Cancel culture is real, and it sucks. (a lib's take)
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In this video, Laci makes her case against cancel culture. She highlights 5 ways that cancel culture fails as a method of justice, or actively perpetuates injustices.
▸ chapters
00:00 Welcome Back!
00:34 Where most reasonable people agree
02:08 Problem 1: Consequences
05:50 Problem 2: Regular people
08:11 Problem 3: Corporate surveillance
09:00 Problem 4: Activist culture
10:21 Problem 5: Political culture
▸ stories:
David Shor
nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/...
Majdi Wadi
www.npr.org/sections/codeswit...
Mimi Groves
www.cnn.com/2021/01/05/opinio...
Emmanuel Cafferty
www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2...
Kimberly Diei
www.thefire.org/cases/univers...
▸ other cases to ponder:
Teen Vogue editor forced to resign
nypost.com/2021/03/18/teen-vo...
BP employee fired for making fun of his bosses with Hitler scene from a movie (he won a $200k lawsuit)
www.theguardian.com/australia...
Claira Hanover lost Deloitte job for tiktok joke about “all lives matter”
nypost.com/2020/07/01/harvard...
Nathan Robinson fired for a joke about military aid to Israel
reason.com/2021/02/10/nathan-...
Tow truck driver gets fired after being accused of denying service to Biden supporter - with no evidence:
www.oregonlive.com/pacific-no...
Professor fired from University of Pittsburgh for a paper critical of affirmative action www.cardiovascularbusiness.co...
Professor fired for speaking in Mandarin bc it sounds like a slur in English
dailytrojan.com/2020/09/22/us...
Educators demoted for refusing to do Wakanda salute
atlantablackstar.com/2021/02/...
UTC Coach fired for mocking Stacey Abrams reclaimthenet.org/chris-malon...
College student forced off women’s soccer team for not taking a knee www.thefire.org/soccer-player...
Zoom blocks college events featuring controversial Palestinian activist Leila Khaled (she hijacked a plane)
www.thefire.org/zoom-cancels-...
Syracuse Uni dismantles frat for private skit roasting a member for being racist
www.thefire.org/cases/syracus...
Kieran Bhattacharya, a UVA med school student, suspended for asking to clarify the definition of microaggressions during a panel on the topic:
reason.com/2021/04/07/microag...
18k petition to fire Cambridge professor for tweeting ‘White Lives Don’t Matter’ (The school defended her.)
dailycaller.com/2020/06/25/pe...
20+ health officials around the country have been fired, or left their jobs under great pressure, bc they're pro-mask or pro-lockdowns.
www.adn.com/nation-world/2020...
▸ Running catalogue of lawsuits here: www.thefire.org/category/news...
▸ Orgs working on cancel culture overreach:
The FIRE Org: thefire.org
Heterodox Academy: heterodoxacademy.org/
Counterweight: counterweightsupport.com/
Remember when it was us liberals who were proud of the fact that we saw the world in shades of grey vs the religious right that had only black and white thinking? Good times, miss those.
That was back in the 80s when the Conservatives were the pearl clutching church moms trying censor everything out of some false sense of morality. They overstepped their bounds and it began their downfall. Why we had movies like Footloose because the left was the counterculture. That was the begining of the pendulum swinging the other way as the liberals took the reins of power slowly over last 30 some years. Now the pendulum is starting to swing back the other way. The right is the counterculture and the left is the man. They are ones censoring the dissent which ultimately just causes their grip to loosen even faster. This country will begin to turn more and more conservative again over next couple decades.
@@Lastjustice I am afraid it is not so easy. Both political ends have been radicalized and see world only as "ours" and "others". Pendulum does not swing back, it randomly chooses one of two answers every time it is measured like a quantum spin. There are only 2 ways out of this situation: WW3, that would destroy most of the word ( or anything that would destroy it); or a third moderate power, that can act like a counterculture. So far, there is no sight of the third power.
@@minaolenella869 Things will pull back toward the middle over time as the culture swings more conservative. This process is not random. There's nothing punkrock about being the establishement, and younger kids appeal to being the counter culture. The extremes are far less of the country than people realize, they're just loud. The younger generation is rejecting the far left propoganda, as the extreme censorship will only cause their downfall to happen faster. Gen Z will end up being far more moderate than the millenials.
Gen X usually are more centrists, as they're middle child generation who just wanted to be left alone. (Hence the lack of memes targetting them heh.) As the Boomers retire and die off, the country will be far less extremes.
The left is in the process of selfdestructing. They have so many bad idea that want to uphold, and under Biden we're seeing them play on to some degree, and people are not interesting in seeing the movie after watching the trailer. These defund the police, open borders, and other stuff the left is doing that is increasing the price of everything is not going keep them in power. People will ultimately vote for what effects their wallet. They hoped to just flood the country with illegals and make them able to vote to stay in power forever...but it's not going work. Biden is Trump's greatest victory, in sense of everything Trump said his opponent would do...he's doing. He's red pilling this country faster than anything the rightwing could ever say or do. (and if the audits prove other things...well I don't see how this goes well for the left.)
I watched this play out, and I see the left making all same mistakes. If they wanted true longevity they'd pick a more moderate stance and try coexist through out the process instead of rushing toward their ultimate downfall. They're doing powergrabs that will just alienate more and more of their base. I mean where was this blue wave? It didn't happen. The Democrats already fear getting their teeth kicked in 2022. It's only going get worse and worse for them.
Join me in Anarchy. We are going to space and creating small, sub orbital communities before taking the stars.
The regressive, puritanical, anti-blasphemy left are effectively the religious left. (They're just as self-righteous, too.)
"Cancel Culture is pro-surveillance & anti-worker" YES! I don't hear this point enough.
Oh, I get it now🤷🏽♂️
"A deal with the devil."
Thats the right Wing take on cancel culture...
@@TheAZchambers yea, because right wingers are known for their concern for workers.
Being concerned about workers rights and corporate surveillance culture is now right wing eh?
I guess I'd better become rightwing then.
" Cancel culture centers activisim that *feels good* over activism that *does good* " - thank u for articulating this frustrating thought into words lol
That's SJW in a nutshell, and what made me think Dave Ruben was rational for like a year.
I think that is well said.
But deplatforming people actually does do a lot of good.
@@salpon "deplatforming people ... does do a lot of good." But also does a lot of bad. A brilliant smart patriot like Al Franken loses his senate seat, or Garrison Keillor his long running radio show, for specious reasons. George Carlin or Richard Pryor could never speak today the truths they spoke then. Don't even start on Redd Fox!
If a sniper executes every 12th driver to pass through an underpass you'd surely get rid of a lot of bad drivers, but some good ones too. For me to endorse a project it needs a higher standard than mob rule. When it passes that threshold, then I will endorse a deplatforming.
@@ThePeaceableKingdom I'm merely responding to the assertion that cancelling people isn't effective. It is very effective.
Those "unseen cancellations" happened to my partner. A girl tried incessantly to break us up and get with him, when he absolutely refused and cut all ties she used screenshots of a conversation I had with a friend that was taken out of context and a fake instagram to spread lies that my partner sexually assaulted her, her friend, and was abusive. We lost friends, our company took a massive reputation hit, and he's lost job opportunities. All over a petty lie.
Sounds horrible. But the truth will win out....
This is not at all a new thing. It has happened since before the internet.
That's not a petty lie.
It was a petty woman who did that though
@cyotee doge If you’re gonna try and tell me you know more about the situation I literally lived through than I do you can gtfo. They used my face to fuel their lies and I know my partner better than anyone.
Wow wtf
Ironically, internet vigilantes seeking "accountability" of someone they deem cancellable rarely take _accountability_ for how they - an individual amongst the mob - can negatively affect another person's life. The worst part is celebrities, generally, are safe from the worst parts of cancellation. It's those at the bottom of society, with next to nothing, that get hurt most. Practising sympathy and humility are lost arts, it would seem...
let's also not forget that cancellation can be co-opted by the establishment to remove people they already want to remove. and as long as the establishment holds the keys to power, specifically control over the mass media, they can rework any narrative to fit their agenda.
remember how joe biden was accused of sexual assault? where did that cancellation go? and tara reade's case was quite well-established, complete with multiple corroborations that she had reported it almost 30 years ago, including her mom going on a radio show to ask questions about it. meanwhile, many other actual leftist candidates have been cancelled for far far less, and there are even democrat strategists who openly admit that this is now a strategy they expect right-wing campaigns to push at every turn.
not only will the poorest and most powerless get the brunt of the cancellations, but they will also be cancelled to preserve the status quo and possibly even strengthen the establishment against populist voices. the knock-on effect is basically analogous to calling on youtube to censor itself against misinformation while completely avoiding an actual regulator accountable to the public. youtube has cancelled some nutjobs like alex jones; but they have also cancelled far far more leftist voices, including tweaking their algorithm to redirect traffic away from indie media and back onto mainstream media.
cancel culture is an illusion of power for the masses, but it is little more than mob lynching.
Exactly. The main problem with cancel culture is that most people don’t have the resources to deal with thousands of people wanting them dead.
Also, is it just me, or are those most prone to participation in Cancel Culture _also_ (generally) the least able to put together a logical argument?
In an era when Emotions are considered Evidence and Feelings are as good as Facts, rational discourse is also dying...in the land that invented Free Speech.
I would think celebrities are more vulnerable to cancelation because being famous makes you a target. If you're a nobody you have next to nothing to lose.
There's a lot of people just looking for an excuse to feel self-righteous about completely destroying someone else. It makes them feel powerful.
You can't reason with mobs regardless of political affiliation. Individuals you can sometimes reason with.
They tried doing that to Andrew Yang and Gal Gadot
The first part involves the target being dehumanized, then made acceptable to attack them with full force.
@@izzylandyt A pity that Andrew Yang sold out.
@@Maniacman2030 yeah I’m gonna have to respectfully disagree.
Yo, you did in 12 minutes what most UA-camrs would need 3 hrs for. Informative, concise, and full of excellent, clear points. Also highlights how cancel culture “stans” intentionally present specific narratives to strengthen their weak points
I disagree. I feel like this is a great introduction to the idea that cancel culture has gone too far, but with how long some individuals have been talking about it already, nothing new was really presented, and no further discussion was made beyond what other people have already said. Concise, yes. But it also only brings up the idea, nothing more, nothing less. Then again, that type of discussion is better made on a different platform than a 'standard' youtube video...
@@tricd0444 maybe you should consider that not everyone has heard everything you have. This may be the first counterpoint many have seen which makes it valuable for being simple and concise. Anyone who cares to can look further into the topic but this was a good overview.
@@tricd0444 Insubordinate and churlish.
@@ChiliTomatoNoodle lmfao what.
@@tricd0444 While I do understand your point, many think that its often against the liberal and leftard standpoint to be against cancel culture. Also few actually take the time to watch lengthy videos and read long intellectual articles about cancel culture. In that sense, the points are perfectly valid and the video is useful
I fully feel a lot of cancel culture stems from people wanting to get involved but not knowing how to tackle the big issues so they simply go for the lowest hanging fruit. On top of that they use a nuke where a hammer will do. Your example of the powerful people not getting canceled the little guys getting totally dominated really shows that. I think people should know it's okay to not always look for things to fix and instead just speak up they see something wrong but also have the thought process to know the proportions of the problem.
Critical thinking is quickly becoming a lost art. Instead, schools are teaching to "act first" and what they're supposed to be offended by or jump at.
@@Maniacman2030 smh :(
@@Maniacman2030 bold of you to think people used to have it
Nah, they're just a bunch of privileged tribalist psychos
@@Maniacman2030
There was never a time when critical thinking skills weren't in short supply. And schools never taught critical thinking
UA-camrs are splintering off into 2 camps--the ones that live in semi/actual fear of making a slip-up that damages their livelihood, and the ones that are bulletproof because they thrive on the controversy or are completely removed from the audience that cares about cancellation.
I'm sure they like to think they're immune from it, and they play up the "I don't care what you think of me" angle, but conservatives have purity tests of their own. They wouldn't be cancelled for being bigoted, but for being too woke. If they said there are more than two genders and Halloween costumes are problematic, they'd lose their fanbase by lunch.
@@swagar false equivalency there, the difference with that is that with woke people they completely go out of their way for it, looking for 10 year old tweets, or doxxing people and it trends along, regardless of who they are canceling could be a liberal with a “right wing” opinion or just a conservative person. When Conservatives “cancel” someone algorithms tend not to spread it at all. It usually stays isolated within the conservative sub-groups. Completely different.
@@animalfuntime1686 As a conservative, I feel forced to mention the right-wing mob that dug up decade-old tweets on James Gunn to get him fired from Disney, and he was fired. At least, barring some deeper conspiracy between Gunn and Disney, that's what seems to have happened.
@@swagar it's interesting that you immediately assume the people who don't care about cancellation are conservatives. I'm radically pro-worker and pro-LGBTQ+ but I will say all kinds of controversial shit, because I think it's very important, and free speech is inherently a Leftist issue that people who are under the impression that everyone must cater to their emotions at all times have made anathema to our discourse.
Trump lost you mad bro
"hey, MC Donald, u know an worker in your company say Something to my perception racist when he was 16 years old?"
"thank you, we Will stop his power in flipping burguers for minimun wage, you saved the World"
2:25 Back when this cancel culture started, a lot of the instances of cancel culture were the result of a mere _accusation_ that someone was doing something reprehensible. It began as *extrajudicial punishment* for what ordinarily is considered bad. It spiraled further out of control from there.
It’s weird how back in 2014-2016 when I was deep into anti-sjw stuff, they were saying all this. Now it’s 2021 and Laci Greene, the feminist everyone back in those days loved to hate on, is saying some of the same stuff. Not pointing this out to take a shot at anyone, but it’s just interesting to see everything come full circle.
a lot of the time it would be more productive to talk to the person, rather than ‘cancel’ them
And that's why they tried to cancel Daryl Davis.
I totally agree with this. As someone who found himself on an anti-sjw pipeline and progressive content during different stages of life, I'll definitely say that it's in a leftist's best interest to "not be too offended," since that can easily be used as ammunition to fuel a narrative with an agenda that goes in the completely opposite direction. The way I'd recommend going about communicating such views in a healthy way is to try channeling how a doctor would tell a patient how to take care of their health rather than be in the mindset of "ugh, how can you believe this?" or "ugh, I can't believe I have to explain this."
Talk instead of cancel? My goodness, you sound like one of those far right characters. Surely you can not be very progressive pushing for actual mutual conversation?
Not only talking to them should be given a try. But ultimately it comes down to this: If someone is genuinely a racist, how is screeching at them and displaying hatred toward them going to convince them to stop being hateful??
You cannot destroy hate with hate. Showing compassion and kindness would be a more productive way to get them to reconsider.
Those who’re spiritually connected know this.
@@cuckoophendula8211 "I totally agree with this. As someone who found himself on an anti-sjw pipeline and progressive content during different stages of life, I'll definitely say that it's in a leftist's best interest to "not be too offended," since that can easily be used as ammunition to fuel a narrative with an agenda that goes in the completely opposite direction. The way I'd recommend going about communicating such views in a healthy way is to try channeling how a doctor would tell a patient how to take care of their health rather than be in the mindset of "ugh, how can you believe this?" or "ugh, I can't believe I have to explain this.""
Except she gives Arielle Scarcella a platform. Someone that people have tried talking to.
I plan on adopting in a few years (we want to wait for our 3 year old to be school age) and I'm really starting to get nervous about expressing almost any opinion online because of it. What if in 3 years someone goes back to an old UA-cam video or a comment on Facebook and suddenly I'm not a valid adoptive mother. It's a real fear I've been thinking about. I want to exercise my speech but I might not be able to.
Adoptive mothers are real moms. You’re doing so much good for the world giving a child a home. I just try to avoid social media altogether.
Do not talk in twitter XD
You are really smart to think that way. Best wishes on your adoption.
Nothing is new or changed, really. The difference about the newest wave of "cancel culture" was branded so as the targets changed to include conservatives. The people who complain loudly in their platforms this branding and perpetuating the Boogeyman "cancel culture" used to benefit from it. It wasn't until it turned on them that it was a problem.
Societies evolve and change over time what is culturally acceptable in one decade may not be acceptable in the next. The difference is the ubiquity of socal media now.
You always needed to be careful about what that adoption investigation was going to bring up it is just that the filter criteria has changed. And we've all left a more searchable history.
We should all think this way, we think before we speak so think before posting
That point about not being able to make mistakes or ask like awkward questions is exactly why I left Tumblr ages ago. You had to be absolutely perfect or else people jump down your throat for not knowing something, like not even being mean, just straight up not knowing.
Do you not know how to Google?
@@EclecticMystic saying shit like that “google is free” “do you know how to use google” etc is so toxic. Pretending that complex issues can be understood with one simple google search is just untrue. If I google “what is racism?,” I’m not going to understand the nuance and lush history of racism in one search. It takes years to understand those kinds of topics. Also, there’s SO much misinformation out there. If you believe you have the answers to something, you should point the person to reliable sources at the very least.
@@EclecticMystic that doesn't help when one just says something that they think is innocuous then suddenly everyone is attacking them. Should people Google absolutely everything before speaking or posting? How could one even do that if they don't know what to google in the first place?
@@TheOrchidBird exactly. Not to mention that everyone has their own opinion and especially on Tumblr they like to speak as though they speak for everyone.
@@TheOrchidBird People like him trek of the toxic "It's not my job to educate you" crowd.
I tried to understand intersectionality, progressivism and anti-racism but all I ever got were endless purity tests and toxic arguments. It's why I've just doubled down on my assertion that these ideas are inherently hateful. Hell, some of what comes out of this is just straight up racism.
There is this British News personality called Ash Sarcar (if I spelled that right) and she literally says that Woke Culture is "advocating for thee redistribution of wealth, land and resources along racial, gender and class lines."
In other words; Race Socialism.
Sargon of Akkad did a video calling her out on this where he plays the clip. I recommend checking it out. He's a bit more right leaning than Laci but when a man is right about something, he's right.
A lot of people forget that, in the U.S. at least, corporations and companies are basically allowed to deny you service and terminate your employment for any reason. So sure, they can fire or deny you service for some arbitrary reason but believe me, they wanted you fired and replaced with someone who takes a lower wage from day one. Prettying it up with social justice is just putting flowers in front of the abbatoir.
Glad you touched on this
Hilariously enough, this is part of why cancel culture isn't a thing. People by and large aren't losing their jobs because some rabid mob of people wanted them to.
@@mechanomics2649 thats where youre wrong.
@Fma fg Gddvh Look up "right to work States" and get back to me on that one. They really can.
It's not just conservative opinions and bigoted slip-ups being cancelled, either. People constantly get doxxed, harassed, and bullied off Twitter for being too progressive, yet for some reason we don't consider that cancel culture, even though it's the exact same tactics.
A tool that is seen as alright to use against the other side will inevitably be used against your own side, a social Mutually Assured Destruction, in a way.
Canceling people has been a conservative tactic for many years, but when it starts to happen to them, they started complaining. Colin Kaepernick and Mohamed Ali were on the receiving end,
@@paul121784 Cancel culture IS mob behavior regardless of political affiliations and it needs to be recognized as such. Not all conservatives are the same and not all progressives are the same.
Conservatives cancelled The Chicks before Cancel Culture was considered a thing.
How many times have people tried to cancel you? lol. I'm glad you're still around and doing stuff and enjoying yourself.
God only knows. XD
To be honest I stopped following Laci when she started saying some really weird stuff that I didn't want in my feed... it wasn't a co-ordinated effort, though.
@@JevonWright Yeah, it's a shame. Definitely moved to the right. Not saying she's a right winger but she definitely comes off as a centrist libby chud sometimes.
She is a left winger. She pushed cancel culture. Why would she be cancelled and by who?
@@TheOutsider69 Dont worry, Im sure she still has enough contempt for white people that you dont need to worry your pretty little socks off.
It’s really bad when someone digs through years of social media posts on a person and finds a “problematic” post they posted 10-15 years ago and tries to get that person canceled because of it. People change over time.
They change, and what was considered acceptable 10, 15, even 20 years ago is much different than what is acceptable now. I'll bet that those doing the cancelling probably held some of those same outdated opinions at the time, too.
Yeah. This reminds me of Jenna Marbles
It was great to hear you speak about this so delicately and calmly, especially because I feel like you suffered heavily from cancel culture a few years back. I know it's tricky but I'd love your thoughts on how you experienced this !
Read the Jon Ronson book “so you’ve been publicly shamed”, it’s a really interesting study of cancel culture and how it affects people’s lives! Great video laci 🥰🥰
TheTake did a video on Cancel Culture as well
Okay so right off the bat- your background is on point; fairy lights and starry night aesthetics is oh so nice. You're glowing as always in this video.
"That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer, is a Maxim that has been long and generally approved." -Benjamin Franklin
Literally the opposite of cancel culture.
I had not seen a video from you in ages. I am suscribed so blame YT. I love the clear exposition. This gave a trip down the memory lane when I used to hate you, then learned to tolerate you then and now I really enjoy your content. A clear example of how we grow.
Laci!! I used to watch you when I was so young! I'm so glad youtube recommended you! So glad to see you again.
Thank you for summing up my thoughts and feelings on cancel-culture in such a way that anyone can understand the problems with it.
Thank you for making this video! I've been really uncomfortable with the phenomenon of canceling for a while now, but it seems like even just talking about it is not okay. I hate how lacking in nuance a lot of our discussions have become on the left. It's not the right way forward.
WOW. You actually provide more sources in the description. Jut what I was looking for. This is by far the best video on this subject I've been able to find on YT. Keep doing what you do!
I hope you are not “canceled” for this
they already tried a while back
Can't be cancelled of you're not very relevant. As soon as she stated she was more center than left on Crowder any mention of her just up and disappeared.
she already was.
Why wasn't Arielle Scarcella open to talk to Vaush?
@@jaredscott9035 There were people in the video that were not broadly relevant at all, but were supposed to have been cancelled.
I think this is a matter of social media algorithms meeting trolls meeting mass hysteria. People are always driven by 'the next clickbait drama'.
Yes!!
Mob behavior has existed since caveman times but social media gave it rocket fuel.
Interesting how the laws for getting fired are so free in the US. I live in Canada, and I know that our laws require really specific and detailed reasoning that involves either committing crimes at work, or not doing any work or not showing up are what is required to probably be fired. It's really difficult to get rid of crappy workers, but jobs are way more stable.
I really appreciate it a lot more knowing that other countries don't have that security net.
Yep. The US never really had a labour movement in the way that most European countries (and Canada by extension as a Commonwealth country) did, so many of the safety nets and regulations that most of the rest of the industrialised world benefit from don't really apply.
I would upvote this more times, you state it so eloquently. I've heard people on the left, right, and center saying this, but this is one of the best distillations.
"Hey, this guy said Cardi B was an overrated gardening tool! Cancel him!"
Meanwhile!
"Hey, Keven Spacy has a new movie coming out!"
Really good video.
More people should read "So You've Been Publicly Shamed" by Jon Ronson - he's been warning people about this sort of thing for years!
Reading from it's Wikipedia article it seems that the anecdotes of the book conflict with the widely perceived view of what "cancel culture" is.
Yes! I thought about him and his discussion of Monika Lewinski throughout this…
Love love love this video. I remember subbing to you like 9 years ago and you never fail to bring people down to earth. I Love and support what you do! 😍
Laci you are definitely ahead of your time. In a few years everyone will start discussing this, the same way ppl started discussing social justice after you started psoting about that
When they say it doesn't exist, they actually mean it is a rightful and moral tool to use as they please. Except there are no checks and balances in place to regulate an internet mob, nor is such a mob under any obligation to retract demeaning or borderline criminal statements once they are revealed to be incorrect or simply failed to be proven as truthful.
It's basically a way to sidestep actual responsibility towards accusations made as well as giving immediate effects to ANY accusation, regardless if it has any merit or not.
Excellent video, Laci. I 100% agree. I think people have become bullies in the name of justice. I feel disillusioned by activism to the point that I no longer want to associate with activists, and I used to be one. They are some of the nastiest people I have ever met, but they think it is justified because they are holding people "accountable", apparently. A lot of them used to be the kindest people, but now I don't recognize them any longer. I don't see them being any better than the people they are canceling.
I never thought I would see my side become so authoritarian and it breaks my heart. We used to be compassionate and open minded once. But social media turned people angry, fearful, and quite frankly, power hungry.
Nice to see more videos from you Laci! I'm still subbed but for some reason UA-cam rarely recommends your videos to me. Heck it's the 19th when I type this and this is the first video I've seen from you on my recommends in months. Thanks for the perspective and content. Be safe and looking forward to your next video.
This is such a great video! I'll have to send it to people when this subject comes up.
Concise, articulate, and thought provoking. Great vid Laci! 😄
I recommend reading "So you've been publicly shamed" by Jon Ronson. Just finished it, and it was a pretty enlightening read.
I remember watching you when I was a kid from Dnews all the time and your earlier stuff. I just decided to comeback and check you out and I'm glad that you have such good arguments and explanations.
Off topic, but I just have to say that your lighting game is solid. Excellent gaffer work! Love the colors.
Thank you for posting this! It allows me to share these ideas with people who wouldn't be willing to watch videos from any right-of-center channels
So much for the far left's open mindedness, inclusiveness, tolerance, liberalism, and any other value they pretend to have but in reality never do have.
@@theycontroltheleftandtheri3705 Doesn't constantly looking at the world through a left/right lens get kind of tiring...?
@@thecripplingestofdepressio2686 The name suggests as much, no? That said there is nothing wrong with that I said, the left are the complete opposite of about every value they ever pretended to have. You can point out their endless double standards and hypocrisy and its all just water off a duck's back to them.
I forgot I subbed to you way back when you came out of the echo chamber. Haven't seen a video of yours in my recommended since. UA-cam really dropped the ball on that one...
Don't you go to your subscriptions tab?
Just click that notification bell.
Ya, I literally just came here looking to see what's up with Laci, has she been cancelled yet. And this!
And _this_ video is outstanding!
I mean, if I click notify on every channel then how do I distinguish between those I watch more often than others? How would her channel ever get to the point of me wanting a notification if I never see a video beyond the first? It's a fair point, if you accept that YT has no idea what it's doing and clicking both is a work around, but it's unreasonable to expect me to have to sub AND click notify to ever see a posted video.
My sub box is also huge and no, I haven't seen anything of hers in there either.
Best "vent" I've heard in a hot min. The part about "pro corporate surveillance" was on point. I'm stealing that. Thanks for the great content.
I love everything about this video. You are so bright! Thank you for existing.
i feel that while the majority of guilt rests with the cancel mobs, the companies that give in and fire these victims are just as guilty for not standing behind their employees and being cowards.
The companies that give in are the actual, sole problem.
Yup
@@mechanomics2649 I wouldn't say sole
It’s almost like “cancel culture” is just capitalism and has been a thing for centuries.
@@calistusjay60 what a horrible take
Good words Laci, thanks for putting into words what I've already been thinking.
Holy shit, this went deep. I'm impressed. It all made sense, especially about the way you describe the "feel good" vs "does good" approach.
This is the first video of yours that YT has recommended to me in months and I'm subbed even! Anyways, everything you said was spot on and I honestly hadn't thought of the celebrity response, in the same way, that you did. Kinda makes sense though given the power imbalance in this country. Keep up the good work. And also, do you see this kind of mindset, and toxic culture fading out any time soon?
I remember when Laci was on David Pakman’s show and David insisted SJWs weren’t that big of an issue and Laci was like, “uhh... yes it is.”
That's because Pakman is part of the gaslighting brigade attempt to make people disbelieve their lying eyes.
@@Gunners_Mate_Guns I never thought I'd live in the timeline where Laci Green realized that the faux activists (SJWs) are actually a tumor on society.
@@GameExplorer0115 IKR
Also, not that it matters, but she looks terrific.
I suspect that if she had stayed full tilt SJW, even that aspect of her would have declined.
Not for nothin', but y'all seem to have bought in. You're discussing SJWs like they're a Bad Thing. So now, you're all comfortable thinking the words "socual justice" in a negative light. Let me ask you this: will this affect your response to social INjustice? Do you wish to live in a society?
@@NWPaul72 So you're conflating SJWs which is proformance activists and actual activists.
This is the most compassionate take I’ve seen on this topic ever.
long time fan! glad you're back lg, you are a breath of fresh air!
love that you tackle the tough subjects and apply such a proper, sensible, intelligent, caring perspective! ly!
muah
Ah, I see what she is getting at. Thank you Laci for clarifying, the title had me a bit confused. Nice work, keep it up.
People's personal social media should be just that, personal. Unless a person is truly causing harm and it will affect their work, they should not be fired from their jobs for a controversial tweet.
5 years ago if someone had told me that in the future I would find myself regularly agreeing with Laci Green, I would have straight up laughed in their face. This timeline is getting weird...
As a disillusioned liberal myself, I get the impression that she and I probably share way more views than I initially thought.
I mean, this is kind of the disintegration and cannibalisation of the left that Sargon was talking about years ago. Funnily enough, he didn't fare any better and just went the same way in a different direction. We really need some boring centrist UA-camrs that look at events and talk about how relative everything is.
@@DrakeSilmore What about SFO?
@@thecripplingestofdepressio2686 Not familiar with SFO, are they interesting?
@@DrakeSilmore Yeah, it's pretty crazy how the 'youtube political commentator' landscape has shifted over the past 10 years. I really do think that at one point we had a healthy representation of all kinds of diverse viewpoints, lots of them totally nuts, but you could find reasonable commentators if you looked around for a while, while now all that's left almost is a few competing orthodoxies.
I came across you years ago. I think 6 or 7. Times fly so I don't remember exactly but I am so happy you are still active. Amazing content. Evolving. Changing. Thoughts provoking. At least in me. So what I want to say is, thank you for amazing job. Lots of hugs (I am a hugger) from safe distance from Poland,ŁÓDŹ 🤗😊🤗😊
This is ridiculously exactly what I have thought for quite a long time. Thank you for sharing this. 🙏🏻
I love it when they try to tell us what is right in front of our eyes doesn’t exist.
Im just glad even leftists are finally starting to realize this.
Already know👍🏽
Hey I feel like you really hit the nail here. Here is how I think of all this, and a question I wish people would ask themselves. Is it better for the innocent to suffer when trying to get the bad guys? Or for the bad guy to get away and no innocent be punished for something they never did.
Laci, I just figured out where "We are living in a society." from the podcast intro comes from.
There is a WSJ article from Paul Bloom (called "When Intentions Don’t Matter") in which he writes, "I have colleagues who believe that it’s better that 10 innocent students suffer than one plagiarist go free" and I think that is the position of a surprising amount of activists. They might say that it's just a small amount of people who get "cancelled", which is absolutely true, but I don't think the amount of people plays as much of a role as them wanting to catch absolutely everyone who *could* be seen as morally reprehensible by them. (You don't have to agree or disagree with anything in the article, by the way. It's an interesting read though!)
Cheers
You made a video that perfectly articulates all my feelings about cancel culture.
I'm never going to have to explain my opinion again - I can just send people this video. Thank you.
I haven't watched Laci's videos for a while, but I am completely surprised by her videos in the past few years. She came to my college to speak in 2015, and I asked a question regarding how to deal with those you disagree with, and if there was a way to start a discussion with them. Small note, this was a small and ultra liberal arts college, and everybody was very much in the left. I don't remember exactly what Laci said in response to my question, but I remember her saying in a round about way how it's difficult to have a discussion with those on the right and that there would be little chance of a good outcome in the end. I was embarrassed afterwards, because I thought I was wrong to even ask that question. I'm glad to see you have taken a softer approach to these issues, and after watching this video, I feel a little bit less like an outsider than before.
Oh what are you planning on doing on stream? More interviews/podcast type things? Keep up the good work.
I must say this channel has evolved so much. It was more about about sex positivity and liberal ideology before all that was mainstream. Now you've taken a step back and are creating content which will be at the forefront in the next 5 years from now. I've been watching this channel since I was teen! I love how you keep changing things up. Also, great rack, my god! Keep up the good work!
Bruh I was about to like your comment until I saw the penultimate sentence 🤦♀️
@@meegy2 I myself debated that line, but I realised I couldn't help myself. looool. Honestly tho, nothing bad meant by it, just a humorous (and true) complement!
@@meegy2 I mean, come on... They're right there.
Same here. I really liked her Sex+ videos but for me I didn't like the direction she was going with the liberal left stuff, but I was so happy when she took the brave step to listen to the other side. This is where I think she blossomed. I'm glad I kept my subscription.
@@thecripplingestofdepressio2686 loool precisely!
The cancel culture crowd will keep denying there weapon of cancelation exists so that they can continue using it.
I don't agree because people can continue to use it even if they agree, and openly acknowledge, that cancel culture exists. What's to stop individuals and groups from termination their support?
Considering that the right constantly cries about it while simultaneously weaponizing it, I disagree.
@@mechanomics2649 how is the right weaponizing it? Are you completely unaware of whats going on around you?
@@krotchlickmeugh627 are you? Never heard voices from the right to boycot certain companies or some football players?
@@mechanomics2649 The right is weaponizing it, you're absolutely right. But it's idiotic to allow a weapon to be used against you consistently while you refuse to use it yourself. It gurantees loss. The left used the tactic first and legitimized and praised the use of the weapon, now that pandora is out of the box, there's no point in bitching that the right is using the lefts tactics against them. If the left thinks it's over the line, or wrong to utilize, that should of been discussed on the left side of the isle long before using it as a hammer to beat the right with for years, failing to realize the tactic could be used just as harshly by the right.
Cancel culture is here to stay, if you don't like it, blame the originators and long time perpetrators of it. There's no getting rid of it now.
I like your perspective. A good mix of feeling and logic. A lot of discussions now days are exclusive.
Been a long time since I saw a Laci video (probably at the beginning of the Chris Ray gun thing).
I like what I am hearing.
This take is just awesome. Thanks for putting your opinion out there!
Great video! ❤ I'm really scared to listen to the podcast with Arielle... her Twitter is so full of hate and misinformation. But I'm willing to listen, maybe I can learn something.
Yeah this entire video was really good except when she mentioned that she did an interview with Arielle. She’s actually a pretty abhorrent person
@@DrakenWolfwood Yeah, Arielle is definitely not a victim. She didn't just slip up, she continues to spread hate every day unapologetically and calls it 'being realistic'. But hey, it's important to listen and maybe I'll learn why she is the way she is.
Well this was an incredibly good video, thanks for making it, you make really great points and seem to have thought this through really well. Lots of things I have not thought about.
Glad you're back. I developed slightly early and I was ignorant and vulnerable enough from not being able to pick up euphemisms and falling behind the sexual knowledge level of my peers. You helped me identify abusive behaviors and though it wasn't always smooth sailing, I sailed better for having listened to you. I told the 26 yo who kept asking me out when I was 16 that I knew better than that because, as I told him at the time, "I actually AM mature enough for my age to know this is weird dude."
I think one of the problems of talking about cancel culture is that the high-profile, in-the-media cancellations that lots of people hear about are mostly legit (and of people who have enough resources that being "cancelled" isn't devastating to them). While the ones that are most dangerous / out of proportion / harmful are exactly to the people you hear so little about.
It is complicated it went from holding people accountable to taking out everyone
It's a fuzzy line and anyone who questions it or toes it will get attacked socially, reputation wise and potentially physically.
I think what you mean is, it went from only targeting people I disagree with to also targeting people I agree with.
_When you ride upon the tiger, you can't ever get off if it gets hungry_
The problem is that if something is serious enough that they should lose their livelihood (as opposed to the ordinary social ostracism that's always existed), I'd argue that offense should probably be a legal matter, rather than something dealt with informally (and without due process) on social media.
Define what "accountable" is. Ruining a man's career and getting a restaurant shut down because a couple of accusations and then receiving clout, cash, and a career for doing it? To me -- if we were being REAL feminists (which Fourth Wave Feminism simply is not) you would be the bigger person and just press charges and keep it out of the Media. Then forgive the guy in my opinion and do something else instead of routinely coming after the same group of people. True story by the way.
What also disqualifies what I stated above as being able to get "cancelled" is that those "accusations" were part of a set-up and orchestration of a political attack against a company and group of people that has been going on for years. So there is context.
So good to hear you again. You have my attention. Watched you grow over the years and I'm proud you are still at it.
I had a conversation about point 3 recently, with a friend of mine who was looking for a career change and thinking about getting into HR. I warned her that she would need to get used to the fact that HR does not exist to represent the worker, but rather to protect the company FROM the worker.
Cancel culture has given corporate HR the easiest of outs for canning employees with little to no recourse for the terminated employee in response. That is an excellent point, and needs to be raised more prominently.
Excellent video, Laci!
"Super powerful people don't suffer from cancel culture"
May I introduce you to.... Ellen
Ellen is still a multimillionaire and still has a level of clout that most people do not.
@@RhythmLP Ellen got canceled. Cancel culture isn't about losing money, its about losing followers and everyone turning against you. Her show was canceled, she canceled.
@@niceguy7171 what do you mean, cancel culture is 100 percent about losing money and influence to such a degree that you cannot return from it. she may have lost money and SOME influence, but she still has an ability to make a living off of her name alone. if she can still do that then she is not cancelled.
@@niceguy7171
cancel culture is not about losing followers. It's about hugely disproportionate reactions by a big mob of tribalist idiots, and employers or institutions giving in to the pressure of the mob. If the reaction isn't disproportionate, it isn't cancel culture
@@RhythmLP
Cancel culture doesn't mean "you cant return from it." You don't have to be left with absolutely no ability to make a living before it can be called "cancel culture"
Thank you for being a voice of reason.
Man everything you said is 100% right. I practice law (in Canada) and people always come to me with a case, " can I sue someone because they didn't call me the right pronoun", " can I sue someone because they asked me to grab a coffee cup and I am a women," "Can I sue a person because they winked at me?"...No no and no. Sexual assault in law is a very serious charge. Intentionally touching a person for sexual gratification is the way it works. It is also objective (not subjective). In law that means if a reasonable person thinks the statute applies not whether the victim thinks it applies. Victim's testimony is still a really big deal. It is frustrating that people pontificate on the law with no knowledge. My former GF appreciates some of you other vids. I will leave it at that. Love your vids!
Um, you're lying. I highly doubt you even practice law, and not just because you have terrible writing skills. Not one person has ever asked a legal expert, "Can I sue someone because they didn't call me the right pronoun." The only people who think that it is illegal to call someone by the wrong pronoun in Canada are idiot transphobes, because charlatans like Jordan Peterson falsely told them they would be.
Normally not someone to watch one of your videos due to engrained opposition from what I'm used to listening to over the years from political UA-camrs. So glad I did watch this because I love being able to find common ground with someone who I probably wouldn't have too much to do within terms of political alignment. Maybe I've changed or maybe we all have a bit more in common than we care to admit. May have to stick around a bit more. Very insightful Laci and highly appreciated gaining a new perspective on a pre-existing opposition.
"nauseating performative wokeness"
I think about that phrase pretty much every day
My eyes and my ears enjoyed this video. Thanks Laci.
Mine too though they struggled for mental resources the whole time.
this is an absolutely brilliant take that deserves millions of views. thank you for finally putting so succinctly into words what i try so hard to convey myself.
It makes me very happy to see someone like Laci grow into such an empathetic person. Keep it up Laci, you're doing great work.
To me, cancel culture feels like, "this person said something I don't like, they need to personally pay and suffer for saying this thing".
Oops, there you go "feeling" again!
That's all it really is, tbh. Virtue signalling from your alleged "moral betters" (most of whom do nothing useful for society, just destroy). If there's one thing I've learned in the last decade of observing politics and culture, it's that empathy, sympathy, and compassion can be used to tyrannize you just as easily as wealth, fear, and force.
That's why it's not justice, it's retribution and spite.
Right on point. Points, actually. Damn, you're precious Laci.
Wow it's actually been a very long time since I've seen a Lacy Green video but I'm so glad this video in particular was recommended to me. It's really nice to see somebody who actually has left leanings like myself who also understands that cancel culture is not really a good thing. Usually most people who are on the left are incapable of seeing a different point of view and just feel the need to take offense offense offense and don't do anything to go against cancel culture and always just follow it no matter who's being attacked for literally any reason
I too have had issues of this sort, people blackballing me without hearing me out.
For those who enjoyed this video, I HIGHLY recommend the videos on this topic by Contrapoints and Lindsay Ellis. Both were victims of targeted harassment and made excellent video essays on cancel culture
And neither have any idea what cancel culture is. They cry censorship when they had the barest slap on the wrist, when cancel culture ruins the lives of those it actually hits that aren't strong and independent enough to absorb the blow.
@@supercalifragic1551 oh cool, someone in the wild who that video was actually about
Yes, I like Lindsay Ellis' video. Most videos standing up against generic "cancel culture" often come off like defensively opposing accountability
@@DrakenWolfwood The video was about people that know Lindsey and Contra have long been part of the mob that ruined people's lives?
I’m so glad laci has come down to earth. I remember back when she was all over the internet for bad takes. Maybe she still has those views or I’ve changed but she seems a lot more reasonable to me.
Love this video! You put things into perspective, when my thoughts spiral out of control. Thank you for sharing your wisdom!
Possibly the best breakdown of cancel culture I've ever seen. Love your work. I was a fan years ago, and now I'm back. Very insightful.
Omg she is incredibly gorgeous
UA-cam has not recommended a single video from you in the last year. Notifications turned on.
UA-cam cancelled her.
jk.
In actual event, it's likely because you might have skipped one/two of her videos, and so YT stopped putting them in your face. That's how the algorithm works. You literally can't miss a video, otherwise it'll start skipping them, or not showing them entirely. The algorithm thinks that you're no longer interested, and that if you don't click, you'll go off platform.
@@madness1931 Not true, not even close, UA-cam shoves shit in my face I've never watched regularly and often recommends me channels I haven't watched in awhile.
@@madness1931 notifications Ideally should be reliable. Why else have that feed?
Another great video, love hearing your takes. Very impressive the quality of content you put out there days, good stuff. Also amazing rack, really makes the video more pleasant to watch.
Hey, Laci. Nice to know you are still thriving and doing well.