How do WE Balance YOUR 383 Stroker?

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  • @ajautoanddiesel8576
    @ajautoanddiesel8576 Рік тому +137

    Love it, that you’re pulling back the veil and showing more in depth engine work that most people never see keep the videos coming.

    • @JAMSIONLINE
      @JAMSIONLINE  Рік тому +26

      That's my goal! Help our customers (and the customers of our peers) understand what really goes into quality machine work.

  • @SnoDraken
    @SnoDraken Рік тому +9

    I used to run a gas turbine repair facility and we'd spin 2000 lb fully bladed compressor rotors in a vacuum. I saw one jump off the rollers once, blew through the roof of the chamber, crawled up the 40 foot shop wall and land about 200 feet into the parking lot. Every time a see a shaft spinning now I pucker just a little bit. Great Job guys, you do great work!

  • @MartinP1214
    @MartinP1214 Рік тому +50

    I have never seen this type of work done. What an amazing job. Please continue with these great videos. I sit at the computer watching in awe.

  • @gingyberrie
    @gingyberrie Рік тому +27

    i love this channel .. if all familys had this type of relationship our planet would be so much happier

    • @andoletube
      @andoletube Рік тому +2

      True that. My family is more like World War III...

    • @stilllearning1160
      @stilllearning1160 Рік тому

      And Marxism hates families. Transgenic risk and gender confusion reduces good family outcomes.

    • @greatestevar
      @greatestevar Рік тому

      The world is lacking community

  • @TransAminal
    @TransAminal Рік тому +15

    This makes me miss my dad...I'm 63 had plenty of cranks balanced but never witnessed one being done....thanks to the both of you for sharing your time & talent...ps I'm a pontiac guy (hint hint)
    👍😎👌

  • @paulmonachino-pp6pk
    @paulmonachino-pp6pk Рік тому +15

    Love this channel, you 2 are so lucky to work together like this, my father past away and I would give anything to do what you to do together, keep uploading videos, it makes my day

  • @richardjurgens4511
    @richardjurgens4511 Рік тому +2

    Nice work, fellas. Hats off to the Cleaning Guy!!!
    I used to balance rotating assemblies for pumps, turbine’s etc, but not engines.
    Nice to see the care and attention to detail here.

  • @pb68slab18
    @pb68slab18 Рік тому +50

    I knew someone who bought a salvage yard 400 SBC, but didn't want to spend the extra $25 for the flexplate. Used the old 350 plate instead. Yep shook like a paint mixer!

    • @JAMSIONLINE
      @JAMSIONLINE  Рік тому +7

      Lol

    • @bobjones37450
      @bobjones37450 Рік тому +4

      I knew a guy that done this as well. Put it together and drove about a mile. Broke 2 rods and spit the block up around the cam. Also one of the rods put a nice inspection hole in the side of the block.

    • @mashidaho1298
      @mashidaho1298 Рік тому

      Bought a 77 Chevy from a friend in highschool. Had a 400 small block... they said... somehow my other friend found a 400sbc before i bought the truck. Yep you guess it they swapped a 350 in place of the 400 and never said a word to me.

    • @disturbedrocks1996
      @disturbedrocks1996 Рік тому +1

      @@mashidaho1298did you beat the shit out of them for that? Or at least cut them off?

    • @mashidaho1298
      @mashidaho1298 Рік тому

      @disturbedrocks1996 never bought anything from them again
      I was young and dumb at the time, didnt know enough to know id been dooped until i went to sell the motor as a 400 and was told otherwise by the casting number. You live and learn.

  • @zackswitalski1054
    @zackswitalski1054 Рік тому +2

    Working at a small shop in Florida and we just got our first balancer as well. Glad to have some great content like this to compare ourselves to. Love your stuff

  • @richardlampe1236
    @richardlampe1236 Рік тому +7

    Had experience carrying cranks from the old Stewart Warner strobing balancer to drill holes .Then the boss got what you have with the integral drill .Big game changer ,get one when you can .Enjoy your videos.

    • @Ever443
      @Ever443 Рік тому +1

      I learned how to balance on one of those SW machines. This new stuff is much easier to get job done quicker.

  • @willybill4530
    @willybill4530 Рік тому +17

    Whole new level of respect for what yall do love the channel and content 🤙

  • @justinkorpela7955
    @justinkorpela7955 Рік тому +4

    I admire all the extra effort you guys put into your work shows you are a great machine shop

  • @nfinitymarine4466
    @nfinitymarine4466 Рік тому +5

    It's good for gearheads to see the common machining processes in real time. It makes it very easy to see that your machinist didn't charge enough for the work he did. Add on tooling costs and realize the poor guy is giving his work away.

  • @hart64ghs
    @hart64ghs 9 місяців тому

    Your attention to detail will show up in the way this motor runs. Excellent work!

  • @jmzanchez5112
    @jmzanchez5112 Рік тому +1

    It is a great enjoyment to see fathers and son to share the same passion and the real professionalism they put into it on every level.
    Then you hear them say: “the cleaning guy”, if one would just imagine that the cleaning guy is the soul and matter of the whole operation.

  • @dalewier9735
    @dalewier9735 9 місяців тому

    I am 63, i have always wanted to buy a 1970 302 convertible mustang like i had in high school, and make horse power. Not any more and man am i glad i didn't "try this at home"! I had NO IDEA all that is involved. And no wonder this cost what it does. I will now be satisfied vicariously watching "real pros". Thanks men, enjoy these videos.

  • @xy_iron
    @xy_iron Рік тому

    I love your atention to detail and how chill and humble you are. many gauys will say theyre the best and everyone else is trash but you are a breath of fresh air

  • @tobiasbostwick9002
    @tobiasbostwick9002 Рік тому +4

    I knew that balancing was detailed and time-consuming, but I didn't realize to what extent. Thanks for the enlightenment.

  • @keithfork8663
    @keithfork8663 Рік тому

    So much handwork done. Nice tools and computer.

  • @Charger1908
    @Charger1908 Рік тому +3

    Boy I sure enjoyed this one! I’ve been building performance engines for over 50 years and I always farm out the machine work (obviously) and this was the first time I saw how it was actually done. What a great learning video. Kudos

    • @odl21
      @odl21 Рік тому

      Why ‘obviously’? I also build performance engines for myself but can do everything except grind cranks in house including all machine work, head work, flowing, dynoing…. With time and care I can do a much more precise job than you could pay most people to do.

    • @DodgyBrothersEngineering
      @DodgyBrothersEngineering Рік тому

      @@odl21 there is so much information on the internet these days on how to build things, that you no longer have to rely on a performance shop for some of these tasks you did when I was a young fella. But I don't think I ever put an engine together where I didn't at least do a Clayton's balance on it (heaviest piston to the lightest rod etc). Same with matching rings to bores. Sometimes you don't need fancy tools, you just need to think and have patience to do things right.

    • @Charger1908
      @Charger1908 Рік тому

      @@odl21 Well that’s just dandy for you!

  • @bigbelconut
    @bigbelconut Рік тому +5

    Nice balance job. My best balance was .02 and .03, on a early 350.

  • @craigm.9070
    @craigm.9070 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for your time guys! Way to sneak up near zero; I hope your balancer doesn't upset the apple cart. Looking forward to the assembly!

  • @ni_wink84
    @ni_wink84 Рік тому +4

    I sure miss doing that stuff! From what I remember it was pretty typical on the one piece seal 3.750 cranks to have to drill quite a bit in the exact same spot, if memory serves! Great job love the videos

  • @countryboysteve
    @countryboysteve Рік тому +14

    I've found that balancing the clutch cover is something many people overlook. I've had some as much as 20 grams out

    • @grahamrothermel5139
      @grahamrothermel5139 Рік тому

      100% agree, I usually take the pressure plate/cover as part of the rotating assembly when I have things balanced for my personal stuff or customer builds.

  • @johnnoehl8917
    @johnnoehl8917 Рік тому +2

    You guys got room for an apprentice? I’ve got a camper on my truck and I’d drive to your shop and stay in my camper just to be taught by you 2. I really love your channel. While I know how to turn wrenches and weld…. I’d really love to get on another level. The level you guys so constantly prove. You guys are real pros. Thanks for the content. I learn so much.

  • @GroupWar
    @GroupWar Рік тому +4

    It looks like if you just removed the counter weight bolted to the flywheel it would just cancel out the needed two big holes that you made on the right side of the crank, they seem to be both on the same axis. Very good and detailed video, I just love watching you guys, thanks and greetings from a subscriber from Qatar!

    • @roughboygarage1475
      @roughboygarage1475 Рік тому

      I thought the same thing. Would've took 1min to pull it off and spin it up. I've seen those cranks come in both ways. Neutral that needed counter weight and external balance that came in neutral.

    • @ripn929707
      @ripn929707 10 місяців тому

      That weight on the flywheel is set out quite a distance from the crank center line. The weight calculated is based on the diameter of the crank balancer diameter... in other words, it wouldnt work to remove that weight. It would make a bunch more problems.

  • @db3170
    @db3170 Рік тому

    Thank you for your open honest presentation have a great day gentlemen.

  • @rascosim1
    @rascosim1 2 місяці тому

    Never saw such detail In balancing an engine. You guys do a great job.
    I am 86 years old and look forward to your videos each day.
    Tell us a little more about the clean up guys farming. Do you plant corn every year ?
    Thanks,
    Joe Roberts
    Birmingham, Al

  • @Tex777_
    @Tex777_ Рік тому +7

    I'd mark the pistons and rods with letters instead of numbers for weight matching purposes just because if that writing survives and you're not the next person in it, it might be a little confusing. Then reserve the numbers for the cylinders they go in to. 😀

    • @georgebettiol8338
      @georgebettiol8338 Рік тому

      The markings are to serve the machine shop whilst the parts are in a pristine condition. If the engine is later disassemebled, a competant mechanic will always mark the piston-rod assemblies before they are removed from the engine - that's standard practice that all apprentices are taught.

  • @kaseysimons128
    @kaseysimons128 Рік тому

    Enjoyed watching the process

  • @Mrcaffinebean
    @Mrcaffinebean Рік тому +1

    Love that you all share these in depth detailed videos!

  • @halletts1171
    @halletts1171 Рік тому

    Good job! I have sent many a crank to be balanced and always wondered how it was done. Thank You!

  • @Sydney_Photography
    @Sydney_Photography Рік тому

    I love the honesty... great business model

  • @duanedale2505
    @duanedale2505 8 місяців тому

    Nice explanation. Remember having a crank for a blown alcohol engine balanced which they used Mallory plugs for balance

  • @donscott6431
    @donscott6431 Рік тому

    “Knife-edge” that counterweight. We used this technique in our engines along with a “crank scraper” metal strip that kept more oil in the bottom AND slightly lessened parasitic power loss. We also used “Mallory metal” which is much heavier than the crank material. Holes would be drilled into the counterweight parallel to the crank and mallory metal would be pressed in and tacked.

  • @Silent-Lucidity
    @Silent-Lucidity Рік тому +1

    That's a cool process and very educational!

  • @abc-bm8pl
    @abc-bm8pl Рік тому +12

    Did you test the balance with the weight removed from the flywheel? Would it have been better to knock some weight off there to save drilling the crank so much? or is that a normal amount of weight to remove from a crank counterweight?

    • @Airwolf1971
      @Airwolf1971 Рік тому +6

      You want to do it from the crank so if in the future you have to replace the counterweighted flex plate or flywheel with a new one the assembly will remain balanced.

  • @DarrenShaw-ev5tb
    @DarrenShaw-ev5tb Рік тому +1

    Thank you Fellas & Mom ! - Explains why the machine bill is what it is !! Great work & THANX

  • @bobbeazley2502
    @bobbeazley2502 Рік тому

    Awesome video! I love your dad’s comments “ I took a nap and then let’s go super don’t make the cook mad”. 👍

  • @jeffa4920
    @jeffa4920 Рік тому +1

    Great job guys. Great video. Congrats on your results.

  • @e-racer4673
    @e-racer4673 Рік тому +1

    Did anyone else see the front of the crank where the harmonic balancer goes wobbling? I would say that has a whole lot to do with the Burlenson of it. It would be just like a bent rim.
    I work in an engine machine shop for six years actually a little over five years and I loved that type of work. But life happens and I got old. I wish I had stuck with it. I was about 25 years old when I started and worked till I was a little over 30 at the machine shop. I loved boring and sleeving blocks reconditioning rods, and balancing them.

  • @FriendlyFire71
    @FriendlyFire71 Рік тому

    Awesome video! Learn something new each time I watch you guys work. Watching the metal removal and thought I'd suggest an inexpensive shop vac be used to pull those chips away and maybe reduce cleanup time and help keep the area chip free.

  • @jeremyking5684
    @jeremyking5684 Рік тому

    Good job! I just built 2 383 ,one with a scat crank other with eagle crank .both was drilled just like you done,the scat had 4 drilled holes,eagle had 3 holes.

  • @pjagger69
    @pjagger69 Рік тому

    Half my working life “on the tools” vs half in an office and I finished up with 18 months making carbon fibre parts for McLarens / Aston Martins. If I could start again, butchers and machine shop (assuming I had the talent) would be my choice. The happiest I’ve been at work was always where there was something to physically show for it at the end of the day.
    Fantastic video guys.

  • @tomstrum6259
    @tomstrum6259 Рік тому +1

    Great Textbook balance Job guys,....Even almost running out of Counterweight, Youmade Perfection seem easy !! ..... Show us the Job one when the Hole needs to be in the Middle of Empty space & you have to really Work for your Money !!

    • @frankwoodward1231
      @frankwoodward1231 Рік тому

      Or just off the edge of the CW. Can't remove weight switch to add and no place to add weight. Tweener my ex boss and I called them! Lol
      Those SUCK!
      Fortunately the crank manufacturers have improved that..... mostly.

  • @strokermaverick
    @strokermaverick Рік тому +1

    Great job, guys!

  • @DanPorter-i6j
    @DanPorter-i6j Рік тому +2

    Awesome video. Love the content. Just subbed 🤙🏼

  • @nhzxboi
    @nhzxboi Рік тому +5

    I have the same passion for balance. But, back in my crankshaft grinding days, I noticed that quite often the crank pins were not exactly on the degrees that they were supposed to be. Essentially I'd treat each pin(journal) as it's own sphere....it may have been off by 3 degrees maybe. But, no way can grinding make up for that. Twist over time? Bad OEM machining? Beats me. But, after seeing that with crankshaft angles, it made me regard balancing parts as not being all that important. There is far more to balancing than just weight of pieces. I was weighting rings when the journals were so far off seemed sorta silly.

    • @alanmeyers3957
      @alanmeyers3957 Рік тому +1

      Absolutely correct, I never see this brought up before, especially on small block chevys.

  • @Kaus5221
    @Kaus5221 Місяць тому

    Thanks again for saving my LM7 block its about to run for the first time in the BMW @Jim's Automotive Machin Shop, Inc

  • @benbowers8670
    @benbowers8670 Рік тому

    Loving the build guys 👌🏻🇬🇧

  • @tdkrei
    @tdkrei Рік тому

    Nice work gentleman, and happy birthday young man. I can say that because I am 12 years your senior. Keep on smiling.

  • @CarReis
    @CarReis Рік тому +1

    I wish we could hear the ones you worked on running and purring sweet sound of a balanced engine.

  • @1320pass
    @1320pass Рік тому +4

    I think you just made an internal balance recip assembly 'kit' into an externally balanced assembly. Just remove the balance pad off the flywheel and keep both ends neutral balance. (smaller drilling to get your ends to come in balance) Or am i (probably) missing something?

    • @frankwoodward1231
      @frankwoodward1231 Рік тому

      If they were to spin the finish balanced crank without that flywheel weight or flywheel for that matter it would be out if I remember right around 160grams, ADD weight to the counter weight.
      And it will mess the front up a fair amount also. Surprisingly.

    • @madewithscraps
      @madewithscraps Рік тому

      You didn't miss anything at all. Well stated.

  • @1971VoiceoftheMummy
    @1971VoiceoftheMummy Рік тому

    0:31 Nap time! 14:42 Great work! Cleaning guy gets another raise and maybe a new broom!

  • @H3110NU
    @H3110NU Рік тому +1

    Between y’all and Gerald at Brand racing engines I’m learning a lot about what goes into machining engines.

  • @TheIrishman007
    @TheIrishman007 Рік тому

    Fantastic work yet again. This is what it’s all about. Love it. 🙂

  • @darrininverarity4297
    @darrininverarity4297 Рік тому

    This was a great video,I learned so much thank you.

  • @CarzNCameraz
    @CarzNCameraz Рік тому +6

    New Motto .... It's Not just an engine, it's an adventure

  • @Geezer1320
    @Geezer1320 Рік тому

    Love these videos. Learning a lot. Wish you were closer to where I live.

  • @kevt5090
    @kevt5090 Рік тому

    Very interesting! Thanks fur the explanation.

  • @stephenpoe2037
    @stephenpoe2037 Рік тому

    Very interesting process . Thanks for sharing .

  • @buchmannray
    @buchmannray Рік тому +8

    That counterweight on the flywheel could have come off since you're balancing it internally

    • @robertthomas5906
      @robertthomas5906 Рік тому

      I thought that too. I'm sure it's there for a reason or they would have removed it.
      I have complete confidence that they know what they're doing.

    • @brandonknight7240
      @brandonknight7240 Рік тому

      I just had my scat crank balanced and the mCcloud flywheel came with 2 different counterweights and they put the smaller of the 2 on my flywheel, i wondered the same thing

  • @noahingram8052
    @noahingram8052 Рік тому +1

    I learn so much from these videos thank you

  • @jacquespoirier9071
    @jacquespoirier9071 Рік тому

    on a production engine rebuilt with production parts, just equalizing the weight of the pistons and of the connecting rods usually makes a very perceptible differenge .
    I always equalize the weight of the piston /pin / conrod assemblies within 1 gram when I rebuild a marine engine, it makes a very perceptible difference.

  • @teamgrizzly2859
    @teamgrizzly2859 Рік тому

    Don’t forget to check all rods for twist and bend and to re torque the bolts with arp luge and check big end sizes and most importantly wrist pin clearance

  • @robertfishback4196
    @robertfishback4196 Рік тому +37

    I WOULD LOVE TO GET TO USE THOSE TOOLS EVERY DAY, INCLUDING ALL YOUR DAD'S HEAD GUIDANCE HE GIVES YOU .

  • @karroome
    @karroome Рік тому +4

    Awesome as usual guys
    One Q?, what would happen if you removed that counter weight from the flywheel befor drilling. It sems to line up with the big hole you had to drill
    Love your work👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

    • @georgebettiol8338
      @georgebettiol8338 Рік тому +1

      If you remove the flywheel it may improve the situation - not sure. However you then have to balance the flywheel as a 'stand-alone' item which adds cost. My preference would be to balance crank, flywheel, harmonic balancer and clutch pressure plate as seperate items so the latter three can be balanced seperately if they need to be replaced during the life of the engine.

  • @billhatcher2984
    @billhatcher2984 Рік тому +2

    I enjoyed what I cought was the last half or so but as long as I'm learning I'm in good video I think I'll stick around 👍

  • @ericpaul80b17
    @ericpaul80b17 Рік тому

    Great video and really interesting to see things that an every day shade tree doesn’t get to experience. Thank you !

  • @eddiepatterson5025
    @eddiepatterson5025 Рік тому

    I am enjoying this engine build.

  • @chrisgreig5628
    @chrisgreig5628 Рік тому +3

    1958 best year ever Happy Birthday ,

  • @vfr400r3l
    @vfr400r3l Рік тому

    Very impressive, nice work

  • @christophercastor6666
    @christophercastor6666 Рік тому

    Good on ya boys!

  • @warbirdwf
    @warbirdwf Рік тому

    Wow.. so much time and labor to balance a rotating assembly. And folks wonder why it's not cheap to balance their engines.
    Nice job!

  • @HDYaqui
    @HDYaqui Рік тому

    Very Informative Video!!! Great work! 😉👍🏽

  • @DARKKNIGHT56999
    @DARKKNIGHT56999 4 місяці тому

    Love watching you to work together

  • @dennisverville3571
    @dennisverville3571 Рік тому

    Wonderful content,thank you for sharing and keep it coming guys,

  • @josipants7548
    @josipants7548 Рік тому

    I enjoy watching your videos and hope one day I can send you a motor. I would like to learn and watch it be done!

  • @northofhwy8180
    @northofhwy8180 Рік тому

    Very cool process

  • @odl21
    @odl21 Рік тому +1

    Definitely much easier with a drill over the balancer. I use a turner brothers setup mounting onto Bridgeport

  • @rickm8003
    @rickm8003 Рік тому

    Good Job !

  • @logancarter2134
    @logancarter2134 Рік тому +1

    Beaumont, Texas here

  • @JohnThomas-vb9se
    @JohnThomas-vb9se Рік тому

    I love the balancing. I’ve seen some high dollar cranks that were pretty Swiss cheesed.

  • @295walk
    @295walk Рік тому

    Like a rizzla paper ! Awesome guys

  • @johndelta00
    @johndelta00 Рік тому

    I put off watching this vid thinking it would be boring. I could not have been more wrong, 17 minutes flew by and I'm honestly looking forward to seeing what happens when the balancer/timing gear gets installed.

  • @coolhand1964
    @coolhand1964 Рік тому

    When I leave the bonds of this earth and ride off to my own personal Valhalla, I am going to have my own machine shop like these guys and build lots and lots of cool stuff. With a harem of never complain cooks as well. 😅😂👍

  • @fsj197811
    @fsj197811 28 днів тому

    Thanks for sharing.

  • @Chilly383
    @Chilly383 Рік тому

    So interesting
    Thank you for the class

  • @ToddAdams1234
    @ToddAdams1234 Рік тому +3

    Why can’t you just go ahead and make that 383 completely internally balanced complete with an internally balance man trans flywheel like a 350 instead of the much more difficult to acquire 400 flywheel?
    It’s an honest question that I’ve often thought about and I’d really like someone to educate me.

  • @miceinoz1181
    @miceinoz1181 Рік тому +1

    Interesting title. I would be getting the crank and piston/rods checked/balanced on every performance engine before assembly, no matter what the literature says. Very entertaining and time consuming process.

    • @JAMSIONLINE
      @JAMSIONLINE  Рік тому +3

      Titles are meant to be interesting to bring people in 😂
      UA-cam titles really have very little to do with anything in the video lol

    • @Ausblack
      @Ausblack Рік тому

      ​@@JAMSIONLINEthis one hack makes 40 billion more horsepower, engine builders hate this guy!

  • @paulmolohon4693
    @paulmolohon4693 Рік тому +2

    Minnesota here.

  • @JeffRobb-u4o
    @JeffRobb-u4o 3 місяці тому

    Nice work, great information! Do you worry that drilling holes weakens the crank? Could you knife edge grind the material off and achieve the same result? How will the pressure plate and clutch disc affect the balance, should that be added in? Thanks for the great videos.

  • @n6mz
    @n6mz Рік тому

    Outstanding channel, thank you.

  • @Z-Bart
    @Z-Bart Рік тому

    That 383 is going to purr. 👍

  • @lozl
    @lozl Рік тому

    A superb video, thanks Chaps, very interesting. Do you have a reliable source of info for the balance factor to different engine configurations?

  • @ronnie100393
    @ronnie100393 Рік тому +2

    Question: what is the difference in what you are doing and you here it’s balanced and blue printed? Just asking for my own personal information. Thanks for sharing, enjoy your channel!

    • @mikebougher3731
      @mikebougher3731 Рік тому +2

      They just showed you the balance part of balanced and blueprinted. Blueprinting a block is more or less measuring different clearances and heights to make sure the casting is to spec. There is more involved in Blueprinting but thats a general explanation.

    • @ronnie100393
      @ronnie100393 Рік тому +2

      @@mikebougher3731
      thanks for the explanation!!!

  • @nightdipper5178
    @nightdipper5178 Рік тому

    Great Work!

  • @patrickwendling6759
    @patrickwendling6759 11 місяців тому

    Thank you for your knowledge and video's USA 🇺🇸

  • @BerlietGBC
    @BerlietGBC Рік тому

    More great work guys, everyday is a school day

  • @smolville
    @smolville Рік тому

    "I do cars" just tore apart a 6.0L powerstroke. Kinna funny when he pulls the drain plug to see what comes out. Four valves stuck open.