I also forgot to mention that, while Cain didn't even believe it was Diablo in Tristram, until it was too late other orders took it seriously, and all three heroes such as The Rogues & the Vizjerei sent heroes to investigate. So, only the last of the Horadrim, the sworn Greater evil hunters, didn't believe in their own orders philosophy, yet everyone else seemed to.
@@Guildelin I dunno its a strange piece of lore they injected later too. I mean he could have started not believing, but as soon as he did, arming himself with knowledge & power throughout the series.
Deckard Cain is smart but that doesn't mean that he's isn't an idiot, even smart people do stupid things... the stupid don't own the monopoly on it. I agree that he's shortsighted, but I'll add that he's foolhardy and ignorantly dismissive of the schemes that surround him. Hell, he doesn't even realize that he's being used by Diablo by the time of the events of D3, someone as smart as he is supposed to be should've figured it out by that time... one would think...
IIRC what was said about Cain is that he was apathetic about the horadric text. IIRC he even said so, basically saying if it wasn't for his apathy he would've been strong enough to stop Diablo himself. No different than Leah decades later that had the same apathy as he did. Apathy isn't stupidity or any sign of being dumb. It just means that you don't put that much faith in what you are being told. You are liable to say to the ones telling you about the text you are reading too much into them just like Leah did Cain in D3.
Adria did not dump leah on Cain. She dumped her on Gillian The Barmaid, Gillian was driven mad by the events of the darkening of tristram, and when leah was roughly 7-8 cain met her by accident, where she confessed she was afraid of leah and asked him to take her. Cain Obliged. He had no way of knowing for sure she (leah) was really adria's and diablo's daughter because gillians mental state had deteriorated to the point where most of the time she wasn't fit to be among other people, she did not have a good grasp of reality. Also, he didn't know leah was to become Diablo's vessel (At the time he started training her he didn't even know for sure Adria was a follower of the demons, he only learned that after years of having been taking care of Leah, plus, Cain knew he was old, and wouldn't live much longer, he needed somebody he could mold into a successor of the horadrim so the world wasn't in danger once he died, and Leah was pretty much all he had access to. Also, Cain did not deliver the secrets of the horadrim to the burning hells through leah, Tal Rasha had been Baal's host for centuries already, and he was not able to keep his mind closed the demon, so all horadrim secrets would have been known to baal long before leah became diablo's vessel. that is assuming that when the great evils take over you they gain all your knowledge and memories, which is never stated as far as i know.
The D3 devs reason for killing him was kind of dumb though. They were quoted as saying something to the extent of "no one liked decard cain anyway". Which just shows how much they know about Diablo's fanbase, and the game itself.
I think Cain was never meant to be smarter then any hero or prime evil, he was simply a wise, truthful friend for a hero on a perilous, epic journey. The real idiot is the D3 writers.
I totally agreed with you. Exemple: In Diablo 3, when we finally have the black soulstones (who have disapear long time ago), we learn the black soulstones absorb the souls of all DEAD Lords of Hell, right?. Ok that explain how Diablo, Mephisto and Baal have been trap into it after we kill each of them AND destroy there personnal soulstones (the Red, Blue and Yellow(because it's would be really stupid from Tyrael just leaving the Baal soulstones behind after destroying the Stones World)). But later in D3, after defeating Belial and Azmodan, we learn and see Leah using a spell for capturing the souls of Belial and Azmodan into the black soulstones. If no one have found the black soulstones until D3, who have used the black soulstones and casting THIS spell for capturing the souls of Diablo, Mephisto and Baal in D2 exactly?
@@louisprevost892 Exactly. In Diablo 3 the enemies like AzmoDUMB want to be intelligent and threathening, but end up revealing their foolishness. In the "Black soulstone sequence" he even reveals his plans to leah. Why would any intelligent enemy do that? exactly. There is much more to say, Cain in general is a great character, he just got ruined by bad writing in D3...
He probably tried to raise Leah in a way that she could be a force against evil instead of an ally. Really, Leah's fall was Tyreal's fault for not taking notice how Adria was treating Leah in a fairly sadistic manner. I mean, Archangel of Justice just stands aside as abuse from a parent goes on just so he can accomplish his own selfish goal of ending the conflict by any means, even at the suffering of a young woman.
That's D3's bad writing in a nutshell. Existing characters are totally out of character, new characters are totally misused. There are good ideas there, but none of them are executed well.
A scribe with all the knowledge and secrets of the Horadrim at his disposal. If he really wanted to, if he wasn't so ignorant to things going on around him, he could've easily learned several potent spells in his younger years, could've studied techniques used by the Horadrim and at least pass them on to someone else by the time of Diablo 1. We see him as an old man from the start. What has he been doing his whole life?
He is not an idiot. 2012 ruined him. Edit: He had no way in knowing Diablo could take over peoples mind and that the people he helped were weak willed in Tristrim. He had no way in knowing Izual manipulated the Horadrium. A scholar can't always see what is in front of him, he admits that in Diablo 2 and helps destroying the Soul Stones. That should've been where his story ends and should never had appeared in D3. Edit 2: Diablo 3 was a poo-stain on the series stories and crushed intelligent and well-written characters into versions of themselves that are completely different and fast tracked a story that should've been slower
In my mind diablo 3 never existed and its a better world without it. If i want to play something like a newer version of diablo 2 i play Path of Exile (avoiding the micro transactions at all cost), in all reality PoE is a much better successor to diablo 2, and has a totally unique story that doesn't shit on d2 so works for me.
If your sequels story requires all of the previously beloved characters to be idiots in order to make sense, then your a bad writer. This is why I am done with Blizzard.
El'druin cannot harm any being with righteous intent, and Malthael's actions although ethically dubious could be justified. He might have been driven mad trying to understand life and death, he might've became the aspect of Death, but he was still the Archangel of Wisdom. After the defeat and imprisonment of the Prime Evil within the Black Soulstone, the only source of demonic corruption was on Sanctuary itself. The only threat to order and to the Heavens would be the return of the Nephalem, which the Diablo 3 protagonist also proved were getting far more powerful (likely the Diablo 3 protagonist was one of the Nephalem whose powers were activated by Lilith before she was banished a second time by Inarius). Rathma and Zoltun Kulle also proved that the Nephalem could easily be swayed towards evil, and couldn't be relied on. If Malthael was successful in using the Black Soulstone to capture all demonic essence on Sanctuary, he would've ended any threat posed by the Nephalem and ensured that the High Heavens won the Eternal Conflict. His only problem was that the Soulstone would not differentiate between Nephalem and humanity that descended from Inarius and Lilith, though he viewed eradicating humanity as a negligible side effect and justified given that humanity tends to gravitate more towards their demonic nature anyway. That is why Tyrael couldn't harm Malthael, and Tyrael's angelic soul is why Malthael didn't kill him. After Malthael's attack on the Pandominum Gate in the High Heavens however, El'druin would be able to strike him IF it was able to harm Malthael within Pandemonium (and within his 'between life and death' state). Certainly after he absorbed Diablo's soul. There, Malthael wasn't acting with righteous intent and was acting out of desperation to slow the Nephalem down.
Kinda my line of thinking. I figured that a sword may not be able to tell if someone is batshit insane. In Malthaels mind he was totally doing the correct and righteous. So his intentions were absolutely pure and righteous....in his own mind.
Well i think Cain was just happy that he got, with leah, someone to pass on his knowlege. Remember Guys he was an old lonely man without a family and someone to pass on his legacy, the legacy of the hoadrim. Every man in his position would have thrown away all caution and accepted that child to teach and as some kind of family. Its just sad how everything ended and that we didnt got a second dlc in which we rescued Leah from Hell.
Most of the things he is a fool for are things that would have required knowledge that only the player was privy to, or, are simply things that need him to be a lot more calculating and less caring, as he stubbornly believes his friend to simply be depressed while whoops he was actually possessed by Diablo, and the girl, well, he constantly attempts to get her to control herself, he’s sadly too much of an optimist.
Sadly the story of Cain’s life is basically... *Spidey-senses tingling* Cain: “Nah...it will be fine...still...better start writing down my instant regret now...”
You think it a coincidence he always manages to be in the middle of the conflict, sometimes even "captured", yet somehow manage to stay alive despite being seemingly helpless? You think it foolishness that his strategies seem to somehow be either, at best, completely pointless or, worse, even end up perpetuating the war or strengthening the forces of hell? How convenient, isn't it, that he just so happens to be "The Last Horadrim", and there's no one who can go against his scholarly "advice"? Convenient that he just so happens to be in charge of Diablo's spawn and that she eventually finds the soulstone? And he has you thinking he's an idiot? Cain laughs. The Lord of Deceit has hoodwinked you all.
If only blizzard writers could be as smart and not turning complicated , interested characters like adria , kael thas, etc to simplistic evil caricatures that just out of nowhere went corrupted , crazy , power hungry cause reasons
Cain: "i do not understand why the arch bishop turned into darkness. " Me: "have you seen lazarus lair? Those place is filled by ton of succubus. I guess we can draw the conclusion here lol"
I know this video is super old, but honestly, I think you're being a bit hard on Cain. To start with, although he identifies himself as the last member of the Horadric Order, he is, in fact, simply a scholar with a fascination surrounding the old stories of the Horadrim. Stories of his ancestor enthralled him as a child, and he dedicated his life to learning as much about them as he could, while not actively believing in the stories themselves. So, when things went bonkers in Tristram, even though his spider senses were tingling, he ignored them, specifically because he did not actually believe that Hell and the Evils existed. As events in Diablo 1 progressed, Cain worked very closely with the three heroes, and over time, began to see them as his close friends (even though he charged them to identify stuff). When they returned, he, along with everybody in Tristram, was incredibly relieved, believing that Diablo and his machinations had been stopped. When Adrian started to show signs of corruption, this old man, who had only recently learned that the Evils actually even existed, believed that the prince was simply depressed, disturbed deeply and traumatized by his encounters with violent death and literal demons in literal Hell. Including the literal lord of terror itself. He was still naive to the true corruption and ingenuity of the Greater Evils, and was compassionate to his ailing friend. Yes, Dekard Cain did suspect that Leah was the progeny of Diablo through his possession of Adrian, while also suspecting that Adria (wonder if their names being almost the same was intentional) was pretty suspicious. However, he also sensed that Leah's soul, despite her parentage, was innocent. Sure, he could have murdered a baby - that would have prevented a lot of catastrophe later on. But this isn't Warhammer 40k or Song of Ice and Fire - Diablo is a story of Good verses Evil, and Cain was on the side of Good. He hoped instead to foster Leah to the side of good, raising her as a Horadrim in the hopes that, with her inherited power and her pure soul, she would be a force of good against the forces of Evil - and she *was,* even if she ultimately failed. Admittedly, it was foolish of him, in his final moments, not to reveal Leah's or Adria's true natures to the characters. Perhaps he was worried that, if they knew the truth, they would Destroy Leah? Although more likely, they simply would not have trusted Adria, and her plans would have been foiled. Cain didn't die from restoring Tyrial's sword - he was dying anyway, and wanted to make sure that the former Archangel recovered not only his angelic weapon, but his memories as well. Yes, it's true, Tyrial was absolutely useless all throughout Diablo 3, but that wasn't any fault of Cain's. What Cain Did do: Provided invaluable knowledge to Adrian and the other heroes in Tristram. Had he not done so, the town would have surely fallen much sooner, and Diablo would have walked the earth. This happened anyway, but Cain did everything in his power to stop it. In Diablo 2, his services were invaluable, guiding the seven heroes to ancient artifacts, instructing them on their uses, providing essential lore so that they might confront the forces of hell. Not only was his guidance essential in defeating 5 of the 7 Evils, is also helped them save 4 different settlements from absolute destruction, and he even fallowed them into Hell itself. Luckily, for whatever reason, the hell portal took him and the party to Pandemonium Fortress instead of straight to Diablo himself, but he couldn't have known that would be the case. After Baal was defeated and Areat destroyed, he gave Leah, an innocent, a rich and fulfilling life, despite strongly suspecting her less then savory heritage. At the same time, he diligently studied ruins, texts and artifacts all over Sanctuary in the hopes of preventing what he believed was the coming of the end of days - but he was only one man, last scholar of a dead order, and he was too late. That said, despite his experiences and all he'd done for Sanctuary in the past, no one was willing to believe his stories, or that Evil could return. Again, this was a failing of others, more then a failing of his own, as had his words been taken seriously, Sanctuary may have been ready to face Belial and Azmodan, and the resurrection of Diablo might have been avoided.
I thought the Leah story was a cool concept with a suitably dark and horrifying conclusion, but the way some of it was written in the game didnt quite meet its potential. Ironically Leah would have had a claim on the vacant throne of Khonduras, which could have been an interesting angle. It's always bothered me that her dormant uncontrollable power along with the totally insane things that happen around her & Cain (demonic cults, spirits, an invasion of the undead) make all of her talk of "uncle's crazy stories" seem somewhat absurd and out of place. It's also pretty strange that Leah was the progeny of a witch & a man possessed by an immensely powerful demon lord and had innate magical abilities beyond her comprehension but was completely well-adjusted, kind, caring and friendly. You'd think a young woman conceived by the Dark Wanderer as a vessel for the Lord of Terror would be troubled, distant, perhaps haunted by fears, nightmares, or disturbing premonitions. Which leads to another issue: if Cain the Horadric scholar "always suspected" that Leah was in fact the daughter of Diablo, wouldn't he have thought to put some safeguards in place to prevent her from being possessed or turned towards evil! He raised her like a daughter but left her possible demonic heritage completely to chance, despite his advanced age meaning he wouldn't be around forever. The writing in D3 was good in concept but there were many holes in the execution. Much like the aesthetic change to cartoon fantasy, it was also written like a cartoon, or a superhero comic book/movie, with grand ideas and a lot of references to the lore, but full of lazy cliches and plot holes that are glossed over.
Last I checked, Cain wasn't present when the Horadrim imprisoned the Prime Evils. He was a fool for not taking his teaching (that was past down from generation to generation) seriously. I wasn't a fan of Cain because he used to charge me money and, later decided to take partial credit of work that I've done to kill Baal.
Well, It is hard to get one up on the forces of evil speacially when the guy you are fighting is the title of the game..Lets be frank,Diablo wins via asspull a lot..Would not be shocked if somehow the Nemp getting power was somehow his master plot in 4
@@sebasteanjanzen1210 he doesn't unless you dont save him in tristram. if you skip that quest he charges you. his reward for helping him is identifying items at no charge.
We all deserved better than D3 but writing was atrocious everything was a mess , characters become so simplistic and one dimensional , way too predictable , boring , blunt and moronic
"It's okay to kill a child" -Dark LORE Dash, 2020 Cain taking Lea in was not an idiot move. Could she become a threat, yes, could she of been a force for good, yes. Don't forget Lea never chose to become a monster. Her mother forced her to become one. Deckard saw a child who could be guided to the light and he had done so, making her a powerful force of good and someone who could follow in his footsteps... That was not an idiotic move, especially since he thought Adria was dead.
I've wondered, since Cain like you said, made so many mistakes leading to the events of D3, perhaps he set them in motion on purpose. Both Farnham and Adria gossip about Cain saying he knows more than he says and knows he knows himself. Maybe he comes back as a primary antagonist?
Great video Dash! I cannot argue any specific points you make here. This all serves to further prove the old adage, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." Adventure on my friend!
Cain was old and freil....he was a scholar not a warrior mage, I think this was made very clear. He sensed that something was wrong with Aiden after he defeated diablo, but he thought it was due to the stresses hero had undergone to physically defeat Diablo and his minions. Aiden never told Cain what he had done with the soulstone he took from Diablo, he never told Cain he imbued himself with the soulstone....as far as Cain was concerned the stone and diablo were dostroyed and banished from mortal realm. So you can't really blame Cain for inaction, he was not a warrior mage, he was an old, frail Horodrim scholar...keeper of knowledge not a fighter. But you can also blame Blizzard's lazy writing and continuation issues with the story too....
Allright stop, stay a while and listen, Deckard Cain is back with a brand new mission, Something grabs a hold of him tightly Flow like a harpoon daily and nightly "Will it ever stop?" Yo, he don't know Turn off the lights, huh, and he'll glow To the extreme, he rocks a mic like a vandal Light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle Dance, rush the speaker that booms He's killing your brain like a poisonous mushroom Deadly when he plays a dope melody Anything less than the best is a felony Love it or leave it, you better gangway You better hit the bullseye, the old man don't play And if there was a problem, yo, he'll solve it Check out the hook while Deckard Cain revolves it
With Justice gone and Wisdom dead, Valor becomes Malice and the angelic host turns it's back on humanity. These are dark days indeed, brother, but Mother Lilith will bring back Sanctuary.
The other members of the Brotherhood might have been more proactive and took the fight to Evil, but they're also all dead, while Cain lived to try and guide Heroes for decades to come.
I'm surprise the Prime Evils didn't even bother to kill Cain from the beginning. Otherwise, these adventures wouldn't know the ways to beat demons/diablo 😂
It is possibly to be both a genius and an idiot at the same time. Highly intelligent people may overlook simple solutions to problems and constantly fail to see that what is obvius to them isn't for common people. Yes I am above avarage intelligence and have personal experience of these pitfalls. My "common knowledge" may be very special trivia for others. Be careful.
Maybe if he told Leah the truth and show he still loved her then perhaps they could've worked together to find a solution to stop Diablo and Leah's mom once and for all... But then we wouldn't have a story.
How exactly did the Horadrim dwindle to a last member? These mere mortals actively fought and defeated (temporarily at least) the Greater Evils. The were also well aware these victories were temporary. And they STILL let membership dwindle to next to nothing. Did they think the Lesser and Greater Evils would just forget about Sanctuary? That the Evils would just go back to the pointless stalemate that existed before Sanctuary?
In defense of him raising Leah, I don't think she was actually evil(despite being Diablo's daughter). It wasn't until she was forcibly possessed by Diablo and the black soulstone, and I would say at that point she was dead.
I've always thought that the reason why Tyrael's sword can't damaga Malthael because he surrounded himself with death and can only be damaged by a person who done the same,or something like that was in a quest.
A good video topic: Why didn't Deckard Cain get a proper Cinematic ending, when he deserved it so well, instead he got an ingame cutscene by a stupid witch. Another good topic: Why a demonic pupeteer as a class would be interesting, combining Necromancer and Witch Doctor into one. Another topic: Wolcen: Lords of Mayhem.
So the mysterious grave could be Deckard Cain's? Wouldn't it be funny if the person talking at the grave is Farnham the drunk from the original Diablo? It could explain why he is holding a drink and how he knows Cain.
He would need to look older though. Theres 10 years gap between the first two games and diablo 3 and then another few decades between diablo 3 and diablo 4.
@@shinon748 Diablo 2 takes place 6 months after Diablo Diablo Immortal takes place 10 years after Diablo 2 Diablo 3 takes place 10 years after Diablo Immortal Diablo 4 takes place 10 years after Diablo 3 Farnham would be 30 and 1/2 years older than he was in Diablo
A little bit unfair, and I would definitely not agree with you. There are a couple of things I want to correct you on: first, you also said this in your video on Adria that Leah was left in Deckard Cain’s care by the witch. That is not true, Adria left Leah in Gillian’s care. Deckard Cain did not meet Leah until she was 8 and didn’t become her guardian until Gillian tried to kill the both of them by burning down her own house. Second, Cain never viewed the Horadric tales as true until King Leoric went mad, before that point, the Horadric tales were just stories. At that time, the Horadrim were nonexistent and it wasn’t until Cain met Adria and they began sharing their knowledge with each other that he began to consider himself a Horadrim. Lastly, and this isn’t a correction, but just a point I would like to make. Cain, is as you say he is, a scholar. At no point in any dialogue in the games or in other sources published about the Diablo universe are we told that he has any combat skills, or even magic skills for that matter. His is simply an advisory role, he isn’t the hero. He is more like a Merlin type character to a King Arthur.
I appreciate the p points! My main contention is that he didn't try to contain Leah as he always suspected her true heritage & after being captured should have devoted some energy itself protection
@@DarkLOREDash True, however it could be said that Deckard was trying to make up for past mistakes; not only with his own son, Jered, but also with Prince Aidan as Cain was his mentor as a boy and Cain saw him like a son. Additionally, Cain knew that despite Leah's heritage, she had the ability to choose due to her human half, and brought her up to be a selfless person. It is also worth noting that Leah did become exactly what Deckard Cain hoped she would, a noble soul. This is commented on both by the Nephalem, who says that Leah only became the Prime Evil because they all put their trust in the wrong person, and that her fate was Adria's doing, not her won. Tyrael also writes about this in the preface of the Book of Tyrael, saying that he hopes that Leah will be remembered for who she was, not what she was turned into. I suppose the best comparison I can draw this to is the show Dexter. Despite the fact that Dexter showed that he had sociopathic tendencies, his foster father trained him to use his inclinations to become a vigilante. Which he did, hunting down vicious criminals instead of preying on innocent people.
Watching this after the mind-blowingly awesome Devolver Direct 2020 and everytime I hear "the future" I automatically start thinking about "The future's future" and the "The future's future's future".
Poor Cain. Getting bad story, bad death, bad choices. I like your analyses though! It's really weird that I'm not getting any notifications for you Baldur's gate videos but I am for the diablo ones. Maybe it's just an issue on my end but it is weird.
Deckard Cain really has an amazing voice, but he always struck me as a "I love science"-type of person rather than a scientist. I.e. he is content to marvel at what other people achieve and do, and admire it at a distance, but lack the talents and fortitude to do things himself.
Maybe the fault rests with the Horadrim itself? Clearly standards in fighting ability and critical thought slipped long before Cain came into his role.
Am I the only one here who absolutely loves Diablo 3? I don't get the hate at all. Maybe it's because it was my first Diablo game so I don't know to what extent it messed up the lore of the originals, but I don't think it does that much damage to them. Everything about the lore on diablo 3 totally captivated me, specially given how long the game is and how much there is to discover. One of the greatest gaming experiences I've had
I think it's more disappointment than hate for most people. It feels like like they deviated from the core of what makes Diablo so interesting ( I played 1 first and the spent about 2 or 3 years playing d2) And D3 just does not feel like a Diablo game is supposed to feel to me it feels of somehow and i do think that some of the lore in D3 is somewhat sloppy at times. The game just feels rushed, somewhat sloppy and not true to the original vision and that left a bad taste for original fans.That being said it still has some good things to it i like the classes in D3 but i do miss the character customization of d2.
Really. As I see it. Killing off Cain is pretty much the current atmosphere of Blizzard as of right now. Even if it wasn't known at the time. Cain was supposed to be replaced with some other person. Likely a woman. Though it never happened in D3, and we got Cain's Book. So now with D4, maybe, hopefully, to be finished and released. Cain likely ended up being forgotten. As he was an Old White dude, and as some Blizzard person states, "Fans didn't like him anyway." Which is odd. As there is a freaking Rap Song that is pretty good and does not see Diablo getting a song of his own...or her own...or ITS own. Yeah, it sounds tight. Its own. I only heard maybe 1 person dislike Cain, and they were a moron. Also, the death of Cain or how he died. Well, that hit me harder than like Laura's death. Really, I saw her more as an annoyance and well coming down to being that Mary Sue that got proper treatment as being a pawn for evil. So. Yeah. That is how I feel. As for calling Cain an "Idiot," now that is harsh. As you have foresight and know the whole story and have all the pieces. Should look at it from his perspective. He didn't know everything. He was making guesses and trying to understand the riddles of the past to predict the future. I mean, how the fuck was he supposed to know an Angel would fall from the heavens and nearly kill him? Plus maybe he did try to teleport out of the catacombs but due to the foul magics. It ended up opening a portal to some realm in Hell or summoned the skeletons that were chasing him. Of course, now I am making assumptions. Though Cain is a lot smarter than he is depicted. After all. Cain had Wisdom. Just poorly shown on screen. I mean if ge was an "Idiot". He could have simply locked himself away and never be known to the world. Just exist on some other plane and watch the world burn. To later die of old age and the death of humanity with him. Yet Cain still did something. By the end of the day. That matters more than some drunk who cries in his drink.
I think Cain new his place, a scholar and not a powerful Hordric mage, he's said so himself but to be fair he's also aware of his own mistakes and weaknesses
I like the way you presented all the information and like you said Cain is 187 years old man. He has show very little magical ability, other than identifying items. Now that would be a fight. Diablo chain lightning flame bullshit. Cian’s turn identify. Cain dies. Lol
blunders in the writing aside, I think the inability for Cain to see the bigger pictures about the schemes of the Prime Evils and Diablo might only be due to his own mortal limits. Diablo did, after all, manage to pull Imperius, an angel of great status, into falling for his traps. The common theme for all of the Diablo franchise is just how unfathomable the influence of Diablo can be, to the point where his mere existence can darken the soul of mortals, burn the High Heavens to the ground, and create dissent among angels, mortals and nephalems alike. Yeah, Deckard Cain failed to save Humanity on many occasions, but my guess is he's only the modest survivor of the Horadrim, tired and weak from his old age and traumas, he couldn't have done any better.
A very lonely old man who studies and records anything Diablo/Demon related, seen unspeakable horrors and many deaths of those around him also while not getting close to anyone due to inevitable death, and always being asked for help from the player? I'd also adopt Leah just for someone to talk to and finally able to have a connection with someone.
It wasn't as much Cain who was an idiot, as it was a problem with Diablo III's writing. That game, especially the retcons to Diablo I, was utterly stupid.
I don't understand how Tyrael rips of his wings, gets ejected by heaven itself. Just to come back as a Mortal to stay with them again as the Human of Wisdom? I'm confused maybe I missed something but this shit is too wild
Fair point. I believe that lore-wise, Diabloverse ends up being very strange. They started out with Biblical concepts of angels n demons, heaven n hell etc, but eventually you can walk into hell located near downtown Walmart, or going upstairs to hang out with your angelic brothers. These places are no longer realms, and the creatures no longer spiritual. Demons n angels would just respawn after being killed anyway making you wonder what’s the point.
I dunno, YMMV but to me, the whole point was that Cain’s tragic flaw was his humanity, just like Adrian, just like the Rogue, and so many others who have fallen before the Prime Evils. I’m expecting that trend to continue with the nephalem being able to champion only by embracing the human side of their heritage (which would make Tyrael’s becoming mortal foreshadowing and not just stupidity) and thereby providing something of a redemption arc for humanity in Sanctuary.
Game LORE Dash thank you! I look forward to your videos and the comments section conversations! You’re providing a service, sir, and one I appreciate; living in a small town in the rust belt, we don’t get a lot of lore hounds in my neighborhood. 😉
i just can't understand y back in tristram in d2, the demons won't kill cain outright... instead they made a cage and put cain into it ... as though as he'll suffer more to watch his friends die rather than die himself ... mabe it's better if he locked inside inside one of the cottages and griswold will try to break down the door as the player enters via the portal ... but yeah ... i've always suspected his allegiance as a result of that (along with tyrael's) as I played on ... haha
While i dont disagree i must add 1 point: Deckard did not believe in the horadric stories until Diablo escaped Tristram. And i think its hard to blame him for not taking action cause that point of view was pretty based. Like imagine you are brought up being told that your ancestors banished demons and the like. By that point ppl had forgotten about the prime evils. He was teached in the horadric ways so once he realized that everything was true he had the knowledge at the ready but he basically just understood what was up when Aiden and his crew showed up in Tristram.
I've been watching your genius and idiot videos and I saw a pattern. Most of the geniuses are villains while there are a lot of idiots on the good side. Which leads me to: are there any geniuses on the good side? Are there any idiots on the bad side? Hoping to be enlightened Dash :)
@@DarkLOREDash yeah i mean no matter how many times they are defeated they just come right back, like dude said your fate is already sealed your will all burn or something like that.
Kinda harsh. At 127 you see 1 hero turned and the second hero walks away. You know that the 3 primes are obsessed with Sanctuary. You have the opportunity to raise a powerful witch, youre going to take it lol especially if you waited to long once before. Maybe he thought Leah could beat Diablo instead of join him
@@DarkLOREDash I dont understand what youre saying? Cain was being old AF in town when Aiden socketed his face lol The journal entry you had says as much. What was he suppose to do at that point, fist fight the guy who just killed diablo??
With the last example for the blade of justice you failed to recognize, Malthael's actions are just. Tyrael the archangel of wisdom can't cut anyone down that he thinks is unjust, because the sword looks at justice without a moral lens and thus can't harm Malthael. Disregarding morals/ethics, Malthael is just in killing all demons regardless of how much angel blood they contain.
I have to remind everyone that before D1 demons had stop appear for at least thousands of years, even Deckard still remember and told everyone about the lore is because he honor his mother in this way, not because he really belive in it so its not fair to blame him to not take it seriously in D1
The fact that all the heros of D1 get fucked over and most of the heros of D2 get fucked over it makes sense that the heros of D3 get fucked over too. But let's be real, Cain should be untouchable considering all he's witnessed and survived. After all he's the narrator and chronicler.
I also forgot to mention that, while Cain didn't even believe it was Diablo in Tristram, until it was too late other orders took it seriously, and all three heroes such as The Rogues & the Vizjerei sent heroes to investigate. So, only the last of the Horadrim, the sworn Greater evil hunters, didn't believe in their own orders philosophy, yet everyone else seemed to.
Game LORE Dash makes me wonder if they’d retcon that if they thought about it lol
@@Guildelin I dunno its a strange piece of lore they injected later too. I mean he could have started not believing, but as soon as he did, arming himself with knowledge & power throughout the series.
Deckard Cain is smart but that doesn't mean that he's isn't an idiot, even smart people do stupid things... the stupid don't own the monopoly on it. I agree that he's shortsighted, but I'll add that he's foolhardy and ignorantly dismissive of the schemes that surround him. Hell, he doesn't even realize that he's being used by Diablo by the time of the events of D3, someone as smart as he is supposed to be should've figured it out by that time... one would think...
IIRC what was said about Cain is that he was apathetic about the horadric text. IIRC he even said so, basically saying if it wasn't for his apathy he would've been strong enough to stop Diablo himself. No different than Leah decades later that had the same apathy as he did. Apathy isn't stupidity or any sign of being dumb. It just means that you don't put that much faith in what you are being told. You are liable to say to the ones telling you about the text you are reading too much into them just like Leah did Cain in D3.
Adria did not dump leah on Cain. She dumped her on Gillian The Barmaid, Gillian was driven mad by the events of the darkening of tristram, and when leah was roughly 7-8 cain met her by accident, where she confessed she was afraid of leah and asked him to take her. Cain Obliged. He had no way of knowing for sure she (leah) was really adria's and diablo's daughter because gillians mental state had deteriorated to the point where most of the time she wasn't fit to be among other people, she did not have a good grasp of reality. Also, he didn't know leah was to become Diablo's vessel (At the time he started training her he didn't even know for sure Adria was a follower of the demons, he only learned that after years of having been taking care of Leah, plus, Cain knew he was old, and wouldn't live much longer, he needed somebody he could mold into a successor of the horadrim so the world wasn't in danger once he died, and Leah was pretty much all he had access to. Also, Cain did not deliver the secrets of the horadrim to the burning hells through leah, Tal Rasha had been Baal's host for centuries already, and he was not able to keep his mind closed the demon, so all horadrim secrets would have been known to baal long before leah became diablo's vessel. that is assuming that when the great evils take over you they gain all your knowledge and memories, which is never stated as far as i know.
Where I did not like how they killed Cain, I do like the irony that his last act was identifying a weapon.
OH MY GOD. All sins absolved.
LMAO
*making a weapon usable
The D3 devs reason for killing him was kind of dumb though. They were quoted as saying something to the extent of "no one liked decard cain anyway". Which just shows how much they know about Diablo's fanbase, and the game itself.
It’s like in books , fans love a character then author be like, “ Oh you guys like that character? Well. Here ya go.” *kills character *
I think Cain was never meant to be smarter then any hero or prime evil, he was simply a wise, truthful friend for a hero on a perilous, epic journey. The real idiot is the D3 writers.
THIS!
Boom! Haha truth.
I totally agreed with you. Exemple: In Diablo 3, when we finally have the black soulstones (who have disapear long time ago), we learn the black soulstones absorb the souls of all DEAD Lords of Hell, right?. Ok that explain how Diablo, Mephisto and Baal have been trap into it after we kill each of them AND destroy there personnal soulstones (the Red, Blue and Yellow(because it's would be really stupid from Tyrael just leaving the Baal soulstones behind after destroying the Stones World)). But later in D3, after defeating Belial and Azmodan, we learn and see Leah using a spell for capturing the souls of Belial and Azmodan into the black soulstones. If no one have found the black soulstones until D3, who have used the black soulstones and casting THIS spell for capturing the souls of Diablo, Mephisto and Baal in D2 exactly?
@@louisprevost892 I just ignore all the lore after D2 to avoid too much brain damage.
@@louisprevost892 Exactly. In Diablo 3 the enemies like AzmoDUMB want to be intelligent and threathening, but end up revealing their foolishness. In the "Black soulstone sequence" he even reveals his plans to leah. Why would any intelligent enemy do that? exactly. There is much more to say, Cain in general is a great character, he just got ruined by bad writing in D3...
He probably tried to raise Leah in a way that she could be a force against evil instead of an ally. Really, Leah's fall was Tyreal's fault for not taking notice how Adria was treating Leah in a fairly sadistic manner. I mean, Archangel of Justice just stands aside as abuse from a parent goes on just so he can accomplish his own selfish goal of ending the conflict by any means, even at the suffering of a young woman.
How unjust
That's D3's bad writing in a nutshell. Existing characters are totally out of character, new characters are totally misused. There are good ideas there, but none of them are executed well.
Not to mention the fact that he keeps losing bags with his journals ALL OVER Sanctuary >.
old men may be forgetful. in diablo 4, you can pickup cain's old, used, rare loincloth. ;)
@@arnelcapistrano2408 oh noo, ewww... and rare, too...
@@arnelcapistrano2408 how do you identify them? xD
@@DisconnectHack *proceeds to take a long whiff* Ah, i know who this belongs to!
@@arnelcapistrano2408 D:
Cain wasnt a mage of the horadrim like tal rasha was though. He was a scribe. It wasnt for him to act in diablo.
Well said.
A scribe with all the knowledge and secrets of the Horadrim at his disposal. If he really wanted to, if he wasn't so ignorant to things going on around him, he could've easily learned several potent spells in his younger years, could've studied techniques used by the Horadrim and at least pass them on to someone else by the time of Diablo 1. We see him as an old man from the start. What has he been doing his whole life?
He is not an idiot. 2012 ruined him.
Edit: He had no way in knowing Diablo could take over peoples mind and that the people he helped were weak willed in Tristrim. He had no way in knowing Izual manipulated the Horadrium. A scholar can't always see what is in front of him, he admits that in Diablo 2 and helps destroying the Soul Stones. That should've been where his story ends and should never had appeared in D3.
Edit 2: Diablo 3 was a poo-stain on the series stories and crushed intelligent and well-written characters into versions of themselves that are completely different and fast tracked a story that should've been slower
I do cover that at the end, he didnt learn from anything by Diablo 3
I felt sorry for Deckard Cain, the people of the Pandemonium Fortress: Jamella and Halbu, and Warriv... may all these characters rest in piece.
Wait, there's a Diablo 3? :o
In my mind diablo 3 never existed and its a better world without it. If i want to play something like a newer version of diablo 2 i play Path of Exile (avoiding the micro transactions at all cost), in all reality PoE is a much better successor to diablo 2, and has a totally unique story that doesn't shit on d2 so works for me.
If your sequels story requires all of the previously beloved characters to be idiots in order to make sense, then your a bad writer. This is why I am done with Blizzard.
El'druin cannot harm any being with righteous intent, and Malthael's actions although ethically dubious could be justified. He might have been driven mad trying to understand life and death, he might've became the aspect of Death, but he was still the Archangel of Wisdom. After the defeat and imprisonment of the Prime Evil within the Black Soulstone, the only source of demonic corruption was on Sanctuary itself. The only threat to order and to the Heavens would be the return of the Nephalem, which the Diablo 3 protagonist also proved were getting far more powerful (likely the Diablo 3 protagonist was one of the Nephalem whose powers were activated by Lilith before she was banished a second time by Inarius). Rathma and Zoltun Kulle also proved that the Nephalem could easily be swayed towards evil, and couldn't be relied on.
If Malthael was successful in using the Black Soulstone to capture all demonic essence on Sanctuary, he would've ended any threat posed by the Nephalem and ensured that the High Heavens won the Eternal Conflict. His only problem was that the Soulstone would not differentiate between Nephalem and humanity that descended from Inarius and Lilith, though he viewed eradicating humanity as a negligible side effect and justified given that humanity tends to gravitate more towards their demonic nature anyway.
That is why Tyrael couldn't harm Malthael, and Tyrael's angelic soul is why Malthael didn't kill him. After Malthael's attack on the Pandominum Gate in the High Heavens however, El'druin would be able to strike him IF it was able to harm Malthael within Pandemonium (and within his 'between life and death' state). Certainly after he absorbed Diablo's soul. There, Malthael wasn't acting with righteous intent and was acting out of desperation to slow the Nephalem down.
Kinda my line of thinking. I figured that a sword may not be able to tell if someone is batshit insane. In Malthaels mind he was totally doing the correct and righteous. So his intentions were absolutely pure and righteous....in his own mind.
Well i think Cain was just happy that he got, with leah, someone to pass on his knowlege. Remember Guys he was an old lonely man without a family and someone to pass on his legacy, the legacy of the hoadrim. Every man in his position would have thrown away all caution and accepted that child to teach and as some kind of family. Its just sad how everything ended and that we didnt got a second dlc in which we rescued Leah from Hell.
I felt bad for Leah when she died for daddy, they really should of tried to bring her back
Is it confirmed anywhere what the second dlc was planned to be?
@@OnlyDeathIsEternal diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Diablo_III:_The_King_in_the_North
I wonder why he didn't pass on his knowledge to Drognan. He'd be an obvious choice imo.
Also we never got the companions' stories finale
Most of the things he is a fool for are things that would have required knowledge that only the player was privy to, or, are simply things that need him to be a lot more calculating and less caring, as he stubbornly believes his friend to simply be depressed while whoops he was actually possessed by Diablo, and the girl, well, he constantly attempts to get her to control herself, he’s sadly too much of an optimist.
Sadly the story of Cain’s life is basically...
*Spidey-senses tingling*
Cain: “Nah...it will be fine...still...better start writing down my instant regret now...”
You think it a coincidence he always manages to be in the middle of the conflict, sometimes even "captured", yet somehow manage to stay alive despite being seemingly helpless?
You think it foolishness that his strategies seem to somehow be either, at best, completely pointless or, worse, even end up perpetuating the war or strengthening the forces of hell?
How convenient, isn't it, that he just so happens to be "The Last Horadrim", and there's no one who can go against his scholarly "advice"? Convenient that he just so happens to be in charge of Diablo's spawn and that she eventually finds the soulstone?
And he has you thinking he's an idiot?
Cain laughs. The Lord of Deceit has hoodwinked you all.
Best comment.
If only blizzard writers could be as smart and not turning complicated , interested characters like adria , kael thas, etc to simplistic evil caricatures that just out of nowhere went corrupted , crazy , power hungry cause reasons
Well deducted Norb. Great summary
Oh god he’s just like Jar Jar 😈 🙊
@@Edbrad You mean High Sith Lord Dar Jar Jar, of course...
"the legacy of Cain" I see what you did there.
Cain: "i do not understand why the arch bishop turned into darkness. "
Me: "have you seen lazarus lair? Those place is filled by ton of succubus. I guess we can draw the conclusion here lol"
Lol
That's to be expected of priests
I know this video is super old, but honestly, I think you're being a bit hard on Cain.
To start with, although he identifies himself as the last member of the Horadric Order, he is, in fact, simply a scholar with a fascination surrounding the old stories of the Horadrim. Stories of his ancestor enthralled him as a child, and he dedicated his life to learning as much about them as he could, while not actively believing in the stories themselves. So, when things went bonkers in Tristram, even though his spider senses were tingling, he ignored them, specifically because he did not actually believe that Hell and the Evils existed.
As events in Diablo 1 progressed, Cain worked very closely with the three heroes, and over time, began to see them as his close friends (even though he charged them to identify stuff). When they returned, he, along with everybody in Tristram, was incredibly relieved, believing that Diablo and his machinations had been stopped. When Adrian started to show signs of corruption, this old man, who had only recently learned that the Evils actually even existed, believed that the prince was simply depressed, disturbed deeply and traumatized by his encounters with violent death and literal demons in literal Hell. Including the literal lord of terror itself. He was still naive to the true corruption and ingenuity of the Greater Evils, and was compassionate to his ailing friend.
Yes, Dekard Cain did suspect that Leah was the progeny of Diablo through his possession of Adrian, while also suspecting that Adria (wonder if their names being almost the same was intentional) was pretty suspicious. However, he also sensed that Leah's soul, despite her parentage, was innocent. Sure, he could have murdered a baby - that would have prevented a lot of catastrophe later on. But this isn't Warhammer 40k or Song of Ice and Fire - Diablo is a story of Good verses Evil, and Cain was on the side of Good. He hoped instead to foster Leah to the side of good, raising her as a Horadrim in the hopes that, with her inherited power and her pure soul, she would be a force of good against the forces of Evil - and she *was,* even if she ultimately failed.
Admittedly, it was foolish of him, in his final moments, not to reveal Leah's or Adria's true natures to the characters. Perhaps he was worried that, if they knew the truth, they would Destroy Leah? Although more likely, they simply would not have trusted Adria, and her plans would have been foiled.
Cain didn't die from restoring Tyrial's sword - he was dying anyway, and wanted to make sure that the former Archangel recovered not only his angelic weapon, but his memories as well. Yes, it's true, Tyrial was absolutely useless all throughout Diablo 3, but that wasn't any fault of Cain's.
What Cain Did do:
Provided invaluable knowledge to Adrian and the other heroes in Tristram. Had he not done so, the town would have surely fallen much sooner, and Diablo would have walked the earth. This happened anyway, but Cain did everything in his power to stop it.
In Diablo 2, his services were invaluable, guiding the seven heroes to ancient artifacts, instructing them on their uses, providing essential lore so that they might confront the forces of hell. Not only was his guidance essential in defeating 5 of the 7 Evils, is also helped them save 4 different settlements from absolute destruction, and he even fallowed them into Hell itself. Luckily, for whatever reason, the hell portal took him and the party to Pandemonium Fortress instead of straight to Diablo himself, but he couldn't have known that would be the case.
After Baal was defeated and Areat destroyed, he gave Leah, an innocent, a rich and fulfilling life, despite strongly suspecting her less then savory heritage. At the same time, he diligently studied ruins, texts and artifacts all over Sanctuary in the hopes of preventing what he believed was the coming of the end of days - but he was only one man, last scholar of a dead order, and he was too late. That said, despite his experiences and all he'd done for Sanctuary in the past, no one was willing to believe his stories, or that Evil could return. Again, this was a failing of others, more then a failing of his own, as had his words been taken seriously, Sanctuary may have been ready to face Belial and Azmodan, and the resurrection of Diablo might have been avoided.
Cain is the main bad guy. when you final meet him in the Boss room he will say "you should had stay awhlie and listen!"
but its Cain, he's old.. Give him a break :D
There's love peppered throughout!
@@DarkLOREDash Bruh
The good ole old and senile card
And that's how Caine broke his hip
For real Boomard Cain didn’t get his nap that day cant blame him
Nice snipet from Diablo 2: "I thank you for the rescue!"
I thought the Leah story was a cool concept with a suitably dark and horrifying conclusion, but the way some of it was written in the game didnt quite meet its potential. Ironically Leah would have had a claim on the vacant throne of Khonduras, which could have been an interesting angle. It's always bothered me that her dormant uncontrollable power along with the totally insane things that happen around her & Cain (demonic cults, spirits, an invasion of the undead) make all of her talk of "uncle's crazy stories" seem somewhat absurd and out of place.
It's also pretty strange that Leah was the progeny of a witch & a man possessed by an immensely powerful demon lord and had innate magical abilities beyond her comprehension but was completely well-adjusted, kind, caring and friendly. You'd think a young woman conceived by the Dark Wanderer as a vessel for the Lord of Terror would be troubled, distant, perhaps haunted by fears, nightmares, or disturbing premonitions. Which leads to another issue: if Cain the Horadric scholar "always suspected" that Leah was in fact the daughter of Diablo, wouldn't he have thought to put some safeguards in place to prevent her from being possessed or turned towards evil! He raised her like a daughter but left her possible demonic heritage completely to chance, despite his advanced age meaning he wouldn't be around forever.
The writing in D3 was good in concept but there were many holes in the execution. Much like the aesthetic change to cartoon fantasy, it was also written like a cartoon, or a superhero comic book/movie, with grand ideas and a lot of references to the lore, but full of lazy cliches and plot holes that are glossed over.
Its a good story but it was kind of predictable
Agreed. D3's writing is a solid example of 'good at the outline stage, horrible in execution' because of those reasons.
Love Cain 🙏🇨🇦 a friendly voice that calms the soul after slaying Demons.
He is boss
Last I checked, Cain wasn't present when the Horadrim imprisoned the Prime Evils. He was a fool for not taking his teaching (that was past down from generation to generation) seriously.
I wasn't a fan of Cain because he used to charge me money and, later decided to take partial credit of work that I've done to kill Baal.
He had more spell scrolls in the novel. Funny enough he uses an electric spell scroll to catch fish while traveling with a young Leah.
Nice catch!
What a sportsman, like throwing bombs in the water 😂 should be illegal
Well, It is hard to get one up on the forces of evil speacially when the guy you are fighting is the title of the game..Lets be frank,Diablo wins via asspull a lot..Would not be shocked if somehow the Nemp getting power was somehow his master plot in 4
He is the Diablo series' version of a weeb.
ha!
"Which brings us to the legacy of Cain." I see what you did there. I'm a Legacy of Kain fan, too.
My boy Deckard Caine dropped the ball when it mattered more times than Dez Bryant
CAIN was more interested on charging 100 per item xD
Dont leave him hanging in Tristram
Save him from tristram you lazy ass
Actually never realized Cain charged for identifying items until I saw it on a UA-cam video. Just always followed the quests... lol
@@sebasteanjanzen1210 he doesn't unless you dont save him in tristram. if you skip that quest he charges you. his reward for helping him is identifying items at no charge.
Maybe, that is why the demons left him alive when they decided to destroy Tristram...
I hear that.
Cain deserved better than what he got in D3.
Agree
The entire Diablo series deserved better than what it got with D3
I played the first two games and read all the books for years and then D3 came around and made me loose all hope for the future of diablo
We all deserved better than D3 but writing was atrocious everything was a mess , characters become so simplistic and one dimensional , way too predictable , boring , blunt and moronic
@@Heretus It had some good moments but yeah over all the writing was terrible. I hated the Abd al-Hazir guy so frigging arrogant.
"It's okay to kill a child" -Dark LORE Dash, 2020
Cain taking Lea in was not an idiot move. Could she become a threat, yes, could she of been a force for good, yes. Don't forget Lea never chose to become a monster. Her mother forced her to become one. Deckard saw a child who could be guided to the light and he had done so, making her a powerful force of good and someone who could follow in his footsteps... That was not an idiotic move, especially since he thought Adria was dead.
great vid as always dash. you know what they say, the road to hell is paved with good intent. keep it up man loving these analyses.
Damn, I wish I added that and thank you!
I've wondered, since Cain like you said, made so many mistakes leading to the events of D3, perhaps he set them in motion on purpose.
Both Farnham and Adria gossip about Cain saying he knows more than he says and knows he knows himself.
Maybe he comes back as a primary antagonist?
his name is "Deckard Cain the Elder", not "Deckard Cain the Wise"
I always felt Deckard didn't want to believe that those great evils had returned as it would have meant that the ancient Horadrim had failed
Great video Dash! I cannot argue any specific points you make here. This all serves to further prove the old adage, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."
Adventure on my friend!
Cain was old and freil....he was a scholar not a warrior mage, I think this was made very clear. He sensed that something was wrong with Aiden after he defeated diablo, but he thought it was due to the stresses hero had undergone to physically defeat Diablo and his minions. Aiden never told Cain what he had done with the soulstone he took from Diablo, he never told Cain he imbued himself with the soulstone....as far as Cain was concerned the stone and diablo were dostroyed and banished from mortal realm. So you can't really blame Cain for inaction, he was not a warrior mage, he was an old, frail Horodrim scholar...keeper of knowledge not a fighter. But you can also blame Blizzard's lazy writing and continuation issues with the story too....
(Sees soul stone in the forehead of Aiden)
Cain: Thought he was just Sad because of PTSD
good guys=idiots.
bad guys=Dash goes full fangirl.
Got it.
Hello my friend! Stay awhile and listen
So many good memories.
Allright stop, stay a while and listen, Deckard Cain is back with a brand new mission,
Something grabs a hold of him tightly
Flow like a harpoon daily and nightly
"Will it ever stop?" Yo, he don't know
Turn off the lights, huh, and he'll glow
To the extreme, he rocks a mic like a vandal
Light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle
Dance, rush the speaker that booms
He's killing your brain like a poisonous mushroom
Deadly when he plays a dope melody
Anything less than the best is a felony
Love it or leave it, you better gangway
You better hit the bullseye, the old man don't play
And if there was a problem, yo, he'll solve it
Check out the hook while Deckard Cain revolves it
With Justice gone and Wisdom dead, Valor becomes Malice and the angelic host turns it's back on humanity. These are dark days indeed, brother, but Mother Lilith will bring back Sanctuary.
The other members of the Brotherhood might have been more proactive and took the fight to Evil, but they're also all dead, while Cain lived to try and guide Heroes for decades to come.
I'm surprise the Prime Evils didn't even bother to kill Cain from the beginning. Otherwise, these adventures wouldn't know the ways to beat demons/diablo 😂
Still, he deserved better than to be killed by a butterfly.
I am definitely inclined to agree with you on this one. He's just way too passive - he could have even had better apprentices before Leah!
It is possibly to be both a genius and an idiot at the same time. Highly intelligent people may overlook simple solutions to problems and constantly fail to see that what is obvius to them isn't for common people. Yes I am above avarage intelligence and have personal experience of these pitfalls. My "common knowledge" may be very special trivia for others. Be careful.
Great for you that you have an IQ of 101
@@Holland1994D The military told me that I was "above avarage" but didn't specify by how much.
Cain is the guy who pretends he knew, but didn't
Maybe if he told Leah the truth and show he still loved her then perhaps they could've worked together to find a solution to stop Diablo and Leah's mom once and for all... But then we wouldn't have a story.
Sometimes The Horadrim Have Limits
oh saucy title. I like. And yes, i do agree with that.
How exactly did the Horadrim dwindle to a last member? These mere mortals actively fought and defeated (temporarily at least) the Greater Evils. The were also well aware these victories were temporary. And they STILL let membership dwindle to next to nothing.
Did they think the Lesser and Greater Evils would just forget about Sanctuary? That the Evils would just go back to the pointless stalemate that existed before Sanctuary?
In defense of him raising Leah, I don't think she was actually evil(despite being Diablo's daughter). It wasn't until she was forcibly possessed by Diablo and the black soulstone, and I would say at that point she was dead.
Yeah, when we take the story as written, it's absolutely clear Leah dies (what else would you call a soul being destroyed?) at that point.
I've always thought that the reason why Tyrael's sword can't damaga Malthael because he surrounded himself with death and can only be damaged by a person who done the same,or something like that was in a quest.
A good video topic: Why didn't Deckard Cain get a proper Cinematic ending, when he deserved it so well, instead he got an ingame cutscene by a stupid witch. Another good topic: Why a demonic pupeteer as a class would be interesting, combining Necromancer and Witch Doctor into one. Another topic: Wolcen: Lords of Mayhem.
So the mysterious grave could be Deckard Cain's? Wouldn't it be funny if the person talking at the grave is Farnham the drunk from the original Diablo? It could explain why he is holding a drink and how he knows Cain.
He would need to look older though. Theres 10 years gap between the first two games and diablo 3 and then another few decades between diablo 3 and diablo 4.
@@shinon748
Diablo 2 takes place 6 months after Diablo
Diablo Immortal takes place 10 years after Diablo 2
Diablo 3 takes place 10 years after Diablo Immortal
Diablo 4 takes place 10 years after Diablo 3
Farnham would be 30 and 1/2 years older than he was in Diablo
A little bit unfair, and I would definitely not agree with you. There are a couple of things I want to correct you on: first, you also said this in your video on Adria that Leah was left in Deckard Cain’s care by the witch. That is not true, Adria left Leah in Gillian’s care. Deckard Cain did not meet Leah until she was 8 and didn’t become her guardian until Gillian tried to kill the both of them by burning down her own house. Second, Cain never viewed the Horadric tales as true until King Leoric went mad, before that point, the Horadric tales were just stories. At that time, the Horadrim were nonexistent and it wasn’t until Cain met Adria and they began sharing their knowledge with each other that he began to consider himself a Horadrim. Lastly, and this isn’t a correction, but just a point I would like to make. Cain, is as you say he is, a scholar. At no point in any dialogue in the games or in other sources published about the Diablo universe are we told that he has any combat skills, or even magic skills for that matter. His is simply an advisory role, he isn’t the hero. He is more like a Merlin type character to a King Arthur.
I appreciate the p points! My main contention is that he didn't try to contain Leah as he always suspected her true heritage & after being captured should have devoted some energy itself protection
@@DarkLOREDash True, however it could be said that Deckard was trying to make up for past mistakes; not only with his own son, Jered, but also with Prince Aidan as Cain was his mentor as a boy and Cain saw him like a son. Additionally, Cain knew that despite Leah's heritage, she had the ability to choose due to her human half, and brought her up to be a selfless person. It is also worth noting that Leah did become exactly what Deckard Cain hoped she would, a noble soul. This is commented on both by the Nephalem, who says that Leah only became the Prime Evil because they all put their trust in the wrong person, and that her fate was Adria's doing, not her won. Tyrael also writes about this in the preface of the Book of Tyrael, saying that he hopes that Leah will be remembered for who she was, not what she was turned into. I suppose the best comparison I can draw this to is the show Dexter. Despite the fact that Dexter showed that he had sociopathic tendencies, his foster father trained him to use his inclinations to become a vigilante. Which he did, hunting down vicious criminals instead of preying on innocent people.
Watching this after the mind-blowingly awesome Devolver Direct 2020 and everytime I hear "the future" I automatically start thinking about "The future's future" and the "The future's future's future".
taking a swing at Tyrael's shitty sword and the fact that he can't seem to hold on to it for more than 5 minutes.
He's like Wesley from the Buffy verse... if Wesley just got old.
D3 never happened, D4 is likely gonna be shit and all that stuff can just be ignored for the better of mankind
Poor Cain. Getting bad story, bad death, bad choices. I like your analyses though! It's really weird that I'm not getting any notifications for you Baldur's gate videos but I am for the diablo ones. Maybe it's just an issue on my end but it is weird.
Thank you! I think because the views are lower, youtube thinks they may not be worth it.
Deckard Cain really has an amazing voice, but he always struck me as a "I love science"-type of person rather than a scientist. I.e. he is content to marvel at what other people achieve and do, and admire it at a distance, but lack the talents and fortitude to do things himself.
I mean yeah, his job is to remember and share the information and occasionally record it.
Maybe the fault rests with the Horadrim itself? Clearly standards in fighting ability and critical thought slipped long before Cain came into his role.
Cain is also an old man, those horadrim you compare him against were all in their prime when they did their great deeds.
Am I the only one here who absolutely loves Diablo 3? I don't get the hate at all. Maybe it's because it was my first Diablo game so I don't know to what extent it messed up the lore of the originals, but I don't think it does that much damage to them. Everything about the lore on diablo 3 totally captivated me, specially given how long the game is and how much there is to discover. One of the greatest gaming experiences I've had
I think it's more disappointment than hate for most people. It feels like like they deviated from the core of what makes Diablo so interesting ( I played 1 first and the spent about 2 or 3 years playing d2) And D3 just does not feel like a Diablo game is supposed to feel to me it feels of somehow and i do think that some of the lore in D3 is somewhat sloppy at times. The game just feels rushed, somewhat sloppy and not true to the original vision and that left a bad taste for original fans.That being said it still has some good things to it i like the classes in D3 but i do miss the character customization of d2.
I always thought this especially since his ancestors would fight prime evils for breakfast
How dare you talk bad about our beloved old man XD
Cain = Scribe = Not much.
Helper = Yes
Cain = Support = As a scribe = That is all.
Not meant to be the hands to alter outcomes.
Anyone hope to see Leah in Diablo 4 or get some hints of her fate?
Heresy! Ima send the Moon clan to gut you for disrespecting their grandpa in such a way!
Really. As I see it. Killing off Cain is pretty much the current atmosphere of Blizzard as of right now. Even if it wasn't known at the time. Cain was supposed to be replaced with some other person. Likely a woman. Though it never happened in D3, and we got Cain's Book.
So now with D4, maybe, hopefully, to be finished and released. Cain likely ended up being forgotten. As he was an Old White dude, and as some Blizzard person states, "Fans didn't like him anyway." Which is odd. As there is a freaking Rap Song that is pretty good and does not see Diablo getting a song of his own...or her own...or ITS own. Yeah, it sounds tight. Its own.
I only heard maybe 1 person dislike Cain, and they were a moron. Also, the death of Cain or how he died. Well, that hit me harder than like Laura's death. Really, I saw her more as an annoyance and well coming down to being that Mary Sue that got proper treatment as being a pawn for evil. So. Yeah. That is how I feel.
As for calling Cain an "Idiot," now that is harsh. As you have foresight and know the whole story and have all the pieces. Should look at it from his perspective.
He didn't know everything. He was making guesses and trying to understand the riddles of the past to predict the future. I mean, how the fuck was he supposed to know an Angel would fall from the heavens and nearly kill him? Plus maybe he did try to teleport out of the catacombs but due to the foul magics. It ended up opening a portal to some realm in Hell or summoned the skeletons that were chasing him.
Of course, now I am making assumptions. Though Cain is a lot smarter than he is depicted. After all. Cain had Wisdom. Just poorly shown on screen. I mean if ge was an "Idiot". He could have simply locked himself away and never be known to the world. Just exist on some other plane and watch the world burn. To later die of old age and the death of humanity with him.
Yet Cain still did something. By the end of the day. That matters more than some drunk who cries in his drink.
I think Cain new his place, a scholar and not a powerful Hordric mage, he's said so himself but to be fair he's also aware of his own mistakes and weaknesses
I like the way you presented all the information and like you said Cain is 187 years old man. He has show very little magical ability, other than identifying items. Now that would be a fight. Diablo chain lightning flame bullshit. Cian’s turn identify. Cain dies. Lol
blunders in the writing aside, I think the inability for Cain to see the bigger pictures about the schemes of the Prime Evils and Diablo might only be due to his own mortal limits. Diablo did, after all, manage to pull Imperius, an angel of great status, into falling for his traps.
The common theme for all of the Diablo franchise is just how unfathomable the influence of Diablo can be, to the point where his mere existence can darken the soul of mortals, burn the High Heavens to the ground, and create dissent among angels, mortals and nephalems alike.
Yeah, Deckard Cain failed to save Humanity on many occasions, but my guess is he's only the modest survivor of the Horadrim, tired and weak from his old age and traumas, he couldn't have done any better.
A very lonely old man who studies and records anything Diablo/Demon related, seen unspeakable horrors and many deaths of those around him also while not getting close to anyone due to inevitable death, and always being asked for help from the player? I'd also adopt Leah just for someone to talk to and finally able to have a connection with someone.
Gotta drown her tho
@@DarkLOREDash True. I also like Leah as a character as well so I comment is a little biased. Only good thing to come out of Diablo 3 imo
It wasn't as much Cain who was an idiot, as it was a problem with Diablo III's writing. That game, especially the retcons to Diablo I, was utterly stupid.
I don't understand how Tyrael rips of his wings, gets ejected by heaven itself. Just to come back as a Mortal to stay with them again as the Human of Wisdom? I'm confused maybe I missed something but this shit is too wild
Fair point. I believe that lore-wise, Diabloverse ends up being very strange. They started out with Biblical concepts of angels n demons, heaven n hell etc, but eventually you can walk into hell located near downtown Walmart, or going upstairs to hang out with your angelic brothers. These places are no longer realms, and the creatures no longer spiritual. Demons n angels would just respawn after being killed anyway making you wonder what’s the point.
I dunno, YMMV but to me, the whole point was that Cain’s tragic flaw was his humanity, just like Adrian, just like the Rogue, and so many others who have fallen before the Prime Evils. I’m expecting that trend to continue with the nephalem being able to champion only by embracing the human side of their heritage (which would make Tyrael’s becoming mortal foreshadowing and not just stupidity) and thereby providing something of a redemption arc for humanity in Sanctuary.
This is a very profound take, thank you!
Ms Taylor I’m aware, I was using gender neutral terms to refer to the player character not speaking in plural.
Game LORE Dash thank you! I look forward to your videos and the comments section conversations! You’re providing a service, sir, and one I appreciate; living in a small town in the rust belt, we don’t get a lot of lore hounds in my neighborhood. 😉
i just can't understand y back in tristram in d2, the demons won't kill cain outright... instead they made a cage and put cain into it ... as though as he'll suffer more to watch his friends die rather than die himself ... mabe it's better if he locked inside inside one of the cottages and griswold will try to break down the door as the player enters via the portal ... but yeah ... i've always suspected his allegiance as a result of that (along with tyrael's) as I played on ... haha
How you do this must take HUGE amount of time! I truly love your videos! Poor Deckard Cain, we all loved him, yet you are right.
AT 2:00 you said it yourself: Decard Cain is not and idiot as idiot is one without intelligence, he is a fool as fool is one without wisdom.
While i dont disagree i must add 1 point: Deckard did not believe in the horadric stories until Diablo escaped Tristram. And i think its hard to blame him for not taking action cause that point of view was pretty based. Like imagine you are brought up being told that your ancestors banished demons and the like. By that point ppl had forgotten about the prime evils. He was teached in the horadric ways so once he realized that everything was true he had the knowledge at the ready but he basically just understood what was up when Aiden and his crew showed up in Tristram.
when your WIS is 20 but your INT is 2
Wonder if Blizzard will pull a Medivh on him...
he could also be the next aspect of wisdom, if tyreal is doomed to die.
Ngl, the "you think me mad old freind" line is getting really tiresome
I've been watching your genius and idiot videos and I saw a pattern. Most of the geniuses are villains while there are a lot of idiots on the good side. Which leads me to: are there any geniuses on the good side? Are there any idiots on the bad side? Hoping to be enlightened Dash :)
Heya! I never thought of it like that however I think the writing for D3 skewed in favour of the burning hells!
@@DarkLOREDash yeah i mean no matter how many times they are defeated they just come right back, like dude said your fate is already sealed your will all burn or something like that.
No matter what happens along the way the end is in favor of diablo so any in between is just prolonging the inevitable
I'm late to the party, but it reminds me of one of the best lines in Spaceballs "evil will always triumph over good because good is dumb" lol
Gerard Butler at Cain's grave?
Tyreal is basically a corrupt State's Attorney trying to get convictions... 🤣
Kinda harsh. At 127 you see 1 hero turned and the second hero walks away. You know that the 3 primes are obsessed with Sanctuary. You have the opportunity to raise a powerful witch, youre going to take it lol especially if you waited to long once before. Maybe he thought Leah could beat Diablo instead of join him
I get it, I just dont think, after the Dark Wanderer, you could take that risk without failsafes
@@DarkLOREDash I dont understand what youre saying? Cain was being old AF in town when Aiden socketed his face lol The journal entry you had says as much. What was he suppose to do at that point, fist fight the guy who just killed diablo??
@@roymcdre9180 he had 2 more games to lvl up. Adria did so by magnitudes. Also socketed his face is the best description ever
With the last example for the blade of justice you failed to recognize, Malthael's actions are just. Tyrael the archangel of wisdom can't cut anyone down that he thinks is unjust, because the sword looks at justice without a moral lens and thus can't harm Malthael. Disregarding morals/ethics, Malthael is just in killing all demons regardless of how much angel blood they contain.
No, I fully embrace this fact.
@@DarkLOREDash Sorry, it's just by the way you said it I thought you didn't know.
I think cain is just an old man who has read to many damn things and gets a bit confused
tyraels sword only harms evil doers. and trying to rid sanctuary of all traces of demons, isnt evil in the eyes of the sword.
still hoping that deckard cain comes back as the arch-angel of wisdom, I would stay for an eternity and listen if it did happen.
Perhaps watch this 19 minutes again as it explains there was literally no wisdom to be found in deckard’s brain
I thought he taught Leia so she might be able to resist her heritage. Which honestly would have been much better than turning her straight to evil.
"For some reason"....Umm....Tyrael explicitly stated his reasoning before clipping himself.
Imagine If you will a skyrim style diablo 4 with the same challenge of diablo 2 and same characters. That is my dream.
I have to remind everyone that before D1 demons had stop appear for at least thousands of years,
even Deckard still remember and told everyone about the lore is because he honor his mother in this way, not because he really belive in it
so its not fair to blame him to not take it seriously in D1
The fact that all the heros of D1 get fucked over and most of the heros of D2 get fucked over it makes sense that the heros of D3 get fucked over too.
But let's be real, Cain should be untouchable considering all he's witnessed and survived. After all he's the narrator and chronicler.
Sounds like Deckard Cain did not pass his finals.
i think the old guy is lorath nahr because in d3 he is quite close to tyrael