Lucid Sapphire Smashes Tesla Plaid's Acceleration - 2 Jasons 1 Car
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- Опубліковано 2 лис 2023
- The Lucid Air Sapphire Beats The Tesla Model S Plaid Hands Down
Jason Cammisa joins Jason Fenske for a drive in the Lucid Air Sapphire!
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When MotorTrend tested the Model S Plaid in 2021, they broke all production car records. 0-60 in 1.98 seconds - with a long list of unique variables, including a prepared surface with VHT (glue), and deleting the first foot of rollout. Astonishingly, the Lucid can match that number, on a public road! The Lucid Air Sapphire's acceleration is certifiably bonkers.
Jason Fenske and Jason Cammisa will talk through the various systems that make this car possible, and how it achieves such insane results. Questions covered include:
1). Why is the 1,234 HP Lucid so much faster than the 1,111 HP Lucid?
2). Why is the Lucid's 0-60 time (acceleration) faster than its 60-0 time (braking)?
3). Why are the fastest EVs the heaviest EVs?
4). What is your favorite thing about the Lucid Air Sapphire?
5). What is your biggest complaint of the Lucid Air Sapphire?
6). Is the Lucid Air Sapphire worth $250k, especially considering the Tesla Model S Plaid is $90k?
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**Full disclosure** - this episode happened mostly by coincidence; we both happened to be at the same event, and for road drives you typically need a driving parter (not enough cars for every outlet to have their own), so Jason agreed to be in the video. That said, I'd love to get your honest feedback on it. *If* coincidentally we are are at future events together, I'm happy to try and make it happen again, if folks like the format. What would you want to see happen differently next time? And to those who watch the whole video, you the MVP, thanks!!
You'd make a great insurance salemsan!
Absolutely loved this episode with 2 Jasons! Usually watch Camissa for the drama and flair, but was cool to see him get into the nerdy details. Don’t think I would change a thing.
Great chemistry Jason! I'd suggest happenstance over coincidence!
Loveee the banter between you two. More please!!
🤣🤣🤣@@kennethyan4066
Q: What's the only thing better than the 2JZ?
A: The 2JSons
Seriously, you two work really well together. You both should consider making content together more regularly.
Well that was creative 😂
Underrated comment right there
Maybe even make adult content together, I would pay BIIIIIIIIG bucks.
No please, the insurance sales guy was clueless and annoying.
For real though!
The Jasons have great chemistry. I would genuinely enjoy a car review channel with the two of them on a regular basis. 😂
But in addition, not instead of regular content!
This is exactly what I came here to say. Just finished watching this video, and the one thing I learned: I need a Jason^2 channel!
@@TheDarkFalcon don't be greedy
Make it happen!
I have to agree 100% with all the other commentors, that the two of you together is amazing, I love Jason's Hagerty stuff, how he blends humor with education, and I love Jason's Engineering Explained videos for the nerdy side of learning how things work. Definitely would love to see you both do another collaboration together and see if it works out the same. Always good to have two educated guys discuss a subject and see where it goes.
You need to have Jason on for the car videos more often. You are great together.
Thanks, happy to hear it! Will try my best to see if we can make it happen again!
Yes, also if you two tooted at the exact same time it would combine forces and be very powerful.
Can we get back to engineering now?
@@tommyh.8391 Why reply to me with this?
Only if the second Jason can stand him
Good chemistry and excellent self deprecation between these two. If they joined up for a series I'd watch it for sure.
Yes! 'you sell car insurance 😂' 'people don't think you're that smart' Savage
MORE!MORE!MORE!!!
I follow both youtube channels and I follow Jason (I'll let you guess which one) on social media. Very solid content from both.
Yep, and get Randy Pobst to be their tame racing driver, and Dave Coleman as their nerd in charge.
I would listen to these guys for a very very long time. DO MORE!
A great conversation between two great men. I’m really astonished at the moment by the fact that how the Internet can eliminate or has eliminated all the (physical, geographical, political, … any type of) barriers to information flow between humans so that I can sit down on my chair at home in the other corner of the world enjoying this fantastically brilliant dialogue about engineering stuff. Thank you both!
The crossover we needed but did not deserve. Looking forward to watching it all, end to end!🎉
I think it's a sedan ;)
Thank you!!!
I think he means both Jasons just like the crossover of a tv show.
@@emoney9931 ayyyy
Just like the ultra high performance xc crosstrek
Two mechanical engineers nailing the chemistry.
D'aww, now that's a solid compliment, thanks!
Great energy, first time only listening, then watched it again, back-to-back!
Just a 2 % gripe:
Jason the driver should Jason the passenger finishes his points sometimes.
Examples: Handling: “Like a hooligan, but it doesn’t bite!”. (23:32) Great quote, give it room to breathe. Infotainment “I don’t want it to be irritating” (29:09). Same. Just give the passenger 3 more seconds to finish his drive. It is a bit easier to follow and lets both of you shine a bit more.
And that is the only negative after watching it back-to-back. So, it is a great infotainment!
@@EngineeringExplained
@@tralala8980 You're spot on, and thanks for watching!! While editing I noticed I was jumping in too soon, hope I can correct this habit of mine if it happens again! (It's tough, bc what's going on in my head is always "keep the convo flowing!" while sometimes it turns into an interruption).
@@EngineeringExplained Thanks for the positive feedback!
I noticed you were probably thinking ahead. "Essential info/quote is out. Bam! Get the next one moving." That works in writing/programing. But it is not enjoyable in conversation. Happens to me too! 😅
Well, I already watched Jason the passenger’s videos too from your description. You all did a great job!
Off to savagegeese...
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I really miss car ads from the 60s.They were instructive. Good it is coming back at least for those, who want it!🤩
Haha
This was one of the best videos I’ve seen recently. Great rapport, genuinely funny and entertaining but also informative and inciteful, this format definitely works !
Honestly this is the perfect combo. Cammisa brings in a little more humor and seems to extract more from your as well. He also adds a dose of emotion both around a car and brand which. That transforms an object into a story. It gives a more complete picture compared to an overly pragmatic mechanical approach which obviously everyone here also deeply enjoys. Diving into the mechanics satiates the inner nerd and helps inspire creativity in your viewers own life. A driving force for turning your army of 8 year olds into tomorrows Lucid 2.0. Best auto related video I’ve watched in a while.
I have followed both components of Jason² for years, and there is no question that this is my favorite video that either of you have ever made. As an engineer with the flawed engineer brain, I love the authentic, unscripted banter about the Air and its unbelievable successes as well as the discussion of Lucid's uncertain future as a new player in the automotive world. Appreciating breakthroughs in technology while simultaneously critiquing the perfectionist mindset in the real world (all with an hint of automotive history) is simply the perfect mix. You both communicate well and have excellent chemistry together. I really hope you guys continue to collaborate in this relaxed fashion. This is some of the most enjoyable, funny, and informative content out there, and it's done without crazy edits or gags - just two gearheads (of... acceptable intellect) poking fun at themselves in a fast car!
Wasn't gonna
What a perfect summary. As I am not an engineer, I'll simply leave it at that.
This video consolidated all the great things about this car including the problem with price. Now lets hope the company makes it and the talent makes it into other cars.
Looking forward to a Jason cammisa Collab with you, Mark!!
They are forced by the rules of business to do exactly what they are doing. Luxury cars make the quickest ROI for manufacturers. Bottom feeder cars are needed to bolster the long term bottom line as well, but that takes longer, hence the Tesla Model S first, then the Model 3 and Y. Ford did the Model T, in any color you wanted, but all at the same time, black. But that market was there waiting for that product. The timing was impeccable. That can’t be done right now. Remember though, that when the Model S was the most important car to come out since the Model T, said the major magazines. I agree.
This is great! I love the Jasons energy :D You guys should make this more often! You two are my favorite car guys! It's great to see you together! I love how much I learn from your videos!
Pure gold. Even if this weren’t car talk it would still be informative and entertaining. But it is and it shows the brilliance of how seamlessly you work together. Pick any other car vehicle engineering topic and repeat! Loved it!
As a huge fan of Cammisa, I really loved this - it showcased the best of EE in a more relaxed environment, while bringing in some of the humour and levity that Cammisa has. This video easily slots into my top 10 favorite UA-cam videos ever, great work guys, hope to see you both continue to succeed and flourish and do more together with amazing brands and cars like this.
Jason's Hagerty content is gold.
I also love the not so subtle ripping they do on each other.
You both are totally different in style, but you both worked together so freakin well!
Really enjoyed both of you reviewing this together. Do more!
2 Jasons in the same video will now create a time paradox from which we can never escape. Great, thanks a lot guys!!
Unfortunately you're stuck in this parallel with the both of us. Every other universe is enjoying peace and serenity.
@@EngineeringExplained well ours is more fun at least! 😎 🏁
You guys need to do this a few times a year. Two of my favorite car guys by several orders of magnitude!
Might be able to make that happen, see pinned comment, so long as a few launches line up (that said, each car launch has numerous waves, so the likelihood of getting it all synced up is tough, but hey, we can chat about it!).
Honestly. I'd rather see an episode of Icons where Jason throws to Jason on the whiteboard. Find a single car you both dearly love and have fun with it. Jason, history history history, manufacturing, blah blah blah, "and here's what slide rule crowd says", walk over to you with a whiteboard segment on some inane detail of the car and some banter. It'd be kinda fun seeing another foil other than Randy.
This was fun, don't get me wrong, and I'd like to see another. But this type of unscripted off the cuff content isn't what either of you are best at or known for. It'd be fun to see what an actual mashup of your two styles would be like.
Podcast:)
Great video, dudes!
It was like two car geeks taking a drive and having an epic time enjoying the conversation and freedom of the open road.
Do it again. It was great.
fantastic interplay between the 2 Jasons! I would love to see more of this!
OMG! These two together! For halve an hour 🤯 I really enjoy these kind of surprises. I really do. Jason is one of my favorite car UA-camrs… yes, you got it right!
Now Jason on the other hand... 😉
@@EngineeringExplained Both Jasons are among the elite in automotive journalist Jasons.
What an episode! Guest Jason really brought out some fun topics haha. Quite the throwdown at MB!
That was a truly enlightening dialogue, so thank you both for recording that.
What an great absorbing video, I found what you were saying really interesting. Your description of handling (Jason C) painted an image in my head of the car being driven as if I was the driver. Loved the geeky tech stuff too. You guys should do more stuff like this again. Please can you do the Lucid Gravity when it comes out too??
Oh my god. Jason Cammisa with Jason Fenske, the world is officially cured.
Y'all too kind, quick, someone call us names!
@@EngineeringExplaineddouble-goats
@@faheemabbas3965 Dave Coleman is the ultimate nerd goat for us old Sport Compact Car fans, but these two would make excellent sidekicks!
@@EngineeringExplainedNerds!
@@EngineeringExplained the greatest like-minded nerd collab ever on youtube! PS: did watch the full 39 mins of the video and loved every second of it!
Fantastic seeing two of my favorite auto experts collaborate. More of this, please!
A great team, you compliment each other so well. Continue the collaboration!
Camisa’s ICONS video is amazing. It’s one of my favorite videos he has done. Highly recommend it.
Great collaboration! An excellent exploration of the Lucid drawing on your respective perspectives.
Professor Camisa is a legend! Love this collab!
This is quite possibly my new favorite duo on UA-cam. Glad this happened.
I enjoy both or your content separately and really enjoyed this joint effort!!!
Two of my favorite youtube car guys making an episode together is something I wasn't expecting
This was such a joy to listen to, interesting the full way thru. I finished and I just wanted to hear you guys talk about more. Hearing real talk about cars and not sensational promo material is always a breathe of fresh air.
this was so awesome! please make more of these!!
Loved the collab, hope to see another!
The two great Jasons of creating absurdly high quality automotive content. Amazing.
Glad you guys finally got together. I am a big fan of both your channels but for different reasons. Jason C offers videos that are always very entertaining, and I appreciate his coverage of historical vehicles and he (and Randy) seems very enthusiastic about what he is doing. Jason F offers videos that are usually explaining something interesting, so I am paying very close attention, hanging onto every word making sure I understand every detail of what he is saying.
Good the hear the explanation about braking for these quick cars - can accelerate faster than they can brake. Interesting to hear Jason C’s take on the handling of the Sapphire. We have finally reached the stage where the car‘s computer can control traction better than a human driver. And also great to hear Jason C’s comment that the Sapphire is ahead of MB on leading edge engineering.
Great chemistry, great talk. Way to go guys!
You two make great content together! More of this bros! Great video!
Easily, one of the best collaborations of all time. Thank you both.
We need more Jason x 2! Great team and fun to watch
This is great video and perspectives. We need more 2-Jasons
What a great pairing!??!? You guys have a very engaging presentation style, really enjoyed this vid!!
Would love to see you two sit in a car and do this from time to time. He’s got this phenomenal encyclopedic knowledge!
"Car guys in cars drinking coffee." They're the Jerry Seinfelds of Jasons!
@@bvoyelror for a UK reference, they’re the big brain Smith and Sniff
Always love your videos and never would have imagined what a great combo these two Jasons would be!
So very kind of you, thank you thank you!!
@@EngineeringExplainedWhere's MY CUT?!
@@JasonCammisa lol
@@JasonCammisa don't forget to tip your driver ;)
Wow. Two of my favorites together in the same video! Love it!
This has to be one of the most open minded, respectful and competent discussions about cars i've ever seen, and i watch a lot about cars.. 😅🎉
A duo I never thought I'd see in a video together, shooting the sh*t while riding around in a 1234hp, full-size EV sedan. LOL but I'm 100% all for it. You two have good chemistry and a plethora of knowledge between both of your minds and I feel insanely lucky to be able to watch/listen/learn from you Jasons. Definitely hoping to see more from yall in the future. Thanks again for another great video man, so much learned and taken from it! 🤙🏼🤙🏼
The collab we didn't know we needed
Wow!!! Camisa's analysis and ability to communicate said analysis is so amazing each time I experience it but this was a new level. Thanks other Jason!
Fantastic Video!!! This was a great collab!
My two favorite Jasons presenting together is awesome. Been subscribed here for probably 8 years and I've watched basically every curmudgeon show episode too, so the nerdiness and knowledge is no surprise
These cars would not be allowed to run on an NHRA drag strip without a roll cage, a racing license, and a parachute. But yeah, let's just sell them to general public. Great collab!
Yeah, I believe this is the reason Tesla never put out the Plaid Plus it had planned. The car becomes a specialty car and way more expensive.
It's a Dodge sized middle finger that they made to steak across the plaid
Great video. The 2 Jasons is a great combo!
Amazing ep. We do need more of these.
Oh, what a brilliant suggestion! You two are just extremely good together, after all. Perhaps you could entertain us with a series where one Jason, the engineer, explains things on a whiteboard, while the other Jason does all the crazy stuff and puts the math to the test. Of course, it doesn't really matter which Jason does which, does it?
Agreed more of the 2 J's would be awesome! One condition comes to mind, make sure Randy P gets some face-time as he adds to any show he has been involved with, IMHO!
Loved this video!
Lucid reminds me more of SAAB from what you're describing! Engineering to perfection, but at the cost of profit margin (and sales volumes, as their prices were quite high).
Educational. Entertaining. Honestly it was perfect for me. You two have great chemistry. Thank you both.
This was the most beautifully perfect collaboration I’ve ever seen, please do more together
Fantastic video! I am fully convinced of Lucid's engineering prowess. Hopefully the business side works.
They're inseparable aspects. If you spend three times as much as you charge, when your competitors spend 80% of what they charge, it's much easier to provide higher quality. But unsustainable quality is... unsustainable. Compromises have to be made or they will go bankrupt, like most car brands in history.
@@Muskar2 You both lack the information, knowledge that Lucid designs, develops, manufactures, produces every electric motor for Tesla and Lucid.
Tesla purchases all of their components from other manufactures, producers. Only their S/W is developed within Tesla along with the robot manufacturing implementation, with assistance; Both of these have serious issues.
Tesla has "Globalist/Elite" backing as do Lucid, Rimac, etc. Elon Musk is among their 'puppets', at least since PayPal with Peter Thiel; co-founders. Continues with Tesla, Space X [Jim Cantrell, first Exec VP, engineer, developer - now Phantom Space]
Be Aware, Informed, Knowledgeable, BEWARE !!
All of these EV and nearly all modern vehicles have complete manufacture control => Avoid - at any cost - even [seemingly] FREE => NOT FREE; NO Freedom !! 😞
Good Luck
Genius collab! Who else noticed the rear wheel move forward before the body in that launch slowmo 😮
I did! @4:12
Wow, amazing chemistry and both incredibly well versed in vehicular intricacies. So much fun to watch.
This has to be one on the all time best videos I have watched. Thanks Jasons.
Love the team up! Really like the assessment on the engineering of the the Sapphire and how it plays into the financial aspect of the Lucid company. Great work, gentlemen!
What an incredible video for an incredible car. You two together was a fantastic colab
Gahh! Thank you!! Happy you enjoyed it!
This was actually an awesome duo 👍 nice episode
Absolutely epic duo! You two are complimenting each other perfectly!!! You need to do this as often as possibble! :)
More of 2Jasons content is needed in this world
I liked the dynamic between you guys. Nice to see a lighter side of you, Jason.
Two of my fav guys/channels collaborating... awesome
Really enjoyed this. Hope to see more in the future.
Hearing a person like Cammisa wax automotive rhapsodic about this car like that is truly a surprise. He fucks around a lot, but he is truly serious when talks about how impressed he is with this car.
What a genuinely awesome and engaging discussion on this new Lucid and the engineering that it brings, as well as the state of EVs surrounding it. If this was a podcast series I could listen for hours and hours. Keep this stuff coming Jason(s) haha.
I don’t watch many car videos but watched this whole thing. Two of you have fun chemistry and was an entertaining video. Enough to make me come to comments to look for links
Great video. Love the back and forth. Please do more videos together. Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦🥃
Interesting conversation. I love the direction Lucid is taking with the Sapphire.
Regarding the difference between the Sapphire and the Plaid with some small differences they are very similar in the straight and on the track as far as actual times. The rest is subjective feelings. Whether the price difference is worth it highly depends upon the buyer.
There are certainly a lot more people who can afford $90k vs. $250k. Overall the competition and pace of advancement is a huge win for everyone. It’s not just changing the auto industry, it’s changing the energy industry, robotics, Ai, really the entire world.
That was ridiculously sublime. I enjoyed every second of the banter and especially the content. On the other hand, I think non-engineers could find this a bit too content-rich, and the overall market potential of this video might be a touch limited. Kinda like the Lucid Sapphire itself.
Haha, it's the only way I know! Love this comment - like I said in the video, I'm frequently presented with why mentality is flawed, but pursue anyways.
Delightful, fascinating, and I’m still jealous of both Jasons for hanging out with the other Jason. Great Video
J^2, The crossover I didn't know I needed! Guys keep on the collaboration, can't get better on cars on UA-cam!
2:50 Holy smokes you scared the shi* out of me with those tire sounds!
Don't often comment but I had to on this one. Epic collab guys love seeing you both!!!
Thank you, appreciate ya watching!
Great collab! Fun and smart, which is par for both Jasons!
Awesome coverage and ride along in this car! Too big for my taste, but love the engineering behind it! Also love that you shouted out Savagegeese 👍🏼
UA-cam collabs usually suck. Either there is nothing of substance to the video, or it's so over-scripted and gone though so much back- and forth that nothing of the dna of the individual creators remains.
That being said, this is an example of excellent chemistry between the hosts with genuine insight in and passion for the subject. Maybe it's bias because I do believe that Jason C. is the best automotive jurnalist on the plattform, but I think this is truly great. It's been a long time since the "good" Head 2 Heads of Motor Trend, but I think this might even exceed them.
Really good video. I hope you get the opportunity to work together again.
Really appreciate the kind words, and hope we're able to make it happen again. Thank you, truly, for watching and dropping feedback!
You guys were driving one of five cars Lucid produced to give the media and others for testing and evaluation. My son-in-law works at the plant in Casa Grande, AZ where they are built. He was one of the last humans to go over and make sure everything was perfect on all five cars. When they sold the first Saphire to a real customer, he was assigned to install the front and rear windscreens to make sure they were as perfect as could be without damage (long story there) along with checking the entire car. His only complaint is he hasn't been able to drive one more than a few feet inside the plant. The SUV is coming soon. I hope Lucid stays in business.
Thanks for sharing! Neat that your son-in-law works at the plant, tell him I said hello!
Lucid Motors is now controlled by the Saudis, so don't worry... those petrodollars will keep them afloat.
Any hint if the lucid gravity will get the sapphire power?
This is a great collaboration video, need more Jason squared content.
Great video. Keep it up!
As a clearly 8-year old, I absolutely love the Jason² energy in this very video. Two mechanical engineers talking cars and having a better chemistry than some chemists would like to achieve. :D
Can’t wait for your next coincidental collab!
Excellent collaboration, love to see Lucid get recognition from different perspectives on this masterpiece of a car!
I enjoyed that. Thanks for the video
Loved this collab!!
Dear car makers, we all need tactile buttons because our muscle memory assists reaching the correct feature without looking and without endangering our lives...
Great video! Thank you! 🙂
As the price goes up, you get those diminishing returns. I'm not sure you can justify the Lucid price tag. This is a flagship that needs to sell cheaper cars .. if they can stick around long enough to build them. (This point was being made as I was typing lol)
I think the price is justifiable. It's the fastest car and, according to Jason, the most playful passenger car. At least for the time being, if they didn't sell it for that much, scalpers would. Once the brand is established and you can get one without waiting in line for a year, then they can lower the price to keep the waiting list favorable to them.
It’s worth the price, but the Tesla Plaid is a much better value and not too far behind on performance.
I just watched the second video and loved it. First off I have been watching Jason from EE since like 16-17 like very early on. Loved the knowledge and the humor. Just found Jason C. Not too long ago and also enjoy his energy. The pair is almost too much. Lol you guys are awesome. Please make more stuff together. I need more thirty ish minute car ride conversations between you two.
Honestly epic having both Jasons on the same channel!