All this talk of religious research and decision making reminds of the Jewish Rabbis who used to meet regularly in Safed in the medieval period seriously pondering about non - consequential questions of how to keep the Sabbath. For example the venerable Rabbis spent nearly 10 years deciding whether it was kosher to sew a tear in your garment during Sabbath. Finally this vexing question was solved by deciding that the housewife should pin a needle with thread in her garment before Sabbath starts so she could sew if any tear happens in her garment or sew a fallen button!!! Presumably that decision had divine approval as the present day Hasidim still continue this archaic practice. I continue to be amazed at the propensity of the human race to focus on such inane questions to the detriment of rational thinking.
A German insight was quite helpful as they were involved in a similar frenzy a few decades ago and their redemption was nothing short of extraordinary.
pity that Pakistan is trapped in a paradox created by its shortsighted leaders. The moment Pakistan frees itself and its polity from religion it will gain strength. She has to learn the hard fact that religion is something that is personal and is not to be mixed with state policies.
Lol, what's the basis of creation & existence of Pakistan? “Religion”. If you remove “Religion” from Pakistan, it will be left of unanswerable questions like "Why Pakistan will be created?", "Why Urdu is the national language of Pakistan?", "What's the identity of Pakistan?", "Why Pakistan was in war with India for 75 years?" like so many questions.
Before Islam became a centre of Pakistan,their are lot scientist,scholar,buisness who are from minority community,until they were hounded tortured by your so called Islamic scholar.
@@ahsankhans9514 Not Now?? A Huge Population Of Muslím Community Still Believes That Whole World Should Become Islàmíc & Sharíah Should Be Imposèd. Democracy, Seculàrísm, Constitutions Shouldn’t Exíst. They’re Non-Islàmíc. 90% Of South Asían Muslíms Believes They Wíll Do Ghazwa-e-Hínd And Kíll All Híndùs Oneday. Muslíms Mígratíng To Europe, USA Are Highly Focused Dèmàndíng Sharíah Laws, Shariah Courts, Madarsa, Building Mósquès And Do Cònvèrsíons. Mark My Word, Religíon & Identity Are Becomíng More Important. We Can See How Socíal Medía Is Making Us More Aware About Our Identity. Ríght Wíng Is Rísíng All Across The World. One The Reason Is - Islàm. They Dòn’t Want To Neutralíse Their Relígíous Hardlínè & Focus On Education & Development. Due To Which, People From Other Religíon Are Feeling Thrèàtènd. Example - A Parènts In Europe Sends Their Daughter To School For Education. Suddenly, They Get To Know That A Mùslím Ímmígrant Is Convíncíng Her To Cònvèrt To Islàm, Wear Híjab, Read Quràn. Earthly Lífe Is Just A Test, Afterlife Is Real. You Will Bùrn In Héll Forever. Now, Those Parents Are Scàrèd. They Want To Make Their Children Engineers & Scientists, Not Jíhadí. All The Religíons Have Moved Away From Religíon And Focused On Education. But, Islàm Is In Consistent Wàr Wíth Other. Just The Mode If Different. You Should Do Some Research On “Chíld Gròòmíng” In Europe.
Sighting the Moon The Almighty has prescribed the month of Ramadan for keeping fasts and the month of Dhu al-Hajj for offering the hajj. Since both these months belong to the lunar calendar, the issue of ascertaining the days of these months has always remained under discussion. Even before the recent advances made in the science of astronomy, people were aware that a lunar month could not exceed thirty days; however, general observation showed that a lunar month could also be of twenty nine days. When the Qur’an directed people to keep the fasts of one whole month, it was suspected that people would insist on completing thirty days while complying with this directive. Consequently, the Prophet (sws) cautioned people to begin the month of Ramadan when the moon was sighted and to end it too when it was sighted; it was not essential to complete thirty days and in case the sky was not clear, thirty days must necessarily be completed. It is this very directive of the Prophet (sws) which was given an entirely different form by various narrators: as per this changed scenario, it was thought that the Prophet (sws) had bound people to observe the moon for ascertaining the commencement of Ramadan. It is our good fortune that in one variant of this narrative, this directive of the Prophet (sws) has been reported in its original form. He is reported to have said: الشَّهْرُ تِسْعٌ وَعِشْرُونَ فإذا رَأَيْتُمْ الْهِلَالَ فَصُومُوا وإذا رَأَيْتُمُوهُ فَأَفْطِرُوا فَإِنْ غُمَّ عَلَيْكُمْ فَاقْدِرُوا له A month can also be of twenty nine days; so if you sight the moon, begin the fast and if you sight it break the fast; if the sky is not clear complete the days.[1] This narrative is reported by ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Umar (rta). A variant from Abu Hurayrah (rta) is reported precisely in the same words. It is evident from this discussion that sighting the moon for ascertaining a lunar month was never made incumbent; on the contrary, it was made incumbent to begin a month after sighting the moon so that people should not insist on completing thirty days thinking that one whole month’s fasts have been made mandatory for them. Consequently, the very words reported from the Prophet (sws) begin thus: “a month can also be of twenty nine days.” The purpose of sighting the moon is to determine a lunar month. If thirty days are completed in a month, moon-sighting is not required since in this matter we are absolutely certain that whether the moon is sighted or not, the previous month has ended and a new month will now begin. With advancement of technology, we are now in a position to determine if a lunar month can be of twenty-nine days. We are now in a position to know with full certainty when the moon is born for this earth each month. Hence, there is nothing wrong if the lunar calendar is instituted on the basis of the moon’s birth with respect to Makkah, and if all religious festivals are celebrated in accordance with it. The purport of religion is ascertaining the lunar month. If it can be ascertained by sighting the moon, it was adopted in the past, and if now it can be determined through some other way, then no objection can be raised against it. After the invention of watches, just as we no longer need to observe sunrise and sunset to ascertain prayer timings, similarly, we are not required to ascertain a lunar month through moon sighting. The issue of sighting the moon has arisen because of misreporting of the narrators. After collating all the variants on this topic, it becomes evident that the Prophet (sws) had an entirely different objective before him. Should one still insist on sighting the moon after all this? Our scholars need to deliberate on this question.
Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy was more forthright while moderating the talk, and spoke about the ridiculous idea of interest-free banking, as belonging to the 7th century. Good, the discussions were in English, considering the contentious subject.
Personally I don't understand why religion should be centralised with laws and interpretation by a small group of people. As a Hindu it's simply unfathomable. Religion is always personal and social, depending on your thinking and also the social connect around you. Centralising it with rules is like turning it into a constitution. Ultimately religion is a personal discovery not an imposition of law
Because it was intended to grab REgal political power by using rootless parasitic gang/legion-sters to create enslaving, robbing, r*ping evil empire for One Roman King, One Arabi/Turkic Khalifa, One KaamRaid Politburo Honcho Stalin/Mao/Xi and One Fiat Currency Dollar.
Because it was intended to grab REgal political power by using rootless parasitic gang/legion-sters to create enslaving, robbing, r*ping evil empire for One Roman King, One Arabi/Turkic Khalifa, One KaamRaid Politburo Honcho Stalin/Mao/Xi and One Fiat Currency Dollar.
I wholeheartedly want Pakistan to be an 100% islamic state. All Sharia law should be implemented in Pakistan. The guys whoever comes here and making discussion without maintaining islamic rules should be punished, for instance, the women who don't were hijab should be punished.
@@adnanraza6670 You might be a juicy muslim who doesn't have any knowledge about quran and hadith. Kid, please go and study islam first. Most of the muslims know nothing about islam and whoever know, you stigmatize them as mullah and terrorists
@@dass6061 brother quote me Quran where it say so or just shut up when you yourself don't know anything. No punishment is mentioned for not wearing hijab. You are not educationed enough on this matter accept the reality.
@@adnanraza6670 Kid, don't run away. Keep debating here. I will be here until I prove whatever I said. Let's start with the sura "al-Ahzab 33:36" Please explain the sura for me. I gonna explain you why hijab is not choice. It's mandatory. Don't be like juicy muslims
only Indians watching this channel videos and baki all Muslims of Pakistan watching jihad and jannat hoor and gazwa e hind /kaffir ko kaise khatam kare vidoes presented by molvis. in youtube channels
Interesting discussion however what is important to engage in such discourse cultivated through critical thinking. My interest is to make distinction between Dogma / Doctrine which is based on the premises “By the God, Not by the People. , but for the people” Vs Law which is dynamic and evolves with the social needs . The Law as oppose to Sharia is based on the premise of Legislation made by the people, for the People and of the people a cardinal principal of Democracy. Adult Franchise guarantees equal protection of Law in person and property irrespective one’s belief and religious or social disposition. Therefore, would it not make more sense to subject Dogma or Doctrine of Shria under the umbrella of Law of the State and its constitution to ensure right and equitable interest of all its citizens. Doing it other way is just like putting cart before Horse which will hinder the horse (country) to move forward and create disharmony and absolute disunity repugnant to the sovereignty of the state and its subjects.
The cardinal laws formalized from Judaic Jurisprudence of the Jewish book of Universal Laws “Ten Commandments” this body of fundamental principal is foundation of modern jurisprudence or Legal System. Also if one have Islamic Council then why would one must not have Council of Christian Law, Hindu Council, Jewish council or any number of councils to represent diverse fabric of Pakistan. Any legislation that contributes to inequity or usurp the fundamental right of any citizen is destructive, immoral and repugnant to the sustainability and prosperity of the country.
Please have this same episode in Urdu because majority of Pakistani don’t understand English and follow clergy blindly Those who understand English knows more or less these issues
If there is not a Single word used for religious state As pervaiz Sb Said.then why from started to till now every one is talking about Islamic State. We are claimed to be Islamic State and leader of ummat , Saudi Also Do for them , Turks Do same Thing and vry recently developing Islamic State Afghanistan too.. every one Claiming for himself on right direction... But actually who??
Hooodbhoy sahab, our holy Prophet (pbuhahp) did designate his successor. Please read about Ghadeer event. I could not expect this false affirmation coming from you.
Did I see Adam Mian Adnan, the UA-camr, making reaction videos on Indian SA Re Ga Ma shows, etc. in the audience. I saw his videos today only first time. Just a hunch.
Kyaa soch soch ke. Bol raha hai yaar. Sedhaa. Sedhaa. Bol. Islamic. Ideology and. Policy ruined Pakistan and it's. Population. Mindless and hopeless clerics
پاکستانی دوستوں کے لیے... تم اپنے مذہب کو اچھا کہتے ہو تم اس کے نام پر برے کام کیوں کرتے ہو۔ میں آپ کو کیا مثال دوں اندھیرے دینے والے چراغ کو کیوں جلاتے ہو۔
@@adnanraza6670 Why Do You Want To Read Her Book? Quràn Is The Only Best Book. Everything Is There In Quràn. All Science, Philosophy, Arts, Biology, Economics, History, Quantum Mechanics, Artificial Intelligence etc Is There In Quràn. Anyway, PDF Is Haraam. It Has Been Developed By Kaafírs.
@@KararaJawaab I have a friendly Convo with the author Sara. This comment was for the author not you. I have read multiple book of christian author. To me they are not kafir don't put your words in my mouth. Not everyone is alike.
Sarah’s analysis is insipid, superficial and lacks any rigor. It’s neither bold nor pathbreaking. Just a repackaged mix of establishment with wokeness and feminism. Totally missing the point. Also she hardly answers any question head on, instead just blabbers unnecessary stuff while Hoodbhoy impatiently waits for her rambling to end😂 Pervez and the other gentleman were to the point, had thoughtful insights and meaningful takes worth listening to.
Plz do these debates in Urdu so local people can understand. As i know this institution black hole is made for bringing change in Pakistan not England or any English speaking country.
So nice discussion. No religion in the world could bring justice to any individuals/ society so far but far away waiting HONESTY is the only way out to implement the principle of One Earth, One Family, One Future. Let everybody bath in a milky pond.
aree ek toh i dont understand the obsession of Indians with anybody who slightly aligns with them. The hunger for validation. To the core even Hoodbhoy sahab is the same when it comes to India. Just less radical.
@@sahasss7100 Bro, If you grow up in such environment, you would also become same. India & Hindu hatr3d has become the protein of DNA in Pakistani genes.
Slavery وَالَّذِينَ يَبْتَغُونَ الْكِتَابَ مِمَّا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ فَكَاتِبُوهُمْ إِنْ عَلِمْتُمْ فِيهِمْ خَيْرًا وَآتُوهُمْ مِنْ مَالِ اللَّهِ الَّذِي آتَاكُمْ (24 :33) And if any of your slaves ask for mukatabat, give it to them if you know any good in them and [for this] give them out of the wealth which Allah has given to you. (24:33)
The above quoted verse of Surah Nur mentions the directive of mukatabat. At the time of the revelation of the Qur’an, the institution of slavery was as essential to the economic and social needs of the society as the institution of interest is considered in present day societies. In markets, slave-men and slave-women were bought and sold, and affluent houses had slave-men and slave-women of all ages. In such circumstances, a sudden directive for their emancipation would have resulted in many evils: for livelihood, men would have been forced to resort to beggary and women to prostitution. For this very reason, the Qur’an adopted a gradual way to eradicate this evil from the society and after many gradual measures of eradication, the above quoted verse revealed a directive for their liberation. The word “mukatabat” is used in it as a term. It means that a slave make a contract with his master according to which he would be required to pay a certain sum of money in a specific time period or would carry out a specific service for his master; once he successfully fulfils either of these two options, he would stand liberated. In the above quoted verse, the Almighty has directed the Muslims to necessarily accept this contract made by a slave if he wants to make it and has the required ability to become financially independent. It is further stated that a Muslim government should spend money from the public treasury, which here is called the treasury of God, in helping such slaves. It is evident from the words of the verse that just as this right of mukatabat was granted to slave-men, it was also granted to slave-women. This, in other words, was in fact a declaration that slaves could now be masters of their destiny and could obtain liberation whenever they wanted. The above stated verse Is the last directive regarding slavery. Prior to this, various other directives were given at various stages because of which it gradually became possible for this evil to be eradicated from the society. These are summarized below: 1. In the very beginning of its revelation, the Qur’an regarded the emancipation of slaves as a great virtue, and urged people in a very effective way to do so. The tremendous appeal found in the words it adopted فَكُّ رَقَبَة (release the necks) can be well imagined by a person who has flare for the language. It is evident from the context of such expressions - wherever they are found in the Qur’an - that it has regarded this virtue to be the first as well as the greatest step in pleasing God. In a similar manner, the Prophet (sws) also urged Muslims to liberate humanity from the yoke of slavery in the following words: “Whoever liberated a Muslim slave, the Almighty in return for every limb of that slave would shield every limb of that person from Hell.” 2. People were urged that until they free their slaves they should treat them with kindness. The way their masters had total and unchecked control on them in the age of jahiliyyah was put an end to. They were told that slaves are human beings too, and no one should in any way violate the rights they possess as human beings. Abu Hurayrah (rta) narrated from the Prophet (sws): “a slave has a right to food and clothing, and he shall not be asked to carry out an errand that is beyond him.” Abu Dharr al-Ghifari (rta) narrates from the Prophet (sws): “They are your brothers. The Almighty has made them subservient to you. So whatever you eat, feed them with it, whatever you wear, clothe them with it and never ask them to do something which is beyond them and if there is such a task, then help them out with it.” Ibn ‘Umar (rta) narrates from the Prophet (sws) that he heard him say: “Whoever slapped a slave or beat him up should atone this sin by liberating him.” Abu Mas‘ud al-Ansari (rta) says: “Once when I was beating my slave I heard a voice from behind me: ‘O Abu Mas‘ud you should know that the Almighty has more power over you.’ When I turned back, I found that it was the Prophet. I immediately remarked: ‘O Messenger of God! I release him for the sake of God.’ The Prophet said: ‘Had you not done this, you would have been given the punishment of the Fire.’” Ibn ‘Umar (rta) narrates that once a person came to the Prophet (sws) and asked: “How many times should we forgive our servant.” [At this], the Prophet kept quiet. He asked again and the Prophet again kept silent. Upon being asked the third time, he answered: “Seventy times in a day.” 3. In cases of un-intentional murder, zihar, and other similar offences, liberating a slave was regarded as their atonement and sadaqah. 4. It was directed to marry off slave-men and slave-women who were capable of marriage so that they could become equivalent in status - both morally and socially - to other members of the society. 5. If a person were to marry a slave-woman of someone, great care was exercised since this could result in a clash between ownership and conjugal rights. However, such people were told that if they did not have the means to marry free-women, they could marry, with the permission of their masters, slave-women who were Muslims and were also kept chaste. In such marriages, they must pay their dowers so that this could bring them gradually equal in status to free-women. The Qur’an says: وَمَنْ لَمْ يَسْتَطِعْ مِنْكُمْ طَوْلًا أَنْ يَنكِحَ الْمُحْصَنَاتِ الْمُؤْمِنَاتِ فَمِنْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ مِنْ فَتَيَاتِكُمْ الْمُؤْمِنَاتِ وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِإِيمَانِكُمْ بَعْضُكُمْ مِنْ بَعْضٍ فَانكِحُوهُنَّ بِإِذْنِ أهْلِهِنَّ وَآتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ مُحْصَنَاتٍ غَيْرَ مُسَافِحَاتٍ وَلَا مُتَّخِذَاتِ أَخْدَانٍ …ذَلِكَ لِمَنْ خَشِيَ الْعَنَتَ مِنْكُمْ وَأَنْ تَصْبِرُوا خَيْرٌ لَكُمْ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ (25:4) And if any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, he may wed believing girls from among those whom you own: and Allah has full knowledge about your faith. You are of the same species: so wed them with the permission of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to the norms; with the condition that they should be kept chaste, neither being lustful, nor taking paramours … this permission is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that you practice self-restraint. And Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (4:25)
6. In the heads of zakah, a specific head فِى الرِّقَاب (for [freeing] necks) was instituted so that the campaign of slave emancipation could receive impetus from the public treasury. 7. Fornication was regarded as an offence as a result of which prostitution centres that were operated by people on the basis of their slave-women were shut down automatically, and if someone tried to go on secretly running this business, he was given exemplary punishment. 8. People were told that they were all slaves of Allah and so instead of using the words عَبْد (slave-man) and اَمَة (slave-woman), the words used should be فَتَى (boy/man) and فَتَاة (girl/woman) so that the psyche about them should change and a change is brought about in age old concepts. 9. A big source of the institution of slavery at the advent of the last Prophet (sws) was the prisoners of war. When such a situation arose for the Muslims, the Qur’an emphasized that they cannot be kept as slaves and must be kept as prisoners of war. After this, if they were to be released, then there were two possibilities: they could be freed either by accepting ransom or as a favour by not taking any ransom money. No other option was available to the Muslims.
aapke jo cheez na samajh aaye vo cheez bakwas hai? Han ye behtar hota ki ye aam zabaan mein hota, magar speaker urdu zaban nahi bolti/jaanti. Angrezi zamaane ki zabaan hai aur jitna ilm usko aane se haasil hai utna kisi aur zabaan mein nahi. iske taareekhi wajoohaat hain. uskoo seekhna aapki behtari hi hai, jab tak aap ki zbaan mein ilm haasil nahi hai
All this talk of religious research and decision making reminds of the Jewish Rabbis who used to meet regularly in Safed in the medieval period seriously pondering about non - consequential questions of how to keep the Sabbath. For example the venerable Rabbis spent nearly 10 years deciding whether it was kosher to sew a tear in your garment during Sabbath. Finally this vexing question was solved by deciding that the housewife should pin a needle with thread in her garment before Sabbath starts so she could sew if any tear happens in her garment or sew a fallen button!!! Presumably that decision had divine approval as the present day Hasidim still continue this archaic practice. I continue to be amazed at the propensity of the human race to focus on such inane questions to the detriment of rational thinking.
absolute brilliant content of TBH. but jst need to update the cameras.
more power to u sir
Very nice to see ma'am Sara holz at TBH. A great discussion and really a very interesting work as there is very little work available on the topic.
Creepy system, the country needs complete overhaul
Very informative session about this rotten system in Pakistan..
Atleast at the AGE OF 75 YEARS
THINKING BEHIND HAS STARTED 🙏
Thinking in a small classroom attended by only 30-40 people can change things u think?
@@youtubestudies4173 Agrreeeeeeed 👍
I can guarantee that 95% of The Black Hole viewers are Indians 🙂
No !
sorry u thought that😂
@@geraltrivia6678 comment section says otherwise, brother 🙂
Correct
Yes
@@aniruddha453 True. Agar Ghazwa-e-Hind pr video banega to 95% Pakistani viewers honge. Nafrat ki buniyad pr bana mulk Pakistan.
Parvez sahab trying to push the Overton window in his country, I hope you do it successfully without any harming yourself
Keep it up Sir.
Great initiative.
Please upload on Spotify!
A very insightful session. Thank you, TBH.
I Think Dr. Sarah Holz Should Surely Meet Dr. J. Sai Deepak to learn Governance Of Islam in Indian Subcontinent categorically.
How about Bageshwar Dham talking about the need for a Hindu Rashtra?
Debate is in english coz topic is controversial and even hodboy sir loves his head 🤣
The speaker is German. She may not be able to comfortably lecture in Urdu. And English is used as its the language of academia.
@@strawberry7799a Har wakt jhooth. tum log koi course krte ho kya jhooth bolne ki?
@@KararaJawaab for that they go to madarasa.
@@KararaJawaab just because you can’t understand English doesn’t mean it’s jhoot. Chutiye
@@shakirsyed19 Gali Dene Se Jhooth To Sach Nhi Ho Jayega.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
mullah council is only for free biryani
A German insight was quite helpful as they were involved in a similar frenzy a few decades ago and their redemption was nothing short of extraordinary.
pity that Pakistan is trapped in a paradox created by its shortsighted leaders. The moment Pakistan frees itself and its polity from religion it will gain strength. She has to learn the hard fact that religion is something that is personal and is not to be mixed with state policies.
Lol, what's the basis of creation & existence of Pakistan? “Religion”. If you remove “Religion” from Pakistan, it will be left of unanswerable questions like "Why Pakistan will be created?", "Why Urdu is the national language of Pakistan?", "What's the identity of Pakistan?", "Why Pakistan was in war with India for 75 years?" like so many questions.
Before Islam became a centre of Pakistan,their are lot scientist,scholar,buisness who are from minority community,until they were hounded tortured by your so called Islamic scholar.
What does she want to say about Genocide of Europe??
Religion was the factor of war in the past
@@ahsankhans9514 Not Now?? A Huge Population Of Muslím Community Still Believes That Whole World Should Become Islàmíc & Sharíah Should Be Imposèd.
Democracy, Seculàrísm, Constitutions Shouldn’t Exíst. They’re Non-Islàmíc.
90% Of South Asían Muslíms Believes They Wíll Do Ghazwa-e-Hínd And Kíll All Híndùs Oneday.
Muslíms Mígratíng To Europe, USA Are Highly Focused Dèmàndíng Sharíah Laws, Shariah Courts, Madarsa, Building Mósquès And Do Cònvèrsíons.
Mark My Word, Religíon & Identity Are Becomíng More Important. We Can See How Socíal Medía Is Making Us More Aware About Our Identity. Ríght Wíng Is Rísíng All Across The World.
One The Reason Is - Islàm. They Dòn’t Want To Neutralíse Their Relígíous Hardlínè & Focus On Education & Development.
Due To Which, People From Other Religíon Are Feeling Thrèàtènd.
Example - A Parènts In Europe Sends Their Daughter To School For Education. Suddenly, They Get To Know That A Mùslím Ímmígrant Is Convíncíng Her To Cònvèrt To Islàm, Wear Híjab, Read Quràn. Earthly Lífe Is Just A Test, Afterlife Is Real. You Will Bùrn In Héll Forever.
Now, Those Parents Are Scàrèd. They Want To Make Their Children Engineers & Scientists, Not Jíhadí.
All The Religíons Have Moved Away From Religíon And Focused On Education. But, Islàm Is In Consistent Wàr Wíth Other. Just The Mode If Different.
You Should Do Some Research On “Chíld Gròòmíng” In Europe.
And this is the PhD topic?
Sighting the Moon
The Almighty has prescribed the month of Ramadan for keeping fasts and the month of Dhu al-Hajj for offering the hajj. Since both these months belong to the lunar calendar, the issue of ascertaining the days of these months has always remained under discussion. Even before the recent advances made in the science of astronomy, people were aware that a lunar month could not exceed thirty days; however, general observation showed that a lunar month could also be of twenty nine days.
When the Qur’an directed people to keep the fasts of one whole month, it was suspected that people would insist on completing thirty days while complying with this directive. Consequently, the Prophet (sws) cautioned people to begin the month of Ramadan when the moon was sighted and to end it too when it was sighted; it was not essential to complete thirty days and in case the sky was not clear, thirty days must necessarily be completed. It is this very directive of the Prophet (sws) which was given an entirely different form by various narrators: as per this changed scenario, it was thought that the Prophet (sws) had bound people to observe the moon for ascertaining the commencement of Ramadan. It is our good fortune that in one variant of this narrative, this directive of the Prophet (sws) has been reported in its original form. He is reported to have said:
الشَّهْرُ تِسْعٌ وَعِشْرُونَ فإذا رَأَيْتُمْ الْهِلَالَ فَصُومُوا وإذا رَأَيْتُمُوهُ فَأَفْطِرُوا فَإِنْ غُمَّ عَلَيْكُمْ فَاقْدِرُوا له
A month can also be of twenty nine days; so if you sight the moon, begin the fast and if you sight it break the fast; if the sky is not clear complete the days.[1]
This narrative is reported by ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Umar (rta). A variant from Abu Hurayrah (rta) is reported precisely in the same words.
It is evident from this discussion that sighting the moon for ascertaining a lunar month was never made incumbent; on the contrary, it was made incumbent to begin a month after sighting the moon so that people should not insist on completing thirty days thinking that one whole month’s fasts have been made mandatory for them. Consequently, the very words reported from the Prophet (sws) begin thus: “a month can also be of twenty nine days.”
The purpose of sighting the moon is to determine a lunar month. If thirty days are completed in a month, moon-sighting is not required since in this matter we are absolutely certain that whether the moon is sighted or not, the previous month has ended and a new month will now begin. With advancement of technology, we are now in a position to determine if a lunar month can be of twenty-nine days. We are now in a position to know with full certainty when the moon is born for this earth each month. Hence, there is nothing wrong if the lunar calendar is instituted on the basis of the moon’s birth with respect to Makkah, and if all religious festivals are celebrated in accordance with it. The purport of religion is ascertaining the lunar month. If it can be ascertained by sighting the moon, it was adopted in the past, and if now it can be determined through some other way, then no objection can be raised against it. After the invention of watches, just as we no longer need to observe sunrise and sunset to ascertain prayer timings, similarly, we are not required to ascertain a lunar month through moon sighting. The issue of sighting the moon has arisen because of misreporting of the narrators. After collating all the variants on this topic, it becomes evident that the Prophet (sws) had an entirely different objective before him.
Should one still insist on sighting the moon after all this? Our scholars need to deliberate on this question.
Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy was more forthright while moderating the talk, and spoke about the ridiculous idea of interest-free banking, as belonging to the 7th century. Good, the discussions were in English, considering the contentious subject.
Personally I don't understand why religion should be centralised with laws and interpretation by a small group of people. As a Hindu it's simply unfathomable. Religion is always personal and social, depending on your thinking and also the social connect around you. Centralising it with rules is like turning it into a constitution. Ultimately religion is a personal discovery not an imposition of law
Because it was intended to grab REgal political power by using rootless parasitic gang/legion-sters to create enslaving, robbing, r*ping evil empire for One Roman King, One Arabi/Turkic Khalifa, One KaamRaid Politburo Honcho Stalin/Mao/Xi and One Fiat Currency Dollar.
Why are scholars afraid of talking about Islam ?...whereas non scholars shouting about Islam on streets and loudspeaker..
Because it was intended to grab REgal political power by using rootless parasitic gang/legion-sters to create enslaving, robbing, r*ping evil empire for One Roman King, One Arabi/Turkic Khalifa, One KaamRaid Politburo Honcho Stalin/Mao/Xi and One Fiat Currency Dollar.
Plz keep it up
The language of discussions should have been Urdu to easy reach to common people of Pakistan, I think! BTW quite knowledgeable 👍
Everyone has a blackhole which can be seen when we close our eyes as we rest in quiet.
Is there no Pakistani woman to debate?
I wholeheartedly want Pakistan to be an 100% islamic state. All Sharia law should be implemented in Pakistan. The guys whoever comes here and making discussion without maintaining islamic rules should be punished, for instance, the women who don't were hijab should be punished.
Islamic law don't punish women for not wearing hijab lol. Afghanis Iranian can laws but it's not part of law
@@adnanraza6670 You might be a juicy muslim who doesn't have any knowledge about quran and hadith. Kid, please go and study islam first. Most of the muslims know nothing about islam and whoever know, you stigmatize them as mullah and terrorists
@@dass6061 brother quote me Quran where it say so or just shut up when you yourself don't know anything. No punishment is mentioned for not wearing hijab. You are not educationed enough on this matter accept the reality.
@@adnanraza6670 Kid, don't run away. Keep debating here. I will be here until I prove whatever I said.
Let's start with the sura "al-Ahzab 33:36"
Please explain the sura for me. I gonna explain you why hijab is not choice. It's mandatory. Don't be like juicy muslims
@@dass6061 so where the punishment mentioned??
only Indians watching this channel videos and baki all Muslims of Pakistan watching jihad and jannat hoor and gazwa e hind /kaffir ko kaise khatam kare vidoes presented by molvis. in youtube channels
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Pakistan ka masla kya
La ilah illalah
Lol someone come from EUROPE and do research for 2 years and commenting on islam.
Interesting discussion however what is important to engage in such discourse cultivated through critical thinking. My interest is to make distinction between Dogma / Doctrine which is based on the premises “By the God, Not by the People. , but for the people” Vs Law which is dynamic and evolves with the social needs . The Law as oppose to Sharia is based on the premise of Legislation made by the people, for the People and of the people a cardinal principal of Democracy. Adult Franchise guarantees equal protection of Law in person and property irrespective one’s belief and religious or social disposition. Therefore, would it not make more sense to subject Dogma or Doctrine of Shria under the umbrella of Law of the State and its constitution to ensure right and equitable interest of all its citizens. Doing it other way is just like putting cart before Horse which will hinder the horse (country) to move forward and create disharmony and absolute disunity repugnant to the sovereignty of the state and its subjects.
Its really awkful discussion.When you're talking about islam.Please bring religious scholars as well
Nice try, but she doesn't know much about how much religion has corrupted Pakistani nation and the long term consequences. Thank you 👍
She should talk on Genocide of Europe then talk on islam
The cardinal laws formalized from Judaic Jurisprudence of the Jewish book of Universal Laws “Ten Commandments” this body of fundamental principal is foundation of modern jurisprudence or Legal System. Also if one have Islamic Council then why would one must not have Council of Christian Law, Hindu Council, Jewish council or any number of councils to represent diverse fabric of Pakistan. Any legislation that contributes to inequity or usurp the fundamental right of any citizen is destructive, immoral and repugnant to the sustainability and prosperity of the country.
Please have this same episode in Urdu because majority of Pakistani don’t understand English and follow clergy blindly
Those who understand English knows more or less these issues
Bro it is good that they upload in English because when they upload in urdo and if it got viral thay can face problem.
Lol No Pakistani who understand only Urdu would like such kind of discussion. They prefer Ghazwa-e-Hind & Sir Tan se Juda video only.
@@KararaJawaab agree
@@KararaJawaab
It’s no information to 90% Pakistanis
Better not to do if not in Urdu
@@bigguy1272 90% Pakístan íEven Don’t Like Such Discussions. Either English Or Urdu, They Only Like Fàkè Falsè Stories Of Musàlmàn Supèrmàcy.
Why not ladies
Pakistan needs to eliminate Interest based Banking.
If there is not a Single word used for religious state As pervaiz Sb Said.then why from started to till now every one is talking about Islamic State. We are claimed to be Islamic State and leader of ummat , Saudi Also Do for them , Turks Do same Thing and vry recently developing Islamic State Afghanistan too.. every one Claiming for himself on right direction... But actually who??
Ulima system is not a COUNTRY
Your research is froud
Please spend some years in Afghanistan madam and then give this type of statements
Di you want to stay in Afghanistan?
You have to thought about your identity
Hooodbhoy sahab, our holy Prophet (pbuhahp) did designate his successor. Please read about Ghadeer event. I could not expect this false affirmation coming from you.
Did I see Adam Mian Adnan, the UA-camr, making reaction videos on Indian SA Re Ga Ma shows, etc. in the audience.
I saw his videos today only first time.
Just a hunch.
What is democracy?
Majaak
what he smoking 😂😂😂😂
Kyaa soch soch ke. Bol raha hai yaar. Sedhaa. Sedhaa. Bol. Islamic. Ideology and. Policy ruined Pakistan and it's. Population. Mindless and hopeless clerics
Scripted Audience
You don't have any knowledge madam
Half Cooked Knowledge Wali Madam
پاکستانی دوستوں کے لیے...
تم اپنے مذہب کو اچھا کہتے ہو
تم اس کے نام پر برے کام کیوں کرتے ہو۔
میں آپ کو کیا مثال دوں
اندھیرے دینے والے چراغ کو کیوں جلاتے ہو۔
A lot of bull
Ma'am Sarah if you reading my comment 😃 please reply my email and send me ebook of your book as well. Thanks
Achha Free me baatne ki liye book likha hai itni mehnat se?
@@KararaJawaab inho ne kaha when I met her samjh aye
@@KararaJawaab it's not available in Lahore so she said If I email her she will send me pdf. So mind your business
@@adnanraza6670 Why Do You Want To Read Her Book? Quràn Is The Only Best Book. Everything Is There In Quràn.
All Science, Philosophy, Arts, Biology, Economics, History, Quantum Mechanics, Artificial Intelligence etc Is There In Quràn.
Anyway, PDF Is Haraam. It Has Been Developed By Kaafírs.
@@KararaJawaab I have a friendly Convo with the author Sara. This comment was for the author not you. I have read multiple book of christian author. To me they are not kafir don't put your words in my mouth. Not everyone is alike.
If land reforms are unIslamic, then does it has roots in slavery tradition existed, as for Feudal Lords the tenant farmers are like slaves ?
Yes
Sarah’s analysis is insipid, superficial and lacks any rigor. It’s neither bold nor pathbreaking. Just a repackaged mix of establishment with wokeness and feminism. Totally missing the point. Also she hardly answers any question head on, instead just blabbers unnecessary stuff while Hoodbhoy impatiently waits for her rambling to end😂
Pervez and the other gentleman were to the point, had thoughtful insights and meaningful takes worth listening to.
Plz do these debates in Urdu so local people can understand. As i know this institution black hole is made for bringing change in Pakistan not England or any English speaking country.
There were many versions of Koran in 10, 11 or 12th centuries.
Madam Solz dar dar ke bol rahi hai 🙏
Democracy is also a belief system
SUPREME COURT IS FINAL 🙏
So nice discussion. No religion in the world could bring justice to any individuals/ society so far but far away waiting HONESTY is the only way out to implement the principle of One Earth, One Family, One Future. Let everybody bath in a milky pond.
TIME HAS COME pakistan banega PAKISTAN YA AFGANISTAN 🙏
I want a secular Pakistan tbh
@@nowie4007 👍👍👍
Absurd
League of Muslim ended in 1947 Rather ISLAM LEAGUE STARTED 🙏
Parvej ji aapko Pakistan ke pm banjao
aree ek toh i dont understand the obsession of Indians with anybody who slightly aligns with them. The hunger for validation. To the core even Hoodbhoy sahab is the same when it comes to India. Just less radical.
@@sahasss7100 Bro, If you grow up in such environment, you would also become same. India & Hindu hatr3d has become the protein of DNA in Pakistani genes.
then he will declare a war on kafirs.
Very interesting talk by the Madame. She has full command on the subject.
Basic instinct of Islam is no other faith is allowed to be called as faith so it is. Legalised to be. Punished by momins
What will sara want to say about islamophobia in EUROPE??
Its a one sided discussion.If you want crucial debate then bring scholars as well.
😂😂 ENGLISH LECTURE FOR ENGLISH ELITE PEOPLE AND ENGLISH LISTENER 🤣🤣
Has she written about genocide of Europe ??
My great teacher mam sara holz, it is a pleasure to have a teacher like you in my life.
Your teacher is having half knowledge📚📚📚 about islam...
@@dineshshetty875 She is not a born Muslim
@@dineshshetty875 definitely, she needs to know all the bongis properly
@@youtubestudies4173 youtube.com/@GhamidiCIL
Yeah, she was also my great teacher. She is a great researcher. I have learned research methods from her. Amazing person.
She should research on niazism first
This is the worst discussion I have seen so far
Slavery
وَالَّذِينَ يَبْتَغُونَ الْكِتَابَ مِمَّا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ فَكَاتِبُوهُمْ إِنْ عَلِمْتُمْ فِيهِمْ خَيْرًا وَآتُوهُمْ مِنْ مَالِ اللَّهِ الَّذِي آتَاكُمْ (24 :33)
And if any of your slaves ask for mukatabat, give it to them if you know any good in them and [for this] give them out of the wealth which Allah has given to you. (24:33)
The above quoted verse of Surah Nur mentions the directive of mukatabat. At the time of the revelation of the Qur’an, the institution of slavery was as essential to the economic and social needs of the society as the institution of interest is considered in present day societies. In markets, slave-men and slave-women were bought and sold, and affluent houses had slave-men and slave-women of all ages. In such circumstances, a sudden directive for their emancipation would have resulted in many evils: for livelihood, men would have been forced to resort to beggary and women to prostitution. For this very reason, the Qur’an adopted a gradual way to eradicate this evil from the society and after many gradual measures of eradication, the above quoted verse revealed a directive for their liberation. The word “mukatabat” is used in it as a term. It means that a slave make a contract with his master according to which he would be required to pay a certain sum of money in a specific time period or would carry out a specific service for his master; once he successfully fulfils either of these two options, he would stand liberated. In the above quoted verse, the Almighty has directed the Muslims to necessarily accept this contract made by a slave if he wants to make it and has the required ability to become financially independent. It is further stated that a Muslim government should spend money from the public treasury, which here is called the treasury of God, in helping such slaves. It is evident from the words of the verse that just as this right of mukatabat was granted to slave-men, it was also granted to slave-women. This, in other words, was in fact a declaration that slaves could now be masters of their destiny and could obtain liberation whenever they wanted.
The above stated verse Is the last directive regarding slavery. Prior to this, various other directives were given at various stages because of which it gradually became possible for this evil to be eradicated from the society. These are summarized below:
1. In the very beginning of its revelation, the Qur’an regarded the emancipation of slaves as a great virtue, and urged people in a very effective way to do so. The tremendous appeal found in the words it adopted فَكُّ رَقَبَة (release the necks) can be well imagined by a person who has flare for the language. It is evident from the context of such expressions - wherever they are found in the Qur’an - that it has regarded this virtue to be the first as well as the greatest step in pleasing God.
In a similar manner, the Prophet (sws) also urged Muslims to liberate humanity from the yoke of slavery in the following words: “Whoever liberated a Muslim slave, the Almighty in return for every limb of that slave would shield every limb of that person from Hell.”
2. People were urged that until they free their slaves they should treat them with kindness. The way their masters had total and unchecked control on them in the age of jahiliyyah was put an end to. They were told that slaves are human beings too, and no one should in any way violate the rights they possess as human beings.
Abu Hurayrah (rta) narrated from the Prophet (sws): “a slave has a right to food and clothing, and he shall not be asked to carry out an errand that is beyond him.”
Abu Dharr al-Ghifari (rta) narrates from the Prophet (sws): “They are your brothers. The Almighty has made them subservient to you. So whatever you eat, feed them with it, whatever you wear, clothe them with it and never ask them to do something which is beyond them and if there is such a task, then help them out with it.”
Ibn ‘Umar (rta) narrates from the Prophet (sws) that he heard him say: “Whoever slapped a slave or beat him up should atone this sin by liberating him.”
Abu Mas‘ud al-Ansari (rta) says: “Once when I was beating my slave I heard a voice from behind me: ‘O Abu Mas‘ud you should know that the Almighty has more power over you.’ When I turned back, I found that it was the Prophet. I immediately remarked: ‘O Messenger of God! I release him for the sake of God.’ The Prophet said: ‘Had you not done this, you would have been given the punishment of the Fire.’”
Ibn ‘Umar (rta) narrates that once a person came to the Prophet (sws) and asked: “How many times should we forgive our servant.” [At this], the Prophet kept quiet. He asked again and the Prophet again kept silent. Upon being asked the third time, he answered: “Seventy times in a day.”
3. In cases of un-intentional murder, zihar, and other similar offences, liberating a slave was regarded as their atonement and sadaqah.
4. It was directed to marry off slave-men and slave-women who were capable of marriage so that they could become equivalent in status - both morally and socially - to other members of the society.
5. If a person were to marry a slave-woman of someone, great care was exercised since this could result in a clash between ownership and conjugal rights. However, such people were told that if they did not have the means to marry free-women, they could marry, with the permission of their masters, slave-women who were Muslims and were also kept chaste. In such marriages, they must pay their dowers so that this could bring them gradually equal in status to free-women. The Qur’an says:
وَمَنْ لَمْ يَسْتَطِعْ مِنْكُمْ طَوْلًا أَنْ يَنكِحَ الْمُحْصَنَاتِ الْمُؤْمِنَاتِ فَمِنْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ مِنْ فَتَيَاتِكُمْ الْمُؤْمِنَاتِ وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِإِيمَانِكُمْ بَعْضُكُمْ مِنْ بَعْضٍ فَانكِحُوهُنَّ بِإِذْنِ أهْلِهِنَّ وَآتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ مُحْصَنَاتٍ غَيْرَ مُسَافِحَاتٍ وَلَا مُتَّخِذَاتِ أَخْدَانٍ …ذَلِكَ لِمَنْ خَشِيَ الْعَنَتَ مِنْكُمْ وَأَنْ تَصْبِرُوا خَيْرٌ لَكُمْ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ (25:4)
And if any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, he may wed believing girls from among those whom you own: and Allah has full knowledge about your faith. You are of the same species: so wed them with the permission of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to the norms; with the condition that they should be kept chaste, neither being lustful, nor taking paramours … this permission is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that you practice self-restraint. And Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (4:25)
6. In the heads of zakah, a specific head فِى الرِّقَاب (for [freeing] necks) was instituted so that the campaign of slave emancipation could receive impetus from the public treasury.
7. Fornication was regarded as an offence as a result of which prostitution centres that were operated by people on the basis of their slave-women were shut down automatically, and if someone tried to go on secretly running this business, he was given exemplary punishment.
8. People were told that they were all slaves of Allah and so instead of using the words عَبْد (slave-man) and اَمَة (slave-woman), the words used should be فَتَى (boy/man) and فَتَاة (girl/woman) so that the psyche about them should change and a change is brought about in age old concepts.
9. A big source of the institution of slavery at the advent of the last Prophet (sws) was the prisoners of war. When such a situation arose for the Muslims, the Qur’an emphasized that they cannot be kept as slaves and must be kept as prisoners of war. After this, if they were to be released, then there were two possibilities: they could be freed either by accepting ransom or as a favour by not taking any ransom money. No other option was available to the Muslims.
There is a great difference in what she trying to explain and what the interviewers trying to get from her.
is show ko dekh kar mujhe😀😀😀😀😀
Thank you for this insight
Doomed country
Interesting discussion
❤ thank u ma'am 🙏
What a mundane and stupid sounding discussion. It started at zero and ended at zero.
bakwas in english language
Yahan complex hai English language ke Apne aapko siyanan smjhte hain eng bol kr halanke Urdu kaafi khubsurat zaban haim
@@tahabashir9405 Does Sara Holz speak Urdu as fluently as she speaks English?
aapke jo cheez na samajh aaye vo cheez bakwas hai? Han ye behtar hota ki ye aam zabaan mein hota, magar speaker urdu zaban nahi bolti/jaanti. Angrezi zamaane ki zabaan hai aur jitna ilm usko aane se haasil hai utna kisi aur zabaan mein nahi. iske taareekhi wajoohaat hain. uskoo seekhna aapki behtari hi hai, jab tak aap ki zbaan mein ilm haasil nahi hai
@@hereticmorte666 Jo Urdu nhi Janta vo Islam bhi jaan sakta. English wala jhootha Islam bata rahe hain ye log. Inka sir tan se juda hona chahiye.
@@KararaJawaab lol. Urdu is not islamic language. It is Indian language.