I loved the video. Very informative. But a simple fix for the Stealth stock GLR-16-S cheek rest to stay in position would be to simply add a star lock washer in between the adjusting nut and guide. The washer will bite into the plastic on both the nut and guide and make it nearly impossible for it to move without breakage. I hope this helps.
at 3:55 - "Is going up to the Ashbury worth the extra 300 buck? . . . we'll make that determination at the end . . . ", but at the end, the determination *_WASN'T_* made
One correction: both rifles use the AICS short action magazines, which magpul makes a variant of. The magazines used in an AR10 are vastly different as the magazine release catches on the side like a standard AR15 PMAG, while the AICS magazines have a rear catch, hence the placement of the large mag release on both of these rifles
I did change the stock on my stealth and put it on my Adams arms 308 and if you tighten aggressively with plyers the bolts on the cheek riser it will stay up if hand tightened will not stay risen
Very nice review! I'm actually thinking about getting one of them. If you had the money for just one rifle, which would you buy? The RPR is also a serious contender. Thanks, Pat
Hello. I purchased a nice used Savage 10BA Stealth 308 from a gunshow yesterday. Can someone share with me what were the years of manufacturing these were offered? Thank you.
It's so cheap that Savage throws a CTR on to that Ashbury. You'd think that at this price point they could manage to include an actual precision rifle buttstock in the box!
sgav8r I agree. That stock is simply useless. I want looking at it in the store. And because of the flat top I will need high scope rings. And so that puts that stock way too low without a higher comb. Did they think anyone is going to shoot this with low iron sights?
The important thing here is, which one is more accurate? How does the Model 10 FCP-SR compare to these as far as accuracy? I'm getting about 0.7MOA out of mine without any modifications. Is it worthwhile spending 2x the $ for a Stealth or Ashbury?
I really like the forend of the Ashbury Precision a lot better than the BA Stealth, but man the CTR stock is worthless, and that's kind of a shame when you consider the bump in price.
The spring is very strong on the mag release. Make sure you hold it in all the way. That's what I do and no problems. I changed the stock for an XLR and its much nicer.
Seriously! I skipped to the end waiting for the recommendation, then watched all 16 minutes to make sure I didn't miss it. He didn't indicate a preference.
There’s no spring inside the buffer tube, but by using a standard tube for mounting the stock it allows users to choose from the already vast amount of stocks for the AR platform if they choose to upgrade.
Interesting Video, good info, except, the 6.5 Creedmoor is NOT high velocity, with a 140 grain bullet, it struggles to make 2,700 ft/sec. Which is only about 100 ft sec faster than a 308 with a 180 grain Bullet. Hardly high Velocity. Other than that BIG error, the info was spot on..
Actually, I stated the fact the 6.5 Creedmoor is simple not high velocity by today's standards, and never addressed the twist which has nothing to do with it's velocity. Today's standard of high velocity is in excess of 3,000 f/s, some even consider it at 3,400 f/s or faster. Especially with cartridges such as the old 22-250 and 220 swift and the .204 Ruger and the new ling of Nosler cartridges such as the Nosler 26 and others. Back to your reply directly, in just one sentence you managed to say several incorrect things which would mislead many about your comment.... "the 6.5 has a stupid twist of 1 in 10, instead of standard 1 in 8 twist" Where to start: 1. I know of no manufactures offering any twist less than 1 in 8 twist in the last few years. Some even at 1 in 7. The 150gr Match King Bullet from Sierra, requires at least 1 in 7.5 minimum. Recap: The Standard twist of the rifling in 6.5 Creedmoor rifle barrels is 1 in 8, the Bullets have no twist, the bullets are smooth. 2. Twist does not establish velocity. Stabilization requirements of a given bullet, does establish twist in the rifle barrel. 3. Velocity has nothing to do with twist, twist of the rifle barrel does effect the stabilizing of the bullet, but it does not control the velocity. 4. The 6.5 Creedmoor is limited to the velocity it has, simply due to the lack of volume of powder that the case can hold. Not twist. 5. The 140 grain 6.5 bullet will be unstable at any velocity with just a 1 in 10 twist, thus no current manufacture makes a 6.5 Creedmoor with less than a 1 in 8 twist. Foot Notes: 1. The 6.5 Creedmoor is not from the .308 case. The .260 Remington is from the .308 case. 2. The Origins of the .260 goes back to P.O. Ackley, many decades ago, it is not a new cartridge at all. It was known decades ago as the 6.5/.308. The 6.5/.308 and the 260 Remington are a little more than 100 f/s faster than the 6.5 Creedmoor, with the 140-143 grain bullets, both requiring 1 in 8 twist. 3. The parent case for the 6.5 Creedmoor, is the T/C 30 caliber cartridge, not the .308. Rifle twist is defined as: Example using the 1 in 8, Or 1:8 The number 1, means one full turn of the bullet. The number 8 means the distance in the barrel in inches, that the bullet will travel to complete one full turn So a 1:8 or 1 in 8, either way you write it, means in 8 inches the bullet will complete one full rotation. 1:10 means it takes 10 inches of travel down the barrel, for the bullet to make one full rotation. Thus the rate of twist is slower in a 1:10 vs a 1:8 twist rate.
@@singularityhunter couldn't agree with you more. I started to respond to the "high velocity" comment also. 6.5 Creedmoor is way over hyped. There's a lot of cartridges around the same caliber that will out perform it all day long. But anything to sell a "new" old cartridge I guess.
pepelapiu2004 I looked as well. I THINK I found the stock from magpul. PRS gen 3 was $254.95!! So, before you even shoot the gun you spend $1500 on the rifle, $254.95 on the stock and assuming $200 on the foregrip, haven't even put a scope on it and your ar $2k!!!
I'm confused based on your magazine commentary. Does the ashbury use aics or sr-25 magazines or both? Never seen an ar-10 that uses aics magazines, yet unclear whether ashbury will use both style magazines like you said? Thank you
Better stick with .308, 6.5cm is so small you can't kill game with it, sure it may go fast and have the penetrating power but it lacks the mass and muzzle velocity. The equation FORCE = MASS x ACCELERATION explains it all. If you were shooting through brush it would easily deflect in another direction and wind will blow it all over the place. Finally not every place sells 6.5 cm but on their other hand you can walk into any gun or hardware store and they will have .308
Dreamcrusher - MKV , you need to watch some ACTUAL shooting vids. The 6.5 Creedmore outshoots the 308 many times over. LESS wind drift, longer flatter ranges & far better extream range accuracy. By your own formula, a superior round ALL around.
Dave Jan I've shot both and the 308 is a jack of all trades it has the range (when you need it), the knock down power and muzzle velocity. The only thing 6.5 Creedmore is good for is target practice. No one hunts with 6.5 Creedmore because it won't kill anything you hit with it will just cripple it. Like I said before the bullet is so small it has no energy to transfer AND if shooting through brush you can say goodbye to the target cause it will deflect off somewhere else. So the 6.5 Creedmore has no other application than target practice
Dreamcrusher - MKV , The 6.5s longer length bullett makes it just as effective as a 308. Also less drift & flatter. As for killing ability its as good if not better & WAY furthur out. Ive hunted/killed everything in lower 48 North america w a 22 long rifle. (Up close brain shots). So dont try to feed me your stuff about the 308. Its NOT that great. And in Alaska where I hunt, its considered a JOKE. Minimum up close/in your face is a 300 win mag. And THAT IS MINIMAL. Before the 6.5 the favorite was the 270 for long ranges. Ive pulled too many 308 FMJ slugs out of healthy bears. Not enough velocity to penetrate to the vitals. For the lower 48, 308 fine. But I'll take a small rocket that goes through than a fat slow bullet that dosent.(Except for the 45/70) An icepick in the heart kills, a body slam dosent. All a matter of penetration effectiveness on different targets/ hunting conditions. But, for what its worth, I know a father son team that regularly hunt black bears w a 223. 55 grain FMJs through the heart/head. I wouldnt, but they do. 100 yds or less. They wont use a 308 either. Too many run offs. Ive also had devastating performance w a 30:06 w 220 grain soft roundnose. (300 yds) Why 100 FPS makes such a difference is beyond me. Go figure....
Dave Jan like you said it all comes down to what your hunting and the conditions. I'm just so used to shooting my 308 that it is my go to round but I plan on getting the BA stealth in 300 win. mag. And I don't have an extensive gun collection like you. The only calibers that I personally own are 22 LR, 9mm, .30 cal(for my m1 carbine), 5.56/.223, 270, 308, 8mm Mauser and 45/70. I know that's not a lot of calibers but they do what they're supposed to do and before you bash how few calibers I own, I'm only 16 and have enough guns FOR NOW maybe in the future I will expand my horizons and try new calibers but right now they're working just fine BTW I hope that father and son team upgrades to a bigger round they might just encounter a bear that takes more than a headshot. Have a nice day :)
Dreamcrusher - MKV , you have more guns than I do! But Im pushing 70 & have run the course. (Rifle wise) My favorite is the 22 hornet & the 45/70. Plus the 44 mag pistol. As for my 223 friends they only hunt in Black bear country. Blackies are easy to kill. The Griz on the other hand, whole different ball game. I knew a bush lady who only had a 22 long rifle & she killed griz by shooting them in the eye up close!! Gutsy Lady!! Not me bud, give me my 45/70 w hot heavy Grizzly loads !! I might be Alaskan bush crazy, but Im not THAT crazy!! 😁
I loved the video. Very informative. But a simple fix for the Stealth stock GLR-16-S cheek rest to stay in position would be to simply add a star lock washer in between the adjusting nut and guide. The washer will bite into the plastic on both the nut and guide and make it nearly impossible for it to move without breakage. I hope this helps.
at 3:55 - "Is going up to the Ashbury worth the extra 300 buck? . . . we'll make that determination at the end . . . ", but at the end, the determination *_WASN'T_* made
One correction: both rifles use the AICS short action magazines, which magpul makes a variant of. The magazines used in an AR10 are vastly different as the magazine release catches on the side like a standard AR15 PMAG, while the AICS magazines have a rear catch, hence the placement of the large mag release on both of these rifles
I did change the stock on my stealth and put it on my Adams arms 308 and if you tighten aggressively with plyers the bolts on the cheek riser it will stay up if hand tightened will not stay risen
Great review! Thanks for taking the time.
Really great and detailed video.
the stealth cheek rest will deform with pressure. I corrected this by cutting up neoprene and two sided tape between rest and stock.
Very nice review! I'm actually thinking about getting one of them. If you had the money for just one rifle, which would you buy? The RPR is also a serious contender. Thanks, Pat
I didn't have the problem with the cheak riser but I put rolled foam under it till I changed it out
I'd love to see the Savage (Ashbury or Stealth) compared to the new Tikka T3x TAC A1
If one comes thorough the store, I will try and do that. Thanks for the suggestion!
Agreed, I am between an Ashbury and the TAC A1. That savage rebate sure is tempting.
Richard S yes the rebate of $150 makes the Savage very very tempting
Joe Ross Me too. Kudos to Savage for giving the gun industry the “Accu-Trigger”.
Hello. I purchased a nice used Savage 10BA Stealth 308 from a gunshow yesterday. Can someone share with me what were the years of manufacturing these were offered? Thank you.
It's so cheap that Savage throws a CTR on to that Ashbury. You'd think that at this price point they could manage to include an actual precision rifle buttstock in the box!
sgav8r I'm wondering if they just assumed people would upgrade the stock anyway so they put the cheapest thing they could on it
sgav8r
I agree. That stock is simply useless. I want looking at it in the store. And because of the flat top I will need high scope rings. And so that puts that stock way too low without a higher comb.
Did they think anyone is going to shoot this with low iron sights?
I put 10 rounds in my savage stealth magazine all the time. Tight, but it works.
The important thing here is, which one is more accurate?
How does the Model 10 FCP-SR compare to these as far as accuracy? I'm getting about 0.7MOA out of mine without any modifications.
Is it worthwhile spending 2x the $ for a Stealth or Ashbury?
What rifle has the fastest barrel from the factory is it the savage stealth or the Savage ashberry or the ruger precision or the tikka t3 tac1?
I really like the forend of the Ashbury Precision a lot better than the BA Stealth, but man the CTR stock is worthless, and that's kind of a shame when you consider the bump in price.
if I had the money I'd go for the ash . in 308 . she looks easy too use an a nice fit . ATB you an yours .
Butt pad on the Stealth opens up and there is a small storage area the size of 2 batteries.
Are they both heavy barrels.Thank you for the video
Where can I get parts for the stealth?
Doesn't the Stealth come with a 10 round mag?
yes, yes it does.
For some reason my 10 round Magpul mags don’t fall freely and have to be pushed in and pulled out decently hard to go in
The spring is very strong on the mag release. Make sure you hold it in all the way. That's what I do and no problems. I changed the stock for an XLR and its much nicer.
Richard Webb yea mines an ash bury precision chassis and it’s very difficult
tank you very much.
Thanks for watching!
:( I didn't hear which one you liked better or preferred ? Ashburry looks to be a better buy IMO~
Seriously! I skipped to the end waiting for the recommendation, then watched all 16 minutes to make sure I didn't miss it. He didn't indicate a preference.
Basics: what purpose does a Buffer Tube serve on a bolt-action rifle? Do people think Is it just cool to have a captive spring inside your gun?
Wait...thats an actual buffer tube? No wonder the rifle looks so fucking odd.
There’s no spring inside the buffer tube, but by using a standard tube for mounting the stock it allows users to choose from the already vast amount of stocks for the AR platform if they choose to upgrade.
Thanks, Noah!
Does the 10BA stealth and the Ashbury Precision 6.5 creedmoor use the same action (receiver and bolt) as the Savage 10 FCP 6.5 creedmoor?
AverageLRShooter yes
Yes
Interesting Video, good info, except, the 6.5 Creedmoor is NOT high velocity, with a 140 grain bullet, it struggles to make 2,700 ft/sec. Which is only about 100 ft sec faster than a 308 with a 180 grain Bullet. Hardly high Velocity. Other than that BIG error, the info was spot on..
Actually, I stated the fact the 6.5 Creedmoor is simple not high velocity by today's standards, and never addressed the twist which has nothing to do with it's velocity.
Today's standard of high velocity is in excess of 3,000 f/s, some even consider it at 3,400 f/s or faster. Especially with cartridges such as the old 22-250 and 220 swift and the .204 Ruger and the new ling of Nosler cartridges such as the Nosler 26 and others.
Back to your reply directly, in just one sentence you managed to say several incorrect things which would mislead many about your comment....
"the 6.5 has a stupid twist of 1 in 10, instead of standard 1 in 8 twist"
Where to start:
1. I know of no manufactures offering any twist less than 1 in 8 twist in the last few years. Some even at 1 in 7. The 150gr Match King Bullet from Sierra, requires at least 1 in 7.5 minimum.
Recap: The Standard twist of the rifling in 6.5 Creedmoor rifle barrels is 1 in 8, the Bullets have no twist, the bullets are smooth.
2. Twist does not establish velocity. Stabilization requirements of a given bullet, does establish twist in the rifle barrel.
3. Velocity has nothing to do with twist, twist of the rifle barrel does effect the stabilizing of the bullet, but it does not control the velocity.
4. The 6.5 Creedmoor is limited to the velocity it has, simply due to the lack of volume of powder that the case can hold. Not twist.
5. The 140 grain 6.5 bullet will be unstable at any velocity with just a 1 in 10 twist, thus no current manufacture makes a 6.5 Creedmoor with less than a 1 in 8 twist.
Foot Notes:
1. The 6.5 Creedmoor is not from the .308 case. The .260 Remington is from the .308 case.
2. The Origins of the .260 goes back to P.O. Ackley, many decades ago, it is not a new cartridge at all. It was known decades ago as the 6.5/.308.
The 6.5/.308 and the 260 Remington are a little more than 100 f/s faster than the 6.5 Creedmoor, with the 140-143 grain bullets, both requiring 1 in 8 twist.
3. The parent case for the 6.5 Creedmoor, is the T/C 30 caliber cartridge, not the .308.
Rifle twist is defined as:
Example using the 1 in 8, Or 1:8
The number 1, means one full turn of the bullet.
The number 8 means the distance in the barrel in inches, that the bullet will travel to complete one full turn
So a 1:8 or 1 in 8, either way you write it, means in 8 inches the bullet will complete one full rotation.
1:10 means it takes 10 inches of travel down the barrel, for the bullet to make one full rotation. Thus the rate of twist is slower in a 1:10 vs a 1:8 twist rate.
@@singularityhunter couldn't agree with you more. I started to respond to the "high velocity" comment also. 6.5 Creedmoor is way over hyped. There's a lot of cartridges around the same caliber that will out perform it all day long. But anything to sell a "new" old cartridge I guess.
I looked. I just can't find where I could buy all those other forends the video shows. Anybody here knows?
pepelapiu2004 I looked as well. I THINK I found the stock from magpul. PRS gen 3 was $254.95!! So, before you even shoot the gun you spend $1500 on the rifle, $254.95 on the stock and assuming $200 on the foregrip, haven't even put a scope on it and your ar $2k!!!
What stock is on that stealth model?
Drake arms for bought out though cant remember who though
is rail 0 or 20 MOA?
My stealth is a 0. but I've heard others came with 20.
I'm confused based on your magazine commentary. Does the ashbury use aics or sr-25 magazines or both? Never seen an ar-10 that uses aics magazines, yet unclear whether ashbury will use both style magazines like you said?
Thank you
Referring to around 7:30 mark of bideo
It uses aics mags. He made a mistake.
As somebody who bought a APO you spend $300 to be able to fold the buttstock. Both buttstocks are not suitable and you'll replace them.
damn good side by side
Thanks for watching!
Savage stealth comes with a 10 round magazine
you are wrong about using the AR 10 mags it will not i just got a Ashbury and i have a AR 10 not even close .
Better stick with .308, 6.5cm is so small you can't kill game with it, sure it may go fast and have the penetrating power but it lacks the mass and muzzle velocity. The equation FORCE = MASS x ACCELERATION explains it all. If you were shooting through brush it would easily deflect in another direction and wind will blow it all over the place. Finally not every place sells 6.5 cm but on their other hand you can walk into any gun or hardware store and they will have .308
Dreamcrusher - MKV , you need to watch some ACTUAL shooting vids. The 6.5 Creedmore outshoots the 308 many times over. LESS wind drift, longer flatter ranges & far better extream range accuracy. By your own formula, a superior round ALL around.
Dave Jan I've shot both and the 308 is a jack of all trades it has the range (when you need it), the knock down power and muzzle velocity. The only thing 6.5 Creedmore is good for is target practice. No one hunts with 6.5 Creedmore because it won't kill anything you hit with it will just cripple it. Like I said before the bullet is so small it has no energy to transfer AND if shooting through brush you can say goodbye to the target cause it will deflect off somewhere else. So the 6.5 Creedmore has no other application than target practice
Dreamcrusher - MKV , The 6.5s longer length bullett makes it just as effective as a 308. Also less drift & flatter. As for killing ability its as good if not better & WAY furthur out. Ive hunted/killed everything in lower 48 North america w a 22 long rifle. (Up close brain shots). So dont try to feed me your stuff about the 308. Its NOT that great. And in Alaska where I hunt, its considered a JOKE. Minimum up close/in your face is a 300 win mag. And THAT IS MINIMAL. Before the 6.5 the favorite was the 270 for long ranges. Ive pulled too many 308 FMJ slugs out of healthy bears. Not enough velocity to penetrate to the vitals. For the lower 48, 308 fine. But I'll take a small rocket that goes through than a fat slow bullet that dosent.(Except for the 45/70) An icepick in the heart kills, a body slam dosent. All a matter of penetration effectiveness on different targets/ hunting conditions. But, for what its worth, I know a father son team that regularly hunt black bears w a 223. 55 grain FMJs through the heart/head. I wouldnt, but they do. 100 yds or less. They wont use a 308 either. Too many run offs. Ive also had devastating performance w a 30:06 w 220 grain soft roundnose. (300 yds) Why 100 FPS makes such a difference is beyond me. Go figure....
Dave Jan like you said it all comes down to what your hunting and the conditions. I'm just so used to shooting my 308 that it is my go to round but I plan on getting the BA stealth in 300 win. mag. And I don't have an extensive gun collection like you. The only calibers that I personally own are 22 LR, 9mm, .30 cal(for my m1 carbine), 5.56/.223, 270, 308, 8mm Mauser and 45/70. I know that's not a lot of calibers but they do what they're supposed to do and before you bash how few calibers I own, I'm only 16 and have enough guns FOR NOW maybe in the future I will expand my horizons and try new calibers but right now they're working just fine BTW I hope that father and son team upgrades to a bigger round they might just encounter a bear that takes more than a headshot. Have a nice day :)
Dreamcrusher - MKV , you have more guns than I do! But Im pushing 70 & have run the course. (Rifle wise) My favorite is the 22 hornet & the 45/70. Plus the 44 mag pistol. As for my 223 friends they only hunt in Black bear country. Blackies are easy to kill. The Griz on the other hand, whole different ball game. I knew a bush lady who only had a 22 long rifle & she killed griz by shooting them in the eye up close!! Gutsy Lady!! Not me bud, give me my 45/70 w hot heavy Grizzly loads !! I might be Alaskan bush crazy, but Im not THAT crazy!! 😁
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the Ashbury looks like ass from the trigger guard back. the grip is an after thought.
Those are the ugliest rifles I ever seen...I'll take a manners, McMillan stock any day. Stealth sounds cooler than Assberry. Lol