I worked for Lucid's CEO, Peter Rawlinson, at Tesla when he was leading Vehicle Engineering many years ago. He would say "Every millimeter counts," so often that it became a running joke. I never knew if Lucid would be a successful company, but I always knew the packaging, dynamics, and overall engineering would be excellent. I hope they can be succesful enough to make some lower cost cars in the future.
Peter Rawlinson's innovation and perfectionism, is easy to admire.... But the real issue is having a design that can be ramped up, in terms of production.... Since as they say, the perfect is the enemy of the good....
Donot forget that the Mercedes EQS and bmwI7 have significantly way more features and customisations compared to all those other EVs including Tesla and lucid
Lucid is awesome. They're just really expensive. The good thing is technology from expensive vehicles usually makes it way down to more affordable vehicles over time.
its not good, you cannot recycle systems while batteyr tech has low longveity from dendrite forming batery degradation mahle was talking about a recycalable cheaper motor , but it needs a transmissions, subaru wrx cvt is high torque. more energy that goes in and out battery worsens degradation, more batery mass exponentially worsens this because weight per energy is high and weight worsens road wear, crash saftey(at least for people outside car assuming the car protects in inside people well), is more expensive and resource costly etc. the limited heavy battery supply can be used to allow a combustion to run optimaly low emissions etc to charg electric drive, which would areduce emissions where it happens most across all cars across the rest of time. the value of lwo emissiosn itself is very questionsable, although its defintly better for human health to a extent... theres a lot to say , but i just wanna expose how obviously pretentious these ev movement people are.
Ok, that differential might be the coolest thing I have ever seen!! Just by changing its position in the driveline, relative to the other gears, it can be a TENTH the size of another vehicle's differential! Whoa!! What incredible *GENIUS* of an engineer came up with that idea! Wow!!
Putting the differential before the gear reduction was amazing. Of course it means you need two sets of gears but the net gain in small differential that can be housed inside the rotor is mindblowing. I always tell people that of all the automakers, new or old, the BEST designs and engineering that are truly blowing me away is Lucid. And not just one thing but so many things. I cant wait to see what they do with the Gravity.
That is something that's often done in off road trucks and earth moving equipment. Only a few times in the past it has been used in a passenger car, and even then most of the speed reduction was before the diff, only some after. In here the diff is right at the motor, which is genius.
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@@willlucas5150 on par with Koenigsegg they also pioneered so many tech designs, esp. for a small company
When the McLaren F1 came out in the early 90s, everyone thought I was mad because the thing that impressed me most wasn't the performance, but the fact that it was smaller and lighter than any competitors, and could carry an extra passenger and a decent amount of luggage.
Riiight...because it was totally a road trip car. The gulf between "hypothetically, you could use it for X" and what anyone ever actually did use it for is enormous.
Lucid is next-level when it comes to first-principles engineering. Hope they survive and drive the industry forward. Long diffuser piece was new to me!
re: "Long diffuser piece was new to me!" indeed, despite having watched tons of reviews on the Lucid, and the car now being "old" of sorts, this is the FIRST i've heard that mentioned. now the laymen reviewers i could see missing that (they know fu*&all about F1, Lemans, etc) but there are numours other tech savvy reviewers who should have caught that.
@@potencjalnypracownik2966 cost is driven by factory design, when you're innovating you're changing the design so just can't afford to optimise the factory that much. It makes sense for automotive innovation to start at the top end.
More Lucid videos! It's such an underappreciated brand that needs to get its name out there. So many people don't even know about Lucid and their amazing underlying packaging, efficiency, and design.
not true everyone know about them. their cars are just way to expensive. the reason people buy Tesla's is good price ranges and charging network. both which lucid doesn't have. Awesome car but terrible plan to enter car market at the highest cost for EV. they are more expensive then the Mercedes one for god sakes. All for a NEW company people don't trust yet. Awesome cars though. hopefully they make it long enough to make some affordable cars. As of now they are bleeding money and cost.
The sound engineer in me REALLY appreciates the fact that you've acoustically treated your garage! You kept the perfect, and I mean PERFECT amount of reverberation for that ambient "garage" sound, without it being an echo chamber (oh, the Lucid is cool, too 😊)
Honestly, not disappointed about the lack of driving; there are plenty of videos about that, but not enough about frunks. This video has made me want a Lucid more than any other video I've seen about it.
I was waiting for the headlight vents to be mentioned. All lights, even LED make heat. It’s a matter of where the heat is generated. It’s impressive that the heat sinks fit the LEDs have their own cooling channel and exhaust vent in the hood! Talk about packaging! I just hope that they survive and flourish as their drivetrain is very impressive.
I think there’s definitely something to that. Being a new company means they’re not tied to any traditions of design (like BMW and Mercedes, for instance) that they need to conform to, and they probably have smaller teams and fewer people to squash innovative ideas.
I never thought a video about packaging would be interesting and yet it is..well done. Agreed about the lazy design, they seem to be thinking "Since people are used to not having a frunk with most ICE engined cars, why bother?"..
I think Jonny Lieberman said some car manufacturers sent surveys out to frunk-buyers and a huge majority never used them despite having them. If true and I'm not misremembering, I wonder why
@@matchsticks4 big thing is I rarely remember I have it until I’m reaching the limit of cargo space, which is already extremely rare in my Model 3. Also, no external handle to open it makes it annoying to do so. Otherwise, Porsche proves they’re useful!
I really hope Lucid survives long term as a company. The cars are expensive, but the engineering in them just seems so much better than any other EV on the market right now.
Their major investor in a middle eastern company. They only produce about 20k vehicles a year and their average car price is 120k. Unless they make major changes, i dont see them surviving.
If they were half the price, they wouldn't be nearly as good, unfortunately. Shrinking components and shoving certain of these technologies into vehicles gets expensive.
This is the first channel that got everything about the Lucid Air GT right on the topics they covered. Normally I have to correct the tuber for what they got wrong, but you nailed everything. I have had mine since Jan. 5th 2023, and love it. I also appreciate the info on the EQS, I have been thinking about checking out the 580 and wasn't aware of that info, especially the front section of the car.
Someone did point out to me that when you're designing a family of cars you're doing a packaging problem on many models at the same time. You want to reuse all the same elements and you want to put everything together in almost the same way to keep costs down. That is going to result in empty spots in some models just because the overall system is engineered to allow e.g. a HUD or a heat pump at that point even if that model will never have it.
Lucid's upcoming 3-row SUV uses the same platform. A new mid-size chassis is coming for a smaller family of vehicles. Lucid is being tight-lipped about any details, but given the CEO's (formerly of Lotus and Jaguar) and chief designer's (ND MX-5) past endevors we assume that family will include a sport coupe.
A lot of it is tooling as well. Most of the development cost of a car is simply designing the manufacturing process so that you can keep build costs down. There’s a lot of comments here complaining about packaging, design, etc. without realizing that if the got everything on their wish list, a Toyota Camry would cost $75,000.
Real reason is BMW etc. want to use same basic body in ICE model production. i4 is same as 420i GC or whatever. Its simple economics. Similar cars build as single platform on single production line with electric , diesel, gasoline and gasoline hybrid drivetrains. Even if some model like diesel is not sold in USA BMW has to think about global markets. Making each one of them perfect from packaging point of view would mean major extra cost. They simply have made calculation and got result where chasing last inch of space makes no financial sense. Until old manufacturers are doing just electric models they will keep on doing this calculation and make compromises. Doing all new model from ground up is basically easier.
Really like these kind of in depth analysis, gives you some things to think about which you may not have considered yet when buying another vehicle. Keep it up👍🏻
In 1959 the Mini was designed, really, with packaging first and foremast. Maximum inside space, minimum outside dimensions. Good handling was a bonus. Well done Lucid. Alec Issigonis would have loved it.
@@jeremyspecce The 2002 had a large trunk (or boot) because it had a lot of rear overhang, like a lot of '60s designs. It was also a very usable space with a flat floor.
As a Design engineer you have gracefully stated my efficiency core values!! Yes, yes and Yes. There are ways to make greatness. But it takes time and thought, but it pays off for years!!! Thanks Jason!!! Well done.
Lucid has great tech. Hope you are going to talk more about it. Lucid has produced some great technical videos about their technology - the latest one is on their inverter.
Reminds ne of the early Tesla Model S (the first model). Leaps and bounds ahread of it's piers, but with initially lackluster sales and software. Here's hoping that Lucid can pull off something similar. (Because we really need more GOOD competitors)
@@leftcoaster67 Hes a former partner of Elon if memory serves me correctly. What I remember for sure is that the entire "LUCID" company and the Air in particular (especially versions like the Sapphire), are basically designed to be gigantic middle fingers to Elon which I just find hilarious. So while theres definitely some "Ego", it's more channeled more professional, less crazy like Elon, more like a normal CEO who happens to have a chip on his shoulder.
If I could afford it, I would buy a Lucid for my personal vehicle and a Rivian R1S for a family hauler, but I can't so I drive a Mazda and a Honda respectively. Its fun to see what can be done, but it would be even more fun if it was packaged in a way that I could also afford it. On a side note... I am curious to see if in wheel hub motors start to become a trend, as that would allow even more design choices for storage and packaging.
Hub motors sound cool but, vastly increase unsprung weight, and are subject to huge G forces when you hit a pot hole. Don't expect to see them. Rivian chose not to go that route, even though they use 4 motors.
My manager just got his Lucid delivered and we went to lunch in it last week. Was a really awesome car with a lot of nifty features, you can really tell they designed it from the ground up for efficiency and didn't just build it off an existing platform. EE is totally right about the leg space in the back seats too... I'm 6'1 and the rear seat fit me better than the back of my friends Silverado 1500 Crew Cab. That was really kind of surreal in a car just a bit larger than my Kia Forte
Another benefit of a frunk that is isolated from the passenger cabin is that odors from items in the frunk don't make it into the cabin. So if you're picking up particularly pungent take-out food, or have something else that you need to transport that you don't want to smell in the cabin, an isolated frunk is a really nice feature.
Outstanding! Your presentations over the years have gotten better and better and they started off from a pretty high level already. This has been my FAVORITE of all your videos. Lucid should give you free stock for all the great PR you just gave them.
This is my favorite kind of content. Learning about an idiosyncratic niche thing from someone unabashedly passionate about it. I also love learning about the design of objects that have a clear and pervasive ethos, so the video is pretty much everything I dig.
Solidly constructed video. Smooth edits, clean, great audio track. Flipped back & forth between 1x & 1.5x and even 1.75x and it was smooth & clear throughout with 1.5x being the ideal for both listening & processing the type & quantity of data being communicated via the way it was in inflection etc. The whole thing makes me.. ..realize just how well Lucid is pushing the envelope, and how much other manufacturers need to push themselves towards doing similar. All around interesting video. Great job! Lucid likely just picked up yet-another customer because of it 👍
I've seen at least five maybe six of the Lucid Air on the road here in Atlanta, and they look phenomenal. I didn't know how aerodynamic they were until this video (thanks Jason!). And the packaging is superb as well.
I hope Lucid paid you for this video because I have never been so well sold on this vehicle as in this video. There is some really impressive engineering/philosophy behind this car that actually helps justify some of that rather large price tag.
I love to see this sort of engineering. These changes really make a difference to the owners lives. Efficiency is important, not just for running costs going into the future but range. I love the frunk on my Model 3, even though its tiny compared to the Lucid Frunk - having any "locked" space up front is very useful (I have cables, tyre kit and sometimes my laptop up there - which leaves the boot all available). I also really like the deep storage well in the boot (or trunk). Agree the differential implementation in the Lucid is super clever. Two slightly smaller motors and no differential would be another way to go (but at the cost of added size / complexity - particularly a second inverter) as you then have torque vectoring without losing energy in brakes but wouldn't be as small.
Let's not forget about all of the negatives of having tight packaging. 1) Devlopment and Validation cycles are significantly longer and more expensive. Especially for a low volume Startup, those are a noticeable penalty. That cost needs to be passed along to the consumer. 2) Redesigns when something goes wrong, or a refresh is necessary is also significantly more challenging. Again, impacting lead time and cost. 3) As said, serviceability is more challenging which will again drive cost to the consumer. 4) Manufacturability is more challenging. Again, more cost. 5) Even minor crashes will result in a large number of components being replaced. Again, more cost. Just look at the recent viral content about the rear-ended Rivian that cost $42k to repair. On a personal note, as someone that has been forced by management to package as tightly as possible, I can tell you it creates a nightmarish work environment. And in this case, when the system didn't function as intended, the entire program had to be scrapped because there wasn't space to fix the issue.
Such a great video that makes me love Lucid! I sure hope they can bring costs down and sales up so that they survive. Their products clearly show a huge amount of care and love and unquestionably amazing vehicles.
Assembly times matter for cost as does development complexity when you are making enough units. This car seems really nice and I appreciate the choices and the work.
I don't know if it will end up being super handy for anyone, but I also appreciate how the trunk opens the full width of the car. Some neat outside-the-box thinking.
You made me realize an interesting question about this car in particular. Is there a safety mechanism in the frunk to release a human being from it? All modern trunks have this or you can simply exit through the back seats.
Yes, there's a button to open the frunk from the inside. In this video, I used a different button because it sets off the alarm when you open it from the inside.
I can’t wait to see more about what you think about this car. I was incredibly lucky to have the opportunity to test drive one and it’s one of the best cars I’ve ever driven.
Looks awesome. Wish they also designed in cornering lights so when you're turning onto a dark street at night you can see to your immediate right or left. My old Nissan Quest had that feature and it was really helpful. My Toyota Sienna does not and it's a feature I really miss.
The engineering is amazing. The problem is the CEO gave himself a very fat paycheck with a company bleeding cash going into a possible recession. Somebody needs to boot the CEO, give the company a cash injection and figure out how to reduce the cost of that car. You also have potential buyers worried about having the company going bankrupt and having a $150K brick in their driveway because they can't get parts or services. Real S show for this company. The engineers really did a fantastic job. Thanks EE
Rawlinson practically *is* Lucid, its his baby. Even if he officially isn't the chief engineer or designer...he basically is. It's like saying Gordon Murray is ruining Gordon Murray Automotive. Not to excuse his paycheck or anything, but the company doesn't exist without him.
@@socialistcynic Rawlinson did not set his bonus rate and is far from overpaid for what he has accomplished in the years running up to production. It's mostly Tesla trolls that winge about his pay, not the owners, not the shareholders.
I own a Tesla Y and love the front trunk but would love it more if it had a plug and cabin air option. Try to put your groceries when it’s 90 degrees outside!
@@ivonakis almost like the engineers took a design intended for a straight 6 or a V8 and didn't rework it at all 🙄. Maybe it was just lazy engineering but I wonder too if manufacturing costs, retooling etc. didn't also play a part in their choices. Like sometimes you see EVs that have a new exterior design but still have a shaft tunnel down the middle of the floor.
@@MLHunt I think you answered the question yourself. They use the same chassis to build an ICE version and an EV version. The i4 is already more expensive than it’s petrol counterparts, optimized packaging surely would drive the price even higher.
Lucid sacrificed ground clearance for efficiency and this very expensive car doesn’t have air suspension. Indeed the ground clearance is so bad Lucid doesn’t disclose it in the spec. Overall the model s is all around technically much more useful at a much better price.
The lighting technology that this car has is extremely awesome. I can't wait to see it in real life! And use it out on the Blue ridge parkway where it's dark enough to need high beams and sometimes too bright to have them! 😮
Matrix style LED lights are common place on European cars. The latest Mercedes tech is still way ahead of what was shown here, with the ability to project information onto the road.
@@jimc4731 It can do things like project warning symbols on the road and pointing out pedestrians. Search for Mercedes digital light to see it in action.
This is why I'm a LCID shareholder. I know they're in a shitty financial position, but their engineering is great and that's ultimately what makes a company successful.
Not really much maintenance, other than tires and windshield washer fluid. In a minor crash, it is similar to an ICE vehicle. In a major crash, most modern cars will be written off.
@@thomasreese2816 Ok , I figured as much 🤔Very difficult and costly to fix any newer car after a major crash as that is how they are designed . Just hope you have a good insurance policy 😉
I've just started watching and heard what you will talk about in. I stopped a video, and smashed a like button. Thank you!!! Finally, someone did a video about it! You are right, LAZY design!
EV is a game changer, in many aspects. The large heat generator up front is missing, so what to do with that space? The large radiator not needed so how should the front now look like? (Tesla don't get it) Cars crash, whether you want to or not, how much to repair? Second hand value? Cars get old, wear out, and people like new shiny stuff, so how much you get in trade in? Nothing? EV may be worthless if a battery cost $17, 000 replace. $40,000 for a side panel? With all this tech, if it can't last 25 years, don't buy.
When it comes to the transmission and differential I wonder what the trade off is with their design. Yes the differential is smaller but you essentially need 2 planetary gear reductions per wheel. Would love a further comparison on this
That's great, but because of tight packaging under-thigh support is reduced. The defuser is starting from the rear seat because of that the battery is slightly raised which reduced the space between the floor and the rear seat
I always wonder how a new company can put a car like this on the market. I work in automotive engineering, i design machinery for car factories. Depending on the machine it can take over a year to go from start to finish on the development and manufacturing of a machine. This is also just one small part of the entire process. Putting a new model on the market is a huge undertaking for even the biggest brands, for a startup brand it should be impossible.
Lucid is not exactly a new car company. They have been supplying the battery systems for Formula E before they started manufacturing passenger vehicles.
For a traditional IC vehicle, this sounds very difficult. For EVs you can create a decent vehicle if you have an experienced team without a lot of infrastructure. However to mass produce, it will be a logistical nightmare. All the parts must be produced by the suppliers in huge quantities right in time so as to avoid having large inventories.
I saw another video where they asked the manufacturer why their car has no frunk despite the space to put one, and the response was that most of their customers don't use it. I agree with you though, seems lazy not to put one anyway.
One other aspect to Lucid’s frunk is that it’s powered. There are buttons inside the car to open/close it as well as the mobile key and key fob. When OEMs say people don’t use it, it’s because the OEM hasn’t made it useable. Lucid’s frunk is big and useable so I use it on my Touring all the time.
@@julianevjourney Another reason not to use the frunk is the high lift height. Compared to the trunk it's a lot higher and people are lazy. Actually that was a bit nasty, as it's simply not ergonomic to lift something heavy that high and then over the front and place it into the trunk. So it's quite understandable when people default to use the trunk when they have something bulky or heavy, leaving the frunk for when they need more storage than what will fit into the trunk.
Color me impressed. I always thought of Lucid as an also-rans, but their vehicle design is very thoughtful. I'm very impressed. I have a Tesla, but now i genuinely want to see more Lucids on the road!
The reason not to have a front trunk is crash structure. If someone puts something big/heavy like golf clubs, tools in the front trunk, it invalidates the crash testing. You can't sufficiently predict all the potential combinations of things that might be in the front trunk during a crash.
Trash excuse. Using this logic the f150 couldn't exist, glove boxes couldnt exist, SUV trunks open to the cabin couldn't exist and the list goes on and on. It's lazy. That's it. Lazy sandbagging on EVs.
@@BeefIngot what do you mean lazy? It a concern. Have you seen a crash test done with a full frunk? How do you know it doesn’t affect crash performance?
@@jondevansky186 How do you know it's effect is significant? why assume one companies lazy design is supirjor to another companies design based on no information?
That's what I figured. If they invented a way to put all the necessary sensors above the windshield or other place besides in the bumper, that would be good engineering. Putting everything in the bumper seems lazy to me.
Great video as always, Jason! I wished these new EV companies weren't making the same mistakes from the late 90s and early 00s when society favored SUVs, and they were extremely expensive for what people actually needed it or wanted in a daily commuter. EVs shouldn't be luxury cars or priced like it since we need to steer away from fossil fuel and make them more available to the people who need them!
Even crappy EVs are substantially more expensive (before subsidies) than IC or hybrid direct counterparts. The main driver is the expensive battery, and batteries wont be cheap, like ever.
@Samus Aran7 I want an EV like Lucids. I currently drive a 2020 Ford Fusion hybrid, and I love how it sips on gas and only needs an oil change once a year.
It's not enough to just build a car with amazing specs. If you can't scale and sell it then you fail. I know someone who ordered one 2 years ago and still hasn't received a call to spec his car let alone when he will be getting it.
Lucid doesn't have that problem. Their problem is demand. Full size expensive luxury cars is a tiny market segment. That being said, it's an amazing product, and I hope they are able to get their next product launched, it's called Gravity, and is a large SUV.
Lucid will need to produce and sell at least 1000 Air vehicles a week, and that's just to break even. I doubt there is enough demand for 1000 $100K vehicles a week. Factories are expensive, factories that are under utilized are even more expensive.
@@jaimehinojosa3865 lol. you completely miss the point. Lucid started production years ago yet they can't produce much and when they do, nobody wants to buy them. Cybertruck hasn't started production yet (later this year). You paid for reservation because waitlist is so massive. That's not deposit.
For the record, the EQS does NOT require tools to open the hood... It requires the key, if your nails are even slightly longer than male, you can do it with those :) But yeah, with the HEPA filter, the EQS has NO space leftover, and it has a very shot and low hood compared to the Lucid :)
Are you kidding me dude? You can literally see the empty space pretending to be stuff covered by plastic. It's just like the i4 but they put a gimmick in the middle to pretend otherwise. very lazy.
Pretty sure bolt lacks a frunk to just be shorter in length. Bolt has spacious cargo space, so good it's used for some fleet purposes and exceeds many cars that are much larger.
To be fair yeah I would only ever buy one second hand so they probably wouldn't care at all what I think. @Q H, @Bobby Moss, but the even the people who do buy brand new will be pissed off in 10 years when their car can't be fixed if they keep everything proprietary and there is nobody willing to fix it, most people I know with a lot of money still don't like being ripped off just because they have money.
Lucid is embarrassing the competition by losing about $100,000 / car. At least Ford is only losing $30,000 / EV. Tesla is making nearly a $10,000 profit / car.
One of the things I love about model S. All the cables, change of clothes, weekend bag, all those kinda necessary things you can have in the frunk, and keep your trunk completely clutter free!
One rarely sees Jason this enthusiastic about the topic of his video. I declared Lucid Air my dream car from the first promotional videos I saw. Everything I learn about the car only reinforces that.
“No production vehicle currently sold in America uses less energy on the highway to travel a certain distance than this” - genuinely curious: does that include all motorcycles too?
I worked for Lucid's CEO, Peter Rawlinson, at Tesla when he was leading Vehicle Engineering many years ago. He would say "Every millimeter counts," so often that it became a running joke. I never knew if Lucid would be a successful company, but I always knew the packaging, dynamics, and overall engineering would be excellent. I hope they can be succesful enough to make some lower cost cars in the future.
So when will we see your off-road Lucid?
If you’re still close with the CEO I’d pay to watch you interview him!!
^see guys, SF Matt gets it...^
@@davidb6576 The Gravity is part of LUCID's range expansion.
Much like your $39,000ish CyberTruck.
Peter Rawlinson's innovation and perfectionism, is easy to admire.... But the real issue is having a design that can be ramped up, in terms of production....
Since as they say, the perfect is the enemy of the good....
As a mechanic I can assure you, manufacturers DO NOT CARE about ease of maintenance. They don’t have frunks because they are lazy.
I assure you, they do care about maintenance.. they care about making it difficult lol
I third this statement
As an engineer I call tell you it's not laziness. The "Marketing Scums" call the shots. You have to "build to cost"
Well noted, this wasn't mentioned in the video at all!
Donot forget that the Mercedes EQS and bmwI7 have significantly way more features and customisations compared to all those other EVs including Tesla and lucid
Lucid is awesome. They're just really expensive. The good thing is technology from expensive vehicles usually makes it way down to more affordable vehicles over time.
I hope so. I feel like there's so much left on the table nowadays. (As Lucid demonstrates)
They'll survive. Infinite Saudi funding lol. They just wild with money.
Obviously? Wtf?
its not good, you cannot recycle systems while batteyr tech has low longveity from dendrite forming batery degradation mahle was talking about a recycalable cheaper motor , but it needs a transmissions, subaru wrx cvt is high torque. more energy that goes in and out battery worsens degradation, more batery mass exponentially worsens this because weight per energy is high and weight worsens road wear, crash saftey(at least for people outside car assuming the car protects in inside people well), is more expensive and resource costly etc. the limited heavy battery supply can be used to allow a combustion to run optimaly low emissions etc to charg electric drive, which would areduce emissions where it happens most across all cars across the rest of time. the value of lwo emissiosn itself is very questionsable, although its defintly better for human health to a extent... theres a lot to say , but i just wanna expose how obviously pretentious these ev movement people are.
More affordable but repair costs even more than a Bentley
You call this boring, and then proceed to make one of your most interesting videos so far. Packaging is fascinating and this is super cool
Ok, that differential might be the coolest thing I have ever seen!! Just by changing its position in the driveline, relative to the other gears, it can be a TENTH the size of another vehicle's differential! Whoa!! What incredible *GENIUS* of an engineer came up with that idea! Wow!!
Putting the differential before the gear reduction was amazing. Of course it means you need two sets of gears but the net gain in small differential that can be housed inside the rotor is mindblowing. I always tell people that of all the automakers, new or old, the BEST designs and engineering that are truly blowing me away is Lucid. And not just one thing but so many things. I cant wait to see what they do with the Gravity.
That is something that's often done in off road trucks and earth moving equipment. Only a few times in the past it has been used in a passenger car, and even then most of the speed reduction was before the diff, only some after. In here the diff is right at the motor, which is genius.
@@willlucas5150 on par with Koenigsegg they also pioneered so many tech designs, esp. for a small company
There's going to be a part two right? Right?????
Lucid has a tonne of wicked engineering and I hope you can review more of it, great job!
Pleeeeeeze!
When the McLaren F1 came out in the early 90s, everyone thought I was mad because the thing that impressed me most wasn't the performance, but the fact that it was smaller and lighter than any competitors, and could carry an extra passenger and a decent amount of luggage.
Riiight...because it was totally a road trip car. The gulf between "hypothetically, you could use it for X" and what anyone ever actually did use it for is enormous.
@@aluisious No, the owners actually used their F1s plenty until they became so valuable that it was a financial risk to drive it.
Absolutely innovative with the 3 seats. But it wasn't about carrying more people. It was about CoG and symmetry of handling dynamics.
@@ultimatist It saved having LHD and RHD versions - probably more relevant to build costs than handling dynamics in a road car
@@aluisious Jesus, that isn't even close to what he said, you psychopath
Lucid is next-level when it comes to first-principles engineering. Hope they survive and drive the industry forward. Long diffuser piece was new to me!
First principles starts with the COST. Lucid is artisian making best product not thinking about the cost at all.
re: "Long diffuser piece was new to me!" indeed, despite having watched tons of reviews on the Lucid, and the car now being "old" of sorts, this is the FIRST i've heard that mentioned. now the laymen reviewers i could see missing that (they know fu*&all about F1, Lemans, etc) but there are numours other tech savvy reviewers who should have caught that.
@@potencjalnypracownik2966 cost is driven by factory design, when you're innovating you're changing the design so just can't afford to optimise the factory that much. It makes sense for automotive innovation to start at the top end.
More Lucid videos! It's such an underappreciated brand that needs to get its name out there. So many people don't even know about Lucid and their amazing underlying packaging, efficiency, and design.
Fully agree! I didn’t know about their efficient packaging.
not true everyone know about them. their cars are just way to expensive. the reason people buy Tesla's is good price ranges and charging network. both which lucid doesn't have. Awesome car but terrible plan to enter car market at the highest cost for EV. they are more expensive then the Mercedes one for god sakes. All for a NEW company people don't trust yet. Awesome cars though. hopefully they make it long enough to make some affordable cars. As of now they are bleeding money and cost.
The only thing people need to know about Lucid is that Prince Bonesaw is the majority owner.
The sound engineer in me REALLY appreciates the fact that you've acoustically treated your garage! You kept the perfect, and I mean PERFECT amount of reverberation for that ambient "garage" sound, without it being an echo chamber (oh, the Lucid is cool, too 😊)
It’s a regular freaking garage. The clean sound just comes from a good mic and post processing..
Honestly, not disappointed about the lack of driving; there are plenty of videos about that, but not enough about frunks. This video has made me want a Lucid more than any other video I've seen about it.
I was waiting for the headlight vents to be mentioned. All lights, even LED make heat. It’s a matter of where the heat is generated. It’s impressive that the heat sinks fit the LEDs have their own cooling channel and exhaust vent in the hood! Talk about packaging! I just hope that they survive and flourish as their drivetrain is very impressive.
Lucid embarrasses the competition in everything but sales. Sales is where it matters. The big question is, will Lucid survive?
It’s a great point, I hope they do! Traditional automakers can learn a lot from their approach.
Infinite Saudi money backing so yes. They just got another 3 billion. Saudi Aramco is doing fine so Saudis have billions to play with.
It's ugly.
Who needs sales when you have profit margins
Are you sure it's a sales issue? Can Lucid even produce several thousand vehicles a week to be profitable?
It's amazing to me how Lucid designed this car better than more known & established car companies
I think there’s definitely something to that. Being a new company means they’re not tied to any traditions of design (like BMW and Mercedes, for instance) that they need to conform to, and they probably have smaller teams and fewer people to squash innovative ideas.
Not that much better. It is expensive car where you don't have easy access to its parts.
its because alot of the Lucid engineers are the former tesla execs that originally came from lotus when tesla asked them for help in their baby steps
Take a look NEVS Emily GT that car was designed in 10 month and for sure has designed really well also very good packaging.
@@mr.wizeguy8995 In-wheel motors will be failure point, also bad for suspension.
I agree and believe you have a valid argument as competition brings innovations and higher standards
I never thought a video about packaging would be interesting and yet it is..well done. Agreed about the lazy design, they seem to be thinking "Since people are used to not having a frunk with most ICE engined cars, why bother?"..
Same thing I was going to write, differential engineering starting from an ICE, they are afraid of shocking people with too much novelty
Middle management present it as a cost and resource saving measure to higher management and then get promoted for it
Boxter had this nearly 30 years ago in a tiny 2 seater chassis.
I think Jonny Lieberman said some car manufacturers sent surveys out to frunk-buyers and a huge majority never used them despite having them. If true and I'm not misremembering, I wonder why
@@matchsticks4 big thing is I rarely remember I have it until I’m reaching the limit of cargo space, which is already extremely rare in my Model 3. Also, no external handle to open it makes it annoying to do so. Otherwise, Porsche proves they’re useful!
I really hope Lucid survives long term as a company. The cars are expensive, but the engineering in them just seems so much better than any other EV on the market right now.
If they dont survive then it will just be a good example that EV's dont have a sustainable future
Their major investor in a middle eastern company. They only produce about 20k vehicles a year and their average car price is 120k. Unless they make major changes, i dont see them surviving.
@@Jsebas289 Tesla fanboy hate.
@@heathwirt8919 sorry if my comment offended you. I was just putting some facts about the company out there.
@@Jsebas289 You were just regurgitating the usual Tesla fanboy BS. No apology necessary.
I love it. Wish they were half that absurd price
You expect them to sell it for $23,000?
@@samusaran7317 Their cheapest car is $87,400, $23,000 is a lot less than half of that. The comment you replied to said half.
In about a decade you won't even be allowed to personally own a vehicle. Governments across world are throttling down on that.
If they were half the price, they wouldn't be nearly as good, unfortunately. Shrinking components and shoving certain of these technologies into vehicles gets expensive.
@@samusaran7317 in what world is a lucid air 46k lmao
This is the first channel that got everything about the Lucid Air GT right on the topics they covered. Normally I have to correct the tuber for what they got wrong, but you nailed everything. I have had mine since Jan. 5th 2023, and love it. I also appreciate the info on the EQS, I have been thinking about checking out the 580 and wasn't aware of that info, especially the front section of the car.
Thanks. Lucid certainly can use your help right now.
Someone did point out to me that when you're designing a family of cars you're doing a packaging problem on many models at the same time. You want to reuse all the same elements and you want to put everything together in almost the same way to keep costs down. That is going to result in empty spots in some models just because the overall system is engineered to allow e.g. a HUD or a heat pump at that point even if that model will never have it.
Lucid's upcoming 3-row SUV uses the same platform. A new mid-size chassis is coming for a smaller family of vehicles. Lucid is being tight-lipped about any details, but given the CEO's (formerly of Lotus and Jaguar) and chief designer's (ND MX-5) past endevors we assume that family will include a sport coupe.
You can simplify your explanation to, cheap and lazy!
A lot of it is tooling as well. Most of the development cost of a car is simply designing the manufacturing process so that you can keep build costs down. There’s a lot of comments here complaining about packaging, design, etc. without realizing that if the got everything on their wish list, a Toyota Camry would cost $75,000.
@@mcspikesky laziness is a silly thing to accuse car companies of, especially successful ones. Cheapness , on the other hand, exactly what we want.
Real reason is BMW etc. want to use same basic body in ICE model production. i4 is same as 420i GC or whatever. Its simple economics. Similar cars build as single platform on single production line with electric , diesel, gasoline and gasoline hybrid drivetrains. Even if some model like diesel is not sold in USA BMW has to think about global markets. Making each one of them perfect from packaging point of view would mean major extra cost. They simply have made calculation and got result where chasing last inch of space makes no financial sense. Until old manufacturers are doing just electric models they will keep on doing this calculation and make compromises. Doing all new model from ground up is basically easier.
Really like these kind of in depth analysis, gives you some things to think about which you may not have considered yet when buying another vehicle. Keep it up👍🏻
In 1959 the Mini was designed, really, with packaging first and foremast. Maximum inside space, minimum outside dimensions. Good handling was a bonus. Well done Lucid. Alec Issigonis would have loved it.
The BMW 2002 was another great example of this: TINY car by today’s standards but it had a large trunk and fit four adults comfortably.
@@jeremyspecce The 2002 had a large trunk (or boot) because it had a lot of rear overhang, like a lot of '60s designs. It was also a very usable space with a flat floor.
Came back just leave a comment: nice perks and important aspects of comfort, I agree with you. Thank you for sharing!
As a Design engineer you have gracefully stated my efficiency core values!!
Yes, yes and Yes. There are ways to make greatness. But it takes time and thought, but it pays off for years!!!
Thanks Jason!!! Well done.
Lucid has great tech. Hope you are going to talk more about it. Lucid has produced some great technical videos about their technology - the latest one is on their inverter.
Reminds ne of the early Tesla Model S (the first model). Leaps and bounds ahread of it's piers, but with initially lackluster sales and software. Here's hoping that Lucid can pull off something similar. (Because we really need more GOOD competitors)
Hopefully a less egotistical CEO.
@@leftcoaster67 Lucid gives you even more of that flavor 😂
@@leftcoaster67 Compared to other billionaires hes actually not that bad
@@leftcoaster67 Hes a former partner of Elon if memory serves me correctly. What I remember for sure is that the entire "LUCID" company and the Air in particular (especially versions like the Sapphire), are basically designed to be gigantic middle fingers to Elon which I just find hilarious. So while theres definitely some "Ego", it's more channeled more professional, less crazy like Elon, more like a normal CEO who happens to have a chip on his shoulder.
I think he meant a less egotistical CEO than Tesla has
If I could afford it, I would buy a Lucid for my personal vehicle and a Rivian R1S for a family hauler, but I can't so I drive a Mazda and a Honda respectively. Its fun to see what can be done, but it would be even more fun if it was packaged in a way that I could also afford it.
On a side note... I am curious to see if in wheel hub motors start to become a trend, as that would allow even more design choices for storage and packaging.
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Hub motors sound cool but, vastly increase unsprung weight, and are subject to huge G forces when you hit a pot hole. Don't expect to see them. Rivian chose not to go that route, even though they use 4 motors.
Excellent Vid and I agree with your premise that packaging is important.
My manager just got his Lucid delivered and we went to lunch in it last week. Was a really awesome car with a lot of nifty features, you can really tell they designed it from the ground up for efficiency and didn't just build it off an existing platform.
EE is totally right about the leg space in the back seats too... I'm 6'1 and the rear seat fit me better than the back of my friends Silverado 1500 Crew Cab. That was really kind of surreal in a car just a bit larger than my Kia Forte
How's the headroom and under-thigh support?
Another benefit of a frunk that is isolated from the passenger cabin is that odors from items in the frunk don't make it into the cabin. So if you're picking up particularly pungent take-out food, or have something else that you need to transport that you don't want to smell in the cabin, an isolated frunk is a really nice feature.
But the air filter is directly behind where you would put that food.
So the smells will be blown into your face.
the 200k ev market competition is fierce
Outstanding! Your presentations over the years have gotten better and better and they started off from a pretty high level already. This has been my FAVORITE of all your videos. Lucid should give you free stock for all the great PR you just gave them.
Brilliant analysis! I like how you uncovered design trade offs that no one else has ever reported.
AWESOME content and great humor, as always!
Totally agree, more attention to packaging can make cars much better.
Those headlights are awesome.
😂😂😂
This is my favorite kind of content. Learning about an idiosyncratic niche thing from someone unabashedly passionate about it. I also love learning about the design of objects that have a clear and pervasive ethos, so the video is pretty much everything I dig.
Really enjoyed this video and your take on electric vehicle packaging!
Solidly constructed video. Smooth edits, clean, great audio track. Flipped back & forth between 1x & 1.5x and even 1.75x and it was smooth & clear throughout with 1.5x being the ideal for both listening & processing the type & quantity of data being communicated via the way it was in inflection etc.
The whole thing makes me.. ..realize just how well Lucid is pushing the envelope, and how much other manufacturers need to push themselves towards doing similar.
All around interesting video. Great job! Lucid likely just picked up yet-another customer because of it 👍
I've seen at least five maybe six of the Lucid Air on the road here in Atlanta, and they look phenomenal. I didn't know how aerodynamic they were until this video (thanks Jason!). And the packaging is superb as well.
I hope Lucid paid you for this video because I have never been so well sold on this vehicle as in this video. There is some really impressive engineering/philosophy behind this car that actually helps justify some of that rather large price tag.
I love to see this sort of engineering. These changes really make a difference to the owners lives. Efficiency is important, not just for running costs going into the future but range. I love the frunk on my Model 3, even though its tiny compared to the Lucid Frunk - having any "locked" space up front is very useful (I have cables, tyre kit and sometimes my laptop up there - which leaves the boot all available). I also really like the deep storage well in the boot (or trunk). Agree the differential implementation in the Lucid is super clever. Two slightly smaller motors and no differential would be another way to go (but at the cost of added size / complexity - particularly a second inverter) as you then have torque vectoring without losing energy in brakes but wouldn't be as small.
Let's not forget about all of the negatives of having tight packaging.
1) Devlopment and Validation cycles are significantly longer and more expensive. Especially for a low volume Startup, those are a noticeable penalty. That cost needs to be passed along to the consumer.
2) Redesigns when something goes wrong, or a refresh is necessary is also significantly more challenging. Again, impacting lead time and cost.
3) As said, serviceability is more challenging which will again drive cost to the consumer.
4) Manufacturability is more challenging. Again, more cost.
5) Even minor crashes will result in a large number of components being replaced. Again, more cost. Just look at the recent viral content about the rear-ended Rivian that cost $42k to repair.
On a personal note, as someone that has been forced by management to package as tightly as possible, I can tell you it creates a nightmarish work environment. And in this case, when the system didn't function as intended, the entire program had to be scrapped because there wasn't space to fix the issue.
Such a great video that makes me love Lucid! I sure hope they can bring costs down and sales up so that they survive. Their products clearly show a huge amount of care and love and unquestionably amazing vehicles.
Assembly times matter for cost as does development complexity when you are making enough units. This car seems really nice and I appreciate the choices and the work.
I don't know if it will end up being super handy for anyone, but I also appreciate how the trunk opens the full width of the car. Some neat outside-the-box thinking.
Take a look at the 1960's BMW 1600/2002.
You made me realize an interesting question about this car in particular. Is there a safety mechanism in the frunk to release a human being from it? All modern trunks have this or you can simply exit through the back seats.
Yes, there's a button to open the frunk from the inside. In this video, I used a different button because it sets off the alarm when you open it from the inside.
Yes all EVs with frunks have to have a release button on the inside.
@@EngineeringExplained so it alerts you when they escape?! Excellent.
This is a thing only in USA. In other places people just don't shut themselves in a trunk perhaps.
@@ThEvilsTeam dumbass comment
I can’t wait to see more about what you think about this car. I was incredibly lucky to have the opportunity to test drive one and it’s one of the best cars I’ve ever driven.
Truly this brand has been my favorite to explain to people, love the video!!!
I love your detail on this; something greatly overlooked yet customers interact with all the time!
Great video with articulate presentation regarding the car, hopefully Lucid can sell more than 5000 vehicle next year
Looks awesome. Wish they also designed in cornering lights so when you're turning onto a dark street at night you can see to your immediate right or left. My old Nissan Quest had that feature and it was really helpful. My Toyota Sienna does not and it's a feature I really miss.
The engineering is amazing. The problem is the CEO gave himself a very fat paycheck with a company bleeding cash going into a possible recession. Somebody needs to boot the CEO, give the company a cash injection and figure out how to reduce the cost of that car. You also have potential buyers worried about having the company going bankrupt and having a $150K brick in their driveway because they can't get parts or services. Real S show for this company. The engineers really did a fantastic job. Thanks EE
Rawlinson practically *is* Lucid, its his baby. Even if he officially isn't the chief engineer or designer...he basically is.
It's like saying Gordon Murray is ruining Gordon Murray Automotive.
Not to excuse his paycheck or anything, but the company doesn't exist without him.
@@socialistcynic Rawlinson did not set his bonus rate and is far from overpaid for what he has accomplished in the years running up to production. It's mostly Tesla trolls that winge about his pay, not the owners, not the shareholders.
Rawlinson is the reason the company can exist. That's why he earns a lot of money.
Such a good presentation, bravo!
I own a Tesla Y and love the front trunk but would love it more if it had a plug and cabin air option. Try to put your groceries when it’s 90 degrees outside!
Putting that roll-on bag in the front bay of the BMW was kinda embarrassing
There was enough space for straight 6
I know. BMWs are embarrassing
@@ivonakis almost like the engineers took a design intended for a straight 6 or a V8 and didn't rework it at all 🙄. Maybe it was just lazy engineering but I wonder too if manufacturing costs, retooling etc. didn't also play a part in their choices. Like sometimes you see EVs that have a new exterior design but still have a shaft tunnel down the middle of the floor.
the bmw 4 series can be configured with a petrol engine OR electric drivetrain. Therefor the EV version isn’t packaged well, at all.
@@MLHunt I think you answered the question yourself. They use the same chassis to build an ICE version and an EV version. The i4 is already more expensive than it’s petrol counterparts, optimized packaging surely would drive the price even higher.
7:07 Having your legs bent that much because of the low seat height is not comfortable in the slightest...
Lucid sacrificed ground clearance for efficiency and this very expensive car doesn’t have air suspension. Indeed the ground clearance is so bad Lucid doesn’t disclose it in the spec. Overall the model s is all around technically much more useful at a much better price.
absolutely outstanding! Do another video on the other aspects of the car such as power and efficiency number.
Excellent presentation. Subscribed.
Hopefully there's a part 2 on how it drives
The lighting technology that this car has is extremely awesome. I can't wait to see it in real life! And use it out on the Blue ridge parkway where it's dark enough to need high beams and sometimes too bright to have them! 😮
Matrix style LED lights are common place on European cars. The latest Mercedes tech is still way ahead of what was shown here, with the ability to project information onto the road.
@@Xenon0000000000001 What information, if you please?
JIM
@@jimc4731 It can do things like project warning symbols on the road and pointing out pedestrians. Search for Mercedes digital light to see it in action.
Clever packaging is an art form. Grats Lucid!
Smaller vehicles or even the litest Model 3 were rated at 140 to 150 mpge on highway such as PHEVs. Some are no longer made so it's a technicality.
This lecture was really great!
This is an exciting car, please do a more in-depth review of the motor you mentioned and a driving/handling review as well.
This is why I'm a LCID shareholder. I know they're in a shitty financial position, but their engineering is great and that's ultimately what makes a company successful.
Looks like the design team is talking to the engineering team on this one , that is refreshing 😎 Is maintenance access not so much an issue with Ev'S?
Not really much maintenance, other than tires and windshield washer fluid. In a minor crash, it is similar to an ICE vehicle. In a major crash, most modern cars will be written off.
@@thomasreese2816 Ok , I figured as much 🤔Very difficult and costly to fix any newer car after a major crash as that is how they are designed . Just hope you have a good insurance policy 😉
I've just started watching and heard what you will talk about in. I stopped a video, and smashed a like button. Thank you!!! Finally, someone did a video about it! You are right, LAZY design!
EV is a game changer, in many aspects. The large heat generator up front is missing, so what to do with that space? The large radiator not needed so how should the front now look like? (Tesla don't get it)
Cars crash, whether you want to or not, how much to repair?
Second hand value? Cars get old, wear out, and people like new shiny stuff, so how much you get in trade in? Nothing? EV may be worthless if a battery cost $17, 000 replace.
$40,000 for a side panel?
With all this tech, if it can't last 25 years, don't buy.
When it comes to the transmission and differential I wonder what the trade off is with their design. Yes the differential is smaller but you essentially need 2 planetary gear reductions per wheel. Would love a further comparison on this
Smaller also means higher force per surface, so it needs to be higher quality = more expensive. Or more prone to damage.
We’ll done Jason and your team. Impressive EV design. I saw my first one on the street this week. Looks amazing too. (BTW, I’m a Tesla fanboy).
The engineering that has gone into Lucid's vehicles is truly impressive. I only hope they can figure out how to survive.
Outstanding and informative video!! Bravo! Lucid is truly head and shoulders ahead of the EV competition 😍😍
I found your channel recently. I am enjoying the videos! Great realistic approach and delivery of all subjects. Thank you!
That's great, but because of tight packaging under-thigh support is reduced. The defuser is starting from the rear seat because of that the battery is slightly raised which reduced the space between the floor and the rear seat
I always wonder how a new company can put a car like this on the market. I work in automotive engineering, i design machinery for car factories. Depending on the machine it can take over a year to go from start to finish on the development and manufacturing of a machine. This is also just one small part of the entire process. Putting a new model on the market is a huge undertaking for even the biggest brands, for a startup brand it should be impossible.
so, this is why most small brands start with low series luxury or sport cars.
lucid got ltoof support from middle east oil money
Lucid is not exactly a new car company. They have been supplying the battery systems for Formula E before they started manufacturing passenger vehicles.
This was a multi-year effort, but COVID impacted parts availability. The car was previewed years ago.
For a traditional IC vehicle, this sounds very difficult. For EVs you can create a decent vehicle if you have an experienced team without a lot of infrastructure. However to mass produce, it will be a logistical nightmare. All the parts must be produced by the suppliers in huge quantities right in time so as to avoid having large inventories.
I saw another video where they asked the manufacturer why their car has no frunk despite the space to put one, and the response was that most of their customers don't use it. I agree with you though, seems lazy not to put one anyway.
One other aspect to Lucid’s frunk is that it’s powered. There are buttons inside the car to open/close it as well as the mobile key and key fob. When OEMs say people don’t use it, it’s because the OEM hasn’t made it useable. Lucid’s frunk is big and useable so I use it on my Touring all the time.
Yeah it seems lazy not to include extra storage space when supposedly many people have migrated to SUVs for extra storage space.
@@julianevjourney Another reason not to use the frunk is the high lift height. Compared to the trunk it's a lot higher and people are lazy. Actually that was a bit nasty, as it's simply not ergonomic to lift something heavy that high and then over the front and place it into the trunk. So it's quite understandable when people default to use the trunk when they have something bulky or heavy, leaving the frunk for when they need more storage than what will fit into the trunk.
because: 911 ENVY.
Color me impressed. I always thought of Lucid as an also-rans, but their vehicle design is very thoughtful. I'm very impressed. I have a Tesla, but now i genuinely want to see more Lucids on the road!
Jason I am glad you made this video. Lucid has great engineering.
The reason not to have a front trunk is crash structure. If someone puts something big/heavy like golf clubs, tools in the front trunk, it invalidates the crash testing. You can't sufficiently predict all the potential combinations of things that might be in the front trunk during a crash.
Trash excuse. Using this logic the f150 couldn't exist, glove boxes couldnt exist, SUV trunks open to the cabin couldn't exist and the list goes on and on. It's lazy. That's it. Lazy sandbagging on EVs.
@@BeefIngot what do you mean lazy? It a concern. Have you seen a crash test done with a full frunk? How do you know it doesn’t affect crash performance?
@@jondevansky186 How do you know it's effect is significant? why assume one companies lazy design is supirjor to another companies design based on no information?
Even though I live in the US, I have to say that "bonnet" is preferable to "frunk". 🙂
Well, in the UK the trunk is called the boot. So a frunk is a froot/fruit!
@@milesarcher. just so I'm not mistaken... bonnet is at front of car, boot is in rear. Correct? Thanks!
@@michaelogden5958 Correct.
@El Cactuar true. but 'frunk'? even a silly acronym like FSA (Forward Storage Area) beats 'frunk'. 😄
Engineering-wise, is it easier and cheaper to fix for a front fender bender?
With as many sensors as this car has in the front fender, a front impact could be devistating.
That's what I figured. If they invented a way to put all the necessary sensors above the windshield or other place besides in the bumper, that would be good engineering. Putting everything in the bumper seems lazy to me.
You're definitely in my top 2 UA-camrs. I love your videos
Great intro to Lucid. Love your stuff as always. When is the review on performance/handling/efficiency and electromechanical engineering coming?
Great video as always, Jason! I wished these new EV companies weren't making the same mistakes from the late 90s and early 00s when society favored SUVs, and they were extremely expensive for what people actually needed it or wanted in a daily commuter. EVs shouldn't be luxury cars or priced like it since we need to steer away from fossil fuel and make them more available to the people who need them!
Even crappy EVs are substantially more expensive (before subsidies) than IC or hybrid direct counterparts. The main driver is the expensive battery, and batteries wont be cheap, like ever.
@@AlldaylongRock Have fun with oil changes, brake pads and overpriced fuel.
@@samusaran7317 an oil change takes a couple of minutes. As for overpriced fuel, thank the ridiculous tax burden, used to subsidize EVs!
@Samus Aran7 I want an EV like Lucids. I currently drive a 2020 Ford Fusion hybrid, and I love how it sips on gas and only needs an oil change once a year.
@@AlldaylongRock Stockholm syndrome.
It's not enough to just build a car with amazing specs. If you can't scale and sell it then you fail. I know someone who ordered one 2 years ago and still hasn't received a call to spec his car let alone when he will be getting it.
Lucid doesn't have that problem. Their problem is demand. Full size expensive luxury cars is a tiny market segment. That being said, it's an amazing product, and I hope they are able to get their next product launched, it's called Gravity, and is a large SUV.
Lucid will need to produce and sell at least 1000 Air vehicles a week, and that's just to break even. I doubt there is enough demand for 1000 $100K vehicles a week. Factories are expensive, factories that are under utilized are even more expensive.
@@carljaekle large SUVs are not what we actually need. They are nonsense in most cases.
I'm still waiting on my Tesla Cybertruck. Put a deposit down in October 2021...
@@jaimehinojosa3865 lol. you completely miss the point. Lucid started production years ago yet they can't produce much and when they do, nobody wants to buy them. Cybertruck hasn't started production yet (later this year). You paid for reservation because waitlist is so massive. That's not deposit.
For the record, the EQS does NOT require tools to open the hood... It requires the key, if your nails are even slightly longer than male, you can do it with those :) But yeah, with the HEPA filter, the EQS has NO space leftover, and it has a very shot and low hood compared to the Lucid :)
Are you kidding me dude? You can literally see the empty space pretending to be stuff covered by plastic. It's just like the i4 but they put a gimmick in the middle to pretend otherwise. very lazy.
Thanks for the show & tell...but 2 things...what's it like to drive...and how much will it cost...?
Pretty sure bolt lacks a frunk to just be shorter in length. Bolt has spacious cargo space, so good it's used for some fleet purposes and exceeds many cars that are much larger.
The car looks awesome, but I would want to know lucids right to repair stance before I ever looked at one seriously
If you ask about "right to repair" then you are not their target customer.
People who buy cars at this price point don't fix their own cars.
To be fair yeah I would only ever buy one second hand so they probably wouldn't care at all what I think. @Q H, @Bobby Moss, but the even the people who do buy brand new will be pissed off in 10 years when their car can't be fixed if they keep everything proprietary and there is nobody willing to fix it, most people I know with a lot of money still don't like being ripped off just because they have money.
I want to put those tiny motors in a tiny sports car.
Lucid is embarrassing the competition by losing about $100,000 / car. At least Ford is only losing $30,000 / EV. Tesla is making nearly a $10,000 profit / car.
I think it's closer to $200K per car
The Lightning has a nice big battery. Not sure how long it’d last if you integrate it into home EV.
@@coolranch1660 Yes, actually I think you're right.
Well, I'm glad the algorithm brought you back to my feed, I haven't seen you in a couple of years.
Isn't there a theory that the crash structure could be compromised by possibly having a heavy cargo in your huge frunk?
Nice point!
I could see that if you place paver bricks in front, or rebar. I think it's best to place soft stuff up front
Meh... Most cars on the road will probably always have something much bigger and heavier in the front that EVs with frunk..
@@rkan2 except that those cars are designed to handle a crash with the bigger and heavier item in the front :).
@@dongidongi Munro Live on YT does communication/teaching on how modern crash structures are designed. I love that channel.
One of the things I love about model S. All the cables, change of clothes, weekend bag, all those kinda necessary things you can have in the frunk, and keep your trunk completely clutter free!
One rarely sees Jason this enthusiastic about the topic of his video.
I declared Lucid Air my dream car from the first promotional videos I saw. Everything I learn about the car only reinforces that.
I hope we see more videos on this car. I’m truly interested in how it’s motors work.
packaging is really fun!! My honda is weird in that the tank is under the front seat, and the rear suspension was optimized for cargo space.
“No production vehicle currently sold in America uses less energy on the highway to travel a certain distance than this” - genuinely curious: does that include all motorcycles too?