@thunderstar254 Even if it just helps someone just 1 person stay safe it was worth the years of watching this video and writing it! Her boyfriends friend swore it would be fine and she trusted them... please Noone drive like this! Bum a ride or hell even walk!
@@StrengthFromGiving booo your wrong sure he didn't break down the exact makeup and structural stability of a tire and all the science that goes into it, but he was very very accurate in his assessment, you don't repair sidewall damage PERIOD.
I am a tire technician and you are absolutely correct about the sidewall. The sidewall is what supports everything and any compromise in it compromises the integrity of the entire tire. This is also why in the US sidewall repairs are illegal and tires with sidewall repairs are illegal to sell or use. This tire will definitely blow out and it will be more devastating then the first time before the patch and take even more material with it. Never do this.
If your a tire guy you should have noticed that it is not a radial tire but a Bias ply , but you would be correct if it was a radial it should never been fixed
@@willfalk5445 bias ply doesnt mean it can be repaired or that integrity of the tire is not compromised. Bias ply is great for puncture resistance but is a poor choice in terms of fuel economy as they have more resistance and wear faster. These tires are used on trailers typically. However, the law in the US prohibits sidewall repairs on any kind of tire and any kind of repair except scuffing. You might be able to patch a nail hole without issues but the hole demonstrated in the video will leave the sidewall compromised even on bias ply. I work on the commercial side in regards to tires in the US. Virtually all passenger vehicles that are non commercial is going to be using radial.
That's what I was told when I snapped my totally new tire against a pointy sidewalk, the guy told me he could make a repair but at the risk of basically losing a tire and getting killed, for what a tire costs not worth the risk IMO
As someone who actually builds tires for a living, this is true. When your sidewall goes, get rid of the tire. You're just asking for a catastrophic failure if you just patch it.
@@Laker.Boy. I would replace it still. Gotta make sure the sidewall is what it should be, no bubbles, even the littlest. It could get worse later on. It sucks, but you’re going to be paying for a new tire and not risking your life or others.
@@Laker.Boy. through luck, I lasted a week on a large bubble on my sidewall before I got it replaced, my fiancé’s car had the slightest indication that there was some buldging but nowhere near a bubble and it full on blew the same day on the highway. Better safe than sorry✊🏽
I worked in an auto shop and in USAF aircraft maintenance for 11yrs combined. I would never patch a whole within an inch of the sidewall. He's absolutely correct here.
@@SanHydronoid You can do tread all day. As long as your reasonable of course. The tread can't have an entire patch of rubber missing, and then you try and patch it.
@@SanHydronoid A patch must be done at least 1/2 inch from the steel belt lining of the sidewall and should not be done on tread with less than 7/16 inch or legal limit for road conditions. Most mechanics/tire repair men will not patch a hole larger than a 1/4 inch. Multiple patches can be done if the holes are 16 inches apart.
@@Stig69 I’m AGE and every time I see a chief rolling out a tire I know I’m gonna have to swing out the nite cart and axel jack. Granted Aircraft tires look to be a lot nice to do swaps on the Bomblift tires or tow bar tires… those are a whole different breed of pain in the ass.
Correct! We had a tractor for plowing snow. Both rear wheel tires had patches that covered 12" slits. There was never a safety or other problem for decades because the tractor never went over 10-15 mph.
I'm sure that works tire shops are lazy and don't want to work. There's no money to be made if they do this. They just want to sell you a new or old tire
I worked at a tire shop and we refused to patch holes in the sidewall. It was a liability issue. Once the sidewall is damaged the entire when is no longer safe and it’s better to buy a new one. Many people thought we were just trying to scam them and get them to spend more money. But I can tell you as someone who then worked later in life as a tow truck driver, that I’ve seen many many accidents that were the result of a blow out sidewall. It’s not something to risk your life over.
It is also illegal in the US to repair sidewalls as well as sell tires with sidewall repairs. Also you can't patch a tread hole that is within a certain distance of the sidewall as well. Not just a liability because its dangerous but also because it is illegal
Agree, very true, the Liability is rather high. But unfortunately if your skilled enough this repair will outlast the normal wear of the tread. It's much like Welding repairs. You have welders that can safely and properly repair broken metal parts. And their are also so-called welders that think they can weld and the part is not safe. Same thing with tire repairs.
@@Lilmiket1000 if all that happened was it got scuffed or also known as curbed. If its not too severe they are allowed to buff it as well as add a bit of material to make it look nice again. But any holes in the sidewall or severe splits are supposed to not be repaired. It used to be common practice to do it and some tires continue to do good afterwards however DOT saw that the failure rate of patched sidewall tires was just too high as well as it was a hidden danger as well. But yes some sidewall repaired tires do manage to survive the rest of its time just it isnt something you should expect or rely on.
@@DaisyKarensunfloweryea, if there is a hole this size on the thread the tire is getting tossed. Rather pay 75 for a new tire then 15 for some hackjob that can cost me my life.
@V T seriously fuck some people. Yesterday I went to the bathroom and the guy before me shit all over the seat and didn't flush... how the fuck are you going to leave it like that
I build truck tires for almost 3 years. At Continental Truck Tire in Illinois, and the sidewall repair is on the dangerous side. Because he compromised the air proof lining of the tire. And he caused the Body Ply wires to stretch and contort unnecessarily in the sidewall repair. Overlapped wires or stretched wires in the body ply during Tire buildup process would cause a scrap tire.
Wrong, it's called a section repar. You would be amazed at how many semi trucks on the road have section repairs. I too am in the tire industry. I've sent tractor tires with bigger holes than that in the sidewall to have repaired.
@@bto1533 do you mean tire industry association ? What a joke . Basically you pay a couple hundred dollars a year for a magazine subscription and a plaque for your wall. The training is a 20 minute online course. I wouldn't brag dude. I grew up in the tire from a small child. I've replaced or repaired tires on just about everything that has tires on it. From hand carts to earth movers from toys to airplanes and everything in-between. Don't try to act like you know something everyone else doesn't
@@krombopulosrick7920 you sir are misinformed. You not going to tell me anything about American tire industry. I've spent my whole life in it. Go pretend to know what you're talking about to someone who doesn't know more than you. I'm not saying the repair in this video is a common practice or even acceptable. I am saying that sidewall repairs are common and acceptable.
As an actual tire expert- we have very specific ply specs for the fabric ply including the gauge of the material calendered on to the fabric, the gauge of the fabric itself, the density of fabric endings per inch, etc. along with that sidewall stocks are specifically compounded for abrasion resistance and adhesion compatibility with the plies that lie underneath, the inner liner that the rim cushion contacts, and the base of the tread. Finally your inner liner is a specific butyl or halobutyl based stock that has very poor compatibility with other rubber types. Odds are that anything you try to adhere to it will separate over time. Also the reason they use the halo butyl and chlorobutyl is due to its low gas permeability. Air doesn’t escape from those polymers quickly. There is way more complexity than what I’ve listed but that’s just a few issues that are evident when you view these types of videos Source - I was a compounding chemist and I now work as a quality engineer for a major tire manufacturer
This type of sidewall repair worked back before 1974 when tires were bias ply. Bias ply tires have intersecting cords on the sidewall but a radial tire the cords run parallel on the sidewall so a tear can and will continue to run between the cords with no cordage intersecting the tear to stop it.
Thank you for knowing what you're talking about instead of regurgitating the uneducated crap everyone else is spewing. Bias ply tires are still available and yes you can do some massive repairs. The video also shows uncured rubber, heat vulcanizing, a sidewall mold and other proper equipment for this type of repair, ON A BIAS TIRE.
And suspension parts. Years ago, I remember telling a guy NOT to buy Chinese ball joints for his Mercury. He wanted to save money, but had to pay me to replace them TWICE in the same week. 🙄
@@A_Cowboy_called_JackRabbit my friend once wanted to go to a junkyard to look for a subframe🤦🏻he also bought used tires and crashed a month later, addicts are sad people lol
Was a tireguy for 2 years in high school. No reputable shop will ever repair a sidewall. It's dangerous, and a major liability. Also, if you have a flat and you've driven on it, the service manager at the shop isn't scamming you when he says you need a new tire. Driving on the flat causes irreparable damage to the inner layers of the tire's sidewall. If you went 100 yds or whatever, looking for a safe place to stop, it's not gonna be a problem. If you drove any significant amount, the inside of the tire will be full of "pixie dust." Rubber shavings broken off from the hard inner sidewall lining. That tire is a blowout hazard. Don't fight with the guys at reputable shops. They're not trying to rip you off. They're trying to keep you safe.
I had a leak in my tire from a nail or something. Tried to get a new tire, they suggested I just patch it 🤷 said the tire was still pretty good.. But now I'm wondering if I should still go ahead and get another tire 🤔
Listen to this man. I’ve driven with a flat for a few km then patched it and reninflated it lasted maybe 700 m post repair and blew out at least it was a rear
@@4everSouljaTread patches are just fine. Nails don't get in sidewalls by running over them. Your tire ought to be fine. The shop the patched my tire wouldn't even patch a tread if it was punctured too close to the edge. Good thing for me that it wasn't.
Thanks for explaining this. Discount tire would check and see if my hole was 'inner' or not, and I never knew why they'd repair one type of hole and not the other.
I’ve never seen a repair quite like this, but the fact that they have an entire machine dedicated to this operation must speak for something. The Kevlar in the sidewalk is all ripped, but they stitched in new thread to replace it, and then built up layers of vulcanizing rubber, and bonded it with the heat press thing. Honestly, it seems kinda legit.
It is, as this guy says, he’s no tire expert. The fact that a shop spent the money to buy a vulcanizing press expressly for this sort of repair speaks volumes, the rest of the world repairs sidewalls all the time. They don’t do 100 mph on asphalt, but they do stress the tire and they hold up just fine.
that press is meant to do patches on the tread or bias ply tires, radial tires aren't able to be repaired in this way. regardless of stitching it up which will just tare through the rubber...
Changed tires for three years was my first couple of jobs working in tire shops. That is terrifying. You never for any reason ever patch a sidewall puncture of any kind much less a blow out no matter how small.
@@calebarneson9191 it helps. Some stuff seems weird but actually works I havent watched this video past 15s and why should i? Dude says he has no clue what hes talking about
The amount of times a customer has bitched to either patch or plug a sidewall. To the point we have them sign a stupidity waiver in the case dumb shit happens after warning them a million times. We just let it go.
The same thing happens in construction... Anything safety wise we simply say, sorry we can't do it. But if the person wants a cheaper product installed, we warn them,advise against it, and sometimes still won't even do it. If they really don't care, we do it but always get a call back. It's just not worth pinching pennies in some areas. I've actually had a kidney surgeon ask me to reuse old,curled,black shingles and to simply " just flip them around...
ive gone to tire shops to get a plug, and they wont do it. Went to the store got a plug and did it myself. tire was fine. Heard that story plenty of times as well.
@@lynch42o How would you live with yourself if you had a blowout and took out a family? It's been fine for loads of people who have done it, but it's also been a disaster for others. I'm happy enough to gamble with my own life but I've no right to gamble with other peoples.
I get that customers can be a pain in the a*s sometimes. But that waiver wont help you either way if the dude/gal ends up killing someone when the tire desintigrates itself. In any court of law youll be told that you as the expert cannot just simply aid the customer in stupid choices because hes being difficult about it since the customer is not in a position where he can judge the risk or is able to "take the risk upon himself" simply because he lacks the knowledge to be able to judge. So your waiver is a useless piece of paper with meaningless letters on it. Not trying to be a dick here, just helping out
People do this in other countries all the time. Theres so much stuff repaired in other countries or have manual versions of things we never knew about, like a manual blender. In the usa, we've been conditioned to buy new and throw away old so we are always buying and shopping.
Dude just because third world countries do this shit doesn’t make it safe. People literally die from this shit damn near daily in those countries too. What an idiotic statement
I've taken tires to shops to get patched, whenever it was in the side wall; they refused to patch it. If someone is doing this, they need to be shutdown; they're going to kill someone
@@JohnSmith-fq3rg A blowout that could happen while cruising down the interstate at 70mph, pulling your vehicle immediately to one side due to the massively increased friction and smashing into the guardrail or someone else. Have you ever had a tire go flat at high speed in a light vehicle? It's not something you can easily control, especially if you aren't expecting it.
Worked in a retread shop. This man is correct. When we have a tire with a side wall blowout, they get sent to a shredder company to get shredded and turned into either powder chips for play grounds or melted down into new repourposed rubber components like mats for garages.
Pretty accurate assessment from the guy doing the commentary (certified to work on semi/commercial tires - they can be very dangerous, ie "zipper ruptures", multipiece wheel incompatability being overlooked, internal tire fires, lubricated wheel hub fires). Guy looks like he sorta knows what hes doing, but as you said, the sidewall is not to be patched. You *could*, depending on the location and size of the hole (usually about an inch from the edge of the tread, no bigger than the size of a bic pen/#2 pencil, and even thats kinda big), but with that being so far from the tread/so close to the bead (what holds the weight of the entire vehicle, combined w/internal psi), thats a nightmare waiting to happen for anything over 20 mph (if i had to guess, but wouldnt even mount this tired/would trash it, personally). Replacing a tire or two will save you from replacing your entire vehicle and watching your insurance rates go up (they would blame you, as this is not an advisable thing to do, like, ever) I will give the guy props for effort/approach, though. Even rebaked the spot he patched to cure the rubber (the correct term escapes me at the moment). Just buy a new tire, tho, fs
You see, the dang carbonators expanded, so whatcha wanna do is replace the axel, rewire the main power circuit for the engine, and replace the transmission. At'le be twente too huned dolars.
I was always taught that the sidewall is like a spring. Absorbs shock and reinforces the tire. Patching the sidewall is similar to deleting the shock on your car. It may work for a bit, until you hit a bump or go too fast.
@@corataylor2205 I used to work at dtc too. No one gets paid on commission except the highest lvl manager. We don't give a flying fuck if you buy a tire or not
@IronwolfXVI except that it isn't. This is a legitimate and very strong repair that is used throughout most of the rest of the world. Only here in the western world do we have this culture of throwing things away and getting a new one if something breaks or gets damaged. When you use wood glue to join two pics of wood, the joint becomes the strongest part of the object. This patching method works much the same way. That patch has been pressed and vulcanized, making it part of the tire sidewall and every bit as strong.
I worked for 18 years at a major tire manufacturing company. What the guy is doing in this video is a legit repair. They repair and reuse the tires from all over the world. The side wall is rigid enough to accept the repair. As long as the rubber repair is cured properly. He used a all and pure rubber to make sure there is no air trapped in between the layers. Its not as good as a new tire but it will last for a few 1000 miles.
I'm no tire guy myself except I mountain balance my own tires using oil just a small amount and I can tell that this is a legit fix I guess maybe it has to do with my welding experience but as long as you apply the new wire behind the broken cords that should give you the strength and then like you said apply it so there is no air between the patch creating separation and there's a complete fusion between the new and old rubber it should be just as good if not better
the issue is that the threads holding the sidewall together is made up of tightly woven cloth, whatever this guy in the video did, did not put in the fucking effort to make sure it has the same flexibility as the rest of the sidewall.
@@xracecar I am more than confident that he used the proper material he had the actual machine to do the job it's not his first time and they make a machine to apply this patch just like most other things to do with tires it probably came in a kit
PSA to all JUNKYARD/SCRAPYARD enthusiasts: Make sure to check the sidewall on any tires you get from there. A lot of times the yards will leave the tires out in the sun all day and if you see cracks of any kind on the walls don’t even consider getting the tire.
The way the reinforcement layers are arranged and vulcanized into the rubber is the key to the flexibility and strength and that patch job is indeed a accident waiting to happen. It's not a conspiracy, tires are an incredible piece of engineering and much more complicated than most people give credit to.
@@xxnatas69xx right on! Thanks for the detail. I always take pride in knowing as much as I can about our world, so that I may appreciate the workers and brains behind a product, as well as understand the value behind it all. It makes it that much easier to not fall for cheats and charlatans as well ;) thank you for being part of one of the most crucial parts in our life's! Stay safe and stay motivated!
@@mackcity74gdn89 You should see the amount of customers that come in with tyres from 2016 or a bunch of mismatched set of tyres with different tread, dates and sizes, justying they haven’t driven them for 50k miles yet
Some of the younger generation just can't comprehend what you are explaining no matter how simple you explain..They immediately believe we are just trying to sell new tires very pathetic.Some time you can't fix a tire and you can't fix stupid either..
Electrical tape like that can be rolled up length wise and used as a makeshift tire plug. Light the end sticking out so it melts down and kinda glues it to tire. Gets you out of the brairpatch anyways.
@@Roberto9696-q7s That is perhaps how the law works on your side of the pond. In the UK driving on a tire repaired like that would be a motoring offence which would land the driver in court and subject to a criminal conviction.
The only thing you missed is that the shoulder is considered a major part of the tire along with the tread and sidewall. Other than that, as a certified expert, this explanation is spot on. Now, if only customers would realize this as well 😂
So maybe you can help me understand a little more about spare tires cause I was always told you’re only suppose to drive like 50 miles on one? But I was literally going out of state to fck with this chick(like a 6 hour round trip) and I did it at least 5-6 times. Also, I literally never got a new tire for that car…I drove it till I couldn’t anymore…but it wasn’t because of the tires lol I had to be on that thing for 6+ months…and I was like 20 so I was ripping and running constantly.
@Jordan Cave thanks bro that was a good read lol 😆, but sure I can help you out They say only drive 50 because wheels need to be torqued to a certain specification, and excessive speed plus a loose wheel means disaster. Also. Having one smaller tire can cause uneven wear on the rest of the tires over time, which shortens the overall life of the tire
Not just un-even tire wear, but also stresses control arms, bushings, shock/struts especially of older vehicles with aging parts that haven't been replaced and still in dependable/safe condition.
First job I had outta high school was at a tire shop. First thing we learned fixing and patching leaks was anything on the sidewall is done and is a hazard just like this man is saying.
I'm sure new tire sales with higher profit margins have absolutely nothing to do this. 🤣🤣 If you go to an Apple store, they will tell you that you need a new iPhone every year when it could be fixed by a 3rd party.
@Nick Güer what on earth is your problem??? And from what you said, it appeared you meant you cant put a tube in a radial tyre. Given thats what you said
I didn’t realize how dangerous it was to have a tire blow at freeway speeds, I’ve had it happen to me twice at 90+ and was able to slow down/ steer both times no problem. One time I had my caliper rattle clip pop off and the caliper kept locking on one rear wheel and just thought it was hydroplaning a bit. Eventually the actual lug bolts failed from the vibration and the rotor/ wheel broke off at over 100 but somehow miraculously stayed in the fender well
I did a DIY plug job on a nearly new tyre (Yes "tyre", I'm British), I was told by my local tyre place it was about 1/4 of an inch too close to the side wall for them to guarantee a repair (keep in mind this did put it in the tread section of the tyre but only just) so I decided to do a DIY repair on it myself and just use it as the spare. A few months go by and i check my "repaired" tyre in the spare wheel well having done no miles on it, and right along side the repair I did was a bulge the size of your fist. Just glad I never needed to trust my life to that tyre. Moral of the story - Dont eff around with the side wall of your tyres.
@@woofwgn the MOT only tests what is there, if you take your spare wheel out you cant fail for not having one but you can fail if you have one and the tyre is illegal
Imagine it ruptured while you were driving. (Not driving on the tire, just with it as the spare) That would be the most confusing situation ever, no plowen tires but you heard a blown tire
@@Blue_Shirt_Guy go to farm equipment auctions and you will find lots of old tires with this type of patch on farm equipment . They usually put the patch facing the vehicle side and YES some of the tires on equipment is as old as 1988 manufacturing dates & still getting the job done . I've even seen people spray paint old tires black to make them look new to sell the equipment at farm equipment auctions .
@@craigalston2208 I'd factor the price of new tires in on my bidding process. Tires have a shelf life. dirt farmers don't care. Dirt farmers only care about saving pennies, while burning dollars.
@@Blue_Shirt_Guy Maybe, I have a disability that I have been unaware of my whole life. However, I feel I just read a response made up of bullshit that was unrelated to you being told how wrong you were?
I work at a heavy equipment and heavy truck shop. Sullivan tire will fix a side wall for us and it is a legit repair on an 18 wheeler 🤷🏻♂️. Our fleet has no issues with them.
@@sethh2861 i was told liability. Yes it works but the owner felt that it could fail and if so cause a wreck. This could come back on him and his insurance.
@@Keith-jp6jw They are running a risky operation by doing sidewall repairs if this is in the US. It is illegal for any shop to repair sidewalls and sell sidewall repaired tires. Are you sure you are not mistaking like a crack on the sidewall being filled and buffed? As long as the crack isn't severe they are allowed to fill it in and buff it.
As a tire tech that has worked at a couple different shops, the rule has always been to not patch a hole if it was more than .5-1.0 inches down the sidewall. Edit: this is not a “do what you wanna do” scenario. DO NOT DRIVE A COMPROMISED TIRE ON THE ROAD. YOU WOULD BE PUTTING EVERYONE ELSE IN EXTREME DANGER.
As a TIA certified trainer with almost 2 decades experience, I can definitely say you have never worked at a real garage in your life. You don't patch a sidewall anywhere. 🤣 🤣 🤣 You don't even patch a tire on the shoulder tread area.
@@rundownthriftstore sorry in advance its gonna be long. ok so think of it like this. If you are looking at the tread (contact patch, area that contacts pavement), none of that is sidewall. When the weight of the car is on the tire, looking at the part of the tire that bulges out slightly at the bottom that passes from rim to the ground but still doesn't contact the ground is the sidewall. Absolutely no part of the sidewall is legal to commercially patch per TIA rules and the tire must be taken out of service as it is now a safety hazard. Back on the tread side (contact area of tire) it is only commercially allowed to patch a tire in the center tread area between the two outer most water sipes (there is some leeway here as different tires have different treads). The outer shoulder tread area that is still part of the contact patch but outside the outer water sipes, is off limits for a commercial patch as it will not hold in this position and again the tire must be put out of service. A commercial grade tire patch consists of a one piece plug/patch or a 2 piece plug and patch both of which must be installed from the inside of the tire. These patches can only be installed on the tread area as the steel bands, which are only in the tread area, not only keep the tread from flexing but with a properly installed patch won't rust out due to road debris. The other issue is when you install a patch you need to drill out the injury area with a special carbide drill tool. This cuts multiple steel cords which is why it can't be done in the shoulder tread as it's too close to the soft sidewall. In doing a patch in the outer shoulder area let alone sidewall, not only will the patch fail as it flexes every time the tire rolls over that spot but the steel bands being cut close to the sidewall destroys the internal structure of the tire which could lead to a blow out and possible fatalities. DOT inspects every tire of car crashes that are due to tire blowouts. If they find a patch improperly installed, the technician who installed the patch can be held responsible for the accident, hit with fines, damages, and manslaughter if it went that far. And yes those slimjim punch plugs you can buy at Walmart or any auto shop do not count as permanent plugs. They are just a temporary fix to get you to a proper tire shop/garage. Sorry for the long drawn out answer.
@@ThornyPickled yeah... at first I thought they were just another mechanic being an a..hole. We all are so I was. but then they asked why and I realized they may have just been taught wrong and legitimately don't know. So sorry bout that haha.
As a former tire technician, thank you for speaking truth. It’s insane how many people forgo the few extra dollars for road hazard coverage on their tires, just to have to spend twice, if not 3 times the amount on a new tire when they get a nail stuck too close to the sidewall. Car common sense (ie tire pressure, oil and fluids check, positive and negative on the terminals) should be required before people get their license. Once had someone blame us for ruining their car, when they pulled the battery out themselves, bought the incorrect one without ever asking us (bought a 51, needed a 51R with reversed terminals) installed it themselves, and blames us when their electronics failed as a result.
I actually rode on a patch like this for a year, throughout winter as well, we were in a remote place near the arctic , and plane drop offs never got the tire for about 11 months. I also use this on my bias ply muds, I haven't had a bad time yet. 100 to 200 km a day on the tire, minus every other Saturday and Sunday. Alot of things in this world can be repaired.. or listen to the guy selling the tires.
Same. I’ve had patched sidewalls and ran them just fine. In every other part of the world, tires are a lot harder to come by, and they don’t just get replaced. If I have the money and can swing it, I do replace them…but to say that it WILL fail is incorrect. In Africa, this tire is just getting broken in!
Props to the guy for giving the video a fair shake and sharing that there is a use for these busted old tires, they have some use left in them but it's not on the road and definitely not on the highway.
I am a tire expert. I am both USTMA, Bridgestone, and ASE certified. This is a stupid, unsafe, and life threatening type of repair. If your sidewall is damaged. the tire is toast. End of story.
You are speaking facts….even a slice from a razor blade across the outer layer of a tire will cause the tire to bubble first and then blow and it usually happens when the tire gets hot from friction when driving
There's a reason damn near any shop you visit with a tire like this will flat out refuse to repair it. Once you have a sidewall blowout, the structural integrity of that tire is compromised.
@@DiscoMiatacompanies don't train their employees to do it because it's not worth the effort for a tire that won't last. No shop worth their salt wants that liability.
@@MrDAllen1124 what? Shops in the USA? Realize these fixes are mainly used in country’s where this is practical, I can literally pull a better used tire off the road side here in the USA. When you can’t afford a can of redbull while also feeding your family, this is the fix to go too. Your privilege is showing my man.
This kind of repair is actually quite common in developing countries, as purchasing a tyres (even a local made one) is around 60-100 dollars per tyre and that is very expensive if your salaries is only around 200-300 dollar a month
@@ineedapharmists ok lemme put this in a different way, tires in developing countries are 50%+ for just the cheapest tires. That's still insanely expensive
@vortrekking boer if you're an American then yeah maybe it's cheap, but if a single tyre costs almost half of your monthly salaries, then it is expensive.
They do this in Mexico and Latin America 1000 times a day and heat and vulcanized it in the end and they are fine and don't blow up. I had a tire fixed this way and you can barely even tell where they are fixed in the end.
Spot on mate! If you take a car tyre with sidewall damage they SHOULD refuse to even attempt repairing it! As you say, 'repairing' this would be @#£%ing DANGEROUS!
When a rubber tire is vulcanized it forms sulfur links between the other structures. I think the primary issue is that it's probably not easy at all to fill in new sulfer links at the edges where this patch is made to the pre-vulvanized tire. A tire is actually a singular giant molecule by definition because of how it's linked, and patching it after primary vulcanization, will likely not yield a true monolithic structure in the end.
i've done repairs like this.. they have not shown whole repair process .. there is soppose to be patch on the inside with 3-4 plies .. it is simultaneously vulkanized.. and it can turn out nice.. little bit more counter weight needed dough.
@@vojislavdragic5090 but how can it fully vulcanize to the surface of the tire that has already had this process done to it? I'm not sure if a bonded patch actually forms the full sulfer bonds needed to be considered a single molecule, so it might still be structurally weaker if it isn't latticed together with the original vulcanization and setting process. I believe you that they are vulcanizing the patch, but unsure it bonds as strongly as a single-vulcanized object, which in some cases might be critical.
Not that I endorse this and you are absolutely correct that once the sides are compromised the whole tyre is compromised....... But.... You'd be surprised how many tires patched up like this run in the third world and hold out until the threads show....😮
LOL this is what happens when you speak about something you never seen in your life. That tire will probably last 30k Km more, it's a common practice in my country
If its done properly with high heat to vulcanize the rubber back into it and yes it could work just fine. But i too would use it on the farm not the street at any high speeds.. hes not using regular tape but special self adhering tape here too...
Agreed, I've booted up some golf ball sizes holes on tractor tires, but to do that to a road tire is crazy, and I'm willing to bet the balance is way off, only increasing the likelihood of a blowout.
As a certified Bridgestone tire repair technician I can tell you right now, this tire is a straight up bomb. Trust me y'all, if your car tire's sidewall is injured at all just get a new tire! Seriously this is not worth risking your life or the lives of others.
On semi tires you can repair the sidewall it's called a section repair. it includes a lot of grinding down like this guy did they spot weld new wires in the belts. Back fill it with rubber and also put a super heavy reinforced patch that covers from one bead to the other bead. When it's done properly the tire is just as dependable as a brand new tire
Aircraft tire engineer here (I design high load bearing tires) A puncture like that is not viable for use anymore. It’s actually cheaper to just replace the tire than risk liability of quality patchwork, especially for semi trucks.
@@bryancline8893 all the tire debris you see on the highways is from Bandag recaps, not sectioned sidewalls. 40 years in the industry, my father and grandfather before me, family business. for the record, I have never run, or put a sectioned tire on the road, but if done properly I do know sectioning of semi-truck tire sidewalls is safe. Here in the states it is not something that is really even done for the last 20 years at least.
I completely agree this tire should never be run on the road again. I've been in the tire business for 7 years as an installer & seen many things. For safety sake this tire is done.
In India or Pakistan places like that this is probably quite common, i was in manila years ago, the taxi front had worn thru several layers of canvas!!
I used to work in a tire center we did everything and for the love of god please for your safety and other’s safety do not play around when it comes to tires people will get hurt and potentially loose life’s
I had a nail or a screw puncture a tire. Our fleet I typically have 2-3 a year with the mileage I drive, diverse locations, jobsites, etc. This one had ended up on the edge of the tread, and even though it was an extremely new tire they said because of its location they didn't feel comfortable putting a patch on it. You shouldn't take chances on something supporting you moving lots of weight at high speed
My friend was killed because a guy did this and she got on interstate n blew out rolled her 4 times
JEEZUS!!! im sorry for your loss
So sorry for your loss. Thanks for your comment, might've saved lives.
@thunderstar254 Even if it just helps someone just 1 person stay safe it was worth the years of watching this video and writing it! Her boyfriends friend swore it would be fine and she trusted them... please Noone drive like this! Bum a ride or hell even walk!
Sorry for your loss
This is horrible. i was considering this cuz i just ran over a huge pothole and messed up the sidewall. so weird how the world works
Zombies would have to be chasing me to trust that tire.
I’d honestly chance it with the zombies
Fact😂
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Thats just because you are poorly educated about tires
Facts!
Dude said he wasn't a tire expert, yet it sounded like he said it perfectly.
just comon knowledge of how a tire works..
He was humble about saying what he knows that he knows, ya know? LOL 😆
@@LNKOutdoors Nothing about what he said is accurate. Tires are made from overlapping cords, their integrity is not based on the side wall...
@@StrengthFromGiving booo your wrong sure he didn't break down the exact makeup and structural stability of a tire and all the science that goes into it, but he was very very accurate in his assessment, you don't repair sidewall damage PERIOD.
It’s just common sense which a lot of people don’t have nowadays.
I'm not a tire expert! Starts speaking the language of the tire gods
He knows tire
Lol
😂
It’s because he knows that everyone in the comments are “experts”
Lmao facts...lmaooooo
I am a tire technician and you are absolutely correct about the sidewall. The sidewall is what supports everything and any compromise in it compromises the integrity of the entire tire. This is also why in the US sidewall repairs are illegal and tires with sidewall repairs are illegal to sell or use. This tire will definitely blow out and it will be more devastating then the first time before the patch and take even more material with it. Never do this.
If your a tire guy you should have noticed that it is not a radial tire but a Bias ply , but you would be correct if it was a radial it should never been fixed
@@willfalk5445 bias ply doesnt mean it can be repaired or that integrity of the tire is not compromised. Bias ply is great for puncture resistance but is a poor choice in terms of fuel economy as they have more resistance and wear faster. These tires are used on trailers typically. However, the law in the US prohibits sidewall repairs on any kind of tire and any kind of repair except scuffing. You might be able to patch a nail hole without issues but the hole demonstrated in the video will leave the sidewall compromised even on bias ply. I work on the commercial side in regards to tires in the US. Virtually all passenger vehicles that are non commercial is going to be using radial.
That's what I was told when I snapped my totally new tire against a pointy sidewalk, the guy told me he could make a repair but at the risk of basically losing a tire and getting killed, for what a tire costs not worth the risk IMO
@@gosonegr he was telling you the truth about your tire you can not repair a sidewall in a radial tire
I’m sorry but when did we start calling tyre fitters technicians?
As someone who actually builds tires for a living, this is true. When your sidewall goes, get rid of the tire. You're just asking for a catastrophic failure if you just patch it.
Wat if there is a long bubble on the sidewall. Not to bulging but can see one
@@Laker.Boy. I would replace it still. Gotta make sure the sidewall is what it should be, no bubbles, even the littlest. It could get worse later on. It sucks, but you’re going to be paying for a new tire and not risking your life or others.
thanks for the tip boss
@@spikypikachu1162 ok bro thanks
@@Laker.Boy. through luck, I lasted a week on a large bubble on my sidewall before I got it replaced, my fiancé’s car had the slightest indication that there was some buldging but nowhere near a bubble and it full on blew the same day on the highway. Better safe than sorry✊🏽
as a guy who worked in a shop that only did tires and repairs for 12 years, you said everything perfectly
Im pretty certain that patch job costs the same as a good used tire...
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All the big retread companies, now sell these tires. Those guys are experts in tire repair.
I worked in an auto shop and in USAF aircraft maintenance for 11yrs combined. I would never patch a whole within an inch of the sidewall. He's absolutely correct here.
What about Tread?
@@SanHydronoid You can do tread all day. As long as your reasonable of course. The tread can't have an entire patch of rubber missing, and then you try and patch it.
@@SanHydronoid A patch must be done at least 1/2 inch from the steel belt lining of the sidewall and should not be done on tread with less than 7/16 inch or legal limit for road conditions. Most mechanics/tire repair men will not patch a hole larger than a 1/4 inch. Multiple patches can be done if the holes are 16 inches apart.
I feel like half the job of crew chiefs was tire-related haha. For us at least
@@Stig69 I’m AGE and every time I see a chief rolling out a tire I know I’m gonna have to swing out the nite cart and axel jack. Granted Aircraft tires look to be a lot nice to do swaps on the Bomblift tires or tow bar tires… those are a whole different breed of pain in the ass.
Correct! We had a tractor for plowing snow. Both rear wheel tires had patches that covered 12" slits. There was never a safety or other problem for decades because the tractor never went over 10-15 mph.
never a problem with me neither, I ran them another 20 years on my tractor after I stole them off yours
@@stevecampbell1308 💀
@@stevecampbell1308 lmfao
@@stevecampbell1308
Just to let you know, I’ve yet to replace those two patched tires on the tractor I bought from you 15 years ago.
2081 and the patched tires are doing great not one issue. I plow with them twelve hours a day.
This is the hidden story when you see amazing tire blowout dashcam videos...
I just hope that the thing he covered it with stais on there. Or it will go from tire blown out too tire shoot out.
indeed😀
He must have worked as a maintenance guy at my old job. Them dudes would duct tape just about everything 😂😂😂
That's just engineering "it's moving and it's not supposed to? Duct tape. It's not moving and it should? WD40"
That looks like electrical tape, which like a car tire is made of vulcanized rubber.
I'm sure that works tire shops are lazy and don't want to work. There's no money to be made if they do this. They just want to sell you a new or old tire
if you cant duct it fuc.... wait nvm
Fareal. It was a fridge that just need a couple screws to keep the handle on. Why this dude duct taped it.
I worked at a tire shop and we refused to patch holes in the sidewall. It was a liability issue. Once the sidewall is damaged the entire when is no longer safe and it’s better to buy a new one. Many people thought we were just trying to scam them and get them to spend more money. But I can tell you as someone who then worked later in life as a tow truck driver, that I’ve seen many many accidents that were the result of a blow out sidewall. It’s not something to risk your life over.
It is also illegal in the US to repair sidewalls as well as sell tires with sidewall repairs. Also you can't patch a tread hole that is within a certain distance of the sidewall as well. Not just a liability because its dangerous but also because it is illegal
Agree, very true, the Liability is rather high. But unfortunately if your skilled enough this repair will outlast the normal wear of the tread. It's much like Welding repairs. You have welders that can safely and properly repair broken metal parts. And their are also so-called welders that think they can weld and the part is not safe. Same thing with tire repairs.
Oh wow I didn't know that. I had my sidewalk patched at a shop and it was a relatively new tire. It got to live its full life.
@@Lilmiket1000 if all that happened was it got scuffed or also known as curbed. If its not too severe they are allowed to buff it as well as add a bit of material to make it look nice again. But any holes in the sidewall or severe splits are supposed to not be repaired. It used to be common practice to do it and some tires continue to do good afterwards however DOT saw that the failure rate of patched sidewall tires was just too high as well as it was a hidden danger as well. But yes some sidewall repaired tires do manage to survive the rest of its time just it isnt something you should expect or rely on.
But this is in Russia. They don’t give a chit about safety or liability. It’s probably a tire for a military vehicle.
As a tire, I can confirm this is not how you do surgery on me. Thanks.
I can confirm this man is a Tire, he was made incorrectly.
@@Arch_Twistedhe’s a used tire
@@Lucciii32 He's been re-treaded a few times, but he's still good.
😂
I've seen ppl identify as many things but this takes the cake
True. Fixing the treads is okay, as long as the hole isn't too big. If you wreck your sidewall, buy a new tire.
Hole that size in the tread is a non-starter also.
Yea usually anything bigger than 1/4 inch shouldn’t be repaired no matter where it’s at on the tire
You must be a tire sales me it done even have tread no big deal. $15 and that tire good as new.
@@DaisyKarensunfloweryea, if there is a hole this size on the thread the tire is getting tossed. Rather pay 75 for a new tire then 15 for some hackjob that can cost me my life.
@@barrowscasper12 again you rich and need give you money away or you a tire sales men.
Want to know why your commute to work took an hour longer today? The guy decided to drive on this tire.
I fkn love you for this comment 🤣🤣🤣
This bothers the fuck out of me. People routinely fuck my day up without my involvement
@@vt8414 fr. Can’t agree more. Ain’t even say shi to nobody or do nothin and it’s always sumthin. Never a dull moment.
If they don't drive it then they didn't even show up at all 🤔
@V T seriously fuck some people. Yesterday I went to the bathroom and the guy before me shit all over the seat and didn't flush... how the fuck are you going to leave it like that
I wouldn't even dare put that tire on my truck on a long haul no matter how good that patch looks
Not even in a short trip
First pothole you hit with that tire, boom.
I agree I wouldn't use that tire to drive all the way around the world twice !
this is the india special right here! be back in hours! LOL
@@codemandew5627 Rnà
I would definitely put this on my car right after losing my car in a divorce
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80 + percent of divorce men can understand🍻🤫
💯 Certified Arizona Moment.💯🔥
Never go cheap on your tires or your breaks they keep you alive
But what if your brakes break?
@@MyCatInABoxPray you survive, and if you do, never let it happen again 😅
@@MyCatInABoxI understand what you are getting at…some I had to cage my inner grammar nazi lol.
This comment should be in all caps. Thank you! Great advice.
Brakes...
I build truck tires for almost 3 years. At Continental Truck Tire in Illinois, and the sidewall repair is on the dangerous side. Because he compromised the air proof lining of the tire. And he caused the Body Ply wires to stretch and contort unnecessarily in the sidewall repair. Overlapped wires or stretched wires in the body ply during Tire buildup process would cause a scrap tire.
Wrong, it's called a section repar. You would be amazed at how many semi trucks on the road have section repairs. I too am in the tire industry. I've sent tractor tires with bigger holes than that in the sidewall to have repaired.
Not one of them people doing this shit have ever heard of TIA . Tire industry of America. Been certified for twenty ton tires.
@@bto1533 do you mean tire industry association ? What a joke . Basically you pay a couple hundred dollars a year for a magazine subscription and a plaque for your wall. The training is a 20 minute online course. I wouldn't brag dude. I grew up in the tire from a small child. I've replaced or repaired tires on just about everything that has tires on it. From hand carts to earth movers from toys to airplanes and everything in-between. Don't try to act like you know something everyone else doesn't
@J S lol no dude. Maybe in third world countries. What do you live in Pakistan? you clearly don't understand safety standards we have in the west.
@@krombopulosrick7920 you sir are misinformed. You not going to tell me anything about American tire industry. I've spent my whole life in it. Go pretend to know what you're talking about to someone who doesn't know more than you.
I'm not saying the repair in this video is a common practice or even acceptable. I am saying that sidewall repairs are common and acceptable.
As an actual tire expert- we have very specific ply specs for the fabric ply including the gauge of the material calendered on to the fabric, the gauge of the fabric itself, the density of fabric endings per inch, etc. along with that sidewall stocks are specifically compounded for abrasion resistance and adhesion compatibility with the plies that lie underneath, the inner liner that the rim cushion contacts, and the base of the tread. Finally your inner liner is a specific butyl or halobutyl based stock that has very poor compatibility with other rubber types. Odds are that anything you try to adhere to it will separate over time. Also the reason they use the halo butyl and chlorobutyl is due to its low gas permeability. Air doesn’t escape from those polymers quickly. There is way more complexity than what I’ve listed but that’s just a few issues that are evident when you view these types of videos
Source - I was a compounding chemist and I now work as a quality engineer for a major tire manufacturer
Wow kudos! 💯💯
The equivalent of "oh yeah, name every ___" but in tire knowledge about compounds.
so does that means its good or not
@@martinandajhh This the guy showed off what he knew and now will leave for 6 years
I absolutely love this as someone who also works for a major tire manufacturer, but it’s sad that it’ll be like 5 years before this comment is noticed
This type of sidewall repair worked back before 1974 when tires were bias ply. Bias ply tires have intersecting cords on the sidewall but a radial tire the cords run parallel on the sidewall so a tear can and will continue to run between the cords with no cordage intersecting the tear to stop it.
Thank you for knowing what you're talking about instead of regurgitating the uneducated crap everyone else is spewing. Bias ply tires are still available and yes you can do some massive repairs. The video also shows uncured rubber, heat vulcanizing, a sidewall mold and other proper equipment for this type of repair, ON A BIAS TIRE.
2 things to never cheap out on, brakes an tyres
And wheels
@@zx-3948 dumb axx
And suspension parts. Years ago, I remember telling a guy NOT to buy Chinese ball joints for his Mercury. He wanted to save money, but had to pay me to replace them TWICE in the same week. 🙄
@@A_Cowboy_called_JackRabbit my friend once wanted to go to a junkyard to look for a subframe🤦🏻he also bought used tires and crashed a month later, addicts are sad people lol
And early grammatical education...
Was a tireguy for 2 years in high school. No reputable shop will ever repair a sidewall. It's dangerous, and a major liability.
Also, if you have a flat and you've driven on it, the service manager at the shop isn't scamming you when he says you need a new tire. Driving on the flat causes irreparable damage to the inner layers of the tire's sidewall. If you went 100 yds or whatever, looking for a safe place to stop, it's not gonna be a problem. If you drove any significant amount, the inside of the tire will be full of "pixie dust." Rubber shavings broken off from the hard inner sidewall lining. That tire is a blowout hazard.
Don't fight with the guys at reputable shops. They're not trying to rip you off. They're trying to keep you safe.
I fucking hate those pixies. I've had the displeasure of showering in it with my mouth open before.
Probably need a new rim as well
I had a leak in my tire from a nail or something. Tried to get a new tire, they suggested I just patch it 🤷 said the tire was still pretty good.. But now I'm wondering if I should still go ahead and get another tire 🤔
Listen to this man. I’ve driven with a flat for a few km then patched it and reninflated it lasted maybe 700 m post repair and blew out at least it was a rear
@@4everSouljaTread patches are just fine. Nails don't get in sidewalls by running over them. Your tire ought to be fine. The shop the patched my tire wouldn't even patch a tread if it was punctured too close to the edge. Good thing for me that it wasn't.
Thats a beautiful patch for a tire swing.
Thanks for explaining this. Discount tire would check and see if my hole was 'inner' or not, and I never knew why they'd repair one type of hole and not the other.
I’ve never seen a repair quite like this, but the fact that they have an entire machine dedicated to this operation must speak for something. The Kevlar in the sidewalk is all ripped, but they stitched in new thread to replace it, and then built up layers of vulcanizing rubber, and bonded it with the heat press thing. Honestly, it seems kinda legit.
I've watched one or two of these tyre repair clips, cool procedure I think it's legit aswell 💯☮️
It is, as this guy says, he’s no tire expert. The fact that a shop spent the money to buy a vulcanizing press expressly for this sort of repair speaks volumes, the rest of the world repairs sidewalls all the time. They don’t do 100 mph on asphalt, but they do stress the tire and they hold up just fine.
Itd be cheaper to just buy a new tire. I install and patch them for a living ✌️💯
that press is meant to do patches on the tread or bias ply tires, radial tires aren't able to be repaired in this way. regardless of stitching it up which will just tare through the rubber...
They also have entire dedicated machines to force monkeys to smoke 1000 cigarettes a day.
Changed tires for three years was my first couple of jobs working in tire shops. That is terrifying. You never for any reason ever patch a sidewall puncture of any kind much less a blow out no matter how small.
I love how here in the south ,we have used tire dealers,usually at the old automatic carwashes ,but 40 to 50 ain't bad
oh we have them where I'm at in the southwest too. They're normally Spanish speaking only.
They have them shits everywhere not just the south 🤦♂️
He's no tire expert but proceeds to talk to you like a tire expert.
You don't have to be an expert to recommend not to do something
@@calebarneson9191 it helps. Some stuff seems weird but actually works
I havent watched this video past 15s and why should i? Dude says he has no clue what hes talking about
@@richardtickler8555 Okay well this isn't just weird, it's a bad idea to run a tire like this on the road, period.
@@richardtickler8555 Because it's common sense to not trust a tire with a hole in the area that's supposed to not be damaged.
Well if you haven't got the common sense to take good advice from a layman...it's your funeral and possibly others...
The amount of times a customer has bitched to either patch or plug a sidewall. To the point we have them sign a stupidity waiver in the case dumb shit happens after warning them a million times. We just let it go.
The same thing happens in construction... Anything safety wise we simply say, sorry we can't do it. But if the person wants a cheaper product installed, we warn them,advise against it, and sometimes still won't even do it. If they really don't care, we do it but always get a call back. It's just not worth pinching pennies in some areas. I've actually had a kidney surgeon ask me to reuse old,curled,black shingles and to simply " just flip them around...
In the UK you'd be liable for doing that repair, it'd cost you your job at the very least.
ive gone to tire shops to get a plug, and they wont do it. Went to the store got a plug and did it myself. tire was fine. Heard that story plenty of times as well.
@@lynch42o How would you live with yourself if you had a blowout and took out a family?
It's been fine for loads of people who have done it, but it's also been a disaster for others.
I'm happy enough to gamble with my own life but I've no right to gamble with other peoples.
I get that customers can be a pain in the a*s sometimes. But that waiver wont help you either way if the dude/gal ends up killing someone when the tire desintigrates itself. In any court of law youll be told that you as the expert cannot just simply aid the customer in stupid choices because hes being difficult about it since the customer is not in a position where he can judge the risk or is able to "take the risk upon himself" simply because he lacks the knowledge to be able to judge. So your waiver is a useless piece of paper with meaningless letters on it. Not trying to be a dick here, just helping out
Would never mess with sidewall damage. I would replace this 100% of the time
Nick :- Absolutely correct... sidewall damage means the tire is garbage.
True 💯
People do this in other countries all the time. Theres so much stuff repaired in other countries or have manual versions of things we never knew about, like a manual blender. In the usa, we've been conditioned to buy new and throw away old so we are always buying and shopping.
Dude just because third world countries do this shit doesn’t make it safe. People literally die from this shit damn near daily in those countries too. What an idiotic statement
I've taken tires to shops to get patched, whenever it was in the side wall; they refused to patch it. If someone is doing this, they need to be shutdown; they're going to kill someone
Yet you tried to have a sidewall patched 😂.
@stpbasss3773 a lot of people have no idea why their tire is losing air when they bring in their vehicle until you tell them.
"kill someone" It's just a blowout dude, chill out
@@JohnSmith-fq3rg not sure if serious sam or advanced sarcasm 🤔
@@JohnSmith-fq3rg A blowout that could happen while cruising down the interstate at 70mph, pulling your vehicle immediately to one side due to the massively increased friction and smashing into the guardrail or someone else. Have you ever had a tire go flat at high speed in a light vehicle? It's not something you can easily control, especially if you aren't expecting it.
“Okay sir that’s only gonna be $354.67 for the tire patch”
Exactly
You win this one sir!
What a bargain!
Its more like 200 philippines pesos, which is less than $5, and it will last a looooong time
why “sir” 🤢
Worked in a retread shop. This man is correct. When we have a tire with a side wall blowout, they get sent to a shredder company to get shredded and turned into either powder chips for play grounds or melted down into new repourposed rubber components like mats for garages.
Cant tell you how many times i was saved/mildly burned by those hunks of tire as a kid
When we see a sidewall puncture. We put more holes in it so that tire cannot be used ever. Drill it with hole saw
Pretty accurate assessment from the guy doing the commentary (certified to work on semi/commercial tires - they can be very dangerous, ie "zipper ruptures", multipiece wheel incompatability being overlooked, internal tire fires, lubricated wheel hub fires).
Guy looks like he sorta knows what hes doing, but as you said, the sidewall is not to be patched. You *could*, depending on the location and size of the hole (usually about an inch from the edge of the tread, no bigger than the size of a bic pen/#2 pencil, and even thats kinda big), but with that being so far from the tread/so close to the bead (what holds the weight of the entire vehicle, combined w/internal psi), thats a nightmare waiting to happen for anything over 20 mph (if i had to guess, but wouldnt even mount this tired/would trash it, personally). Replacing a tire or two will save you from replacing your entire vehicle and watching your insurance rates go up (they would blame you, as this is not an advisable thing to do, like, ever)
I will give the guy props for effort/approach, though. Even rebaked the spot he patched to cure the rubber (the correct term escapes me at the moment).
Just buy a new tire, tho, fs
If I pull up to a tire shop and hear that country accent I know I’m in good hands 😂
You see, the dang carbonators expanded, so whatcha wanna do is replace the axel, rewire the main power circuit for the engine, and replace the transmission.
At'le be twente too huned dolars.
underrated comment award
You mean you don't like those sketchy Italian shops?
The guy repairing it had country accent too
That's 📠
That's a perfect farm equipment use tire. Nothin over 10 or 15mph.
This is true, my dad always threw cheap old trailer tires on the front because they get thorns anyway
Yup, solid scrap car or truck on the farm to move stuff around and/or teach the kids to drive. But only slow and no side hills.
I wouldnt run that on farm stuff either. Most farm stuff does what? Haul heavy stuff or pull under a load.
@@bucket0rocks there's plenty of farm applications that don't require heavy loads.
@@bucket0rocks a lot times farm truck are just used to avoid walking
I was always taught that the sidewall is like a spring. Absorbs shock and reinforces the tire.
Patching the sidewall is similar to deleting the shock on your car. It may work for a bit, until you hit a bump or go too fast.
Facts, he spoke the truth.
Used to be a manager at Discount Tire. The guy is 100% right. Sidewall damage calls for a new tire.
"I worked at a place that sells tires, and he's right, buy new tires"
This is a completely different method of patching than what tire shops use. You can't compare the two.
@Kur Norock right, because this isn't cost effective, time efficient or safe. It's compromised.
@@corataylor2205 I used to work at dtc too. No one gets paid on commission except the highest lvl manager. We don't give a flying fuck if you buy a tire or not
@IronwolfXVI except that it isn't.
This is a legitimate and very strong repair that is used throughout most of the rest of the world. Only here in the western world do we have this culture of throwing things away and getting a new one if something breaks or gets damaged.
When you use wood glue to join two pics of wood, the joint becomes the strongest part of the object. This patching method works much the same way. That patch has been pressed and vulcanized, making it part of the tire sidewall and every bit as strong.
When your Chinese tires are such good quality that you can flip them inside out by hand.
I was confused for a moment lol never worked with a tire that can do that.
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@@TonioXenon they are a nightmare to get bead to bead often because they just flop around
There are several companies that turn tractor and heavy equipment tires inside out for feedlots and flower beds. Look up a company called k.c. sales
Any tire can be flipped.
I worked for 18 years at a major tire manufacturing company. What the guy is doing in this video is a legit repair. They repair and reuse the tires from all over the world. The side wall is rigid enough to accept the repair. As long as the rubber repair is cured properly. He used a all and pure rubber to make sure there is no air trapped in between the layers. Its not as good as a new tire but it will last for a few 1000 miles.
I was a Tyre fitter for years as well. Thanks for posting this. Now I don't have to. 👍
I'm no tire guy myself except I mountain balance my own tires using oil just a small amount and I can tell that this is a legit fix I guess maybe it has to do with my welding experience but as long as you apply the new wire behind the broken cords that should give you the strength and then like you said apply it so there is no air between the patch creating separation and there's a complete fusion between the new and old rubber it should be just as good if not better
the issue is that the threads holding the sidewall together is made up of tightly woven cloth, whatever this guy in the video did, did not put in the fucking effort to make sure it has the same flexibility as the rest of the sidewall.
@@xracecar I am more than confident that he used the proper material he had the actual machine to do the job it's not his first time and they make a machine to apply this patch just like most other things to do with tires it probably came in a kit
You apparently like to walk on the wild side
One of the best PSA’s I have seen in a very long time.
PSA to all JUNKYARD/SCRAPYARD enthusiasts: Make sure to check the sidewall on any tires you get from there. A lot of times the yards will leave the tires out in the sun all day and if you see cracks of any kind on the walls don’t even consider getting the tire.
Yes, tires are out in the sun all day.
@@JB-dk3qc you know what I mean
@@Juandisimo3 I don't think anyone would buy a tire with cracks in it...
The way the reinforcement layers are arranged and vulcanized into the rubber is the key to the flexibility and strength and that patch job is indeed a accident waiting to happen. It's not a conspiracy, tires are an incredible piece of engineering and much more complicated than most people give credit to.
@@xxnatas69xx thank you for your supportive comment. What do you do at Michelin, if you don't mind me asking?
@@xxnatas69xx oh cool! You make or maintain the machines that make these Marvels (tires) of engineering come together eh?
@@xxnatas69xx right on! Thanks for the detail. I always take pride in knowing as much as I can about our world, so that I may appreciate the workers and brains behind a product, as well as understand the value behind it all. It makes it that much easier to not fall for cheats and charlatans as well ;) thank you for being part of one of the most crucial parts in our life's! Stay safe and stay motivated!
I work in a dealership and I’m constantly having to explain to customers how important stuff like this is
Facts just buy a set n don’t have to worry about them for a few years or more
@@mackcity74gdn89 You should see the amount of customers that come in with tyres from 2016 or a bunch of mismatched set of tyres with different tread, dates and sizes, justying they haven’t driven them for 50k miles yet
@@NE0C lol idk y ppl try to do that wen u can easily track the tires they bought from the store
Some of the younger generation just can't comprehend what you are explaining no matter how simple you explain..They immediately believe we are just trying to sell new tires very pathetic.Some time you can't fix a tire and you can't fix stupid either..
Ironic, considering this is the kind of crap I see coming out of dealerships. 😂
Electrical tape like that can be rolled up length wise and used as a makeshift tire plug. Light the end sticking out so it melts down and kinda glues it to tire. Gets you out of the brairpatch anyways.
Running that on the road is actually a crime in many countries.
You mean counties. Not countries. Don't be dumb. We have more safety laws than anyone when it comes to automotive shit. Just stop.
Certainly would be in the UK.
@@iainmacleod4007 certainly would be? Or is?
It's a traffic violation, not a crime lol
@@Roberto9696-q7s That is perhaps how the law works on your side of the pond. In the UK driving on a tire repaired like that would be a motoring offence which would land the driver in court and subject to a criminal conviction.
This is the tire repair that comes with the extended warranty I've been calling you about.
fuck that
The only thing you missed is that the shoulder is considered a major part of the tire along with the tread and sidewall. Other than that, as a certified expert, this explanation is spot on. Now, if only customers would realize this as well 😂
The only major part of the tire... is the tire.
So maybe you can help me understand a little more about spare tires cause I was always told you’re only suppose to drive like 50 miles on one? But I was literally going out of state to fck with this chick(like a 6 hour round trip) and I did it at least 5-6 times. Also, I literally never got a new tire for that car…I drove it till I couldn’t anymore…but it wasn’t because of the tires lol I had to be on that thing for 6+ months…and I was like 20 so I was ripping and running constantly.
@Jordan Cave thanks bro that was a good read lol 😆, but sure I can help you out
They say only drive 50 because wheels need to be torqued to a certain specification, and excessive speed plus a loose wheel means disaster. Also. Having one smaller tire can cause uneven wear on the rest of the tires over time, which shortens the overall life of the tire
Agreed, as one as well
Not just un-even tire wear, but also stresses control arms, bushings, shock/struts especially of older vehicles with aging parts that haven't been replaced and still in dependable/safe condition.
Good honest advice. Don't f*** with sidewalls.
First job I had outta high school was at a tire shop. First thing we learned fixing and patching leaks was anything on the sidewall is done and is a hazard just like this man is saying.
Exactly why tire shops don’t patch sidewalks
Hahaha!
Because they don't have a side wall patching machine like this shop does.
Sidewalks
@@JuarezDerrickthat is not a good repair unless you want a tire to blow out
I'm sure new tire sales with higher profit margins have absolutely nothing to do this. 🤣🤣
If you go to an Apple store, they will tell you that you need a new iPhone every year when it could be fixed by a 3rd party.
*Somebody get this guy an inner tube!!*
Nope
@Nick Güer Not true. They even make 'radial' tubes for radial tyres. Can be used in bias tyres but shouldn't use 'bias' tubes in radials
@Nick Güer what on earth is your problem???
And from what you said, it appeared you meant you cant put a tube in a radial tyre. Given thats what you said
You seriously made my day with your comment 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Nick Güer You take everything this personal? or only when you are online talking to strangers? 🤣
I didn’t realize how dangerous it was to have a tire blow at freeway speeds, I’ve had it happen to me twice at 90+ and was able to slow down/ steer both times no problem. One time I had my caliper rattle clip pop off and the caliper kept locking on one rear wheel and just thought it was hydroplaning a bit. Eventually the actual lug bolts failed from the vibration and the rotor/ wheel broke off at over 100 but somehow miraculously stayed in the fender well
Man stop fixing your own cars 😂
@@firstlast---people dont have to fix their own cars for a blowout to happen u know.
@@GodisGood941 Settle down I wasn't even talking to you lol
@@firstlast--- lmao ik i just wanted to be extra
At this point, I think the best thing that tire is good for is a tire swing.
Boat bumpers
I did a DIY plug job on a nearly new tyre (Yes "tyre", I'm British), I was told by my local tyre place it was about 1/4 of an inch too close to the side wall for them to guarantee a repair (keep in mind this did put it in the tread section of the tyre but only just) so I decided to do a DIY repair on it myself and just use it as the spare.
A few months go by and i check my "repaired" tyre in the spare wheel well having done no miles on it, and right along side the repair I did was a bulge the size of your fist. Just glad I never needed to trust my life to that tyre.
Moral of the story - Dont eff around with the side wall of your tyres.
Belts separated from the damage, that's a high speed blow out for sure.
? Don't you guys have an inspection called an "MOT", something like that, where they would basically execute you for trying that? 😂
@@woofwgn the MOT only tests what is there, if you take your spare wheel out you cant fail for not having one but you can fail if you have one and the tyre is illegal
@@TheMadTatter ah, got it
Imagine it ruptured while you were driving. (Not driving on the tire, just with it as the spare) That would be the most confusing situation ever, no plowen tires but you heard a blown tire
got one like that on a hay wagon that was repaired in 1988.
Nice
Liar , that tire would be so dry rotted and weather cracked if you put any weight on it, it would fail.
@@Blue_Shirt_Guy go to farm equipment auctions and you will find lots of old tires with this type of patch on farm equipment . They usually put the patch facing the vehicle side and YES some of the tires on equipment is as old as 1988 manufacturing dates & still getting the job done . I've even seen people spray paint old tires black to make them look new to sell the equipment at farm equipment auctions .
@@craigalston2208 I'd factor the price of new tires in on my bidding process. Tires have a shelf life. dirt farmers don't care. Dirt farmers only care about saving pennies, while burning dollars.
@@Blue_Shirt_Guy Maybe, I have a disability that I have been unaware of my whole life. However, I feel I just read a response made up of bullshit that was unrelated to you being told how wrong you were?
He is absolutely right that such tires can be recycled. Driving with such tires is life-threatening
Z rated repair right there!!
168 MPH speed rating for sure!!!!
Looks good to me
Lol
This is perfect for old farm equipment moving slowly on the farm. I personally have seen patches with bolts holding them together.
Most reputable tire shops will not repair the sidewall of a tire because of exactly what this man is saying.
Implication being, what are the few that will and for what reason?
I work at a heavy equipment and heavy truck shop. Sullivan tire will fix a side wall for us and it is a legit repair on an 18 wheeler 🤷🏻♂️. Our fleet has no issues with them.
@@sethh2861 i was told liability. Yes it works but the owner felt that it could fail and if so cause a wreck. This could come back on him and his insurance.
@@Keith-jp6jw Will they do that on the front steering tires too. Just curious.
@@Keith-jp6jw They are running a risky operation by doing sidewall repairs if this is in the US. It is illegal for any shop to repair sidewalls and sell sidewall repaired tires. Are you sure you are not mistaking like a crack on the sidewall being filled and buffed? As long as the crack isn't severe they are allowed to fill it in and buff it.
"I'm not a tire expert" proceeds to explain how tires work.
As a tire tech that has worked at a couple different shops, the rule has always been to not patch a hole if it was more than .5-1.0 inches down the sidewall.
Edit: this is not a “do what you wanna do” scenario. DO NOT DRIVE A COMPROMISED TIRE ON THE ROAD. YOU WOULD BE PUTTING EVERYONE ELSE IN EXTREME DANGER.
As a TIA certified trainer with almost 2 decades experience, I can definitely say you have never worked at a real garage in your life. You don't patch a sidewall anywhere. 🤣 🤣 🤣 You don't even patch a tire on the shoulder tread area.
@@SilvaFox why? Up to an inch down the side wall is just tread
@@rundownthriftstore sorry in advance its gonna be long. ok so think of it like this. If you are looking at the tread (contact patch, area that contacts pavement), none of that is sidewall. When the weight of the car is on the tire, looking at the part of the tire that bulges out slightly at the bottom that passes from rim to the ground but still doesn't contact the ground is the sidewall. Absolutely no part of the sidewall is legal to commercially patch per TIA rules and the tire must be taken out of service as it is now a safety hazard. Back on the tread side (contact area of tire) it is only commercially allowed to patch a tire in the center tread area between the two outer most water sipes (there is some leeway here as different tires have different treads). The outer shoulder tread area that is still part of the contact patch but outside the outer water sipes, is off limits for a commercial patch as it will not hold in this position and again the tire must be put out of service. A commercial grade tire patch consists of a one piece plug/patch or a 2 piece plug and patch both of which must be installed from the inside of the tire.
These patches can only be installed on the tread area as the steel bands, which are only in the tread area, not only keep the tread from flexing but with a properly installed patch won't rust out due to road debris. The other issue is when you install a patch you need to drill out the injury area with a special carbide drill tool. This cuts multiple steel cords which is why it can't be done in the shoulder tread as it's too close to the soft sidewall. In doing a patch in the outer shoulder area let alone sidewall, not only will the patch fail as it flexes every time the tire rolls over that spot but the steel bands being cut close to the sidewall destroys the internal structure of the tire which could lead to a blow out and possible fatalities.
DOT inspects every tire of car crashes that are due to tire blowouts. If they find a patch improperly installed, the technician who installed the patch can be held responsible for the accident, hit with fines, damages, and manslaughter if it went that far. And yes those slimjim punch plugs you can buy at Walmart or any auto shop do not count as permanent plugs. They are just a temporary fix to get you to a proper tire shop/garage. Sorry for the long drawn out answer.
@@SilvaFox that's a respectable answer
@@ThornyPickled yeah... at first I thought they were just another mechanic being an a..hole. We all are so I was. but then they asked why and I realized they may have just been taught wrong and legitimately don't know. So sorry bout that haha.
Thats what we in the off road world call a "trail fix".
Itll get ya back to the parking lot.
But so will a spare 😂
Him: I’m not a tire expert
Also him: Gives synopsis of tire’s structure
They typically fix these tyres and use them on farm trailers that get pulled behind tractors going no more than about 30km/h.
There was a time when we did repair sidewalls, but they were not hole filled. You can boot n tube, but keep in mind that it is only fixed on one side.
Those were bias ply tiers not radials.
Looks like a killer repair to me!!!
As a former tire technician, thank you for speaking truth.
It’s insane how many people forgo the few extra dollars for road hazard coverage on their tires, just to have to spend twice, if not 3 times the amount on a new tire when they get a nail stuck too close to the sidewall.
Car common sense (ie tire pressure, oil and fluids check, positive and negative on the terminals) should be required before people get their license.
Once had someone blame us for ruining their car, when they pulled the battery out themselves, bought the incorrect one without ever asking us (bought a 51, needed a 51R with reversed terminals) installed it themselves, and blames us when their electronics failed as a result.
I used to work at Walmart TLE for about 5 years and I know exactly what your talking about the batterys and people not wanting the road hazard 😂
This is what Forrest would have been doing had Ms. Gump not serviced the principal of the school over those 3 little points.
😅🤣😂
Jenny gave forest aids so....
Nah he was a goddamn war hero
@@darwinbodero7872 Whoosh! 😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I actually rode on a patch like this for a year, throughout winter as well, we were in a remote place near the arctic , and plane drop offs never got the tire for about 11 months. I also use this on my bias ply muds, I haven't had a bad time yet.
100 to 200 km a day on the tire, minus every other Saturday and Sunday.
Alot of things in this world can be repaired.. or listen to the guy selling the tires.
Anything can be repaired but there’s always a draw back compared to a new one.
Same. I’ve had patched sidewalls and ran them just fine. In every other part of the world, tires are a lot harder to come by, and they don’t just get replaced. If I have the money and can swing it, I do replace them…but to say that it WILL fail is incorrect. In Africa, this tire is just getting broken in!
You were driving at highway speeds?
@@fakename287 highways speeds on gravel roads. Highway, roads, offroad.
@@jakejakedowntwo6613 for sure.. but the tire never blew up on me. I just swapped it out when it was flown in.
Repairs like this used to be much more common , and when tires were much more flexible and flimsy
I worked for five years at Firestone as a Tire Sales Manager and this guy speaks the truth.
hes putting more labor into that repair than a new tire cost lol
Only if you live in a country where everything is treated as disposable like the USA
@@RicoDuroska...the world has to get our castaways. Your comment makes no sense.
"just moves enTIREly way too much"
I see 👀 what you did there 😂
Props to the guy for giving the video a fair shake and sharing that there is a use for these busted old tires, they have some use left in them but it's not on the road and definitely not on the highway.
I am a tire expert. I am both USTMA, Bridgestone, and ASE certified. This is a stupid, unsafe, and life threatening type of repair. If your sidewall is damaged. the tire is toast. End of story.
Awesome an expert. So will the tire dramatically explode now or just go flat really fast like the first incident???
That thing will be just fine. That galvanization of the sidewall will hold for the remainder of the life of the tire if it doesn't get punctured again
Nailed it.
Rubber engineer. Rubber is ACTUALLY pretty damn simple.
That's how a self taught guy in the 1800's invented vulcanization.
You are speaking facts….even a slice from a razor blade across the outer layer of a tire will cause the tire to bubble first and then blow and it usually happens when the tire gets hot from friction when driving
There's a reason damn near any shop you visit with a tire like this will flat out refuse to repair it. Once you have a sidewall blowout, the structural integrity of that tire is compromised.
Sidewalls can be repaired, most shops don’t do them as they would have to train their employees how to do so. Most company’s don’t even know how lol
@@DiscoMiatacompanies don't train their employees to do it because it's not worth the effort for a tire that won't last. No shop worth their salt wants that liability.
@@DiscoMiata most shops don’t do it because it’s Illegal in the US.
@@rjgaynor8 give me the law to back up your false claim please
@@MrDAllen1124 what? Shops in the USA? Realize these fixes are mainly used in country’s where this is practical, I can literally pull a better used tire off the road side here in the USA. When you can’t afford a can of redbull while also feeding your family, this is the fix to go too.
Your privilege is showing my man.
This kind of repair is actually quite common in developing countries, as purchasing a tyres (even a local made one) is around 60-100 dollars per tyre and that is very expensive if your salaries is only around 200-300 dollar a month
That's fucking cheap. American here
@@ineedapharmists ok lemme put this in a different way, tires in developing countries are 50%+ for just the cheapest tires. That's still insanely expensive
@@ineedapharmists You forgot the 200-300 dollar monthly salary
@@ineedapharmists maybe a third of your monthly salary and you have to buy food and rent and everything
@vortrekking boer if you're an American then yeah maybe it's cheap, but if a single tyre costs almost half of your monthly salaries, then it is expensive.
They do this in Mexico and Latin America 1000 times a day and heat and vulcanized it in the end and they are fine and don't blow up.
I had a tire fixed this way and you can barely even tell where they are fixed in the end.
Spot on mate! If you take a car tyre with sidewall damage they SHOULD refuse to even attempt repairing it! As you say, 'repairing' this would be @#£%ing DANGEROUS!
“Jack doesn’t talk tyre.”
“Oh Jack talk tyre. Jack talk tyre real good!”
“You stupid son of a b**ch you just blew it!”
I'm not gonna lie, that looks like a expert repair.
I could dip a turd in chocolate, doesn't mean it's gonna taste like chocolate.
@@kingusmaximus of course, but the guy weaved threads in also, and he used the same machines for tire repair.
When a rubber tire is vulcanized it forms sulfur links between the other structures. I think the primary issue is that it's probably not easy at all to fill in new sulfer links at the edges where this patch is made to the pre-vulvanized tire. A tire is actually a singular giant molecule by definition because of how it's linked, and patching it after primary vulcanization, will likely not yield a true monolithic structure in the end.
Yes... I concer
@@Vagabond_G Concur?
Cancer?
i've done repairs like this.. they have not shown whole repair process .. there is soppose to be patch on the inside with 3-4 plies .. it is simultaneously vulkanized.. and it can turn out nice.. little bit more counter weight needed dough.
@@vojislavdragic5090 but how can it fully vulcanize to the surface of the tire that has already had this process done to it? I'm not sure if a bonded patch actually forms the full sulfer bonds needed to be considered a single molecule, so it might still be structurally weaker if it isn't latticed together with the original vulcanization and setting process. I believe you that they are vulcanizing the patch, but unsure it bonds as strongly as a single-vulcanized object, which in some cases might be critical.
Not that I endorse this and you are absolutely correct that once the sides are compromised the whole tyre is compromised....... But.... You'd be surprised how many tires patched up like this run in the third world and hold out until the threads show....😮
FireStone approves this for their 1999 Ford Explorers 😏
Firestone Sidewall Repairs..The Official Tire Of The 1999 Ford Exploders👍
Do they approve for any other cars?
@@sykotika13thirteen No, just the Suddenly Upside-down Vehicles.
@@sykotika13thirteenyes. The Rangers too.
Oh man I remember people were afraid to drive those cars after that.
It didn't matter the year of car. 😂
Even as a burnout tire it would probably fly apart right away with that large of a sidewall hole
Wrong
@@xLegionnair try it and post the results then
LOL this is what happens when you speak about something you never seen in your life. That tire will probably last 30k Km more, it's a common practice in my country
@@Bv1nte do they really hold up to 55+ km/h? I don't believe a tire could possibly stay round with that much damage.
Are you familiar with the vulcanizing process of rubber? Not saying I would run this but we do belts this way and it’s stronger then the original belt
If its done properly with high heat to vulcanize the rubber back into it and yes it could work just fine. But i too would use it on the farm not the street at any high speeds.. hes not using regular tape but special self adhering tape here too...
on a car tire there's not enough rigidity to keep up after a patch work.
Agreed, I've booted up some golf ball sizes holes on tractor tires, but to do that to a road tire is crazy, and I'm willing to bet the balance is way off, only increasing the likelihood of a blowout.
As a certified Bridgestone tire repair technician I can tell you right now, this tire is a straight up bomb. Trust me y'all, if your car tire's sidewall is injured at all just get a new tire! Seriously this is not worth risking your life or the lives of others.
I work for Bridgestone to and you are 1,000% correct!🥇🥇🥇
On semi tires you can repair the sidewall it's called a section repair. it includes a lot of grinding down like this guy did they spot weld new wires in the belts. Back fill it with rubber and also put a super heavy reinforced patch that covers from one bead to the other bead. When it's done properly the tire is just as dependable as a brand new tire
No, it's not. That's the reason there are semi tires all over highways.
Aircraft tire engineer here (I design high load bearing tires)
A puncture like that is not viable for use anymore. It’s actually cheaper to just replace the tire than risk liability of quality patchwork, especially for semi trucks.
@@bryancline8893 all the tire debris you see on the highways is from Bandag recaps, not sectioned sidewalls. 40 years in the industry, my father and grandfather before me, family business. for the record, I have never run, or put a sectioned tire on the road, but if done properly I do know sectioning of semi-truck tire sidewalls is safe. Here in the states it is not something that is really even done for the last 20 years at least.
@@tymcfadden8496 dang mr. Expert get off the internet and get on the Tv
@@tymcfadden8496 i do secretly know they're retreads.
I completely agree this tire should never be run on the road again. I've been in the tire business for 7 years as an installer & seen many things. For safety sake this tire is done.
Its definitwly not done you need to look of bandag retreading and patching ....
In India or Pakistan places like that this is probably quite common, i was in manila years ago, the taxi front had worn thru several layers of canvas!!
I used to work in a tire center we did everything and for the love of god please for your safety and other’s safety do not play around when it comes to tires people will get hurt and potentially loose life’s
So.
@@positivelynegative9149 thats attitude of a future statistic
I had a nail or a screw puncture a tire. Our fleet I typically have 2-3 a year with the mileage I drive, diverse locations, jobsites, etc. This one had ended up on the edge of the tread, and even though it was an extremely new tire they said because of its location they didn't feel comfortable putting a patch on it.
You shouldn't take chances on something supporting you moving lots of weight at high speed