The 10k + engines were indeed briefly a thing. They were not the ECR engines (at the time, yet.) These were one of the last high profile DEI experimental engine programs. They even tested them out with partner/customer Busch and Truck teams. NASCAR quickly saw the arms race building (due to materials and other ways DEI was achieving this) and implemented a gear rule that all but made the 10k + RPM idea a dead end.
God I miss these days. Who else remember watching NASCAR coverage on Speed, and one of the big issues were the Dodge teams switching from the intrepid front clips to the charger?
I remember...in 2005 (particularly during impound races), the Dodge teams struggled to acclimatize to the new nose, although it started to come good at the end of the season and into 2006 (particularly with Kahne on intermediate tracks). However, in 2006, Penske (and Petty Enterprises) made the utterly baffling decision to experiment with running the 04 Dodge at intermediates based on Newman's 7th place finish and near win-worthy speed at Homestead 2005 running it (before Dodge stepped in), and as a result Newman and to a lesser extent Kurt Busch struggled uncharacteristically on intermediate tracks (when intermediates were previously Newman's best tracks (especially Charlotte-he looked like he had winning or at least top 5-worthy speed in every race there from 2002 to 2005)). This may have in turn caused the Ryan Newman/Matt Borland driver/crew chief pairing to split and ultimately Newman to leave Penske, while Dodge's subsequent overreaction to its issues (such as changing the Charger nose for 2007, just before the introduction of the CoT) caused Kahne's form to decline and Evernham to basically collapse. Given that above all else success in NASCAR is built on positive feedback loops and that it is no surprise that what made the Jimmie Johnson dynasty possible was that the driver/crew chief pairing of him and Chad Knaus was the only frontrunning one that remained intact from 2006 to 2010, I can't help but wonder would have been if Penske never attempted to run the 04 Dodge in 2006 (based on one good result in the last race of 2005) and instead worked more closely with Evernham to make the Charger nose come good (especially as after 2005 NASCAR would practically no longer run impound races at intermediate tracks, thereby rendering the Charger's biggest weakness irrelevant). If Newman's 2006 had been as good as it logically should have been (based on Kahne's results that year (especially as Newman and Kahne had similar driving styles at the time)), I can't help but think that he would have stayed with Penske and continued with Matt Borland as his crew chief, and that maybe in either 2006 or 2007 the #12 team (and perhaps the #9 team if Dodge did not change its nose AGAIN in 2007) could have legitimately taken at least 1 championship and 5-10 wins away from Jimmie Johnson (especially as the Dodge teams that did figure out the Charger nose subsequently discovered that the Dodge could, at least in clean air, lap 0.1-0.3 seconds faster than the Chevy and 0.2-0.4 faster than the Ford, and only really struggled in dirty air).
@@retoadyt3196 That was some of it, but x-pipes make it sound like it's revving higher than it actually is. Though when unrestricted back then they were turning 9K to 9500 on some tracks.
The 15 & 8 cars from 2000-2005 sounded so much different in person than any other car. Truly SCREAMING. A much more high pitch whine than any other cars. Even the 29-31-30 didn’t sound like the 8/15.
Away from this era, there’s a different Joe Nemechek’s engine sound at the 2012 Sonoma Cup race I heard on TV during qualifying. It sounded like the mid-00’s SS era. No footage that I know of it.
@duskshel always loved how the Hendrick cars sounded. I think it's because at the restrictor plate tracks the didn't use the X pipes like everyone else did
Is there any difference between the sounds of the R07, FR9 and TRD V8 engines, now? Some of the Ford Xfinity race cars had that older superspeedway sound (2020-2021). Other than that, is there any way to tell them apart?
The Next Gen Fords definitely have a lower, more growling sound to them. I think it's a bit harder to tell a Chevy from a Toyota though. Look for any video of qualifying or testing at Daytona or Talladega to see if you can tell the difference.
@@Stapleton42 Could this be one of those cars? this is dale jr at atlanta motorspeedway in 2004. it sounds like an x pipe car. ua-cam.com/video/Srf4dGU0xzU/v-deo.html
i love it when they ran the xpipes and boom toobs at the 1.5s back in the day, and they probably ran over 10k rpm into 1 too. also, ecr engines didn't exist until 2007, for what that's worth.
y'know, back in 2003, when i saw the Penske cars go to Dodge from Ford, i didn't like that change at first, like with the JGR cars switching to Chevy from Pontiac after 2002, but unlike JGR, those Penske cars proved me wrong thanks to Ryan Newman
Wasn't based on manufacturer or team really. It was all dependent on what set of headers and pipe configuration for the engine package/tuning. For instance the HMS cars were one of the first to switch up from X to H about 2004/5 on plate tracks because they found for more speed.
There was a clip of Clint bowyer that in 2015 or 2014 MWR did something with the engine and made it way better and I haven’t been able to find the clip
You talking about them qualifying at Indianapolis motorspeedway in 2015? I actually just saw that clip on Twitter recently if that's the one you're talking about.
I’ve been to plenty of NASCAR races going back to the 1980’s… and they don’t sound half as cool as a sprint car, a supermodified or a big block modified. The sound of sprint car or a super in particular is unmatched in its intensity.
Every team around the 2000s at superspeedways were running x-pipes and hendrick motorsports around 2005 were one of the teams that chosen not to. I'm not an expert on the whole exhaust deal so it's probably something you'll have to research.
Is it just me or does the Hendrick Motorsports Sound from the mid 2000s on superspeedways sound an awful lot like the late gen 3 early gen 4 style of sound
Nascar need to go back to there roots, get rid of restricter plates and let them go 210 or more, if you got the ball and your tires are good, let them loose
Those ECR engines are heavenly
My personal favorite. They sounded so damn good
Bring that c. 2004 ECR sound to the NGC.
Especially at 1:11
They sure are!
Didn’t realise how high pitched they were
Watching that red number 8 car rip off a 10,000 rpm qualifying lap at night is pure magic
10k rpms? Damn. I thought they only did 9k
@@ellisjackson3355 9500ish probably
@@DSaw78seems about right
The 10k + engines were indeed briefly a thing. They were not the ECR engines (at the time, yet.) These were one of the last high profile DEI experimental engine programs. They even tested them out with partner/customer Busch and Truck teams. NASCAR quickly saw the arms race building (due to materials and other ways DEI was achieving this) and implemented a gear rule that all but made the 10k + RPM idea a dead end.
High Pitched Engines sounds in racing>anything
RCR and Dodge were heavenly sounding. Ryan Newman and Dale Jr qualifying runs were must see TV in the early-mid 2000s
Those Hendrick engines at the superspeedways had that grunt sound that sounded tough.
Wow they sound a lot like F1 with V12s and V10s, love it so much
I think they sound better, though I think it's mostly out of personal taste
The 2010s F1 v8s
That's x pipe exhausts and high rpms for you
To be honest, they almost sound like late 60's USAC Indianapolis cars.
@@Highrollinhunter boom tubes stapleton 42 has a great video on them and the kodak car that started it all
God I miss these days. Who else remember watching NASCAR coverage on Speed, and one of the big issues were the Dodge teams switching from the intrepid front clips to the charger?
I loved Nascar on speed man
Why was that an issue? They looked better
@@Maverick9kaero
I remember...in 2005 (particularly during impound races), the Dodge teams struggled to acclimatize to the new nose, although it started to come good at the end of the season and into 2006 (particularly with Kahne on intermediate tracks). However, in 2006, Penske (and Petty Enterprises) made the utterly baffling decision to experiment with running the 04 Dodge at intermediates based on Newman's 7th place finish and near win-worthy speed at Homestead 2005 running it (before Dodge stepped in), and as a result Newman and to a lesser extent Kurt Busch struggled uncharacteristically on intermediate tracks (when intermediates were previously Newman's best tracks (especially Charlotte-he looked like he had winning or at least top 5-worthy speed in every race there from 2002 to 2005)). This may have in turn caused the Ryan Newman/Matt Borland driver/crew chief pairing to split and ultimately Newman to leave Penske, while Dodge's subsequent overreaction to its issues (such as changing the Charger nose for 2007, just before the introduction of the CoT) caused Kahne's form to decline and Evernham to basically collapse. Given that above all else success in NASCAR is built on positive feedback loops and that it is no surprise that what made the Jimmie Johnson dynasty possible was that the driver/crew chief pairing of him and Chad Knaus was the only frontrunning one that remained intact from 2006 to 2010, I can't help but wonder would have been if Penske never attempted to run the 04 Dodge in 2006 (based on one good result in the last race of 2005) and instead worked more closely with Evernham to make the Charger nose come good (especially as after 2005 NASCAR would practically no longer run impound races at intermediate tracks, thereby rendering the Charger's biggest weakness irrelevant). If Newman's 2006 had been as good as it logically should have been (based on Kahne's results that year (especially as Newman and Kahne had similar driving styles at the time)), I can't help but think that he would have stayed with Penske and continued with Matt Borland as his crew chief, and that maybe in either 2006 or 2007 the #12 team (and perhaps the #9 team if Dodge did not change its nose AGAIN in 2007) could have legitimately taken at least 1 championship and 5-10 wins away from Jimmie Johnson (especially as the Dodge teams that did figure out the Charger nose subsequently discovered that the Dodge could, at least in clean air, lap 0.1-0.3 seconds faster than the Chevy and 0.2-0.4 faster than the Ford, and only really struggled in dirty air).
It was all in the X-Pipes with the boom tubes attached.
They'd still sound like that if they'd put those exhaust systems back on the cars.
Rpm weren't involved in the sound?
Ferraris have x pipes too that's why they have that beautiful high pitched sound
@@retoadyt3196 That was some of it, but x-pipes make it sound like it's revving higher than it actually is. Though when unrestricted back then they were turning 9K to 9500 on some tracks.
@@DSaw78 At times they had the SBC turning over 11,000, but the X-pipes were the magical sound.
When I think of NASCAR, I think of that Dodge sound. So iconic
3:25 I remember how shocked Mike Joy and the Fox booth were when they first heard that sound coming from that car!
Looked at the underside of a Hendrick #5 car during a flip at Talladega. It’s an H-pipe with dual exits. Everyone else ran X-pipes.
Sounds accurate. I was curious if that was the case.
@@tescoshortage H for hendrick
@@MrAzul184 Hell yeah lol
@@MrAzul184 lol
What the NextGen needs is an Extra 130 HP. 800 and a 4 inch Spoiler at all Tracks execpt for Daytona and Talladega
That's all the Gen-6 needed too. Then the racing would've been so much better.
exactly mate
Problem is manufacturers don't want it, and the manufacturers basically call the shots today.
Them gen 4 especially with ecr were amazing sounding especially with the x piping
I never knew that they sounded so different
amazing huh?
I remember the days when you NEEDED earplugs for qualifying! I've never heard anything louder than those GEN4 engines!
Man, Michaels car sounded EPIC
I miss this NASCAR, no playoffs, no stages, no bullshit.
The 15 & 8 cars from 2000-2005 sounded so much different in person than any other car.
Truly SCREAMING. A much more high pitch whine than any other cars. Even the 29-31-30 didn’t sound like the 8/15.
Away from this era, there’s a different Joe Nemechek’s engine sound at the 2012 Sonoma Cup race I heard on TV during qualifying. It sounded like the mid-00’s SS era. No footage that I know of it.
Hendrick engine sounds like muscle cars
I always thought they were more like the older 1979-1989 cars.
@duskshel always loved how the Hendrick cars sounded. I think it's because at the restrictor plate tracks the didn't use the X pipes like everyone else did
It sounds like the early 90s gen 4s at superspeedways before the x pipe was introduced
NASCAR-sanctioned V8’s typically don’t go above 10,000 RPM’s but some of these sound like they’re in the 15-18 range lol
wish you had a mid 80s ernie elliott 351clevor with 16to 1 compresion them things were bad ass
No one to mentioned Dodge got badass sounds
Is there any difference between the sounds of the R07, FR9 and TRD V8 engines, now? Some of the Ford Xfinity race cars had that older superspeedway sound (2020-2021). Other than that, is there any way to tell them apart?
The Next Gen Fords definitely have a lower, more growling sound to them. I think it's a bit harder to tell a Chevy from a Toyota though. Look for any video of qualifying or testing at Daytona or Talladega to see if you can tell the difference.
0:26 TOM CARNEGIE AS TRACK ANNOUNCER AT THE BACKGROUND AT IMS!!! You know you were in Indy from 1946-2006 when he spoke
That 15 Napa in the first clip sounds like it's running an X pipe, and so does the 32 Tide. I thought they only ran X pipes on the Superspeedways.
They def don't sound like x pipe cars, I think they just revved very high.
Back then there was a single side exit X configuration and there was also a Y pipe merge that sort of sounded like an X
@@Stapleton42 Could this be one of those cars? this is dale jr at atlanta motorspeedway in 2004. it sounds like an x pipe car.
ua-cam.com/video/Srf4dGU0xzU/v-deo.html
i love it when they ran the xpipes and boom toobs at the 1.5s back in the day, and they probably ran over 10k rpm into 1 too. also, ecr engines didn't exist until 2007, for what that's worth.
Ritchie Gilmour existed though
y'know, back in 2003, when i saw the Penske cars go to Dodge from Ford, i didn't like that change at first, like with the JGR cars switching to Chevy from Pontiac after 2002, but unlike JGR, those Penske cars proved me wrong thanks to Ryan Newman
This is extremely interesting and is something I never realized.
Wasn't based on manufacturer or team really. It was all dependent on what set of headers and pipe configuration for the engine package/tuning. For instance the HMS cars were one of the first to switch up from X to H about 2004/5 on plate tracks because they found for more speed.
Maybe the H lended itself to less air flow due to the restrictor?
There was a clip of Clint bowyer that in 2015 or 2014 MWR did something with the engine and made it way better and I haven’t been able to find the clip
You talking about them qualifying at Indianapolis motorspeedway in 2015? I actually just saw that clip on Twitter recently if that's the one you're talking about.
@@Eliteprecision29 YES THAT ONE I HAVENT BEEN ABLE TO FIND IT AGAIN
@@auroas_ I hope this is it twitter.com/Dr_Bob41/status/1577519109675356160?t=eb4P7XqQFohHDInw6-pW9g&s=19
The Hendrick Motorsports engines sound like the pre 96 sounds. Before the Morgan McClure team had the Dr Gas Boom Tube exhaust sound.
Those dodges sounded next level
I’ve been to plenty of NASCAR races going back to the 1980’s… and they don’t sound half as cool as a sprint car, a supermodified or a big block modified. The sound of sprint car or a super in particular is unmatched in its intensity.
Those R07's sound so damn good
I think those were SB2.2 engines
Love how the ecr engines sound like baby x pipes
Did Hendrick do something to the exhaust in 2005 up to the COT on superspeedways? Sounds lower pitched.
Every team around the 2000s at superspeedways were running x-pipes and hendrick motorsports around 2005 were one of the teams that chosen not to. I'm not an expert on the whole exhaust deal so it's probably something you'll have to research.
The ECR engines didn't sound like that every weekend though and you only heard that engine tone in 2004 and 2005
I remember Tom Hubert's car sounded different. Compared to everyone else. You can even tell during the broadcast of the 1999 Las Vegas 400.
Man I wish I grew up watching NASCAR in the 2000’s
It was a great time to watch it then not stages and it was a battle of attrition every week and everyone had a driver you rooted form.
Da I was born 2009
Some of the Truck Series trucks sound like the Hendrick cars.
I Like H Pipe Exhaust From The 80s And Early 90s Generation 3 NASCAR Winston Cup Series 1986 To 1993 In My Opinion NASCAR History
It was also a lot faster than the current gen.
That ole SBC, best sounding engine ever produced, now they all sound the same, same car, same engine, all using the detuned Chevy RO7.
ECR sounds like an IndyCar engine
Were this engines only used in qualifying?
i wonder if anyone remembered chase briscoes xfinity car at talledega i think it was 2019 or 2018
Is it just me or does the Hendrick Motorsports Sound from the mid 2000s on superspeedways sound an awful lot like the late gen 3 early gen 4 style of sound
Thought DEI built their own engines in that era?
0:44 oh my god
I didn't even know ECR existed
ECR was just the engine program for DEI
@@DSaw78 lol this was back when I didn't know shit about NASCAR
ECR engines sounded far superior
Yup
I want nascar Bring back sound for xfinity series cars ❤ x piper
Nascar need to go back to there roots, get rid of restricter plates and let them go 210 or more, if you got the ball and your tires are good, let them loose
ECR cars trying to do an F1
2004 sounded the best
FORD!!
Penske engines 💯
I honestly don’t like that high pitch sounds like euro race car😖
you picked different tracks with different gearing ratios and speeds and RPMs and want me to compare that? whats your IQ bud?
Was that really a V8 at 11-12K RPM? A guy one day, told me that NASCAR can hit 11,000 RPM!
No, they top out at 9,000.
@@o.p.h.o.v.e.n I know that today, that's true.
@@o.p.h.o.v.e.n 10,000*
They were turning around 9500/9600 at peak in those days on the non plate tracks
No Ford’s I see how it is. Biased lol
There's literally a Ford in the video.
Earnhardt Childress??
5:10