Will This Old Stuart Turner P5M Boat Motor Start? | Workshop Diaries | Edd China
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- Will I be able to get this old Stuart Turner P5M 2-stroke single-cylinder inboard motor to run in time for some Summer fun on the river?
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Workshop Diaries 50 - From Season 2 Episode 9 ""Will it start: old Stuart Turner P5M boat motor"": Having found an old 1958 Windermere, a traditional clinker built lake launch, the question is whether I can get its lovely old Stuart Turner Motor to start!
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At this point one should realize that Edd China is a wonderful presentator and a jolly good fella!
*Mike Brewer enters chat*
@@samholdsworth420 nah, we can leave the hustle for a minute.
Mike would be a awesome cameo tho, maybe push the subs up for a ▶️ trophy, make a great vid title!
The OG’s
@@samholdsworth420 Man
And so say all of us!
the one most important things I like about Ed is he is a very genuine guy with an actual love for the things and projects he is doing.
My Grandad Allan Brockbank built these boats. He's 93 now I'll show him this he'll be happy to see it beautiful boat.
Ed has the most comfortable, informative way about him. He is a great mechanic, but a greater story teller.
and a little bit "mad professor" too 😀
@@rickc2078
And thats exactly what we need Nowadadays
That's the quietest 2 stroke I've ever heard! What a lovely bit of engineering.
Two stroke engines can be built to run slowly or (more normally) quickly. High speed strokers make use of gas dynamics and shock waves within the system. Slow speed versions have none of that ports are smaller and it runs slowly. Ideal for a small boat.
Definitely quieter than the 115 HP Evinrude I had.
How many two strokes do you normally see with a ten foot long exhaust pipe though?
@@IRMacGuyver My thoughts exactly! It it had a muffler or the exhaust remained under the water when going along would be quieter still. I'll also bet it's pretty low compression. LOVE 2 Strokes!
Water cooled exhaust certainly helps to keep the noise levels down
OMG.
Almost exactly like my grandfathers work launch in the early 70s.
Remember the engine like yesterday with same shaped engine cover, starting handle, removable gear handle on top, and brass throttle lever.
Evoked memories of summer time childhood trips down river.
Nearly made me cry!! Fab stuff.
HOW DID I NOT KNOW EDD HAD A UA-cam CHANNEL!? :O
Today, life is good!
Well,how refreshing was that ! Entertaining and educational,and no little Cockney geezer getting in the way ! Lovely.
Edd you should totally release a mini series of “how to” episodes for budding home mechanics 👌
Well done Edd! You were a superstar on TV and you remain one here. Bravo!
"STUNT PISTON " Love it! Put it on a T shirt with your Mug Ed !!
I miss the old show on tv fixing up the cars that was fun to watch bringing old junk back to life
Finally! Something went well the first time! That’s got to be a great feeling!
31:30 - making a spark next to a battery full of hydrogen !!! [if it has been charged up] - thats a big no-no edd, had 3 explosions in 40yrs, 2 went bang + showered cars in acid, one got me in the face, washed down with a hosepipe straight away, still lost my top layer of skin.
PTSD for me 31 mins in, i think a warning required on this one my friend.
lovely little engine, been on lake windermere 30 yrs ago in one of those boats, always wondered what the engine type was under the little box. keep up the good work edd, + stay safe...
Yes, I have seen this happen in a auto elec workshop once, worker was installing a " just come of the charger " battery back into car, some how he caused a spark on the battery, the battery exploded acid everywhere, lucky he wasn't Hurt.
Yep, lets not do it on top of the engine as the open cylinder might have fuel/air mix in it. Lets do it over here where we keep our Hydrogen...
Edd China (again) doing its best ! Make the STUART 2-stroke engine great again !
Ed!!! Omg ….. Ed!!!!!! Thank God I found you I can’t believe you’re on UA-cam after all these years I miss you. So glad to see you again my friend.
Ahhh, that Friday afternoon feeling. Ice cream, Edd on the telly. Time to clock off!
My first choice would have been to use vacuum hose through the dipstick opening to save some mess. Always admire Edd and his gentleman ways.
Great to find Edd again? I stopped watching the old show after he left. He was always the reason I watched.
I bought a Holt Abbot 25 ft cruiser years ago for £50 and it also had a Stuart Turner engine. When I first saw it it was underwater and had been for years and it was frozen in ! My dad was an engineer that ran a boat yard. It never dawned on me that we would ever get the engine working but my dad did. I was walking into his workshop and when I heard this engine going I was so shocked. It was put back into the boat and I lived on it for ten years cruising up and down the canal from Oxford to Shropshire. It's a lovely little engine and has a lovely quiet noise. The only problem with it was that if I ever needed parts for it they could be very expensive. I think it's still in the boat which was craned out and is now in someone's garden !
"Aaaaah 2 stroke" could be the new "Aaaah, Bisto" 😆👍 Great episode Edd & team, really enjoyed it - not much of a 'boat guy' but this was great to watch 👌
Edd - love this video. Your passion for this utterly endearing little machine is infectious and I'm thoroughly enjoying it in between journeys while at work as a bus driver.
Gem of a boat, gem of an engine. We could never afford to manufacture such quality today!
Dude you actually make things I WANT to watch as has always been the case, keep on doing things your way!!!!👍🏻😉
What a great little engine.. 70 years on and still going..
Without over engineered stuff that goes forever.
Love watching these basic old engines and seeing how they work
Thank you Ed China for sharing your experience with us all.
All that lovely copper and brass to polish... Lovely!
I had a river boat when I was a kid ( we lived in a boat yard) with this exact engine but without the new coil arrangement which I wish I had. Mine was very temperamental when starting but once going was great. Lovely to watch you at work. Wishing I still had mine
Thanks Edd for the history of Hafren. There were many years on the Lombard RAC rally when I was stood on the Hafren stage thinking it of a place name and not knowing the story behind the name. Thanks also for the video on this beautiful little engine, a joy to watch.
Really enjoyed this episode. The Stuart Turner was once ubiquitous as a yacht auxiliary and is still ideal for a small launch like this. Lovely to see and hear it run. Just one minor point: When originally installed a Stuart never had a 'wet exhaust' with cooling water injected into the exhaust. Cooling water outlet was led directly overboard and the dry exhaust had a silencer lined with some form of mineral wool and was lagged to protect boat and occupants from contact with hot surfaces.
es ist gut Edd China wiederzusehen!! Etwas andere Rolle, aber gleiche Kompetenz. Gerne mehr!!
Absolutely riveting, I can't wait for part 2. Edd, this episode epitomises why I have watched your work from the year dot, it was immersive, well presented and with amazing camera work and production. I think this is the style that will take you to the magic 1m subscribers and whilst I appreciate the sofa Q&A episodes now and again I think the fixing up and restoring is what makes you and the channel special.
Really made my day watching this. Enjoyed the subject, even the accompanying music was nice.
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Hi how are you doing
You've got to love a Stuart Turner and small clinker launches.
Hey Ed .......
Looking forward to see the boat in the water.
I recall back in the mid 90's at sea cadets we used to have to carry out the single pot chuffer boat from the shed, 6 to a side with wooden rods, walk about 50 yards to the launch. Once everyone headed back to the shed to smoke and drink MD 20/20, I stayed around to help the CO start the small motor, very similar to the one you have in this video.
What fascinated me was the simplicity of the technology, no electric start just a hand crank and plenty of patience - Spent hours chugging around the docks whilst all my mates were getting hammered behind the boat shed :D
This engine reminds me of the "Atomic 4" engine in the Triton class sloop I used to crew on. Before we started in a race, I would use a hand crank to cold crank the engine while looking for the mark on the propeller shaft indicating "top dead center" insuring that the 2-blade prop would be in line with the keel of the boat for the least amount of drag and resistance. I used to truly enjoy the yearly work of sanding of the boat bottom before painting the hull with anti-fouling bottom paint. Being in the boatyard and seeing all the boats out of the water was great. With sailboats what is below the waterline is just as beautiful as what is up top.
Edd...your the man...a great teacher of imparting knowledge ...brilliant
Detritus: my favorite science word. Good show Edd!
Give me a job Ed I've never need a rest from your workshop 👍☮️
Edd China is my hero! Endlessly entertaining, love watching his shows.
Another cracking good episode! And happy 50th :-)
BRILLIANT ED. Now you can come and sort my 2 STROKE MOPED out. It JUST won't sit at IDLE .
Havent done a set of points for 25+ years. keep up the great work Edd
We had an almost identical engine in our McWester Rowan 22’ sailing boat. We gave it lots of TLC in our ownership and it never let us down. Wonderful British engineering.
Simply don't believe you.
What a lovely launch that's a gem of a find. We had a Stuart Turner in our boatyard launch but it was not as sophisticated as yours being the hand crank model and certainly would not start as easily particularly on a freezing morning, so it got renamed the Stuart Hernia!
Too bad I don't have a friend like Edd China, a guy who seems really nice, it shows on his face, and above all an outstanding mechanic capable of restoring any vehicle and giving it to you almost refurbished.
in any case, he is pleasant to follow in his actions, to see a wreck in his magic hands become a jewel, it's fantastic...
So what you're saying is that you would like to have an Old China like Edd China! (Translation for anyone outside London- China plate = mate = friend!)
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Great to hear the joy in your voice when the motor fired up. A true enthusiast.
Almost 20 years after wheeler dealers started and your hair is as crazy as it was back then, respect master!
Wow lovely to see, a great little engine and boat, have fun mucking about on the river.
Nice to see that this beautiful old boat is getting the loving care she deserves.
Back when wooden boats were fairly common a lot of people would drop their dinghies into the mud flats for a day or two to soak up the hull planking. if there was a gap too big to close up by itself it couldn't sink too deep. Little speed boats and such we would leave on the trailer and a day or two before taking it to the river we'd put the drains back in and put 5 or 6 inches of water in the bottom to help swell it up . My Oldest sister's husband had one of those mahogany runabouts when I was a kid that had the front and rear cockpits and I believe a Chrysler flathead six for power. It stayed in the boat house out of the water in the fall and winter so we just lowered it back in the water and left it on the slings until the hull swelled.
For draining the sump oil use a foil or plastic takeaway tray. After enjoying the food, rinse them out and pop them under the workbench. Ideal for Britsh bike driptrays too.
Should have put the hose in the dipstick tube before opening the drain. Once you couldn't get anymore out of the dipstick tube, then open the drain and stick the tube in the drain.
I love the smell of two stroke in the morning😎👍
Sir Ed that has to be one of the most beautiful boats I have ever seen... The English always do beautiful things with wood....
I had one of these wonderful engines on my Broads yacht in the 70s. It didn't have the Dynostart, just hand start with the magneto. Cabin lights used a NiFe battery we had to pay for the boatyard to charge! Great days!
Hi David how are you doing
Mu uncle had a Stuart in his fishing boat. It was in Istanbul, on the Bosporus, where fishing meant dodging 1970s Soviet tankers in the fog sometimes. The Stuart ran strong when it did but parts were dificult to come by. I grew and up moved on, my uncle and the boat moved on to the Dardanelles, and utimately history.
Edd, your understanding of how mechanicals function is superb, but it’s your talent of explaining it to us that’s so incredibly informative and entertaining as well! Thanks for the years of knowledge.
Brilliant video, you should be on main stream TV. This brought back great memories of my holidays on the Norfolk Broads in the 1970s & 80's when the sailing yachts had Stuart Turner engines, between 4-6 HP with electric start. Loved the smell of fuel permeating the cabin 🙂
The capacitor aka “condenser” absorbs the low tension back-emf created by the spark coil. This prevents arcing across the points.
Hopefully, Edd can get a new coil for his magneto.
That is one function of the condenser but the main reason for it is to help collapse the low tension voltage in the coil quicker than it would do if it wasn't fitted. It is the rate of the collapse that determines the high tension voltage. (and the primary to secondary coil ratio, obviously). If you don't believe me remove the condenser and check out the spark across the plug, it will be feeble at best, but more likely there will be no spark at all!
Great epsode Edd. The SR magnetos are dead reliable and new coils are availabe so it might be worth while rebuilding it.
That face when it fires, I know that feeling. It's amazing.
Hey! It's my engine! ;)
Very satisfying episode. New problem, identified the issues and fixed everything in one sitting. Nothing left dangling (well, except the floating part of the boat).
This was like a very polished version of a Mustie "Will it run" episode.
Without Butchery....
Oh dear that brings back some memories of working on old motors i have forgotten the tricks you used but remembered them and the excitement and smelling of a motor running is not to be underestimated Oh what joy
Had a P5 in my boat in late sixties. Easy to start cold but would never start when warm. We stripped motor to last nut and bolt and collected some spares from Stuart Turner Henley on Thames .
The crankcase main shaft seals were shot so lost the crankcase compression. My dad machined out the crankcase and fitted new type of seals . After assembly and many more trips around the harbour and solent it was trouble free .
Great video I find looking at old engines interesting. It's cool you understand these old motors and can get them running. Hopefully you'll do another video getting the wood ready and then another one getting on the water. Very cool boat
I gotta say this episode is like a "mustie1 will it run" all the way to hohohoo that's briljant! Great stuff!
In 1968 my dad bought a boat on the West side of Bell Island. Our Saturday would start when the first of the Berwick launches came around the north shore of the island. On a calm day that sound would carry for more than a mile. I was nine, I’m now 65.
It is a great sound.
Btw
Those boats were built and rebuilt by the carpenters and engineers at The Gleed, Bowness. The varnish was always perfect. The competed with Shepherds for the best presented boats in their respective hire fleets. The Berwick boats were bigger.
Lucas, "The Prince Of Darkness" lol.
Thank you Ed. The 2 stroke engine has always confused me as how it actually work. After your explanation I now comprehend what I previously thought of as magic.
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Almost sounds like a hit or miss engine. Love the sound of those vintage engines 🙂
My Dad, who was an RAF mechanic during the war (39-45) had full sets of all the old spanners - Whit, BSF and AF. They all had funny little arrows on them, but I didn't twig for years. He always said they were the gift of a grateful country! I no longer have them - a house move did for them! But he told me that AF was American Fine - and that was maybe 60 years ago. He's been dead for 30 years, so I can't challenge him anymore!
Greettings from Brazil, Edd we miss you in the Discovery Channel
I have a Stuart Turner electric pump carrying water from a well to my rural cottage. I found them very nice to deal with (circa 2000) when making sure I got the right pump for the job. I had no idea they had existed for so long.
Great video Edd. 2 stroke explanation was concise and easy to follow (I understand and have rebuilt mazda rotaries and piston engines but 2 strokes were black magic to me).
Love how you have the same enthusiasm for tinkering with all stuff from a Lambo to a lawn mower.
Fascinating. Fascinating. And good fun. This material is what the web was made for.
Our old davit launched lifeboats - one motorised , the other with oars. As 8-12 junior engineer, I had to start the engine every Saturday as part of my routine duties. These engines were made by Lister, usually 2 cylinder diesels, were hand cranked and had a decompressor lever so you could spin them up before dropping the decompressor and letting them run. It was a test of strength and skill to get them going , but once you had the technique, it was easy to start. Just make sure your thumb is in the right place and sometimes they kicked back. These engines didn't look much, but they did the job and ran like sewing machines.
I used to strip and rebuild 30 of these little engines every year out of a fleet of wooden motor boats on the marine lake in Southport,,,,just a little tip if you are running the engine without the boat in the water disconnect the prop shaft or the bearing in the keel will be destroyed as it is designed to run in water
Well done!! I believe this type of engines are made to last.
pure beauty of classic engineering and classic building styles, thats a real gem there.
Wow. that boat, so beautiful!
Two things
I love the old engineering, they did stuff for practical reasons that solved problems rather than ultimate performance, i guess different time and different priorities
I appreciate the production quality of your videos, the fact that you have worked on proper telly shows.
Thirdly i have some old Whitworth sockets in the garage bought as part of a socket set in 1980, have never used them but loath to get rid just in case i get a 1930s boat, also might be worth something some day!
What a lovely bit of engineering!
What a fun video this was Edd.. I love LOVE working on older engines, marine and the like.. what a great feeling, it looks like that one was very well maintained over its life.. great video!! Thanks SO much for staying the channel!
Quite satisfying hearing the little engine run. Simple, reliable, able to work on it… Looking forward to the next video.
I was a magneto repair man for decades, the "trick "of using a battery and points within the mag is usually due to minor issues that can be reversed, however since yours has the coil removed it may be more cost effective to use it the way it is.
lol "cost effective" those are words that don't really fit with this show.
Great episode, don't you just love 2-strokes. I had one of the these engines in a Blackwater sloop many years ago, just so reliable. Can’t wait to see you on the water.
One thing us gentleman and ladies who have had the opportunity of 2 stroke motorcycle involvement , would totally agree with Edd is “hmm two stroke “ it’s a fuelled/oily sweet smelling concoction that is distinct in its aroma. Plenty of us folk who have had the pleasure of riding a stink wheel (two stroke) in the past, loving the show Edd great content with a great presenter.
Ed China! Been years since I've seen you - the old telly show on fixing up motorcars. Glad to see that you are still turning wrenches, and doing a great job at it. Having restored a good few old boats, you are tugging at my hear strings - and I thank you for still being around and showing us all how to do a good job.
If memory serves, the "expansion chamber" is known as a scavenge,
Which allows the exhaust gasses to be scavenged out of the cylinder, which in turn allows a full charge of air/ fuel mixture to be inducted into the cylinder; the "ski jump" shape of the piston head gives a better mixture distribution,whilst preventing the fresh charge from going out through the exhaust port.
@Alfred Wedmore
Having crawled round inside of a ten cylinder TS marine diesel engine scavinge to clean it out, I can say they do exist.
Moreover, I had actually seen one of those motors before, stripped on the bench and I asked what the piston hump was for the explamation was as I have out lined.
When the magneto "winds up & releases", it should only do that when you're starting it, to give you a better spark at cranking speed. The mechanism should be disengaged by a weight flinging out when the engine starts.
Thank you, we’ll go through it properly if I find the parts to reinstate it.
Also called an impulse coupling
Best post for a while - some real mechanics!
Can't wait to see the first fishing trip.
When I was young my dad had one of those engine's in an oystercatcher boat we went sea Fisher it's a great engine it never let us down
Stuart Turner's were good engineers, I've restored a few of their engines and they are always well made, always worked to death but nothing that good old basic engineering repair skills can't rectify. Good save of a lovely old boat, but do please brush up on how a magneto works..! :)
Would love to see its magneto restored,
I remember when I was an apprentice, a lot of the old boys had some bizarre ideas about points, condensers, coils, magnetos, etc. I soon worked out it was best to just agree with them.
What kind of weight is this engine?
I remember listers and petters as a kid but only saw 1 Turner.
Were they about the same power and weight?
@@Th3_Gael One like this, quite a bit lighter than a 1.5hp Lister, probably around 2/3rd's of the weight, but still a fair lump of iron.
@@steamwally that's a fair engine for its day then. 3 times the power with less weight.
Thanks for the reply
That boat is gorgeous.
Please polish all the brass. It’ll be heavenly then.
A very reliable, very very clever device... Words not normally uttered wherever Lucas is involved.