Ryan Poles came off as nervous, timid, and lacking confidence. How in the world will that man convince a top candidate to come to Chicago? No chance. Kevin Warren sounded far more sure of himself.
Completely agree. His answer was pretty jarring as to how they will find a head coach that isn't like Eberflus: "we'll make sure to research more, and look at the data". He looked startled by the question. How do you not anticipate and prepare for that ahead of time? Concerning.
Good grief, as long as Poles is heading up the process I'm good. We should only be nervous if George was hiring, because he would get it wrong. He shouldn't be anywhere near operations or the facility
You know why the press conference is a disaster? Because it confirmed business as usual. No changes. keeping the same shitty GM. same shitty organizational structure. it doesn't even matter what coach you get when the GM makes awful decisions.
1 year is definitely a lifetime for a bears fan: 3 OCs, a blown hail mary, 4-2 and hopeful to an 11 game losing streak, 3 division losses in a row we should have won. I think we all aged 5 years in one season.
One thing to remember, Thomas Brown was a good play caller as OC but once he put that HC hat on he didn’t win games and the play calling wasn’t good because he had too much to think about. So, just because Ben Johnson calls great plays as OC, doesn’t mean that will translate to when he has more in his head to think about as HC. He might pull a Nathaniel Hackett and self destruct like when he was HC of the Broncos and waste timeouts, not get plays in on time, false starts, etc.
This is why I'm glad he had an extra year as OC. Playcalling is quicker and easier for him now. Takes up less bandwidth. There's always a chance he sucks though. It is just much more likely he is capable of handling it than a Hackett or a Nagy than those guys given his level of experience and prowess.
Let’s get real: the bears are way less desirable today than they were before these press conferences. They exposed again, their internal shit show mumble word salad, and lack of organizational clarity on the football side. Hey, why don’t they make these new coaches interview with some of the beer vendors? The hotdog booth sales guy should have a voice, right? Heaven forbid we let the football people be the football people experts I think Kevin Warren could possibly be a word salad cancer for the bears org - I truly hope I’m wrong
I think Dan Bernstein has flat out stated on more than one occasion that he thinks Warren is a con man. Not sure if that's a good characterization or not but I know Warren lost me when he started a press conference with a priest saying a prayer for a new stadium.
Poles came off like a defeated man. None of those three press conferences would make any top HC or OC want to come here. Vrabel and Johnson probably see how dysfunctional this organization is. Get ready for another Trace Armstrong bargain bin special
You guys are the best, and the Bears deserve all the snark they can get, but the nitpicking of the panel is very odd to me. Instead of saying if they didn't want people making a big deal of it they shouldn't have mentioned it, perhaps someone on the beat could have asked a follow up to get more information on the level of involvement of those on the panel. Instead, we speculate wildly about operations people hijacking a call with Mike Vrabel.
40 years a Bears fan in the London UK. There is almost nothing more important to me than the Bears. No other fan is more invested. If the Bears hire Mike McCarthy then I’m done. You might think so what, nobody cares. Well if I can turn my back on the Bears then so can anyone.
I’ll say something that for some strange reason may be controversial for many people. I don’t think our owners are as bad as everyone says!! They certainly don’t always hire the best people, but I think they finally have in Poles and Warren. These guys do know football more than most of us fans……
They're nice people no doubt, but incompetent and can't stop meddling. Requiring churchgoers who don't sweat > good coaches being the biggest. Terribly awful at business and football.
The boys are right. Hilarious that they’re having an interview panel again like they’re the same as any corporation. When all the random VPs who were on the panel to hire Flus and Poles don’t even work for the Bears anymore 😂
In the end, this coaching search should NOT be as exhaustive. You narrow it down to three or four top candidates for HC, and interview just them. With most decision making, you take on too many possibilities and you start getting confused. Instead give someone 3-4 choices of HC and that’s it. Otherwise, you open Pandora’s box or Can Of Worms amongst decision makers. Hoge, great idea on Matt Nagy interview to know skeletons in Halas Hall.
I always thought these business folks being in the interview means they are available to answer those questions questions Ryan Poles will not be able to answer. If a stadium question is asked by a candidate, it can be answered in detail. This comes off more as the business folks not really asking many questions but available to answer a candidates question more accurately vs a "let me follow up with you on that".
If the bears score a ton and caleb looks great and lose 41-40 every week, the fanbase would consider it a win (for now). To their point, just fing do it
The Bear's are who we thought they were. Now....... if you want to crown them then crown them. But ... we let them off the hook!
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In the last 12 years the Bears are 44 games under 500. Haven't won a playoff game in 15 years. 1985 was 40 years ago, what have they done in the last 4 decades ?????
Worth pointing out, Waldron last season WAS the "obvious hire" for OC. That was the guy most of the people where banging the table for, and he was terrible. The point is, it's a mistake to just assume vrabel or Johnson are going to be good hires. I don't mind them casting a much wider net. I'm just concerned that my faith in the organization to pick the right guy (whoever that may be) is basically non existant. Especially when I cannot fathom why Poles wasn't fired on Monday.
@josephpayton7522 A clock is right twice a day. Doesn't take much to do the obvious thing. Hopefully the HC hire can be that second time the clock is right by doing the obvious thing.
@@RiChicago that's kind of my point. They accidentally were looking for a QB when Caleb was available. Now they're accidentally looking for a coach when Johnson is available. I hope it works out. With the huge interview group, I hope everyone ends up going with the safe choice of Johnson.
@josephpayton7522 I agree. I hope the wide net is more just doing research for staffing Johnson up and being as informed as possible on these guys to avoid another Waldron/Eberflus hire, but I'll believe it when I see it. Nothing about this has me feeling warm and fuzzy that they'll get it right other than that they might just do stuff dumb enough to end up with the right answer despite showing their work and it's a scribbled incoherent mess lol.
All this talk about interview participants. Quite possible the business folks are rotating, and not everyone is in every interview. They’re scheduling something like 15+.
Pete Carroll is a great coach, but I just can't get past his age. *If* I were to hire him, one of my questions would be: "who is your heir apparent?". I need a backup plan. What happens if Pete suddenly declines or has a health issue? If there isn't a guy being groomed to step in on his staff, I'd feel like we're taking a huge risk.
In regards to the 36 people that are going to be in each one of these interviews.... This team is and will forever be an absolute nightmare. And all these people are going to be taken away from their normal jobs to sit in these interviews?? That doesn't affect day-to-day business??? What an absolute shit show!
Having all these business people involved in the hiring process is a big mistake. Candidates don’t need to know these people unless the coach is hired. Have the actual football people do the interviews aka Poles & Cunningham
I wasn't worried until Poles started talking. He sounded lost. Warren seems over his head. I've never been a sell the team guy until I heard George. What a mess that was. They're all clueless.
If I were GM, I fired Getsy after 1 year. Fired Flus after the 4th game last year. Hired Jim Harbaugh the day after his National championship. We are now the 5th seed in the playoffs , and the Bears media is critical still……
McCaskets hate Harbaugh because he's rough around the edges. Not their vanilla halo type. Warren also butted w him heads over collegiate covid season. Zero chance.
This hiring methodology is happening all over corporate America, interviewing hundreds of candidates, none of them being perfect enough, the illusion of choice making it difficult to choose one above the others.
Football people should make football decisions and only the very top two maybe three finalist should have additional interview interviews with Business people in the front office…. This is corporate type interview style. The head football coach does not need to get along with anybody running the stadium. It would be great, but it’s not necessary.
Ok here, what makes Mike and Ben the better choices . They’ve never coached the Bears in Chicago lol just saying. There is about 15 if not more interviewing for the job. Liking someone is not a reason. ? I do like the whole Caleb and his ability to recall different things. BearDown “let’s go”
Mike is the only guy I trust. Idk if Johnson can command a locker room. Create a staff. Manage a clock. All things I know Mike can do. But outside of Mike. Ben is the next choice cause the upside is there. After that. Idk who u think is a good choice. I could argue Flores but his OC history is scary. U. Could argue Pete Carol I suppose. The rest of this list is basically as inexperienced and Unproven as Johnson. But without any of the ability to call plays Johnson has. Aaron Glen or Anthony Weaver. We know nothing about them either. And these 2 are the high points too. Mike Kafka who doesn't even call plays? There is a major drop off from the top 2. Another major drop off After the top 4 IMO. And I'm not sure the bears even get any of the top 4.
@@kylebenhart3929 thats where I’m at Mike has already proven that he can be a good head coach. All we know about Ben is that he can call some good plays for Detroit who have a vastly superior offensive line and better weapons too. Ben may still be #2 option tho
Hire Ben, his offense requires blocking and POWER running, 2 things we DON'T have. Swift is NO 3 down back and RoJo isn't a great downhill guy. The O line speaks for itself.
Yes, stop overthinking this... just hire The Guy! It's obvious. If Vrabel leaves there without being the coach this "panel" or whatever they're calling themselves, may as well fire themselves. It's not the rocket science they are making it.
Let Poles hire the head coach. Let the head coach pick his staff. Everyone else stay out of the way. No on Vrabel he was not good at Tennessee and got fired. I like Pete Carroll he motivates his players. His teams play tough defense and a hard nose offense. He really wants to coach the Bears too. He already has his staff ready to go. Ben Johnson what I have seen he is a great offensive coordinator and not much else.
No good in Tennessee? Lol 54 and 45. 4 of 6 winning seasons. All this while having who at QB? Marcus Morriota Ryan Tannahill Joshua Dobbs. Malik Willis and will Levis Btw how did that team do after he was let go? Oh yeah. They are picking #1 this year.
Dan Wiederer killed the press conference with the best questions 💯
Wiederer gives zero fucks these days, and its great. You can feel how tired he is of the Bears bullshit.
Agreed
Ryan Poles came off as nervous, timid, and lacking confidence. How in the world will that man convince a top candidate to come to Chicago? No chance. Kevin Warren sounded far more sure of himself.
Completely agree. His answer was pretty jarring as to how they will find a head coach that isn't like Eberflus: "we'll make sure to research more, and look at the data". He looked startled by the question. How do you not anticipate and prepare for that ahead of time? Concerning.
They’re getting Johnson relax
@@FirstNameLastName_1 same thing happened during the Eberflus firing press conference. He's horrible
Because this last season was the first time he's realized he's in over his head.
Good grief, as long as Poles is heading up the process I'm good. We should only be nervous if George was hiring, because he would get it wrong. He shouldn't be anywhere near operations or the facility
B Man is the highlight of the season. Especially after Eberflus got fired after the Thanksgiving game. 😂 thanks for the voicemails B Man.
Bears should offer Vrabel a Lifetime Contract for one year.
Good one! Lol
Can we get a question about Armstrong being the agent for Poles, Flus and Waldron? And if there will be an emphasis on an Armstrong client.
The first B-man cuss is gonna go so hard. I thought we were gonna get a “fuck the packers” from him 😂
I was dubious. Now I’m hopeless.
Best bears pod cast in the last 12 years.
56:22
This is why we love Fishman episodes.
😂😂😂😂😂
You know why the press conference is a disaster? Because it confirmed business as usual. No changes. keeping the same shitty GM. same shitty organizational structure. it doesn't even matter what coach you get when the GM makes awful decisions.
Coach candidates won’t give a shit about the stadium plan especially before they are hired.
Will the next coach run in with the team at the new stadium or have to buy a ticket?
These guys dissasociate every time the voicemail intro happens 🤣
The Adam’s need to get the Fishman some merch to wear!
This is pure gold😂😂😂
1 year is definitely a lifetime for a bears fan: 3 OCs, a blown hail mary, 4-2 and hopeful to an 11 game losing streak, 3 division losses in a row we should have won. I think we all aged 5 years in one season.
The Fishman show!
One thing to remember, Thomas Brown was a good play caller as OC but once he put that HC hat on he didn’t win games and the play calling wasn’t good because he had too much to think about. So, just because Ben Johnson calls great plays as OC, doesn’t mean that will translate to when he has more in his head to think about as HC. He might pull a Nathaniel Hackett and self destruct like when he was HC of the Broncos and waste timeouts, not get plays in on time, false starts, etc.
This is why I'm glad he had an extra year as OC. Playcalling is quicker and easier for him now. Takes up less bandwidth.
There's always a chance he sucks though. It is just much more likely he is capable of handling it than a Hackett or a Nagy than those guys given his level of experience and prowess.
Let’s get real: the bears are way less desirable today than they were before these press conferences. They exposed again, their internal shit show mumble word salad, and lack of organizational clarity on the football side. Hey, why don’t they make these new coaches interview with some of the beer vendors? The hotdog booth sales guy should have a voice, right?
Heaven forbid we let the football people be the football people experts
I think Kevin Warren could possibly be a word salad cancer for the bears org - I truly hope I’m wrong
I think Dan Bernstein has flat out stated on more than one occasion that he thinks Warren is a con man.
Not sure if that's a good characterization or not but I know Warren lost me when he started a press conference with a priest saying a prayer for a new stadium.
I don't understand why they aren't even interviewing Kliff Kingsbury.
Poles came off like a defeated man.
None of those three press conferences would make any top HC or OC want to come here. Vrabel and Johnson probably see how dysfunctional this organization is. Get ready for another Trace Armstrong bargain bin special
Wait til the guys hear Vrabel's interview was a virtual interview!
Every first interview is virtual. Required before they are allowed to meet in person. League rules.
You guys are the best, and the Bears deserve all the snark they can get, but the nitpicking of the panel is very odd to me. Instead of saying if they didn't want people making a big deal of it they shouldn't have mentioned it, perhaps someone on the beat could have asked a follow up to get more information on the level of involvement of those on the panel. Instead, we speculate wildly about operations people hijacking a call with Mike Vrabel.
40 years a Bears fan in the London UK. There is almost nothing more important to me than the Bears. No other fan is more invested. If the Bears hire Mike McCarthy then I’m done. You might think so what, nobody cares. Well if I can turn my back on the Bears then so can anyone.
Didn’t they have a top 4 offense with trestman in 2013? They were top 2 for awhile. Fishbain you might to recheck that stat!
They were ranked very high his 1st year
Just like Eberflus had a top 3 defense til guys got hurt. Similarly, the rest of the ship sank.
I’ll say something that for some strange reason may be controversial for many people. I don’t think our owners are as bad as everyone says!! They certainly don’t always hire the best people, but I think they finally have in Poles and Warren. These guys do know football more than most of us fans……
They're nice people no doubt, but incompetent and can't stop meddling. Requiring churchgoers who don't sweat > good coaches being the biggest. Terribly awful at business and football.
The boys are right. Hilarious that they’re having an interview panel again like they’re the same as any corporation. When all the random VPs who were on the panel to hire Flus and Poles don’t even work for the Bears anymore 😂
No Tanisha Wade from HR making football hires?!?
Wish Ben Johnson and Temu Mike Vrabel incoming.
In the end, this coaching search should NOT be as exhaustive. You narrow it down to three or four top candidates for HC, and interview just them. With most decision making, you take on too many possibilities and you start getting confused. Instead give someone 3-4 choices of HC and that’s it. Otherwise, you open Pandora’s box or Can Of Worms amongst decision makers. Hoge, great idea on Matt Nagy interview to know skeletons in Halas Hall.
I always thought these business folks being in the interview means they are available to answer those questions questions Ryan Poles will not be able to answer. If a stadium question is asked by a candidate, it can be answered in detail. This comes off more as the business folks not really asking many questions but available to answer a candidates question more accurately vs a "let me follow up with you on that".
No way Carroll doesn’t try to pull a belichick and bring his oc son from uw
Is Soup Campbell involved
If the bears score a ton and caleb looks great and lose 41-40 every week, the fanbase would consider it a win (for now).
To their point, just fing do it
The Bear's are who we thought they were. Now....... if you want to crown them then crown them. But ... we let them off the hook!
In the last 12 years the Bears are 44 games under 500. Haven't won a playoff game in 15 years. 1985 was 40 years ago, what have they done in the last 4 decades ?????
Last 12?
Last 15?
Why no consistency?
Not invest in the offensive line
KF - that is exactly what I suggested the Bears do with Bill Belichik
Actual show starts at 4:20, everything before that is slow motion talking about nothing.
Wish Wiederer could replace Hoge on this podcast.
Poles asked what turmoil caleb went thru,,? How could he ask that,?
Worth pointing out, Waldron last season WAS the "obvious hire" for OC. That was the guy most of the people where banging the table for, and he was terrible.
The point is, it's a mistake to just assume vrabel or Johnson are going to be good hires. I don't mind them casting a much wider net. I'm just concerned that my faith in the organization to pick the right guy (whoever that may be) is basically non existant. Especially when I cannot fathom why Poles wasn't fired on Monday.
Can the Bears just do some things the way a proper functioning NFL franchise operates? Probably not
They picked Caleb
@josephpayton7522 A clock is right twice a day. Doesn't take much to do the obvious thing. Hopefully the HC hire can be that second time the clock is right by doing the obvious thing.
@@RiChicago that's kind of my point. They accidentally were looking for a QB when Caleb was available. Now they're accidentally looking for a coach when Johnson is available. I hope it works out.
With the huge interview group, I hope everyone ends up going with the safe choice of Johnson.
@josephpayton7522 I agree. I hope the wide net is more just doing research for staffing Johnson up and being as informed as possible on these guys to avoid another Waldron/Eberflus hire, but I'll believe it when I see it. Nothing about this has me feeling warm and fuzzy that they'll get it right other than that they might just do stuff dumb enough to end up with the right answer despite showing their work and it's a scribbled incoherent mess lol.
@RiChicago we can only hope
Life time bears 🐻 fan, whichever team hires Jon Gruden that's my team!
All this talk about interview participants. Quite possible the business folks are rotating, and not everyone is in every interview. They’re scheduling something like 15+.
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Big Ben isn’t going to interview with the Bears he’s seen that press conference why would he the Bears choose Poles over Big Ben
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Pete Carroll is a great coach, but I just can't get past his age. *If* I were to hire him, one of my questions would be: "who is your heir apparent?". I need a backup plan. What happens if Pete suddenly declines or has a health issue? If there isn't a guy being groomed to step in on his staff, I'd feel like we're taking a huge risk.
In regards to the 36 people that are going to be in each one of these interviews.... This team is and will forever be an absolute nightmare. And all these people are going to be taken away from their normal jobs to sit in these interviews?? That doesn't affect day-to-day business??? What an absolute shit show!
Hey Hoge, I’m a data scientist. When you say model, what kind of model are you talking about?
Having all these business people involved in the hiring process is a big mistake. Candidates don’t need to know these people unless the coach is hired. Have the actual football people do the interviews aka Poles & Cunningham
With the Bears, the GM never gets their own HC coach because the owners are cheap.
All of these executive vice presidents and very few football people involved. This will not go well 😭🐻👇
I wasn't worried until Poles started talking. He sounded lost. Warren seems over his head. I've never been a sell the team guy until I heard George. What a mess that was. They're all clueless.
If I were GM, I fired Getsy after 1 year. Fired Flus after the 4th game last year. Hired Jim Harbaugh the day after his National championship. We are now the 5th seed in the playoffs , and the Bears media is critical still……
McCaskets hate Harbaugh because he's rough around the edges. Not their vanilla halo type. Warren also butted w him heads over collegiate covid season. Zero chance.
This hiring methodology is happening all over corporate America, interviewing hundreds of candidates, none of them being perfect enough, the illusion of choice making it difficult to choose one above the others.
Casting a wide net is just another way of saying, you don't know what you're looking for
Football people should make football decisions and only the very top two maybe three finalist should have additional interview interviews with Business people in the front office…. This is corporate type interview style.
The head football coach does not need to get along with anybody running the stadium. It would be great, but it’s not necessary.
Bring Nagy in? I'd sooner have Trestman back to see what he's learned. At least he was a great offensive minded guy.
Why is Mike Vrabel a good option? Looking at his HC record, i don't see anything too impressive.
Ok here, what makes Mike and Ben the better choices . They’ve never coached the Bears in Chicago lol just saying. There is about 15 if not more interviewing for the job. Liking someone is not a reason. ? I do like the whole Caleb and his ability to recall different things. BearDown “let’s go”
Mike is the only guy I trust. Idk if Johnson can command a locker room. Create a staff. Manage a clock. All things I know Mike can do.
But outside of Mike. Ben is the next choice cause the upside is there.
After that. Idk who u think is a good choice. I could argue Flores but his OC history is scary. U. Could argue Pete Carol I suppose.
The rest of this list is basically as inexperienced and Unproven as Johnson. But without any of the ability to call plays Johnson has.
Aaron Glen or Anthony Weaver. We know nothing about them either. And these 2 are the high points too. Mike Kafka who doesn't even call plays?
There is a major drop off from the top 2. Another major drop off After the top 4 IMO. And I'm not sure the bears even get any of the top 4.
@@kylebenhart3929 thats where I’m at Mike has already proven that he can be a good head coach. All we know about Ben is that he can call some good plays for Detroit who have a vastly superior offensive line and better weapons too. Ben may still be #2 option tho
I like those two candidates. I wish one of them to HC then Kingsbury to asst. to HC and OC of course,what say you. BearDown
@@keithhunley1127 I would be open to kingsbury at OC if Vrabel was the coach and he approved
I honestly think Pete Carroll is the best option out of the candidates
73 years old which would make him the oldest coach in the league. No thanks
Bear🐻 down 👇
Poles will keep the Bears in LAST PLACE
Hire Ben, his offense requires blocking and POWER running, 2 things we DON'T have. Swift is NO 3 down back and RoJo isn't a great downhill guy. The O line speaks for itself.
Yes, stop overthinking this... just hire The Guy! It's obvious. If Vrabel leaves there without being the coach this "panel" or whatever they're calling themselves, may as well fire themselves. It's not the rocket science they are making it.
Agree. Curious who he'd bring in as OC & DC. Crucial hires.
no that was as bad as the other ones. perhaps you've seen this episode too many times?
bears should do the opposite of what they think they are sure they want to do.
poles came off as full of shit and side note kevin holding on to the hair with all his might lmao just shave it bro
This team is such a national embarrassment
I love caleb but he cearly played the worst out of all the other top starting rookies and that scares me to death smh
What can you even say about it at some point? It's very optimistic
The more I hear Kevin Warren talk the less I like him.
Same goes for Poles.
I'm gonna go hibernate for a few years. This poo vacuums.
I finger understand all the Ben Johnson love especially looking at his possible staff which looks like hot garbage.
Another disaster brewing
Let Poles hire the head coach. Let the head coach pick his staff. Everyone else stay out of the way. No on Vrabel he was not good at Tennessee and got fired. I like Pete Carroll he motivates his players. His teams play tough defense and a hard nose offense. He really wants to coach the Bears too. He already has his staff ready to go.
Ben Johnson what I have seen he is a great offensive coordinator and not much else.
No good in Tennessee? Lol 54 and 45. 4 of 6 winning seasons. All this while having who at QB? Marcus Morriota Ryan Tannahill Joshua Dobbs. Malik Willis and will Levis
Btw how did that team do after he was let go? Oh yeah. They are picking #1 this year.
Sell the team
“Let me rephrase it then” hahaha Jahns just WANTS to crap on the Bears, anyway possible.
They're a 40 year sh!t show and deserve every ounce of criticism they get.
and why not ? This joke of a franchise deserves nothing better.