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- Four-time Grammy-award-winning drummer and composer Antonio Sánchez rates seven drum scenes in movies and TV, such as "Whiplash," for realism.
He breaks down the fundamentals of drumming, such as tempo and grip, in "Scott Pilgrim vs. the World" (2010) and "Whiplash" (2014), starring Miles Teller. He also breaks down different drumming styles in various genres in "Sound of Metal" (2019) and "School of Rock" (2003), starring Jack Black. He also rates the performances of the drummers in "The Office" (2011), "Wayne's World" (1992), and "That Thing You Do!" (1996).
Sánchez is the composer of the film score for "Birdman" (2014), which won four Oscars. He has performed with various notable musicians, such as Chick Corea, Pat Metheny, Gary Burton, and Charlie Haden. He's been playing the drums since he was 5 years old.
You can follow Antonio here:
www.antoniosanchez.net
/ antoniodrums1
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Ok, for all the Whiplash fans that keep saying that the scene needed some context: I had seen the movie. There is some decent, realistic playing throughout the film. Miles Teller did a pretty good job in general. For this video I got asked to rate SPECIFICALLY the playing on the scenes. Even if Fletcher was trying to mess with his head and asking him to play fast to make him uncomfortable, the actual playing is absolute nonsense. Zero. Doesn’t pass as actual playing and the bleeding hands are absurd.
It is possible to play incredibly fast where the playing is organized, coordinated and polished. Not on this scene, hence the 1 rating.
Cheers.
Heared someone saying the same thing about that scene. In any case it makes no sense to me, it's a drum class and not the military. But then again I read that the movie did exegarete a LOT. :)
Great video. Thanks for doing this!
PS: One of my favorite drummer is Dale Crover.
Inmediatamente me hice tu fan. No te conocía, pero de inmediato a escuchar tu música. Fascinante explicación.
Antonio is 100% right here. What has always bothered me about Whiplash was that a lot of the scenes where Miles is in the practice room (or on stage as in this clip) he is woodshedding or ripping out "blast beats", which are common in punk and metal music, NOT jazz.
what about Drumline ?
@@corneliusdobeneck4081 It's not a drum class, it's a rehearsal space for one of the most prestigious bands in the US. They were playing that fast in short bursts for about 6 or 7 straight hours as a form of physical abuse, it's not about the tempo or playing well, and their hands would absolutely be bleeding like that.
"Drummer" is the understatement of the century here lol. I really need all the non-drummers who watch this to appreciate that this dude is at the very top of his craft.
Facts. I yelled at the screen when I saw the "kit" they gave him. He's obviously talented enough to make his point with just a snare and cymbal but watch him play a proper set and it'll change your life
@@bhrg looks like thats his own cymbal and snare. He probably couldn't be assed bringing a full kit.
Exactly! Thank you!
It doesn’t matter what level you are in the game, it never gives somebody the right to be the biased snob he is. I don’t think he’s looking through the comments to see you stroking his back. It’s OK. Facts. These are his words and you don’t have to defend him.
@@stainpain77 "Biased snob"? Lol what? Looks like somebody got triggered. 😂 I think your comment says much more about you than about Antonio...
Damn, you guys got ANTONIO SANCHEZ?! Dude's one of the all-time gods of jazz and Latin jazz. If you're a drummer, you listen when this guy talks.
@Ryan Cox Can you believe that some Whiplash fans had the nerve to question his comments on the film’s accuracy of drumming?
@@SunnyHF-nf4bc Lol... Whiplash is to drumming what the WWE is to collegiate wrestling.
Amen, I've seen him several times live when he was playing with Pat Metheny.
@@SunnyHF-nf4bc I've just seen this video because I watched Whiplash and was looking at videos related to it, as a non drummer even I knew the playing in some scenes made absolutely no sense musically
He's a nobody
I saw Antonio Sanchez perform last night at a club in Portland, and I would say the drumming was fairly realistic.
9/10
Sorry for you 😔
Hahaha! Nailed it.
I’m glad they chose a real and very good drummer to do this. Would have been way to grab a Lars or something just for name recognition but Sanchez is a drummers drummer. Great breakdown.
"To grab a Lars", what a beautiful metaphor.
@@ilyakonrad care to explain that? ty
@@ABar-gu9zy Lars Ulrich is often regarded in a bad way by drummers. So, as I understood "to grab a Lars" (and the use of "a" here is brilliant) means to take a famous person as an expert instead of taking, well, an expert.
Damn straight. Antonio is one of the best alive today.
...so is Lars ... the man can play....
Still hurts to this day that Birdman OST wasn't nominated for an Oscar. This guy is incredible
Don't listen to Antonio Sánchez. He is a two-face douchebag jerk
@@krioni86sa what makes you say that? He seems okay to me
@@krioni86sa Aww did he hurt your ego at that clinic?
@@ianrags likely a Trump stan
@@rubberduckman probably some failed student who wasn't talented to begin with, blame the teacher thing.
So glad Sound of Metal was first and got a 10/10, the actor absolutely nailed his character
Fax bro. Great acting
Riz said in the lead up to filming he divided all his time between working out, learning sign language and drumming
I could listen to this guy for hours. Even if he is a really experencied and talented drummer, he wasn't arrogant or pretentious during the video , he wasn't too harsh on the ratings and he made some really clears explanations. Great job !
He is one of the greatest drummers in the world.
Yeah, he’s absolutely one of the top guys playing today. An absolutely inhuman level of skill
Saying that Antonio Sanchez is a top drummer would be an understatement. I know no musicians who weren't instantly in awe of Sanchez's abilities when they first heard/saw him. Add to this, the fact that Antonio Sanchez is also an educator. His ability and dedication to communicate his ideas to a younger generation of musicians, in addition to his elite skill level, make him a one-of-a-kind figure in jazz drumming today
I feel like being humble and being extremely talented is the perfect recipe for being a top musician. Once you get pretentious or full of yourself you stop evolving.
@@joesantamaria5874 If that was true I would have heard of him before today.
"I did the soundtrack for Birdman" is such an understatement of what that actually was
He’s so well spoken. Not hard to imagine him and Pat just talking for hours after gigs. Sublime
Dude knows his stuff, right down to the history of traditional grip. I’m glad he pointed out the lack of a beat in the Whiplash clip.
Antonio Sánchez: Ofter imitated, never duplicated. A true master of the instrument.
Antonio Sanchez, a living legend, awesome you got him for this!
Been drumming for 27 years and I'm so, so happy that That Thing You Do is featured here. That movie perfectly captures the excitement and anxiety of joining a band and playing live. Also the actor essentially put himself through a drumming bootcamp for several weeks to play the part and it shows; he looks and sounds exactly like a young guy who is good but not great and wants to be better.
That Thing You Do is a cult classic in my family. So quotable ha
Such a great movie. Great example of a movie produced my Tom hanks but peanut make him the main character.
When 'Whiplash' gets a 1 and 'The Office' gets a 10 you know there's a professional in the room.
Gives it a 1 because he watches 30 second clip of it with no prior context? Okay. "He needs to relax" during the scene where he's been playing for hours and his hands are bleeding and he's getting screamed at.
I think his assessment of Whiplash is a little unfair since it's obvious that's all of the movie he's seen. For example, when JK Simmons is hitting the cowbell, guy says "that's what he should be playing to," implying that JK was trying to give him the tempo, when he was actually doing the opposite and trying to throw him off.
@@NNegativeCreep isn't it odd, a drummer with his experience never heard Whiplash
@@NNegativeCreep I watched the enitre movie, and I'd give it a 1 as well. It is in every possible way completely unrepresentative of what it's really like to play jazz drums at the college level, for the sake of telling a story more compelling to laypeople.
@@jc3drums916 I don't think you understand the point of the film. It's not a drum simulator bro.
I saw Sanchez perform the birdman soundtrack live along with the movie like 6 years ago, it was insane and amazing. Man is a beast
At 7:40, Antonio speaks about making the least amount of movement possible. By coincidence, I watched him play with Pat Metheny a couple a days ago, and noticed that most of the time he manages to keep his upper arms parallel to his body, moving only from the elbows down, even when playing fast; always relaxed. He is an incredibly excelent drummer, very very musical! It´s a joy to hear him play!
thing is that metheny's music is very subtle and nuanced most of the time and it's kinda hard to get subtlety and nuance out of a big arm movement, hence the application of as small as possible movements. it yields great control. you can see a similar thing in extreme metal drumming where they go so fast that big movements are just no longer possible so a lot of techniques that are usually found in other music like jazz are employed and/or developed further
This is not a "Drummer Rates...", this is a master class!
Sound of metal is extremely underrated. Didn’t know what to expect going into it but it was such a great and seemingly realistic approach at the transition and evolution of a broken man
I tried it. I lasted about 20minutes, The characters irritated me and i wasnt rooting for them. A few friends said the same. I dunno? I get the idea i just couldnt get with the Actors.
@@fibessnaredrum2775 pretty sure that was the point. You shoulda stayed to the end. It all comes together
I didn't like it because of the sick mentality of "we don't need to be cured" displayed by his main support group
@@ileutur6863 what’s wrong with that mentality?
@@ileutur6863 you mean the other deaf people? Don't mess with deaf culture man. They have been outcast by most of society so they are very proud of their deaf culture and being deaf in general. And for most people cochlear implants don't even work anyways so there is no cure.
Yea, Riz Ahmed did an amazing job on "The Sound Of Metal" in my opinion, too. I really liked his performance in the overall film, he seemed like a real drummer!
As a fellow drummer, my current favorite drumming movie is also Sound of Metal. Great video! And Antonio is THE MAN!!!
For any of y'all who are unfamiliar with Antonio Sanchez, he is one of the greatest drummers of all time, no cap
im just now learning this actually. gunna check out some of his vids after this
Not even top 100, in the US … ^^ But yeah, sure.
I've seen Meg White on top 100 lists with no mention of Thomas Lang on them. Just for reference.
@@jurycould4275 what do you mean? He’s internationally regarded
haha tell me you are a casual, whithout tellingme you are one @@jurycould4275
I have an awesome fun fact about the Wayne's World clip!! I had a middle school vice principal named Mr. Raimo - I think his first name was Steve, yeah Steve Raimo sounds right - who had been a pro drummer in the past and worked on SNL in the early 90s. And so it turned out he was the person who taught Dana Carvey to play drums! He gave him lessons, and Dana became a pretty darn legit drummer for what amounts to a small amount of screen time actually drumming as Garth. Commitment to the craft, for sure, but hey drums are fun so that's a win win anyway!!
I've liked Sánchez as a drummer for a while and I gotta day Sánchez as an "expert reacts" is just as good. Respects the movies for what they're doing, situates everything with his encyclopedic knowledge while not regurgitating info, comments on technique with enough depth. What a great dude to just listen talkinh about drumming.
As a (novice) drummer, I absolutely loved Sound of Metal. It's good to know a professional drummer thinks that movie has a good representation of accurate drumming. Riz Ahmed is one of the best actors of our time, in my humble opinion.
The Sound of Metal is a great movie. The way the main issue in the plot builds to a release of tension at the end was beautifully done. Definitely recommend.
I'm so befuddled that the dude who played the drummer in The Sound of Metal isn't a drummer. He MUST have some background in percussion, he's way too good. I know editing is really powerful but damn he killed it.
Riz Ahmed is an MC/Rapper so he's dealt with music before. Also, at Central (his drama school), there is a lot of focus on percussion when it comes to training.
@@nafeezofficial none of that would get you ready for drums. Being a dj is just being the guy that hits play, and occasional live mixing. Other than recognizing the beat, a dj has nothing to share with a drummer. Same with percussion. Percussionists arguably have the easiest job in music, after dj's. So long as they can recognize the beat, what they actually play, rarely matters much, and they don't have to use much energy to do it. A drummer works far harder than anyone else on stage. They don't have to recognize the beat, they have to BE the beat. That's a lot harder than most people think. You utilize every muscle group on a drum set. You have to be in shape. Imagine running for two hours and every step has to be perfectly timed. That's the life of a drummer. No DJ or percussionist is gonna just roll in and be great behind a kit. This guy clearly trained for the part, and he did a fantastic job of it. It must have taken a lot of work.
@@Trentstone121 as a professional drummer of ~15 years I think you're really understating the difficulty of other instruments lol
@@dinospumoni5611 I play a lot of instruments including drums and percussion, although saying you play percussion is like saying you're a finger painter. It isn't exactly difficult, and practically anyone can do it. I stand by my comment, but respect your view as well. I was more commenting on the actual physical difficulties of playing a drum set. A DJ isn't a musician at all, and a percussionist just doesn't have to work as hard. Watch the girl playing bongos. She's not playing anything specific, and isn't even in time all the time. No one cares because bongos don't set the rhythm. Bongos barely need a rhythm at all when a drum set is already doing the heavy lifting.
@@Trentstone121 Where did he say he was a DJ though? To me rapping and DJing couldn't be more different to each other lmao
School of Rock was a huge inspiration when I was growing up in music, and It perfectly represented the set up I had at a public school haha the drum kit we had there was rubbish, mismatched and constantly messed with by kids(and teachers for that matter..) who didn't know how to tune a drum kit. the kits heads would be always loosened so bad, they then got dented and ruined.. I spent more time re tuning that damn kit that I probably did actually playing haha
I was like the same age as the kids when SoR came out and I can confidently say that that movie is easily one of the biggest things that made me want to play guitar. I would seriously fantasize about having a sub teacher come in and start a band like that lmao. It’s still one of my favorite movies. I just love it.
Also all of the kids that were in the movie actually played their instruments. My best friend is stepsiblings with Kevin (Freddy Jones - the drummer). He unfortunately passed away in 2021 but he was an awesome drummer.
I wasn't sure who this guy was when I started the video but god dam, he did an awesome job breaking all of these scenes down. Very thorough and to me I didn't hear anything I didn't agree with... especially the Whiplash rating!
Great video Antonio!
I seen Antonio in concert twice. Once with Pat Metheny and once with this group. He was F-ing awesome!!!! Even got a picture taking with him.
We need a part 2!
This is one of my absolute favorite drummers,Antonio slays
He's a great drummer, not overacting & he gave his very nice & detailed reactions in every video! Love it!👌
Soo happy you got Antonio on this!!
The actor from Sound of Music actually took drum lessons for the movie - he’s the real deal.
One of my favorite drummers, I’ve been fortunate to see him with PM a few times.
Antonio’s work with Pat Metheny is incredible. As someone who is a massive fan of Metheny, filling in his previous drummers shoes (Paul Wertico and Danny Gottlieb) is not an easy feat in the slightest. He is such an incredible musician.
I sat about 15 feet from him for PMG "The Way Up" tour in 2005. Antonio ran the show, everyone else took their cues from him. He is incredible.
I like how he criticized School of Rock for having an incomplete drum set while using even less of one in the example. 9/10
it was not connected to that scene at all you numbhead. the example was explained just fine with what he had. you're probably the type of guy that demands a full two bass drum 7 piece kit with 20 cymbals as requirement to demonstrate a snare drum roll lol
I really liked the actor playing drums on That Thing You Do. When I saw this vid on my feed, my fingers were crossed that this movie would be featured. Thanks much.
What a great person. Thanks Antonio for your insight. Awesome vid
The Sound Of Metal guy looked liked a real drummer. If he learned that just for the film that's really impressive. He looked very legitimate. It's made me want to see the film now
fantastic!! the day all drummers were waiting for
Excellent analysis bro. Great video!!!
Thank you for getting a drummers drummer, and not some famous dude. Great stuff.
How do you not give this guy a full drum set to explain things?
You can tell someone is a world-class drummer if they can casually say Caravan isn’t really that hard to play.
How else would one say it if not casually?
Well they didn't show him the arrangement from the final scene, which sounds nothing like this scene and includes an insanely amazing and difficult solo
@@igorbednarski8048 and if they did he would probably critique it for the fact that p much none of the audio matches what you see on screen
@@igorbednarski8048 If you watch one of his solos and can't tell it's many times more insane, I don't know what to say.
@@igorbednarski8048 It really wasn't that amazing and difficult. Laypeople are so easily impressed by speed, but the solo did not require an unusually high degree of 4-way coordination, any unusual techniques/challenging stickings, or any kind of polyrhythmic or metric modulation playing that disguise where the beats are.
This guy must be a wonderful teacher. The way he explains each aspect is so clear and reasonable to follow
Excelente explicación de Antonio Sánchez. ❤❤
Sanchez is absolutely phenomenal. A true master
As mexican and a jazz enthusiast, watching Antonio Sánchez here is amazing
He is so respectful and informative
Hey Antonio! It’s great to see you! As I said to you when we met after the 2017 Pat Metheny show at the Beacon Theater in NYC, you are the first drummer, that showed me drummers are actually playing music and notes. Before that, I just thought the drummer kept time… YOU are truly a musician my friend. Keep on playing and my best to Thana, also a talented musician.
Antonio is a monster of a player! So cool!!
Antonio is already one of the all time greats. What a fine musician.
Wow! Antonio Sánchez is amazing. We loved your score for Birdman.
This is awesome. Phenomenal choice in Antonio here.
Que aula maravilhosa! Obrigado por compartilhar seus conhecimentos. Thank you Insider.
One of the greatest drummers alive, no doubt.
YOOOOOOO FINALLY something from Antonio Sanchez ❤
No había visto este inside. El Antonio es la riata tocando.
Hace años fui a una de sus masterclass y fue súper inspiradora.
Always fascinating how quickly musicians can recognize whether someone can really play or not.I remember my guitar teacher could tell as soon as I picked up the guitar that I was a newcomer
He was very, very clear and detailed in his reviews while also giving very nice scores! Great!
Really nice reacting by a grand master!
Actually, this is pretty fun because I saw Antonio Sánchez with his band Migration in Sète (France) and I was kind of surprised about the way he had to hold the sticks, his fulcrum was really near the middle of the sticks!
LEGEND, his music compose for the birdman was just extraordinary.
"Playing on the floor tom is like The White Stripes; that's kind of what they were known for"
11:00 Insider shows a clip of Meg White playing on the crash
I also felt "Whiplash" to be more about power and emotions than about music, and what was going there was all wrong. I'm not a musician but bleeding hands? Good movie, but not about music. Really enjoyed your opinions, Antonio, you were absolutely humble and wise. Thanks for this great production, Insider.
Parts of the drum set are sharp; you can accidentally hit your knuckles on the hi hat, snare, or floor tom if you're not careful. It can get a little bloody if you're jamming out for a while and don't notice you nicked yourself.
@@paulweaver7073 Injuries in the movie are not accidental in nature, hence the whole point in rating the movie with a 1. With that, Antonio makes a great point about the wrong way of teaching and learning to play an instrument. If there're injuries, something's definitively not right there.
Whiplash was never meant to be movie about music. It's a movie about ambition and drive the insanity required to extract and mold raw talent into greatness.
I've seen another UA-cam video that argues that Whiplash is actually a sports movie dressed up as a music movie and I have to say it makes sense. J K Simons' character definitely fits better as a tough coach than a band conductor.
@@MattrickBT Why are you replying me in all my comments? First of all, stop stalking and second, if you associate "greatness" with "abuse", you're 20 years past due a very needed therapy.
favorite episode so far
Great montage! Love this guy, hope he comes back! Could he do Bohemian Rhapsody next time?
No sabía que talento mexicano había compuesto el score de la obra maestra que es Birdman, qué chingón!!!
PD: Está chida tu playera de Ay Guey
More with him, please
I'd love to see him react to the greatest drum solos of all time.
That kid who did the drum solo during Santana's Soul Sacrifice at Woodstock was LEGENDARY!!!!!
Mr. Sanchez is spot on 100% accurate. Good vid.
The actor portraying Tommy Lee in "Pam & Tommy" did an incredibly credible job in his drum scenes. Best actor pretending to drum I've ever seen.
Sebastian Stan.
That's the Winter Soldier Bucky Barnes.😁
Most of that is how it's shot and Tommy Lee's distinctive style. They show almost no actual hits. It's a lot of big arm movements.
@@michaelmorningstar8645 So the audio is actually Tommy Lee's playing?
@@soleybeverage I doubt they could get him. Also, it's not heavy enough and too precise to be him. It's certainly a professional though.
the fact that Drumline wasn't reviewed in this video is CRIMINAL
It's not drum set
@@johnnyhurley7161 true but it would've been cool for him to look at the drumming technique etc.
@@honeymoonavenue4610 That's not real drumming.
@@michaelmorningstar8645 it is real drumming, just not from a traditional drum kit. but getting his insight on it regardless would've been nice cause they review movies all the time in this series even when they're not traditionally the same thing
@@honeymoonavenue4610 False.
Antonio- this is the man!!!
Great video, I learnt so much
Now I realize that this guy is Pat Metheny’s drummer 😳😳😳
God tier player!!!
Whiplash drove me insane. Glad someone else is saying it’s impossible to play a 250bpm swing with your wrist locked. Also, the teacher isn’t a metronome. He doesn’t know where his tempo is. Absurd.
this is why i love the sound of metal. one of the only movies that resonated with me as a drummer
I don't play any instrument, I just enjoy listening to music (rock/metal) and I had no idea who Antonio Sánchez is but I enjoyed this episode so much. He explained everything so well and provided a lot of new information. He also wasn't only like "either 1 or 10" but gave a lot of notes in between.
Antonio is serious drumming
Pity they didn't include Kevin Dillon as drummer John Densmore in The Doors (1991), Also his critique of the School of Rock scene didn't take into account that the Jack Black character was working with whatever drums they had in the classroom, and that he selected the cymbal to keep the music quiet to avoid detection from other members of staff.
I mean quiet because he told him to play really soft, cymbals can probably be the loudest instruments you hear (drums can be super loud when smacked but it's tiring to do that, while cymbals hit even with moderate force will generate an absurd amount of noise)
Antonio Sanchez is such an awesome dude
Good work on getting a real, expert, amazing drummer, AS is the truth!
Sometimes in videos like this, they get on a musician who I've never heard of, or is otherwise not that great. Not the case here; Sanchez is one of the true greats
as someone who went through an architecture school…. whiplash triggered me so hard.
as a drummer and a fellow architecture school survivor, i agree 😂
I appreciate this video and the artful comments made by dirty sanchez. His skill as a drummer is unmatched on the scene of art drumming in today's present audio culture. He's a nice guy and knows how to include the monetary value of other drummers for what the drummers themselves have set out to achieve. I appreciate knowing there are people who can be brilliant and still let the world be different. (edited added on: your shoulders, mr sanchez, appear to look as though you've been stuck in the same repetitious behavior on the drum set for enough years that the imbalance there is clear to me. Good luck with your future endeavors with whatever genre of music styles you choose to play on the drum set.)
Im so happy this video exists
As a drummer, Whiplash always gives me trauma in terms of conducting a drummer.
They used only a snare and cymbal because Antonio was demonstrating how to hold sticks, plus the ride cymbal patterns. It made the up close camera work easier to do.
All of my friend in music collage hates Whiplash. It's the same feeling when a soldier watching Hurt Locker.
Hollywood gets so much wrong about music. When I watched the trailer of the recent Queen-movie, I immediately knew I'm never going to watch it. Too much unrealistic dramatized crap. A photographer reported in an interview on Queen "Had a photo shooting with them for a new release. They were pretty boring, just doing their job professionally and efficiently. No rock star crap attitude at all. They were just a (from a business perspective) hard working band."
@@marcblum5348 Bohemian Rhapsody is not a good movie by any means, it just works because people like the Queen music.
Love love Antonio Sanchez
When Dana Carvey comes up, it's nice how the host gave a little smirk smile, that sense of this new guy coming to love playing the drums and big dreams.
He’s my hero! I fail miserably when trying to play some of his songs 😂
"There goes your hero, watch him as he flows"
Continue tentando Eduardo!
I like relaxed, positive people. Oh and I damn loved Whiplash getting the beat!.
He was awesome. Great guest!
Reminds me to watch the sound of metal again that movie is awesome
YA BABY! SCOTT PILGRIM VS THE WORLD!
That Whiplash rating got me Whiplash.
This was great. Criminally short though. I could listen to him for hours.
Great job. 👍👍