TOP 20 DRUM GROOVES OF ALL TIME

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  • In this video I countdown my TOP 20 DRUM GROOVES OF ALL-TIME.
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    steven crawford
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    Jim Sanger
    Brian Lawson
    Eddie Khoriaty
    Vinny Piana
    J.I. Abbot
    Kyle Dandurand
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    Vinicius Almeida
    Lars Nielsen
    Kyle Duvall
    Alex Zuzin
    tom gilberts
    Paul Noonan
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    Kaeordic Industries LLC
    Duane Blake
    Kai Ellis
    Zack Kirkorian
    Joe Ansaldi
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    Mike Voloshen
    Peter Pillitteri
    Jeremy Hickerson
    Travis Ahrenholtz

КОМЕНТАРІ • 9 тис.

  • @jaakkot5440
    @jaakkot5440 2 роки тому +9229

    Do Top 20 Mistakes Left In The Mix!

  • @noahtrock
    @noahtrock 2 роки тому +980

    When thinking groove, one song comes to mind.
    "Superstition"
    Stevie Wonder

    • @brendenheil
      @brendenheil 2 роки тому +7

      Becks, boegarts and appice version is way groovier in my opinion!

    • @saytr4
      @saytr4 2 роки тому +1

      Read my mind

    • @noahtrock
      @noahtrock 2 роки тому +4

      There you go, Mr. Beato!
      Video: Best/grooviest songs of all time!

    • @Tradewindrain
      @Tradewindrain 2 роки тому +1

      You said it.

    • @ronkopald
      @ronkopald 2 роки тому +4

      @@brendenheil Definitely cool but Stevie made it immortal.

  • @craigsibley8964
    @craigsibley8964 Рік тому +82

    David Bowie’s “Fame” and War’s “Low Rider” are two other infectious grooves that come to mind!

    • @glentz716
      @glentz716 Рік тому +2

      One thing about "Low Rider" is you have the drums, but you also have the guy who is playing the cowbell and timbales, so it's two percussionists, but absolutely "Low Rider" belongs way above some of the rather dull grooves in the bottom 10.

    • @aiartvids
      @aiartvids Місяць тому

      yes yes yes and good fucking call...can i get a "the force " by Michael Jackson too

  • @toddmoney8921
    @toddmoney8921 2 роки тому +81

    I always considered Mick Fleetwood’s drum groove on Go Your Own Way to be really inventive!

    • @BarneyRq1d
      @BarneyRq1d 2 місяці тому

      Gypsy is one I love. So precise.

  • @joncoish
    @joncoish 2 роки тому +665

    Only one that comes to mind that you “missed” would be When the Levee Breaks. That groove is immense!

    • @MrPointless
      @MrPointless 2 роки тому +36

      That, or Immigrant Song for a faster (arguably?) equally iconic Bonham groove

    • @almartin6224
      @almartin6224 2 роки тому +40

      add Moby Dick, The Ocean, My Time of Dying, etc.........

    • @BWRyan75
      @BWRyan75 2 роки тому +30

      Yeah I assumed that’d be number one, first thing that came to mind.

    • @essentialdeparture9999
      @essentialdeparture9999 2 роки тому +32

      Good Time Bad Times also has a killer groove.
      I think When the Levee Breaks was in his top intros (and the intro is the same).

    • @jeffreybrunner8310
      @jeffreybrunner8310 2 роки тому +2

      I second that emotion!

  • @codybolt4542
    @codybolt4542 2 роки тому +181

    The Zep groove I was expecting was "When The Levee Breaks".

    • @kaalen24
      @kaalen24 2 роки тому +6

      I love that one too. Recording it in a stairwell was a brilliant idea.

    • @Buddythunder1
      @Buddythunder1 2 роки тому +9

      Immigrant Song for me.

    • @semenshestakov2247
      @semenshestakov2247 2 роки тому +6

      It was on top 20 drum intros. And on the first place.

    • @pjamesvee2869
      @pjamesvee2869 2 роки тому +4

      @@Buddythunder1 Heartbreaker has an incredible FUNK groove. So surprised that's not on here.

    • @Thephilmills
      @Thephilmills 2 роки тому

      me too, i thought that was gonna be #1

  • @borregof
    @borregof 2 роки тому +60

    A few of my favorites are Stevie Wonder's Superstition, Sade's Sweetest Taboo, and Dave Brubek's Take Five.

    • @theaterdreamer
      @theaterdreamer 2 роки тому +2

      All fantastic picks. And I’m proud to say (as a prog metal guy) all three are on my iPhone.
      I spend a lot of money on CDs.

  • @j.a.6866
    @j.a.6866 Рік тому +26

    I’ve always loved the drums on “Good Times, Bad Times”

  • @jerrysparks8781
    @jerrysparks8781 2 роки тому +177

    I’m sure I’m late to the party here but “When The Levee Breaks” is the quintessential drum groove in my mind.

    • @smokemeateveryday5321
      @smokemeateveryday5321 2 роки тому +17

      That’s the one I was waiting for. That’s got a groove a mile deep.

    • @celtsfan9437
      @celtsfan9437 2 роки тому +6

      I was waiting either for that or fool in the rain, I guess one outta two ain’t bad....

    • @markmoyer
      @markmoyer 2 роки тому +3

      Yeah. Big miss IMHO

    • @Geezer-yf8hv
      @Geezer-yf8hv 2 роки тому +2

      It is classic. Unique, unforgettable, skull crushingly magnificent! PERFECTION!!!
      My #1 pick as well!

    • @craigberry4051
      @craigberry4051 2 роки тому +2

      Yeah, that and Fool in the Rain are such iconic grooves. A few of these drummers had similar situations…groundbreaking grooves that imspired others. In some ways, Levee is a precursor to many other grooves…but I wonder how much of that is due to the production decision to include a bit of delay in the drum mix.

  • @vtr_monsterextremo5145
    @vtr_monsterextremo5145 2 роки тому +85

    9:37 I was expecting When The Levee Breaks, it has coolest drum groove of all time

  • @shredofmalarchi
    @shredofmalarchi 2 роки тому +36

    "Use Me" is one of the best drum grooves of all time. That song really gives off a special vibe and has the perfect mix of genre.

  • @cirenosnor5768
    @cirenosnor5768 2 роки тому +42

    When I saw this list, first thing that came to mind was “When The Levee Breaks”
    Seems citing variations of the Purdie Shuffle is overkill and just one of Purdie’s is enough? However the Porcaro and Bonham grooves are undeniable. “Fool In The Rain’s” groove does go beyond the Purdie groove for a moment

  • @indycoltssbxli
    @indycoltssbxli 2 роки тому +146

    I’m just stoked to hear that Rick has a dedicated video planned for the legendary SRV.

    • @ronkopald
      @ronkopald 2 роки тому +3

      Amen

    • @seanc.5310
      @seanc.5310 2 роки тому +1

      💯

    • @rohanroll
      @rohanroll 2 роки тому

      OH MY OH MY OH MYYY... 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

    • @telekhal
      @telekhal 2 роки тому +1

      But I hope that turns off his chorus pedal when he does….

  • @RichfieldAutoCenter
    @RichfieldAutoCenter 2 роки тому +316

    Joe Morello on “take five” may be one of the best of all time and inspired many drummers.

    • @markpowell7395
      @markpowell7395 2 роки тому +21

      I came here to mention Morello 🙂. Take Five is a classic but I have to show some love for Blue Rondo A La Turk.

    • @trustnugget280
      @trustnugget280 2 роки тому +5

      @@markpowell7395 Not to dismiss Morello's drumming on this one but Blue Rondo a la Turk is more of a piece in unison rather than the drum groove standing out in my opinion.

    • @markpowell7395
      @markpowell7395 2 роки тому +3

      @@trustnugget280 Yes, I can appreciate and agree with that. I just thought the 9/8 timing was worth a mention.

    • @Weshopwizard
      @Weshopwizard 2 роки тому +2

      That was on my mind. Great stuff!!!!!

    • @oaguilera81
      @oaguilera81 2 роки тому +2

      And not only that, Raggy Walts, Far More Blue, Bossanova USA, etc etc. one of my favorite drummers.

  • @kaiserwilhelmii1827
    @kaiserwilhelmii1827 Рік тому +127

    I think Neil Peart's signature groove deserves a spot on this list. I'm talking about the one he used in YYZ, La Villa Strangiato and The Spirit of Radio, among others.

    • @Tiger-wi5mu
      @Tiger-wi5mu 6 місяців тому +1

      They are more compound time signatures than grooves

    • @ernestoleighton3067
      @ernestoleighton3067 5 місяців тому +3

      Also, Red Barchetta, in which, towards the end, he uses his same signature groove and so many cool other ones

  • @torbjrnwikestad28
    @torbjrnwikestad28 Рік тому +59

    The grooves are all good, but Come Together gave me chills down my spine. I think the relative simplicity of it, while being still so recognisable, makes it great. Glory to Ringo.

    • @paulunwin4033
      @paulunwin4033 Рік тому +3

      gotta be played left handed to work proper though.

    • @RunTFC
      @RunTFC 11 місяців тому

      @@paulunwin4033 oooh...good point

    • @seraeirian2
      @seraeirian2 6 місяців тому

      IMO, Come Together is the most recognizable.

  • @jessj8313
    @jessj8313 2 роки тому +35

    Jeff Buckley - Grace
    Tears For Fears - Everybody Wants to Rule the World
    Cream - White Room
    U2 - Sunday Bloody Sunday
    Phil Collins - Take me Home
    The Doors - Break On Through to the Other Side
    Paul Simon - 50 Ways to Leave your Lover

    • @timothysnave
      @timothysnave 2 роки тому +4

      I was definitely expecting to see Sunday Bloody Sunday. But I'm also super biased and expect to see something by U2 in every top 10 list lol

    • @clarkd8
      @clarkd8 2 роки тому

      Mick Fleetwood - Go your own way

    • @ffejneznarf
      @ffejneznarf 2 роки тому +1

      Everybody Wants - one the best grooves ever that sounds so easy to play but is so hard to get right!

    • @philip6502
      @philip6502 2 роки тому

      @@ffejneznarf Great tune.

  • @thethesaxman23
    @thethesaxman23 2 роки тому +61

    One of my favorite iconic drum grooves is the drum groove on The Sweetest Taboo by Sade!

    • @nathanielvargas3863
      @nathanielvargas3863 2 роки тому +4

      Yes! I wouldn’t have thought of Sade but they could have had several songs on here

    • @ffejneznarf
      @ffejneznarf 2 роки тому +2

      That's a VERY good call. Iconic groove and soooo tasty and appropriate. Totally different music but the same can be said for Bela Lugosi's Dead by Bauhaus

  • @RaincloudmusicTFS6
    @RaincloudmusicTFS6 2 роки тому +34

    Jeff Porcaro was the epitome of 'Groove'...21 years of a session career solidifies Jeff as my #1 all time for groove.

    • @bruceinoz8002
      @bruceinoz8002 2 роки тому +2

      His work with Warren Zevon is tight.
      "NIghttime in the Switching Yard" for a hard-driving drumming. See also from the first Toto Album, "Hold the Line".

    • @RaincloudmusicTFS6
      @RaincloudmusicTFS6 2 роки тому +1

      @@bruceinoz8002 ALSO, 'Calling Elvis' (Dire Straits). 'I DON'T Hear You' (Boz) contains a wicked fill!!!

    • @acoustically9201
      @acoustically9201 Рік тому

      He played on an 1988 album by a Scottish band by the name of Love and Money. The album is called ''Strange Kind of Love'' and was produced n USA by Gary Katz who produced Steely Dan. It is a very fine record and they were touted to do great things but it never happened. But the drum sounds and playing on that record are both magnificent. The songs are straighforward and he just keeps it simple (well it sounds simple). Nevertheless, the drums are a real focal point of that album. I must've listened to it 100 times and marvelled at the assured playing before someone told me the original drummer went home and they flew Porcaro in for the whole album. It sounds so fresh and timeless even now. On the subject of groove the title track is worth a 5 mins of anyone's time. Axis of Love is great too.

  • @elizabethsanford7360
    @elizabethsanford7360 2 роки тому +6

    Awesome top 20! I've always loved the groove in The Screaming Trees 'Nearly Lost You'.

  • @MattyLang24
    @MattyLang24 2 роки тому +73

    John Densmores bossanova beat on 'Break On Through' is iconic

    • @Notturno81
      @Notturno81 2 роки тому +3

      Agree. This song is a killer

    • @joaomarcosalmeida3769
      @joaomarcosalmeida3769 2 роки тому +4

      LA Woman (song) has a killing groove too

    • @cpking7
      @cpking7 2 роки тому +1

      Especially given how many iconic grooves he created, feels like one should have been on the list, and "Break" would be an excellent choice.

    • @MattyLang24
      @MattyLang24 2 роки тому +1

      @@cpking7 I love The Doors and he's my fave drummer. I spent so many hours playing to their stuff. He's got a style all his own and keeps things tight, simple and interesting.

  • @fritzb.3978
    @fritzb.3978 2 роки тому +142

    For distinctive grooves that launch the song, I’d add:
    “Take 5”
    “Sweetest Taboo”

    • @Finnvbot
      @Finnvbot 2 роки тому +13

      Sade! Man of culture.

    • @srvirgula1
      @srvirgula1 2 роки тому

      Yes

    • @prettyponymonster
      @prettyponymonster 2 роки тому +6

      Sweetest taboo is the probably the best polyrythmic intro I've ever heard.. and it lasts for like 2 minutes into the verse and hook until it goes into the snare on the back beat for just a bit. That whole cd grooves way more than it deserves to and I love it

    • @MartinJohnZ
      @MartinJohnZ 2 роки тому +1

      I wasn't thinking of Take 5 watching this video but now I'm baffled it's not on the list. A number of John Bonham grooves could be on the list but I guess the unwritten rule is just 1 groove per drummer.

    • @jamestownstudios8543
      @jamestownstudios8543 2 роки тому +3

      Sade has about a half dozen worthy of the list.

  • @markcollins11
    @markcollins11 2 роки тому

    Thank you Rick for the top 20 drum grooves excellent job playing guitar bass and keyboards and narrating this excellent video

  • @AngrierGorilla
    @AngrierGorilla Рік тому +7

    "Sunday bloody sunday" (U2 - Larry Mullen) drum groove was very iconic and peculiar too, maybe it could be on the list.
    Another mention for a personal favourite: "Got to give it up" by Thin Lizzy, drummer is Brian Downey.

  • @randyk1919
    @randyk1919 2 роки тому +111

    "Lowdown" by Boz Scaggs. Drummer is, who else.. Jeff Porcaro

  • @TimPachecoGuitar
    @TimPachecoGuitar 2 роки тому +124

    John Densmore’s opening groove on the Door’s “Break on Through”!

    • @acausalfermion
      @acausalfermion 2 роки тому +3

      Bossa nova brilliance!

    • @dianapas6442
      @dianapas6442 2 роки тому +2

      I was waiting for that one too😄

    • @sinenkaari5477
      @sinenkaari5477 2 роки тому +5

      Also Peace Frog

    • @DrummerBoy233
      @DrummerBoy233 2 роки тому +1

      I LOVE the drums and guitar on 'Moonlight Drive'.

    • @davidc6032
      @davidc6032 2 роки тому +2

      An amazing band. Aside from the Lizard King, one rock's greatest frontmen, the three musicians; Ray, John and Robbie are/were exceptionally talented.

  • @stevelewis2080
    @stevelewis2080 Рік тому +12

    Stevie Wonder - Superstition, Led Zeppelin - Good Times, Bad Times (more iconic than Fool in the Rain), ZZ Top - La Grange, all songs that should be on the list. Also "What is Hip" by Tower of Power has one of the most iconic funk grooves ever. "Suck my Kiss" by RHCP is iconic

  • @wojciechukasik4330
    @wojciechukasik4330 2 роки тому

    I just love to watch Your videos. I play drums myself and learn so much from You. Keep up the good work, U’re the Cat !!! Cheers from Warsaw, Poland

  • @alexbowman7582
    @alexbowman7582 2 роки тому +88

    That story Ringo Starr told about John Lennon playing him a recording of a band and telling him I want you to play the drums like that and Ringo replied but John that’s two drummer and John responded don’t let that stop you.

  • @Valvey789
    @Valvey789 2 роки тому +28

    Mitch Mitchell's loose jazzy feel is just what that group needed.

  • @fuzzywuzzy854
    @fuzzywuzzy854 2 роки тому +32

    “Waiting on the world to change” has a drum groove that is definitely over looked and it’s insanely groovy. Steve Jordan Is wild

  • @suasponte1775
    @suasponte1775 2 роки тому +19

    I have to admit, I was waiting for "Take The Money And Run" by the Steve Miller Band. Several of the groves you selected could be played without the guitars and the keyboards helping out, and very few people would even know for sure which song it was from. But as soon as you hear that particular drum grove introducing the song with nothing else playing along - you IMMEDIATELY know what it is. And, not only does it set the mood and style from the very beginning, it's vital to carrying it all the way through to the end. Definitely worthy of being included next time around!

    • @stevemoser6268
      @stevemoser6268 2 роки тому +3

      Gary Mallaber is one of the most overlooked drummers. Great taste.

  • @lukehowellmusic
    @lukehowellmusic 2 роки тому +390

    I was so sure Superstition was going to be on here.😂

    • @guitarforumdude
      @guitarforumdude 2 роки тому +8

      Same. And credit would've had to go to Jeff Beck.

    • @ArtemusClydeFrog1
      @ArtemusClydeFrog1 2 роки тому +5

      That slushy hi hat!

    • @grahamdowney5550
      @grahamdowney5550 2 роки тому +14

      @@guitarforumdude actually, it was played by Wonder

    • @Guitarista1992
      @Guitarista1992 2 роки тому +7

      @@guitarforumdude It was played by Stevie Wonder!

    • @patrickkillen8569
      @patrickkillen8569 2 роки тому +14

      @@Guitarista1992 @Graham Downey Jeff beck played the drum groove in a session with Stevie wonder which led to Wonder jamming with a beck and he wrote superstition and gave the the song to Jeff beck as a gift.

  • @scottthompson5855
    @scottthompson5855 2 роки тому +88

    Phil Collins on drums in Frida’s “Something’s Going On”. The simple drum riff drives the song....Killer.

    • @keetmadu1054
      @keetmadu1054 2 роки тому

      YES

    • @SuperRichyrich11
      @SuperRichyrich11 2 роки тому

      Just checked it out. Yup 👍🏽

    • @nooey1487
      @nooey1487 2 роки тому

      I never put it together that that was Phil Collins. But I just listened to it, and it is so clearly and uniquely Phil Collins. Reminds me a lot of his drums in "Why Doesn't Anybody Stay Together Anymore"

  • @chairsmissing
    @chairsmissing 2 роки тому +12

    We should acknowledge the In Bloom intro fill/groove is actually written by Nirvana's OG drummer, Chad Channing. Grohl even mentioned this on the band's Hall of Fame induction speech.

    • @julesbeckman
      @julesbeckman 18 днів тому

      And Grohl tells Pharrell he ripped his flam fills from funk: gap band, cameo

    • @chairsmissing
      @chairsmissing 18 днів тому

      @@julesbeckman all our favorite musicians ripped off their ideas from somewhere, it's nothing new.

  • @ramuelcabuena7949
    @ramuelcabuena7949 2 роки тому +13

    Chester Thompson's amazing groove on Phil Collins' Take me Home should be included here.

  • @DavidDiMuzio
    @DavidDiMuzio 2 роки тому +347

    I’m so glad you picked “Fool In The Rain”, I think that is my personal favorite Led Zeppelin drum groove.

    • @RjBurger
      @RjBurger 2 роки тому +5

      As a drummer, I agree

    • @ryanjones4150
      @ryanjones4150 2 роки тому +19

      There are so many Bonzo grooves that could be on this list : Black Dog is such a great groove against the odd melody. For Your Love, The Crunge, The Rover, Sick Again, Kashmir, and on and on and on. Basically every one. All Hail John Bonham.

    • @froggycroaked1603
      @froggycroaked1603 2 роки тому +4

      Bonzo triplets!!
      Four Sticks.
      Hammer of the gods!

    • @cvn6555
      @cvn6555 2 роки тому +3

      @@ryanjones4150 Total amateur but finally, after breaking it down note by note and sticking with it for months, got that groove down. Felt amazing.

    • @jamesweldon9726
      @jamesweldon9726 2 роки тому

      @@cvn6555
      Yeah the ghost notes are a killer to get right.
      The samba in the middle is also pretty hard.

  • @engrtobe
    @engrtobe 2 роки тому +80

    Where's "When the Levee Breaks"? John Bohnam is like a train pushing this song down the tracks..

  • @Daniel_Rodrigues_89
    @Daniel_Rodrigues_89 2 роки тому +17

    One of my favorite "groovers" is the first guy that comes to mind when somebody asks me about underrated drummers: Brian Downey from Thin Lizzy. The whole "Live and Dangerous" album is an entire library of tasteful, classic hard rock grooving.

    • @heldig5617
      @heldig5617 2 роки тому +1

      His drum fills in Bad Reputation, nothing but stupendous!!!!

    • @markdrum2392
      @markdrum2392 2 роки тому +1

      "Jphnny The Fox" has a massive groove. Actually Brian Downey had a million of 'em

  • @darkogregec7503
    @darkogregec7503 Рік тому

    Wow! Great choice. I totaly agree with all of them! Well done Rick

  • @Max-dd4ow
    @Max-dd4ow 2 роки тому +372

    I think “When the Levee breaks” at least deserves an honorable mention IMO

    • @davearonow65
      @davearonow65 2 роки тому +38

      I would put it at number 1.

    • @deenine
      @deenine 2 роки тому +8

      Oh, yes. Much better than 20

    • @texasrigger1316
      @texasrigger1316 2 роки тому +12

      Literally my first thought when I read the video title. I was very surprised it didn't even get a mention.

    • @jackbenedict4259
      @jackbenedict4259 2 роки тому +14

      It got number 1 for drum intros I believe

    • @IlliniDog01
      @IlliniDog01 2 роки тому +4

      I assumed it was going to be number 1

  • @boblittle2529
    @boblittle2529 2 роки тому +28

    The first groove that came to my mind was Ringo Starr's from Ticket To Ride

    • @philip6502
      @philip6502 2 роки тому

      Cool beat and great sounding kit!

  • @artjock47
    @artjock47 2 роки тому

    Rick, very well thought out list. I think you accomplished your goal with the influential angle. Well done..!

  • @seraeirian2
    @seraeirian2 6 місяців тому +3

    Joy Division - Love Will Tear Us Apart. I just love the simple, but effective syncopation of the snare on the 8th and 16th bars.

  • @severed_lips
    @severed_lips 2 роки тому +78

    For “In Bloom” Chad Channing wrote the drum parts, but Dave recorded them for the Nevermind version

    • @GoAndPractice
      @GoAndPractice 2 роки тому +2

      Also, the big fills during the intro of “In Bloom” are in the ending of “When The Levee Breaks”

    • @gianfavero
      @gianfavero 2 роки тому

      @@GoAndPractice for real?

    • @alexwestconsulting
      @alexwestconsulting 2 роки тому

      @@GoAndPractice huh?

    • @patrickj7009
      @patrickj7009 2 роки тому +1

      But the video doesn’t even play the groove for In Bloom.

    • @alexwestconsulting
      @alexwestconsulting 2 роки тому

      @@patrickj7009 2:42 #17

  • @JesseSlicer
    @JesseSlicer 2 роки тому +69

    When it comes to Led Zeppelin, I think the groove in "The Ocean" is beyond iconic.

    • @Anders2112
      @Anders2112 2 роки тому +7

      There are so many. Good Times Bad Times, Whole Lotta Love, Heartbreaker, Black Dog, Dazed and Confused, How Many More Times, Achilles Last Stand just from the top of my head.
      Edit: Forgot Kashmir.

    • @Gretzky2857
      @Gretzky2857 2 роки тому +1

      Definitely!

    • @stevengifford7457
      @stevengifford7457 2 роки тому +1

      When I read "Top 20 Drum Grooves", a half-dozen Led Zeppelin grooves went through my head at once.

    • @nelsonleduc8833
      @nelsonleduc8833 2 роки тому

      +1 on The Ocean

    • @ginov.7039
      @ginov.7039 2 роки тому

      💯

  • @warrenstrachan9765
    @warrenstrachan9765 Рік тому

    LOVED this video, please do a part 2

  • @gradybrowning3976
    @gradybrowning3976 2 роки тому +4

    Bill Withers, Use Me Up had my head moving. What a grove!!

  • @songsmithy07
    @songsmithy07 2 роки тому +14

    Here are some of my faves:
    "Come Together" - Ringo
    "Walking On the Moon" - Stewart Copeland
    "Watching the Detectives" - Pete Thomas
    "Roundabout" - Bill Bruford
    Zappa's "Muffin Man" - Terry Bozio
    "Walk Away" or "Sunday Bloody Sunday" - Larry Mullen Jr.
    "What Is Hip" - David Garibaldi

  • @zhuochengliu7433
    @zhuochengliu7433 2 роки тому +169

    “Take Five” is definitely on my list!

    • @JowSithm
      @JowSithm 2 роки тому +4

      Anything by Joe Morello deserves to be in this list!

    • @matthewb8229
      @matthewb8229 2 роки тому +3

      So I'm not the only one that has posted about the lack of the Take 5.

    • @katieell4084
      @katieell4084 2 роки тому +1

      I always thought that was a cute title and a cool song.

    • @ryo-kai8587
      @ryo-kai8587 2 роки тому +2

      I vote for "Take 5"
      There was only one song in 5/4 on this list and as Rick said, it was the only "odd-time" groove on the list.

    • @craigberry4051
      @craigberry4051 2 роки тому

      Certainly a worthy contender.

  • @jimconnell133
    @jimconnell133 2 роки тому

    Great as always!

  • @josephsatterfield1210
    @josephsatterfield1210 2 роки тому

    Another great list. Rick!

  • @edphaze6550
    @edphaze6550 2 роки тому +43

    The “Neil Peart” groove, like in Spirit of Radio and other Rush songs. Also Jesus Christ Pose from Sound Garden. Sick.

    • @jesussaves2043
      @jesussaves2043 2 роки тому +8

      I totally agree! YYZ, La Villa so on

    • @3du76
      @3du76 2 роки тому

      Available Light!

    • @2112bigd
      @2112bigd 2 роки тому +1

      The Spirit of Radio/YYZ/Subdivisions groove. Absolutely.

    • @horseorgan4073
      @horseorgan4073 2 роки тому +1

      You won't find an awful lot of Neil in Rick's videos. Some.....but not a lot.

    • @trevormills3339
      @trevormills3339 2 роки тому +4

      The Spirit of Radio groove DRIVES that song so much, expected it to be on here. Cool list though love the genre variety.

  • @jeffschell9185
    @jeffschell9185 2 роки тому +126

    The groove in Stevie Wonder’s Superstition is iconic.

    • @miracinonyx265
      @miracinonyx265 2 роки тому +4

      @Jeff Schell Agreed, I came here to say exactly this!

    • @Nautilus1972
      @Nautilus1972 2 роки тому +5

      PLayed by stevie ...

    • @hbermpi
      @hbermpi 2 роки тому +2

      That drum groove is the song!

    • @spiceweasel945
      @spiceweasel945 2 роки тому +1

      I was sure it would be in there!

    • @jpackel
      @jpackel Рік тому +1

      Should be on the list. Stevie is an amazing drummer.

  • @jshapiro
    @jshapiro 2 роки тому

    Love that you included Gadd’s Mozambique (1 & 2e A eA 4e A) on Late in the Evening. Great groove by one of the best to sit on (an aptly named) drum “throne”.

  • @Daveuga11
    @Daveuga11 Рік тому +7

    Some others I know are already mentioned, 50 ways, Superstition, and Billie Jean.
    Kudos to your drummer re-creating the sound, the feel, and esp pulling off Eulogy smoothly. That ain’t easy!

  • @oskarnystrom4643
    @oskarnystrom4643 2 роки тому +15

    “Walking on the moon” guitar tone was perfect!

  • @Diatonic5th
    @Diatonic5th 2 роки тому +69

    Great list, but where's the *"Amen Break"* by drummer Gregory Coleman? This groove is so iconic that it actually spawned an entire genre of music!

    • @larryheiden9136
      @larryheiden9136 2 роки тому +1

      I was thinking the same thing!!! I love listening to songs and trying to find that beat!!!

    • @VirmanaMarketing
      @VirmanaMarketing 2 роки тому +4

      Just wrote that before reading your comment. The Amen Break is a break that spawned the Drum n Bass genre, all rap stuff in the 90’s… I mean forget about it

    • @craigberry4051
      @craigberry4051 2 роки тому +2

      Yeah…i kept thinking, ok now here comes the Amen Break. That omission was probably the most surprising to me. Not sure how many drummers it inspired, but the sample probably ended up on a million tracks!

    • @eliassimon666
      @eliassimon666 2 роки тому +1

      @@craigberry4051 I totally agree the Amen should have been here. Even if you arbitrarily leave electronic beat-makers out of the "people that were inspired", any drummer that plays DnB was influenced, like Jojo Mayer, Johnny Rabb, Louis Cole, etc.

    • @vagstuten9454
      @vagstuten9454 2 роки тому

      Well that isn’t a beat that’s used for the whole song though. I’m not sure if it could technically be considered a drum groove by Beato’s standards

  • @averycarswell6748
    @averycarswell6748 2 роки тому +3

    “What a Fool Believes” is my favorite. Also great piano intro as well

  • @nickmcdowall3035
    @nickmcdowall3035 2 роки тому +16

    I always enjoy Rick's brilliant and illuminating presentations! Think Keith Moon deserved an entry in this list though!

  • @cosiodesign9202
    @cosiodesign9202 2 роки тому +84

    Let me add some of my Top Drum Grooves of all time:
    1. SING SING SING - Gene Krupa
    2. How Soon Is Now? - The Smiths
    3. Come Together - The Beatles
    4. Soul to Squeeze - Red Hot Chili Peppers
    5. Freak on a leash - Korn
    6. Live Forever - Oasis
    7. Break on Through - The Doors
    8. Around the fur/Passenger - Deftones
    9. Sunday Bloody Sunday - U2
    10. Introducing Place Players - Mew
    11. Beautiful Disaster - 311
    12. Bleed - Meshuggah
    13. Are you in? - Incubus
    14. I Shot the Sheriff - Eric Clapton
    15. Epic - Faith No More
    16. What would you say - Dave Matthews Band
    17. Sympathy for the devil - The Rolling Stones
    18. Harold of the Rocks - PRIMUS
    19. Supersition - Stivie Wonder
    20. Detroit Rock City - KISS

    • @walrusgumboot
      @walrusgumboot 2 роки тому +6

      Solid list!

    • @BudSchnelker
      @BudSchnelker 2 роки тому +1

      Great list. I'd substitute "Panic" for "How Soon Is Now".

    • @jeremyellismusic
      @jeremyellismusic 2 роки тому +2

      Yo, brother, great list! Check mine in another comment; it's like our lists compliment each other and force an obvious top 50 list.

    • @Lanxe
      @Lanxe 2 роки тому +4

      Sing Sing Sing is a great call. Benny Goodman version for me but top choice!

    • @jaimierobertson3898
      @jaimierobertson3898 2 роки тому +2

      I'd drop Korn for limp bizkit my generation

  • @DrummerBoy233
    @DrummerBoy233 2 роки тому +54

    A few that come to mind after seeing your list:
    'Behind the Wall of Sleep' - Black Sabbath
    'Suck My Kiss' - Red Hot Chilli Peppers
    'Wicked Garden' - Stone Temple Pilots
    This one might not be that special, but I love jamming to it, 'State of Love and Trust' - Pearl Jam
    'More Than a Feeling' - Boston
    Lastly, 'Trampled Under Foot' - Led Zeppelin

    • @isaiahnunez7319
      @isaiahnunez7319 2 роки тому +2

      the lack of Chad Smith in this video is disappointing

    • @schaddalton
      @schaddalton 2 роки тому +1

      I'd also submit that "Soul to Squeeze" has a killer drum groove.

    • @BluesMcGoo
      @BluesMcGoo 2 роки тому

      That Wall of Sleep groove blew me away the first time I heard that album. So killer!

    • @amwilliams1502
      @amwilliams1502 2 роки тому +4

      Hand of doom too. Bill ward gets overlooked wrongly in my opinion

    • @seedofwonder
      @seedofwonder 2 роки тому

      Most days "Trampled Under Foot" is my fav Zeppelin song.

  • @clubpenguin13531
    @clubpenguin13531 2 роки тому +12

    Glad you mentioned Cold Shot. Double Trouble was such a good band, and Chris Layton, Tommy Shannon, and Reese Wynans deserve a lot of credit

    • @taylorfusion
      @taylorfusion 2 роки тому

      Cold shot, sure but I wished lovestruck baby would’ve made the cut here as I think it stands out better

  • @AvengedFull
    @AvengedFull 2 роки тому

    man that bill withers hit strong, gotta love the "soul" like groove man, something in you automatically wants to close your eyes and just feel it

  • @jg5861
    @jg5861 2 роки тому +41

    Led Zeppelin's "Heartbreaker" and Stevie Wonder's "Superstition". They make such an incredible groovy pulse with such simple textures, it always blows my mind.

  • @guitarnoise
    @guitarnoise 2 роки тому +21

    According to Ringo, we've all played "Come Together" wrong.
    He said, being left handed he had to play that roll from low tom to high tom.
    What we thought we heard, is not what he played...

    • @uptoeleven
      @uptoeleven 2 роки тому +1

      And the groove, of that song, is in the verse, and it's a single drum. He's riding on the floor tom, just playing that, one-handed. So, so simple but just the right rhythm for the song and it grooves so well.

  • @JimFothergill
    @JimFothergill 2 роки тому

    Great stuff Rick!!!!!

  • @edwindriesprong8017
    @edwindriesprong8017 2 роки тому +4

    Waiting On The World To Change - John Mayer. Drums played by the amazing Steve Jordan. Such a great groove!

  • @bereantrb
    @bereantrb 2 роки тому +21

    Rick Marotta’s groove on Steely Dan’s Peg has been in my bones since I was a kid.

    • @duster722
      @duster722 2 роки тому +1

      Alas, I watched the whole thing thinking, “it’s gotta be next!” Lol

  • @jeffdufour2667
    @jeffdufour2667 2 роки тому +92

    "Superstition," "When the Levee Breaks," "White Room," Paul Revere and the Raiders' "I'm Not Your Stepping Stone," and gotta have something from Bill Ward. Probably "Wasp/Behind the Wall of Sleep."

    • @VaughnDJs
      @VaughnDJs 2 роки тому

      White Room! yep

    • @scottmurphy650
      @scottmurphy650 2 роки тому +1

      Double thumbs up for Mickey Dolenz' Stepping Stone". However, the original track was recorded with studio musicians. At 65 I grew up watching the Monkees and still watch them today.

    • @richardlipscomb815
      @richardlipscomb815 2 роки тому +1

      Superstition, yes! Shouldn't have been, but I was surprised when I first read SW played drums on that track.

    • @johngerygooz3251
      @johngerygooz3251 2 роки тому

      "Superstition" and "When the Levee Breaks are intros. "White Room" is definetly a great groove.

    • @spareroomdemos2006
      @spareroomdemos2006 2 роки тому +1

      Interesting that the Superstition groove was played by Jeff Beck at rehearsal. Stevie Wonder told Jeff to keep playing it and he jammed the keyboard riff and created the song on the spot

  • @DanielNambassi
    @DanielNambassi Рік тому

    Loved this list

  • @NorbertNordberghDiedrich
    @NorbertNordberghDiedrich 2 роки тому +3

    Wonderful list! (I am an amateur drummer) All of my favorite drummers are featured... BUT. I would like to remember a sometimes underestimated drummer: Pick Withers. Specially his work on "Sultans Of Swing" has always been very inspiring to me. The best swinging' Rock song. :-)

  • @AustinJKay
    @AustinJKay 2 роки тому +88

    I was hoping to hear When the Levee Breaks or Tomorrow Never Knows

    • @ZiPolishHammer
      @ZiPolishHammer 2 роки тому +5

      When the Levee Breaks is probably the most sampled drum recording of all time. Definitely deserved a top 5 spot.

    • @sendjamin
      @sendjamin 2 роки тому

      You read my mind

    • @craig9911
      @craig9911 2 роки тому +1

      @@ZiPolishHammer i was expecting it at 1

    • @jimihendrix225
      @jimihendrix225 2 роки тому +5

      Tomorrow never knows is a great one

    • @squatch545
      @squatch545 2 роки тому +1

      Definitely those.

  • @WolfusMusicus
    @WolfusMusicus 2 роки тому +94

    Slow and powerful, one of a kind: Rush: Tom Sawyer

    • @colinwallace5286
      @colinwallace5286 2 роки тому +5

      There’s a definite “feel” to that one for sure. I loved the way they could switch the style so cleanly, but always come back to that opening groove and feel. Wish I was planning for tickets to their next tour…😑

    • @johnprewitt9095
      @johnprewitt9095 2 роки тому +3

      Yeah. Big Miss Rick

    • @Caritasaveritas
      @Caritasaveritas 2 роки тому +2

      My first thought❗️

    • @jarem2112
      @jarem2112 2 роки тому

      ...yeah, I think I know why Rick didn't add any Neil groves to the list.. and its fine, I like the list!... but I don't think Rush is known for this... Had Rick being a nerd like some of us, the list would have looked totally different, with many Neil, Bonham, and Moon entries... Neil being the Howard Roark of them all.

    • @glazalde07
      @glazalde07 2 роки тому +1

      @@brendonelton can't believe I'm even responding to you as this post wasn't even worth reading let alone responding to....

  • @aMan-or9ij
    @aMan-or9ij 2 роки тому +2

    Off the top of my head, Omar Hakim's uptempo shuffle groove on Sting's 'Shadow's in the Rain' , Terry Bozzio's "Copeland-ish" less-is-more reggae groove on Jeff Beck's 'Behind the Veil', Bill Bruford's stiff, yet flowing 4/4 groove on Genesis' live 'Cinema Show' (Seconds Out) , Will Calhoun's funky groove on Living Colour's "Funny Vibe", and Phil Collins' slick 7/8 groove on 'Firth of Fifth' are but a few of my favs.

  • @clannad99germany70
    @clannad99germany70 Рік тому +3

    You are great, your first 3 grooves, shuffle, are unique and your no 1 of Aja, one of the best album ever, deserved it, "home at last" and no 2 the late Bonham and no 3 the late Jeff Porcaro, always loved this shuffle. So a good choice Rick, Top 20 grooves.

  • @nunancreative8932
    @nunancreative8932 2 роки тому +20

    A lot of great ones here. A few I was hoping to see. Sunday Bloody Sunday - Larry Mullen Jr., Everybody Wants to Rule the World - Tears for Fears, Turn it on again - Phil Collins/Genesis, Tom Sawyer - Neil Peart.

    • @mightyV444
      @mightyV444 2 роки тому

      'Sunday, Bloody Sunday' and also (I think?!) 'Bullet The Blue Sky' were included in the '20 Drum Intros' video, though 🙂

    • @mightyV444
      @mightyV444 2 роки тому +1

      @@woocifer - Finally someone who uses 'base' in the right context! 😀 I so often notice "base guitar" or "base drum" in comments, even on actual bass-related channels! And I agree: Phil Collins had drummed some great stuff, too! 🙂

  • @SixStrings-
    @SixStrings- 2 роки тому +39

    The drum groove on “up on cripple creek” is great!

  • @benoittapin9594
    @benoittapin9594 6 місяців тому +3

    Simple but pounding drum groove on ZZ TOP 's " Give me all your lovin'. Keeps the energy throughout the song. Gibbons 's guitar playing would not be the same without it!

  • @kennethlambden8887
    @kennethlambden8887 2 роки тому +4

    Aretha’s “Rock Steady” deserves a mention. Purdie again nailing it.

  • @danbromley3663
    @danbromley3663 2 роки тому +146

    Sean Kinneys drumming from Alice in Chains’ “No Excuses” is a fantastic grove.

    • @greythoundsounds9445
      @greythoundsounds9445 2 роки тому +3

      I love Sean’s drumming, but I always thought No Excuses sounded pretty close to Journey’s Don’t Stop Believing. Check it out, you’ll see what I mean.

    • @eagleeyeproductions2317
      @eagleeyeproductions2317 2 роки тому +3

      The hi-hat work in this song is great, nice melodic fills as well

    • @epicrampage3041
      @epicrampage3041 2 роки тому +6

      I would toss Would? in there or What the Hell Have I

    • @danbromley3663
      @danbromley3663 2 роки тому +3

      @@greythoundsounds9445 hey I see what you mean. Never noticed that before. I prefer the complexity of “no excuses” though. 👍🏼

    • @greythoundsounds9445
      @greythoundsounds9445 2 роки тому +1

      @@danbromley3663 for sure, no excuses has the slick hihat and the added complexity, I just remember doing the “wait a minute” and it was actually after hearing Don’t Stop Believing after a long break where I was like No Excuses is like this

  • @OMIF1
    @OMIF1 2 роки тому +36

    I do not know how one could do this list without including "Sing, sing, sing" With Gene Krupa on Drums. :)

  • @Red05150
    @Red05150 Рік тому +5

    Rosanna and Fool in the Rain are some of the best grooves and fills ever

  • @andrewwallus847
    @andrewwallus847 2 роки тому

    Always such great content! Can we get a top drum BREAKS vid????

  • @simonmowatt
    @simonmowatt 2 роки тому +22

    I love the drum groove in Paul Simon's "Fifty Ways to Leave Your Lover".

  • @paulgodin1166
    @paulgodin1166 2 роки тому +194

    Paul simon's songs are killer, Steve gadd's groove on Fifty ways to leave your lover is also pretty great

    • @BigBri550
      @BigBri550 2 роки тому +7

      Ages ago I worked with a really good drummer who warmed himself up before a gig or practice session with the "Fifty Ways" groove. After hearing this drummer warming up with it for the dozenth time, I told him he copped it cold.
      He shook his head and replied, "No, it's impossible for me to duplicate the subtle dynamics of it, but I keep trying."
      I thought, "Damn! man, cut yourself some slack."

    • @toddwalker4301
      @toddwalker4301 2 роки тому +4

      I honestly thought this one would be number 1.

    • @lameplanet
      @lameplanet Рік тому +1

      Yeah, I was surprised not to see that one.

    • @ankihansen2489
      @ankihansen2489 Рік тому

      That groove is legendary and so much better than the one from "Late in the Evening"!

    • @jimford7649
      @jimford7649 Рік тому

      Was going to add 50 Ways, but you beat me to it. Great groove!

  • @lrtk36
    @lrtk36 2 роки тому

    As always Rick, informational and entertaining

  • @russellberger7331
    @russellberger7331 4 місяці тому

    Love the Home At Last groove. During the chorus, Purdie also opens the hats for the notes on the third partial of every triplet, and it just feels so good. It's very difficult to keep those little sizzles consistent and light enough that the groove doesn't sound busy.

  • @kazuokuroi3316
    @kazuokuroi3316 2 роки тому +41

    For me, "funky drummer" it's more iconic than cold sweat. And should be on top 3
    Anyhow really nice list!

    • @douglee7985
      @douglee7985 2 роки тому +3

      I came to the comments to say this. Most iconic drum beat in all modern music.

    • @davidpanzer1166
      @davidpanzer1166 2 роки тому

      I mentioned it before I saw your comment

  • @spiceweasel945
    @spiceweasel945 2 роки тому +136

    Ginger Baker should have been in there - probably for “White Room” but really for a lot of stuff. Hugely influential as well.
    Larry Mullen Jnr with “Sunday Bloody Sunday” also.
    John Densmore had several pretty iconic grooves with the Doors.
    Stevie Wonder “Superstition”
    Great to see the Meters feature!!!!

    • @MarkFromNJ1
      @MarkFromNJ1 2 роки тому +8

      I was thinking "Break on Through" would be a good choice.

    • @michiganscissorworks2205
      @michiganscissorworks2205 2 роки тому +2

      Ginger came to my mind too. His jazz roots put a unique spin on the blues/psychedelic rock Cream played.

    • @gaughin1
      @gaughin1 2 роки тому +1

      He did emphasize "my PERSONAL top 20 drum grooves" though.

    • @spiceweasel945
      @spiceweasel945 2 роки тому +3

      @@gaughin1 ..while suggesting we propose others in the comments 😉👍🏼

    • @gibby9298
      @gibby9298 2 роки тому +4

      Ginger Baker is way too overlooked nowadays sadly. One of the greats.

  • @kenhdog
    @kenhdog 6 місяців тому

    Good list! Cant think of any wild misses!

  • @anthonyglaser929
    @anthonyglaser929 2 роки тому +3

    1) Yuval Gabay w/Soul Coughing the song is Idiot Kings from Irresistible Bliss. 2) Omar Hakim, w/Sting, the song is Shadows in the Rain from the Blue Turtles. 3) Bernard Purdie again with Josie. 4) Vinnie C. again w/Sting Don't Know Nothin Bout Me from Ten Summoners Tales. 5) Steve Gadd - 50 ways. Nice clip Rick.

    • @jpackel
      @jpackel Рік тому

      Virtually any Yuval groove; he’s a master. Seeing him live with Soul Coughing at Wetlands in 1994 was a seminal experience.

  • @bartley3742
    @bartley3742 2 роки тому +51

    I'd add: "Take the Money and Run," " She Said, She Said," "Billie Jean," and my number 1, "50 Ways to Leave Your Lover." Great list, Rick.

    • @TimMillernapavalleyfilmworks
      @TimMillernapavalleyfilmworks 2 роки тому +6

      Yes 50 ways!

    • @kevinsmith9691
      @kevinsmith9691 2 роки тому

      I always thought "She Said, She Said" was some of Ringo's best playing. Almost jazzy sounding.

    • @froty1794
      @froty1794 2 роки тому +1

      ‘Billie Jean’ came to kind too but maybe wrong genre. Don’t think I’ve heard him ever mention an MJ track.

  • @eddieavakian
    @eddieavakian 2 роки тому +44

    This has to be hardest list you’ve ever had to make in terms of what to leave out. HOWEVER… you really needed to include Fifty Ways to Leave Your Lover.

    • @treed873
      @treed873 2 роки тому +1

      Another great Steve Gadd track!

    • @aking8477
      @aking8477 2 роки тому +1

      I don't think I've ever heard that before. I'm going to have to check that out.
      Edit: I just checked it out. Good suggestion. That is definitely an interesting/cool piece of work.

    • @enriquemora9272
      @enriquemora9272 2 роки тому +3

      Steve Gadd is awesome

    • @tarp11z
      @tarp11z 2 роки тому

      @@aking8477 there's nothing like it

  • @alexhansonstewart2983
    @alexhansonstewart2983 2 роки тому

    Hi Rick, I am a long-time fan of your channel. I would definitely nominate: '6 Underground' by The Sneaker Pimps as one of my all-time favorite drum grooves, it's so chilled but there's plenty of tension in the song at times too. I also like the Goldfinger sample ... it transports me!

  • @tailhookmd2546
    @tailhookmd2546 2 роки тому

    Great list. I think my favorite drum groove ever is the late great Pat Torpey on “Take Cover” (Mr Big). RIP!

  • @mariodriessen9740
    @mariodriessen9740 2 роки тому +41

    What about 'Radar Love' by Golden Earring?
    I'd say that's a pretty iconic groove.

  • @anthonymetcalf660
    @anthonymetcalf660 2 роки тому +22

    Someone appreciates Manic Depression as much as I do! That beat is so unique for a verse.

    • @sbunc92
      @sbunc92 2 роки тому +1

      I love that is it is in a waltz time signature

    • @FL8mileshigh1
      @FL8mileshigh1 2 роки тому

      Clive Bunkers groove in the 1969 Jethro Tull song, "Nothing Is Easy, " is very similar. Mitch Mitchell was a great and influential drummer in his time. He did some great work on the Hendrix tune,"Third Stone From The Sun, which appears on the same album as "Manic Depression."

    • @teppscan
      @teppscan 2 роки тому

      @@FL8mileshigh1 I maintain that the Experience was the world's first fusion band, as much because of Mitchell as Hendrix -- Up From the Skies, Manic Depressions, Third Stone from the Sun, and If 6 was 9 all have heavy jazz influences.

  • @tyrport
    @tyrport 10 місяців тому +4

    Saw Herbie Hancock in concert in the 70’s. They started with a 15 minute gourd solo. It was mesmerizing.

  • @StelltheBear
    @StelltheBear 6 місяців тому +1

    The Steve miller fly like an eagle drum part is one of the grooviest I’ve ever heard, with ghost notes going the whole time on the snare, not quite swung, but not quite straight, all that jazz