As a hunter I prefer a combo lock over a key lock. The reason being- a key is just one more thing you can forget, gets lost in the field etc. I've seen it happen to friends or family of mine on two separate occasions- forgot the key, or brought the wrong one. As an old hunter told me years ago before i got started "you can forget or misplace a key. BUT if you forget a 3 or 4 digit number that's important to you, you probably got bigger problems than a locked up gun" 😆
@@heydaddy5326 I've never had a problem with combo trigger locks. Like most gun related accessories, it's all about personal preference. I was given advice long ago by a wise hunter, and I follow it. So far, it's worked well for me. To each their own, as long as it's safe.
If the police show up to your home without a warrant and want to see how you are storing your firearms you have every right to tell them No and to leave your property immediately. Unless you have made threats to someone and they are doing a follow up investigation. No warrant signed by judge, go pound sand officer. Best tell your family members as well to say the same if you are not home.
Completed my RPAL course last weekend, just using your videos as a refresher to everytbing I previously learned. Cheers brother! Loving the Yoshi shirt as well😅
Hey there, just wanted to say thank you for the content. I lived in Ontario for 30+ years but now live in the USA. Just got my firearms certificate and will soon buy my first. Love your advocacy in the motherland and please keep it up.
My pleasure! Thanks so much for being a subscriber, it really helps a lot! I'm happy to hear you enjoy the content. Congratulations on the new certificate! What's the first gun going to be? :) I'll keep plugging away here, thanks again kindly for your support. It never goes unnoticed.
@@DawdlingDuff That is a FANTASTIC option! If you're looking for better ergonomics and a more comfortable feel (though slightly heavier) I would highly recommend Archangel's precision stocks for the 10/22. They are great, and offer a lot more functionality than the stock "stocks" from Ruger. :)
Dude you're such a life saver! There's so little on UA-cam when it comes to firearms in Canada. Quick question: can i keep shells in my shotgun while transporting it in a locked gun case in my car? The official government website site doesn't say anything about keeping the shells separated. Please enlighten me bro and save me from any possible legal troubles 🙏
Thanks for the kind words brother :) So, officially, to transport a non restricted firearm, it must be unloaded. That’s actually the only requirement. However, if you want to transport ammunition with your firearm, you can - however, the ammo must not be in the firearm. But it can be in the same locked container, and I do this all the time when going to the range :) If you leave it in your car, you can (like if you’re stepping away from it), but it must be in a locked trunk, or if in the car but not the trunk, out of view, and the car must be locked. Hope this helps :) www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/storing-transporting-and-displaying-firearms
@@canadianoperator though the official site doesn't say anything about keeping the bullets out of the NR gun, so is it just an extra precaution you're suggesting on taking to avoid trouble, or is it actually the law? Also I don't see anything regarding locked cases too, the only rule mentioned for transporting is the firearm being unloaded. Are they just not stating the obvious or is really the ONLY rule and the rear are just precautions? And just wanna thank you bro, you're doing law abiding gun owners a HUGE favour 🙏
@@Drunkfistkid it’s complex. There’s a mix of legislation and regulation, that’s why it’s such a pain to understand it. Mostly it’s to do with the firearms act, 1995. So whatever you need with respect to firearm “rules”- it’s there. But RCMP does have a decent explanation of it if you go on the Canadian firearm program website. Which I believe I might have linked you earlier :) btw feel free to join our discord, it’s a lot easier having a conversation there ;)
I just sent the link to this video to some folks that completed the Canadian Firearms Safety Course this weekend. Your video is an excellent training tool on safe storage. Lots of information is presented efficiently.
Awesome video super direct! I was just under the impression that you always had to store your ammo sperate and locked, so 2 safes essentially in the same room, one with ammo and one with firearms. good to know.
Thank you brother :) Yeah perfectly fine to store your ammo with your gun, in a locked container, just that the gun of course has to be unloaded. Makes things more convenient for sure ;))
Rod Giltaca made a video on the police showing up randomly to do an inspection. Thats not permitted, only a CFO can do that, but generally they must provide reasonable notice.
I watched that video. Many people are commenting that the police can show up anytime, and I agree with you, that's not lawful. There was some kind of hidden regulation where if you are a collector with MANY firearms, they may try doing this, but that's still not legal. Without a warrant or reasonable grounds to believe you or someone near you is in danger, (as per our yellow/red flag laws) they cannot come into your home.
Well detailed video. A couple of things: I agree with your point with regard to a trigger lock, however, if properly installed and pressed very tightly together, it should not move. As you mentioned, the cable lock is a better option. As for keyed locks.....NOPE! They are fine if you have them all keyed alike. However if you have many firearms, then you will have many keys to carry and by the time you select the right key, it's time to pack up and go home (a bit of an exaggeration). I prefer combination locks, personally. They are typically three digits and you can have all your locks coded to the same combination, so you only have to remember three digits. Thus no keys to fumble, no keys to lose nor forget and no keys to worry about keeping on your person at all times. As far as combinations go, I am the only one who has the combination to my locks and my safe. There is absolutely no need to share that combination with a non-licensed member of the household. By giving them the combination to your safe, you are essentially giving an unauthorized person access to your firearms. Again, a well detailed video with allot of great information.
Great videos by the way, very informative. Canadian firearms laws are so convoluted and complicated, even long time firearms owners can get things confused. I'd love to see a video on transport of NR firearms with ammunition. I do a lot of hunting, so in the back country I know your firearm can be with you as long as no ammunition is loaded, but passed that, it's clear as mud 😆
Transportation of non-restricted firearms is much easier than storing them. Don't have to put lock on them as far as I know. Just don't keep then loaded and don't put at front seat. Keep on back seat covered or in trunk.
@@dansu3586you can technically even sling an unloaded rifle over your shoulder. That meets the bare minimum in terms of transport. Of course nobody should ever do that. But yes, out of sight, and if you have to leave them in the car they need to be in the trunk, and if the car has no trunk then it should be in the back of the cab and concealed by something to keep it out of sight and the vehicle must be locked.
I wondered about the combination and licenses. Thanks for the clarification this is a big deal. Talking about locks when my son's were young I used locks on air rifles to teach safe firearm storage . My son's stile my key while in the shower and snuck a co2 pistol out. Had that been a licensed firearm and something happened or he got caught we'd both be charged.
The theory is that if you can’t get to the firearms it doesn’t matter where the ammo is. If you have your firearms in the open, then you can’t store ammo nearby because that ammo is within easy reach of that firearm.
if your gunbag is soft and zippered this can easily be opened with a pen. I would not classify this as "locked". Hard case is different. That soft bag can be opped open in less than a second. Put a trigger lock on the gun in a soft bag.
@@panigALI1199sAnything can be opened quickly given enough time and expertise. The cheap wafer locks on a hard case can be forced or picked in a mater of seconds. Or just broken. No lock is infallible. As long as either the action of the firearm or the container is locked, it’s enough to satisfy the requirement for storage.
my first gun was an sks and i got a cable lock to feed through the drop box. this felt unsafe to me and replaced with a trigger lock my next trip into town. they can be cut, i don't like that.
@@alaricbarber3680 I think it's also case by case. Although, I prefer cable locks, something I noticed with my Bullpup FD-12 is that the whole bolt mechanism can still slide 99% if not 100% forward when the cable lock is routed through the action and out the magazine well - making it ineffective. I've opted for a trigger lock on this specific SG as well.
The magazines can be loaded with ammunition but not inside of the actual magwell when inside a proper gun safe with restricted and or non-restricted guns in same gun safe. For transportation, you can have loaded magazines as long as not in the actual magwell but in same Pelican case and or Vodoo Tactical bag, etc. Or in separate locked pocket or separate locked ammo can For restricted and non restricted guns. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm curious what answers I'll get in here. This is for Canada by the way.
Would you lock your bicycle with that cable lock? They come free with the guns, if they are that cheap and better than bike locks I would wonder why we don't use them on bikes. On the above and beyond thing. I have bolts in separate locations, trigger locks, and I like those cable locks as well because someone can't just come along and bypass the trigger lock by removing the stock. I also have two good cabinets, but nowhere to keep them were they don't get wet in a flood, so I have to be careful what goes into them.
I don't have a bike. But if I did, then sure I would :) They're not meant to be a failsafe, like any other type of lock. Simply a deterrent or an inconvenience which might stall someone just long enough. Ultimately, if anyone wants to bypass any one of these locks, it's easy to do.
Great video.... I got my licence last year and going to buy my first rifle. Will get the cable lock for the rifle and put on my personal lock for the case. I have never kept my keys close to me. They have always hung up for easy access by the kitchen. Maybe I am better off with the combination lock. Anyway thanks for the refresher. Glad you put this on.. I am going to pick up a Savage XP 30 06. From the reviews it appears to be a great gun for newbies...
Hi, my concern is, what are the factors to store in the cabinet. 1. does the locker is to be bolted to wall or ground? 2. Can i store in wooden cabinet if yes what are the things I should take care of?
For that I'd recommend contacting the Canadian Firearms Program directly. You can do so via their website or phone number (found on their website.) If I can generalize, the regulation states that the cabinet "must not be easily broken open or into". Beyond that if you have specific questions like "does it have to be bolted to the floor" - I would say no, but then again, I didn't write the regulation and you should probably be asking those very specific questions of the authority that regulates firearms.
Storing a percussion sidelock muzzle loader is similar in that you can remove the nipple from the lock. Also removing the flint in the case of a flintlock. In either case both firearms are rendered inoperable.
So, I've inherited a firearm (CFSC this weekend!) and I'm looking to store it without making a big investment yet. I have a lockable, heavy plywood chest in a back room that I plan to store the bolt and ammunition in, then store the firearm in another room with a cable lock. Am I correct that the cable lock is extra, and would it be okay to store the firearm in the same room as the locked chest? Also, if I've removed and secured the bolt, can I display the firearm? From a practical standpoint it's been secured against misuse, but not theft, and keeping your guns out of the wrong hands is one of the primary responsibilities of a gun owner, so I'm not sure if the CFO would be happy about an unsecured firearm even if it's been disabled.
@@canadianoperator Thanks. What I'm getting is that for storage that would be combining two valid methods, but if it's "displayed" then the cable lock is mandatory and disabling it by locking up the bolt is extra. I'm not certain as to what the difference is between display and storage but I'm pretty sure I can go by common sense there. I just feel like, with our gun laws, it's always best to double check 'common sense.'
So, "officially" RCMP states "remove the bolt", but doesn't state where to put it: www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/storing-transporting-and-displaying-firearms ideally the best thing to do would be to put it in a non-descript, inconspicuous place and as far away from the firearm as possible. As to where, well, that's up to you :) I feel like if you just use common sense here and don't leave it in the open you should be fine. That said, I still prefer storing my firearms in a cabinet or safe.
Not at all! A decent cable or trigger lock will do! If that's all you're doing though it's a good idea to store your ammo in a different place than your firearm. If you want to store your firearm WITH ammunition, you can as long as its not loaded. But in that case you'll need a container, like a closet, cabinet, case or bag - and that has to be locked. Hope that helped.
You wouldn’t need trigger locks if you store your firearms in a vault. Leaving your keys laying around means someone could easily grab them and access your firearms, potentially landing you a careless storage charge and losing your license.
@canadianoperator but the suggestion was using the combination trigger locks to bypass the requirement to leave the keys duct tapes to ones rear end while they sleep. The suggestion is asking if it may be safer than simple standalone combo locks with no vault. Keys are for vault only not trigger locks.
For non restricted that would be fine, yeah :) I have a side saddle on mine and often put a few rounds there and the others in a box or ammo bag that sits inside the locked case with the shotgun. The important thing is ensuring your shotgun is unloaded and the case is locked. If you achieve that you can absolutely toss your ammo in with Your gun. Of course you could go above and beyond and put your ammo in a separate locked ammo container if you feel like being a little more cautious, but you don’t have to.
@@mdarks4117 yeah any lock will do. Locked is locked when it comes to the law :P Though that would of course change with restricted where you’d also need a trigger lock in addition to being in a locked container.
That depends on whether it is physically able to chamber a round (a shell in this case) and fire it. If it still can, then it wouldn't be considered inop. So to be safe, you can do one of the following: Store it in a safe, and then it doesn't matter because it's in a locked container. Store it anywhere in your home (even under your pillow) but put a locking device like a trigger or cable lock through the trigged guard or action, respectively. Store it the same way as before, but this time remove the bolt. I'm not sure of the context behind the question, but I hope this helps.
So just to be clear. If you have both restricted and non restricted firearms stored in a safe-- the only difference is that the restricted one would require a lock on it?
In a safe, no. A cabinet or other locked container, yes. That and other differences. Like, restricted can only be taken to a range, and, need an ATT to take anywhere else. They also need to be double locked during transport.
Hey great video! I had a few questions. 1) when transporting a gun in a vehicle, assuming it is unloaded and you are not carrying ammo in the same bag, does it have to be locked? If ammo is being carried separate do they have to be stored a certain way? 2) when storing a firearm at home, in a locked safe, can ammo be stored on the gun? For example shells on a shell carrier on the stock of a shotgun, or extra magazine compartment on a rifle Thanks again for a very informative video
@@coolguy4306 1)no, but has to be enclosed on all sides(in a case) after sunset. Ammunition has to be seperate, ie not in the case with the gun. 2)I wouldn't but I don't think it's illegal.
Thanks! No, it does not need to be locked. Though, that’s always a good idea (to lock it in some way). Yes, when storing a firearm at home in a safe you can store ammo with it but the gun must remain unloaded (such that nothing can be easily discharged). A shell carrier or equivalent should be fine as long as nothing can be discharged from it.
That’s not quite accurate. The only restriction to transporting a firearm is that it’s unloaded. That is the absolute minimum the law asks for. What you’re talking about is storing the firearm in a vehicle. In which case the firearm needs to be locked in the trunk. And if the vehicle doesn’t have a trunk it needs to be somewhere else in the car, out of sight, and the vehicle must be locked.
My understanding is ammunition CAN be stored in magazines, but the magazine cannot be loaded in the gun, so a combo trigger locked gun under your bed next to magazines loaded with rounds while the magazine itself is not loaded in the gun is acceptable. This is the minimum safety requirement, however it is advised to put 2 locks between the gun and ammo to be extra safe such as a trigger lock and a lock on an ammo box, or the ammo in another room with a lock, or even if the ammo is unlocked to create a significant time delay between accessing the locked firearm and locating ammo. Bags can be cut easily and zippers can be popped open with a pen easily, therefore it is not likely a lock on a softbag with unlocked ammo and an unlocked gun inside will be acceptable.
That is not acceptable. The reason for that is it can be argued that the firearm is within easy access of ammunition. If you want to store the firearm with ammunition (but unloaded) it must be stored together in a locked container. If you keep a firearm unloaded but locked under your bed, it cannot be within easy access to ammunition.
@@canadianoperator This is not correct. Runkle did a video on this while back. You can store a restricted firearm, if it is itself locked, in a locked container, together with ammunition or a loaded magazine, for as long as the magazine is not inserted into the firearm.
@@milanvrekic1209this is literally exactly what I said. Where did I say this is not ok? Also this video is about non restricted firearms. So I’m really not sure what you’re talking about here as you didn’t reference what you think is not correct.
That's GREAT to hear! It varies, but it can be as little as 4-6 months, or more. It also depends on what you count as "the process" whether that's everything, or just from the time you apply. You'll need to get your course done (CFSC) and pass with 80% or above in both practical and written, then wait a few weeks for your course materials to come proving you passed it. You then mail that and your completed app to RCMP (or you can now do it online) and there's a mandatory month long waiting period for your first license. Beyond that it depends how busy they are. And that can take anywhere from a couple months to several. I hope this helps :)
@@daddysage4145 oooof that is a loaded question haha. Any gun is just as good as the other but it depends on a lot. Join our Discord and we’ll talk about it. Might be a very long answer here otherwise. :)
@@daddysage4145hey, I just got my PAL, and it didn't take more than 6 weeks. If it's your first time applying for your PAL, it's all done online now as opposed to the old paper way. Impossible to screw it up. It's easy. I applied for my PAL on 9/11 and received it in the mail around Halloween. Go get it! As for first gun....I ended up buying 4 guns on my first trip to.the store lol but I would suggest a .22lr caliber to get you started/familiar with guns in general, then when you inevitably get the itch, buy one of each category. Pump shotgun, semi auto rifle, bolt action rifle, etc.
I actually prefer cable locks these days and I use the usual ones available at most gun shops. Forgot the name now but they’re available for about $10-$15.
How about a Semi Auto Shotgun ? Can I have the magazine tube loaded with a trigger lock on the gun and stored in a safe ?? The Gun needs to be unloaded at all times ??
It MUST be unloaded. Just because the tubular magazine on a shotgun is not detachable, it doesn’t make it any different than having a loaded detachable magazine in a rifle. If it’s a non restricted shotgun, it’s fine without a trigger lock if it’s inside a safe, vault, cabinet or locker as long as that storage is not easily broken open or into. You may be able to get away with a side saddle, because part of the definition of “loaded” is that a cartridge can be chambered. They cannot be chambered from a side saddle, but I’d still advise against storing ammunition and firearms in the same place (even though it’s technically legal). I understand why you asked the question, and I empathize with you with respect to self defence. But this is the way our laws are.
@@MrLew1965 I couldn’t agree more with you. We are the most law abiding demographic in this country. And he treats us worse than criminals. Remember brother, we have the power to make changes. We need to keep fighting for our rights in the interim, and when the election comes, we must make our voices heard. This is the only way we can make changes. Thanks very much for watching :)
I have a question....my main address of residence is with my mother at her house but i also rent a house at another location( For traveling work purposes) can i store my fire arms at either location ?
You can, but you might have to be more careful storing restricted firearms as those need to be registered. So you’d need to make sure you store them at the address they’re registered at (your address on file with RCMP)
You can do that, but it wouldn’t really make any sense as a pertains to the law, because anybody who had access to the gun would also have access to the bolt. This only works, in a legal capacity, if you store the bolt elsewhere in a locked container or store the firearm in a locked container, so that the two cannot be combined.
@@canadianoperator appreciate the answer. i forgot to say the bolt removed and placed in the gun case with the gun, while the case is locked with a locking device. if it's legal to do so
@@FBI-ht4wy no problem. The minimum for a non-restricted firearm is that if you have ammunition in the case, the case needs to be locked. If you don’t have ammunition in the case, then the case can be locked or instead, you can put a locking device on the firearm itself. Removing the bolt is extra and not necessary. I only remove the bolt in my bolt guns because I don’t want to put too much pressure on the top half of the case when closed.
Just wanted to know, if you have a safe, and you have ammunition and firearms in the safe, and some of your firearms have magazines which aren’t attached to the firearm but on a shelf loaded is that legal? So for example if I have the S&W FPC and the back rack can hold two magazines and those two magazines are loaded but not connected to the chamber or action is that legally ok?
Ammo in magazines is perfectly fine in a safe, even if the firearms are in the safe too. But they cannot be loaded into the firearm from where they can be discharged, or be in a part of the gun where they can be loaded into the chamber.
It’s unfortunate that Canada has such a tyrannical government. I store my firearms all over. In safes…in nightstands drawer, in vehicles. Where I might need them I could easily get to them. (No children in the house). But an unloaded firearm is like a soft rock. Fortunately for us we can use firearms for personal protection and prevent things like home invasions.
@@x3dominator28Indeed our government needs to change. And while I’m absolutely for self defence as a use for firearms, I don’t think they should be stored loaded or outside of a safe. Not sure about you, but for me I can get to my shotgun within seconds and load it in a few more. But I know that nobody can use that firearm against me because it’s properly stored. There’s a lot of potential for negligent discharge or other things to go wrong.
@Chris I believe you left a comment but it may have either been deleted or removed... Nevertheless I wanted to answer the question you had in that comment, asking whether it's okay to have cartridges in a magazine, and then have that magazine locked in together with your firearm so long as it's not loaded. And yes, technically that's okay, as long as the firearm isn't able to discharge anything, it's fine. That means in a locked bag, case, closet or safe for example, you can store the firearm, and the ammunition, even if it's in a magazine, in the same compartment. The same way that it would be technically legal to store a loaded magazine in the butt stock of a Ruger PC carbine (because it cannot be discharged from there) or even shot shells in the side saddle of a shotgun. The reason I am against this practice, despite the fact that it's not necessarily illegal, is that it puts ammunition directly in close proximity of the firearm. If someone was able to get a hold of that firearm some how, the loaded magazine was in the same compartment, if that person knew how to load and cock the firearm, they could discharge it. That would mean a very bad day for whoever owned the firearm. I always like to go above and beyond what the law says. I always store and lock my ammunition away separately from the firearms. And yes, when I am planning to go to the range, I do preload my magazines with cartridges, but I leave those magazines in the compartment where my ammunition is, AWAY from my firearms. The day of the range day I take those mags out and throw them in the case alongside my firearm and other ammo, then lock the case, and I'm on my way. Hope that answers your question :)
Ooh, that's freaky; I just checked and can, indeed, confirm that my comment had disappeared o.o Thanks for the clarification, friend!~ P.S. I do enjoy myself a good Runkle watch every now and then too; that one concerning house/room-mates definitely came-up as well!~
I think it may either have been "moderated"-out of the comments section OR that it was auto-removed because I included a link - that being the actual Canadian gov website (which is weird)
@@x_jaydn I got you :) Yeah Ian is a solid dude :) Definitely made me think and talk to my wife about licensing. She enjoyed coming out with me and doing some shooting here and there so I’m really trying to get her to get a license as well :)
@@x_jaydn actually I think that’s exactly what happened. In order to keep the comments clean I do remember setting up something that modded comments with links. The weird thing is though it should have held it for approval instead of just outright removed it. Because i definitely would have approved it :) If you’d post the link in a DM or any of our public channels on Discord I can definitely make a pinned comment out of it here :)
I use to use trigger locks but now when I'm finished shooting I remove the bolt and wrap it in a cloth and store in my rifle case. 99% safe right after shooting :)
Trigger locks you mean? So, while I agree that it’s 100% safe on its own (such that you won’t have a ND or AD) I don’t think it’s 100% safe from people, because you can’t ever be 100% safe from people :) Consider if someone got their hands on it and put the bolt back in. They’d have a functional firearm. While the chances of that are quite low I’d still prefer not to take that chance personally. If I were to do that, I’d store the bolt in a separate, locked location. But my favourite way is using a cable lock through the action and magwell because not only are you stopping the action from working, but you’re also preventing magazines from even being inserted.
I do find many of our laws kinda silly, and a bit redundant at times. However, I personally like to try to go a little above and beyond. Not because I feel like I'm expected to, but to have just one extra layer of safety, and also to be a good example to those who visit my home and may have apprehensions about firearm safety. Not to say I am trying to impress them, per se :P But, to show them the kind of things they won't see watching liberal media, and hopefully educate them a little regardless of their stance on firearms. :)
@@canadianoperator I get that, problem is that it becomes the norm and people like cops who should know better end up charging because they think it's law. I can't tell you how many times I've talked to even PAL instructors who think it's LAW. I show them Rod's videos on the subject and they're dumbfounded.
@@georgepsofimis1834 I feel you brother. I’ve had similar frustrations with people. That’s why I think it’s important to try to educate folks as much as possible. The more people know the less likely they are to fuck up ;) And at the very least, even if it’s not your jam, it doesn’t hurt to understand more about a subject. Especially if it’s a point of contention and the government is trying to lie to you about it. :)
Im a little confused. You said if someone can open the gun cabinet/safe they can be arrested for having access to the firearms. Hows is that any different than me leaving it under a bed or a closet? Or is it because you don't technically need a trigger/cable lock if a non restricted firearm is stored in a cabinet?
Yes, if they are unlicensed. The idea would be the same if they are able to open a combination lock sealing a gun inside a gun bag. Unlicensed people should not have access to firearms, access in this case meaning having access to a firearm they can use. In the case of a locked gun bag or cabinet, they don’t have access to it unless they can open the look legitimately.
You will be arrested as well for careless storage. They key is - not to allow police inside. Only CFO can check how you store you guns. And he is to busy to go to your home.
@@dansu3586Good point. I’ll add to it - politely but firmly decline to even speak to police. There is no reason you should be giving them reasons to ask questions other than “how are you?”
You just never wanna be caught with your pants down leaving your keys behind and having someone else being able to access your stuff. If you can always avoid that, that would be ideal.
TIP - You dry-fired several times and that is hard on the firing pin, Now I do not like to leave the tension on the spring when the bolt is close so what I do is slide the bolt forward and while hanging on to the bolt handle, I pull the trigger and lower the handle slowly to the bolt closed position and that takes off the spring tension without dry-firing.
@@mikebaker2840 Yes, people really misunderstand dry firing. Mike is correct, at least when I was in the military we dry fired without the need for snap caps or dummy rounds. I still have those rounds but use them because they are good for testing the action, loading and ejection.
This was a good refresher for me. I actually go one further and use the cable lock on my bolt action even when it's in the gun cabinet. I have the bolt and the ammunition elsewhere.
This is frustrating. Canadian laws are waaaaaaay too safe. Then you go 'above and beyond' and it blurs the laws that are already too strict. This is pure silliness.
It really is pretty crazy. I feel that the law makers don’t really understand how things currently are. And the only reason they want to make things more strict is to invoke a public perception that they’re doing something about “public safety”. Except, we are not the safety risk here.
Great video young fella. Responsibly is the key word on safety it's not just protecting your firearms but also protecting inquisitive grandchildren visiting too. 74+🍁 hunter Yorkshire expat
They don’t need to be locked, but they need to not be within easy access of firearms. They can be locked in the same container as a firearm, but not loaded in the firearm. Or they can be stored elsewhere, away from firearms.
That's actually a great idea. Although, I won't be opening my door to them anytime soon. If anything, I'll slide it out of the mail slot so they can have a read :)
@canadianoperator Can you store magazines with ammunition in them in a carrying case with your rifle locked when you’re on your way to the range or going hunting?🔒 PS the magazines are Not in the gun they’re separate. I have a lot of magazines and they take a long time to load them all to go to the range. Is it OK to load them at home and then transport them in the same case, but not in the gun?
I'm going thru the process of getting my PAL now, booking the course, etc. I'm interested in the Tikka brand, thinking a 6.5 PRC or a 270 Winchester. I live alone in an apt & security building. My intention is that none of my neighbors will know I have a firearm (I'm always going back & forth with guitars), so no great risk of theft. The fewer people who know I have a rifle, the better. It's not something I'm embarrassed about, it's the addicts who live in my city, who looted my car & fenced my new radar detector, dashcam, etc. My own fault for leaving that stuff in the car, I know... ....That said... Couple of things: 1. How tough is it to remove the barrel from the rifle? I assume brand & bolt action type are important, but my point is, when transporting my rifle, I want it to fit into a guitar case. (Soft cases, a tweed Strat case, etc). I have many neighbors who are senior citizens, they all know me to have guitars (no, I'm not loud!), and I'd like to keep my ownership as discrete as possible. Do rifles break down easily so they can be transported, then re-assembled at the destination, without putting undue wear on the rifle's components? (and bonus question, does this affect a dialed-in scope? removing/reinstalling it, etc). 2. I have a security camera that's motion detecting in my apartment, since I've got I'd say $15k worth of guitars. I'm buying an AirTag (or similar) to put in my best guitar. Have any of you gun owners used Air Tags or other tracking tech to hide inside your rifles somehow? Is there space for one? If someone took my rifle, I want to be alerted immediately. It's not just to protect myself, obviously, and unlike stolen cars, police & the border authority act very quickly to recover/track stolen firearms. Any of you use tech/tracking to protect your guns? I don't want a gun safe, I just want my gun 'safe'. Thanks, all!
There are some rifles that break down easily. Like for example, the Ruger PCC. They are made for the barrel to come off easily, and sometimes even attach to the stock to fit comfortably in whatever transportation solution you’ve got. That said, for a rifle that doesn’t have that option, I would never recommend removing the barrel every time you want to transport it. For one it’s way too much work and you’ll have to carry additional tools with you to do so. Secondly, the only time I’d want to change a barrel is if I’m upgrading. Otherwise I don’t touch the barrel whatsoever. You don’t want to cause any unnecessary wear to your firearm. And lastly this will ABSOLUTELY affect your accuracy. Less so if your scope is mounted forward of the breaking point between barrel and receiver. However, it will definitely affect accuracy and you very well may have to dial in your optic again. While it’s probably not going to cause issues putting a firearm in a guitar case for transport, you still need to ensure that you are following all federal laws when doing so. As for AirTags, yes I use them all the time. I own two drone systems and about 20k worth of camera equipment that I keep in a case. That case and each of my other bags (including my drones) each have an air tag. It’s useful in case they are stolen. But for me also useful when I’ve forgotten where in the house they are :) Hope that helps answer your questions.
@@canadianoperator Hey thanks a lot, appreciate your enduring that detailed list. I have options of course, I can carry a proper, locking gun case with a handle & most people wouldn't question that. I'm not talking about concealment per se, just taking it to my car & back inside type of thing. I'm still learning the laws - some of them are strange regarding where ammo can be stored if the gun is locked, where it can't go when the gun is operational & unlocked, what can go into a locked case, where it goes when you take it OUT of the case, etc. I do have a couple of questions about transport, but don't worry about it if you're short on time. Every answer I get inspires another question, so don't encourage the boy, lol! 1. If I wanted to drive from Nova Scotia to Ontario for a hunting course or just to go shooting with friends, as I understand it, it's legal to have a properly stored firearm (non-restricted, PAL license only) in my car trunk, and since the PAL is federal, I can transport my rifle between provinces with no issues. What about motels/hotels? If there's a secure parking lot or my car's just outside my motel room, is it lawful to leave my firearm in the car, or do I have to keep the firearm in the room? What if I only took the rifle in, but left the bolt & ammo in the car? 2. Are these scenarios legal? Always PROVE'ing he rifle before transport, of course. I understand "out of site & can't be loaded or fired" is the idea? a) Rifle bolt & ammo in a small, locked case made for storing ammo, inside a zipped backback, stored in my car out of sight or in the trunk. Rifle with bolt removed & breech-cable-locked, fully concealed in an unlocked case (like a guitar case, maybe padded nylon?), in the same trunk. b) Same scenario as above but the rifle's bolt is intact. Still breech cable-locked in a similar case. I'm not too cheap to get a proper hard-shell case, I'm just wondering how casual I can keep it. I'd rather people think it's a guitar, unless a LEO asks. Appreciate the help, thank you!
@@OhGawdHesGotAGun to get the answers to your questions, in short, I would consult the RCMP firearm program website as it details in summary how to store and transport non restricted firearms. If you need further clarification on specific laws, I’d highly recommend consulting a legal professional with experience in the firearms act. I believe I did link to some of those resources in the video description. Thanks :)
Look for rifles which have "take-down" feature or for shotgun. Many shotguns can be disassembled and assembled easy. As for airtags, some rifles with plastic stocks might have available space/compartments where airtag can be placed.
@@dansu3586 I did, and thank you. Learning a lot about takedown rifles, and you're right, lots of shotguns that fold/collapse. Sako S20 Hunter seems to be the best hunting rifle that has 'takedown' ability - it's got a great frame. I was thinking of putting a Samsung Tag2 in the mag since the mag snaps into the rifle without jutting out too far - or even putting a dummy round in the mag on top of the tag. I'll figure something out. Thank you!
Awsome video, you talk too fast, what’s the rush? Beside that, awesome, good information also for someone who is thinking to obtain fire arm for hunting or not. I wish you could cover locks on different fire arms with different loading mechanism and talk and demonstrate about the best vs. worst locks. I’m sure there is.
Thanks! Appreciate the feedback. I can try to work on that but honestly it just happens without me even thinking about it. Good suggestion too, may consider that in a future video :) cheers :)
@@herphermits the regulation states it must be locked in a container that’s not easily broken into, so as long as you have a way of locking it that meets the regulation, you should be fine. I’ve done this with my Tavor when I still used the soft case that came with it for transport and storage (before I had my safe). The zippers had metal loops for a lock, and that’s what I used. Perfectly fine.
On my .22 Ithaca lever gun, and others, I wrap a cable lock through the lever and around the stock multiple times so the lever will not operate. I also have piece of chain in a soft rubber hose and padlock. I do not like levers left open during transport. Legal.
I certainly hope those are not your real keys. We can decode them from pictures and cut a new copy just by seeing it at oblique angles, let alone square on here. I see some perfect images to decode a schlage key(usually house), and a slider lock key, which will likely be a higher end padlock, safe, or bike lock (here in north america, its more common to be a house key in europe) When you say nobody has access to your keys, the fact they are on display (even on your belt!), means they can be copied. This *may* be fine in the eyes of the law, but, for going above and beyond, tuck those keys into your pocket and don't show them on camera. (I use an extra keyring on my carabiner to extend the keys low enough to tuck into the pocket while being on my belt loop for ease of access) We can absolutely take a phone picture of your belt at a bar/store and decode keys. overlay images exist all over the internet for decoding from a photo with some basic photo editing skills to un-skew and rotate the image, because the cut depths are standardized. I would also argue it really should not be permitted by law to let the keys be seen by other people if the intent of the law is to secure the device its locking. This is something any child with a cellphone can do if they watch a few videos on youtube, allowing a complete bypass of the locks, be it with an officially cut one, or making one with a hand file/dremel. Otherwise, thanks for educating people on our local laws!
Thanks for your in depth analysis :) I hadn’t really considered this, and the suggestion to use a separate key ring is a great one. Ultimately there’s a lot of things that are supposed to keep us safe that don’t work as we think they do. This may be one of them. The RCMP calling only 10% of PAL applicants’ references is another, and I am sure there are millions more. The idea isn’t necessarily to bar or prohibit access but merely to delay. As you very well pointed out - if someone is driven and determined enough to do something, you can bet they’re going to find a way to do it.
Yep. I do this often when getting ready for a range day. As long as the firearm is unloaded, ammunition can be stored in the same locked container/cabinet and there is no specificity about it having to be outside of a magazine. This is the same for both storage and transport. Though for storage usually I store them separately.
@@canadianoperator Thank you. Someone told me the amo must not be "easily accessable " which means it can't be in rhe same case and magazine not loaded...
@@dsmtsi easily accessible meaning not locked up. For example, on a shelf, in a closet, etc. If it’s locked up separately, or locked in a room, cabinet or receptacle that cannot be easily broken open or into, or a room, vault or safe adapter or designed specifically for the safe storage of firearms, it can be in the same place as the firearm provided the firearm is not loaded.
Are there /do they do checkups for storage at your home, ect? And if so how is that process? was thinking of it for restricted but also have dog with ptsd frm past owners, break ins ect and don’t want to personally risk them being allowed to just walk in unannounced or going around if makes sense as alot of shooting peoples dogs in their own homes ect, only reason I haven’t tried to get one but not sure how even works to be 💯 don’t like the thought of the extra stress if it’s unannounced visits /no warrant searches ect, thanks!
No, they'd need a warrant for that. However I have heard stories of there being checks on people who own many guns (I mean, THOUSANDS of guns) where they'd come and just ask you for permission to have a look. Again, you could say no, and they could get a warrant. But the majority of people probably wouldn't have issue especially when they're not breaking the law. There is also the matter of our red and yellow flag laws. In that case they would not need a warrant, and they could come and check at their discretion to alleviate any suspicion of wrong doing based on a complaint received. I hope this helps, but for a much better explanation I'd recommend a criminal law lawyer :)
What the home storage laws should be are that if a licensed firearms owner is in the house, trigger locks should not be required. When the house is left without a licensed firearms owner present, trigger locks then should be required. Separating the bolt and breaking apart the firearm then storing the parts in different areas is redundant
That’s… not the requirement though. Taking out the bolt is a secondary way of storing a firearm if you can’t do it in the traditional way of having a firearm in a locked container. If you can do that there’s really no reason to remove the bolt, unless you’re displaying it.
guns scare me. naturally i decided to educate myself on the subject. my rifles have trigger locks, pulled bolts and kept in a safe. ammo is in another safe. i don't go to such extremes because it's the law but what i feel needs to be done to be comfortable owning such scary things. before you jump down my throat for calling guns "scary" i also don't like heights yet find roller-coaster fun. there is no shame in having fear, just not being able to control it.
One needs not fear firearms, but respect them. What is worth fearing is those who have firearms, but neither the knowledge nor discipline to use them safely.
@@canadianoperator please hear me on this. as i said "naturally i decided to educate myself" please don't disregard people fear in firearms. the "fear the bad man not the gun" is not working to save our rights, just be accepting of the fact people have fear. fear can be irrational but it's no less real. if you can do this more will do as i did and educate themselves. i enjoy your channel and please keep up the good work.
@@alaricbarber3680 I think you’re taking what I’m saying a bit too literally. I’m not invalidating your fear. But at the same time, I don’t believe there’s much merit in being afraid of an inanimate object. The object can’t do any good or harm without being acted on. This in fact is WHY firearms are stigmatized in our country. Because they are depicted as horrible killing machines in wars, movies and the news, and people assume things about them based on that information, without any lived experience. Thanks for watching, and you do you. Don’t worry about how other people feel or what they tell you. :)
@@hilcho So it's okay for police to demand to see a gun UA-camr's gun collection because they brought it on themselves by being a gun UA-camr? You sure are making a lot of assumptions about something you have little to no experience with.
@@TheTimeweaver So sorry brother, here's a new one: discord.gg/RptujAypX3 I didn't know that Discord arbitrarily limits the links to 7 days before they expire. This one should never expire. I will update all my videos.
I’ve built a few banks over the decades. Even though there is minimal cash on site, the amount of security measures that are used, makes them so risky to break to break into, that criminals don’t even consider trying to break into them anymore. The vaults are placed on a thickened portion of the building’s concrete slab. 3’ thick with three layers of 18 M rebar that is layed out to a 6” grid. The vaults themselves are modular in design with 20” thick sections, made from concrete that is reinforced with tungsten carbide. The sections have steel frames that are welded/ bolted together. The door has glass packs that can shatter if bumped too hard, let alone drilled into. If those glass packs break, the door locks permanently. The only way in, is to use a 24” diamond hole saw and about 8 hours to cut through one of the panels. The vents of the building have special burglar bars installed and all of the walls of the building are sheathed in fire rated plywood and expanded metal. So if you are going to go above and beyond what is legally required, then anything less than what is described above, is a waste of time and resources.
For one thing, that is an incredibly elaborate and detailed way of describing how one might break into a bank by means if literally listing the steps in which it's made, lol. Secondly, the lengths to which someone wants to go to in securing their firearms is up to them, and nobody else. And if someone wants to go above and beyond, but not to the length of building a bank, then by all means, that person should be able to do what they want as long as they're not breaking the law.
@@canadianoperator claiming to be an operator implies your served in a special forces unit. You should consider changing your channel name would hate to be associated with a stolen valour situation.
First of all, they're firearms, not weapons. Secondly, read the RCMP website. You can keep a restricted firearm in a container, case or cabinet as long as it has a secure locking device. If it's in a vault, safe or locked room adapted for the purpose of storing firearms, it doesn't need a secure locking device. In both cases it's fine to store ammunition in the same locked environment as the firearm without having to lock it up separately, especially not in its own safe.
I’m in the middle of building a locked vault room in my locked garage that I’ll be able to hang some of my rifles on the wall, because the room will be “locked, secured and not easily broken into”. Nothing is impossible to get into given enough time and equipment, so it’s going to meet the safe storage requirements of our illustrious government…..😉👍🏻👍🏻
First of all, it's not a weapon. It's a firearm. And to answer your question, everything I do is to educate, illustrate or show a point that I am making.
@@jamesready5No. it doesn’t work like that. Laying a charge involves so much more. They aren’t going to waste their time on Mickey Mouse bs like this unless it’s part of a much bigger and much more serious event that would constitute a search, arrest, or both. I’ve worked in our criminal justice system for several years and I have never seen a stand-alone charge alleging someone didn’t store a firearm properly. It just doesn’t happen unless its something discovered as part of a much bigger issue. Cops don’t have time for that here. You can order a pizza from the other side of the city that would get to you faster than a police officer. The only likely exception is a serious violent crime. Besides that, they can’t be bothered.
Then how do i defend myself from an intruder when im living out in the boonies and the closest police is 30minutes away? I want a video about how to pretend you’re following the law
I don't think that police can just show up at your door and do a "courtesy check" how you store your firearms. Even if they do, don't let them in as they have no rights to do it. Also keeping ammo and magazines in same bag as firearms is not good advice. Many ranges have specific rules about keeping ammo and magazines separately when coming into range. Having combination lock is better than lock with a key, at least for me.
You’re right about not letting police in. But on this channel we don’t focus on the rules at any of the hundreds of ranges out there. We focus on the law. And having loaded magazines in the same locked container as a firearm is perfectly legal. If that’s not ok at a range, they are a private business and can set whatever rules they want. As far as the law is concerned though, it doesn’t care about rules. It cares about legislation and regulation.
Just something to remember. All these laws were put in place so a spouse doesn't have instant access to a fire to use in the heat of the moment. And to prevent self defense use for those pesky criminals that want to hurt you and your loved ones and take all of your possessions. Clay
The first part I can understand. Having firearms locked up is generally a good thing. But I can’t disagree more with the latter point. Criminals don’t follow or obey laws. And those same laws that try to prevent them from “defending” themselves when police break down the door are also the same laws that make it harder for a legal gun owner to protect from that criminal breaking down the door. The fact is that we NEED self defence laws, such as castle doctrine or stand your ground, as they have in the USA. It will benefit those looking to protect their loved ones - and as with all laws, have no impact whatsoever on the criminals that don’t follow them anyway. Criminals are using prohibited, automatic firearms with large capacity magazines. Given someone is breaking into my home with one of those, I want to at least rest easy knowing I’ll have a fighting chance with my semi auto that has only 5 rounds. I hope that puts things into perspective.
It’s rather simple to store legally yet access quickly and make ready in an emergency. Just takes money for the proper set-up and some creativity. I can access a legally stored unloaded pistol and ammo and make ready in under 5 seconds. Just takes practice and practice makes perfect.
@@ianrobertson3419Maybe but the reality is our country is going down the crapper and crime is getting worse. I have a wife and 4 young boys to protect, so I'd rather err on the side of caution.
Most of my firearms are break-open, breech-fed, guns and rifles. Most have removable locks, but some have fixed locks. Canada is execrably statist and decadent. It's anti-weapon and anti-hunting. I left Canada when I turned 18 years old. I hunt dangerous game. Now, there's a prohibition of stopping calibres. Being a hunter is my civilisational definition. I'll renounce my Canadian citizenship.
if all gun owners took the course they should know how to store firearms. this is for the new guy who doesn't have a pal. so it's useless to me and all the Pal. holders .
They should. But they are human, and humans forget, make mistakes, have selective memories and other faults. Just because you are all knowing and don't require this information, doesn't mean others don't. And I don't think it's fair that you speak for them. There are many people in the comments, in our Discord, and via e-mail who let me know just how valuable this information was to them, so you're welcome to have your opinion - but it's only your own.
Whenever I say "trigger guard" I probably mean "trigger lock" ;) I'm getting old lol.
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As a hunter I prefer a combo lock over a key lock. The reason being- a key is just one more thing you can forget, gets lost in the field etc. I've seen it happen to friends or family of mine on two separate occasions- forgot the key, or brought the wrong one. As an old hunter told me years ago before i got started "you can forget or misplace a key. BUT if you forget a 3 or 4 digit number that's important to you, you probably got bigger problems than a locked up gun" 😆
You can also forget a combination and lock yourself out of your own rifle ;)
The combo locks can malfunction though... So... I think it's being responsible more than anything.
@@heydaddy5326 Any mechanical device can malfunction.
@@heydaddy5326 I've never had a problem with combo trigger locks. Like most gun related accessories, it's all about personal preference. I was given advice long ago by a wise hunter, and I follow it. So far, it's worked well for me. To each their own, as long as it's safe.
If the police show up to your home without a warrant and want to see how you are storing your firearms you have every right to tell them No and to leave your property immediately. Unless you have made threats to someone and they are doing a follow up investigation. No warrant signed by judge, go pound sand officer. Best tell your family members as well to say the same if you are not home.
100% right brother.
I'm not sure but I think you are mixing American law with Canadian law
Fun fact rcmp are the biggest gang in Canada and will do as they please. Sad but true. Oh there’s a knock on my door😂
@@ChetManly2047 If you hold a restricted license, they don’t need a warrant! 24/7 they can check things out!
@@josephphelps5696 good to know as I do hold an RPAL, thank you 👍
Completed my RPAL course last weekend, just using your videos as a refresher to everytbing I previously learned. Cheers brother! Loving the Yoshi shirt as well😅
Great to hear! Welcome to the club!! And hell yeah brother, Yoshi is the man. Got lots of attention from that when I went to Japan in 2016 :P
Hey there, just wanted to say thank you for the content. I lived in Ontario for 30+ years but now live in the USA. Just got my firearms certificate and will soon buy my first. Love your advocacy in the motherland and please keep it up.
My pleasure! Thanks so much for being a subscriber, it really helps a lot! I'm happy to hear you enjoy the content. Congratulations on the new certificate! What's the first gun going to be? :) I'll keep plugging away here, thanks again kindly for your support. It never goes unnoticed.
@@canadianoperator I'm look at a Ruger 10/22 for my first.
@@DawdlingDuff That is a FANTASTIC option! If you're looking for better ergonomics and a more comfortable feel (though slightly heavier) I would highly recommend Archangel's precision stocks for the 10/22. They are great, and offer a lot more functionality than the stock "stocks" from Ruger. :)
@@canadianoperator Thank you! I will definitely check those out.
Just bought a 308.
Dude you're such a life saver! There's so little on UA-cam when it comes to firearms in Canada. Quick question: can i keep shells in my shotgun while transporting it in a locked gun case in my car? The official government website site doesn't say anything about keeping the shells separated. Please enlighten me bro and save me from any possible legal troubles 🙏
Thanks for the kind words brother :)
So, officially, to transport a non restricted firearm, it must be unloaded. That’s actually the only requirement.
However, if you want to transport ammunition with your firearm, you can - however, the ammo must not be in the firearm. But it can be in the same locked container, and I do this all the time when going to the range :)
If you leave it in your car, you can (like if you’re stepping away from it), but it must be in a locked trunk, or if in the car but not the trunk, out of view, and the car must be locked.
Hope this helps :)
www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/storing-transporting-and-displaying-firearms
@@canadianoperator bro you cleared so many misconceptions. Can't thank you enough!
@@canadianoperator though the official site doesn't say anything about keeping the bullets out of the NR gun, so is it just an extra precaution you're suggesting on taking to avoid trouble, or is it actually the law?
Also I don't see anything regarding locked cases too, the only rule mentioned for transporting is the firearm being unloaded. Are they just not stating the obvious or is really the ONLY rule and the rear are just precautions?
And just wanna thank you bro, you're doing law abiding gun owners a HUGE favour 🙏
@@Drunkfistkid Not a problem :) No need for thanks, just binge watch my videos 😂🤪🙏
@@Drunkfistkid it’s complex. There’s a mix of legislation and regulation, that’s why it’s such a pain to understand it.
Mostly it’s to do with the firearms act, 1995. So whatever you need with respect to firearm “rules”- it’s there. But RCMP does have a decent explanation of it if you go on the Canadian firearm program website. Which I believe I might have linked you earlier :) btw feel free to join our discord, it’s a lot easier having a conversation there ;)
I just sent the link to this video to some folks that completed the Canadian Firearms Safety Course this weekend. Your video is an excellent training tool on safe storage. Lots of information is presented efficiently.
Thank you so much! I’m grateful for this and so glad it can be helpful to more people. Thank you sincerely for doing this.
Awesome video super direct! I was just under the impression that you always had to store your ammo sperate and locked, so 2 safes essentially in the same room, one with ammo and one with firearms. good to know.
Thank you brother :) Yeah perfectly fine to store your ammo with your gun, in a locked container, just that the gun of course has to be unloaded. Makes things more convenient for sure ;))
Rod Giltaca made a video on the police showing up randomly to do an inspection. Thats not permitted, only a CFO can do that, but generally they must provide reasonable notice.
I watched that video. Many people are commenting that the police can show up anytime, and I agree with you, that's not lawful. There was some kind of hidden regulation where if you are a collector with MANY firearms, they may try doing this, but that's still not legal. Without a warrant or reasonable grounds to believe you or someone near you is in danger, (as per our yellow/red flag laws) they cannot come into your home.
Well detailed video. A couple of things: I agree with your point with regard to a trigger lock, however, if properly installed and pressed very tightly together, it should not move. As you mentioned, the cable lock is a better option.
As for keyed locks.....NOPE! They are fine if you have them all keyed alike. However if you have many firearms, then you will have many keys to carry and by the time you select the right key, it's time to pack up and go home (a bit of an exaggeration).
I prefer combination locks, personally. They are typically three digits and you can have all your locks coded to the same combination, so you only have to remember three digits. Thus no keys to fumble, no keys to lose nor forget and no keys to worry about keeping on your person at all times.
As far as combinations go, I am the only one who has the combination to my locks and my safe. There is absolutely no need to share that combination with a non-licensed member of the household. By giving them the combination to your safe, you are essentially giving an unauthorized person access to your firearms.
Again, a well detailed video with allot of great information.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts :)
Great videos by the way, very informative. Canadian firearms laws are so convoluted and complicated, even long time firearms owners can get things confused.
I'd love to see a video on transport of NR firearms with ammunition.
I do a lot of hunting, so in the back country I know your firearm can be with you as long as no ammunition is loaded, but passed that, it's clear as mud 😆
Thank you :) Glad you found it helpful. That’s a great suggestion and it’s likely I’ll do a video about this in the future.
Transportation of non-restricted firearms is much easier than storing them. Don't have to put lock on them as far as I know. Just don't keep then loaded and don't put at front seat. Keep on back seat covered or in trunk.
@@dansu3586you can technically even sling an unloaded rifle over your shoulder. That meets the bare minimum in terms of transport. Of course nobody should ever do that.
But yes, out of sight, and if you have to leave them in the car they need to be in the trunk, and if the car has no trunk then it should be in the back of the cab and concealed by something to keep it out of sight and the vehicle must be locked.
I wondered about the combination and licenses. Thanks for the clarification this is a big deal. Talking about locks when my son's were young I used locks on air rifles to teach safe firearm storage . My son's stile my key while in the shower and snuck a co2 pistol out. Had that been a licensed firearm and something happened or he got caught we'd both be charged.
Always better safe than sorry :)
Hey buddy, make a video on laws with transporting firearms and ammunition together !!
Great idea :) Will definitely consider this.
What about High Powered Air Rifle over 500 fps, needs any trigger lock if I locked it in a safe?
If it would be classified as a non restricted, it does not.
11:00 how do they allow this where it doesnt delay access..? I thought in all situations the ammo needed to be in a different room?
The theory is that if you can’t get to the firearms it doesn’t matter where the ammo is.
If you have your firearms in the open, then you can’t store ammo nearby because that ammo is within easy reach of that firearm.
@canadianoperator anyone could eventually get to them though is the issue. Tools and time etc.
Can you keep loaded magazines in your locked gun-bag with your firearm if the magazines are NOT in the firearm?
Yes.
if your gunbag is soft and zippered this can easily be opened with a pen. I would not classify this as "locked". Hard case is different. That soft bag can be opped open in less than a second. Put a trigger lock on the gun in a soft bag.
@@panigALI1199s I understand you can get into a cloth bag with a knife or some scissors, I’m strictly wondering about the legality, thank you kindly
@@panigALI1199sAnything can be opened quickly given enough time and expertise. The cheap wafer locks on a hard case can be forced or picked in a mater of seconds. Or just broken. No lock is infallible. As long as either the action of the firearm or the container is locked, it’s enough to satisfy the requirement for storage.
Very insightful video 😎 🔥
Cable locks, imo as well, are definitely the way to go ~
Thank you so much!! 🙏
Yes I love cable locks. They’re great.
my first gun was an sks and i got a cable lock to feed through the drop box.
this felt unsafe to me and replaced with a trigger lock my next trip into town.
they can be cut, i don't like that.
@@alaricbarber3680 I think it's also case by case.
Although, I prefer cable locks, something I noticed with my Bullpup FD-12 is that the whole bolt mechanism can still slide 99% if not 100% forward when the cable lock is routed through the action and out the magazine well - making it ineffective.
I've opted for a trigger lock on this specific SG as well.
The magazines can be loaded with ammunition but not inside of the actual magwell when inside a proper gun safe with restricted and or non-restricted guns in same gun safe. For transportation, you can have loaded magazines as long as not in the actual magwell but in same Pelican case and or Vodoo Tactical bag, etc. Or in separate locked pocket or separate locked ammo can For restricted and non restricted guns. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm curious what answers I'll get in here. This is for Canada by the way.
Accurate.
This answered concerns I had on storage. Thank you.
My pleasure. Glad it was helpful.
Would you lock your bicycle with that cable lock? They come free with the guns, if they are that cheap and better than bike locks I would wonder why we don't use them on bikes. On the above and beyond thing. I have bolts in separate locations, trigger locks, and I like those cable locks as well because someone can't just come along and bypass the trigger lock by removing the stock. I also have two good cabinets, but nowhere to keep them were they don't get wet in a flood, so I have to be careful what goes into them.
I don't have a bike. But if I did, then sure I would :) They're not meant to be a failsafe, like any other type of lock. Simply a deterrent or an inconvenience which might stall someone just long enough. Ultimately, if anyone wants to bypass any one of these locks, it's easy to do.
Lets be honest, the purpose of all the locks is to stop impulses, anyone can do anything if it's premeditated.
Great video.... I got my licence last year and going to buy my first rifle. Will get the cable lock for the rifle and put on my personal lock for the case. I have never kept my keys close to me. They have always hung up for easy access by the kitchen. Maybe I am better off with the combination lock. Anyway thanks for the refresher. Glad you put this on.. I am going to pick up a Savage XP 30 06. From the reviews it appears to be a great gun for newbies...
Thanks very much for watching and sharing your thoughts :)
Maverick 88 is great gun for newbies
Hi, my concern is, what are the factors to store in the cabinet. 1. does the locker is to be bolted to wall or ground?
2. Can i store in wooden cabinet if yes what are the things I should take care of?
For that I'd recommend contacting the Canadian Firearms Program directly. You can do so via their website or phone number (found on their website.)
If I can generalize, the regulation states that the cabinet "must not be easily broken open or into". Beyond that if you have specific questions like "does it have to be bolted to the floor" - I would say no, but then again, I didn't write the regulation and you should probably be asking those very specific questions of the authority that regulates firearms.
The police will confiscate and lie and say your guns were not stored properly no matter what you do. Happens everyday.
This is why you don’t allow them in your home. And if they present a warrant you present a video camera and document everything.
Storing a percussion sidelock muzzle loader is similar in that you can remove the nipple from the lock. Also removing the flint in the case of a flintlock. In either case both firearms are rendered inoperable.
Great to know, thanks!
So, I've inherited a firearm (CFSC this weekend!) and I'm looking to store it without making a big investment yet.
I have a lockable, heavy plywood chest in a back room that I plan to store the bolt and ammunition in, then store the firearm in another room with a cable lock. Am I correct that the cable lock is extra, and would it be okay to store the firearm in the same room as the locked chest?
Also, if I've removed and secured the bolt, can I display the firearm? From a practical standpoint it's been secured against misuse, but not theft, and keeping your guns out of the wrong hands is one of the primary responsibilities of a gun owner, so I'm not sure if the CFO would be happy about an unsecured firearm even if it's been disabled.
www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/storing-transporting-and-displaying-firearms this should help :) Congrats on your PAL in advance :)
@@canadianoperator Thanks. What I'm getting is that for storage that would be combining two valid methods, but if it's "displayed" then the cable lock is mandatory and disabling it by locking up the bolt is extra. I'm not certain as to what the difference is between display and storage but I'm pretty sure I can go by common sense there.
I just feel like, with our gun laws, it's always best to double check 'common sense.'
Does the bolt just need to be stored in a different room?
So, "officially" RCMP states "remove the bolt", but doesn't state where to put it: www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/storing-transporting-and-displaying-firearms ideally the best thing to do would be to put it in a non-descript, inconspicuous place and as far away from the firearm as possible. As to where, well, that's up to you :) I feel like if you just use common sense here and don't leave it in the open you should be fine. That said, I still prefer storing my firearms in a cabinet or safe.
@@canadianoperator Thank you!
I like the rack in the back of the truck window personally.
That'd be nice :)
Hi I’m looking to get my pal license as well but my question is do I need a safe for non restricted?
Not at all! A decent cable or trigger lock will do! If that's all you're doing though it's a good idea to store your ammo in a different place than your firearm. If you want to store your firearm WITH ammunition, you can as long as its not loaded. But in that case you'll need a container, like a closet, cabinet, case or bag - and that has to be locked. Hope that helped.
Can someone leave their vault key laying on counter for example if combination trigger locks are additionally installed?
You wouldn’t need trigger locks if you store your firearms in a vault. Leaving your keys laying around means someone could easily grab them and access your firearms, potentially landing you a careless storage charge and losing your license.
@canadianoperator but the suggestion was using the combination trigger locks to bypass the requirement to leave the keys duct tapes to ones rear end while they sleep. The suggestion is asking if it may be safer than simple standalone combo locks with no vault. Keys are for vault only not trigger locks.
If one were using a hard case several clamp locks, storing a shotgun/ ammo/ cleaning kit, would the case’s latches be enough, or pad lock needed?
For non restricted that would be fine, yeah :)
I have a side saddle on mine and often put a few rounds there and the others in a box or ammo bag that sits inside the locked case with the shotgun.
The important thing is ensuring your shotgun is unloaded and the case is locked. If you achieve that you can absolutely toss your ammo in with
Your gun.
Of course you could go above and beyond and put your ammo in a separate locked ammo container if you feel like being a little more cautious, but you don’t have to.
Cool. Wanted to make sure using the hard case’s latch locks were enough for gun & ammo storage.
@@mdarks4117 yeah any lock will do. Locked is locked when it comes to the law :P Though that would of course change with restricted where you’d also need a trigger lock in addition to being in a locked container.
How y’all’s government can tell you how to store your guns on your property is just odd to me.
It's odd to us too, my friend.
If I have a break down/folding shotgun. Is it considered inoperable it I store it in that fashion?
That depends on whether it is physically able to chamber a round (a shell in this case) and fire it. If it still can, then it wouldn't be considered inop.
So to be safe, you can do one of the following:
Store it in a safe, and then it doesn't matter because it's in a locked container.
Store it anywhere in your home (even under your pillow) but put a locking device like a trigger or cable lock through the trigged guard or action, respectively.
Store it the same way as before, but this time remove the bolt.
I'm not sure of the context behind the question, but I hope this helps.
Well done video. Good information.
Thank you brother much appreciated. :-)
So just to be clear. If you have both restricted and non restricted firearms stored in a safe-- the only difference is that the restricted one would require a lock on it?
In a safe, no. A cabinet or other locked container, yes. That and other differences. Like, restricted can only be taken to a range, and, need an ATT to take anywhere else. They also need to be double locked during transport.
Excellent information 👍
Hey great video!
I had a few questions.
1) when transporting a gun in a vehicle, assuming it is unloaded and you are not carrying ammo in the same bag, does it have to be locked? If ammo is being carried separate do they have to be stored a certain way?
2) when storing a firearm at home, in a locked safe, can ammo be stored on the gun? For example shells on a shell carrier on the stock of a shotgun, or extra magazine compartment on a rifle
Thanks again for a very informative video
@@coolguy4306 1)no, but has to be enclosed on all sides(in a case) after sunset. Ammunition has to be seperate, ie not in the case with the gun.
2)I wouldn't but I don't think it's illegal.
@@ianrobertson3419 is this at all times or just while hunting? Also does this mean I cant have a gun at my side while camping?
Thanks!
No, it does not need to be locked. Though, that’s always a good idea (to lock it in some way).
Yes, when storing a firearm at home in a safe you can store ammo with it but the gun must remain unloaded (such that nothing can be easily discharged). A shell carrier or equivalent should be fine as long as nothing can be discharged from it.
That’s not quite accurate.
The only restriction to transporting a firearm is that it’s unloaded. That is the absolute minimum the law asks for.
What you’re talking about is storing the firearm in a vehicle. In which case the firearm needs to be locked in the trunk. And if the vehicle doesn’t have a trunk it needs to be somewhere else in the car, out of sight, and the vehicle must be locked.
@@canadianoperator I have heard of a rule that says your gun must be encased after dark but from my understanding that was only while hunting
My understanding is ammunition CAN be stored in magazines, but the magazine cannot be loaded in the gun, so a combo trigger locked gun under your bed next to magazines loaded with rounds while the magazine itself is not loaded in the gun is acceptable. This is the minimum safety requirement, however it is advised to put 2 locks between the gun and ammo to be extra safe such as a trigger lock and a lock on an ammo box, or the ammo in another room with a lock, or even if the ammo is unlocked to create a significant time delay between accessing the locked firearm and locating ammo.
Bags can be cut easily and zippers can be popped open with a pen easily, therefore it is not likely a lock on a softbag with unlocked ammo and an unlocked gun inside will be acceptable.
That is not acceptable.
The reason for that is it can be argued that the firearm is within easy access of ammunition.
If you want to store the firearm with ammunition (but unloaded) it must be stored together in a locked container.
If you keep a firearm unloaded but locked under your bed, it cannot be within easy access to ammunition.
@@canadianoperator thanks for the clarification!
@@panigALI1199sNo worries!
@@canadianoperator This is not correct. Runkle did a video on this while back. You can store a restricted firearm, if it is itself locked, in a locked container, together with ammunition or a loaded magazine, for as long as the magazine is not inserted into the firearm.
@@milanvrekic1209this is literally exactly what I said. Where did I say this is not ok? Also this video is about non restricted firearms. So I’m really not sure what you’re talking about here as you didn’t reference what you think is not correct.
I’m turning 18 soon and I want to get my license how long does the process take?
That's GREAT to hear! It varies, but it can be as little as 4-6 months, or more. It also depends on what you count as "the process" whether that's everything, or just from the time you apply. You'll need to get your course done (CFSC) and pass with 80% or above in both practical and written, then wait a few weeks for your course materials to come proving you passed it. You then mail that and your completed app to RCMP (or you can now do it online) and there's a mandatory month long waiting period for your first license. Beyond that it depends how busy they are. And that can take anywhere from a couple months to several. I hope this helps :)
@@canadianoperator great thank you any advice for what would be a good first gun
@@daddysage4145 oooof that is a loaded question haha. Any gun is just as good as the other but it depends on a lot. Join our Discord and we’ll talk about it. Might be a very long answer here otherwise. :)
@@daddysage4145hey, I just got my PAL, and it didn't take more than 6 weeks. If it's your first time applying for your PAL, it's all done online now as opposed to the old paper way. Impossible to screw it up. It's easy. I applied for my PAL on 9/11 and received it in the mail around Halloween. Go get it!
As for first gun....I ended up buying 4 guns on my first trip to.the store lol but I would suggest a .22lr caliber to get you started/familiar with guns in general, then when you inevitably get the itch, buy one of each category. Pump shotgun, semi auto rifle, bolt action rifle, etc.
I applied for my PAL right after I turned 18 one year ago, it took 8 months for me to finally receive the license.
I would argue about a bag being a container not easily broken into, but I understand your logic
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Sorry, what trigger lock do you use again for your Tavor X95?
I actually prefer cable locks these days and I use the usual ones available at most gun shops. Forgot the name now but they’re available for about $10-$15.
Cable lock. No real option with an X 95.
@@lib556 Not with the stock grip at least ;)
How about a Semi Auto Shotgun ? Can I have the magazine tube loaded with a trigger lock on the gun and stored in a safe ?? The Gun needs to be unloaded at all times ??
It MUST be unloaded. Just because the tubular magazine on a shotgun is not detachable, it doesn’t make it any different than having a loaded detachable magazine in a rifle.
If it’s a non restricted shotgun, it’s fine without a trigger lock if it’s inside a safe, vault, cabinet or locker as long as that storage is not easily broken open or into.
You may be able to get away with a side saddle, because part of the definition of “loaded” is that a cartridge can be chambered. They cannot be chambered from a side saddle, but I’d still advise against storing ammunition and firearms in the same place (even though it’s technically legal).
I understand why you asked the question, and I empathize with you with respect to self defence. But this is the way our laws are.
Hopefully we get rid of this Trudeau guy and the Conservatives can make life easier on us gun owners !! He needs to go !! @@canadianoperator
@@MrLew1965 I couldn’t agree more with you. We are the most law abiding demographic in this country. And he treats us worse than criminals.
Remember brother, we have the power to make changes. We need to keep fighting for our rights in the interim, and when the election comes, we must make our voices heard. This is the only way we can make changes.
Thanks very much for watching :)
@@MrLew1965 conservatives had the same safe storage laws
If shotgun stored in the safe then it should be not loaded and trigger lock is not needed. Btw, it takes only few seconds to load few shells in
I have a question....my main address of residence is with my mother at her house but i also rent a house at another location( For traveling work purposes) can i store my fire arms at either location ?
You can, but you might have to be more careful storing restricted firearms as those need to be registered. So you’d need to make sure you store them at the address they’re registered at (your address on file with RCMP)
@canadianoperator perfect , that makes complete sense...thanks brother!
@@tomislavlulic9330 anytime :)
my question is that for bolt actions,
can i just remove the bolt but store it with the gun in the same gun case?
You can do that, but it wouldn’t really make any sense as a pertains to the law, because anybody who had access to the gun would also have access to the bolt. This only works, in a legal capacity, if you store the bolt elsewhere in a locked container or store the firearm in a locked container, so that the two cannot be combined.
@@canadianoperator appreciate the answer.
i forgot to say the bolt removed and placed in the gun case with the gun, while the case is locked with a locking device.
if it's legal to do so
@@FBI-ht4wy no problem. The minimum for a non-restricted firearm is that if you have ammunition in the case, the case needs to be locked. If you don’t have ammunition in the case, then the case can be locked or instead, you can put a locking device on the firearm itself. Removing the bolt is extra and not necessary. I only remove the bolt in my bolt guns because I don’t want to put too much pressure on the top half of the case when closed.
@@FBI-ht4wyit is legal. But you don't have to remove the bolt if rifle is in locked bag already.
Just wanted to know, if you have a safe, and you have ammunition and firearms in the safe, and some of your firearms have magazines which aren’t attached to the firearm but on a shelf loaded is that legal? So for example if I have the S&W FPC and the back rack can hold two magazines and those two magazines are loaded but not connected to the chamber or action is that legally ok?
Ammo in magazines is perfectly fine in a safe, even if the firearms are in the safe too. But they cannot be loaded into the firearm from where they can be discharged, or be in a part of the gun where they can be loaded into the chamber.
It’s unfortunate that Canada has such a tyrannical government. I store my firearms all over. In safes…in nightstands drawer, in vehicles. Where I might need them I could easily get to them. (No children in the house). But an unloaded firearm is like a soft rock. Fortunately for us we can use firearms for personal protection and prevent things like home invasions.
@@x3dominator28Indeed our government needs to change. And while I’m absolutely for self defence as a use for firearms, I don’t think they should be stored loaded or outside of a safe.
Not sure about you, but for me I can get to my shotgun within seconds and load it in a few more. But I know that nobody can use that firearm against me because it’s properly stored.
There’s a lot of potential for negligent discharge or other things to go wrong.
@@x3dominator28you mean in USA?
@Chris I believe you left a comment but it may have either been deleted or removed... Nevertheless I wanted to answer the question you had in that comment, asking whether it's okay to have cartridges in a magazine, and then have that magazine locked in together with your firearm so long as it's not loaded.
And yes, technically that's okay, as long as the firearm isn't able to discharge anything, it's fine.
That means in a locked bag, case, closet or safe for example, you can store the firearm, and the ammunition, even if it's in a magazine, in the same compartment. The same way that it would be technically legal to store a loaded magazine in the butt stock of a Ruger PC carbine (because it cannot be discharged from there) or even shot shells in the side saddle of a shotgun.
The reason I am against this practice, despite the fact that it's not necessarily illegal, is that it puts ammunition directly in close proximity of the firearm.
If someone was able to get a hold of that firearm some how, the loaded magazine was in the same compartment, if that person knew how to load and cock the firearm, they could discharge it. That would mean a very bad day for whoever owned the firearm.
I always like to go above and beyond what the law says. I always store and lock my ammunition away separately from the firearms. And yes, when I am planning to go to the range, I do preload my magazines with cartridges, but I leave those magazines in the compartment where my ammunition is, AWAY from my firearms. The day of the range day I take those mags out and throw them in the case alongside my firearm and other ammo, then lock the case, and I'm on my way.
Hope that answers your question :)
Ooh, that's freaky; I just checked and can, indeed, confirm that my comment had disappeared o.o
Thanks for the clarification, friend!~
P.S. I do enjoy myself a good Runkle watch every now and then too; that one concerning house/room-mates definitely came-up as well!~
I think it may either have been "moderated"-out of the comments section OR that it was auto-removed because I included a link - that being the actual Canadian gov website (which is weird)
@@x_jaydn I got you :)
Yeah Ian is a solid dude :) Definitely made me think and talk to my wife about licensing.
She enjoyed coming out with me and doing some shooting here and there so I’m really trying to get her to get a license as well :)
@@x_jaydn actually I think that’s exactly what happened. In order to keep the comments clean I do remember setting up something that modded comments with links.
The weird thing is though it should have held it for approval instead of just outright removed it. Because i definitely would have approved it :)
If you’d post the link in a DM or any of our public channels on Discord I can definitely make a pinned comment out of it here :)
Very serious business and should be treated as such. Thanks for the video. Great policy to do more than is required.
I use to use trigger locks but now when I'm finished shooting I remove the bolt and wrap it in a cloth and store in my rifle case.
99% safe right after shooting :)
Trigger locks you mean? So, while I agree that it’s 100% safe on its own (such that you won’t have a ND or AD) I don’t think it’s 100% safe from people, because you can’t ever be 100% safe from people :)
Consider if someone got their hands on it and put the bolt back in. They’d have a functional firearm.
While the chances of that are quite low I’d still prefer not to take that chance personally.
If I were to do that, I’d store the bolt in a separate, locked location. But my favourite way is using a cable lock through the action and magwell because not only are you stopping the action from working, but you’re also preventing magazines from even being inserted.
I find safe storage laws ridiculous and don't go above what's required by law.
I do find many of our laws kinda silly, and a bit redundant at times.
However, I personally like to try to go a little above and beyond. Not because I feel like I'm expected to, but to have just one extra layer of safety, and also to be a good example to those who visit my home and may have apprehensions about firearm safety.
Not to say I am trying to impress them, per se :P But, to show them the kind of things they won't see watching liberal media, and hopefully educate them a little regardless of their stance on firearms. :)
@@canadianoperator I get that, problem is that it becomes the norm and people like cops who should know better end up charging because they think it's law. I can't tell you how many times I've talked to even PAL instructors who think it's LAW. I show them Rod's videos on the subject and they're dumbfounded.
@@georgepsofimis1834 I feel you brother. I’ve had similar frustrations with people.
That’s why I think it’s important to try to educate folks as much as possible. The more people know the less likely they are to fuck up ;) And at the very least, even if it’s not your jam, it doesn’t hurt to understand more about a subject. Especially if it’s a point of contention and the government is trying to lie to you about it. :)
@@georgepsofimis1834sources? plz
I don’t give two shits about “going above and beyond,” either. My house, my property.
Im a little confused. You said if someone can open the gun cabinet/safe they can be arrested for having access to the firearms. Hows is that any different than me leaving it under a bed or a closet?
Or is it because you don't technically need a trigger/cable lock if a non restricted firearm is stored in a cabinet?
Yes, if they are unlicensed. The idea would be the same if they are able to open a combination lock sealing a gun inside a gun bag.
Unlicensed people should not have access to firearms, access in this case meaning having access to a firearm they can use. In the case of a locked gun bag or cabinet, they don’t have access to it unless they can open the look legitimately.
You will be arrested as well for careless storage. They key is - not to allow police inside. Only CFO can check how you store you guns. And he is to busy to go to your home.
@@dansu3586Good point. I’ll add to it - politely but firmly decline to even speak to police. There is no reason you should be giving them reasons to ask questions other than “how are you?”
@@canadianoperator you are my #2 favorite Canadian Firearms youtuber 😎
@@dansu3586I’ll take that as a compliment 😂🙏
@12:10 the key importance of key carry is to live with them as we do.
You just never wanna be caught with your pants down leaving your keys behind and having someone else being able to access your stuff. If you can always avoid that, that would be ideal.
If you have a safe, you do not have to keep your ammunition separate from your guns right and can you have a magazine loaded, but not in the gun
That’s what I said :)
The course teaches you everything you need to know.
It sure does. You can also reference the linked CFP website on firearm storage.
TIP - You dry-fired several times and that is hard on the firing pin, Now I do not like to leave the tension on the spring when the bolt is close so what I do is slide the bolt forward and while hanging on to the bolt handle, I pull the trigger and lower the handle slowly to the bolt closed position and that takes off the spring tension without dry-firing.
I'm aware. Thanks.
@@PocketfleetDS dry firing a Center fire is fine, the military do it all the time it’s the rim fire that can cause damage
@@mikebaker2840 Yes, people really misunderstand dry firing. Mike is correct, at least when I was in the military we dry fired without the need for snap caps or dummy rounds. I still have those rounds but use them because they are good for testing the action, loading and ejection.
This was a good refresher for me. I actually go one further and use the cable lock on my bolt action even when it's in the gun cabinet. I have the bolt and the ammunition elsewhere.
That is super above and beyond :) Good stuff! Thanks for watching :)
This is frustrating. Canadian laws are waaaaaaay too safe. Then you go 'above and beyond' and it blurs the laws that are already too strict. This is pure silliness.
It really is pretty crazy. I feel that the law makers don’t really understand how things currently are. And the only reason they want to make things more strict is to invoke a public perception that they’re doing something about “public safety”. Except, we are not the safety risk here.
@@canadianoperator well said brother! Great Channel btw. I'm subscribed. I'd love to see a 2024 collection video! 🇨🇦
@@landrecce thank you brother! That’s a great idea btw :)
Great video young fella. Responsibly is the key word on safety it's not just protecting your firearms but also protecting inquisitive grandchildren visiting too. 74+🍁 hunter Yorkshire expat
Thank you very much and indeed you’re 💯% right. Thanks for taking the time to watch my videos. I really do appreciate it very much.
Need 80 percent on written test but you have to get 100 percent on practical test . At least it was that way when I did the coarse in Ontario
It’s 80 for both.
How about storing bullets in Canada? Do they need to be locked?
They don’t need to be locked, but they need to not be within easy access of firearms. They can be locked in the same container as a firearm, but not loaded in the firearm. Or they can be stored elsewhere, away from firearms.
Have a laminated version of the storage laws available. Police are often in error.
That's actually a great idea. Although, I won't be opening my door to them anytime soon. If anything, I'll slide it out of the mail slot so they can have a read :)
@canadianoperator
Can you store magazines with ammunition in them in a carrying case with your rifle locked when you’re on your way to the range or going hunting?🔒 PS the magazines are Not in the gun they’re separate. I have a lot of magazines and they take a long time to load them all to go to the range. Is it OK to load them at home and then transport them in the same case, but not in the gun?
Short answer is yes! You can store them in the same locked container as the firearm but they must not be loaded in the firearm.
I'm going thru the process of getting my PAL now, booking the course, etc.
I'm interested in the Tikka brand, thinking a 6.5 PRC or a 270 Winchester. I live alone in an apt & security building. My intention is that none of my neighbors will know I have a firearm (I'm always going back & forth with guitars), so no great risk of theft. The fewer people who know I have a rifle, the better. It's not something I'm embarrassed about, it's the addicts who live in my city, who looted my car & fenced my new radar detector, dashcam, etc. My own fault for leaving that stuff in the car, I know...
....That said...
Couple of things:
1. How tough is it to remove the barrel from the rifle? I assume brand & bolt action type are important, but my point is, when transporting my rifle, I want it to fit into a guitar case. (Soft cases, a tweed Strat case, etc). I have many neighbors who are senior citizens, they all know me to have guitars (no, I'm not loud!), and I'd like to keep my ownership as discrete as possible. Do rifles break down easily so they can be transported, then re-assembled at the destination, without putting undue wear on the rifle's components? (and bonus question, does this affect a dialed-in scope? removing/reinstalling it, etc).
2. I have a security camera that's motion detecting in my apartment, since I've got I'd say $15k worth of guitars. I'm buying an AirTag (or similar) to put in my best guitar. Have any of you gun owners used Air Tags or other tracking tech to hide inside your rifles somehow? Is there space for one? If someone took my rifle, I want to be alerted immediately. It's not just to protect myself, obviously, and unlike stolen cars, police & the border authority act very quickly to recover/track stolen firearms. Any of you use tech/tracking to protect your guns? I don't want a gun safe, I just want my gun 'safe'.
Thanks, all!
There are some rifles that break down easily. Like for example, the Ruger PCC. They are made for the barrel to come off easily, and sometimes even attach to the stock to fit comfortably in whatever transportation solution you’ve got.
That said, for a rifle that doesn’t have that option, I would never recommend removing the barrel every time you want to transport it.
For one it’s way too much work and you’ll have to carry additional tools with you to do so. Secondly, the only time I’d want to change a barrel is if I’m upgrading. Otherwise I don’t touch the barrel whatsoever. You don’t want to cause any unnecessary wear to your firearm. And lastly this will ABSOLUTELY affect your accuracy. Less so if your scope is mounted forward of the breaking point between barrel and receiver. However, it will definitely affect accuracy and you very well may have to dial in your optic again.
While it’s probably not going to cause issues putting a firearm in a guitar case for transport, you still need to ensure that you are following all federal laws when doing so.
As for AirTags, yes I use them all the time. I own two drone systems and about 20k worth of camera equipment that I keep in a case. That case and each of my other bags (including my drones) each have an air tag. It’s useful in case they are stolen. But for me also useful when I’ve forgotten where in the house they are :)
Hope that helps answer your questions.
@@canadianoperator Hey thanks a lot, appreciate your enduring that detailed list. I have options of course, I can carry a proper, locking gun case with a handle & most people wouldn't question that. I'm not talking about concealment per se, just taking it to my car & back inside type of thing. I'm still learning the laws - some of them are strange regarding where ammo can be stored if the gun is locked, where it can't go when the gun is operational & unlocked, what can go into a locked case, where it goes when you take it OUT of the case, etc.
I do have a couple of questions about transport, but don't worry about it if you're short on time. Every answer I get inspires another question, so don't encourage the boy, lol!
1. If I wanted to drive from Nova Scotia to Ontario for a hunting course or just to go shooting with friends, as I understand it, it's legal to have a properly stored firearm (non-restricted, PAL license only) in my car trunk, and since the PAL is federal, I can transport my rifle between provinces with no issues. What about motels/hotels? If there's a secure parking lot or my car's just outside my motel room, is it lawful to leave my firearm in the car, or do I have to keep the firearm in the room? What if I only took the rifle in, but left the bolt & ammo in the car?
2. Are these scenarios legal? Always PROVE'ing he rifle before transport, of course. I understand "out of site & can't be loaded or fired" is the idea?
a) Rifle bolt & ammo in a small, locked case made for storing ammo, inside a zipped backback, stored in my car out of sight or in the trunk. Rifle with bolt removed & breech-cable-locked, fully concealed in an unlocked case (like a guitar case, maybe padded nylon?), in the same trunk.
b) Same scenario as above but the rifle's bolt is intact. Still breech cable-locked in a similar case.
I'm not too cheap to get a proper hard-shell case, I'm just wondering how casual I can keep it. I'd rather people think it's a guitar, unless a LEO asks.
Appreciate the help, thank you!
@@OhGawdHesGotAGun to get the answers to your questions, in short, I would consult the RCMP firearm program website as it details in summary how to store and transport non restricted firearms.
If you need further clarification on specific laws, I’d highly recommend consulting a legal professional with experience in the firearms act.
I believe I did link to some of those resources in the video description.
Thanks :)
Look for rifles which have "take-down" feature or for shotgun. Many shotguns can be disassembled and assembled easy. As for airtags, some rifles with plastic stocks might have available space/compartments where airtag can be placed.
@@dansu3586 I did, and thank you. Learning a lot about takedown rifles, and you're right, lots of shotguns that fold/collapse. Sako S20 Hunter seems to be the best hunting rifle that has 'takedown' ability - it's got a great frame. I was thinking of putting a Samsung Tag2 in the mag since the mag snaps into the rifle without jutting out too far - or even putting a dummy round in the mag on top of the tag. I'll figure something out.
Thank you!
Awsome video, you talk too fast, what’s the rush? Beside that, awesome, good information also for someone who is thinking to obtain fire arm for hunting or not. I wish you could cover locks on different fire arms with different loading mechanism and talk and demonstrate about the best vs. worst locks. I’m sure there is.
Thanks! Appreciate the feedback. I can try to work on that but honestly it just happens without me even thinking about it. Good suggestion too, may consider that in a future video :) cheers :)
How do you lock a lever-action rifle with a tube magazine?
Trigger locks are useless, and cable locks aren't long enough.
Inside of a locked case. Or get an extra long cable lock.
@@canadianoperator it ok to use / lock it inside a soft padded case?
@@herphermits the regulation states it must be locked in a container that’s not easily broken into, so as long as you have a way of locking it that meets the regulation, you should be fine.
I’ve done this with my Tavor when I still used the soft case that came with it for transport and storage (before I had my safe).
The zippers had metal loops for a lock, and that’s what I used. Perfectly fine.
On my .22 Ithaca lever gun, and others, I wrap a cable lock through the lever and around the stock multiple times so the lever will not operate. I also have piece of chain in a soft rubber hose and padlock. I do not like levers left open during transport. Legal.
I certainly hope those are not your real keys. We can decode them from pictures and cut a new copy just by seeing it at oblique angles, let alone square on here. I see some perfect images to decode a schlage key(usually house), and a slider lock key, which will likely be a higher end padlock, safe, or bike lock (here in north america, its more common to be a house key in europe)
When you say nobody has access to your keys, the fact they are on display (even on your belt!), means they can be copied. This *may* be fine in the eyes of the law, but, for going above and beyond, tuck those keys into your pocket and don't show them on camera. (I use an extra keyring on my carabiner to extend the keys low enough to tuck into the pocket while being on my belt loop for ease of access) We can absolutely take a phone picture of your belt at a bar/store and decode keys. overlay images exist all over the internet for decoding from a photo with some basic photo editing skills to un-skew and rotate the image, because the cut depths are standardized. I would also argue it really should not be permitted by law to let the keys be seen by other people if the intent of the law is to secure the device its locking. This is something any child with a cellphone can do if they watch a few videos on youtube, allowing a complete bypass of the locks, be it with an officially cut one, or making one with a hand file/dremel.
Otherwise, thanks for educating people on our local laws!
Thanks for your in depth analysis :) I hadn’t really considered this, and the suggestion to use a separate key ring is a great one.
Ultimately there’s a lot of things that are supposed to keep us safe that don’t work as we think they do.
This may be one of them. The RCMP calling only 10% of PAL applicants’ references is another, and I am sure there are millions more.
The idea isn’t necessarily to bar or prohibit access but merely to delay.
As you very well pointed out - if someone is driven and determined enough to do something, you can bet they’re going to find a way to do it.
"It's a COURTESY check." lol
You can also courteously tell them they’re not welcome unless they have a warrant :P
Very informative. Thank you.
My pleasure :) Thank you for watching!
i live in a 14" cargo trailer with all my firearms, i pretty much live in a safe LOL
Now that's thinking outside the box! Or I guess... INSIDE the box? :P
Good info. Thanks.
No worries.
Can the magazine be loaded in the same locked case but not in the gun?
Yep. I do this often when getting ready for a range day. As long as the firearm is unloaded, ammunition can be stored in the same locked container/cabinet and there is no specificity about it having to be outside of a magazine. This is the same for both storage and transport. Though for storage usually I store them separately.
@@canadianoperator Thank you. Someone told me the amo must not be "easily accessable " which means it can't be in rhe same case and magazine not loaded...
@@dsmtsi easily accessible meaning not locked up.
For example, on a shelf, in a closet, etc.
If it’s locked up separately, or locked in a room, cabinet or receptacle that cannot be easily broken open or into, or a room, vault or safe adapter or designed specifically for the safe storage of firearms, it can be in the same place as the firearm provided the firearm is not loaded.
Thank you for this very informative video.
My pleasure :) Thanks for sharing your thoughts :)
Excellent Information
Thank you brother, glad you enjoyed it :)
Thank you for the info
My pleasure. Thank you for watching my videos :)
Great video well said on this issue!!!
Thank you! 🙏
Are there /do they do checkups for storage at your home, ect? And if so how is that process?
was thinking of it for restricted but also have dog with ptsd frm past owners, break ins ect and don’t want to personally risk them being allowed to just walk in unannounced or going around if makes sense as alot of shooting peoples dogs in their own homes ect, only reason I haven’t tried to get one but not sure how even works to be 💯 don’t like the thought of the extra stress if it’s unannounced visits /no warrant searches ect, thanks!
No, they'd need a warrant for that. However I have heard stories of there being checks on people who own many guns (I mean, THOUSANDS of guns) where they'd come and just ask you for permission to have a look. Again, you could say no, and they could get a warrant. But the majority of people probably wouldn't have issue especially when they're not breaking the law.
There is also the matter of our red and yellow flag laws. In that case they would not need a warrant, and they could come and check at their discretion to alleviate any suspicion of wrong doing based on a complaint received.
I hope this helps, but for a much better explanation I'd recommend a criminal law lawyer :)
@@canadianoperator okay makes sense, will look more into/ thanks again! Blessings
@@JohnnygØdoubleT-e8k No worries! If you have any other questions feel free to ask!
Actually they do not need a warrant but they do need to make the visit at an agreeable time.
What the home storage laws should be are that if a licensed firearms owner is in the house, trigger locks should not be required. When the house is left without a licensed firearms owner present, trigger locks then should be required. Separating the bolt and breaking apart the firearm then storing the parts in different areas is redundant
That’s… not the requirement though. Taking out the bolt is a secondary way of storing a firearm if you can’t do it in the traditional way of having a firearm in a locked container. If you can do that there’s really no reason to remove the bolt, unless you’re displaying it.
guns scare me.
naturally i decided to educate myself on the subject.
my rifles have trigger locks, pulled bolts and kept in a safe.
ammo is in another safe.
i don't go to such extremes because it's the law but what i feel needs to be done to be comfortable owning such scary things.
before you jump down my throat for calling guns "scary" i also don't like heights yet find roller-coaster fun.
there is no shame in having fear, just not being able to control it.
One needs not fear firearms, but respect them. What is worth fearing is those who have firearms, but neither the knowledge nor discipline to use them safely.
@@canadianoperator please hear me on this.
as i said "naturally i decided to educate myself" please don't disregard people fear in firearms. the "fear the bad man not the gun" is not working to save our rights,
just be accepting of the fact people have fear. fear can be irrational but it's no less real.
if you can do this more will do as i did and educate themselves.
i enjoy your channel and please keep up the good work.
@@alaricbarber3680 I think you’re taking what I’m saying a bit too literally. I’m not invalidating your fear.
But at the same time, I don’t believe there’s much merit in being afraid of an inanimate object.
The object can’t do any good or harm without being acted on.
This in fact is WHY firearms are stigmatized in our country. Because they are depicted as horrible killing machines in wars, movies and the news, and people assume things about them based on that information, without any lived experience.
Thanks for watching, and you do you. Don’t worry about how other people feel or what they tell you. :)
You forgot "feel". It should be "I feel that guns scare me" 😎
What reason would the police have to just show up at your house to check your firearms if you're not breaking the law in the first place
Because they want to. Doesn’t make that legal though. Know your rights. While you still have some.
@@canadianoperator I don't think that actually happens in real life does it?
@@hilchoit absolutely does. Has happened to another UA-camr that reviews guns.
@@canadianoperator right but being youtubers make them a heat score right off the bat. Brought it on themselves im sure
@@hilcho So it's okay for police to demand to see a gun UA-camr's gun collection because they brought it on themselves by being a gun UA-camr? You sure are making a lot of assumptions about something you have little to no experience with.
Another great video. It highlights the extent in which firearms owners have to store their guns.
Thank you Anthony! Glad to see you again ;) I hope you’ve been well. Come by the Discord sometime. (Link in the description) we’d love to have you!
@@canadianoperator Didn’t realize there is a Discord server. Will definitely join.
@@canadianoperator I'm having trouble using the link. I get a response that the link expired or is invalid.
@@TheTimeweaver So sorry brother, here's a new one: discord.gg/RptujAypX3 I didn't know that Discord arbitrarily limits the links to 7 days before they expire. This one should never expire. I will update all my videos.
Well said
Thank you :)
I’ve built a few banks over the decades. Even though there is minimal cash on site, the amount of security measures that are used, makes them so risky to break to break into, that criminals don’t even consider trying to break into them anymore.
The vaults are placed on a thickened portion of the building’s concrete slab. 3’ thick with three layers of 18 M rebar that is layed out to a 6” grid. The vaults themselves are modular in design with 20” thick sections, made from concrete that is reinforced with tungsten carbide.
The sections have steel frames that are welded/ bolted together. The door has glass packs that can shatter if bumped too hard, let alone drilled into.
If those glass packs break, the door locks permanently. The only way in, is to use a 24” diamond hole saw and about 8 hours to cut through one of the panels.
The vents of the building have special burglar bars installed and all of the walls of the building are sheathed in fire rated plywood and expanded metal.
So if you are going to go above and beyond what is legally required, then anything less than what is described above, is a waste of time and resources.
For one thing, that is an incredibly elaborate and detailed way of describing how one might break into a bank by means if literally listing the steps in which it's made, lol.
Secondly, the lengths to which someone wants to go to in securing their firearms is up to them, and nobody else. And if someone wants to go above and beyond, but not to the length of building a bank, then by all means, that person should be able to do what they want as long as they're not breaking the law.
Liked, subbed and smashed the bell. What is Discord? How do I access it??
Thank you
Non restricted guns don’t need to be locked Or in a case in a vehicle just must be unloaded
This was clarified in a number of other comments.
Where did you serve? “operator”
I serve only my community. Nothing is implied, only assumed.
@@canadianoperator claiming to be an operator implies your served in a special forces unit. You should consider changing your channel name would hate to be associated with a stolen valour situation.
@@Shredthepow28 🙄
…. It’s all about ENTRAPMENT & CONFISCATION not public safety
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Only restricted weapons need to be hepl in a safe, bullets nedd to be in a seperate safe,
First of all, they're firearms, not weapons. Secondly, read the RCMP website.
You can keep a restricted firearm in a container, case or cabinet as long as it has a secure locking device. If it's in a vault, safe or locked room adapted for the purpose of storing firearms, it doesn't need a secure locking device.
In both cases it's fine to store ammunition in the same locked environment as the firearm without having to lock it up separately, especially not in its own safe.
I’m in the middle of building a locked vault room in my locked garage that I’ll be able to hang some of my rifles on the wall, because the room will be “locked, secured and not easily broken into”. Nothing is impossible to get into given enough time and equipment, so it’s going to meet the safe storage requirements of our illustrious government…..😉👍🏻👍🏻
Very nice! Share some photos with us on Discord!
Great. I have my cabinets in special locked room too.
Glad I live in the U. S. A.
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Why are you dry firing your weapon?.
First of all, it's not a weapon. It's a firearm. And to answer your question, everything I do is to educate, illustrate or show a point that I am making.
"Safe storage" is whatever the senior policeman on the scene happens to feel it is.
Not anymore. And most lawful gun owners in Canada know exactly what the legislation is. It’s part of our training.
Be that as it may, still doesn’t stop the police from laying a charge and letting the court straighten it out…
@@jamesready5No. it doesn’t work like that. Laying a charge involves so much more. They aren’t going to waste their time on Mickey Mouse bs like this unless it’s part of a much bigger and much more serious event that would constitute a search, arrest, or both.
I’ve worked in our criminal justice system for several years and I have never seen a stand-alone charge alleging someone didn’t store a firearm properly. It just doesn’t happen unless its something discovered as part of a much bigger issue.
Cops don’t have time for that here. You can order a pizza from the other side of the city that would get to you faster than a police officer. The only likely exception is a serious violent crime. Besides that, they can’t be bothered.
Understand your gun rights and you'll be fine !! Why the police would end up at your door would not be for a PAL Safe Storage Check !! @@jamesready5
*A year ago* “how to store non-restricted firearms.
*this year* “how to sore newly prohibited firearms”
This made me laugh but it's 100% true. Might actually do a video on that lol.
Then how do i defend myself from an intruder when im living out in the boonies and the closest police is 30minutes away? I want a video about how to pretend you’re following the law
lol… I don’t think you need a video on that ;) just read between the lines sometimes :P
I don't think that police can just show up at your door and do a "courtesy check" how you store your firearms. Even if they do, don't let them in as they have no rights to do it. Also keeping ammo and magazines in same bag as firearms is not good advice. Many ranges have specific rules about keeping ammo and magazines separately when coming into range. Having combination lock is better than lock with a key, at least for me.
You’re right about not letting police in.
But on this channel we don’t focus on the rules at any of the hundreds of ranges out there. We focus on the law. And having loaded magazines in the same locked container as a firearm is perfectly legal.
If that’s not ok at a range, they are a private business and can set whatever rules they want.
As far as the law is concerned though, it doesn’t care about rules. It cares about legislation and regulation.
Just something to remember. All these laws were put in place so a spouse doesn't have instant access to a fire to use in the heat of the moment. And to prevent self defense use for those pesky criminals that want to hurt you and your loved ones and take all of your possessions. Clay
The first part I can understand. Having firearms locked up is generally a good thing.
But I can’t disagree more with the latter point. Criminals don’t follow or obey laws. And those same laws that try to prevent them from “defending” themselves when police break down the door are also the same laws that make it harder for a legal gun owner to protect from that criminal breaking down the door.
The fact is that we NEED self defence laws, such as castle doctrine or stand your ground, as they have in the USA. It will benefit those looking to protect their loved ones - and as with all laws, have no impact whatsoever on the criminals that don’t follow them anyway.
Criminals are using prohibited, automatic firearms with large capacity magazines. Given someone is breaking into my home with one of those, I want to at least rest easy knowing I’ll have a fighting chance with my semi auto that has only 5 rounds.
I hope that puts things into perspective.
Man if someone breaks into your home and you need to defend yourself.....your screwed bro.
Yep. It sucks. But despite that, God (and whatever other cosmic powers exist) help the guy who tries. :)
It’s rather simple to store legally yet access quickly and make ready in an emergency. Just takes money for the proper set-up and some creativity. I can access a legally stored unloaded pistol and ammo and make ready in under 5 seconds. Just takes practice and practice makes perfect.
@@zipzap4706Well said :)
The chances of that happening are so incredibly slim that unsafe storage is more dangerous.
@@ianrobertson3419Maybe but the reality is our country is going down the crapper and crime is getting worse. I have a wife and 4 young boys to protect, so I'd rather err on the side of caution.
Most of my firearms are break-open, breech-fed, guns and rifles. Most have removable locks, but some have fixed locks. Canada is execrably statist and decadent. It's anti-weapon and anti-hunting. I left Canada when I turned 18 years old. I hunt dangerous game. Now, there's a prohibition of stopping calibres. Being a hunter is my civilisational definition. I'll renounce my Canadian citizenship.
Wow.
Those cable locks are such low quality I would not use it to lock up a steak at a vegan convention.
Why would you need to lock up a steak at a vegan convention? :P They wouldn’t want it… they’re vegan :o 🤔
You need a trigger lock,... and a house that locks, ... that's all folks
And a little more nuance :P
As a Texan i feel so bad for yall. Your government is taking your gun rights one piece at a time.
Thank you brother. I appreciate your solidarity. I wish things were different. Maybe one day they can be. Thank you. :)
I wish you canadians had our freedom as our northern neighbors
Me too my friend. Me too.
if all gun owners took the course they should know how to store firearms. this is for the new guy who doesn't have a pal. so it's useless to me and all the Pal. holders .
They should. But they are human, and humans forget, make mistakes, have selective memories and other faults. Just because you are all knowing and don't require this information, doesn't mean others don't. And I don't think it's fair that you speak for them. There are many people in the comments, in our Discord, and via e-mail who let me know just how valuable this information was to them, so you're welcome to have your opinion - but it's only your own.
Technically right, sounds like legally right to me….just saying…
"Technically" is the BEST kind of correct ;)
@@canadianoperator Finally, somebody said it.. :P
@@Strato50😂👍🏻