DeadLock: Does Dark Souls ACTUALLY SUCK?!?
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- Опубліковано 20 тра 2015
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Dark Souls has a reputation for being one of the hardest game series to come out on modern consoles. You know that when a game's tagline is "You will die," you're in for a rough experience. But is Dark Souls' difficulty fair? Is the game ACTUALLY any good, or is Dark Souls a game made difficult in a cheap, unfair, and glitchy way? In short, DOES DARK SOULS SUCK? Today, we intend to find out!
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I'm conflicted. I love this game. Like, it's one of my favorite games that I've recently played. And yet, I recognize that a lot of the difficulty comes from poorly-explained mechanics and obtuse puzzles that you would NEVER be able to figure out without the internet...so does it suck? No. I don't think so. But overlooking it's flaws seems a bit short-sighted.
The Game Theorists Sounds a lot more like life than anything.
Mmmm...poor explanation?...i dont think so...humanity is easy to understand and to use
Uhhhh, I played through dark souls without the internet, and ds 2. Dark souls isn't that bad. I'm not saying its easy but it's not as bad as everyone puts it out to be
These people guff but I always thought the same about demon's souls, it was like suddenly being dropped into a game you were unfamiliar with.
The Game Theorists
Only filthy casuals thinks the game is broken and sucks.
Does Demon's Souls suck? No.
Does Dark Souls suck? No.
Does Dark Souls II suck? Yes, but only when compared to the first two.
Dark Souls is not difficult for unfair reasons. The Rusted Iron ring is not in ANY way essential. The Tiny Being's ring gift description is a typo missed in the English translation of a Japanese game. The in-game description is correct. The game shows you what effects leveling up a stat has before you accept the changes, making faulty assumptions about the stat is your fault, not the game's fault. The humanity argument is also weak, because it affects story-NPC interactions in a meaningful way. That is a good thing. Lackluster fighting mechanics? Really? How big is the list of action games with better fighting mechanics? Cheap death? The giant that throws the giant explosive urn is visible before he can ever hit you, and the ground where the explosive urn lands is scorched. By the time you reach this area you should know to be situationally aware or pay the price. All of these points against Dark Souls are impotent whining from someone who clearly learned nothing the game was teaching, or a complaint about a typo.
This was not a deadlock by any means. If you're going to have an argument against Dark Souls, at least have meaningful cogent points.
very true
I don't even think Dark souls 2 is even bad compared to other games From Software has worked on but it is somewhat lackluster and it may be the fact that Hidetaka didn't actually direct this one but considering he's back and working on Dark Souls 3 I have high hopes for it.
i like your arguments and agree with you. but i believe that his argument is scripted so that it sounds more like the common gamer to make some viable opinions from their point of view. from the common gamers view this would look like an unfair game, with not much of a storyline because most games nowadays spoon feed you just about everything
+Velexia Ombra I made a list for you:
Illussionary walls, some of them are visible but others are undetectable
Grab attacks, no where does the game tell you how to escape them
Mimics...I do not need to explain why
All NPC quest lines, they teleport away and you have no idea where they go
Platforming elements in a game where you have no dedicated jump button
Bed of Chaos floor collapsing at completely random places
Stray and Firesage demon bullshit explosive instakilling attacks
Parrying works differently for you than it does for enemies, they go into a parry stance which you'll need to feel the effects off at least once before you realize to either kick or not attack them whilst they are in that stance
Lautrec cutting off the main interconnecting bonfire with no warning early game...cheers!
All enemy projectiles are homing, even arrows and bolts
Enemies in tight corridors can cut through walls and hit you while you're restricted to rapiers and spears unless you want your weapon to bounce off
I can go on...How would you be able to know and defend yourself from any of these in your first playthrough?
The fact that a lot of these you HAVE to look it up online shows that it is unfair, sloppy game design.
Yoriko Arran lol its unfair in design to make you learn from your mistakes. Illusory walls are supposed to be hidden for a purpose, and in no way is there a rulebook for game design saying that they need to let you know where it is (besides that defeats the purpose of exploring). As for npc quest lines your supposed to pay attention to dialogue to understand where they're going so thats on you for not listening if you got lost because i had no problem. The mimics are apart of the rogue like aspect of this game, which is to way your actions heavily and never get too careless or it vosts you dearly. As for parrying, you must not be good at it, because i notice no difference between me and enemies in that regard. Lautrec cutting off the main bonfire isnt a big deal considering its part of his questline, at the end of which the bonfire goes back to normal. And your weapons can go through walls too so i dont know why you're complaining considering you can exploit it. Your supposed to learn through trial and error, and don't need to look up anything at all, you just missed the entire point of the game and mistook it for your average hack n slash. Its unfair, but in the old school game factor that it will take many tries. The fact the complete edition say in the title "prepare to die" makes that clear before you popped it in your console or pc. In the end it comes down to you misunderstanding your purchase
Matpat didn't find the second bonfire in Sens i see
There's a bonfire in Sen's?
@@curbyour____9506 yep
Wait... there's two? I didn't even get the first one my first playthrough.
Yea it’s right beside my baby boy andre
The iron golem is really easy though.
Did this man just call Solaire, _soley air?_
*_absolutely disgusting_*
P rai Se de SuuS
all of the "Dark Sucks" points are garbage, and you can tell he spent zero time researching. Rusted iron ring is NOT a mandatory item, and the starting gift doesn't really matter and doesn't not affect gameplay much (unless you choose master key), humanity is easy to get and even without using it game is not too difficult. As for you leveling intelligence.. You can see how each stat impacts your AR so thats on you. "block, block , block..." Yeah I bet you hid behind your shield constantly f*cking casul. Wonder how far you got...
PixelGamer yeah they just can’t get gud
I know he messed my name(;_;)
Gives me conniptions...
Rusted iron ring is the most essential item in the game? Really?
+Iorveth You really don't need the that ring at all >
I didn't even know it existed until several playthroughs. The most essential items in DkS is your balls. So it's not surprising Jirard had so much to say.
+cyc2140 the swampy areas are only a tiny bit more difficult without the ring and most people do just fine without it, also if you pay attention to the game most people will hear the crest fallen warrior tell them about someone being picked up by the crow; this is how you find it
+cyc2140 You are so, so, so, damn wrong.
I have ring of favor and protection and one to boost spell damage, int of 75 strength of 65 dex of 65 and health of 70 gg, I beat the game 3 times without dying to lvl up once
Rusted iron ring is essential? Ok sure, so is the broken straight sword.
+NorthSeaHero it's not essential at all. You just roll through it.
+NorthSeaHero Have you seen any speed runs? Takes them about 10 seconds to get through the swamp.
+NorthSeaHero and if it's "essential" then how come so many people have beaten the game without knowing it existed?
+NorthSeaHero I didn't know it existed and I beat the game twice. Once in NG+
lmfao
Rusted iron ring? I think you misread your notes. It’s pronounced more like... Havel’s ring and the Ring of Favour and Protection.
Wtf u mental? rusted iron Ring is op AF it's meta
Mmmmmm that sounds like some THICC poise
FaP ring and Havels ring is the combo
And clorenthia ring
Shadow Fox darkwood grain ring!!
They didn't talk about the bosses or the interconnected level design at all. Those two things are like the best parts of the game!
Well most of the bosses in this one aren’t that good for the most part and the whole interconnected thing is thrown away half way through the game, especially with the Lordvessel
Fair enough, but to not mention them at all is just silly. My main argument is that this video is based on bullshit semantics instead of the actual flaws like shitboxs and the tomb of the giants. And they also don't talk about the other things that actually make the game good. I normally love MatPat and his videos but when he is just wrong I can't sit by and watch.
@@therogueusername7171 I'm surprised they didnt even mention lost izhalith or the bed of chaos
Dude, the CLAYMORE is harder to find than the Rusted Ring... and the Claymore is easily obtainable. I didn't even use a GUIDE on how to get the Rusted Iron ring. I just saw a ledge was traversable and went on from there until i stumbled on the ring.
Level design is about the only thing people praise, which is especially funny considering most people are scrubby and just skip through it all with the cheat key anyways 🤪
What? The rusted iron ring isn't even close to required. It can help a bit with blighttown, but it's not even required there.
WTF are you talking about when it comes to Humanity? If you need more Humanity, just kill the rats in The Depths. I figured that out on my first playthrough.
All I' really do you in blight is at the start of speed runs I get the 3 large souls and 10 green shards if I need to. The only thing you need to do to get to the boss is walk through the swamp
MrL1 Aside from all of that, most enemies are completely circumventable and poison damages you so slowly that it's not really worth using moss to cure it. Might as well take the damage and pop an Estus when you're starting to get somewhat low on HP.
DaSwagDemon But duping is discouraged if you want to beat the game legitimately. (even if you only do it in a way to cut down on time spent farming rats for humanity)
aresdotexe exactly or he could not just suck and he could get good
aresdotexe casuals
This guy apparently didnt figure out how to parry or roll.
+TehPartyPants He should play DS2, where theres legitimate unfair difficulty.
+TehPartyPants oh god. Pre-nerf ancient dragon. Now THAT was some bullshit for anyone that wasn't a sorcerer or cleric
Artorias Jim Im mainly talking about the multiple parts of the game where you have to fight 85 enemies at once, when the actual combat system is oriented toward 1 on 1 fights.
+TehPartyPants
game aint easy when you're fatrolling
Its actually pretty easy to just throw on something like Havels armor and tank your way through the game, not really that fun though.
"The rusted iron ring is the most important item in dark souls"... I'm out of words...
Right? I’ve used it once in my 10 playthroughs lol
Ngl I found it because I was going back to fight the black knight and never touched it after that
It's situational like the rings that give resistance to poison,curse,bleed I mean it makes it so you can run in water and mud but not too many areas have that
@@calvinmcneil9824
There are only like 3 area I can think off
Hydra in Darkroot basin, Tar pit in Sen's fortress and Blighttown
Rusted iron ring is mostly useful for blightown and any other poison swamp
That Rusted Iron ring bit is insane, my god. The rusted Iron Ring is just something you can find if you explore, you don't need it at all.
The first time I beat it, I never looked online for help and therefore never actually got the ring. Certainly a helpful item, but not actually necessary.
Exactly
he should’ve talked about the ring that Sif drops I forget what it’s called
@@ClovesnSpice covenant of artorias
Let’s just all agree the rusted iron ring is useless and easy to get
Wait, the rusted iron ring?
Never used it. Lol.
its basically useless to me.......hornet ring is best
hornet ring is just for cheap pvp kills
Most of the time when I'm at blighttown it's for a new char and I speed run getting cem items go to blight for the 3 souls large titanite and green titanite shards, killing the hoc invader in there, and that's pretty much it's
It's literally only helpful when farming in Blighttown or when killing the hydra.
Obviously these guys have no clue how to be good at the game. They just decided to make a negative bitching video for youtube profits, it's not like they actually understand the game :)
The rusted iron ring is 100% optional and 25% of jirard's arguments were about a single typo
not a typo a translation error
+colin wells either way it was pointless to base so much of his argument around a small error
true
+BigtownRooster Lmao yeah finished all the games multiple times and had to Google what even is the Rusted Iron Ring when Jirard brought it up.
and they neglected to state that the game is originally japanese, where at least in the second game, there were 3 different translator companies working on it, leading to lots of stuff lost in translation
ah yes, being able to walk a little faster through the bottom section of blight town and maybe the bottom of sen's fortress makes it way better than:
Ring of favor and protection: Which increases your health, stamina and equip load.
Havel's ring: Which increases your equip load by an insane amount allowing you to roll faster with heavy armor sets.
Covetous Gold Serpent Ring: Which boosts your item discovery by 200 allowing you to farm items ALOT faster.
Covetous Silver Serpent Ring: Boosts souls gained from enemies.
Hornet Ring: Boosts your critical attacks perfect for pvp.
Wolf ring: Just when you think Havel's armor set poise is too much.
Bellowing Dragon Crest Ring: Boosts sorcery and pyromancy damage by 20%.
Cloranthy Ring: An amazing ring that increases your stamina regen by an insane amount, personal favorite paired with grass crest shield.
and finally Dark Wood Grain Ring: Which increases I-frames and faster recovery time for your roll.
I've gotta say guys, this "rusted iron ring" is looking pretty op next to all these rings.
Suprised he didn't bring up the calamity ring. Man I have no idea how I would've beaten DS1 without it.
Damn that's some real destruction😂
And also the covenant of Artorias, which you literally need to beat the game, no exceptions unless you do the kiln skip for normies and even then, that’s still DLC that you need to buy
200 from the Gold Serpent ring? Damn I didn’t know it was that much. Thanks for the info.
Confused Happiness
I think the drake sword is harder to find than the rusted iron ring
Yup
I found it... just never got it
And I managed to find it on my first play through
Haha the first sword tail i get in the game
It is not hard at all
The drake sword is just boring to get
Did this dude really say that The Rusted Iron Ring was the most important item in the game?
Yes, he's that desperate to find an argument to why Dark Souls would suck.
If we're talking about rings THE most important item in the game is the Covenant of Artorias, which allows you to walk in an area where you have to kill the boss.
Will mckee I thought he was talking about estus which would make sense, I guess.
he definitely made few arguments.
I could have argued more:
Repetition of asylum demon multiple times with same move set:
Asylum Guardian
Stray Demon
Fire Sage
The lack of direction to where you are supposed to go next.Yes you know you are supposed to find the bells after talking, but you don't know how to get there or where it is.
The lack of clues as to what each stat does, or what constitutes good build.
1. O.K. The re-skin is a definite down for Dark Souls.
2. If you don't know where to go, the go explore, now realize, that if you go to the graveyard the skeletons are incredibly difficult to handle so maybe you shouldn't go there yet, if you go down, you can't hit the ghosts, so maybe you should avoid the area, it didn't take me long to find where I needed to go, Dark Souls doesn't hold your hand it expects you to be smart and play smart.
3. It's called pressing the select and X button, see that it tells you that select means explanation, so press it and you will find out what each of them do and for the Weapon stats you just press X and you find out what the stats are and what scales with what.
The reason why I love Dark Souls is it's like the real world, they tell where to go but they don't tell you how to get there so you have to go on an ADVENTURE and QUEST! It's like the medieval times, you don't have a compass that points in the direction you need to go. It will NOT hold your hand and expects you to learn how to walk on your own. THAT is what makes this game great it doesn't tell you everything. Also, if you need help on something there is a HUGE community of players that are more than willing to help, like MatPat said, "There are dozens of tutorials to help you online". I'll be frank it took me over 100+ hours to beat the game my first time WITHOUT look at strategy guides and the thrill and accomplishment you get when you defeat an incredibly hard area or boss is just gratifying.
"An item crucial to access several areas"
Bitch please. The Rusted Iron Ring is NOT needed for ANY area (just makes some areas a bit easier, but not by much). Gone several playthroughs without it simply due to the fact that it isn't actually needed to get anywhere. Now the Orange Charred Ring on the other hand would have been a much better example.
joshua kim Thought the same. You don't really need it but can make some parts easier.
SuperAffenbrot Ironically, the points taken off due to the "item requirement" argument is 100% bullshit. The only items required are either literally given (most keys and the Lordvessel), or told outright where to search for them (Ingward tells of Artorias, whose location is told blatantly by the Crest of Artorias sold/dropped by the first blacksmith in the game that's impossible to miss)
joshua kim Apparently Blight Town was easy for you where it obliterated me.
tranceotaku I just trudged through and stuck to the right border. Literally only have to fight 2 things (allows to avoid all of those ogre guys).
joshua kim
yeah. no problem at all.
Broke: “The second half of the game is unfinished, and lost Izalith is literally 30 pairs of legs copy pasted in a lake of lava”
*W O K E* : “The rusted iron ring is hard to find”
At least there was a good boss at the end of Lost Izalith
@@loudopinions9097 youre joking rigth
@@loudopinions9097 Explain
@@mrtuxedo1467 i think he means different
@@mrtuxedo1467 I'm 99 percent certain he's kidding.
*Half the arguments*
Jirard: This is bad
Mat: no that’s a good thing
Even with the typo in the description are you serious
He is right tho
That typo does not exist. I looked it up because I felt like I would have remembered that. ( I have a penchant for going for hp regen items.) This is the actual item description.
"Ring made of an ancient tiny red jewel. Grants small increase to HP. Rings grant powers
large and small. Their discovery, and effective use, can make one's journey easier"
@@ethanhinkle683 are you reading that in game or on the character creation menu? Also are you looking at it on the remastered version or the original version? In the original version's character creation, it does have the typo, but the moment you get into the game, the description fixes itself. In the remastered version it's always right.
@@JerryMcB3rry I have the remastered version. If that is the case, then I stand corrected, and thank you for pointing out my mistake.
-lol "the rusted iron ring is necessary" Ive played through the game tons of times and I forget it exists. Shows how important it is.
-if you looked at the spell and item descriptions, you'd notice that pyromancy has no affiliation with the int stat at all
-the humanity comment was pretty vague honestly he just sounded butthurt
-I can honestly think of 1 enemy that makes you wait for some time before you can do anything but otherwise they are constantly come after you making all that waiting time actually time spent dodging and finding time for an opening rather than just swinging your weapon around randomly like a dumbass
-the death by the giant is something ill actually call bs on seeing as the tracking on the bombs it throws is so bad that a bomb will land where you were standing like 10 seconds ago, plus if you look up you can see the giant pretty easily and find its blind spot
Ultimately all I heard form the dark sucks side is "I want games to hold my hand through the whole thing. How dare you make me pay attention to the world and punish my mistakes?" Does the game have flaws? Absolutely, especially towards the end with the bed of chaos aka bed of bullshit which surprisingly wasn't mentioned at all leading me to believe that he hasn't actually finished this game. However, just because you had a hard time with the game that doesn't make it suck. If you aren't a fan of dark souls then thats totally fine since people just have differing opinions about things, but to attack it because of your short comings and blame the game for everything is just arrogant.
+vidsman625 What was even *up* with the iron ring statement? I didn't even know it existed until my 3rd or 4th playthrough - when I started getting all explorative and completionist. ;p
The pryo statement was weird, as well. The bearded guy's side of the argument felt super duper lazy.
Mystery Yoghurt exactly it was pure laziness on his part that lead to his frustrating experience so of course his reasoning is also lazy
+vidsman625Have you seen any of his videos? Because if you did, you'd know that half of what you said holds no water whatsoever, especially that last paragraph. Let alone the cherry picking of things that were said in the video with no context. That hurts your credibility a lot too
And while he attacked the game, he was coherent and relatively objective for the most part, whereas you are resorting exclusively to personal attacks which makes you come across as butthurt, not him.
Seriously, all your comment says is "Somebody hurt my precious! He's a fat, dumb, meanie mcmeanie and I don't like him!". If you're gonna be smug, at least pose a legitimate argument instead of nothing but insults and unfounded conjecture
That guy with the face Not once did I rely solely on personal attacks in anything I said. I refuted his claims and occasionally questioned his credibility since I'm still pretty sure he hasn't completed it yet. I've played the game quite a bit so I'm aware of its flaws, but I can tell when someone just attacks the game without any solid reasoning.
If you think my comment was just conjecture then I recommend reading it again, then reading yours, and finally quoting where I clearly just call him fat and stupid since I'm so butthurt.Also please tell me why what I said holds no water if you're convinced I'm so wrong.
If you're a fan of his or a hater of dark souls that's fine, but don't just claim someone you don't agree with is spouting unfounded insults while you do the same. It makes you come off as butthurt, not me.
vidsman625 So just because I disagree with you I'm a fanboy and a hater? And you have the gall to say you don't use conjecture, whilst doing so in that very same comment...nice
Here's the thing, you assuming that he hasn't finished the game is preposterous. He never reviews any games that he hasn't finished regardless of difficulty, hence Matpat's remark about him being "trapped in the game". Moreover, when you said that he was crying for a game that would hold his hand and implied that his playing style involves no more than button mashing was also nothing but poorly constructed bait. See, another staple of his show is the absolute completion of video games, regardless of how difficult and tedious it is, and that includes Dark Souls. No one as inane as what you suggested could possibly make that claim. And finally, you clearly haven't seen any of his videos, thus you know nothing of his skills as a gamer or his tenacity in the same regard, yet you still assume that his complaints are rooted exclusively in his own short comings as opposed to acknowledging his very legitimate points in reference to the video game's design, such as it being obtuse and deliberately uncooperative. Such as the talisman for example.
And as a little bonus, the following lines are both clearly strawmen that you set up in order to feed your own ego and further demean your target.
"-I can honestly think of 1 enemy that makes you wait for some time before you can do anything but otherwise they are constantly come after you making all that waiting time actually time spent dodging and finding time for an opening rather than just swinging your weapon around randomly like a dumbass"
"-the death by the giant is something ill actually call bs on seeing as the tracking on the bombs it throws is so bad that a bomb will land where you were standing like 10 seconds ago, plus if you look up you can see the giant pretty easily and find its blind spot"
On the latter for example you ignored the context and created your own, as in the debate the point of bringing that up was that he was killed by an out of sight enemy while the camera focused on another, not that he couldn't predict the trajectory of the projectiles.
This is a very shameless tactic that simply hurts your own credibility, as does passing on the burden of proof as well as personally assaulting someone, both of which you seem to specialize at.
Any questions?
All your points are invalid Smough; just because the game has a typo and doesn't hold your hand doesn't make it a bad game.
+Tsakane Maluleke You get a like for a beautiful dark souls referential insult.
+Tsakane Maluleke Still wish they would change the description so that it was at least vaguely accurate. If they did I would have choose the master key rather than that piece of garbage ring.
You're my new hero
+101Crock
At least it's noticeable early enough in the game that making a new character isn't much of a hassle. I agree it's complete horseshit, but silver linings you know
Drvo Foka ^lol
4:57 they said that Jirard's defence did 9 damage to Mat, when it did 11 damage, who's sloppy now?
Umm... The Rusted Iron Ring is far from one of the most essential rings in the game. Granted, moving in the swamp water can be a pain without it, but even then, it's trivial if you know where to go and bring Purple Mosses and Blooming Purple Mosses just in case you get nailed by a blowdart sniper and get your blood ran toxic.
The Rusted Iron Ring is certainly *helpful* in Blighttown and that water area in Darkroot Basin with the Hydra, but you can easily beat the game without the ring.
Also... Technically, the DS1 does tell you (albeit indirectly) where to go, since, unless you're really good at the game or managed to get a blunt weapon or divine weapon, the skeletons in the graveyard leading to the catacombs will eat you for lunch because you're not meant to go down there until you meet the requirements to survive down there. It's the reason that if you go the road leading to the Undead Burg, you only have, like... Four or five super easy hollow enemies to contend with.
It's the same as triggering that wyvern's appearance at the High Wall of Lothric in Dark Souls 3. You don't have to go up there unless you want the loot up there and it's a shortcut leading to a spot that you were going to go to anyway.
At the end of the day... I like to think of Dark Souls as being like the Mr. Miyagi of video games.
The only people I've heard say "Dark Souls Sucks" are people I work with who spend all their time playing COD and think FPS is the most challenging thing ever
+kalloused Well, it really depends on what they assume are "challenging", i mean, in general gaming sense, it is *somewhat* challenging, since it's pretty fast-paced, but at the same time it's literary just point and click FPS, that happens to be accessible enough so that casual gamers could get into the game and enjoy it.
But, let's face it, MP in Battlefield 3 is far too much for those guys :P
Am i rite?
+I'ma Rob'Oat
Why not go a bit further and say Arma would be their death! :D
Devin Hansen Yeah and not to mention you judge a game with a franchise that has nothing to do with it in terms of everything and especially genre! :D
#kappa
Tuomas Sallinen That's why you ascend to the master race :D
i got steady 40 FPS with my rig, and ~26 on Blightown, but hey it's playable and fact is, i'm playing the game on native 1080p and not just the UI the internal rendering resolution is also 1080p (DSFix FTW), couple that with SweetFX, then it's one hell of a PC tittle, minus the optimization.
+I'ma Rob'Oat yes i agree that framerate isnt that bad but it kind of feels annoying for me almost all framerate issues i have experienced came for my fight with taurus demon
I never use the rusted iron ring.
JUST SAYIN'.
Me neither. Even tho I have to say, I ALWAYS collect it, in every playthrough.
DaveControl well fancy seeing you here
Hey its Dave! And I agree, I didn't even know what the rusted iron ring did until my second playthrough. It made parts of the game a lot easier, but I made do the first time around.
DaveControl I love the Halberd twohanded running R1 when slowed by water and no rusty ring.. The way it basically has no windup. Assuming they didn't patch that, been a while since I played.
DaveControl Haha me too I played dark souls during a period where my internet was gone it was glorious
12:03 Mat... did you just call Sif a “little creature”
13:02 okay Jirard, no. Just, no. In what alternate dimension is killing a zombified god of light and then lighting the entire world on fire *with your soul* not satisfying?
Sif is always a little creature of fluff in the eyes of the feels once he starts limping... I still cry about it sometimes...
Kakyoin did you lay this egg, also rusted iron ring clearly needs nerf lol
@@literalcancer8810 it’s been so long since I’ve heard that, that really put a smile on my face
This video is really hilarius, because literally ALL the points for Dark Souls to suck are, lies or just misused to be right, and just the ones who doesn't play the game would believe
I say the comparison to Ocarina of Time's combat is pretty accurate!
Eatsoup3 nah. They have very different combat. People who hide behind shields aren’t really experiencing the game fully in my opinion
@@Eatsoup3 Not at all. In OOT you literally had to wait on everything to happen to attack. It was pretty much mindless. In Ds you have to learn which moves are safe to attack on and which ones you should take your chances on. Ocarina of time was wait for guy to become blue then hit it was completely obvious to anyone when you're suplosed to strike.
i'm going to say it, its hilarious that you can't spell hilarious. i'm sry, it had to be done. also, i can't tell if you are defending dark souls or not.
@@teach9731 I'm going to say it, it's hilarious you misplaced 'it's' with 'its'. (I'm actually really sorry but I think you should've saw it coming.) By the way, I believe he is defending Dark Souls, this video was honestly pretty garbage and Bruno is spitting facts.
I guess someone didn't talk to the Crestfallen Warrior enough, because he explicitly tells you how to get back to the Asylum .
It's okay Jirard has the brainpower of a gnat so it's doubtful he even saw the NPC to begin with
Does he really? I've beaten the game like eight times and never heard him say that.
pureblackeagle He says he saw someone go up to the Crow's nest and curl up into a ball then get taken away.
Like many things in Dark Souls, it requires the listener to actually pay attention a little bit, so people think it's impossibly hard to decipher.
He was amused that the small ring that he took at the beginning didn't do the effect that was on the description so he didn't believe anything later.
And we can not forget about frampt the guy that tells you how to beat the game that's direction right there
The Rusted Iron Ring is FAR from essential. And large portions? Are you kidding me? The only times the water is ever high enough to warrant using the ring is Blighttown and the Hydra fight in Darkroot Basin. Also, humanity being crucial? Yeah right. Yes it does affect your stats (i.e. item find and resistances) but only ever so slightly. The only real use for it is item find, which is more of a perk than a necessity. How NPCs treat you? Yeah, they have different dialogue towards you, but none of which affect anything at all. No quests, no different results, etc. And reverse engineering to figure out how it works? What are you even talking about? The game tells you about the important stuff, like using it to become human and how being human makes online play possible, while the smaller stuff like slight stat differences and item find can be easily observed by looking at your stat screen, popping a Humanity, and looking again to see what changes. Not that hard. Reverse engineering, my butt. Really the only good point he makes is the Tiny Being's Ring description, but A: that's such a small thing it's hardly warranting calling the game sloppy and B: it's a mistranslation, so it's not the game itself, but the team that did the translating. I feel like the "Dark Sucks" side of the debate was just scrounging for straws for their points. If you want to talk about something sloppy, it'd be that side of the debate.
there are no quest releted to humanity. you can finnish whole game as hollow.
That is good to know.
why would you ever use it in the dark root basin? the dead knight is the perfect safe zone just site down, hold up another shield for extra protection
LeadFaun I don't know why, you can easily beat the game without summons
Ethan Schmidt you think about video games WAY to much
Jirard doesnt seem to understand that you can deal with enemies by flanking, kicking, or just hitting their shield because they almost always counterattack, leaving them open for a parry or just to hit them. This really isnt that complicated.
The F.A.P Ring is the most essential ring to be a thicc boi.
9:54 there is a secret bonfire pat is such a casual scrub
Also there is a shortcut to the beggining of sen fortress right at the boss door.
BeaverGodz wait that bonfire is supposed to be a secret?
I don't think so, if you follow the path through the explosives it kind of drops you off right at the balcony. At the very worst, it's another of the "hidden" bonfires like the ones that exist behind fake walls.
Not "secret" like Painted World (or, really, the DLC)
Ajaarg el Ajaarg that sounds right
theres the "secret" bonfire next to Sif
Do they even play dark souls? the real issues and finer points of the game were completely missed.
Bahahahaha1 Like enemies hitting you through walls and lag from the fire breath in first game? I hate that a ton
But enemies can swing wildly in narrow alleyways while your weapon bounces back
Never had any problems with hitting the wall. You can aim your swing to go through the wall if you don't hit it directly
Elaborate?
They were mainly talking about its design philosophy and whether or not it lead to the game being cheap and broken, or thematic. I think they covered what they needed, but if you don't think so, can you explain?
Do keep in mind that this series is called 'Deadlock.'
They deliberately leave out important points/exaggerate unimportant things for the sake of making the argument appear to be equal, when in fact it isn't.
5:21 that is literally a traduction mistake. I play the spanish version (i'm from Paraguay) and i'ts well translated
that’s a good point i also forget that dark souls is originally in japanese
I'm confused, did you even play dark souls? "You need the rusted iron ring to get past huge parts of the game?" That's just dumb.
I used it for a couple minutes so I can get to Quelaag because I was impatient, and a little bit for the Hydra to unlock the DLC. But apparently its the “most important item in the game”.
I finished the game and all dlc but I don't even remember that ring
I used it my first playthrough because someone told me how to get back to the asylum and I just thought "alright yeah I'll use it." After watching this video, i tried playing without it and sure getting to Quelaag and fighting the Hydra were a little tedious without it on, but it didn't make the game much more difficult. I like Jirard, and he might not even think this anymore, but ever thinking that the ring is needed for huge chunks of the game baffles me. Literally the only places it benefits you is blighttown swamp, gaping dragon boss fight (I think, but if not, you still didn't need it anyways), darkroot basin, and ash lake. Half of those things are optional side things anyway lol.
Rusted Iron Ring
"""necessary"""
+Alino you do realize the ring you're talking about is the orange charred ring right? not the rusted iron ring.
+Ayyelmao well actually, using the iron rusted ring with the quelana set and the ring of fire resistance can help you to walk for some time on lava
No, definitely not. The only place where I can see someone really needing that is when fighting the Hydra, but that fight is a breeze even without it.
i didn't even know that thing existed, let alone what it does until i saw some guy using it in a video i watched after my second playthrough. and all i thought was, uhm, yeah i can use that when i run across the poison swamp in blighttown but... yeah that's about it.
I've beat the game multiple times by myself without the rusted ring
5:28 jirard makes a somewhat good point, but proceeds to repeat said point multiple times....
he pulled a Leafy on us ;-;
Richard Now, why should I "kalm myself"?
Daniel Herrera isnt that a town in some videogame?
Oh yeah...ff7
+Richard don't dodge the question wuss.
+Richard I like you.
Temporary_Friend i like me too
When I finally learned how to parry it felt like a whole new game
basically neither of the points either side made actually made sense
What was wrong with Mat's arguments?
Ah yes iron ring
No they made sense, you just don't understand it.
@@ssjdarkdrakus5291 No they didn't make sense or they were just lame arguments.
Gannon Hunt you’ve never played the game have you?
It seems that both of those guys have not the slightes idea of the game... ridiculous
+3DS Master Race Yeah, I know. Rusted iron ring? Ffs, not nessecary at all.
+Matthijs de Jong It's not the Lord Vessel or the Charred ring
+Somecooltoad Or the Covenant of Artorias
+Somecooltoad Charred ring isn't necessary in the slightest. Just use the shortcut.
+Matthijs de Jong I know I found that on my own
I know this is a very clichee thing to say, but..... I think Jerard simply didn't understand Dark Souls.
TheShonenJumper he played it to 100% about 5 times
of course he wouldnt like it
TheShonenJumper
Thundahgolem No I wouldn't, but that doesnt really negate my argument tbh.
OR maybe he did and ACTUALLY MADE EXTREMELY VALID POINTS IN HIS ARGUMENT. And by the way, in case you forgot, he doesn't necessarily agree with that view point! The argument sides for both Mat and Jirard were chosen randomly.
TheShonenJumper I think he actually does like it, he's just taking the negative side of the debate so that pat can defend it.
There are many clues to the iron ring. You probably see in the tutorial area, the key is clue indicating that you should go back, the guy sitting in the shrine tells you to use the crow's nest, you can clearly see the staircase that lead to it and if you paid attention when using the scalator, you would notice the path
I hate the rusted iron ring argument, it is completely unnecessary, I have gotten it in every single playthrough I had but never used it because, even though it makes certain parts tedious, walking slow in water isn't that crippling, I think the placement of this ring is genius, it makes the water areas more convenient, but you have to really look everywhere to have that little boost in speed.
Oh, also, Fighting is just block attack block attack, or run behind a boss and smack? Just don't fight that way. Dom't equip a shield and only dodge, fight bosses head on. Think the difficulty isn't that big, give yourself challenges, the argument "this game is too easy" is completely baseless in almost every game, because challenge can always be synthesized if you really want difficulty.
Who else flipped a lid when this dude tried to say that the Rusted Iron Ring was the, and I quote, "most essential part of the game" and that "you needed it for a large portion of the game". I went my whole first playthrough without even finding and never requesting the ability to walk faster through water. In my other 20 or so playthroughs, even after finding I never used it once because it was never that useful, especially compared to almost any other ring in the game. I know this was mostly a subjective argument, but come on. That's the best there is to argue that Dark Souls is a "broken game"?
Adversus Elitus
I can go though blight town without getting poisoned, sure its useful for the titanite demons in sens fortress but that's about it (not to mention the goo area is just a side area).
I never used it and I was fine too
I also ever got it and only learned about it the second time though
You don't even need to go trough blight town 😒
Yeah but its simpler if you do because i heard about it and i wanted to see what it was about so yeah even if you could skip it people would go there anyway for the loot and area in general
Here's a much quicker way of answering the question:
"Do I gain a sense of achievement when playing Dark Souls and have fun doing so?"
A: Yes
B: No
If A: Dark Souls doesn't suck.
If B: Dark Souls doesn't suck, you do.
10/10 for this comment
I r8 8/8 it's gr8 m8
But seriously I was thinking "git gud" the entire video
as a Dark Souls veteran I pick A
It's called a discussion, they are just discussing and questioning the Dark Souls franchise. But way to shut out any sort of criticism, how big of you.
Let's boil that down.If a, you are bad at dark souls.If b,you are very good at dark souls.So...you suck if you can play a game properly?
“Dark souls is unfair in difficulty”. Sounds like your just bad
Yeah git gud
The Dionysus says git gud
“Npc in dark souls lying to you” me: Patches
*Squats*
Yeah dark souls isn't a game you just run through the first time you run through it the second time
Truest comment yet
so... you have to play it at least twice rigth?
+Alejandro Garcia I'm on my third run now
Yeah at least i do
dark souls is a gret game and I live what they did with the difficulty
So the argument is, "I"M BAD AT VIDEO GAMES AND I CANT THINK FOR MYSELF! DARK SOULS SUCKS!"
Lol exactly what I was thinking. The dude arguing against Matt patt is just whining like a little bitch that he got raped multiple times and he can't beat the game
Look at the 2 badasses here
Andrew Penman Just pointing out that these arguments were shit, actually.
Chris The Wolf Can you put up a rebuttal argument? I'm interested in your perspective.
Brandon Vidal remember that in order there to be deadlock there must be two players. Just saying.
I was going to make fun of Girard for picking the Tiny Beings ring over the Master Key but when I played this game for the first time (and first time playing any Soulsborne game at all) I picked the Divine Blessing. Poor 2 years ago me. I wish I could’ve saved myself.
When I first picked it up I tried going in for a spellcasting build. So I picked the old witch ring went the whole first half of the game not realizing it didn't help sorceries and only got clued in by the dragoncrest ring description
I saw the title and immediately got pissed.
I've never needed the rusted iron ring. First point invalid.
exactly.
Finished 2 playthrough so without knowing it existed...so yeah not essential to get it at all
+TheCh0wderp You guys must not explore very much.
+Rieiid I explored quite a bit lol...like I fought the stray demon and stuff but I totally forgot about the cell door that led to the ring
+Noah Lanning makes me think he hasnt played at all. i believe he heard about requiring a ring to beat the game which there is, and got it mixed up with the rusted iron ring
The rusted iron ring really isn't the most important item in the game dude.....
And the Crestfallen warrior really says a lot, I thought the game was fair for the most part'
Edit: You can HEAR the giant at the top of sen's throwing things at you, and if you look up, you can see him. AND they give you an item to reduce the fire damage he does if you choose to explore nearby.
so you a pro dark souls player i see
Well that's what makes the game fun
+Method-D Easy-X I am no pro, i just enjoy the game.
Deamon Wolf
Meh too
+saedt You can also kill him and never worry about him pummeling you in the future; boss fight or exploration.
Ahhh yes, the Rusted Iron Ring! The thing I... Never used.
I love how dark souls forces you to adapt , that's the best part. Be good or be dead
You mean play like an absolute scared dork or die. How fun
The Rusted Iron Ring is practically irrelevant. You don't need it for anything, so not being obvious means nothing. Who cares if you can't get it? You really don't need it.
And the Tiny Being's Ring effect is a minor problem with no real consequences. Oh well, people will complain about anything.
though the rusted iron ring is basically irrelevant it is almost necessary when it comes to deal with the hydra and crystla giant to get to the artorias dlc though
Angel of Death Really? I never use it against them unless I'm trying to semi-speedrun
u have to admit the water slowing you down makes killing the hydra more difficult
That depends on your playstyle, but even if it's harder, the ring is far from necessary
*"The rusted iron ring is practically required to beat huge portions of the game"*
List of locations that the RIR is useful in:
Blighttown's poison swamp,
The area with the Hydra in Darkroot Basin.
That's it.
cjsTheCreeperEmpire The bottom of sen’s fortress isn't a “huge portion” of the game. Technically speaking the Hydra isn’t either unless you do the DLC
The depths?
@@preston21354 not the depths. The only area in the depth that has slow water has no enemys excepts an ambush slime
@@synysterbullett4166 I never even went to the bottom of sen's fortress
@@Sckeza it's main purpose is to kill the Titanite Demons for the Demon Titante. Really only needed to upgrade boss weapons.
10:07 The stairs to that giant it's literally behind the boss door and it's not hidden. Plus that, the giant don't spawn anymore when you kill it
The reason why Dark Souls tends to not be that fun for some is not JUST because it is hard and you do have to "git gud" but you do die and cheap and unfair ways like unseen traps which while hard and while beatable the next time around is not actually FUN. I play games to have fun and yes while Dark Souls can most certainly be a fun and rewarding experience, there is no arguing that some stuff is just cheap and frustrating.
Hm hm, Wich of izolith "boss" fight. And Capra demon.
name one trap that is unnoticeable
@Hermaeus Mora I guess the floor collapsing to the Stray Demon boss fight in the Asylum... I did not expect that nor do I see any points that signal the floor’s weakness.
Another one is in Lost Izalith, down to the poison water filled room.
However, those areas are not neccessary for the game to be beaten, so I guess they don’t really matter.
The argument that bothered me the most in this was him complaining about the last boss being lackluster. I think he missed the whole plot, and the whole point of the boss fight. (Spoilers, by the way) The last boss fight against Gwyn was supposed to be anticlimactic, because this is a lord who has given up all of his power to postpone the inevitable: the end of the age of fire. He gave up his soul to the first flame and is now nothing more than a hollow. He's a husk of a god, who once slew immortal dragons by the thousands, and brought the age of fire. You expect this huge god, casting thunderbolts at you from
above, but instead you're given this defeated shell of what was once a great lord, and is now no bigger than yourself, and can be parried like most of the basic enemies in the game. I know I'm just a huge lore nerd, but I found that to be a really powerful use of an anticlimax.
+malibu Yeah, I havn't played 2 yet but I hear it fell short in it's story as well as some of it's mechanics. Maybe 3 will finally come out with something new.
+malibu However, plot being repeated has no affect on the merits of the original. DS2, on the other hand...
+malibu except it didn't have the same plot....
+malibu sure they all have the same solid skeleton (though I feel this only applies to the dark souls series) but it is a solid framework and the most important parts are so different that I couldn't see myself tiring from it after ten releases.
And just to be clear the framework is: track down powerful souls, confront old king/queen, credits, and with 50-80 hours on a first playthrough that leaves a lot of differences
Beard Guy didn't understand
Miyazaki is behind him going "please, understand"
Just to let both of you know, there are many English translations from the Japanese version of Dark Souls that were incorrect in what they were saying, that tiny beings ring is one of them, the translator didn't know how to translate it and simply guessed what it meant, so that is the fault of the translators no necessarily the teams fault.
And being killed by the boulder in a sense was a cheap death BUT that is your OWN fault for not exploring the area around the fog gate, see the game taught you, trained you to go straight for the fog gate, and so because the fog gate at the Iron Golem was RIGHT IN FRONT of the spiral stair case leading to the giant that throws the boulder at you in the fight, you didn't pay attention to the other doorway and instead ran to the fog gate, which was their goal all along, this game punishes you for not exploring, and by this point in the game you will already have come across false walls and possibly mimics, so you should KNOW that this game is already trying to deceive you at every turn, and there are even some enemies that look harmless but ultimately have more than enough strength to put you down.
GamerHats Also why is it cheap when you bombardet by the gaint when you are still on your way up to the boss. I mean what is the first thing i would do if somebody bombards me with anything? I would try to fucking stop him!
Midnight Raven Because of people like you. You obviously didn't learn from your experiences and so you were punished. EVERYONE I've known figured out the chest trap. Yes, the first one catches you off guard - just like real life. Before you make that friend that stabs you in a back, does a little fairy pop up and tell you "Hey watch out! He might be dangerous!"? NO! You then LEARN from this experience, which it appears you didn't. You can attack the chest before you use it and know which one is a trap and which one isn't.
As for the giant, that's simply being more aware of your surrounding. I don't know which giant you're talking about, but anything over 2 feet tall is loud as hell when they walk, were you playing without sound? And how would you suggest them make it easier? Most of your deaths are off of things you have to learn, if you don't die to them it completely defeats the purpose of the game.
Midnight Raven I agree, everyone has different things that make a game fun to them. I don't really get frustrated playing games so the constant death only made me ache more with wanting to succeed, obviously everyone isn't this way and I understand full heartedly why someone would hate this game haha. I also agree with a few of the tricks, items shouldn't lie, but it was a translation error, they didn't actually mean to lie (in the case of the ring). Also that's dark souls 1, not dark souls 2 ;), but ya, I tried for like 10 minutes until my brain was just like 'Something is wrong dude' and I just ran around, I thought I was supposed to use an item or throw something at him but when I found the door I just smacked my face on the desk. But have fun with the rest of your high ;)
Midnight Raven The Game Theorists Dispersia Morock What everyone failed to bring up is that everything discussed is at the beginning of the game. Dark Souls 1 and 2 are easy at the end. Painfully easy, I farm the giant lord at new game +7 because I can. If he hits me once I'm dead, but I saw his attacks since the release of the game. Its easy! That giant is cheap, you can't know that will happen, but then you try again and kill it and move on. Most of the bosses aren't necessarily the same, but most are incredibly underwhelming. For example, the Demon of Song. Who saw that and thought, this will be difficult. I killed him first try, almost perfectly. Dark souls has issues, yet the game teaches you things you apply to other games. People speed run these games in 6 hours. With just their fists. The game becomes the same after you understand the levels. The level design is good and all but once you understand it all, there's nothing more to need. The game is unfair, but there is no doubt that if you make it out by the hair of your chin, that its a good feeling. You got lucky, don't screw it up. I run around to do things that make the game harder, because after you know what your doing. What else is there? If learning things the hard way was a game, it would be Dark souls. The whole argument about "changing the game,". This is flawed because they just took the game and through stuff in there. The pendant doesn't add to the game, you just learn to not pick it. The DLC's are all cheap, nothing fair about it. Seriously, nothing. They make stuff just to screw you over. So, Dark Souls is a game series for Masochists OR for those dedicated enough to get to the easy part.
GamerHats hey JoJo
A lot of Jirard's comments about item descriptions were fixed in Remastered.
pie remember this came out in 2015 remastered came out 2018 not trying to be rude we both hate this video it’s just that this was a cash grab at a game and these people probably didn’t play but about 10% and quit at gargoyles
Dark souls is the most fair game I've ever played. Since it doesn't hold your hand yet it has good fighting mechanics I believe that makes it fair. Jirard is being a baby.
+Eric McAllister It's a great game, but I agree that there are some huge bullshits here and there. *Cough* Bed Of Chaos.
Eric McAllister it actually does, they are sloppy and slow
minihalkoja "dark souls is the most fair game I've ever played" tfw this comment was written by a bonewheel skeleton
All these people failing to realize that this is a scripted argument...
@@KitsuneYojimbo no it's clearly real
I don't agree with the block block attack thing. in dark souls it block attack dodge dodge attack heal panic cry OH GOD!!!
sirix087 as a guy who has played through like 6 times now i can honestly say that every single playthrough has been like that
Blocking in DS lul git gud
Martin Hejník if you have never triedblocking in dark souls you must die alot
*parry*
Emmanuel Gapud *deal 1,000,000 damage*
all the arguments the bearded guy said are wrong , it's like you're trying so hard to find some but you just can't so you go with stupid shit like "it's unfair "
+djay T-b To be fair even if the game is great it is unfair at times.Ok i do understand that you can actually dodge almost all attacks if not all, but when you start the game and almost all enemy attacks actually seek you if you dodged too early ,even when the enemy is fucking in the middle of dropping after a jump , you can't actually tell me that it isn't unfair.
The game is indeed unfair , quite often actually , but in the end you have to adapt to those rules.
I recently bought the game and finished it , and now i am in the middle of a Sl1 run.And even though that i have adapted quite well in the game i can't help raging when an enemy auto corrects his direction to hit me , even if that requires the model to actually rotate more than 90 degrees towards me.
I know that i can dodge him but i always fell that i shouldn't have to.
It's not normal after all.
Achilleas Kifonidis if your have a chance to dodge or block it is not unfair , unfair would be un-dodgable and un-blockable
+djay T-b Yes cause a newcomer who has a hard time dodging will be really happy that enemies has player seeking skills.Just for one moment when commenting forget that you have 100+hours on your back in this game.No one starts with 100+ hours of experience .And again if you miss if the enemy moves an inch away than it is unfair that enemy attacks seek you.
Achilleas Kifonidis but learning is a part of why is this game beautiful , and don't forget that if you want to play ds you'll have to git gud
+djay T-b Well i know this is the only reason i went for Sl1 on my second playthrough .The hardest the difficulty the faster you adapt but that doesn't mean that it isn't unfair ,it means that it is unfair but after you get slapped and thrown down ( I'm looking at you Bed of Chaos) you are forced to get up and beat the crap out of it.
And to be fair this is one of the most addicting game ,if not the most, i have ever played.
Many games have caught my attention and made me play for hours each session, but Dark Souls is one of few games that kept me bolted to the chair until i bested that boss or passed that area ( i still haven't succeeded to parry Anor Londo's silver knights arrows ,i always dodge them).
In starts unfair frustrating you any way possible but it get's fun and addicting really fast.
Years later and im still confused on what you need that rusted iron ring for.
It makes it easier to traverse blight town and fight the hydras. That's about it.
Regarding Mat's talk about Sif's limping. They kinda recreated it in the Old Demon King in 3. Sure, he's not as cute, but when he gets bellow 20%, he expels all his power in a desperate attempt to kill you, and then is reduced to ash. Too weak to lift his hammer, just trying to scare you away. It's sad
*argues over if the game is gud*
*doesnt meantion the lore ONCE*
*says rusted iron ring is N E C E S S A R Y*
Because the lore is basically irrelevant to the game. The aesthetic is the setting. There's no lore to meaningfully interact with beyond the gameplay itself.
If the lore is boring then how could it help the game?
The lore itself isn't necessarily boring, that's down to preference. What is boring however, is how it's presented. It's static and has no bearing on your progression, aside from incoherent drivel from the NPCs, there's no way to consume it in a way that's meaningful to you, the protagonist.
@@caolan1083 such is a flawed statement if u look at all the decisions u can make to change the story. I mean look at the dlc. Tell me the understanding of the legacy of artorias does not progress the lore. Anyways this comment is late so nobody is gon reas this. Have a good day:)
@@apples7848 I read it and I don't think it has any bearing on what I've said.
Dark souls has actually taught me to PAY attention. In most games I always am like "LEEROY JENKINS" and always die over and over and over. Then dark souls came and I did that, and rushed in, and died. I did understand the slow pace of the game and understood that to play the game I need to think, pay attention to what's around me and adapt to it, and finally, and just maybe, defeat everything.
It took me over 200 hours to beat the game, and 150 of them were lost to a save file error. I was angry, I was FUCKING furious, but I loaded up a brand new one and started again, and come the end, I had never felt SO happy for beating a difficult game.
Here is to dark souls, the game that told me to not be a fucking ignorant gamer, and is downright my favourite rog
*rpg
***** Dark Souls > Skyrim
***** I don't play PC
The rusted iron ring isn't even needed for any point of the game either, if he was talking about say the Lord Vessel, yes, but even then you are told you find it in Anor Londo by a giant snake with a moustache, and the first blacksmith you (usually) find tells you Anor Londo is through Sen's Fortress.
Idiots, man...
I only ever used the rusted iron ring to fight the hydra. That's really it
Every single thing that Jirard said (aside from some dumb enemy placements) was completely and totally incorrect.
even then though, a player who had been learning from the game would have explored more before going through the boss fog, looking for a bonfire. This player would have gone up the stairs outside the iron golem's boss fog and found the giant with the boulders, even if they didn't find the bonfire at the top of the fortress, or the shortcut down to the first floor of it.
Dude, is not that easy to get lost in Dark Souls, is hard enough in that matter to bring you a good experience o being lost.
1) Rusted iron ring is not essential
2) You don't figure everything out without clue, talk more to the NPC's, read item descriptions and pay attention to the level.
3) Ocarina of time and dark souls are some what similiar because zelda was one of inspiration
4) About the strategy for the bosses, good luck with that against Artorias, O&S, Manus even Gwyn without parry
Ocarina of Time made progression feel fun whilst Dark Souls makes progression feel like I'm spending three years to grind a single level.
i feel the opposite. but to each their own I enjoy OOT but I enjoy DS more...both are now classics & great games, the challenge in dark souls isnt even THAT hard....my god...people make DS like "man takes me forever, game is way too hard" I did Dark Souls, Dark souls 2, Dark Souls 3 - sure there was some challenge & some parts that felt cheap, and its not a perfect game (nobody saying it is). But I've enjoyed both games (and both franchises equally).
4) aren’t those bosses from DLC?
And forgive my wall of text but, my last run was just a normal run and I beat it around SL75. Stat levels are primarily about "I need this number to use this thing." Don't worry about amassing power through leveling. There are easier ways. When all is said and done, if you have the extra souls to drop some points here and there, cool. If not, there are other ways to accomplish your objectives. But also learn to economize your soul use. If I am doing a faith build, I don't always need to drop 50 pts on Fai, 50 on Dex and 50 on Str. You are not getting your money (souls) worth. Diminished returns. One thing you could do in such a case is get STR/DEX just high enough to handle the weapon you want to use, ascend it to Divine and drop a bunch on FAI. This way, your FAI is scaling your divine weapon AND letting you access miracles. Economy.
Iron ring? I beat it without even knowing it was in the game
he's talking about completion he is the completionist after all
He's not talking about completion... he literally said that the rusted iron ring is the 'most essential item in the game'. He says it's 'necessary for HUGE chunks of the game' and he's completely wrong.
After he brings up the iron ring he starts to talk about the life ring, and then doesn't shut up about it. This is how debates work 10/10
played the game for the first time without any help from the internet, didn't even know that there was a ring that could do that. i guess it would've made the fight against the hydra less obnoxious, especially the first time when i didn't know what the hell i was supposed to be doing, but you can beat the game just fine without it
6 full playthroughs including one on ng+ and I’ve never found it or needed it a single time, like, what is he taking about??? “”””””essential”””””
1:45
Okay, The reaction to what he said was gold
"The only hard thing in Dark Souls is stupidity of the player"
Their stupidity in starting up the game
The only hard part really is the memorizing, which could take some big trial and error minutes until you memorize everything, and finally, master it.
It's far from the hardest game, like, play any retro Shmup on the hardest difficulty and see how pixel perfect movement is the true hard stuff to do, same with fighting games when you get to the big boys fighting matches
Both of you need to get gud
You don't have to wait to attack
there is another bonfire Right before Iron Tarkus
the game is not unfair YOU are just bad
True. They're lucky they don't go back to the beginning of the game if they run out of lives XD
+ahmed kabbary The games arnt unfair, they just hold a reasonable expectation of your ability to learn from experience and adapt.
+Cretaal That would take away the whole point of dark souls than
This. Exactly this is why the ds fanbase is so cancerous.
nobody talked about the true boss of the game...
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pablo eskebab I never beat him he just got stuck on everything and didn't move
The real hardest boss of dark souls is gravity
lol
Correct
CLIFFS
It’s funny, you can tell he didn’t want to argue against dark souls, he knows it’s good, but the wheel made him against it XD that’s why all his arguments suck
Darian Rizzo yeah no, couldn't tell. The wheel is probably just for the sake of making it like a game show.
Yeah, I've seen his DS 2 review, and he likes it.
I hope so
SkepticalRowan ahh so he’s a masochist
@@Euclidiuss so did Hbomberguy and look how that turned out
"Block block hit that's all it is" *cough cough* stamina *cough cough*
Jirard saying that the giant throwing the fire bomb at you during the battle was unfair doesn't make sense the giant was throwing the bombs for that entire part of the level if he'd have paid attention he would've killed the giant immediately
not to mention that with the wording a of how matpat was "calculating" it seams like the iant took it's sweat as time throwing that boulder
10:06-10:20 (sigh) you people might be masochists ya know
Did you even pay attention that it wasnt him fighting?
The giant actually helped me kill the iron golem
And the stairs to the giant are behind the entrace to the boss fight, not even hidden
The small being's ring part is overreacted as hell, the other starting gifts arren't giving you huge advantage either.
Bed of Chaos
Yeah, but nothing is permanent, besides, who wants to skip bosses in a souls game?
Oh man Capra took me 23 tries
Yeah, I had a +14 Demon Greataxe and 53 strenght, so it basically was a one shot kill
Yeah man, also in ng+
I hate the argument that’s it’s “unfair” or “unrewarding.” If u don’t take the time to learn enemy attack patterns, placement, etc, then yes it can seem extremely hard and is y so many people cannot deal with it anymore. However, after u take the time, u know what to do, u know where to dodge, attack, heal, etc. The whole argument about the slow combat also gets on my nerves. From an aesthetic stand point, back in medieval times that was how fights were fought. It wouldn’t make sense to have this big knight in heavy protective armor zooming around the arena. If it really bothers u, I recommend bloodborne, where combat is extremely quick and rewarding to an offensive play style.
No, as someone who actually liked the first dark souls the least out of the entire series, upon replaying the game last week, Dark Souls is easily the best in the series, and the entire franchise as a whole is phenomenal fun.
But two is worst undoubtedly
@@Cheese-Crust yeah but it’s still a good game
@@thatloserderek536 sure if you're a masochist.
@@Cheese-Crust I guess
@@Cheese-Crust get ready for ambushes lol
I don't remember ever really NEEDING the Rusty Iron Ring, I just remember it making the game easier.
TheZeroSbr Also, only noobs just sit and wait with their shields up. Backstabbing is a thing, and the Shotel can go around shields. Don't sit there and tell me that the combat in Dark Souls sucks, because it doesn't.
That said, Gerard has a lot of good points about the BS in Dark Souls. The whole "revisit Undead Asylum" thing is so out of the way and stuffed into a corner that I doubt people found out that you could go back until someone opened up the game and found the coding/assets for the other boss there.
The fact that you need to exploit a glitch to get out of certain stunlocks (toggle your weapons at the right time) is BS. The way the invasion system is handled is BS. And there are parts of the landscape geometry that are just poorly done. Darkroot Garden, for example, has several floating trees and small bushes/trees that are clearly unintended. That's just laziness.
The geometry itself can screw you over, since certain parts are angular for whatever reason, and it can make you fall or otherwise impede your movement. There's an example of the latter in Darkroot Garden, and there are plenty of examples of the former in Blighttown.
TheZeroSbr I figured it out on my own. There was items I couldn't get to on my first run through. I saw the crow hanging around the ruins and figured I could probably get up to talk to him somehow and he might take me back to the asylum.
I also didn't get the ring until after the swamp so in my eyes Gerard's point is totally irrelevant.
I do agree that the stats and items could be better explained and have better means of comparison.
theTYTAN3 The crow being there made me think "huh, maybe I can talk to him, or he'll do something for me" at first, but then I gave up after a while since there didn't seem to be a way to get to him. And then when I found out the whole elevator/rolling to the pillar, I facepalmed. Even if you know where to go, the roll to the pillar can't be done if you're playing at 60fps. I shouldn't have to cap myself at 30, even if it can be done in-game. The engine just sucks.
It still has a lot of redeeming features, and those keep me playing. I just wish they would retool it, but I know I'll just have to wait for DS3 to come out.
The jump can't be made at 60 fps? why? I'm genuinely confused.
theTYTAN3 Jump is affected by fps. I don't know why, but DS2 has something similar with its durability for a while. Playing at 60 fps would make things break twice as fast.
WHO THE FUCK USES THE IRON RING?!? That argument is so weak.
Gilgamesh EXACTLY
Gilgamesh Have fun walking around in Blightown at a snail's pace.
it's not that big of a deal....
Gilgamesh A guy who invades someone in Blighttown or fights a guy at Darkroot Basin's lake. Otherwise I never found any use for it.
Gilgamesh its mainly used in the hydra battle, which is fully optional and reaps no real rewards if you dont used dragon scales or want to play the dlc, and blight town, which is a small, but painstaking segment of the total game. it truly is a weak argument, similarly the the tiny beings ring and the pyromancy. if you look in the item menu it will LITRERALY tell you that 0 int and 0 fth are needed for the spells. Another augment busted.
I like the combat the most of dark souls because of it's repeativeness. Since the combat doesn't change you are rewarded with what you learn and know. The combat also focuses you to learn and examine close wind ups and details. Real life fights focus on you protecting yourself and learning other people's patterns and wind ups. This makes the combat immersive. Also due to the amount of attacks an enemy has that goes out of order, every fight feels different.
Lol. Praising mind numbing repetitive combat. Impressive
This video was absolutely pointless
Rusted Iron ring is not important. At all. It's more of a buff than it is an essential item. All it allows you to do is run normally in water. Calling the combat repetitive is a shallow analysis considering use of environment is an option. Take Sens fortress. You can lure enemies into the same traps you're faced with. Secondly, you're giving multiple options when faced with combat. Take offense. How will you attack? R1 or R2. Okay now what. Is the enemy doing a predictable attack? Why not anticipate this and backstep R1. Maybe I should parry the attack
Or two hand the weapon dodge it and do more damage. Hell, why use a sword. I got 100s of other weapons with diverse movesets. Saying DS combat is waiting to attack is true, but ignores the details. That's not poor design, that's a poor argument. Also, humanity hard to comprehend? What's to comprehend. Humanity allows for PvP and co-op. It also restores hp. That's its only use, hardly anything one needs to know on first play through. The only argument worth note is the starting ring with false information. Its probably a typo and is a small flaw. But there's the keyword. Small. Hardly worth calling the game sloppy. I feel like the only arguments presented against dark souls in this video were highly misinformed.
As for the ending, that is highly subjective and depends on how intrigued you were by the narrative. Personally I love each ending. It gets the point across that neither ending is grand or important. The entire theme of the game is the inevitable end of all things, including the Age of Fire and Age of Man. To say the ending is lackluster as one of your main arguments is not very smart. This isn't a fact. There is no hard evidence to this claim. You can't make an argument based solely on preference.
Thumbs up!!!
ImKylin The problem here is that the enemy doesn't respond to your attacks, they don't have any AI
Preach! \[T] /
ImKylin Let me continue your sweet arguments. At the end, when he says the game doesn't give you the detailed information about the itens, and that people needs to hack the game to find out the exact stats of the itens. Well... in life, do you know how much of defense has a shield or how much of atack has a crowbar? do you know how much hitpoint do you lose when you stamble? that's the point... the game tries to hide the actual numbers so you will choose your equipment after you actually use it, try them all, and make you aproximate judgment... just like in real life.
Did he just say that Gwyn was a lackluster boss fight, wow that boss fight
is incredible!
To be fair you can parry repost and kill him extremely quickly.
there is a reason why Gwyn as a last boss is rather weak
+Mr. Fiddlesticks I agree but that soundtrack tho... it's my favourite soundtrack in a video game ever (with a Pokemon soundtrack at no. 2). The first time I entered the boss room I just stood there and was killed by Gwyn because I was overwhelmed by the music.
Great video! However, the Rusted Iron Ring is totally optional (though helpful). And when the Game Grumps played Demon’s Souls (which has very similar combat to Dark Souls), Arin (aka Egoraptor) said that the things he said about 3D Zelda combat in Sequelitus didn’t really apply to Demon’s Souls. Arin loved the combat in Demon’s Souls
Dude on the left is just mad bc he died to pinwheel and thought it sucked
I actually got kinda pissed just reading the title
it pisses you more when you hear the points they make. unfairly difficult? nah u just need to git gud. rusted iron ring necessary? I didn't even remembered that fuking ring existed. shallow fighting mechanics? like wtf kind of drugs are these dudes on?
#triggered
Yes me too and the Arguments the left guy makes are just the ones a Little crybaby would say
+Toreole Superzocker Way to refute them. Great job! You get a blue ribbon.
I got really mad when I saw the clickbait title, and after watching the video.
Well, why don't you, please, just fuckin' git gud?
He is a casul.
Shehryar Ali Mastering parry tactics is probably the most satisfying thing in DS. I love it.
Forgot the word scrub.
L The Fifteenth even though im bad at parrying i love the combat in dark souls. ;p
Istari Pallando Exactly.
I’ve only played Dark Souls but I’m not only a fan but a believer it’s one of the greatest games ever made.
People say the same for Half Life 2. Half life 2 is not the greatest FPS game.
only played ds...
but not only fan but a believer...
what...??
@SkepticalRowan
No one's ever played every FPS game in the industry unless they're some sort of die hard FPS fan. A lot of people simply agree that it is the best one they've ever played.
rusted iron ring make some area easier, it's not fucking needed, I've never used it once.
Kal Kuma
Kal Kuma I didn't even know it existed. I beat the game without it too.
***** U know what the roll button does? Is there anything in the tar pit that prevent u from finishing the game? Hydra? Who fight hydro with rusted iron ring? U'd get rekt anyway, the right thing to do is to shield up =_='
That dude is a fucking baby cry.
***** Wait a minute... For the Hydra? I've never even stepped into the water ONCE while fighting the Hydra, and I've killed it with several melee builds.
I got the Rusted Iron Ring in like my fourth playthrough. Good God, it was NEVER important.
Also, what do you mean, "It never tells you anything in the end."? I felt like I new a TON about the game on my first blind play through, on top of that, I'm actually INTELLIGENT and was able to figure out mechanics like humanity EASILY.
LeadFaun don't forget they are probably causals, so they probably didn't know most items in the game can give story's or more info on characters like Solaire's armor set
This black sprite is called humanity, but little is known about its true nature. If the soul is the source of all life, then what distinguishes the humanity we hold within ourselves?
so you figured out without the internet that this item, increases defence stats, makes some weapons way more powerful, heals you, makes people invade you, is farmable from rats, and is used in later quests for shortcuts better keep hold of it. and don't say the NPCs tell you because they can also lie to you.
INTELLIGENT is not the right word for that more like PSYCHIC.
windwaker0rules
You can see it increases your defences, and increases weapon damage, by checking your stats, use it with
No, that's exactly the right word for it. Intelligent. It's fairly obvious. The item description tells you it's for online. Also, what elijah said. The only one that's fairly hidden is the Chaos covenant shortcut, which you would eventually figure out if you bothered to level your covenants. Every cheap death in this game is avoidable, either by being good at the game, or exploring your surroundings well. Use your head man, it doesn't take a genius.
It's astounding how many people:
A. Don't know their names
B. Think that they actually think this strongly about their side of the arguments and get butthurt about it
The life ring's "typo" was probably a translation error.
I don't think it's a surprise given the amount of detail that's in the items lore.
You don't need that ring to beat the game.
Alex Funes Yeah, the best starting item is actually the Skeleton Key. All my runs have been with a skeleton key and I beat the game just fine.
Anime CPU He means the Rusted Iron, and no you don't, but it does make Blighttown a MUCH bigger pain.
"Large sections of the game." my shiny black ass.
Anime CPU *pushes up pretentious glasses* "Actually, Anime-san, it's called the Master Key," *slinks back into room and shuts door*
Luke Daniels ...Either way, point still stands.
Dapper Changeling Eh, I'd say it only makes a difference if you try and run straight through it. Just walking straight ahead to the other side of the area, like I ended up doing, was pretty simple. That or if you were farming there, holy shit.