Who Played it Best? The Message in a Bottle Drum Part
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
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Domenic Nardone - • Message in a Bottle - ...
Little Drummer Channel - • Message In A Bottle Dr...
Sina - • Message In A Bottle (T...
Mike Michalko - • Police "Message In A B...
Fabio Amato - • The Police - Message i...
Deivhook - • Deivhook - The Police ...
As a non - drummer I found this fascinating. I never thought so much scrutiny and analysis went into playing.
Great !
fantastic whenever there are a few people who know what's happening
Ey!! Thanks "The 80/20 Drummer" for including one of my first drum covers, that I made, in this video with this amazing drummers. I really appreciatte it. All drummers and their playing in this video are awesome!! Including you, of course. Yo made my day! Nice to meet you mate! Cheers! Deivhook
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If I may add... in all the years I have been playing I have never lost the passion for music/drums/percussion... music never lets me down, never. Cheers, Rod
Nice job m8!
Stuart Copeland is criminally underrated
By who? He's widely considered one of the best drummers that ever lived even though he only spent a third of his musical career playing them.
I thought he was considered a fecking legend myself.... 🤔
You're criminally hackneyed
Not underrated here 🙂
Have to say I've only ever heard gushing praise (rightly so!) for SC.
I think how it’s awesome how this series throws some spotlight on some ‘unknown’ drummers, giving them some deserved recognition and public reach, which can only serve to build up the drumming community as a whole.
Hello my friend and wow its an honor to be mentioned in this group of fine players, sincere thanks! Additionally, I think that it’s great that you are sharing this era of music with the YT world…many young musicians are not familiar with some of these great songs and bands. Keep up the great work! Wishing you and yours the very best in your days ahead…cheers!
Wooooow!!! Loving this series of Who played best!!!
You can thank EMC productions for the idea
They get a 5 in my book pay more attention to the drum style and fill of his playing. You have to lessen to a lot of reggae then rock, forget the punk music it takes bit and parts of reggea, stop being lazy and put in the work me and the drummer of police
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Michalkow is one of the first drummers I followed on UA-cam in ‘09, so cool to see him here
WOW! I'm honoured that you chose my video for your discussion. As for subbing for Stewart, I'm afraid I'd never make it LOL. I'm a just hobby drummer. Maybe a local bar band drummer at best, but thanks for the kind words! Hey, you didn't even give my channel a fair chance LOL!!
Ciao Domenic 💪🏻😉
I chose you as winner !!!
you were the best.
You nailed it, dude!
Domenic I have watched some of your vids when learning new songs for our band dude, VERY helpful, hobby drummer my ass haha, I see you play all other instruments as well, awesome in my eyes brother :)
Wow. I somehow just found this video - thanks for including me! Appreciate all the comments. Stewart obviously played it best and it’s very hard to imagine The Police without him… but I also enjoy watching Vinnie Colaiuta play a lot of their songs when on the road with Sting. I always look at him as the super polished version of Stewart. What I love about Stewart is that he almost always played the songs different live (a lot of improv) but still managed to keep the feel of the song! That’s what I was going for here…mixing a little bit of everything - the studio recording, improvising and combining everything I’ve heard him play *live* (but not forcing it)…he’s one of my fav and I used to listen to the box set and live videos daily. So, it comes very natural to me. Props to all the other drummers who covered this - super fun to watch everyone’s take! Check out my Roxanne cover: ua-cam.com/video/2WbdYNUcgzU/v-deo.html
Thanks Fabio! I also linked your cover in the description :)
One problem with copying Stewart Copland is there is the recorded version, and there is the fact Stewart never played the same in concert. Every time Stewart played a song he played it similar yet always different.
that's what's brilliant about him. He's the polar opposite of Neil Peart who maintained a strict chart for all Rush songs and didn't deviate from the original.
@@pbaker7160 you mean deviate from the norm!
@@landonpeckham7752 nice!
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It has a lot to do with his band mates. Andy and Sting over time just got comfortable with Stewards live performance play. Now the plus for Stewart is he can vary performance to performance, but not throw everyone off.
@@pbaker7160 Nah. Copeland is a drummer and pert is a percussionist. Copeland is just doing this the way all drummer do.
Love Fabio's Kit! I love my 10" tom on my 1981 Gretsch power tom kit, i used it exactly like him! I'm 58 and when stewart hit the scene in 79 I was hooked instantly. Thanks
"So it's half-reggae, half-punk"
That's the perfect way to describe The Police in general, I love it!
10:00 That is exactly what I would do with the ride vs hat issue in the verse.
Thx man! Copeland is one drummer i can't even try to imitate
man that reggae groove is tight as hell nate.
1:11 Love the miniature Neil Peart candy apply red kit in his curio cabinet behind him.
This is a great video! Love the drummer comparisons. And I LOVE your explanation of Stewart's drumming. Simply awesome! You did a nice job drumming Message in a Bottle too!
For those who missed it or are just unaware: At 0:16 that's Alan Wilder of Depeche Mode. And while his cameo here had me in stitches (I'm a die hard DM fanboy!), he also played drums on numerous DM tracks, self taught if I remember correctly. There’s a few instances of him doing it live, on the Devotional concert film. He plays very song oriented, efficient, no frills or flashyness, just serving the song. His simplistic live rendition of I Feel You will always be my favourite drumming to any song of theirs because it just SLAMS! I saw them live dozens of times after he quit the band, and their current live drummer, Christian Eigner, never had that magic touch for me. He just overplays the songs, beating the drums like they owe him money. Anyway, nice touch sneaking Mr. Wilder in there!
These cover videos are great. You should also build us a Spotify list of songs to play along with, from beginner to intermediate to pro. Amateur drummers face many barriers to practice: space, time, noise, and having musicians to play with. Rudiments are boring. Drummers need to maximize the fun/learn balance in their limited opportunities. What are the best songs in various genres to practice the key elements of good drumming?
1. Time
2. Feel
3. Lockup
4. Kit Control
5. Keeping the 1
We can use your advice from the cover videos to practice fidelity and the sub factor. We can record ourselves and listen back to our recording to get the “feedback” in deliberate practice with feedback. And most of all, it will be fun to practice.
I found Domenic Nardone the other day and I have to say he plays a multitude of styles perfectly. I would give Domenic 12/10
Interestingly, almost none of the drummers shown have the incredible power of Copeland, just watching the opening live portion shows that in spades. Part of Stewart's sound is the sheer dynamism of his playing. I was hoping to hear one of the covers use a noise gate to get Stewart's incredible snare crack...but that's a big ask. Fun video.
At ~10 years old, I recognized something different about his sound without knowing what I was hearing.
The moving the right hand back and forth from the ride though not playing anything on the snare, is for giving the trap muscle and shoulder cuff a break & for timing. A better question is, "why leave your arm out there if it's not playing...it just causes added tension?" Gravity isn't our friend. The continued movement actually prevents muscle fatigue.
Fabio nailed the Copeland feel here. 80/20 crushed the dynamics.
You should do who played it best on 50 ways to leave your lover
I love this series! When I cover Stewart Copeland, I switch to traditional grip because I feel like... well, the feel... is closer to the original.
You should do “Seven Days” by Sting. The original recording is played by Vinnie Colauta, so it’s a really fun chart.
Is that one of Sting’s tracks that’s in a very odd meter?
@@cmiller6352 it's in 5/4
A PhD dissertation could be written on Vinnie's playing on Seven Days. It's an absolute drumming masterpiece on a perfectly written pop song.
Bravo Fabioooo hi from Italy 🥁💪🏻
I love your customised crash symbol
Totally agree with your pick of Fabio. His playing felt the most natural and in the pocket. Although he's covering the live version I always thought Anthony Eaton did a fantastic cover of this song as well!
Unique drummer that ever lived ❤
Hey Man! Thanks for adding me to this video! Stewart is the Man!!!! Apparently he saw my original recording and dug it! Keep up the great work all you awesome drummers!
Fabio’s kit, esp. the cymbals, sounded the best to my ears, which only further solidified his win IMO.
"Without dropping a stick" I feel ya, bro.
A main reason Rush was so phenomenal live was you could expect to hear damn near note for note what you learned to love from their recordings. Some may like improvisation, but me? I paid to hear EXACTLY what I learned to love. I cringe even when someone butchers, er- "improvises" the Star Spangled Banner. Now that's not to say intentionally "versioning" a song is bad... I actually like some different versions... but that's different from improvisation.
I Couldn't agree more.
I share you view. Once you deviate from the original, it becomes something else (and not good)
We should remember that only the best takes from I don't know how many tries made it to the record, so there's a reason why they should be played the same.
The secret sauce is to capture the mood of the piece, not just the technical aspect.
That's why classical musicians might play the same piece note for note as it was written but they also make their own footprint in it because of how they feel the soul of the written structure.
In rock songs, I think it can only go 2 ways: either you play it just as good as the original, or you simply can't capture the song's mood or technicality and you go off script, thus butchering the original.
I absolutely agree with you in regards to Rush.
One more thing. It's very interesting to see the difference between real pro drummer like Copeland, and the copycats.
On one side, you watch the total ease of playing while being submerged into the enjoyment of the sound, and on the other side you see very labored and uptight attempts to stay within rhe structure.
What a waste of time. I would be mad if I paid to see live music and just heard a lessor version of the album.
Yeah, I agree with you. Fabio had the best Stu feel for me.
I really liked your idea to focus in the ride on the verse and get the hihat involved with your left for those openings on the upbeats.
Louis Palmer just released a video of this song today!
Love it. Bottom line: Copeland’s VERY hard to get right. So technical but so earthy.
It makes me glad there are a few people who comprehend what's true
Completely agree. The one and only Copeland ..
@@RLDrumStudio one of the greatest for sure!
i think (at least for this song) faithfulness should include tuning.
Hi... just joined your channel... I've been playing for about 60 years now professionally... never stopped learning... you have some great up to date info. I enjoy what you say. Keep up the nice work. Cheers, Rod
Been listening to this track a lot this week and this pops up
the gold-nugget for me here is the reggae to double-time back--beat morph. plus i actually like your take, though some mite say; 'it lacks Stuart's drive and energy'... you could learn from yourself !!.... love your channel's cerebrality (new word)
You have to use traditional grip to do Copeland correctly. Also, there's a certain aggro-mode you gotta get in to
Totally. No matter what the tempo, you have to play like you wish it was 5-10 bpm faster.
@@Oceanmachine27 Thats an excellent way to describe it!
I liked yours & Fabio’s best🤘
I am a former drummer, a terrible one at that ;I find it extremely interesting to see how I would listen to tracks then play them thinking "hey I got it" yet I had bypassed pretty much the whole fine adds on of the track. God I sucked.
Really enjoyed this! Buuuut... From the title I expected/hoped it was going to be a comparison of Stewart Copeland vs Vinnie Colauita vs Omar Hakim takes on message in a bottle... A follow-up perhaps?
Didn’t Sting rearrange it for his solo work? I think that would make it tough to judge those guys against each other as you’d be judging the arrangements as well. But i do like the idea behind it.
@@dmleibo You're right, it's less of a "who covered it best?" more of a "how did they do it differently?"
Stewart almost never played foot pedal quarter notes on the hats- while on the ride. He had two similar foot pattern techniques, where the bass and hats alternated. The two patterns are present in The Police Around the World. He also used the single finger traditional grip, which I was forced to ditch when joining marching band in high school.
I agree fully.
I look at timing and weight as the key factors. I have a sensitive ear to that. Confidence also is a factor. Gig players have that covered generally.
Weight is the best way to judge a perfect player from a genius. Like the piano, weight is everything because ultimately, it's more the result of passion and heart over something learned mechanically.
Great video, Nate. Just as an aside, Stewart never considered himself drawing from reggae drummers, but more from middle eastern percussion rhythms, having grown up in Egypt and Lebanon. The fact that it fit so well with Sting's reggae influenced bass lines was kizmet. If you think about it, reggae grooves have a certain laid-back vibe to them, where as Stewart was never laid-back. He has a frenetic, spontaneous feel to everything he plays. He never plays it the same way once!
Great video with some awesome drummers the first one for me was the best
"I"m called the LIttle Drummer....ooo but don't let my name fool ya. In real life....I'm very big"
love it all....thanks
I'm waiting for Lars Ulrich's rendition before I decide...
Please no Metal(lica) in a Bottle
No need for that. But Virgil Donatti wud be worth it.
Yikes!
Funny
🤣🤣🤣
Great video. As someone who basically learned how to play by trying to imitate Stewart back in the late 80s it’s inspiring to see people still trying to tap into his mojo.
I must however take issue with one point which Stewart has addressed in multiple interviews. It’s not reggae which is behind the bass drum concept, but rather the Baladi rhythm which he picked up growing up in Lebanon.
Otherwise, thanks for churning out so much great content.
That atlanta show is out of this world.
I love this video, and I loved your cover, Nate! Hopefully you keep this series up! It's a good way to examine and teach the non-technical aspects of drums!
For me, I'll go with Michaelko as #1, I absolutely loved what he did with the ride and hihat, the alternating did it for me. Of course Nardone and Fabio also did awesome, so I'd go for a tie at second. Hey 80/20, I really liked the sound of your snare! I love these video's you've put together. Thank you, Thank you!!
Agree: Fabio wins. Deivhook also very good. Great video!
" ... about sounding good while improvising." Indeed!
Thanks 🥁👌
They are all so great.
Excellent program:)
I used to play this on weekend gigs for about a year, The first guys approach was a mirror of what I did/tried to do, getting the feel right for me is pretty hard when played like this (fuc its hard outright), but it was cool to see someone else take the same approach and ironicly end up sounding just the same. Interesting topics on your channel.
Great show and always interesting hearing what you say about all that is drumming. I was lucky to know stuarts mom a bit as she lived just down the road from me here in rural france.
Drivin to tears great drumming
You rated Mike Michalko's version at the bottom? Totally disagree. He was SOLID.
Fabio was playing a mix of Message in a Bottle and Walking on the Moon.
You played it well.also loving the cracked crashes!
“Sounding good while improvising”: 💯!!
You rock, man! Love these videos and how you do them.
You need some merch!
Haha. Official 8020 “am I cancelled yet” rash guards coming right up
@@8020drummer: I’d buy one!😂😂
Love this -- thank you! It's funny -- my internal commentary is almost exactly the same as yours. I'm not a drummer, but am a keyboard player/composer. Now I have to re-watch the Rosanna video.
Lets not forget that Neil was also doing it "differently" than everyone else at this time. Neil is the reason I got into Stewart
Who?
@@badtelevision5482 SMH
@@jsmctch Millennials are bad at everything.
@@badtelevision5482 If you are interested I was speaking about Neil Peart. He was (recently deceased) the drummer for a band called RUSH
Great song, Stewart is the ill nasty w/ traditional grip. Amazing drum playing by all involved. Definitely worth watching the entire vid. Excellent Analysis from 80/20 drummer, made me want to get on the kit and hit stuff..........
Stewart is the drummer's drummer! He's always been my fave, since I was like 12yrs old.
I'm 50 now.
Fabio and you were the best.
Good call. I'f I'm Sting, I'm calling Fabio.
You can't copy Stewart Copeland because he doesn't even copy himself .
He improvised a lot on tour .
He was great.
"Was"???
@@tezzo55 is
Jesus Christ it's a word .
Was , Is , blah blah blah .
@@romeoalpha68 Well the difference between "is" and "was" is usually "death" (also just a word, but they all have meaning) so you had me checking whether Mr Copeland was dead. You'll be glad to hear he ain't. By the way, in this comments section, it's ALL just words, therefore it's best to use them accurately. Cheers.
@@tezzo55 Maybe he didn't know if Copeland was still good. He did give up the drums for years. Also, drummer tend to lose it when they get old. Ringo did. Collins did. pert did.
@@badtelevision5482 Sure, that's why I asked him what he meant by it. And that's when he came on all adolescent boy, stamping his little foot while pleading illiteracy. He could have said, "he's not dead, but his playing is" but he didn't say that did he? He said " 'was' is just a word", but he said nothing about SC's playing, and judging by his annoyance, I think he just used the wrong word, wouldn't you say? He probably just another butt hurt drunk, shouting at strangers. Best 👍
VC covered it the best
The drumming in Synchroncity 2 is also similar and one of my favorite Stewart Copeland compositions.
Great great video. Aesthetically, I really like the backlit couch segments.
NOBODY can do it like Stewart, NOBODY.
True, but Josh Freese plays it well with Sting. You can tell he's trying to respect the original track.
Louie Palmer, hands down. He posted it a few hours ago.
Just watched. It's great. Curious to know why you think it's better than Fabio's...
I was just gonna say that
The 80/20 Drummer To my ears Palmer’s take better captures the drive and energy of Copeland’s original. Stewart plays slightly on top of the beat to push the music forward. Fabio’s version is great, but imo a bit to heavy in its feel to truly capture the spirit of Copeland.
Damn it, your snare sounds 100000000 better than mine
(imho) I always imagined/heard the drum parts to Message in a Bottle were structured around the bass one drop/4 on the floor reggae (and I liked when the bass drum sounds most like reggae in the covers) with a lot of the more syncopated latin-clave style of some reggae drummers in the hands, with a punk rock bridge.
I love the contrast from different syncopated "latinish" half-time one drops and four on the floor reggae to "fast" funk rock really sounds good. Also, I think it's the contrast, push/pull between the different syncopations/one drop/grooves/half-time/4v3 feel/backbeats/punk that makes it works - all about finding the good feel in the balance, while getting people to want to dance!
Also, I think besides the hihats, the guitar and bass "drive" the beat a lot more than in a lot of "pop" music and the drums are more for syncopation/ambience and one drop (with the exception of the bridge) for the part.
For example, the Hamburg show (ua-cam.com/video/7Hip-X7kQ9w/v-deo.html) sounds way more reggae/one drop/ Sly&Robbie to me than some others may hear the drum/bass parts. Also, it sounds like he is using delay on the hats. This is definitely what I love about the song - the reggae, the lyrics/melody, the bass line and the guitar part. Well - basically everything!
fwiw, I used to try to play the drum or guitar parts in a violin, bass, guitar/percussion trio with varying degrees of success, but it was definitely fun to play and one of my favorite tunes :)
Another Police that's great and has a unusual take on one drop is Bed's Too Big ...
I actually loved the version by @The 80/20 Drummer.
You done Aja covers yet? Kinda rare, but man, I love people trying to cover Aja.
Great video for even a non drummer because we all know Stewart is a rock god. I been air drumming to the police since the MTV says and the Synchronicity Tour came on tv etc. He made drumming look extremely cool. Drummers already cool but he took it up a notch. I always watch these drum covers and even as a non drummer I know every note of the way he played it. But i agree it doesnt have to be hit for hit.
I'd argue they have the fullest sound of any three-piece band of all time. Much of this could be attributed to Copeland.
I guess you've never heard of Rush,,,
What about soliloquy
Or Nirvana and Creme ALL with great drummers btw, Defo need a solid drummer in a 3 piece.
Dunno wtf people have trouble with reggae, always found it easy, Stewart on that Atlanta gig is amazing sure the Mix,mic set up and using a delay helps but he's a beast 👍
Take a look to Sina-Drums. She is amazing and one of the best cover drumer...possible the best!
Fun video!!
Some good stuff. Stewart kicks ass
My favourite song for his performance is every little thing she does is magic.
right, that lick towards the end, awesome, eeyo,oh!
Agree on Fabio and Nardone totally. Again, proficiency equal, so much depends upon playing a beautifully tuned kit and the recording environment, mix parameters. No kazoo toot here, but the big Neve of Electric Lady made an ordinary drum track sound stupendous. Just a consideration to attend below the surface.
I'd love to just fall into owning a Neve for my little studio, (any Neve, I'm not picky).
Not a lot of the covers capture Copeland's forward momentum, the feel of slightly pushing the beat...and some didn't get the cool hi hat phrasing after the chorus...
6:17 Loving the clockwork orange vibes in this room
I really like this format alot
Agree with the scores. Fabio played with what looked like Zero effort.
Great format !
Your way is the way I’ve played it since it came out! No shit! Heavy ride, accents on hat...
Really nice lockup with the track btw.
On the recording and most live performances Stewart hits the double tom notes between snare hits on the pre-chorus. On some live versions however, Stewart does not do this. Although we all probably prefer for those tom notes to always be there .:)
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