I think Tovalar did what he did because ultimately he loves Arlenn. Maybe not romantically. But he doesn't want her to die even if their goals don't align.
I like that he didn’t and that he was mostly supporting though. This one was mostly an Arlinn/Sorin set. However, I feel that the writing was lazy especially toward Edgar Markov’s side. There’s so much old information that could have been used to build this current arc.
I must confess I don't love Rivera's style, but the overall plot this time seems to make sense. What can we gather from the way it's written? It seems to be that Sorin got it right. Edgar has never been truly charmed. He's using Olivia as much as she thinks she's using him. He's finally come to see his grampa for what he is: an ancestral noble playing chess with the world as pieces because that's all there is for him, that's all he know, that's all he is and will ever be. The reason why we expected so much more from Edgar is that we got to know him through the eyes of Sorin, who now realises how vastly he has overestimated the man. For the first time Sorin realises that he himself is the one who sees the larger picture, that Innistrad is a mere backwater of the Multiverse, and that its squables are petty in comparison to what's out there. Edgar has been informed of the Travails, but hasn't fully grasped its meaning, the insignificance of such power struggles. Now that Sorin no longer sees him as an equal, he's looking around to see what and who else there is. He respects Teferi, at least, and that's a good start. The reasons for sparing Edgar and Olivia are just circumstantial. Only Sorin would have spared Edgar, and it was him who did. Now Sorin despises Edgar, but doesn't fear him, and if Sorin went around Innistrad killing every dangerous being that could potentially commit atrocities in the future, how many of the powers that be would survive? And Arlinn wanted to secure the key above all else, not risk it in a fight. In fact, take a moment to appreciate the fact that there would have been no fight at all if Olivia had just handled over the key in the first place. It was Olivia's hubris that brought this down on her. I'm sure Arlinn would happily murder Olivia and Edgar any other day, though.
Can really be said to be circumstantial when Teferi tells Sorin he “did the right thing”? It seems like, for whatever reason, the author wanted all these characters alive at the end of the story, and I can’t help but think it’s because of future set products in Magic, and imo that’s something your reader should never think. Granted it’s probably Wizards’ decision of who gets to live in the narrative, but still.
he is a part of her pack she called he came. he said as much . after all she won the challenge for leadership at the massacre. he under estimated her resolve. Also I don't think he knows she's a Planeswalker .
I am afraid that we do not get the resolution to these arcs as we expected. For once the story serves the game and characters are either recycled ad nauseam or horribly asasinated ad Dovin Baan. Secondly I have learned not to put much hope in the dramatical talents of nowadays writers. They could draw a cool themes (that is why I even care in the first place) and pictures, however still mostly deriving from something already in existence. But then often comes the failiure of characters development or of building logical story structure.
I honestly believe if given more time (more than 5 articles) maybe it could be more fleshed out and a better ending could be the result. But we would never know because WOTC just doesn’t care enough
I’m afraid I just find their writers extremely lackluster. I’m not sure what the process is for development of the story, but the tropish bias is really strong. This season has really struggled to live up to the epic conflict of light and dark that has been the history of this plane to date.
So all that death and horror and Edgar runs off like a chump. And Olivia and Edgar just....walk away? Nothing changes. They still are the most powerful pair of blood suckers. And when did E & O have time to concoct this plan? Lots of things that make no sense
As a Vamp enthusiast: … Am I the only one who feels hurt on a personal level by the way this whole Innistrad VOW story went? Like: Vamps crushed, Sorin/Eddy-relationship broken, Olivia defeated; everything turning out as a “joke-alike” trip of Chandra and Friends… No horror, no wedding, no seriousness, … only sadness :(
I’m sad about a few things. Honestly they didn’t do right by Olivia. The whole crazy bride thing was cool for a moment. But it really took away from her overall character.
This is one long story. I admire how you take the time to create these beautiful summaries despite their lengths. If they want to be long, the writers need to focus on other characters too instead of just Sorin and the Gatewatch (*cough cough* Thalia and Odric).
I agree. They need to take a risk again. WOTS failed and it had deaths. But most of those deaths were meaningless and the deaths weren’t the issue with the story lol.
This was good, kinda shocked that they didn't kill Edgar and Olivia but then again there's still one more episode as you said, can't wait to see the end!
Sorin finally showing everyone why he is so ungodly powerful. He, Jace, and Gideon have always been my favorite planeswalkers. It's like having a Belmont, a mage, and Alucard--how can any vampire survive?
Sorin's pathedic, If he really gave a damn hed stop being a goodboy and killem all. The famine finished years ago, all beings stands on the brink of extinction and the problem almost dead at his feet and he does nothing. Hes as bad as serra, these writers and there compation for evil discusses me.
@@CaulkMongler no interest in particular but Emrakul is about changing the natural characteristics of a world for it to start over. Machines aren't exactly kind to nature. Plus she is Uber powerful and it will take a lot to defeat the phyrexians. Since they seem to be going from world to world for mysterious objects, on Innistrad there is nothing more powerful than its moon.
The real questions that I hope Wizards avoids answering for as long as possible are: 1. Can an Eldrazi be compleated? and 2. Can an Eldrazi corrupt and unmake the glistening oil? The combined answers to these form the true endgame of the entire franchise.
@@juliahenriques210 Eldrazi can never be effected by Phyrexian oil the same way beings on Mirrodin were, plus corrupting their physical form wouldn’t make sense anyway because Eldrazi are extraplanar beings. Turning an Eldrazi Phyrexian would be akin to turning the rather itself Phyrexian. Phyrexian oil only really works against beings with metallic elements to their body, it’s not like the Phyrexians just walk into battle with huge tubs of oil to flash-corrupt their enemies. Oil has limits, it just got really absurdly lucky on mirrodin.
The amount of outright forgiveness in this story is so silly. Olivia and Co threatened to turn the whole plane into slavery and slaughter for all of humanity, but they just get off Scott free. Was the plan to just break into their manor, kill all the unnamed guards, and then watch them leave? I’m not even saying they should be killed, it just makes no sense that the characters were so passive about letting them go, and Teferi even says Sorin “did the right thing” (???).
Hey man, thx for the videos, always have fun listening to the lore with you. I have a question, maybe you could answer it. I am interested in making a Okaun/Zndrsplt deck, do those characters have any lore? I cant seem to find anything and would love to know more about them. Keep up the good work!
I'm wondering at that statement of Olivia's "you touch me only when I allow you to." ... that's an interesting phrasing, 2hat with the Markhov's being the premier bloodline & Edgar the overlord of the vamps. I know they stated her blood awakening him causing a bleed of her urges & emotions, but that is subservience... interesting. *edit... I see you mentioned it at the end🤦🏿♂️😂
@@AetherHub agreed, especially as all we know of Edgar & the Markhov's come from Sorin & is obviously tinted by his bias. I'm wondering how they intend this to play out, what development will this bring for Sorin, will he decide to journey out of plane in hurt & disgust or join the humans, werewolves, etc as a open defender of Innistrad? The 2nd oldest(iirc) planeswalker being portrayed as a naive child & that being the resolution is an ... odd narrative choice for growth.
I don't understand how there's no mercy for the underlings and they straight up kill all of them, but there's always mercy for the leaders. It's dumb af
only problem with the story is they have to keep every main character alive.....i mean they could kill one or two off but that would hurt sales. Its a safe story... which is kind of disappointing. but it was still enjoyable.
these are great, i have one small suggestion tho, when you switched from sorins perspective to arlinn pausing for a second would make the switch easier to process
Nice episode! Huh, I really though the blow Arlinn received in the last episode was much more.. Mortal. Having her pass away really would have made the story a lot more interesting and dramatic! However, it was nice to see more from Kaya o co, especially Teferi squaring off w Edgar himself (Wow, what I would give for some art for that)!! I would have liked to see Olivia pull off some more powerful feats instead of just fleeing from Werewolves (she is the main villain here, after all..)
I like the new dramatic reading format but the character voices break my immersion more than they add to it. That's just my two cents though. Also Arlin is the worst in this story, only slightly less pleasant than Olivia who we are supposed to dislike.
Sorin: Allow me to show you why I am THE lord of Innistrad.
Edgar: Why do I hear boss music.
Accurate
He got slapped around hard here lol. Which it was a longer fight!
Was not Edgar fighting some spirits and planeswalkers seconds earlier?
“Wait, this boss music isn’t mine….”
I think Tovalar did what he did because ultimately he loves Arlenn. Maybe not romantically. But he doesn't want her to die even if their goals don't align.
unfortunate that teferi hasn’t had a chance to shine, but the rest of the story has been pretty great!
He’s going to have a HUGE spot in the story arch to come.
I feel like 'powerlevels' are incredibly inconsistent in these stories
I like that he didn’t and that he was mostly supporting though. This one was mostly an Arlinn/Sorin set. However, I feel that the writing was lazy especially toward Edgar Markov’s side. There’s so much old information that could have been used to build this current arc.
Why Tovolar came to help Arlinn is simple; he loves her. Love makes fools of us all.
Here i was hoping Thalia and Odric would show up to the party as well.
Me too. Oh well. We only get that side story for them
@@AetherHub The side story was great.
I must confess I don't love Rivera's style, but the overall plot this time seems to make sense. What can we gather from the way it's written?
It seems to be that Sorin got it right. Edgar has never been truly charmed. He's using Olivia as much as she thinks she's using him. He's finally come to see his grampa for what he is: an ancestral noble playing chess with the world as pieces because that's all there is for him, that's all he know, that's all he is and will ever be. The reason why we expected so much more from Edgar is that we got to know him through the eyes of Sorin, who now realises how vastly he has overestimated the man.
For the first time Sorin realises that he himself is the one who sees the larger picture, that Innistrad is a mere backwater of the Multiverse, and that its squables are petty in comparison to what's out there. Edgar has been informed of the Travails, but hasn't fully grasped its meaning, the insignificance of such power struggles. Now that Sorin no longer sees him as an equal, he's looking around to see what and who else there is. He respects Teferi, at least, and that's a good start.
The reasons for sparing Edgar and Olivia are just circumstantial. Only Sorin would have spared Edgar, and it was him who did. Now Sorin despises Edgar, but doesn't fear him, and if Sorin went around Innistrad killing every dangerous being that could potentially commit atrocities in the future, how many of the powers that be would survive? And Arlinn wanted to secure the key above all else, not risk it in a fight. In fact, take a moment to appreciate the fact that there would have been no fight at all if Olivia had just handled over the key in the first place. It was Olivia's hubris that brought this down on her. I'm sure Arlinn would happily murder Olivia and Edgar any other day, though.
Can really be said to be circumstantial when Teferi tells Sorin he “did the right thing”? It seems like, for whatever reason, the author wanted all these characters alive at the end of the story, and I can’t help but think it’s because of future set products in Magic, and imo that’s something your reader should never think. Granted it’s probably Wizards’ decision of who gets to live in the narrative, but still.
he is a part of her pack she called he came. he said as much . after all she won the challenge for leadership at the massacre. he under estimated her resolve. Also I don't think he knows she's a Planeswalker .
I am afraid that we do not get the resolution to these arcs as we expected. For once the story serves the game and characters are either recycled ad nauseam or horribly asasinated ad Dovin Baan. Secondly I have learned not to put much hope in the dramatical talents of nowadays writers. They could draw a cool themes (that is why I even care in the first place) and pictures, however still mostly deriving from something already in existence. But then often comes the failiure of characters development or of building logical story structure.
I honestly believe if given more time (more than 5 articles) maybe it could be more fleshed out and a better ending could be the result. But we would never know because WOTC just doesn’t care enough
I’m afraid I just find their writers extremely lackluster. I’m not sure what the process is for development of the story, but the tropish bias is really strong. This season has really struggled to live up to the epic conflict of light and dark that has been the history of this plane to date.
The Wolves vs Olivia fight scene gives me strong Boss fight vibes.
Of course Edgar not dying Wizards have to reprint/make new Edgar cards for 💵
They still can with or without him living. Only if they need him for future set stories whether he lives or dies may be important.
So all that death and horror and Edgar runs off like a chump.
And Olivia and Edgar just....walk away?
Nothing changes. They still are the most powerful pair of blood suckers.
And when did E & O have time to concoct this plan?
Lots of things that make no sense
Lol I pictured Reinhart from his animatic when Tovolar said "you called for aid"
Great episode.. but yes, this werewolf drama is weird lol.
I know right. Just strange. Not sure why they wanted to tie this up like that lol
As a Vamp enthusiast:
… Am I the only one who feels hurt on a personal level by the way this whole Innistrad VOW story went?
Like: Vamps crushed, Sorin/Eddy-relationship broken, Olivia defeated; everything turning out as a “joke-alike” trip of Chandra and Friends…
No horror, no wedding, no seriousness, … only sadness :(
I’m sad about a few things. Honestly they didn’t do right by Olivia. The whole crazy bride thing was cool for a moment. But it really took away from her overall character.
@@AetherHub I guess they decided to make her the insufferable one so Angie can have the spotlight later. Wh knows?
This is one long story. I admire how you take the time to create these beautiful summaries despite their lengths. If they want to be long, the writers need to focus on other characters too instead of just Sorin and the Gatewatch (*cough cough* Thalia and Odric).
Arlinn and Adeline included (they focused on them too much in previous chapters)
Well done, though! 👏
Thank you sir!
Again, no one dies, nothing really changes. No risk taken in the story. Not exciting, just ok.
*Vamps thrown around like toys
Lackluster…
I agree. They need to take a risk again. WOTS failed and it had deaths. But most of those deaths were meaningless and the deaths weren’t the issue with the story lol.
Tovolar attacked Olivia because he knew if the wedding succeeded Vampires would dominate the entire plane which would be detrimental to her interests
I want Netflix to make a full origin story of the Markov household becoming vampires. This was too vague.
A bit disapointed, i expected much more from a Innistrad set.
This was good, kinda shocked that they didn't kill Edgar and Olivia but then again there's still one more episode as you said, can't wait to see the end!
Yeah they may play a future roll in the politics of Innistrad. Idk though
@@AetherHub good possibility
Sorin may just kill Olivia anyway, he has more than ample reason to.
@@bait668 true, I mean she did leave him in the stone
Are Innistrad's vampires following the normal vampires rules? If that so killing Edgard will kill all transformed by him.
Sorin finally showing everyone why he is so ungodly powerful. He, Jace, and Gideon have always been my favorite planeswalkers. It's like having a Belmont, a mage, and Alucard--how can any vampire survive?
Very mediocre story
Honestly I’d take middle of the road. It’s a huge improvement from what came before. Maybe it’s righting the ship lol
Sorin's pathedic, If he really gave a damn hed stop being a goodboy and killem all. The famine finished years ago, all beings stands on the brink of extinction and the problem almost dead at his feet and he does nothing. Hes as bad as serra, these writers and there compation for evil discusses me.
I wish there was a solid ending for this story... but, thanks for making it so interesting!
dude, good job with the animations!! make the video look way better!
You do Sorin’s voice really well these have been fun to listen to
Calling it now, Tovolar will become a phyrexian. I also think mama Emrakul will be the key to defeating them.
Hm what interest do you think the Eldrazi have in suppressing the Phyrexians?
@@CaulkMongler no interest in particular but Emrakul is about changing the natural characteristics of a world for it to start over. Machines aren't exactly kind to nature. Plus she is Uber powerful and it will take a lot to defeat the phyrexians. Since they seem to be going from world to world for mysterious objects, on Innistrad there is nothing more powerful than its moon.
The real questions that I hope Wizards avoids answering for as long as possible are: 1. Can an Eldrazi be compleated? and 2. Can an Eldrazi corrupt and unmake the glistening oil? The combined answers to these form the true endgame of the entire franchise.
@@juliahenriques210 Eldrazi can never be effected by Phyrexian oil the same way beings on Mirrodin were, plus corrupting their physical form wouldn’t make sense anyway because Eldrazi are extraplanar beings. Turning an Eldrazi Phyrexian would be akin to turning the rather itself Phyrexian. Phyrexian oil only really works against beings with metallic elements to their body, it’s not like the Phyrexians just walk into battle with huge tubs of oil to flash-corrupt their enemies. Oil has limits, it just got really absurdly lucky on mirrodin.
I lost interest in this story line. It really isn't all that good
🤷 it may have dragged on a bit
@@AetherHub i really do enjoy your post. I hope what I said didn't seem against you. The story just wasn't there
I loved Tovolars return. The enemy of my enemy is my friend
I just want Emrakul vs Phyrexians on Innistrad
Yikes. Talk about a horror show!
@@AetherHub Im sure everyone would love that
Sorry that the wedding got crashed
1st
“Old enemies return as powerful allies.”
Emeria: *_THE SOIL IS NOW FERTILE, BUT THE WEEDS MUST FIRST BE REMOVED._*
The amount of outright forgiveness in this story is so silly. Olivia and Co threatened to turn the whole plane into slavery and slaughter for all of humanity, but they just get off Scott free. Was the plan to just break into their manor, kill all the unnamed guards, and then watch them leave? I’m not even saying they should be killed, it just makes no sense that the characters were so passive about letting them go, and Teferi even says Sorin “did the right thing” (???).
Hey man, thx for the videos, always have fun listening to the lore with you. I have a question, maybe you could answer it. I am interested in making a Okaun/Zndrsplt deck, do those characters have any lore? I cant seem to find anything and would love to know more about them. Keep up the good work!
I'm wondering at that statement of Olivia's "you touch me only when I allow you to." ... that's an interesting phrasing, 2hat with the Markhov's being the premier bloodline & Edgar the overlord of the vamps. I know they stated her blood awakening him causing a bleed of her urges & emotions, but that is subservience... interesting.
*edit... I see you mentioned it at the end🤦🏿♂️😂
Yeah it’s hard for us the readers to know what is Edgar and what is this charm magic…
@@AetherHub agreed, especially as all we know of Edgar & the Markhov's come from Sorin & is obviously tinted by his bias.
I'm wondering how they intend this to play out, what development will this bring for Sorin, will he decide to journey out of plane in hurt & disgust or join the humans, werewolves, etc as a open defender of Innistrad?
The 2nd oldest(iirc) planeswalker being portrayed as a naive child & that being the resolution is an ... odd narrative choice for growth.
I don't understand how there's no mercy for the underlings and they straight up kill all of them, but there's always mercy for the leaders. It's dumb af
only problem with the story is they have to keep every main character alive.....i mean they could kill one or two off but that would hurt sales. Its a safe story... which is kind of disappointing. but it was still enjoyable.
Man I love Innistrad and it's respective lore so much. Sorin has more work to do.😀
these are great, i have one small suggestion tho, when you switched from sorins perspective to arlinn pausing for a second would make the switch easier to process
Sadge
Fantastic video! Thanks for all the hard work you do ❤️
Oh yeah story time
Enjoy friend. Thanks so much for watching!
Hi!!!
Always so supportive 😍
CALLED IT! Puppy Party!!!
Who let the dogs… in?
Can't watch for a few hours, but I'm psyched to see this soon!
Hope you enjoy it when you have time to watch! It’s a HUGE story
I wouldn't get too excited
Y do I actually hate Arlen…
I'm so excited
I really hope you enjoy this one :D
@@AetherHub loving it so far
@@AetherHub it was amazing
Did they turn my man Edgar into a simp? Wtf? I thought he was just charmed, but Sorin talks like Edgar just went along with it.
They heavily implied the charm magic. It’s even the name of his card. But then why Sorin just give up so easily?
Nice episode!
Huh, I really though the blow Arlinn received in the last episode was much more.. Mortal. Having her pass away really would have made the story a lot more interesting and dramatic!
However, it was nice to see more from Kaya o co, especially Teferi squaring off w Edgar himself (Wow, what I would give for some art for that)!! I would have liked to see Olivia pull off some more powerful feats instead of just fleeing from Werewolves (she is the main villain here, after all..)
*aren’t the main villain the party crashing people and dogs?
😭😭😭😭😭
Haha true!
I agree I wish Olivia didn’t just fold. And I really think WOTC is scared to kill off characters. It would have been a much bigger impact if they did
I like the new dramatic reading format but the character voices break my immersion more than they add to it. That's just my two cents though.
Also Arlin is the worst in this story, only slightly less pleasant than Olivia who we are supposed to dislike.
I’m going to get some real voice actors in here…
Wouldn't it be great to have Sorin join the gate watch, and how would it be beneficial for innistrad to lose 2 vampire progenitors?
He really should. Haha
Nah they already got Kaya (BW), unless they slot him in (B).
@@SoundsOfSushi so before Gideon's sacrifice they had double white.
@@SoundsOfSushi also don't they have double blue now?
@@jesok3761 jace is (U), Teferi is (UW)