Bronsexuals say Jordan played against bums. The last dance showed he eliminated 20 HoF players from the playoffs and the Bulls eliminated 7 sixty+ win teams, the most all the time.
Isn't it also funny that many Jordan fans also claim people that dominated the league in the 60's and 70's played against bums. I guess history repeats itself.
He eliminated more than just HoF players. The best players who have ever played at that position. Barkley, Malone the best power forwards of all time. Magic Johnson the greatest point guard ever. John Stockton, the third greatest point guard ever (after Zeke). Oh yeah Zeke, the second greatest point guard ever. Gary Payton, maybe the greatest defensive point guard ever. Patrick Ewing one of the greatest centers ever. Reggie Miller one of the greatest clutch three point shooters of all time etc. etc...
@@dennisheyes4561I Never heard anyone use "He played against bums" or "It was watered down league" until Bron fans started to attempt to say Brons the Goat. I also never heard an argument saying Jordan was faster, stronger and could jump higher as reasons he's the 🐐 until Bron fans. Jordan was considered the 🐐 based on his dominance. Bron lives in the age of analytics, which is cool, but stats can be misleading. Bron is going to have a ton of stats, but that's longevity, not greatness.
@@Avarice-Zero The league has had many great players over the years. There is no objective answer to the question who is the greatest player ever or what that would even mean? Any attempt to rank great players pretty much always ends up riddled with confirmation bias.
I'm a LeBron forever dude... but after watching the last dance and going through dozens of old film and UA-cam vids on MJ. I will concede. MJ is the GOAT. Dangggg LeBron not even close bruh.
Kylan Scott Tons of younger people don’t understand the energy and competition Jordan brought. He was put in such intense situations and always came through.
Lebron wouldnt even win in Jordan's era. He'd fold against the bad boys. Look at him in today's game. He flops, whines, scared of Kawhi. Can imagine how he'd handle the beating from Rodman, Laimbeer, and company.
Debatable.. A lot of low scoring basketball....80s Lakers and Celtics was unreal but you had other teams like 1988 Jazz, the high powered Mavs, Rockets and Nuggets, the Pistons, Hawks and 76ers that were really fun to watch.....PLUS nothing beats that CBS basketball game intro along with Brent Musburger commentating.
NBC WAS PURE EXCITEMENT, NANANANANANA NANANANANANA I'M TRYING TO SING D NBC THEME SONG INTRODUCTION😂😂😂😂😂😂😃 PURE EXCITEMENT THOSE WERE THE DAYS .ABC, IS SO BORING COMPARED TO NBC STEUPSSSSSS
@@tombrown8992 entertainment to d max d block where we were hanging out come nbc game time was like a ghost TOWNE ESPECIALLY IF MJ AND D BULLS ARE ON. BASKETBALL SO BORING NOW EH HMMM🤔 DONT GET DAT URGE TO WATCH D NBA LIKE BACK THEN,SORRY BUT DATS D HONEST TRUTH FROM MY HEART , TO SEE WHO STEUPSSSSSS
People really need to see MJ's full games not just the highlights to appreciate how great he truly was. He brought it on both sides of the floor each and every night. His offense was always there but his defense was also somerhing to marvel at.
@@jjjjjjaylon "weren't nearly as good" is like saying the Celtics, Pistons & Jazz weren't nearly as good and arguably top five of all time. Not every player was as skilled* is the correct statement. You seem like one of those peeps who tries to provide sound arguments, while hiding in a helm of bias.
Michael Jordan the definition of GOAT, there's a reason say the phrase " The Michael Jordan of"...a certain sport or field when describing the best of something.
Zenon Pyro Lebron is definitely above MJ as an athlete. He literally could’ve went to the NFL. He was the #1 prospect as a WR in Ohio. MJ was below average in the minor league. Lebron has been playing 35+ a night since he was 18 in the league and still is performing as if he was 25 at the age of 36. Jordan played on a great team. They won 55 games without him and almost went to the championship. Jordan played defense and offense ok. But he didn’t rebound assist the ball or any of that. Lebron is a superior athlete. Stronger. Faster. Smarter. Taller. Bigger. More talented. Jordan is just more accomplished. Y’all gotta separate “greatest” from “best”
hakeem Olajuwon owned Jordan beating him 11-5 times from 84'-93' and Jordan could never carry a team the way Olajuwon did every single season. Olajuwon is the goat
The theme song is still the greatest of all times for basketball. I’d say FOX has the best football theme of all time. But them lazy bums watered it down by using it for others sports like MLB.
Costas' rhetoric of chronicling MJ and the Bulls was borderline perfect. NBC crafted MJ'S all time greatness status as a question and the rest was history.
The most emotional moment for me from the last dance is when MJ tells the story of him telling his dad he was going to play baseball... after basketball greatness, in the peak of his power, anyother would had told him NO dont do it... but his father without blinking told him... yes YOU CAN DO IT.... always believe in your children and let em know and encourage them.... a big part of MJs succes was he had an incredible great Father
The last shot. The minute I saw jordan steal it, I knew he was gonna go down the court and make the shot. Like I had zero doubt. That last play really summed up what michael jordan was all about. The greatest
"Is there one moment that stands out?" Without a pause, Costas casually recounts three or four in stunning detail. At 68, he is still as sharp as ever.
I'm sick of hearing about Jordan, it's so boring... LeBron is way better in objective terms, he would destroy Jordan in 1-on-1 and he plays against much stronger competition than Jordan did, nobody ever gives LeBron credit for this.
@@armandodelossantos736 More like Jordan owned Bird, if you want to make it one on one. The Celtics as a team owned the Bulls because the Bulls hadn't developed a team yet. When they did, no one could stop them. Olajuwon?
@@kennethshouler3055 You said voice yes Marv has a great voice but Marv can't hold a candle to Costa's knowledge of basketball,baseball,football and the Olympics Costas is revolutionary in that he's so versatile but I get it you love the Yes and it counts! That's cute
They speak on it because it was hard to believe back then when Mike missed a shot like that cause we all know when it counts MJ the Goat showed up 99% of the time. MJ the G.O.A.T period!!
Yes, I'd forgotten about that shot. I was amazed when I saw it- double -pumped on a three to miss 2 defenders who were right in his face and almost banked it in. Missed by the slimmest of margins. Another in the long list of ancillary elements that push Jordan over the edge for GOAT. Its not just a comparison of basketball skills. Let's be honest, LeBron James can do things physically on the basketball court that MJ couldn't do as well. LeBron is bigger and stronger and he has transcendent skills. But MJ's level of competitive drive and calling on his body to do what it needs to do in the situation- LeBron just is not able to do that as consistently. But...Reggie Miller blatantly SHOVED MJ out of the way to get open for his three-pointer. Miller admitted it- smart move- "put the pressure on the officials to make that call" and he got away with it. BUT MJ NEVER UTTERED A SOUND OF COMPLAINT. Still hasn't to this day. He didn't even show any facial expression at the moment suggesting anything was wrong. What are the chances LeBron (or almost any modern player) says nothing if he is shoved in that situation?
Most points-NO, most rebounds-No, most championships-NO, most All star games-NO, most play off wins-NO. He may be the most important NBA player ever, maybe the most exciting; but there’s absolutely nothing to show that he’s the GOAT.
MrPernell27 Yeah, that’s why practically everybody he played against and everyone who covered him thinks he’s the GOAT. Because they all know less than you. 🤷♂️
@@MrPernell27 nothing? Not even having the highest scoring average ever? Or the most scoring titles ever? Or the most blocks all-time by a guard? Or 5 MVP'Ss? The most Finals MVP's of all-time? Third highest steals average ever? More scoring records than anyone? Highest scoring average in playoffs and finals? Nothing at all?
In 1998 I was 12, I still remember my obsession with MJ. I was SO LUCKY to be born in his era, and to watch him play. We flew from Mx to the States just to see him play. My hero. Bigger than the NBA itself. Period.
people forget Jordan was drafted by at the time one of the worse teams in the league that’s how those teams get 1st 2nd and 3rd pick , he had the worse team and people act surprised that they lost to bird ...really ...
@Jared Taylor man, so many don't recognize this. And the fact he did it for the love of the game basically just adds to who he was in my book. Did it work out perfectly? Nope, but he tried. He took the chance and didn't ring chase. He enjoyed the challenge!
@@SuperRosso1000 yes he did. Today's stars worried about their "legacy." Don't wanna be lumped in with Malone (Karl), Barkley, Ewing, Stockton, Reggie M & others. Oh no!
I am glad he talked about Isaiah Thomas, I watched every Bulls' game, and indeed, he always praised his plays and was accurate in his portrayal of what was happening on the court. I think he was a professional when calling the game during the NBC era, all bad blood aside.
Chek the facts: Jordan is the most individual decorated player in NBA history. Jordan has the highest Career point per game in regular season and playoffs, Jordan is the only player to win back-to-back to back finals MVPs, 2 times. It took lebron James 3 years to see the playoffs, Jordan got there in his rookie year. Lebron choked in 2011 finals scoring 17 points per game being guarded by Shawn Marion after going MIA. lebron James has more games scoring under 20 points in the finals (8) as MJ has his entire play offs career (6). Final lebron James single game record in finals is 18-31 (36%) which is lowest in finals history. Game over MJ 👑🐐
yes MJ is the GOAT.. but why do folks continue to compare Jordan and Lebron?? they are not the same player.... both dont even have the same skill set.... if anything Lebron is a super version of Magic Johnson..IMO.. and Jordan is by himself...
Ally White thanks for saying what I was thinking, I was wondering if he knew his facts. Kareem BY FAR the most decorated basketball CAREER of all time from amateur through professional......
@@ericduncan7421 so true..if u rethink clearly, this lebron leaping past Kobe, kareem, etc is really debatable..many times he needed to be saved, had Allen or Kyrie not hit the dagger, he wouldn't have been on the mt rushmore
@@ericduncan7421 Pippen saved Jordan from routinely getting swept in the first round. Pippen is far greater than any player Lebron ever played with. Jordan had a far greater supporting cast than Lebron, but Lebron still made it to 3 more finals than him and will eventually have as many rings.
Especially with the uncalled travelling and double dribble stuff. The “Euro” step is so ugly looking and way too effective for what it takes to actually pull it off. Growing up in the 90s I clearly recall we were taught 1 and a half steps so basically your “gather” step and then one more. It looked so much better watching players do moves in the 90s using more precision with their footwork because it was demanded by the rules at the time.
I say return to 50's and 60's basketball. Two-hand hand checking, force outs and no flagrant fouls. There's a reason George Mikan retired after 10 broken bones.
@@distinctga5811 it really doesn't There's strong players not even centers that would be able to pressure and contain him like pip did to a lot of players in the 90s
This man has been out of da game going on two decades and they still talking about him like he just retired guys playing in today’s game want even come close cause da next good athlete that comes along they are try and compare him too mj he is da greatest so i wish they would with all of comparisons too him there will never be another one like him Kobe was da closest man too him
Practice after practice, winning is the only thing that matters. The amount of im gonna be able to knock out any one who try and test this to the point of everything is muscle memory......yo that is MJ. Practice makes perfect.
No excuses, no breaking his own hand, no loss in the finals, no jumping around to build superteams. Michael averaged 30+ a game while being defensive player of the year. No comparison.
Bob Costas was there for each of the Bulls championships. Marv was around except for the last one in 98, Czar was around for the 1st 3-peat, Hannah Storm was there for the 2nd 3-peat. Much respect to Bob praising Isiah Thomas' respect n' class for MJ b/c he's absolutely right about that. Every game he did with Costas, Thomas had a genuine sense of happiness, always *always* smiled
A lot of us watching this documentary saw it live on NBC or CBS growing up. That's why I appreciate it even more so now and personally re-affirms why I hate the comparison of the LeBron's, KD's, Steph's, Klay's, etc. of this era to who MJ was at his prime. Kobe is the only guard from the late 90s - thru the last 20 years that I think got close to him. If you asked anyone from the casual follower of hoops to the hardcore most of us would say Jordan was the best at that time even if he was responsible for denying our city a ring.
There is just a much difference reverence for Michael Jordan that doesn't quite exist with LeBron James. And what I notice is that it is even a different reverence among their peers in the game between Michael and LeBron. It seems as we are experiencing LeBron that we are of course watching greatness at hand but LeBron also feels very touchable if you get me. LeBron's peers aren't intimidated by him and many more guys are willing to try LeBron even though more times than not they will end up on the short side. With Michael there is a mythical feel like your watching Greek mythology in the flesh. Michael's peers either actively reveled while playing against Michael or at times there was a sense of fear and intimidation against Michael. With LeBron a lot of that may have to do with his personality which is no fault and also for the fact that we have seen Bron lose a number of times on the biggest stage in basketball most of the time. Michael has a pristine record and there is a lot more artistry in Michael's game. Kobe had much much more artistry in his game than LeBron also. The reverence overall is just staggeringly different between LeBron and Michael. I would even say there is more reverence for Kobe a little more at this point than Bron.
Im pretty sure Kobe’s death would equal more reverence. Lol...And if LeBron didnt get “reverence” explain why he was voted the 2nd best player ever? Explain why the ratings dropped in the NBA once he left the East. Silly talk.
MJ Changed the game. endeared the game to so many local and international audience. He raised the stakes and cheques for his fellow Basketballers because of the Increased Revenue his image brought to the NBA. So many countries that were'nt big on Basketball started seeing great acceptance. He totally changed the way we see the NBA. I remember all of this as a kid growing up in the MJ era. He was larger than life and totally was the face of the NBA. There is no one in the history of the NBA that has done this much for the game all round. This was just a great documentary and nostalgic cocktail for me. Thank you ESPN.
lebron has more points overall and more points per game more assists per game more rebounds per game and better fg% and better 3 pt% and more regular season mvps and more finals mvps lol whatelse is there kobe is not top 20 alltime whereas lebron is the goat
It speaks to Isaiah Thomas's class and respect for Michael Jordan when Bob Costas said that he never heard Thomas slight or disrespect Jordan and praised him as the greatest player he's ever seen.
Bob looks freaking amazing for his age, just flawless, whatever it is, keep doing it Bob, you look great. A true national treasure in sports broadcasting.
"you know what? strength is one thing and lots of guys are strong, lots of guys with skills, and only one guy has this level of artistry" Bob costas's on MJ... what a legend both of them
Of course Michael was the greatest NBA player ever; I can show you all the scars from the thorns he cut into my side all through the 90's against my NY Knicks!
Only player to win MVP, DPOY, & scoring title in the same yr? The GOAT aka MJ. It will NEVER be done again! If the conversation included defense there can't even be a debate! MJ has 10 scoring titles & 9 first all defensive team selections. MJ is the best 2 way player ever & that's why he's the GOAT!
@@nassergabriel4778 he won it together with his teammates. He had a great coach, Pippen who passed him the ball, Rodman who rebound the ball, not to mention even Kukoc can score for him. We can't talk about jordan being great if we are not including his teammates. So yeah, Jordan is the greatest of all time
Think about this , Michael Jordan doing moves before Kobe, Iverson, LeBron, T-Mac, Curry, Kawhi and Melo combined., that's why every commentator if Jordan does a move "they will say" I've never seen anything like that", even the opponents bench reaction was priceless, he was so smooth, Jordan moves differently at that time, he was like a player came from the future.
Jordan was as good as advertised. Definitely. He was hype that delivered. Last minute shots, flying to the basket. Jordan made basketball popular worldwide. He was a superstar. I saw him arrive with the bulls at Madison Square Garden 1996 and he was not even that tall. 6 foot 3 or 6 foot 4 at best. How he got up so high was incredible. Goat.
Jordan,Koby,Canelo,Phelps, Brady have such a discipline frame of mind. These guys give there life’s to their respective crafts to seek immortality. I dive into this topic on my channel and find them extremely fascinating.
Literally the entire basketball world is saying this yet some random clueless millennial on youtube, must know better... haha :) They are entertaining to say the least. The comparisons should stop. There is simply no debate.
It’s ridiculous that some kids had to watch The Last Dance to realize that MJ is the GOAT. It’s awesome that other kids already knew it. Big ups to them! 🤘 🏀
I’m one of those kids that had to watch The Last Dance to understand that MJ is the actual GOAT. You see it’s hard to be objective when you grow up watching Lebron, so I get why kids these days believe he is the greatest. I’m glad I watched the documentary and MJ’s greatness! 🐐
The man DID NOT team hop to get it. He didn't publicly cry for specific players to join him. Did he do so behind the scenes? Perhaps. But he didn't publicly embarrass mgmt in the press with his demands or requests.
1. MJ 2. Kobe 3. Bill Russell Real ballers know. Kobe is the only one close to Mike's mindset. That's what greatness is. A mindset, a toughness, a relentlessness. LeBron would be 1-8 in the Finals if Ray and Kyrie missed those 3's. The only reason LeBron is in the goat conversation is because those two shots went in. LeBron didn't even have the courage to do one dunk contest, much less take the biggest shots in the biggest moments. LeBron couldn't even take Steph Curry one-on-one with everything on the line in Game 1 of the 2018 Finals. Instead, he passed it to George Hill.
The amount of hate against LeBron is insane. I believe MJ is the GOAT. That’s simple. I also believe that LeBron is better than Kobe. LeBron has never shot his team out of a basketball game. Kobe doesn’t have as many memorable playoff/finals games as LeBron. I love Kobe’s “Mamba Mentality,” but it has become an issue in the past for his team. No hate towards Kobe, just the way I see it.
Omar Rios people forget the pacers finals especially the close out games were shaq had to carry his team and Kobe shot like 12-47 in both close out games
Kellz Jordan shot 36% against the SuperSonics, and had it not been for Scottie Pippen’s Heroics he would’ve shot them out the game. Be real, Kobe and Jordan BOTH have flaws. They’re Human and have off times. Remind you Kobe was under 25 when that happened.
I can back it up with numbers, made my own list based not on my opinion, but 7 categories scored on a point system I made up and scoring them based on anything they accomplished that can be applied to each category, rarer accomplishments awarded more than common ones on a descending scale, every criteria you can come up with taken into account, the categories are Winning(Titles, Playoff App., and Playoff success), Stats(Advanced & Analytics too), Playoffs(Winning reimposed and scored with Playoff stats, Advanced Stats, and Analytics and All time rankings in stats), Dominance(shortest list, who was the best at their best for the longest, years considered best player in NBA and accomplishments over that period), Individual Accomplishment (Awards, Stat Leads, etc.), Defensive (DPOY, All NBA Defense selections, etc.) and Shooting(FG, 2P, 3P, FT%, FGM, 2PM, 3PM, FTM, True shooting %, Effective FG%, and all time ranking in those stats, kinda makes a mess of the whole thing as it is mostly role players in the top 25, somehow comes out where shooting is the least important thing when you're looking at the greatest basketball player ever lol) add all there scores from each appearance together to get composite score, set a base line for whoever played the fewest seasons(Larry Bird) subtract points for those who played longer based on how much longer, bonus points for any accomplishments where they were the only one to ever do it, and... it's Jordan, shocking I know lol, you still can't make a case for Lebron over Jordan, and he is 3 years deeper than Jordan if you include tge 2 seasons as the withered Wizard where Jordan was still a top 10 player in the league in his 40s, Jordan is #1 in 3 of 7 categories, he is #2 on 2 more, top 10 in everything but shooting and above Lebron on all 6 that they are both on, and would probably rate higher in shooting as well, so with all my work and research put in, to see that no Lebron is not on Jordan's level, why would I listen to some emotional fan boy who hasn't done any of that research, who just wants to be right and therefore can't admit they're wrong tell me otherwise 🙄 Jordan is the GOAT, Lebron is not 2nd, Kareem is, Lebron is not 3rd, Bill Russell is, Lebron's title last year put him on the Mount Rushmore, he's 4th now, with a bigger gap between him and Bill Russell at 3rd than there is between Russell and Jordan on the top of the list, that's not my opinion, that's what the numbers say, hate it all you want, is what it is
I would say that you can make a case for Kareem, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Kobe, LBJ, Wilt, Russell but in my eyes, MJ gave me the most beautiful basketball I've ever seen. "None of them contest the judgment, it's not a consensus anymore it's virtually by acclamation that he is the greatest player to have played. Well said, Mr. Costas.
Im, actually, glad Bob pointed that out about Zeke at the end. He stayed a true professional. I wonder how many people caught on to that during this series
Most awards in NBA history - MJ Highest scoring average in NBA history - MJ Highest scoring avg/playoffs - MJ Most all-defensive first teams - MJ Highest PER in NBA history - MJ Highest win shares/48 - MJ Highest win shares/48 playoffs - MJ Most 60+ teams eliminated - MJ Most 200stl/100blk seasons - MJ Highest scoring avg/DPOTY - MJ Most finals MVP in NBA history - MJ Most playoff records in NBA history - MJ Most back to back 50pt/Playoffs - MJ Highest game score in NBA history - MJ Best game-winner FG% in NBA history- MJ
The players have been saying that MJ is the GOAT for the past 20 plus years until now. Lebron is great but his accession into the Goat conversation was manufactured by the sports media debate shows for ratings.
@Scavage Predator the players that were polled look it up. There hasn't been a poll done in the last 20 years including the one after Lebron won his 4th in the Bubble that MJ has not been voted the GOAT.
Bob clearly describes how it was to broadcast and see first hand the mystique that was MJ and the Bulls. Bravo!! I especially like how he clearly stated that Isiah’s professionalism was never compromised by the off the court relationship with Mike. In sports more so then any other facet of life personal contempt can be curbed to show respect for the skill of one’s craft, i.e. Mike saying that Isiah was the second greatest point guard behind Magic. As they say, ‘Game recognize game’.
You can't be the GOAT when you didn't go to college unlike MJ and still has less championship rings, MVPs, DPOTY and you got more finals losses than him. MJ is the gold standard.
There IS contesting MJ’s status as the GOAT! Other players can lay claim to that title: Kareem - 6 titles with two teams...really needs no explanation; Magic - single greatest leader ever, and could have raged 35-40 ppg if he had wanted to; Wilt - arguably the most dominant player ever, and freakishly athletic...would have dominated in any era; Kobe - MJ’s equal are both ends, won 3 titles with Shaq and 2 titles without Shaq or a sidekick...did it while LeBron, D-Wade, A.I., KG, TD, Shaq, Dirk, and J-Kidd were still in the league playing elite basketball. TD - 5 titles while Kobe, TD, Shaq, KG, LeBron, J-Kidd, Dirk, A.I., and D-Wade were in the league...most fundamentally sound player ever Bird - Dominated the 1980’s with Magic...revolutionary because he dominated without athletic abilities Oscar - ridiculously skilled player who would have dominated in any era; Shaq - Also arguably the most dominant player ever...won 3 titles with Kobe and a title without Kobe; Russell - easily the greatest winner ever...great leader and teammate...10 rings with Wilt, Nate Thurmond and others in the league! Jordan’s drawback was that the refereeing was rigged in his favor, and he played with Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, and Tony Kukoch (one of Europe’s greatest players ever). Jordan never won a title without Pippen, and he had a losing record against both Isiah and Bird. Time and David Stern’s directives beat them, not Jordan. I put Jordan well ahead of LeBron (who isn’t even top-10 to me), but this GOAT bullsh*t needs to stop. THERE IS NO GOAT IN ANY SPORT!
I dont get the LeBrons, they make no sense Regular season MVP : 5 vs 4 Finals MVP : 6 vs 3 Scoring Champions : 10 vs 1 Defensive player of the year and 1st team all Defense : 1 vs 0 & 9 vs 5 national college player of the year : 1 vs 0 Against 60-win teams in the playoffs: GOAT (7-2) | LeBron (3-4) Against 70-win teams in the playoffs: GOAT is a 70-win team | LeBron (1-0)
Bronsexuals say Jordan played against bums. The last dance showed he eliminated 20 HoF players from the playoffs and the Bulls eliminated 7 sixty+ win teams, the most all the time.
Isn't it also funny that many Jordan fans also claim people that dominated the league in the 60's and 70's played against bums. I guess history repeats itself.
Real Truth!
He eliminated more than just HoF players. The best players who have ever played at that position. Barkley, Malone the best power forwards of all time. Magic Johnson the greatest point guard ever. John Stockton, the third greatest point guard ever (after Zeke). Oh yeah Zeke, the second greatest point guard ever. Gary Payton, maybe the greatest defensive point guard ever. Patrick Ewing one of the greatest centers ever. Reggie Miller one of the greatest clutch three point shooters of all time etc. etc...
@@dennisheyes4561I Never heard anyone use "He played against bums" or "It was watered down league" until Bron fans started to attempt to say Brons the Goat. I also never heard an argument saying Jordan was faster, stronger and could jump higher as reasons he's the 🐐 until Bron fans. Jordan was considered the 🐐 based on his dominance. Bron lives in the age of analytics, which is cool, but stats can be misleading. Bron is going to have a ton of stats, but that's longevity, not greatness.
@@Avarice-Zero The league has had many great players over the years. There is no objective answer to the question who is the greatest player ever or what that would even mean? Any attempt to rank great players pretty much always ends up riddled with confirmation bias.
I'm a LeBron forever dude... but after watching the last dance and going through dozens of old film and UA-cam vids on MJ. I will concede. MJ is the GOAT. Dangggg LeBron not even close bruh.
lmao what did the documentary do to show you that?
@@scotty776 Everything my guy, it showed everything.
Kylan Scott
Tons of younger people don’t understand the energy and competition Jordan brought. He was put in such intense situations and always came through.
SURFER BY BLOOD thank you!!! I’m also a LeBron fan but Michael is the GOAT!!
Lebron wouldnt even win in Jordan's era. He'd fold against the bad boys. Look at him in today's game. He flops, whines, scared of Kawhi.
Can imagine how he'd handle the beating from Rodman, Laimbeer, and company.
Just like MJ is the Goat, Bob Costas call on NBC was the best ever. The 90s NBA was the best era in sports history.
It sure was the greatest era in NBA history, and Olajuwon owned Jordan in the early 90's
Debatable.. A lot of low scoring basketball....80s Lakers and Celtics was unreal but you had other teams like 1988 Jazz, the high powered Mavs, Rockets and Nuggets, the Pistons, Hawks and 76ers that were really fun to watch.....PLUS nothing beats that CBS basketball game intro along with Brent Musburger commentating.
Almost every level of entertainment was the greatest in the 90s...
NBC WAS PURE EXCITEMENT, NANANANANANA NANANANANANA I'M TRYING TO SING D NBC THEME SONG INTRODUCTION😂😂😂😂😂😂😃 PURE EXCITEMENT THOSE WERE THE DAYS .ABC, IS SO BORING COMPARED TO NBC STEUPSSSSSS
@@tombrown8992 entertainment to d max d block where we were hanging out come nbc game time was like a ghost TOWNE ESPECIALLY IF MJ AND D BULLS ARE ON. BASKETBALL SO BORING NOW EH HMMM🤔 DONT GET DAT URGE TO WATCH D NBA LIKE BACK THEN,SORRY BUT DATS D HONEST TRUTH FROM MY HEART , TO SEE WHO STEUPSSSSSS
People really need to see MJ's full games not just the highlights to appreciate how great he truly was. He brought it on both sides of the floor each and every night. His offense was always there but his defense was also somerhing to marvel at.
Did you watch the games yourself ? Because players back then weren’t nearly as good as they are now.
There's never been a better two way player than hakeem the dream Olajuwon
Slatt J
Oh word? When did it get good?
@@jjjjjjaylon "weren't nearly as good" is like saying the Celtics, Pistons & Jazz weren't nearly as good and arguably top five of all time.
Not every player was as skilled* is the correct statement.
You seem like one of those peeps who tries to provide sound arguments, while hiding in a helm of bias.
@@jjjjjjaylon They even had 5ft 7 guys (Spud Webb) dunking in the 80's. How many 6ft and under are dunking in today's game.
Bob Costas is a legend himself. We need more like him on TV
Also a big fan of Hubie Brown over the years as well. Brought a coach's perspective and has been covering games for decades.
Michael Jordan the definition of GOAT, there's a reason say the phrase " The Michael Jordan of"...a certain sport or field when describing the best of something.
No. MJ had a team. Ali would be a better phrase.
Athlete of the Century
1. Michael Jordan
2. Babe Ruth
3. Muhammad Ali
Google it.
Zenon Pyro Lebron is definitely above MJ as an athlete. He literally could’ve went to the NFL. He was the #1 prospect as a WR in Ohio.
MJ was below average in the minor league.
Lebron has been playing 35+ a night since he was 18 in the league and still is performing as if he was 25 at the age of 36.
Jordan played on a great team. They won 55 games without him and almost went to the championship. Jordan played defense and offense ok. But he didn’t rebound assist the ball or any of that.
Lebron is a superior athlete. Stronger. Faster. Smarter. Taller. Bigger. More talented.
Jordan is just more accomplished. Y’all gotta separate “greatest” from “best”
hakeem Olajuwon owned Jordan beating him 11-5 times from 84'-93' and Jordan could never carry a team the way Olajuwon did every single season. Olajuwon is the goat
@@jjjjjjaylon Stronger? Nope. Faster? Nope. Smarter? LMAO Taller? Yep. Bigger? Yep. More talented? GTFO
I just miss NBA on NBC, with Bob Costas reporting.
It aint never been the same since he left
So do I but most people don’t know how mesmerizing the start was.
The theme song is still the greatest of all times for basketball. I’d say FOX has the best football theme of all time. But them lazy bums watered it down by using it for others sports like MLB.
Costas' rhetoric of chronicling MJ and the Bulls was borderline perfect. NBC crafted MJ'S all time greatness status as a question and the rest was history.
Bob already retired from NBC right? Can he still cast NBA now?
The most emotional moment for me from the last dance is when MJ tells the story of him telling his dad he was going to play baseball... after basketball greatness, in the peak of his power, anyother would had told him NO dont do it... but his father without blinking told him... yes YOU CAN DO IT.... always believe in your children and let em know and encourage them.... a big part of MJs succes was he had an incredible great Father
The last shot. The minute I saw jordan steal it, I knew he was gonna go down the court and make the shot. Like I had zero doubt. That last play really summed up what michael jordan was all about. The greatest
"Is there one moment that stands out?" Without a pause, Costas casually recounts three or four in stunning detail. At 68, he is still as sharp as ever.
There's greatness and there's GOATness. It's not rocket science. MJ. It's that simple.
Olajuwon owned Jordan
@@armandodelossantos736 yeah.. owned Jordan while he was away.
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@@malachi.themessenger that's not a fact idiot
@@armandodelossantos736 Lmao yeah he "owned" Jordan by losing to the team Jordan beat in 6 games that same postseason. Foh
Love what Costas shoehorned in at the end about Isiah Thomas.
The Goat talking about the Goat. Bob & Michael....
I'm sick of hearing about Jordan, it's so boring... LeBron is way better in objective terms, he would destroy Jordan in 1-on-1 and he plays against much stronger competition than Jordan did, nobody ever gives LeBron credit for this.
@@willritter4076 sounds like a dunbass kid.
@@willritter4076 go cry kid, leflop will never be goat
All things considered, Jordan could have done 8 or 9!
Without question
Nope. Not possible
@@FuShengAlex Why not possible?
The dream wouldn’t have let that happen or Orlando
@@jayglenn82 Orlando got swept by bulls in 1996.
Bob Costas is the best of the best! 40 years with NBC! Unbelievable! I enjoy listening to him speak!
Costas = legend. He’s seen it all, and he still looks great
the legend has spoken... Bob Costas! MJ the Goat
Michael Jordan's professional athletic career as a Chicago Bulls is 10 out of 10.
This is not hard, Michael "The Goat" Jordan all day everyday.
Olajuwon owned Jordan tho and so did Bird
@@armandodelossantos736 More like Jordan owned Bird, if you want to make it one on one. The Celtics as a team owned the Bulls because the Bulls hadn't developed a team yet. When they did, no one could stop them. Olajuwon?
@@wv8071 just like the warriors owned the Cavs not LeBron 💯
@@armandodelossantos736 didnt MJ drop 60 in the garden
@@KingDarren313 that's a lie Olajuwon was dominating Jordan with less talented rosters every year
Roberto Costas is the greatest sports broadcaster of my lifetime his knowledge is unparalleled,I grew up with this guy on NBC sports.
nah, i prefer marv alberts calls
@@mdecimal The greatest voice in the history of basketball, radio and TV, is Marv Albert. He's been doing it for 50+ years, too.
Costas only called NBA games for like 2 years on NBC
That's funny.
@@kennethshouler3055 You said voice yes Marv has a great voice but Marv can't hold a candle to Costa's knowledge of basketball,baseball,football and the Olympics Costas is revolutionary in that he's so versatile but I get it you love the Yes and it counts! That's cute
Jordan is the only player they’d talk this much about a missed shot
All you need to see is Larry Bird show zero emotion (even looked mad) when Reggie hit that shot because he knew who still had a chance
Nah lbj is now
They speak on it because it was
hard to believe back then when Mike missed a shot like that cause we all know when it counts MJ the Goat showed up 99% of the time. MJ the G.O.A.T period!!
Yes, I'd forgotten about that shot. I was amazed when I saw it- double -pumped on a three to miss 2 defenders who were right in his face and almost banked it in. Missed by the slimmest of margins.
Another in the long list of ancillary elements that push Jordan over the edge for GOAT. Its not just a comparison of basketball skills. Let's be honest, LeBron James can do things physically on the basketball court that MJ couldn't do as well. LeBron is bigger and stronger and he has transcendent skills. But MJ's level of competitive drive and calling on his body to do what it needs to do in the situation- LeBron just is not able to do that as consistently.
But...Reggie Miller blatantly SHOVED MJ out of the way to get open for his three-pointer. Miller admitted it- smart move- "put the pressure on the officials to make that call" and he got away with it. BUT MJ NEVER UTTERED A SOUND OF COMPLAINT. Still hasn't to this day. He didn't even show any facial expression at the moment suggesting anything was wrong. What are the chances LeBron (or almost any modern player) says nothing if he is shoved in that situation?
I miss Bob Costas voice on the NBA on NBC broadcast! Those were the good ole days!
True greatness is indelible. Jordan The GOAT!
He is not the goat he’s 1-9 with 3 first round exits
@@cumbusta9175 lol 🤣..cry bronsexual.. Mj is the goat whether you like it or not
Bob's on point, there's no denying that MJ is simply THE goat
Most points-NO, most rebounds-No, most championships-NO, most All star games-NO, most play off wins-NO. He may be the most important NBA player ever, maybe the most exciting; but there’s absolutely nothing to show that he’s the GOAT.
MrPernell27 Yeah, that’s why practically everybody he played against and everyone who covered him thinks he’s the GOAT. Because they all know less than you. 🤷♂️
dont let this documentary distract you from the fact that hes not as good a player as LeBron.
@@MrPernell27 nothing? Not even having the highest scoring average ever? Or the most scoring titles ever? Or the most blocks all-time by a guard? Or 5 MVP'Ss? The most Finals MVP's of all-time? Third highest steals average ever? More scoring records than anyone? Highest scoring average in playoffs and finals? Nothing at all?
@@MrPernell27 yeah. Mj was great but not up there with Kareem you are right on .stats dont lie.
To the people saying MJ controlled the doc to make himself look good:
You what makes him look even better? His stats. His career. His resume. History
bob's on point with that marv albert's impression
Of course Jordan is the GOAT. That's just common sense.
1000%. As we've seen lately, common sense is not common Haha (or at least with the younger crowd).
The greatest at what?
If it was you wouldn't be saying it 😂
@@randylouissaint1636 I'm only saying it to remind you kids 😂
He is not! Bill Russell is! Period
Finally a title line that makes sense!
In 1998 I was 12, I still remember my obsession with MJ. I was SO LUCKY to be born in his era, and to watch him play. We flew from Mx to the States just to see him play. My hero. Bigger than the NBA itself. Period.
Depends on the metrics used. However, it's MJ all day. You can't dispute his GOATNESS
Not even advanced metrics favour other players. Best PER and offensive rating ever
@Jared Taylor hmmmm sure right gee
people forget Jordan was drafted by at the time one of the worse teams in the league that’s how those teams get 1st 2nd and 3rd pick , he had the worse team and people act surprised that they lost to bird ...really ...
@Jared Taylor man, so many don't recognize this. And the fact he did it for the love of the game basically just adds to who he was in my book. Did it work out perfectly? Nope, but he tried. He took the chance and didn't ring chase. He enjoyed the challenge!
@@SuperRosso1000 yes he did. Today's stars worried about their "legacy." Don't wanna be lumped in with Malone (Karl), Barkley, Ewing, Stockton, Reggie M & others. Oh no!
I am glad he talked about Isaiah Thomas, I watched every Bulls' game, and indeed, he always praised his plays and was accurate in his portrayal of what was happening on the court. I think he was a professional when calling the game during the NBC era, all bad blood aside.
Chek the facts: Jordan is the most individual decorated player in NBA history. Jordan has the highest Career point per game in regular season and playoffs, Jordan is the only player to win back-to-back to back finals MVPs, 2 times. It took lebron James 3 years to see the playoffs, Jordan got there in his rookie year. Lebron choked in 2011 finals scoring 17 points per game being guarded by Shawn Marion after going MIA. lebron James has more games scoring under 20 points in the finals (8) as MJ has his entire play offs career (6). Final lebron James single game record in finals is 18-31 (36%) which is lowest in finals history. Game over MJ 👑🐐
yes MJ is the GOAT.. but why do folks continue to compare Jordan and Lebron?? they are not the same player.... both dont even have the same skill set.... if anything Lebron is a super version of Magic Johnson..IMO.. and Jordan is by himself...
Koasizm World why did you feel the need to mention Lebron, you couldn’t make your point without doing so??!!
Kareem has better stats than mj
Ally White thanks for saying what I was thinking, I was wondering if he knew his facts. Kareem BY FAR the most decorated basketball CAREER of all time from amateur through professional......
Robert Horry has more titles than mj. Kareem beats mj in just about every stat
Bob Costas, as good as they come. Thank you sir for a career of excellence and unrivaled professionalism.
I like how Bob Costas did not even mention Lebron when comparing GOATs lmao
Cause he’s not even close to Jordan bro. I mean ray Allen and kyrie Irving saved him. If it wasn’t for them two he would only have 1 ring.
@@ericduncan7421 so true..if u rethink clearly, this lebron leaping past Kobe, kareem, etc is really debatable..many times he needed to be saved, had Allen or Kyrie not hit the dagger, he wouldn't have been on the mt rushmore
Even Kobe was better than LeBron.
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@@ericduncan7421 Pippen saved Jordan from routinely getting swept in the first round. Pippen is far greater than any player Lebron ever played with. Jordan had a far greater supporting cast than Lebron, but Lebron still made it to 3 more finals than him and will eventually have as many rings.
NBA have to return to 90s rule of basketball now that everybody knows how soft is todays NBA...
Especially with the uncalled travelling and double dribble stuff. The “Euro” step is so ugly looking and way too effective for what it takes to actually pull it off. Growing up in the 90s I clearly recall we were taught 1 and a half steps so basically your “gather” step and then one more.
It looked so much better watching players do moves in the 90s using more precision with their footwork because it was demanded by the rules at the time.
@@HT-sm9dm it only look good with Ginobili😊
I say return to 50's and 60's basketball. Two-hand hand checking, force outs and no flagrant fouls. There's a reason George Mikan retired after 10 broken bones.
@@HT-sm9dm Increased physicality favors Lebron. No help defense also favors Lebron.
@@distinctga5811 it really doesn't
There's strong players not even centers that would be able to pressure and contain him like pip did to a lot of players in the 90s
This man has been out of da game going on two decades and they still talking about him like he just retired guys playing in today’s game want even come close cause da next good athlete that comes along they are try and compare him too mj he is da greatest so i wish they would with all of comparisons too him there will never be another one like him Kobe was da closest man too him
the closest to his style but not the closest to the goat status
Da game, Da next, Da greatest, Da closest. Do you have any idea how dumb you sound?
Practice after practice, winning is the only thing that matters. The amount of im gonna be able to knock out any one who try and test this to the point of everything is muscle memory......yo that is MJ. Practice makes perfect.
@@keju6669 The closest to MJ, period. Style & everything else.
"Chicago with the lead...!!"
No excuses, no breaking his own hand, no loss in the finals, no jumping around to build superteams. Michael averaged 30+ a game while being defensive player of the year. No comparison.
Bob Costas was there for each of the Bulls championships. Marv was around except for the last one in 98, Czar was around for the 1st 3-peat, Hannah Storm was there for the 2nd 3-peat. Much respect to Bob praising Isiah Thomas' respect n' class for MJ b/c he's absolutely right about that. Every game he did with Costas, Thomas had a genuine sense of happiness, always *always* smiled
A lot of us watching this documentary saw it live on NBC or CBS growing up. That's why I appreciate it even more so now and personally re-affirms why I hate the comparison of the LeBron's, KD's, Steph's, Klay's, etc. of this era to who MJ was at his prime. Kobe is the only guard from the late 90s - thru the last 20 years that I think got close to him. If you asked anyone from the casual follower of hoops to the hardcore most of us would say Jordan was the best at that time even if he was responsible for denying our city a ring.
Arguing who is the greatest player in NBA history is such a waste of time. The argument should be who is no. 2.
Kareem is number 2.
br 1251 Kareem never gets the respect he deserves. Easy number two
Amen.
Kareem or Kobe
Jabbar and Magic both won multiple MVP's and Multiple titles. Then Kobe, Wilt, Bird, Lebron and Shaq.
There is just a much difference reverence for Michael Jordan that doesn't quite exist with LeBron James. And what I notice is that it is even a different reverence among their peers in the game between Michael and LeBron. It seems as we are experiencing LeBron that we are of course watching greatness at hand but LeBron also feels very touchable if you get me. LeBron's peers aren't intimidated by him and many more guys are willing to try LeBron even though more times than not they will end up on the short side. With Michael there is a mythical feel like your watching Greek mythology in the flesh. Michael's peers either actively reveled while playing against Michael or at times there was a sense of fear and intimidation against Michael. With LeBron a lot of that may have to do with his personality which is no fault and also for the fact that we have seen Bron lose a number of times on the biggest stage in basketball most of the time. Michael has a pristine record and there is a lot more artistry in Michael's game. Kobe had much much more artistry in his game than LeBron also. The reverence overall is just staggeringly different between LeBron and Michael. I would even say there is more reverence for Kobe a little more at this point than Bron.
Well said, and spot on
Well said
Lebron should be compared to Magic. Lebron can't touch MJ at this point.
Exactly
Im pretty sure Kobe’s death would equal more reverence. Lol...And if LeBron didnt get “reverence” explain why he was voted the 2nd best player ever? Explain why the ratings dropped in the NBA once he left the East. Silly talk.
MJ Changed the game. endeared the game to so many local and international audience. He raised the stakes and cheques for his fellow Basketballers because of the Increased Revenue his image brought to the NBA. So many countries that were'nt big on Basketball started seeing great acceptance. He totally changed the way we see the NBA. I remember all of this as a kid growing up in the MJ era. He was larger than life and totally was the face of the NBA. There is no one in the history of the NBA that has done this much for the game all round. This was just a great documentary and nostalgic cocktail for me. Thank you ESPN.
It’s funny that he left after MJ left. His voice was very iconic.
It's good that nbc covered that shaq and kobe era too
@@PrincipIan True bob is Legend also that's why he was named one of the best commentators of all time
Because he knew nothing like that would would ever come around again! He made enough money to retire to
Bob Costas is by far my favorite B-Ball game caller ever.. in literally can trust anything he says when it comes to sports
Michael Jordan" The Best there Was, the Best there Is and the Best there ever will Be. 💪😎👊 🏀🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
Thanks Bob for the honest behind the scenes info regarding Isaiah
Costas is a goat of play calling. He knows what he's talking about.
Terrific segment. So well executed. SVP always a great interviewer and Costas always well spoken.
When did we as a people decide that Lebron was better than Kobe?
When we can say that confidently, then we talk about Jordan.
LeBron is not even my TOP 10
@@jerryteo4972 kobe is not in top 100 lol
lebron has more points overall and more points per game more assists per game more rebounds per game and better fg% and better 3 pt% and more regular season mvps and more finals mvps lol whatelse is there kobe is not top 20 alltime whereas lebron is the goat
It speaks to Isaiah Thomas's class and respect for Michael Jordan when Bob Costas said that he never heard Thomas slight or disrespect Jordan and praised him as the greatest player he's ever seen.
Goats don’t meltdown on the biggest stage. It’s petty simple really. Jordan 🐐
Everybody melts down, Magic did it, wilt did it, Larry did it. It’s all what makes them great cause it’s why they did to come back from it
@@cumbusta9175 lol, none of them got outscored by a freaking bench player in the finals unlike lechoke 🤣..try again kid
@@toxicjutz1168 and lebron never got swept in first round like mjloser try again
@@gowthamvarmadantuluri6385 6-0>>>>4-6...stop being stupid kiddo
@@gowthamvarmadantuluri6385 lebum
So far MJ is the best to ever do it.
Every basketball fan, player, commentator...."Micheal Jordan is the greatest of all time, period."
ESPN - Is Michael Jordan the greatest of all time?
Great to see Bob he really made the NBA a mystical story come to life.
Facts MJ is the goat and no one could stop him
Wilt Chamberlain
stephen clay 🙄 🤦🏽♂️
@@theicemachine1574 about time Wilt gets some love....oh wait, that's what Wilt was all about!
Olajuwon owned Jordan, you're just repeating what you're told
@Daniel Deborin Olajuwon owned Jordan
Bob looks freaking amazing for his age, just flawless, whatever it is, keep doing it Bob, you look great. A true national treasure in sports broadcasting.
How they get Luke Skywalker for this show?
😂😂😂😭
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"you know what? strength is one thing and lots of guys are strong, lots of guys with skills, and only one guy has this level of artistry"
Bob costas's on MJ... what a legend both of them
Of course Michael was the greatest NBA player ever; I can show you all the scars from the thorns he cut into my side all through the 90's against my NY Knicks!
Only player to win MVP, DPOY, & scoring title in the same yr? The GOAT aka MJ. It will NEVER be done again! If the conversation included defense there can't even be a debate! MJ has 10 scoring titles & 9 first all defensive team selections. MJ is the best 2 way player ever & that's why he's the GOAT!
First. Mj is the goat
Just my opinion
As long as it's not LUCY.🤔
Greatest ever
He is the goat because he had the greatest team of all time to help him to be great.
@@nassergabriel4778 he won it together with his teammates. He had a great coach, Pippen who passed him the ball, Rodman who rebound the ball, not to mention even Kukoc can score for him. We can't talk about jordan being great if we are not including his teammates. So yeah, Jordan is the greatest of all time
Think about this , Michael Jordan doing moves before Kobe, Iverson, LeBron, T-Mac, Curry, Kawhi and Melo combined., that's why every commentator if Jordan does a move "they will say" I've never seen anything like that", even the opponents bench reaction was priceless, he was so smooth, Jordan moves differently at that time, he was like a player came from the future.
*Le39ron never had or has that MJ Kobe winner gene self-made hard work!*
When did Lebron lost 9 Finals?
I agree but it is actually L3-6ron he has lost 6
Lebron literally has done more with less than kobe or mj lol, and hes made more game winners than either of them
Bron wasn't self-made...huh?
@@jacklarue785 And Lebron sh*tted his diaper when he had more against the Mavs! Jason Terry outplayed him 😂 are or we not allowed to bring that up? 🤣
Jordan was as good as advertised. Definitely. He was hype that delivered. Last minute shots, flying to the basket. Jordan made basketball popular worldwide. He was a superstar. I saw him arrive with the bulls at Madison Square Garden 1996 and he was not even that tall. 6 foot 3 or 6 foot 4 at best. How he got up so high was incredible. Goat.
6'4 and a bit on bare foot.
There is so many great players but Mike does have GOAT MONEY.
Thank you Bob C…
Bob costas the goat too
Jordan,Koby,Canelo,Phelps, Brady have such a discipline frame of mind. These guys give there life’s to their respective crafts to seek immortality. I dive into this topic on my channel and find them extremely fascinating.
*Kobe.
Literally the entire basketball world is saying this yet some random clueless millennial on youtube, must know better... haha :) They are entertaining to say the least. The comparisons should stop. There is simply no debate.
I think you mean gen z. Most Milennials say Jordan is the Goat.
Millennials are born between 81 to mid-90s... please don’t confuse my generation with the naive children... that’s Gen Z
Millennial born in Jan of 84 here. MJ is the GOAT and it isn't close.
Just hearing that voice.. Brought up some awesome memories.
It’s ridiculous that some kids had to watch The Last Dance to realize that MJ is the GOAT. It’s awesome that other kids already knew it. Big ups to them!
🤘 🏀
I’m one of those kids that had to watch The Last Dance to understand that MJ is the actual GOAT. You see it’s hard to be objective when you grow up watching Lebron, so I get why kids these days believe he is the greatest. I’m glad I watched the documentary and MJ’s greatness! 🐐
His determination and drive helped will all 6 of those championship team's to victory and that's what makes him the greatest of all time
The man DID NOT team hop to get it. He didn't publicly cry for specific players to join him. Did he do so behind the scenes? Perhaps. But he didn't publicly embarrass mgmt in the press with his demands or requests.
1. MJ
2. Kobe
3. Bill Russell
Real ballers know. Kobe is the only one close to Mike's mindset. That's what greatness is. A mindset, a toughness, a relentlessness. LeBron would be 1-8 in the Finals if Ray and Kyrie missed those 3's. The only reason LeBron is in the goat conversation is because those two shots went in. LeBron didn't even have the courage to do one dunk contest, much less take the biggest shots in the biggest moments. LeBron couldn't even take Steph Curry one-on-one with everything on the line in Game 1 of the 2018 Finals. Instead, he passed it to George Hill.
The amount of hate against LeBron is insane. I believe MJ is the GOAT. That’s simple. I also believe that LeBron is better than Kobe. LeBron has never shot his team out of a basketball game. Kobe doesn’t have as many memorable playoff/finals games as LeBron. I love Kobe’s “Mamba Mentality,” but it has become an issue in the past for his team. No hate towards Kobe, just the way I see it.
Omar Rios people forget the pacers finals especially the close out games were shaq had to carry his team and Kobe shot like 12-47 in both close out games
Kellz Jordan shot 36% against the SuperSonics, and had it not been for Scottie Pippen’s Heroics he would’ve shot them out the game. Be real, Kobe and Jordan BOTH have flaws. They’re Human and have off times. Remind you Kobe was under 25 when that happened.
I can back it up with numbers, made my own list based not on my opinion, but 7 categories scored on a point system I made up and scoring them based on anything they accomplished that can be applied to each category, rarer accomplishments awarded more than common ones on a descending scale, every criteria you can come up with taken into account, the categories are Winning(Titles, Playoff App., and Playoff success), Stats(Advanced & Analytics too), Playoffs(Winning reimposed and scored with Playoff stats, Advanced Stats, and Analytics and All time rankings in stats), Dominance(shortest list, who was the best at their best for the longest, years considered best player in NBA and accomplishments over that period), Individual Accomplishment (Awards, Stat Leads, etc.), Defensive (DPOY, All NBA Defense selections, etc.) and Shooting(FG, 2P, 3P, FT%, FGM, 2PM, 3PM, FTM, True shooting %, Effective FG%, and all time ranking in those stats, kinda makes a mess of the whole thing as it is mostly role players in the top 25, somehow comes out where shooting is the least important thing when you're looking at the greatest basketball player ever lol) add all there scores from each appearance together to get composite score, set a base line for whoever played the fewest seasons(Larry Bird) subtract points for those who played longer based on how much longer, bonus points for any accomplishments where they were the only one to ever do it, and... it's Jordan, shocking I know lol, you still can't make a case for Lebron over Jordan, and he is 3 years deeper than Jordan if you include tge 2 seasons as the withered Wizard where Jordan was still a top 10 player in the league in his 40s, Jordan is #1 in 3 of 7 categories, he is #2 on 2 more, top 10 in everything but shooting and above Lebron on all 6 that they are both on, and would probably rate higher in shooting as well, so with all my work and research put in, to see that no Lebron is not on Jordan's level, why would I listen to some emotional fan boy who hasn't done any of that research, who just wants to be right and therefore can't admit they're wrong tell me otherwise 🙄 Jordan is the GOAT, Lebron is not 2nd, Kareem is, Lebron is not 3rd, Bill Russell is, Lebron's title last year put him on the Mount Rushmore, he's 4th now, with a bigger gap between him and Bill Russell at 3rd than there is between Russell and Jordan on the top of the list, that's not my opinion, that's what the numbers say, hate it all you want, is what it is
Didn't Isiah say that Kareem is the goat?
Isiah Thomas is just a Jordan hater
Yes he did. Oh wait, did you say Isiah? As in Detroit Piston Isiah Thomas? Yes he did say that, he’s very unbiased from what I can tell....
Yep...right after he had a mega blast of crack cocaine. He was a hater.
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in 1998 he said Jordan is the GOAT but because Jordan doesn't want speak to him until now so he hate him and choose other
Jordan is the 🐐, hands down!!
Bob cut a deal with the devil. The man just doesn't age.
I would say that you can make a case for Kareem, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Kobe, LBJ, Wilt, Russell but in my eyes, MJ gave me the most beautiful basketball I've ever seen.
"None of them contest the judgment, it's not a consensus anymore it's virtually by acclamation that he is the greatest player to have played. Well said, Mr. Costas.
Im, actually, glad Bob pointed that out about Zeke at the end. He stayed a true professional. I wonder how many people caught on to that during this series
I hope the kids are watching Bob Costas watch lot of players live in person and is a respected man.
Wilt is the GOAT!!! The most unstoppable player on both sides.
Wilt is the GOAT nbs its not his fault boston had like 7 hall of famers on that team 😆
Most awards in NBA history - MJ
Highest scoring average in NBA history - MJ
Highest scoring avg/playoffs - MJ
Most all-defensive first teams - MJ
Highest PER in NBA history - MJ
Highest win shares/48 - MJ
Highest win shares/48 playoffs - MJ
Most 60+ teams eliminated - MJ
Most 200stl/100blk seasons - MJ
Highest scoring avg/DPOTY - MJ
Most finals MVP in NBA history - MJ
Most playoff records in NBA history - MJ
Most back to back 50pt/Playoffs - MJ
Highest game score in NBA history - MJ
Best game-winner FG% in NBA history- MJ
I have only two things to do. "Diddly and Squat". 😂😂😂😂😂
The players have been saying that MJ is the GOAT for the past 20 plus years until now. Lebron is great but his accession into the Goat conversation was manufactured by the sports media debate shows for ratings.
Facts
LeBron is definitely in the goat conversation
@Scavage Predator the players that were polled look it up. There hasn't been a poll done in the last 20 years including the one after Lebron won his 4th in the Bubble that MJ has not been voted the GOAT.
Michael Jordan was something else.
It's kind of gotten ridiculous. It's now at the point where everyone says Jordan is the GOAT...because everyone else is saying Jordan is the GOAT.
Well I grew up watching Jordan & he's the 🐐 , no doubt
Bob clearly describes how it was to broadcast and see first hand the mystique that was MJ and the Bulls. Bravo!! I especially like how he clearly stated that Isiah’s professionalism was never compromised by the off the court relationship with Mike. In sports more so then any other facet of life personal contempt can be curbed to show respect for the skill of one’s craft, i.e. Mike saying that Isiah was the second greatest point guard behind Magic. As they say, ‘Game recognize game’.
Michael Jordan Is The GOAT undebatable
I would not be surprised if Jordan is still known as the GOAT 500 years from now. He was just that good.
You can't be the GOAT when you didn't go to college unlike MJ and still has less championship rings, MVPs, DPOTY and you got more finals losses than him. MJ is the gold standard.
What does not going to college have to do with being a goat? Kobe skipped college, Dwight skipped college🤔
Glad the Last Dance put things right for those who didn't know. Now we need the Kobe doc ESPN. Credentials and rings speak for itself.
There IS contesting MJ’s status as the GOAT! Other players can lay claim to that title:
Kareem - 6 titles with two teams...really needs no explanation;
Magic - single greatest leader ever, and could have raged 35-40 ppg if he had wanted to;
Wilt - arguably the most dominant player ever, and freakishly athletic...would have dominated in any era;
Kobe - MJ’s equal are both ends, won 3 titles with Shaq and 2 titles without Shaq or a sidekick...did it while LeBron, D-Wade, A.I., KG, TD, Shaq, Dirk, and J-Kidd were still in the league playing elite basketball.
TD - 5 titles while Kobe, TD, Shaq, KG, LeBron, J-Kidd, Dirk, A.I., and D-Wade were in the league...most fundamentally sound player ever
Bird - Dominated the 1980’s with Magic...revolutionary because he dominated without athletic abilities
Oscar - ridiculously skilled player who would have dominated in any era;
Shaq - Also arguably the most dominant player ever...won 3 titles with Kobe and a title without Kobe;
Russell - easily the greatest winner ever...great leader and teammate...10 rings with Wilt, Nate Thurmond and others in the league!
Jordan’s drawback was that the refereeing was rigged in his favor, and he played with Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, and Tony Kukoch (one of Europe’s greatest players ever).
Jordan never won a title without Pippen, and he had a losing record against both Isiah and Bird. Time and David Stern’s directives beat them, not Jordan.
I put Jordan well ahead of LeBron (who isn’t even top-10 to me), but this GOAT bullsh*t needs to stop.
THERE IS NO GOAT IN ANY SPORT!
You know your stuff! thank you for being sane during MJ nonsense. There is no GOAT.
LeBron isnt top 10? Lmfao u shouldn't even be allowed to talk about basketball
MJ didn't call himself either
IT IS THE HOW OF THE WHAT, NOT JUST THE WHAT
It felt weird having Bob call that ECF and NBA Finals in 98' at the time, but he nailed the call during the last Jordan sequence.
Jordan was the greatest player and had the greatest career. Undisputed GOAT, no debate
Jordan is Undisputed Goat. Even my Mexican Grandma Knows
I dont get the LeBrons, they make no sense
Regular season MVP : 5 vs 4
Finals MVP : 6 vs 3
Scoring Champions : 10 vs 1
Defensive player of the year and 1st team all Defense : 1 vs 0 & 9 vs 5
national college player of the year : 1 vs 0
Against 60-win teams in the playoffs: GOAT (7-2) | LeBron (3-4)
Against 70-win teams in the playoffs: GOAT is a 70-win team | LeBron (1-0)
Bob Costas is a Legend. Great impression on Marv Albert ngl
Wilt Chamberlain was the most dominant to ever play the game.
Definitely!
Mr. Jordan (Micheal), NBA GOAT! Thank you 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏