Green Beret Reacts to The Incredible True Story of The Siege of Jadotville
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You guys should cover the film "Danger Close" about the Battle of Long Tan with the Aussies in Vietnam.
Guys..please review Danger Close.
Be good to see some Aussie representation.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Long_Tan#:~:text=The%20Battle%20of%20Long%20Tan,Task%20Force%20(1%20ATF)
Won't let me in, keeps saying "try another country".
Definitely review Danger Close. Most people don’t know about Australia being in the Vietnam War
My dad was in jadotvile. He went out 3 days after i was born. He never spoke about what happened out there. They all came back alive which was incredable. I followed dad into the military and had 2 tours in Lebanon. My dad died shortly after they were recognised as heros. 22.00 12/6/24.
Great video guys. I was the military advisor on this movie back in 2015 . Trained all the cast, stunts and over 300 extras. I ran a two week in-depth boot camp with an excellent armoury team along side me. Not many productions will give me so much freedom and the respect to do it right. I ran all the military sequences, battles and even talked to brave Irish soldiers who fought in the battle. Interesting fact it's that Captain Quinlan's grandson had a small role in the movie. I spent a lot of time getting the Senior NCO into character. Bless them. They put in the work. All in all we had an incredible time shooting this in South Africa. Have a great weekend fellas. Dan Hirst
You did a superb job - I wasn't expecting much considering it wasn't a mainstream production, but once the gunfights got going, it was really gripping.
@@wnose thanks. The biggest difference between a big budget blockbuster flop and a low budget independent epic is whether everybody cares about the project and there is a good script. On many of the big budget movies many of those involved just seen it as a payday rather than a cool story to tell well. We were all passionate and felt fortunate to be telling this story
EXACTLY what the last person said! You good sir, even if you try to be humble, obviously did a MASSIVE job in making this such a good movie!!
I threw this movie on late one night in the background...
The story and cinematography got me immediately interested, but the battle scenes...! The battle scenes cemented it as my second most recommended movie "that you probably skipped past" lol
(Number 1 is Dredd with Urban)
@@TheDylls I definitely put my g heart into these projects and am very blessed to have been recommended for them. Thanks for your feedback. Making movies is my dream and it came true.
I'm proud of you about that statement able "they fatal funnel themselves"that tells me that you're actually learning something from buck and that you know more about tactics than you think you do👍👍
God bless those brave Irishmen. For the life of me, I cannot understand why their government made pariahs of them after they returned home...
It's complicated...
The usual reason. To cover their own ass. And those above them
Everyone who ever mentions Irish military boasts of these guys as heroes. I think all soldiers were scapegoats to the public at the time, but once that disgusting trend ended they’ve been legends who inspire their whole nation, and half the world besides.
Politics…
Ireland is a weird place
It's been said (on the quite) for years that the OC Pat Quinlan was actually slightly autistic. He was obsessed with WWI and turned the camp into a mass of trenches and fortifications, It's not really shown in the film but he had two WWI era vickers guns on tripods sited in for indirect fire, and it was those the inflicted the majority of the casualties. When they got back the Army just assumed Quinlan had done something wrong.
I bet that was a rumour put out by authorities to further belittle him. He really is a highly attained, wide heart and deep souled man. A Wellington.
I’m a SSG in the Army and I watched this movie with Irish wife. She’s young and never even knew this happened. She was literally in tears because of what happened to them at the end. Great movie, great breakdown! And coming from an Engineer, god bless the proper use of demo! Keep up the videos guys!
appreciate it!
Essayons!
Them guys were with the 35th Battalion. They served from July to December 61, seige of Jadotville was in September but they finished their tour after that, it was a 6 month tour. They Irish soldiers were very well trained professional soldiers. I think the Gustav machine gun fired the 9mm rounds, Lee Enfields had the 303 rounds, great rifle for picking off the enemy, Bren and vicars had 303 rounds and FN-FAL has 762 rounds, think these rounds were well capable of picking of the enemy, the mortar crews were well trained and were able to pick off their targets. My Dad who is 84 now was with the 34th Battalion from Jan to June 61. Flew out in an American Aircraft called the Globemaster C124 from Baldonnel near Dublin to Wheelus AFB in Tripoli and then onto Elizabethville. He was a Bren Gunner and had a gustav. He saw several combat situations out there. They were trapped near a mine and were under siege and were rescued by the swedes after being attacked for days. Their water supply was also poisoned by dead animals. They had to fight their way out, no casualties. They were under siege at a train station taken UN supplies to the Swedes. Came under fire from Congolese army, Tshombes men and Luba tribesmen, were held up for hours, being fired upon by machine guns, mortars and arrows and spears. He said they hadn't a clue about mortars, fired them too high and they timed out, they sand bagged them. He was giving cover fire between train station and train, they were only 15 to 20 Irish, he said they left a lot of casualties on the other side. They saw awful things like coming accross a missionary with everyone slaughtered and nuns decapitated in a drain, apparently he suffered nightmares for years. He left the army a short time after getting home, his time was up. No work in Ireland in the 60s so off to London he went working on the buildings. Came home in 69 and met my mother. He was working in the mines near us, drilling and blasting for the 70s, no work after that, a major recession, was on the social. Never got anything ever off anyone for being a veteran, its not like America here, No VA. Unfortunately my poor mother died in 2000 age 55. He was heart broken but anyway he has 6 grown children and 7 grandkids. A hero in our eyes.
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damn, your father is a hero
A hero indeed!
"Danger Close: The Battle of Long Tan" is another great movie to watch. The song(I was only 19) at the end of the movie is really good too. Made me, my brother and father in law tear up a bit. Plus we were drinking so yeah.
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This is why this segment is so great.
Sean’s humor on the bad movies is great…..
But his tactical assessment (big English word) brings an education.
Great episode guys.
thanks dude!
As a recovering alcoholic I applaud for abstaining. It wasn't a fun lifestyle. Was in rehab with a guy who literally looked like the C-3PO cause of liver failure.
Those Irish men had a tactical genius in their commander, they had real back bone in those days
sure did
And they were all green too, not seasoned vets.
Pat Quinlan R.I.P.
Movie shows just how useless the UN is
The french mercenary in this film is Roger Louis Faulques. He was involved in conflicts all over the world. Interesting story. This film really showed what a small group can do to a larger group when using good tactics.
Him and Mad Mike Hoare. Those are the usual names that come up when they talk about mercenary activities in Africa of the 60's and 70's.
agreed
just life SF
He wasn't actually involved at Jadotville though.
This is the age old story.....the hidden hand of control over all Irish society. Going non for decades. We are nit allowed to do well unless it fits a certain agenda. Real that.
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Yeah but they got it wrong regarding the guys in the field. They were mg’s. The mortars were on the back of trucks in the treeline further back. You see the irish guys taking them out later in the movie
Another movie like this is Danger Close: the Battle of Long Tan. Really brutal and real battle and the movies cinematography doesn't shy away from that.
The film Zulu with Michael Cane
I recommend “Danger close” 2019 its pretty interesting historical battle and how it was filmed was amazingly
ill add it to the list
@@FNGACADEMY That is a good movie and another pretty amazing story!
Danger Close: Battle of Long Tan, is a great movie. I read the book and then watched the movie. Watched tons of interviews with the vets of that action.
My dad did his all of his artillery gunnery training in Australia as an Officer in the 60's. Danger Close meant some thing else to those guys. I didn't really understand that until I watched the movie.
It’s crazy accurate to what actually went down at Long Tan. Even the weird things that don’t make sense actually happened.
Very good movie about a pretty incredible set-to. The FN FAL was a brilliant rifle, if cumbersome to carry, and was still the primary infantry service rifle, as the British L1A1 rifle, when I joined the British Army in 1981. It was in service from 1954-94, which is pretty incredible and a testament to its quality. The 7.62 NATO round had a big punch and very long range. I recall an incident where a stray round exited over the back of an army range and hit a poor bugger in the head some 1.5 miles away and killed him. The effective firing range was 800m, but with iron sights at that range you could barely see the human-sized target!
Glaine ár gcroí, Neart ár ngéag, Agus beart de réir ár mbriathar
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Thank you for bringing this movie to my attention. And this part of history that never gets covered.
The barrels of water were probably collected rain water. I remember my grandparents used to do that.
Ive read about this story and heard about it probably 20 different times. Its nuts to me how this went down because you guys hit it on the head, the things the commander did, no one else would have ever thought about until it was too late. great episode. Have a happy thanksgiving and christmas should yall slow down on videos for the holidays to spend time with family and friends. God bless
have you guys ever watched a couple of older movies (I think Australian productions): “Galipoli” and “Breaker Morant”
Breaker Morant is one of my all time favorites. Both are seriously top-notch wartime film making. I’m not sure if they will provide you with the opportunity to do a whole lot of tactical analysis, but man… they are great war movies!
They should also do The Battle of Long Tan. Another great and modern Aussie war movie.
@@angrymetalhead Year, that's a pretty good movie and an amazing story, too.
Can't watch Gallipoli ever again. Sad how troops were treated as "canon fodder".
@@sharonlawrence4830yeah. It’s even harder to watch the second time.
I came across ths one randomly years ago and never regretted it. Wish they were recognized for what they were able to at the time
The sad part of all this is the Irish government recognized and restored their reputation after many of the soldiers died. This wouldn't happen until 2005.
Abel you can’t be tighter than Sean’s man bun 😂😂😂😂
lol I sure can’t 🙏
I'm always bummed when the episode ends. But that's a good thing I guess 😁 Thanks gents! As always 💯
I've recommend this movie for a long time. Glad you finally got around to watching it and extremely glad you liked it.
so good!
It's even scarier when you read about what happened when they were released from captivity - they were literally back in combat within days prior to being sent home. There are a couple of good books out there about this..."The Heroes of Jadotville" by Rose Doyle lays things out pretty well. The company commander was quite on top of training his troops prior to deployment as well continuing it while they were there.
And of course you mentioned that at the end - guess I shouldn't type until the end of the piece, lol
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Great stream!!! Stay hydrated!
Couple thoughts:
Peacekeeping in the Congo was rather different to more recent missions. The UN at the time did a fair bit of what might today be called "peace enforcement." Incidents like this one are part of why the UN has backed off a bit from such missions, but some missions are still a lot hotter than others.
The "talking to the locals to learn what the mood is" part is very much standard Irish doctrine even to this day. There's a lot of emphasis placed on soft power and "winning hearts and minds" as it might be called. That doesn't mean they aren't trained to fight well when the situation arises, but, as in this case, it's not the first choice.
One of my favorite movies that has gone under the radar lately. Another great one today! Would also love to see a breakdown of 6 Underground. I'm sure Buck will have some fun opinions on that one
we did that 6 underground check it out
Great breakdown. There’s a great old 80s military movie called Southern Comfort. Y’all should break that one down. It’s old but really good.
This was a good movie. Thanks for doing a Break Down of it.
Loved this movie. Glad their story got told.
Hey guys, loved this movie, and your breakdown. Total civilian here, and Irish history/culture buff - appreciated how the leader had no combat experience, but his obvious focus on his training, and the soldiers' commitment to one another carried them through.
I've been laid up for several days, and enjoying your content. Nerd request: it would be sick if you reviewed the anime Ghost in the Shell.
There seems to be a lot of SWAT and/or Military tactics baked into the action (also crazy scifi and ninja turtle shit)
The original 1996 film is best. It was a major influence on Wachowskis making The Matrix.
This was the first UN Peacekeeping mission I believe.
My dad was there for a year as a UN Peacekeeper. He saw some pretty horrible stuff.
2:50 if youre interested in that read up on the last stand of the swiss guard. its one of those long lasting stories like that with a sad outcome.
if you read up on this , the mercenary force had boasted that at most this battle would last a couple of hours , Oh Boy did they misjudge those Brave Irish boys..
I think they had water barrels ready because the water doesn't always run or runs small. That way when they need larger ammounts, or if they need water when it stops they have a solution
I wonder if you guys will widen your Beers and Breakdown content by reacting to video game clips like Ready or Not, Squad or others like that. Or even that VIP animation video by Zen. I mean, yeah, if looks like a silly cartoon but the tactics look very realistic to me and ld love to see an expert opinion on stuff like that.
I think its a cool way to show more variety in content and maybe impress you guys with how accurate military tactics or realism can go outside of live action.
I definitely love this channel. I can't do Special Forces, I've seen the SF assessment and selection course is hard. In other words i can't do shit. Thank you for your service
The French mercenary commander was Roger Louis Faulques. He was a former officer in the Legion Etrangere. I wonder if he saw any irony in his attack on the Irish a la Battle of Camerone. Before his death, Faulques was given the privilege to carry CPT Danjou's hand for a Camerone celebration.
Great stuff guys and I love The movie too.. And the main guy was a great leader.
They called them cowards because of politics. The UN and local commanders used them as a scape goat for thier mistakes. So the upper command altered the story. It wasn’t till years later the full story came out and the men where honored for their bravery.
The range marker was genius because 7.62 and .303 are ballistically different than flat shooting 5.56.
Saw this movie recently and really enjoyed. Glad to see you do a break down on this.
Water and watch party… Agua and analysis
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Irish have historically had a fantastic rep for fighting some extremely famous regiments in the British Army and Even in America during your civil war Mercenary Regiments that fought all over Europe including the famous Papal war Even the Spanish lord commented that they could endure conditions that his men would not. They also had famous regiments in France and Prussia
Okay, as a Canadian, and a veteran I apologize for Hyena Road. Full stop. By way of apology I'll give you a heads up and say if you thought that was bad.. maybe don't watch the movie Passchendaele! (Same guy) I got a recommendation to watch the movie, Jadotville, from my sister when it came out, and I was also very impressed by it, especially when I read up on the actual battle and found out how close the movie stuck to the story! Kind of reminded me a bit of the Battle of Medak Pocket - where a small number of (Canadian) UN Peacekeepers in Former Yugoslavia were attacked by a Croatian military force and engaged them in a a series of heavy firefights over the course of several days. Unfortunately there are no good movies about the battle, but if you are interested in stories of UN troops who didn't just sit on their hands and do nothing it is a story worth looking up. I was fortunate to have had a number of instructors on my basic training course in the army who had fought in that battle and they passed on invaluable lessons to us on that course.
I would love to see a breakdown of the movie The Accountant - not a war movie per say, but still one I really enjoyed, and/or Den of Thieves (you may have done DoT I can't remember would have to go back and look, but there's a really big firefight at the end of that one)
big ups abel for not succumbing to peer pressure
Props on the sobriety. It's a hard walk but it must be walked bro. As always great breakfast break down. You guys do good shit.
The guys in the field were firing mg’s. The mercenary mortars were on the back of trucks in the treeline (you see the irish mortars taking them out later in the movie). Great thoughts on the movie as always
About the 9mm stuff, didn't these guys mostly all have FN FALs in 7.62x51?
I respect your sobriety, Abel!
It's weird how people seem to take it as a personal offense when you say you'd rather not drink today. I'm not a teetotaller but I'm not a big drinker either, so there are plenty of times when I've said "no thanks", and it's crazy how often people keep pushing, as if I'm insulting them by not drinking alcohol right now. Why can't I just choose to have a soda and be left in peace?
Didnt know about this movie, now I gotta watch it!
I saw this on HBO years ago and it was very surprising how good this movie was.
Buck: Colonel Sanders stands in the middle on the desert and gets sniped in the chest and killed.
Abel: Yeah, good.
Buck: Don’t do that.
LOL!!
Oh this was a bad ass movie. So very underrated
That french commander was a very experienced combat leader having served in the French Foreign legion, however since Quinlan didnt have any combat experience he viewed him beneath him. This scenario is a good example of not underestimating your opponent.
There’s a great argument to be had in experience Vs education and character.
Only thing they missed was the single loading the bren in favour of the Lee-Enfield for the sniper shot
Great movie and great round up
Buck: "The English language is kicking my ass." Abel: "The Jamesons is kicking your ass." You guys are THE BEST.
I thought ya were going to review Lioness thats a badass series 🔥👌🏻
Definitely need to do a review of the movie Kokoda (2006) movie of how Australia handed Japan their first defeat of WW2 in the jungles of Papua New Guinea with only a bunch of reserve soldiers called chocos (chocos because they’d melt like chocolate in battle) but ended up defeating Japan in intense jungle warfare
Thanks that was really good. Able stay with the Detox....!!
appreciate it
Dope reaction 💯
with christmas around the corner, you guys should review Violent Night.
Please do a review on Danger Close! True story and definitely depicts real tactics!
Yes! I was just going to say this. Instead I’ll second yours. Film was bonkers accurate to the true story too.
Plus, it shows the BS everybody has to put up with from enlisted to officers! Everything mattered like land nav, coms, ammo, air support, guerilla warfare, orders.
Here is one for you.@12:19 THE Irish Soldier in the Trench says Quinlan doesn't know what he is doing. is played by Patrick Joyce. Who is the Real Patrick Quinlan's grandson Conor Quinlan
I like these movies about lesser known battles of forgotten forces that was just as intense and important as the other bookmarked battles of the cold war. The mercenary glory days versus formidable UK badasses
Dude they were Irish army, nothing to do with the UK
Hangover after a trip to Brazil? I bet you have good stories to tell lol
Those stories must remain in Brazil 💪🏼
18:48 all of the weapons in this movie were present at the real siege. Some movies fudge the historical gear somewhat, but not this film.
IIRC, the AR15 was still being field trialed at this time. The Irish troops there have 7.62 FN FALs primarily, alongside 9mm Swedish K subguns and .303 caliber Lee Enfields and Bren guns.
Gotta do the movie 6 Days next... Stay reviewing the across the pond blokes... be cool to see the parallels with another SF unit and op planning...
hey in the near future maybe do 6 Days... that movie is about the SAS and the operation that made them famous....i think the tatics used in this film would be interesting for you guys to dive into.
Sean, bro, I know "Beers are Breakdowns" is traditionally a movie assessment. But, I just watched an episode of The Shawn Ryan Show, and he interviewed Tom Satterly. I think it would be the best addendum to the show for just one episode, and we'd all learn a ton from your assessment.
I mean, I know podcasts aren't normally the way you do your thing. But, if not that, there's a movie called "The Hornets Nest" that was a documentary of Afghanistan, and I watched it right after I got home, and the shit was rough. That might also be a great one to do for all the Afghan vets that watch your show. Either way, I fuckin love your channel bro.
You guys should watch the Scott Adkins movie 'One Shot'.
The movement and handling of the weapon systems in that movie is very impressive, also some great set pieces and it's almost filmed in a Documentary way.
You guys might like to breakdown 6 Days. It's about Operation Nimrod and the Iranian Embassy hostage situation in England in 1980
the actually story goes that sunday morning, while they were at mass they came up hoping to catch them in the church. edit didn't work out, 20:30 they moved in .30 cal not 81s
Grandfather served with Irish defence forces in the Congo. Some crazy stories quiet crap how the Irish government ended up treating these lads
Regarding the water, the commander liked and read Caesar’s life and tactics, one of which was the siege of Alesia. In that siege, Roman’s poisoned the water coming to the city.
I think he used that knowledge and had a plan b in case of something like that happening.
You can’t fight dehydrated: the same reasoning for digging trenches.
That’s what I think he had 2 water supplies (the public one that was known and the private one that only the Irish knew).
Sobriety ftw. 💪
The main rifle the Irish were using is the FN FAL. It is a 7.62 Nato rifle. Their standard load out should be six mags or 20 rounds. There were no 223 rounds out there. The 223 round basically didn't become some what common until the 80s and the adoption of the South African R4/Galil rifle. While the numbers of hostile forces was large they generally don't have good supply lines so troops can only expect to use what they carry in and generally that isn't much. If they have extra anything they sell it off for money and to save weight. As to the water issue. With water being contaminated in Africa with parasites and disease it has to be purified and that can be time consuming because of the prosses. So it makes sense that they just had not got to the point of purifying the new water. Another great review on your part.
I'd love to see your reaction to End of Watch.
The Congolese didn't have a clue how to operate mortars. My father was an Irish peacekeeper out there from Jan to June 61, he was a Bren Gunner, he told me they came under attack at a train station, they were bringing UN supplies to the Swedes, driver took off and were under attack by Congolese on one side and Tribesmen on the other. He said they were only about 15 irish lads, the Congolese were dropping mortars on them but had timed out before landing, didn't explode, they sandbagged them, he was provided cover between the train and the station with his Bren. He said by the time they were relieved they had left about 100 of them casualties, none themselves. He has a bow, arrow and a little tomahawk in the attic at home. I asked him when he got them, he said he got them from a fella he left hanging on a fence. He showed me an arrow recently with little barbs in them where they put poison.
I love how Sean thinks caliber decides what the cyclic rate is.
20:17 lol my man that was a 1919 machine gun they set up not a mortar system. The mortar system was behind the tree line in trucks, the Irish blow it up at one point.
I think the barrels of water they had were dunk tanks. Essentially you have a little bit of water set aside to dunk your head and arms in to cool you off. Had them during training helped beat the heat. Guess they were drinking each others sweat but hey gotta do what you gotta do to survive.
makes sense and still better than poison
Hopefully they were able to boil that water before drinking lol.
Absolutely my favorite war movie ever
Fantastic movie, great story and well made. Have you heard of the film Kajaki? Definitely one to check out if not.
Hey guys,I've just watched the movie.After reading the book a while back. One thing that puzzled me with the movie. The sniper almost never aim for the guys with the 50 cal.
Is that a "movie Mistake" ? Or would that actually happen in a battlefield? You see him do it maybe once or twice.
I would naturally assume a sniper would take out the most dangerous weapon within range. But I have not your experience. So would like to hear you guys opinion?
Dude Abel looks so much healthier
The weapons depicted in the film were completely correct. We even had serial numbers of some of the sub machine guns from the original conflict. Both sides used FN FAL and 7.62 ammunition. The Irish had FAL as standard plus old Vickers guns that were handed to them upon arrival. I'm reality the Irish even had some old armoured cars that they used to reasonable success. I had the mortar teams pre designate targets as they would have such we touched on as little.
The mercenaries were a mix of french, Belgian, Rhodesian, even Irish can you believe. Plus hundreds of local African Gendarme units.
That Frenchman was Roger Faulques. His story alone is wild.
@@Andy-te1mw I must find his book.
The man from Del Monte he says aah
Nothing shows esprit de corp and fighting spirit like their radio message. "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey."
I gotta poop at the end was funny.
Hope you guys will consider Wild Geese and John Wayne's Green Beret, someday. Would really appreciate your perspective.
"Book of Eli" is a good movie, if you would consider taking time to make a video on it , that would be amazeing
I read the book. It was incredible.
ill have to check it out
Badass movie .. it's a crime what those amazing men went through during and afterwards ..
Hey guys, those weapons are the SLR as used by the British Army, 7.62, semi automatic, accurate out to 800yds...used it myself when in the UK forces. Targets definitely fell when hit...Ask the Argies on the Falklands...
They are not SLR's. They are FN FAL's and are fully automatic. The FN was used by the Irish Army from 1961 until 1989 when it was replaced by the Steyr AUG