Who Will Break First? Me or The Geico Orange County Chopper? (Unfixable)
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Hey Craig.. from past experience with GM, Ford, and other EFI systems, I've always found that the TPS needs to have a certain amount of 'preload' on the rheostat in order to work properly from idle to WOT. On GM, back when the TPS was actually somewhat adjustable, you could read the voltage off the third leg, and it was usually set around .52 vdc (on a 5 vdc scale, with 5 vdc being WOT). If the TPS is all the way relaxed (0.00 vdc), the computer doesn't have a reference voltage to determine idle speed, and the timing, and the idle air control (IAC) will be all over the place. That is at least part of the reason the idle dropped down when you turned the TPS with a screwdriver! Hope this helps.😉
@The_Bearded_Mechanic
Hey Craig,
that idle building up sounds similar to a problem I had lately. Made me nuts... no air leak anywhere.
Solution was, that the exaust-valve had no play at all and didn't close properly when the engine was warm.
When starting up, everything went normal, due to the valve beeing cold. After a few minutes the proplem appears.
You WILL make this run!
Greetings from Germany
24:25 because its a "brushed electric motor" you halfwit 😂😂😂
32:20 could the weak fuel pump when wired correctly be caused by only getting 12v at low amperage by the signal wire and NOT direct power from the battery? I had that issue once before when building my cnc machine. Not enough amps to the laser, it was drawing ALL the electricity through the PWM signal from the computer. Oh, and it fried that circuit on my breakout board. My laser had 2 power sources: 12V 3A AND PWM from the computer. That's an issue with controlling ground not source. When you turn off or on ground, that means you cut off all source where you want to have 2 sources: 1 with enough amperage to power the motor correctly and 1 low amperage to tell a relay to go on and or off.
Nice
You should call discovery channel and offer them a new tv program where you go around the country trying to fix all the OCC choppers
That would be sick
Craig doesn’t need that amount of
Stress
No, on the TV shows. We're watching on UA-cam for a reason. More detail and no manufactured drama. All the UA-camrs that got TV shows end up with a sub-par product.
The Discovery channel budget might not be big enough...
Yes, that's an incredible idea
The fact that this guy A - actually mapped out a diagram when he designed the system, and B - still had the file to give you 9 years later, just shows the level of professionalism from this guy.
I've been rewiring/designing wiring harnesses for forty-plus years now. They have been mostly custom one-offs on almost anything you care to name. I always give the owner a copy of the diagram and I keep at least one copy myself. On the shelf behind me is an A4 binder with hand-drawn custom wiring diagrams as far back as 1985; from about 1992 I started doing them electronically but I still have copies of those too. I don't do it professionally but I keep everything I ever do - just in case!
I have digital records of all my work for more than twenty years... Take your participation ribbons somewhere else.
@Failure_Is_An_Option - why so angry? Did you buy an OCC bike, too?
If there was ANY level of professionalism in that bike, it would run.
aren't we a salty b%#ch
Amongst the many ludicrous things wrong with this bike, I love the "air cleaner" the most. It cleans the air outside of the bike by sucking in dust, debris, small birds and wayward toddlers and putting them safely into the engine. Great design!!
😂😂😂😂😂😂🙌🏾
I burst out laughing when he pulled off the "air cleaner" and the text appeared on screen 😂😂
Filters out everything larger than a golf ball.
Bahahaha 😂
Now that's funny, I don't care who you are....
Im glad this video blew up for craig and thr crew. All this insane work is paying off. Now i cant wait to see this thing actually run properly.
Something about having a supercharger 6 inches from your chest just feels stupid.
yep ditch the super charger spinning belts of death by your face and remove crazy brackets, match yellow paint nice and put turbo down low on it now you have clean, safe power problem solved
As a promotional piece, it was not meant to be practical. It was supposed to insane and over the top, and they certainly accomplished that.
It didn’t even need to run to accomplish their goal, if that tells you anything.
@jimharle6217 - Like riding with a live grenade just a hand span from your torso. You're just there to catch the shrapnel.
Feels American*
You'll never get into Valhalla with that attitude, Jerrrry.
Mad props to Stephen for helping on this so much when in reality he didn't have to especially the way customer service is now but he has been helping in anyway possible shows a lot about him the company and the pride in the products and work he does!!
He did it for the good publicity. He’s a good dude but hey your names on a bike that doesn’t work do you want that on your reputation
Being in the public eye and counting on those UA-cam views isn't why he did it at all. 😂
What do you mean "the way customer service is now"? Unless you are dealing with huge corporations, businesses now know we have so many options and they compete on service. I always try to use smaller companies when possible and 90% of the time have great success with customer service when I need it.
@@danokerr9929good point.
I always thought he was a UFC fighter🤷♂️
It's like quantum physics - the fuel pump only works when you're not looking at it.
🤣 double slit experiment.
It’s Schroedinger’s fuel pump.
Exactly,I bought a motorcycle clock which only works when it’s not on the bike
If you measure the tire spinning forwards it's a gurrentee the rear tire is spinning in opposite direction. No matter where that tire is in the universe 😅
Haha. Nice!!! I heard that stuff. It’s only there when not looking at it. !! Hahaha.
OCC bikes are not well made. All for looks and shouldn't really ever be started. You are a brave man...
Looks, you say? And I thought, all those years, that the show was about irony, apparently I was wrong and there are people that really like these... Let's say bikes.
Minor wiring issues - not a big deal.
Yeah. Factory Harleys are bad enough1
OCC bikes were designed to look pretty at corporate events…. Nothing more.
Thats not true the Metallworks the Frames are all Fantastic State of Art the Spezial Bullshit on the Engine makes it Stupid with an normal Engine you would have a long time fun with this bike
I love that the chopper was so unfinished the supercharger not only doesn't do anything...it wasn't even programmed to work.
He said he pulled all the power out of the tune to prevent anyone from doing something unsafe. The plan was to add the performance tune back but he never heard back.
Supercharger not programmed? 😊
Let's not be hasty here, it's hard to say how many hands have been on that bike since leaving OCC.
@@LeoTheComm Let's not be hasty and come right out and say everything occ every built was over priced garbage no one uses
@@legion7478 Oh wow, you actually bought one? So I take it you base your opinion on first hand experience or are you just a know it all who is ticked off that your mommy won't let have a motorcycle?
12:11 smoke machine. Seriously useful tool in any ICE shop. There's even some, specifically made for being piped through and into motors. Useful for exhaust leaks, useful for valve issues, intake leaks, fuel leaks (yeah, that too) and more. For how little they occupy and bite your wallet, not having one is a disservice. I'd get one that comes with a plate kit (meant to be sealed against the face of an intake), hoses and various fittings.
They use mineral oil?
@@Sam590ss Any light oil. At a push I've used baby oil
Glad somebody said it!
Great suggestion, I just bought the Autool machine on Amazon for 80 bucks and it would’ve saved me many thousands if I bought it years ago. Great kit.
I was just coming here to say the same thing!
I took a sip of beer every time you said, 'this wiring harness was made specifically for this bike', got drunk and fell asleep before the end of the video.
I wasn’t going to say it. Worthy of a like.
Exactly like saying Um Um Um Um Um to eat air time so you can have a video to post.
You missed a whole lot of youtube ads as well as in-video ads.
Exactly right. Also, some moron thought that RTV is a gasket and bolted everything together with only RTV. Idiotic. As soon as the first component was removed without any gasket showing the entire bike should have been disassembled top to bottom, gaskets built, and put together by some that has ever worked on mechanical devices. Anyone that has knows knows that the uploader has never built anything in his life. Every single thing about this, from the diagnosis method, to the identification of the problems, to the solution is high school level thinking. This level of incompetence would have not gotten you a job as a gas station mechanic or an auto parts store clerk in 1985, forget about nowadays, lol.
Steven is a really great guy and could solve this in half a cigarette if it was in his shop. Totally worth the trip!!
Not true. I guess he had asked before it was shipped out if he could hold the bike and get it running properly. Likely because his name was on it. And all he wanted was to be able to bill for his time. And they said no. If this was a quick fix he woulda never been wanting to bill for his time.
Part 17 of the OCC saga. "All show, no go" pretty much recaps the adventure so far
And honestly it doesn't look that great either😅
Sounds like an apt description for Harley Davidson lol
I see lots of diagnostic lessons were learned. This is why after 17 years in automotive fixing all makes from 1920s-2020s, I still learn something every single day! Great job!
Hi, you are the great car doctor.
I'd love to see the Tuttle's forced to work together to make their old projects functional.
hahaha.. even better. a series where each member of the occ crew has to pick one of their show bikes and roadtrip them across country, fixing all the screw ups along the way. granted, it might take the majority of the first season just to get the bikes going well enough to leave the city they have to start in.. LOL
Considering they couldn't make them work the first time.....
On the show, junior usually was outback with his hand down.His pants fondling his junk and not doing anything
Please no!
Ugh, you're probably one of 100 people on earth who'd want to see that.
with a air leak you can spray a small amount of brake cleaner or carb cleaner near where there could be leaks, if it revs up then you know where the leak is.
That thing is a rolling clusterfuck. Classic OCC. Comment no. 2000.
never liked the show or the bikes..
guy made a ton of money jumping into the chopper fad.
Guys like Indian Larry and Dave Perewitz are the real deal and real gentlemen too.
RIP Indian Larry
From Germany. The error is quite simple.
The fuel pressure jumps back and forth, but is not regulated. However, this is necessary depending on the speed and pressure from the compressor if you do not have a lambda sensor.
As there is no lambda sensor installed, you have to install a fuel pressure regulator behind the pump and connect the sensor line between the cylinder and the compressor. The fuel pressure rises and falls with the pressure from the compressor. The injection nozzles then inject more or less fuel at the same cycle time (!) because the fuel pressure rises with the compressor pressure. This is technology from the 1960s and 70s.
Fuel pressure regulation has to happen. A regulator!!!
ya thats what was confusing me. the fuel pump SHOULD run all the time and have a constant fuel pressure. idk how ANY fuel injected motor would run right without regulated consistent fuel pressure.
Hard to imagine it ever ran right without some kind of regulation. I wonder if whoever worked on it last had no understanding how EFI works and just plumbed it like you would for a very crude carb setup. Even some carb setups need regulation if you update anything above factory, and this bike is custom from front to back.
It's possible the output pressure from the pump is matched to the EFI requirements like some factory setups are I suppose. That would seem unlikely with all the forced induction variables, but not impossible. I guess we're going to find out as this project progresses.
@@woopimagpie The amount of cars I have worked on where some old bloke used to carbs tried to apply carb fixes to EFI systems is absurd.
My current truck had the anti-diesel screw turned all the way out and holes drilled in the airbox, because it had a bad MAF sensor that had overstressed and ruined the IAC. Previous owner knew enough about engines to know there was an air mixture problem, but didn't take the 2 seconds to look up things that could cause that on an EFI. Tried adjusting the idle with something that looked like a carb adjustment, and when that didn't work just went crazy with a drill.
you can see the regulator on the pump assembly in the tank. it is a dead head system, not a boost reference regulator. This is fine, you can tune around this and it's not a big deal. The fact the pump was always on is not an issue for it running. It is only a safety issue.
Was just built to be eye candy for Geico & they didn't even want it anymore.
Why anyone would pay for a vehicle with GEICO on it escapes me.
They didn't actually need it. Think about how many times 'Geico' and 'Geico bike' have now been mentioned...It's about advertisiing.
Eye candy? It has to be the most fucked up engineering abortion ever conceived.
@@CosmoLogical-p6fYou haven't spent enough time looking at "custom" engineering.
@@CosmoLogical-p6f some of these bikers want that "rare" "one of a kind" abortion. "yea i want puke green advertisment for geico" where how it looks and how weird it is matter more than if its a good bike. OCC bread and butter. some of them do look really cool but like alot of supercars ect owning one can kinda sucks
The smoke that visibly trailed out in your wake when you opened the garage door is sending me.
I didn't know that Orange County made motorbikes, I thought that it was a reality programme about dysfunctional families !
The dad was the only one that was dysfunctional. He was/is a toxic person.
😂😂😂😂
@OneManParade you run a garage? I give him a little slac, he was smart enough to take money from discovery channel and somehow get people to buy the garbage they glued together. Only worth any of the bikes has is maybe the engine
@@cobygogarty7365 OK, but his Village People moustache put me off in the first place 😀
At first one could see manufacturing happening. Then it became a joke of dumb acting people actually acting dumber. I quit watching.
I remember my dad, a lifelong mechanic, constantly complaining that OCC were bad at making bikes. He'd often say similar things like how it would be hard to fix them, etc. One complaint I remember vividly was they always painted the parts before making sure they all fit together, thus making even more work when they inevitable had to change something and then repaint the whole thing
I never saw OCC as trying to make a real bike. They just bashed what they thought was looking cool together and didn't care about it actually working or being safe. The safety was the least important thing to them.
Now I remember that there were some other show where they took someone's car, rebuilt it and refinished it in a few days. That was pretty similar, though sometimes they did surprise me by doing quality work. I have wondered about those more questionable builds they did. Just how long did it take before they fell apart, and were they worth trying to save after that? I also might be confusing a couple of different series. I remember one episode when they built a truck for Stallone, modeled after a truck in one of his 90's movies. In another episode they rebuilt a really old Porsche really well, making it look like new. It belonged to an older gentleman who had been "rebuilding it" for a couple of decades but now had been diagnosed with cancer and really never would have been able to put it all together again. Like I said I'm not sure they were even in the same series. Still wonder if the quality of their work was any good.
Can you imagine Paul Sr.'s mentality when he knows what he just made was a POS shell but signed off on every one of those bikes.
@@blahorgaslisk7763Pimp my ride was one of those shows, i know i saw a video about one of their rides here on UA-cam.
@@pauls5745why would he care. They made tons of money and elevated their business profile. They only benefited from the made for tv motorcycle fascination
OCC bikes were show pieces at best. They were never meant for serious riders. It was fun watching them design and build the stuff, but riding one never crossed my mind. The Geico build looks like the most uncomfortable motorcycle ever built in history. It's shocking that they lost everything....LOL
The blower is likely sucking air past that throttle body. There may be an idle air bypass that needs to be blocked off or regulated.
The idle air bypass has been on my mind the entire video. Not sure how that should be working on the supercharger, but if it's downstream of the pressure right now it's causing issues.
and wouldnt you just check it by spraying carb cleaner around all the joints that might be leaking? Listening for changes to the idle while you do it. thats how we do it with cars. I am no motorcycle expert, but it was a little frustrating to see so much speculation, when you can actually check these things pretty directly. The idle speed is usually controlled by that idle air bypass, and if you are idling at 2600 that is not working as you said. Fix the easiest problem first, work on the map second. Hell i would disable the whole idle air bypass system and just use minimum air at the throttle blades to keep it simple until its all sorted. The TPS thing seemed kinda silly too. the program was up on the computer, they could see what the TPS was saying. If it wasnt reading zero, the wiring harness might be complicated but the TPS is 3 wires usually, and you can follow those into the cpu. That needs to be sorted before you do anything else. It just didnt seem like they were having intermittent problems, or unreproducible problems. Those are the ones that drive you insane. The problems seemed very straightforward and fixable. But its hard to tell from a just the video thats meant to be entertaining, and thats fair, i get they need to make interesting content.
This guy would need to buy a clue to get one. He is checking for vacuum leaks on the output side of the blower. What the... even if it wasn't making boost it would have sufficient pressure on that side not to be an issue. Clearly the VACUUM leak is on the inlet side of the blower. And why did he need to be told to check for a vacuum leak? Anyone that has ever experienced a vacuum leak knows that it idles high, why wasn't this a first step before anything else was looked at? Then there was the whole look at the engine change when I turn the TPS. Well duh, you are altering timing you are altering the amount of fuel being delivered, even if you don't move the throttle blade it is going to alter the revs. Where is the spray bottle to detect the vacuum leak. Again any mechanic that has ever fixed a vacuum leak starts with spraying around the suspected area to see if the revs alter as the water plugs the leak. He hasn't even looked at the most obvious place the vacuum leak is going to be. The TPS is connected to a shaft that goes through the throttle body. There is going to be a bearing in there. Good chance it is sucking air through those bearings. They probably don't have seals on them, or the clearances are too big.
@johnhertel3931 . +1 on the carb cleaner. That was my go-to back in the day for intake leaks. Add a water sprayer to find electrical issues.
@@wetsox278 I don't think he wanted to get any spray on the paint but he could have used Propane.
This episode was so satisfying!!! I am not a mechanic but like a lot of your viewers I dabble when the need arises. Your patience and knowledge is impressive!!! Thanks
Back in the day, we would spray carb cleaner in the area of a suspected air leaks. If the idle changed, you found your leak.
starter fluid as well
Brake cleaner too
Exactly! Find your air leak in a couple minutes
Propane torch works too. No flame of course.
@natec599 oh that's a new one thanks
I don't think they should be destroyed, but at the same time, i can't take anyone saying they're functional bikes on, without laughing a bit. I really liked the early OCC bikes, that were slightly more traditional... but the later stuff went off the deep end for views and ... that's what ducked them. They weren't a business for business, but rather a business for views on Discovery. Which is a mistake you wouldn't think people with previous businesses like they had, would make. Business is business, views are views, popularity and fame are separate as well. You don't mix them, only Jason Statham is Jason Statham.
I'm Jason Statham
@@M.TTT. I'm Jason Statham and so is my wife!
Junk be gone is all I have to say.😂😂😂😂
IKR? In the show finale, Jr. won the build-off with that horrifyingly grotesque giant-wheeled monstrosity. Jesse James' bike was clearly better.
@@BillKurnparroting are you?
Man, what a challenge. I had a similar headache back in the day with my Yamaha RZ350. For weeks I tore it down, built it up, tore it down, built it up and then one day through so much online searching (this is back in early 2000 when info on the web was minimal btw) I seen a guy mention he encountered a similar thing to me and suggested talking to this old warhorse in California who had been a mechanic working on racing these bike since day one. I called him, he flat out said "I know what it is". Just like that. He said "send me the brain box and x dollars and I will fix your problem". So, sent him the little black box (a factory sealed unit) and got it back a few weeks later and get this... he put a half inch dowel across it and held in place by two pipe clamps. This added pressure from the dowel across the unit on a specific area. That was the fix. I plugged it in and ran that bike for years until I sold it. Jenky fix? You bet. Sure, he could have told me over the phone what to do... I was a bit annoyed by that. But... I got to enjoy my ride finally. Electrical issues on bikes can drive you mad.
You didn't pay him for his time or some elegant solution. You paid him for his experience, knowing what the problem was, and the fix. Maybe the fix was 'jenky' but . . . it worked and that was enough.
@@steveschainost7590💯 it's 5 bucks for the parts and 100 bucks for knowing where to put the parts.... Everyone knows that😂😂😂😂
Dry joint
@@mikeg7411 Reminds me of this reddit story where a locomotive engineer was forced into retirement cause he only knew how to do things the old way. Then they call him up to fix a problem with an old engine they couldn't figure out how to get the train moving (for some anniversary thing). Basically charges them an arm and a leg along with the travel costs, has them start it up, listens to it then whacks a couple locations with a mallet which fixes the problem they were having.
TITAN and BIG DOG made nice custom style bikes, decent quality, and actually rideable.
I was always amazed at how the OCC crew ran into the same problems show after show after show... I learn from my mistakes and strive not to repeat them.
They built em to look pretty in a lobby and maybe rolled on stage and revved up at a corporate get together. Stuck together well enough to be a giant billboard
Now, now, let's not be too hasty.
that problem is perfect for reality TV at this spot in the episode, think of the money.
That camera deletes your hand like a middle school shop teacher.
Add a beer coolie so it looks like your in the hold my beer mode 😂
Shop teachers are the best and of course the hot cafeteria girl sheesh 😅
🤣🤣
He worked em to the nub on this unit
@@michi_danksta
@screwhead4202
@slowstang88
@charliepatterson9321
I will never forget Mr. Martinez from the 7th ad 8th grade, he cut off his thumb and ring finger on his left hand.
His wife was so damn hot, we never figured out how he landed her.
We were young...
Every parent should watch your videos just to show what staying calm looks like. Your patience is unmatched
The plastic chair would disagree.
his job is fun, if he were a nurse maby not so jolly.
@chrisdee8957 maybe nurses find their jobs fun also . There's no point to what you just said
100
The magic of hours of video shot and edited.
That is the most incredible effort on a lost cause I've ever seen. This guy is the living St Jude of our time. The bike runs great and it's still un-ride-able.
Who could sit on that seat? Like a medieval torture device.
I think now it's used for those operations to make Men into Women.
I'm not really sure you should even call it a seat...
It's a toob, innit.
It might be OK on something as smooth as a railway track.
My hemmeroids wouldn't mind the gaps in the seat 😂
To anyone watching in the UK it's obvious what is needed to get the bike running properly. It's called an Alan milyard. 👍
I don't think that genius will be interested, Alan's brain power is way above that of Mr Tuttle, Alan builds real bikes.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Alan wouldn't go near these "Mr.Potato bikes....even if Henry bought it for 10p and had tea and cupcakes at the ready.❤
@@earl6969😂😂😂
I'm pretty sure like me Allen Millyard isn't really interested in working on anything that requires a computer to run. 😆
You are not his friend.
Having no experience working on one, I was given a 24 year old YZ125 that had been sitting for at least a decade. It had no compression and a multitude of other little issues all over the bike. I tore it down over a few weekends. I rebuilt the carb, honed the cylinder, put in a new piston and rebuilt a lot of other smaller things on the bike. It’s now running exceptionally well and I’ve taken it out for a few rides at this point. Thanks for being an inspiration!
Two strokes ! They just run.
@@johnberry2877 Until the crank seals go lol. I hope the person above replaced their 24 year old seals. Long live two strokes!
125 L yes?....I have g and h😊
@@ElementalDonnie I did!
Fixing the bike was an emotional roller coaster now imagine building it
Throwing a bunch of stuff together without worrying whether or not it functions doesn't actually seem that difficult.
Craig, this series has aged you. You started out looking like ....well you. At the end of the vlog, you look like Heston in the Ten Commandments movie, after he came back from the mountain!
I can actually see the resemblance. So can we say that this has been a religious experience for Craig?
Lolololol
Next video, the ten commandments of wrenching, only available behind a paywall.
That's because Charleston Heston was trying to play a black guy 😂
The only good thing to come out of OCC is the ability for all you guys to make this content fixing their garbage.
It also didn't blow a huge puff of black smoke when it fired up after getting the fuel pump to stop. Probably because it wasn't forcing an overload of fuel pressure into the injectors. Don't give up. You'll get it. We all have faith.
You have many tenacity units. More than most. Love watching your methodical approch to the repairs. Im learning how to swear less and enjoy the process of figuring out problems by watching this channel. Thank you sir.
I am old,74.That show was sad. Riding since 12, legal at 14 for 6.5 hp motorcycle in Nevada. All it was was TV fiction, and it looked good.
When it first came on tv...it was fun to watch. Then the idiot-drama & arguments just got dull.
Never watched it but I knew what it was.
Anyone who rides knew that the bikes were for show. They're nice looking bikes but they had 1.5 to 2.5 gallon fuel tanks, stiff or no suspension, and bars set in the most uncomfortable positions. They were building bar hopper bikes at the most.
Duhh old man
Yea. Gear head here. Those fools are just that. And they were never as good as Indian Larry (RIP).
Huge credit and thank-you Craig and crew! Big thanks to that original tech guy who put it together originally for his patience too. Enjoyed your excitement and felt your frustrations! 😊
Omg!!! I Love the conversation with Paul Sr.😅😂😂😅 "Whats the Waurantee on this bike?""
90feet or 90seconds whatever happens first.
Friends don't let friends drive OCC Choppers 😂
Just shows Paul señor his true personality
@@SoDogtravels Sr. Has a bad reputation in Dayton that's why he's on the West coast of Florida.
"ride" . . .
@@waynepantry7023 Yup I missed that 😂🤣
Tell yaself what to do lil fella
Good job - I hate electrical gremlins... for a reason, props to you for sticking with it and fixing the child of dubious heritage that is this bike!
I had to deal with an interment left turn signal problem on a car for years. When I tried to fix it, no problems. Then get back on the road and no turn signal about 15% of the time. I never did get it fixed before the transmission went out. Now that 15 year old car is the junkyard's problem.
If you remember the show, they had constant electrical gremlins on many of their bikes.
All the Orange County Chopper bikes were polished turds... They sure did take customers to the cleaners with them... 😮
But they were mostly rather pretty when parked in a highly visible spot. At least for a day or so.
Correct.
OCC : it was all about the show.
They were pretty much actors....ACTING as if they were bike builders.
There was the proposal here for a follow-up series, to try to fix all these OCC crapheaps. I'd call it, "Fix or Flame?" where you decide whether a thing is fixable or should be ritually destroyed. In the case of this ugly heap, independent of its problems, the outcome is too obvious to warrant an episode.
it was a reality TV show. They made show bikes. I wouldn't call them art, but they're definitely just for display. I'd be surprised if they run for more than just the showing. I also don't think anyone was taken to the cleaners. We all know the deals on Pawn Stars were fake, with many paid actors as the customers. This is all promo stuff to make a show and advertise for the company of the week. And don't get me wrong, I don't even like these bikes, but reality TV is reality TV.
OCC walked so SEEMA trucks could run (well not actualy run)
Patience....Patience.....Is the true hallmark of a great Mechanic....
You should get a smoke machine for checking for air leaks. They will save you MANY headaches when looking for airl leaks!
I'm kind of surprised he didn't even use the old "spray brake clean around fittings to see if idle speed picks up" trick. Not to mention that TPS needs to be calibrated. Dude seemed a bit out of his depth.
I cannot even imagine someone saying with excitement "this build was 'managed' by Paul Sr.!" and thinking this is NOT what you'd be dealing with. lol. Good on everyone involved for taking this project on.
Sure! When Paul Sr. Was blackout drunk!!😂😂😂
Happy Birthday Craig! 🎉 When it comes to vacuum leaks, trick I use is; start it, take a UNLIT propane torch, pass it along hoses, connections etc, if the motor revs up, you've found your leak.
starting fluid does the same while running..it will suck it in...there's the leak
Yes, a propane wand does wonders at pin pointing the leak.
To find air leaks a old mechanic taught me to use acetylene torch. Just put the acetylene low then use it as a wand around the engine and you'll hear an increase in rpm as you get close to the leak. Don't worry, you won't blow up.😅
An old mechanic....oops
My hats off to you for trying so hard to get this expensive boat anchor running right. Me personally I would have quit after about the first hour and just stripped everything off of it that actually does work and put it all on a frame that makes sense and been happy just to have a running bike. This really speaks volumes about OCC and their fan boys who say they build awesome stuff. Personally I've only seen nightmares and garbage come out of the OCC shop.
Ripping off all the non-functional crap and selling it might pay for a decent used frame.
Or just install a newer more updated EFI system that is easier to tune and then you would know what you are working with,he would have less time in the bike by now for sure
The call into Paul Sr. had me rolling.
ware in the video was that call?
I was doing bong hits. With the price of weed, smoking a doobie is wasteful.
@@apctech1 starts at 7:09 into the video
@@jimwarrer5612 thank you
@@jimwarrer5612 its plane as day both calls are staged for the video :)
Someone at OCC has been watching thei series laughing in their big pile of cash.
If you're ok with being known as a hack and a fraud forever in exchange for a few dollars then I don't know what to tell you. Not sure I'd ok with it. I'm a contractor and I like my good reputation. I doubt I'd ever sellout. I'm not motivated by money.
I was on a flight from Tampa to Raleigh a couple of weeks ago and saw Paul Sr. The TSA dudes wanted to take pics of him with his wife. He still looks and dresses the same as on the show and his wife had so much plastic surgery she looked like a toy. Anyway, long story short, he was on the same Delta flight as I was to Raleigh, NC and had a basic economy ticket and sat in the very back of the plane....hmmm
sr. is broke, jr. has a functioning business and is doing quite well from what I hear.
@@joshe1165 "sat in the very back of the plane" , those are the seats where people potentially survive crashes.
OC Chopper bikes are not pieces of art, or rideable. They are, in fact, pieces of she-it.
😂😂😂
They were just cake decorators and poor ones at that.
@@mongoblazingsaddles9440 👍👍
yeah, OCC "bikes" is ugly, useless, and a massive financial mistake.
The ground signal coming from the ECU is to trigger the relay. Fuel pump goes to ground, power wire for fuel pump goes to relay 87, relay 86 and 30 go to fused 12v (heavy gauge wire enough to run a fuel pump), and the 85 pin goes to your ECU. Also I can guarantee that fuel pump running all the time is not your issue. You can run a fuel pump straight to the battery and it’s not going to affect how the tune works. Fuel pumps aren’t progressive or throttled in anyway, they just run. I bet you have an e85 tune in that ECU so it’s adding too much fuel. To find the air leak just spray around the sealed surfaces with carburetor cleaner and see when it bogs down. It’s probably not even that though, I bet it’s bouncing between timing in the tune. I think that bike just needs a new tune and it will be fine. I’d do a compression test to be sure but it should be good to go.
I came to the comments to say exactly this. I’m surprised they didn’t burn out the ground trace in the ECU by running a fuel pump ground through the ECU.
Also surprised they didn’t chuck an air/fuel sensor on the bike and pull all the excess fuel out of the idle as a start of it’s got a e85 tune in it.
I guess there is a possibility the injectors are way too big for a pump gas tune.
💯 nailed it. Ecu outputs are almost never designed for high current (like that which a fuel pump draws) thus the reason there are so many relays on fuel injected vehicles. This guy trying to do electrical diag was literally making my head hurt, like when he said I don't think there should be continuity between the positive and ground wires going into the fuel pump, if there was no continuity it would indicate the pump was no good (or a bad wire going into the pump). This guy seems like the type that if given a power probe would be frying ECUs, sensors, and other components because he just supplies power to everything.
Thumbs up and bump. I hope they see your comment.
Yes to all of that. The video betrays its creator's almost total ignorance of common fuel injection technologies and diagnostics. The whole fuel pump thing was totally irrelevant. While it may have been wired incorrectly, its SUPPOSED to be on whenever the engine is spinning, and it doesn't have a variable state, so that issue shouldn't affect running.
Craig is so personable, so relatable, made this channel one of the most "watchable" UA-cam channels.
You really are brilliant at what you do Craig. Personally I would of dug a 10 foot hole in my garden and just buried the thing. Good on you for sticking with it. I absolutely love your channel and what you do. All the best from the UK.
I would have taken it for a last ride, with a long ride off a short peir. Sure, you have a swim back to shore, but it would be worth it,
Definitely would check into the Alaska cliff car dive.
or just swap some Japanese/ italian engine there.
Great video! Im an industrial Instrument Tech and the emotions of trouble shooting complex problems are what they are no matter the problem. I enjoyed watching you figuire it out. Ive learned, just dont quit and use your knowledge and work through the smack downs and eventually youll get it. Ive spent cou tless hours at work working on process getting whooped amd not knowing what to do. The operator will say man just go home come back tomorrow but the expectation is i stay until my 16hrs is up or fix it, so i stay and alot of times after walking away for 30 mins i can come back and solve the problem. Troubleshooting is troubleshooting no matter the Industry.
An inductive load will always have continuity because all it is, is a wire in a coil and typically have 5 to 60 ohms of resistance
OC Choppers at least painted it the perfect color. From what I have heard, all of their bikes should have been lemon yellow.
👍 or 💩 brown.
"Never Go Full Jank" needs to be some Bearded Mechanic merch. 😆🤞🏻🤞🏻
YES
The phone calls were hilarious. Your wholesome attitude makes this an extremely watchable channel.
I don't know about America but in Australia I work as an auto electrician. We basically take over when the electrical is out of hand for the mechanics. You had a good crack and had people giving you great advice. For me. It was exciting to see a good video of custom work with electrical issues. Feels like it's way too often dodgy mechanical haha
Worked on Mercedes Benz for 7 yrs as a dealer tech, factory trained. One electrical problem,that wasn't " run of the mill", ( not many are) usually wore me out way more than any physical work on the cars.
Electrical issues definitely can warp the mind chasing it down
Not a mechanic - just someone that occasionally fixed stuff (alternator replacement, stereo stuff, clutch replacement, etc.) and the electrical stuff always yeeted my patience out of the solar system.
@@michaelm.1947 The word " machanic" can be pretty broad and inclusive. Plenty of run of the mill mechanics , who taught me stuff. Some days on some things, I am super duper! Other days, Mr Dud!
I did the fabrication on this bike. the amount of hands that got into that bike after it left occ is the real problem that caused all that. Its awesome you were able to iron it out! Steve Thompson was super impressive to work with
I suspect the Tuttles started to outsource more of the work they usually did in house when they realized they had a brand with OCC. The empty giant OCC building in New York is proof that they grew too fast and didn’t manage their business better
@@matthewcaughey8898 I happened to drive by that building once. I thought it would be in an iconic location but it's like the corner of a shopping plaza.
Not personally impressed with the ride-ability of this bike, but the craftsmanship certainly is impressive. Nice work.
That motor cycle was built as a prop for advertising boats. It was NOT built as a genuine ride. It was built to the buyers specification and has erroneously fallen into unknowing critics hands!
So what? That doesn't mean they couldn't make it work by putting in The bare minimum amount of effort.
Paul Sr is always fun to listen to even when he’s angry.
'........ when he's angry???'
He's angry when he's asleep!!!
Watched it through to the end. Looking forward to seeing the man who gave you all that help over the phone. A class act! And yet,...another good one here. Cheers! 👍
John Bosley
So 4 months ago this bike was on Bikes and Beards, and that guy who did the wiring had offered to buy it for $15k. Now he's on the phone telling you how to fix it, lol.
That was a great deal 4 months ago. 10K for the trailer included? All win.
And I bet when Bearded Mechanic Channel is done getting it running, they might offer it to the guy who built the blower and such. I would love to see him do motorcross or a desert run with it.
@@1000YearHomesright
U do know that he’s fixing this bike FOR Sean of bikes n beards right? lol. This is Sean’s mechanic from before Sean moved from PA. Lmao
OCC Mickey moused the fuel pump with zip ties??!! Nice!!👍
Most of OCC bikes were complete failures because Paul Sr. wanted a custom theme bike done in one week and he would go into a roid rage if Paul Jr. wasn't working fast enough.
Half of the build week also had to be dedicated to cleaning up the shop because Senior would throw fits if one wrench was out of place. 🤣
Could have been done if Sr. would have shared some of his stash.
Would've been funny if you called Geico costumer service.
OMG that would have been great!
@@The_Bearded_Mechanic Ask to talk to the Gecko.
In one of the builds they had to notch the frame to fit the engine and transmission in. Most builders use a mock- up engine to build up a custom frame
The Tuttles were by season 2 and 3 for sure basically building corporate showpieces. They didn’t have to do much more then sit in a corporate HQ lobby or move more then a few hundred feet onto a stage. It’s all for not these days as they’re finding OCC custom bikes sitting abandoned in company warehouses or left in storage areas after the original company who commissioned it got bought out or it didn’t look “ environmentally conscious “ to have a now worthless 6 figure custom motorcycle in your lobby
Only Craig and Dan can make a 30 minute video about wiring interesting. Good job guys
Also thanks for answering my camera question from a few weeks ago
bro, I so feel you. hunting down wiring from someone else's disaster is an exercise in patience.
Take everything apart and go though every single wire just to put it all back basically the way it was and now for some reason it works! Gotta love electrical stuff!
And it'll not work next time too.
The “phone calls” to Leno and Sr. Was hilarious 😂
I really wasn't expecting that lol but the Sr phone call was funny af specially when he started cussing at the end 😂
That whole part is classic YT comedy. Everyone still talking about the supercharger like we don't know it's a dangerous POS made for TV. sorry....
You have the patience of a saint!! Cannot believe that this bike is so badly put together. Thank you
PLEASE DO NOT GIVE UP ON THIS BIKE!
That’s a bike?😮
Okay I was skeptical when I saw this pop up in my feed but honestly this is goddamn comedy gold
I don't like bikes, I'm more of a car guy, but after following all the drama I arrived here, then, after I saw this relentless mechanic work relentlessly I sub'd. This was awesome.
Is it art ? No. Is it junk? No. Is it OCC junk ? YES!!! 🤣🤣🤣Greetings from Berlin Germany. 🇩🇪🇺🇸
thing about this statement is there is junk that is also considered art lol
This thing is junk and it’s certainly not art.
Accurate.
Kudos for getting Geico bike running! Sounds so much better! Most folks would have given up.
Amazing. I love this bike & every person who touched this bike & didn't know what was going on . I'm thankful that the people who are around like you, Sir & the owner God bless you both
should have taken the $15K in the first episode of this mad journey...only positive is the guy got to figure out how to get it running
Take a look at how many views he's getting.
I think he made more money on the video 📹
One must first realize that entertainment was the goal of the TV show. Trying to convert that goal into a real motorcycle is just a fool's errand , and you wind up transferring the same fictional goal, entertainment, into a UA-cam video , unless you rebuild the entire deal. A lot more hammer adjustment than machinist's measurements were featured on that show.
Craig, you know what you really gotta do: Junk the blower, shitcan the computer, put a carb on it, an actual seat, bars you can reach, and just ride it.
That’s what I was thinking the whole time… sorry the nipple ripper just looks dumb…
Meh, the computer makes it easier, not harder.
@@GeorgeSmith-ze5vk nipple ripper, looool. The chest pest.
50 fiddy
@@JSMCPN Only if you know how it works, and how to fix it. If even The Mighty Beard struggled with it, what chance would the rest of us have??
I don't know anything about bikes but I love his down to earth snd funny presenting.
I would of used a new Bosch Universal 30amp 4-pin relay. Used the ECU Ground pin from that harness to hit pin 85. That can be your ground switch. Then Pin 86 can come from your ignition switch. Pin 30 will be from your battery. Then Pin 87 can go to the Positive side of your fuel pump. That way the ground can still control the pump and is activated by both your ignition switch and the ECU at the same time. Then you can ground the pump directly to the Chassis and your controlling the pump via power. I can tell the pump has an internal mechanical Fuel Pressure Regulator so you'd be all good to go... P.S For the Air Leak use a smoke machine used for evaporative emissions diagnostics. ;) But most of the time I comment useful information most content creators never read them. Good luck!
what you said is the correct way to wire the fuel pump.
Im like the man is pulling everything apart for a air leak jeez lots of extra work.
The guy across the street from where I managed a Chevrolet store bought Anna Nicole Smiths pink chopper. He was bragging how it’s gonna be worth a ton of money. It’s a collector’s item! He told us. The day it arrived we went over to look at this monstrosity. It literally looked like a group of 12 graders put it together in a high school shop project. It was terrible. I felt sorry for him because he spent a ton for it. As far as I know he still owns that pink turd.
@pinkturd!😂🤣😅🤣😂
@@CountryFenderBass I just looked it up, 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I can still remember back in the late 2000s how many "investors" around here ran out and bought PT Cruisers, the more garishly painted the better. "Collectors items, American made, sure to increase in value!". To this day I still see them rotting out next to the trailers of the people who bought them. A fool and his money are soon parted.
@@harveywallbanger3123 yup PT Cruiser were $5000 over sticker! That car and remember the Prowler?
@CountryFenderBass prowlers were uglier then the pt cruisers lol
Boat anchor is correct.
Wouldn't pollute our precious oceans with this pile.
The bike is THE poster child for the old saying "Chrome won't get ya home."
@@JSMCPNwhat chrome?
@@jakejames1977 i.e. The silly decorations that don't make the bike any faster, lighter, more comfortable, reliable or efficient.
Made only for a magazine pictorial. Looks great on paper but is actually worthless in reality.
Im halfway through and just want to say, this is what i love about anything you customize and build youself. Everything is unique and only just for it alone or just hard to find. And god forbid you give it to someone else 😂.
I installed a temporary cheap $20 eBay fuel pump into my Yamaha Royal Star while I waited for the OEM pump. The cheap pump rain non stop without shutting off. The OEM pump looked exactly the same only pumped when the bike needed fuel.
Look at these Cameos , Craig is moving up in the world
He just edited in sound clips, he wasn't actually talking to paul Sr and Leno 😂
wow @@volvo09
@@volvo09 No $hit, Sherlock!
Are you a moron? @@volvo09
That's Greg. He's the funny one.
Who needs OCC when you have The Beard Mechanic. This is way better than OCC ever was…..because it’s real.
17:45 this cloud of smoke he drags out of the shop. 😂
Solid troubleshooting. Good job. Takes a lotta want to and patience.
Yeah when you don’t have any idea
Yeah, I'm in the "boat anchor" camp.
Allen Millyard could sort out your problems, but you might end up with extra cylinders.