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I like your channel, i don't agree with everything all the time, but i'm not into the whole "Oh noo! you said ONE thing i REAALLY DON'T AGREE WITH!, all the stuff i enjoyed so far, DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING ANYMORE, UNSUB, UNLIKE AND NOW I'M GONNA GO TO SUBREDDIT, THE DEEPEST PETRIDISH OF SCUMBAGGERY AND WRITE ABOUT THIS ...THIS BETRAYAL OF PARASOCIALISM OF HE HIGHEST DEGREE!!!, I WILL NEVER EVER EVER FORGIVE YOU FOR SAYING THAT COCONUTFLAVOR ICECREAM IS INFERIOR TO STRAWBERRY!!" GOODBYE, FOR.....EVER!!" You, sister, really contain multitudes, you are well read, wise AND smart AND has good takes on stuff...those three are not as common as one would think, I'll spare you gentleman level compliments on how you look, you're beautiful and don't need some old mans misplaced attempt to give compliments as positive affirmation, so there...thats that. I am Working class, under educated but interested so i sought out some stuff here and there, which makes me know a thing or two about patriarchy, capitalism, geopolitics etc....but, as some litterature ages well, my generation does not, they are like, blind to how conservatives maybe aren't recruiting them to their ideology, but they sure as hell take the whole "kids theses days, they are NOT like when we were kids" (aside from that i have noticed, that alot of kids seem smarter than we were at their age"´) and "the young are lazy, and without having being slave to a shitty system for as long as us, HOW DARE THEY CRITICIZE IT!" and ofc "yeah, they are young, we all know the "phazes" they go through, the need for change in the world and systemic change, it will pass" (last one makes me angry at certain people, i mean, just because you gave up and became your parent in the same fucking way you intelligently laid out how wrong it was, today you have just given in, given up the younger generations are not wrong, chomsky is still not wrong, and hes old as fuck when is his phase gonna end huh?" Now, this didn't have much to do with your video, it's because i have nothing to add, i just learned. But, that's the thing, i listened to someone younger than me, and learned a fuckton my anger and dissapointment does not lie with you, it's with the friends i have whom ate the "Bill Maher" shit and did it without even reacting to the fact that people with nazi connections, faschists (whom both SHOULD NEVER HAVE A PLATFORM, don't care about freedom of speech in this case, why? Well, how well does FREE SPEECH fare under faschism, ask the teacher in Israel who was arrested for a post on facebook in which he mourned the losses on both sides. Like, freedoom of speech was the first to go when nazis won in Germany, that's why the AFA fought so hard and probably still fight against their right to even open their dirty nazi mouths) and now he's bought into some of the anti trans shit as well, anti-vaxxer ofc because he is friend witht he shaved ape, dammit, he has a name, ah rogan who agrees with him, and i am willing to bet money on that Shapiro, Peterson, Elon Goodfornothingmusk and a few more faschist scum has their own keys to the studio and access to Mahers personal fucking Calendar so that they can book their own appearances. Like, wtf, ok, my leftie friends, they stay true, but we could support the younger generations better (and i am going to, i have a plan, sorta, like sharing info and see if it's needed, but most of all, be there to support them and give people the twofinger salute when they claim it''s a phase, stick to the back ground, because its' not my time, it's yours, we just gotta show we got your back, Makes sense, or have i as a 44 year old person who write messages as long as emails because that's what i'm used to...or was, when internet became popular. Never learned to use a faxmachine though... Take care, i wish you the best, you are the best! And i got your back, unless not needed, in such situation i shall simply excuse myself and bid you goodbye madame, Solo - Sweden
Learning to admit that admit to being wrong without feeling that I "lost" some sort of debate is one of the most freeing experiences in discourse, and learning to adjust your views based on new information is an important step toward personal growth.
I agree! Being right means you merely reaffirm the knowledge you've already had. But being wrong means you have learned something and have gained something new. Life is so much more exciting when you actively try to prove yourself wrong in order to be right.
This might be really odd but I think I trained myself to enjoy loosing. Or rather, look at the positives of doing so? When I lose an argument, I see it as a way to have a new perspective on the world. When I lose in sports, I see it as a way that I can improve in the future. Honestly the only time losing doesn't feel good is when it's pure luck and you get pummeled by misfortune lol
I met a person almost exactly like that protagonist from The Stranger. They seemed callous, and ended up offending more sensitive people, but upon getting to know the person, there was no malicious intent. Fascinating person, great for philosophical conversations.
@@SynthDecaywhat about the guy stuck out? Did he go against the crowd, was he vocal about things that may be controversial or just a matter of a fact?
People are strange when you're a stranger Faces look ugly when you're alone Women seem wicked when you're unwanted Streets are uneven when you're down When you're strange faces come out of the rain When you're strange no one remembers your name
kids out here today watching essays analyzing Kierkegaard and Nietzsche, but haven't heard The Doors, this is a crazy world we live in, I always thought a lot of these isolated types like incels would benefit immensely from a cultural education, your problems aren't that new
in my experience with mental health treatment, I have to be self estranged constantly to get any help. I have to view myself in this third person lens, as if I'm in a constant patient/doctor analysis. there's a fine line to this too, if you know too much, you're seen as faking. if you say too little, you're not seen as worth helping. there are no rulebooks for this either, and every professional is different. it's resulted in me not knowing how to experience my life and emotions in the moment.
True! I am no mental health professionalist Although I'm fond of philosophy and its theorizations as a result of that I developed a trait of interpreting situations/ people as indifferent to my emotional judgment EXCESSIVELY! Needless I get what you mean by the whole "3rd person lens".
I never once considered the fact that the main character of The Stranger was autistic, even though I've read The Stranger numerous times as well as having a BA in Psychology. Makes perfect sense in retrospect. It's wild how you can learn things that you should already know, and that seem obvious once you know them. 🤔
good stuff here olivia. it's really important to talk about history in a way that does not encourage a tacit acceptance for some type of social "truth" that we must accept about inferiority and superiority of certain people, and always important to question where mainstream historical narratives have decided a story "ends"
This video straight up directly covers so many things I have grappled with over a very difficult few years of life and growth from nihilism, fostering a more natural self identity as a neurodivergent person, and being a history major a tad obsessed with the role of culture and 'history' in forming oneself, that I will come across as a rambling maniac if I tried to write it all in a comment.. Basically this scratched an existential itch, so thank you!
I often have these moments (well recently not as much anymore) where I feel the absurdity of human society and this world in of itself and am just awestruck or pummeled by the weirdness of something seemingly normal. Im actually kind of fond of these moments, because they give me another angle on a certain topic, wich can be anything. I see myself as pretty selfreflected and so I often... well pretty much everytime like to take a step back and judge my own actions, be it in art or just my day to day life in general. Im really hard on myself, but it helps me also be happy with what I do and be proud of who I am and who I became (well sometimes).
I like to envision how people in the distant future would view my habits and day to day life. House plants, indoor pets, stuffed animals and dolls. All of these relics that will be left behind, and will likely look foreign to those who find it.
Kierkegaard has another great quote that I think runs parallel to the idea of self-estrangement. “When I was young, I forgot how to laugh in the cave of Trophonius; when I was older, I opened my eyes and beheld reality, at which I began to laugh, and since then, I have not stopped laughing. I saw that the meaning of life was to secure a livelihood, and that its goal was to attain a high position; that love’s rich dream was marriage with an heiress; that friendship’s blessing was help in financial difficulties; that wisdom was what the majority assumed it to be; that enthusiasm consisted in making a speech; that it was courage to risk the loss of ten dollars; that kindness consisted in saying, “You are welcome,” at the dinner table; that piety consisted in going to communion once a year. This I saw, and I laughed.”
@@MrWeeRhys Kierkegaard was saying that he came of age and was told the commonly held societal beliefs of the time on what a good life is. He laughs because it is all nonsense. That's what I gathered.
That's the entire point. You guys are turning yourselves into mental patients. You figure you won't owe anyone anything if you have an undefined identity. You personally might not be this cynical - you might not realize what's going on - but that's the scheme.
That's the point. You guys are turning yourselves into head cases. You figure you won't owe anyone anything if you have an undefined identity. You personally might not be this cynical - you might not realize what's going on - but that's the scheme.
@@JadLuvwhat you want is the problem (or can be, and is in my case). I don’t know what it is, and since nothing matters I have nothing on which I can base a choice. Mental prison I guess ;D
@@JadLuv Real Question: How do you know what you are doing is not harming others? Also what about the tragedy of the commons? What you are doing on your own may not impact others in isolation but it may harm others if done along side many others.
Thrilled to see you discussing Mersault, as I very recently read The Stranger and A Happy Death. He’s unlike any character I’d ever read about or seen, glad to see you diving into it
I think immersing yourself in a different culture (like actually living there for a while) is a way of self-estrangement. Hence so many people say that living abroad has changed them so much.
I'm still not sure I understand the concept of self-strangement, but I think I went through something similar during the lockdown years. I always had very strong beliefs, moral compass, and overall opinions. During lockdown, I found myself alone in a bedroom, staring at a wall for days on end, and that somehow made me reflect incessantly about who I was, why I was like that, and why I thought about my own opinions in such high regard. I realized that I am no more than anyone else, no matter how much I see myself as more righteous, more logical, more emphatetic. All these notions were fogging my view of other people's perspectives, understandings, life-long beliefs and morals. I might think I am more "moral", more "progressive" and, to an extent, more just and fair. But where does that lead me? I isolated myself from the real world, protected and alienated inside a bubble, where me and my inner circle lived as if we were right, all of those outside were wrong. I slowly left that bubble, even if I might have entered another one unknowingly, but I feel better. I realized that if I put myself as so morally superior, because I'm a leftist, because I am progressive, I'm simply going to lose connections with a whole world of people. I realized, that in real life, work life, everyday life, if I continued down that path I would live in loneliness. I am free to debate, to consider, to try and convince, but I am not, or at least should not be free to belittle, humilate and diminish those I disagree with. Needless to say, when I made those self reflections, I lost most of the friends I made in that bubble, but I realized I was limiting myself, my experience and understanding of life, on the notion that I had to be morally superior - which in and of itself is not morally correct at all, in my opinion. I realized I was not going to be in my early 20s forever, and that to survive (and be happy) in society, I needed to open my mind, to learn how to convey my opinions without offending other's intelligence. I am much happier, even if I abide or acknowledge social norms that I do not care or agree with. It is a fair price for my own peace of mind.
This resonates with me a lot. My views of the world have made me isolate myself more than I ever have, and it feels...hollow. like, empty. I wanna branch out more, and this echos what I tell myself all the time. I won't be young forever, and acting like a shadow will keep me from the light that the other people around me create
distracted socially, or with work, and or school. Literally distracted with talking, thinking, and writing (socially, or at work, and or school). But also distracted from yourself. When you are being social, at work or school, a lot of the time you are distracted from your self. Having to conform and act in ways that give you a sort of social acceptance. Like the people you hang around, maybe are very different from you, regardless you still will maybe do something you don't like for acceptance. During lockdown all that happened was that you actually had some time to think. Think for you self.
Thank you for sharing your experiences! This really made me question a lot. I've been thinking about similar things for a few months and it's hard for me to find a Balance between fighting for a more open and just World but also respecting - and not just respecting and accepting but also trying to understand - the opinions of others when they're different from my own but i'm working on finding the middle ground here.
Self-estrangement is actually something natural to me, due to my neurodivergence. It makes me very good at self-reflection though, as if I could put my own mind in front of a mirror. I guess that's also one of the reasons I'm so interested in postmodernism and works of fiction that use metalanguage. Seeing your very everyday reality as something "other" really helps you putting things in perspective.
The constant self reflection does go a long way for self estrangement because we try to understand and logic our feelings and decisions often as a third person
I love the concept of self-estrangement, especially the questioning of "why do you think like xyz?" or "why does this hurt you so much?". Deconstructing the way you think is what opens new possibilities and thus is the key to enlightenment. At least, that's what I believe. To me, it's very helpful to keep my mental health in check whenever I feel I get stuck in thought spirals or straight up start obsessing over something trivial and let that influence my life too much.
this video made me realize something that i will definitely be incorporating into my thesis! im writing about gender, fractals, and multiplicity of the self. im drawing a lot from Maria Lugones and Mariana Ortega. i feel like this idea of self estrangement is very much tied to the experience of being in between world and world traveling. when you travel from one world to another and contradictions come up (like Lugones’ famous example of being playful in her Latina community and unplayful or serious in her professional world) this causes self estrangement. but the problem doesn’t fall on the self to be consistent, i think it’s more about recognizing how different worlds have different expectations placed on the self and our comfortability acting one way or another in said context. both “contradictory” selves are still authentic selves imo, because the self is multiplicitous. i’ll stop here cuz i can’t explain all my ideas in a youtube comment, but i love your videos!!!❤️
حوار انك تفصل نفسك من ارائك دا فعلا مفيد مش بس عشان بيخليك تحكم على فكرك بطريقة موضوعية بدون تحيز بس كمان بيخليك تحس ان انت و رايك "مش واحد" يعني انا مش بنتمي لرايي و ممكن اؤمن بيه انهارده و افكر و اغيره بكره و اتعلم حاجات تانية و يتغير بعده عادي .... المشكلة ان الناس بيحددوا هويتهم بناءا على اللي بيصدقوه ف بالتالي لما يطلع اللي بيصدقوه دا غلط بيتزلزل كيانهم كله ... لكن لو احنا بناخد خطوة ورا و نفكر ان فعلا مفيش اي حاجه اكيده غير الموت و باقي الامور قابلة لشك حياتنا هتبقى اسهل بكتير و عقلنا هيبقى منفتح لتعلم حاجات اكتر فيديو ممتع
i actually JUST read the stranger and while i shouldn't be surprised i'm hearing about it on your channel, it's always feels like such a weird coincidence to learn something then start seeing it somewhere immediately. It was the same with harlow's monkey experiments and other concepts, saw them discussed in videos shortly after learning about them.
I had to read Albert camu’s book for a school essay and it really made me feel genuine emptiness and also sort of made me conscious on how at times when I felt « lost » I just didn’t know who I was in certain moments because I was trying too hard to associate myself to a too specific identity
One of my biggest steps in the process of achieving self estrangement was working with my humility. I don't know how many others can relate, as I've never yet had the conversation, but so many times in my lonesome I find myself trying to justify a belief of mine in some way or another. I think that, subconsciously, it made me feel secure. It grounded me on stone instead of gravel. I can readily understand why people would want that, even if it can be largely detrimental against the flow of progress, and I think when discussing with people absorbed in that ideology it'd be best to equip yourself with empathy, this understanding,when then you choose to enter a dialouge over the matger. As for myself, as of recent, I've been trying to call myself out when that ideology happens itself upon me, sort of set up this internal alarm bell. I've also been getting myself involved in alternative discourse in areas where I may not have the deepest knowledge, because I find that too extensive of research will just result in me seeking continued justification once again and only further close my ears towards the actual dialouge, though perhaps there is just a method or a balance I still need to fine.
You’re alway somehow on time to make a video at the exact time I am going through/ have thought about that exact topic lol. Thank you for the great content, one of my favorite channels!
I’m currently in high school and I love The Stranger. There we certainly things and lines that I didn’t understand fully, but I knew that I loved it and that the book was a comfort to me. I realize now that it is because I am like him and have always felt like an estranged observer because of my need to question what people say and do and to try and take a holistic perspective of it. Recently, I haven’t seen this side of myself as often because of the year I have experienced and my want to be more like my peers and submit to a norm so that I may better make friends. But I know that it makes me unhappy, and it only really drives me apart from them when I choose to walk away from seeing the world holistically and from an estranged way. Thank you for making this video. It means so much to me.
self-estrangement, very good method to look at yourself critically without the emotional and thought baggage that usually follow you. Like meditation. But with that in mind, falling into cynicism/nihilism is not something I aspire. Your comment about 'the Leap of faith' is what helps me personally keep the nihilism at bay. You are a stranger, but that stranger is also you, you have to listen to what it wants and be aware of its emotions/feelings. Just Aware of it, don't have to react to it, or act on it, just be aware of it. Even doing that much is of great help. Instead of riding the current of emotions/jumble of thoughts, or ignoring it all together and letting it simmer up. I wouldn't look down on those thoughts and emptions that pop up, be aware of them, and do look at them critically. self-estrangement is a great tool in that regard.
In my own journey in this mortal coil, I have realized that I can't know everything; neither about myself nor the world around me. But in realizing that, I have been able to understand what causes are worth fighting for and learning more about myself. And part of that education comes from self reflection, so while I don't use the term "self estrangement" (it just sounds to me, personally) I acknowledge what it represents.
Social distancing is very important to question your ideas and not simply see yourself as a group or person totally separate from this. But, being a person who analyzes and has a healthy self-criticism
I had two major thoughts watching this video. First, I think I've gone through a similar self-estrangement for the past few years where I've come to understand the world in a different way. I've really been struggling to find meaning in life because of this, and it's ultimately created a nihilism inside me (that I really don't enjoy). I feel that I've lost a my ability to connect to my human emotions as deeply, especially love. Not out of disgust of others, but more of an understanding of how similar all humans are. I don't hate anyone but I also don't truly love anyone. My other thought was about history; I've always viewed history as a cause and effect, but not in the same way you described in the video. More of in the scientific thought, of miniscule interactions between energy and matter, reactions upon reactions that eventually lead up to any point of history. I don't use this thinking to abstract myself from responsibility, but it is how I view the world; everything and everyone has a reason. It's strange, because I used to be so invested in little things in life but now I face an apathy that I have to fight back against. I don't like the way I am. I want to be filled with all kinds of emotions but they all just feel gray.
I relate a lot to this character yet not entirely. I constantly wonder why we do things and act like it's fine. We literally started civilization to get away from the natural world and animals and all that. But then we bring in outside plants and the elements we hide ourselves from and we bring in animals and spend thousands on them for the novelty of it.
Western societies based in Greek philosophy separated themselves from nature, but Eastern societies did not, nearly as much, and their philosophies include a connection to nature in society. The Greeks sought to separate and distinguish humanity and reason as objective and traceable, while disregarding human nature that was illogical and instinctive.
you mentioning about people who rot in their beds with their phones reminds me of how walking outside everyday has been a big change for me, especially for someone who tends to think about things. this is the best channel everrrrrrr
I wanna see more videos like this all over UA-cam. Thanks for providing genuinely insightful, thoughtful videos for my notifications, Olivia - makes me happy to see 🙂
You and that sisyphus 55 guy are seemingly masters at giving me philosophy based on exactly what im thinking about when I'm thinking about it and it's scary pls stop :(
detachment has been a coping mechanism to deal with certain traumas/experiences personally, but it becomes harder to treat when you’re not invested in yourself and you don’t know who you are. there’s a voice ever questioning. it’s incredibly easy to judge a stranger and easier still to be compassionate toward them than oneself (at least in my experience). is self-estrangement different? it has made it easy to self-reflect but harder to leave the vortex that is nihilism. maybe to be less self-involved aids self-estrangement? thought provoking as always!
im applying to study french at uni so i’ve had the privilege to read a lot of camus (mostly l’étranger, but also la peste, la chute…). i found it really fascinating how camus characterised meaursault. in the prologue, camus outlines how he wanted meursault to be something of a protagonist, but in my own reading, i found him to be quite amoral. i think i came to this because of how indifferent and self-estranged he is throughout the whole book. in my studies i focused more on the books historical importance, but this vid really gave me more understanding of the philosophical/psychological aspect of the story- thank you!
here i am, sitting and watching this, thinking about how much i like the editing style. it just does it for my brain. i can imagine the effort behind. good job honestly!
Self estrangement is something I have been unknowingly familiar with. i think it's constant questioning of yourself and trying to understand why we do what we do, what is the need to do it.
4:28 I feel like that's an American thing. Or at least people who dont travel/experience the world. I grew up doing things the way they made sense to me, and would be tood i was "wrong" but i couldn't be since i wasnt hurting anyone. Turns out if you go to other places, they have their own "right" and "wrong". The sooner people stop obeying some imaginary rule book, the sooner they're enlightened
I think that self estrangement would be great for dealing with insecurities. I believe that if we could once, or a couple of times see ourselves through the eyes of strangers, it would help very much about insecurities since we know how people really see us and realise that all our fears are mainly exaggerated.
Over time, I started being thankful for people contradicting me. I spend a lot of time reflecting on my opinions, and once I make sure they're pretty logical (at least to myself) I start defending them vehemently. People disagreeing as heavily as me are the best signal to rethink and correct any mistakes.
Estrangement to empathy is a path I would have never connected. It seems depression and clownery go hand in hand, so maybe the best way to serve the community is though the joy of enjoying a performance. I know I oscillate between callousness and hyper energetic sensitivity. Turning off my willingness to do good usually emerges when I realize how bad the state of the world is. Figuring out what I want to do is misaligned with the greater good leaves me feeling like I’m in a constant battle with myself. Great video, thanks for opening up the discussion. Maybe self estrangement is what will work best in this time.
2:32 Hey, trust me, it's not wholly useless. When I was 18ish, it was one specific video (I wish I remembered the channel name) by a woman talking about racism that flipped a switch in my mind and allowed me to feel hurt and offended about accusations of my views not being true/righteous without using that as fuel to double down, and ultimately lead to me unlearning some pretty harmful stuff. And that's just the most poignant example in my life- many times on youtube or reddit or tumblr I was given a great catalyst for becoming a much better person. I do think I would have eventually come around to learning those lessons, but people on the internet really helped push me forward in a timely way.
You are so good at expressing your opinion or knowledge in such a natural and impersonal way, It's very satisfying to watch your videos, I always learn so much.
I stumbled upon your channel many times in the past and I have to say that every time I come back I can see that you progress, both as a creator and a thinker. It is amazing to see how many people you inspire to do the same. Keep up the good work!
When freedom is misused, anxiety takes on a pathological character, but the cure is not the total elimination of anxiety. Instead, what is crucial is learning to be anxious in the right way, whoever has learned to be anxious in the right way has learned the ultimate. Brilliant.
I think a lot of self-estrangement lies within empathy and whether people are able to execute it fairly or not. Majority of people aren't empathetic with themselves so how could they see that type of emotional perspective of another? This is what clouds the "open-mindedness", along with this logical status-quo that our society has grown accustomed to. Also this concept of black & white thinking leaves no room for those thoughts that can make you question yourself & your intentions, they don't leave space for that grey area because we're made to believe that we have fit certain narratives that justify our existence. Great video, I love grabbing some tea, sitting down & watching your essays :)
Sure, we can justify our existence, but that would be a pointless personal pursuit. But the part that makes empathy so hard is that we are so insecure with it. Just when a child offers their attention without malice, we adults grow bitter about the world gaining control of our uncontrollable lives in the pursuit of validity. If we truly learn as adults that good people aren’t just there, they are made through their countless pursuits of why, and if the why isn’t helpful, at least being there to listen is as good as you can be as a human being. Sure, you may be troubled knowing that autonomy is what makes this world a great and painful one, be it friends, lovers, or something else.
As a programmer i must admit that seeing a VScode clip using javascript in this channel caused me a very strange moment of self reflection 11:28 . It was a silly feeling but a smiled emerge on my face, it was just a fresh air of seeing something i see everyday but on a totally unexpected and unfamiliar context. Thanks for that lol
Thank you for the video Olivia! Genuinely always refreshing to see how you connect ideas and modern things in ways I would not have thought of in such a digestible way! You are an inspiration to me and I wish you good luck with the applications!
I really liked your video :) im trying to finish my architecture school final year project and I think I've never experienced such distress in my life... being exposed to doubt and uncertainty for a long period of time due to the development of a design project is tiring. but i think that the whole process has change the way I see myself now. so many times I find myself in awe of little details out of nowhere, and I find random things also on myself and reflect on those without trying to hard. it's been a strange year but hopefully ill end it soon and have more time to reflect on what I find new in myself
Tbh i think that being neuro divergent has a lot to do with one's ability of self estrangement. I'd push it even to say it comes naturaly and is a source of many of our problems. The average joe has not this kind of reflections and this live hapily even if one could say they're "in the wrong". I am not only talking about being autistic or on the spectrum but in a broader way. In the anglo saxon world a lot of persons are put into a ADHD framing, but it fails to account for everything. Often time adhd is mixed with other characteristics and you fall into several categories. What i'm trying to descrive is often called in english "intellectual giftedness" but this term is way too focused on criterions such as logic and math, savantism and fails to account for the emotional parts and the circuitery of our brains. A lot of us are "gifted" yet failing in this world and often crippled with depression and anxiety. Spanish have the concept ACI which i find pretty nice. The french have HPI. I like HPI but it's sort of a grey zone terminology. Anyways, better be badly named than not named at all.
yknow i have watched your videos for years but just now sitting in a college level philosophy course have a realized that I literally have been learning philosophy through you for years ;-;
Love to see people cover Camu’s beliefs. It feels like everybody talks about Sartre and DeBeauvoir when it comes to influential french philosophers in the 19th century.
Love hearing you yap yap!! You're quite intelligent and promote others to critically think about their own opinions and thoughts which is so attractive, all the best on your future endeavors in grad school!
I studied in France in a school named Albert Camus, we talked about L'étranger book for most of my high school years and nobody told me Marsault was autistic, what the hell
I'm at the point in my philosophical journey where I don't think anything matters. At the core of my being I know that to be true, and now I do what I can to try and distract myself from that truth so I'm not forever nihilistic. I have to say I wish there was a bit more of a conclusion to this video. I think I understand that "meaning" is a construct of human life so to say that life has no meaning is a falacy. For those that find themselves in the black hole of meaninglessness, what's helped me is giving my brain new experiences. My darkest moments are usually when I've been stuck at home and barely getting out of the house.
Very very true. I think coming from someone in this place, many people who find themselves stuck in a nihilistic cycle - who now find themselves almost numb to everyday endeavours fail to realise that even though essentially 'nothing really matters' you can make it matter to you. Though there is no guarantee of certainty or 'meaning' I think a good approach is to find your own way in life and create your own meaning. Sounds cliche but once you get the hang of it, it really does change your life. That being said I also find myself back in that estrangement and numbeness every now and again but it's all apart of the journey I say
Its so cool seeing people talk about how self-estrangment comes naturally to them, it makes me feel a little less strange :) its an old saying but knowing (and actually trying to believe) that you know nothing helps me cultivate a stranger-like perspective on the world and myself - I feel as though every new day is the best day of my life. Although this mindset can definitely feel uncomfortable at times, especially when it seems like everyone around you is so certain in their beliefs. On the topic of doubt: what is so divergent about neurodivergency? It seems that as we have become more aware of these 'conditions', more people are identifying with them. I find myself thinking that these developmental conditions are more normal than people would like to admit... just some food for thought. thank you very much for this life affirming video, Oliva :)
Hey, i'm also very happy to see we're numerous to spontaneously share this thought. I didn't read it anywhere it just made sense while watching the video. Trust me it's not that normal. I found that i can only bond with neurodivergent persons. Like really bond. I have lots of friends most neurotypicall but the close persons are all somehow divergent. Because they have a similar way of thinking and seeing the world, it allows us to relate. It's an unconscious selection, i didn't even know what i was, i could feel i was different and while discusing i often couldn't relate to people's experiences. Untill i found out about being neurodivergent. Certainly as a new category it is under-reported, we could account for 10% but it still wouldn't constitute any normality. (I made up the number)
I loved this episode. It made me think about classic argument that if u gonna go on the nihilist path, u lost all meaning and maybe you should just unalive yourself, but have made a great point about that, if you are absurditn, and theoriticly nothings matters, u can alalize things more thoroughly cuz they are bo longer sacred for you whatsover. The example of woman wearing pants is great, cus now its the most natueal thing, but some time ago, people we feed up with it same as today, peopele are angry about man wearing dressys. It doesnt matter, for me, and shouldint for anyone. This self reflection is a powerfull tool. thank you for this episode.
I love your content so much! I have studied these for my BA Film (highly theoretical/philosophical sides of film not practical) and every time I watch your videos I feel transported back - it’s also nice cause it’s a refresh of the main things I learned but from someone else’s POV which adds a nice layer to them and expands the knowledge.
This video essay + the book The Stranger + the song 'A stranger I remain' for the full experience of wow, what even am I and why & why the hell is it so hot in here
Discovering this channel and reading the comments makes me feel that, I wasn't alone at this at all. It is not just me who notices this and gone through it without I realized. Lesson for me is that; It is important to be more open minded and accepting other's opinion and point of view, but at the same time be still with your understanding. It's okay to feel alienated, and not to be agreed at by everyone else. But also don't get lost with being superior and self-centered. Reflecting on yourself. See yourself with third point of view. Watching and analyze your self as a stranger. I'm not sure if I understand this Self-Estrangement think truly but this is the farthest I can stuff my brain with. I might not be able to sleep tonight because of this lmao. Love reading all of you guys comments fr. *feel free to point out anything from what I say here.
I thought that terfs did not believe that you could biological change genders. -people can do what they, as long as they don’t hurt others or themselves. And are happy, but My only question is that, If they are no gender binaries, why change your gender to fit into another, isn’t it proving that there is a gender binary and it is not just a construct? What is a women or a men, how do you know you are one? Please if someone could answer this it would be appreciated. If women and men can have the psychological traits what makes them?
As you said, radical feminists do not believe you can change your biological sex. Men and women aren't defined by their psychological traits (which can be shared between the sexes, there is no such thing as "blue/pink brain"). What makes a man a man and a woman a woman, is their biological sex, their material reality.
It's a construct because of the way society has changed their attitudes over the years, the responsibilities and status and treatment of all genders and between is constantly adapting to the mass beliefs of those around us. I don't have much experience with the trans community as I do not identify as such but to my understanding the idea of changing your gender identity in basic terms comes from how you feel? If a biological male relates to and feels very strongly as though they belong in this world as a woman, finds themselves uncomfortable in the idea of living as a man longing for that change since childhood and therefore decides to make that change, is it not safe to say they are transgender? I believe gender identity is almost a spectrum and that is why we have many feminine and masculine people but also a vast amount of people in between if that makes sense
I don’t usually watch internet philosophers but can’t resist anything Camus related. Well played… and the autistic thing is a scholarly assumption because autism wasn’t even considered a thing at the time (it existed of course but wasn’t clinically labelled yet…). Mersault’s action seem consistent with autism but in my opinion they were intended to be the ultimate personification of Nietzsche’s nihilism and/or Sarte’s existentialism. The book “The Myth of Sisyphus” was rumoured to have been a companion book to The Stranger and almost seems to be describing Mersault to a T (The reason it was printed later on is supposedly because of paper shortages in occupied Algeria during WW2).
They don't seem completely disconnected, but also definitely don't seem to be synonymous. I was actually thinking about how a particular instance of dissociation that I've heard of was essentially using _it_ as a tool to perform self-estrangement. Self-estrangement from what I can tell from the video seems to be a more active activity to question one's own circumstances and beliefs, where as dissociation is more general disconnection from one's self and/or the world. I'll add that I've seen simple daydreaming described as a very mild form of dissociation, so it's also not strictly a mental disorder. It can _become_ a mental disorder in extreme circumstances, especially when uncontrollable, but self-estrangement seems to be well below that threshold.
The weirdest thing about nihilism and "nothing in life matters" is for me always that nihilists try to make "meaning" objective. If i ask the question "is there meaning in life?", the answer seems to me very apparent, whis is that there is a lot of meaning. I do things because of many reasons. Me applying to college for philosophy a couple of years ago was a meaningful decision, because it meant that i would be learning about things that interest me and i would follow a path i decided to follow. The big mistake nihilists always make right at the beginning of their thought, is exactly that they ask for an objective meaning of life, which is, as far as i'm concerned, a logical impossibility. Meaning is something that will always be subjective. It is something a person ascribes to something, not something that is already inherent in things. Asking "What is the meaning of life?" is like asking "What is the meaning of a rock?". I feel like all of, but particularily modern nihilism is based upon a misunderstanding about the nature of meaning and subjectivity. And i don't get why people conflate the non-existence of objective meaning with the non-existence of meaning alltogether. You hear it all the time: People say "Oh but thats only subjective" as if the thing that is subjective isn't real. But this is so wrong. Feelings are subjective, happiness is subjective. This doesn't mean happiness doesn't exist. With "meaning" it is very similar. So: Life isn't a question, it doesn't need to have an answer. I guess i will never get why people need a reason for their life. Life doesn't have some sort of philosophical reason or meaning, but instead itself is the very soil which can grow real meaning. Don't get stuck up on searching for some objective meaning, i ask you: what would something like that even look like? Instead, search for subjective meaning in your own life and you will find that it really, you could say "objectively", exists.
objective meaning exists if you believe in a God of some sort that holds expectations on your behavior. If you want to take the atheist approach, I would say pain would be the next one. People do not act as if their suffering is meaningless. They take every attempt to avoid, conquer, or move past it. If I drive a hundred railroad spikes through a hundred people's hands, I will get a hundred responses that indicate to me that was a meaningful moment to them. Personally, I view people's actions as more indicative of their fundamental beliefs than the words that leave their mouth. The priest may say he believes in the love of God and his tenets but when he touches the choir boy, I doubt his faith and see nothing but a lying viper. I also don't think you can really choose what is and isn't meaningful to you through subjective means. You are either gripped by an experience, positive or negative, or you are not. That is as much a physiological response as an emotional one. In the case of awe for example your hair follicles constrict, and your pupils dilate, both of these are completely out of conscious control. We are drawn to what we are drawn to. We are bored by that which lacks meaning.
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why would i do that
I like your channel, i don't agree with everything all the time, but i'm not into the whole
"Oh noo! you said ONE thing i REAALLY DON'T AGREE WITH!, all the stuff i enjoyed so far, DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING ANYMORE, UNSUB, UNLIKE AND NOW I'M GONNA GO TO SUBREDDIT, THE DEEPEST PETRIDISH OF SCUMBAGGERY AND WRITE ABOUT THIS ...THIS BETRAYAL OF PARASOCIALISM OF HE HIGHEST DEGREE!!!, I WILL NEVER EVER EVER FORGIVE YOU FOR SAYING THAT COCONUTFLAVOR ICECREAM IS INFERIOR TO STRAWBERRY!!" GOODBYE, FOR.....EVER!!"
You, sister, really contain multitudes, you are well read, wise AND smart AND has good takes on stuff...those three are not as common as one would think, I'll spare you gentleman level compliments on how you look, you're beautiful and don't need some old mans misplaced attempt to give compliments as positive affirmation, so there...thats that.
I am Working class, under educated but interested so i sought out some stuff here and there, which makes me know a thing or two about patriarchy, capitalism, geopolitics etc....but, as some litterature ages well, my generation does not, they are like, blind to how conservatives maybe aren't recruiting them to their ideology, but they sure as hell take the whole
"kids theses days, they are NOT like when we were kids" (aside from that i have noticed, that alot of kids seem smarter than we were at their age"´)
and "the young are lazy, and without having being slave to a shitty system for as long as us, HOW DARE THEY CRITICIZE IT!" and ofc "yeah, they are young, we all know the "phazes" they go through, the need for change in the world and systemic change, it will pass" (last one makes me angry at certain people, i mean, just because you gave up and became your parent in the same fucking way you intelligently laid out how wrong it was, today you have just given in, given up the younger generations are not wrong, chomsky is still not wrong, and hes old as fuck when is his phase gonna end huh?"
Now, this didn't have much to do with your video, it's because i have nothing to add, i just learned.
But, that's the thing, i listened to someone younger than me, and learned a fuckton my anger and dissapointment does not lie with you, it's with the friends i have whom ate the "Bill Maher" shit and did it without even reacting to the fact that people with nazi connections, faschists
(whom both SHOULD NEVER HAVE A PLATFORM, don't care about freedom of speech in this case, why? Well, how well does FREE SPEECH fare under faschism, ask the teacher in Israel who was arrested for a post on facebook in which he mourned the losses on both sides. Like, freedoom of speech was the first to go when nazis won in Germany, that's why the AFA fought so hard and probably still fight against their right to even open their dirty nazi mouths)
and now he's bought into some of the anti trans shit as well, anti-vaxxer ofc because he is friend witht he shaved ape, dammit, he has a name, ah rogan who agrees with him, and i am willing to bet money on that Shapiro, Peterson, Elon Goodfornothingmusk and a few more faschist scum has their own keys to the studio and access to Mahers personal fucking Calendar so that they can book their own appearances.
Like, wtf, ok, my leftie friends, they stay true, but we could support the younger generations better (and i am going to, i have a plan, sorta, like sharing info and see if it's needed, but most of all, be there to support them and give people the twofinger salute when they claim it''s a phase, stick to the back ground, because its' not my time, it's yours, we just gotta show we got your back,
Makes sense, or have i as a 44 year old person who write messages as long as emails because that's what i'm used to...or was, when internet became popular. Never learned to use a faxmachine though...
Take care, i wish you the best, you are the best!
And i got your back, unless not needed, in such situation i shall simply excuse myself and bid you goodbye madame,
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This reminded me of intellectualism a bit. I'd love to know your thoughts on intellectualism. Do you think you could do a video on it?
Please make a video on Female Loneliness*
Learning to admit that admit to being wrong without feeling that I "lost" some sort of debate is one of the most freeing experiences in discourse, and learning to adjust your views based on new information is an important step toward personal growth.
Yes! Sometimes you win, sometimes you learn 😊
I agree! Being right means you merely reaffirm the knowledge you've already had. But being wrong means you have learned something and have gained something new. Life is so much more exciting when you actively try to prove yourself wrong in order to be right.
This might be really odd but I think I trained myself to enjoy loosing. Or rather, look at the positives of doing so? When I lose an argument, I see it as a way to have a new perspective on the world. When I lose in sports, I see it as a way that I can improve in the future. Honestly the only time losing doesn't feel good is when it's pure luck and you get pummeled by misfortune lol
It's sad that people need to differentiate the two. I think social media turned arguing into sports.
@@kylespevak6781 People have always treated arguing like a sport. Social media just gave it more spectators.
I met a person almost exactly like that protagonist from The Stranger. They seemed callous, and ended up offending more sensitive people, but upon getting to know the person, there was no malicious intent. Fascinating person, great for philosophical conversations.
That's just an average highly logical person
These are people I always make friends with because I know I can learn a lot from them and peoples opinion of them does not mean anything in reality.
How do you spot them
@@Notorious-AP I mean the dude stuck out like a sore thumb, wasn’t that much of a challenge. Just kind of keep an eye out, I guess.
@@SynthDecaywhat about the guy stuck out? Did he go against the crowd, was he vocal about things that may be controversial or just a matter of a fact?
People are strange when you're a stranger
Faces look ugly when you're alone
Women seem wicked when you're unwanted
Streets are uneven when you're down
When you're strange faces come out of the rain
When you're strange no one remembers your name
great track, hadn't heard it until today
From ?
kids out here today watching essays analyzing Kierkegaard and Nietzsche, but haven't heard The Doors, this is a crazy world we live in, I always thought a lot of these isolated types like incels would benefit immensely from a cultural education, your problems aren't that new
@@coscorrodrift you're welcome
@@littlesometin my bad for not experiencing a thing you like. Anyway time to listen to the song
in my experience with mental health treatment, I have to be self estranged constantly to get any help. I have to view myself in this third person lens, as if I'm in a constant patient/doctor analysis. there's a fine line to this too, if you know too much, you're seen as faking. if you say too little, you're not seen as worth helping. there are no rulebooks for this either, and every professional is different. it's resulted in me not knowing how to experience my life and emotions in the moment.
thisss mann holy shittt
damn true
True! I am no mental health professionalist Although I'm fond of philosophy and its theorizations as a result of that I developed a trait of interpreting situations/ people as indifferent to my emotional judgment EXCESSIVELY! Needless I get what you mean by the whole "3rd person lens".
Are you being treated or treating?
@@lucticide I'm being treated
I never once considered the fact that the main character of The Stranger was autistic, even though I've read The Stranger numerous times as well as having a BA in Psychology. Makes perfect sense in retrospect. It's wild how you can learn things that you should already know, and that seem obvious once you know them. 🤔
I always considered he was sociopathic to some degree, never considered autism.
maybe you're autistic
Useless degree, useless text, useless realization
@@gregtaylor9806erm… yep ur def totes from ohio brotato😭😭😭💀💀💀
@@gregtaylor9806Thank you for your contribution to society
good stuff here olivia. it's really important to talk about history in a way that does not encourage a tacit acceptance for some type of social "truth" that we must accept about inferiority and superiority of certain people, and always important to question where mainstream historical narratives have decided a story "ends"
Elliot!
omgg ur here
Elliot!
But there is inferiority tho
Thats why some men are ga-
Hell world
This video straight up directly covers so many things I have grappled with over a very difficult few years of life and growth from nihilism, fostering a more natural self identity as a neurodivergent person, and being a history major a tad obsessed with the role of culture and 'history' in forming oneself, that I will come across as a rambling maniac if I tried to write it all in a comment.. Basically this scratched an existential itch, so thank you!
We need more people like you on the internet
I couldn't agree more
There are quite a lot of them. You just need to find them.
@@nivellen1168tell me names please
@@MelancholyIrrigationwhat do you need? philosophy? or “leftist” stuff?
@@Somebodyherefornow both
I often have these moments (well recently not as much anymore) where I feel the absurdity of human society and this world in of itself and am just awestruck or pummeled by the weirdness of something seemingly normal. Im actually kind of fond of these moments, because they give me another angle on a certain topic, wich can be anything.
I see myself as pretty selfreflected and so I often... well pretty much everytime like to take a step back and judge my own actions, be it in art or just my day to day life in general. Im really hard on myself, but it helps me also be happy with what I do and be proud of who I am and who I became (well sometimes).
I like to envision how people in the distant future would view my habits and day to day life. House plants, indoor pets, stuffed animals and dolls. All of these relics that will be left behind, and will likely look foreign to those who find it.
You’re a genius
Same. Never knew other people had those stepback absurdity moments too!
Kierkegaard has another great quote that I think runs parallel to the idea of self-estrangement.
“When I was young, I forgot how to laugh in the cave of Trophonius; when I was older, I opened my eyes and beheld reality, at which I began to laugh, and since then, I have not stopped laughing. I saw that the meaning of life was to secure a livelihood, and that its goal was to attain a high position; that love’s rich dream was marriage with an heiress; that friendship’s blessing was help in financial difficulties; that wisdom was what the majority assumed it to be; that enthusiasm consisted in making a speech; that it was courage to risk the loss of ten dollars; that kindness consisted in saying, “You are welcome,” at the dinner table; that piety consisted in going to communion once a year. This I saw, and I laughed.”
Wow, that’s good
I dont understand this at all.
Also Kierkegaard:
I'm like a horse that's beaten with a whip each day to be harden in times of war, and God is holding that Whip
@@MrWeeRhys Kierkegaard was saying that he came of age and was told the commonly held societal beliefs of the time on what a good life is. He laughs because it is all nonsense. That's what I gathered.
Enter the Neurodiversity movement, ready to question all convention :D
I get an existential crisis from almost every video you make, but I still enjoy everything you say. You're a wonderful creator. Thank you @oliSUNvia
That's the entire point. You guys are turning yourselves into mental patients. You figure you won't owe anyone anything if you have an undefined identity. You personally might not be this cynical - you might not realize what's going on - but that's the scheme.
That's the point. You guys are turning yourselves into head cases. You figure you won't owe anyone anything if you have an undefined identity. You personally might not be this cynical - you might not realize what's going on - but that's the scheme.
I feel that haha. It really fucks my brain but in a good way though
@@JadLuvwhat you want is the problem (or can be, and is in my case). I don’t know what it is, and since nothing matters I have nothing on which I can base a choice. Mental prison I guess ;D
@@JadLuv Real Question: How do you know what you are doing is not harming others?
Also what about the tragedy of the commons? What you are doing on your own may not impact others in isolation but it may harm others if done along side many others.
Thrilled to see you discussing Mersault, as I very recently read The Stranger and A Happy Death. He’s unlike any character I’d ever read about or seen, glad to see you diving into it
I think immersing yourself in a different culture (like actually living there for a while) is a way of self-estrangement. Hence so many people say that living abroad has changed them so much.
Yep, in my experience living in New Zealand really threw me off guard as a Vietnamese urban. Figured out a lot of things.
@@tonkinthehanoian1843Such as?
I'm still not sure I understand the concept of self-strangement, but I think I went through something similar during the lockdown years. I always had very strong beliefs, moral compass, and overall opinions. During lockdown, I found myself alone in a bedroom, staring at a wall for days on end, and that somehow made me reflect incessantly about who I was, why I was like that, and why I thought about my own opinions in such high regard. I realized that I am no more than anyone else, no matter how much I see myself as more righteous, more logical, more emphatetic. All these notions were fogging my view of other people's perspectives, understandings, life-long beliefs and morals. I might think I am more "moral", more "progressive" and, to an extent, more just and fair. But where does that lead me? I isolated myself from the real world, protected and alienated inside a bubble, where me and my inner circle lived as if we were right, all of those outside were wrong. I slowly left that bubble, even if I might have entered another one unknowingly, but I feel better. I realized that if I put myself as so morally superior, because I'm a leftist, because I am progressive, I'm simply going to lose connections with a whole world of people. I realized, that in real life, work life, everyday life, if I continued down that path I would live in loneliness. I am free to debate, to consider, to try and convince, but I am not, or at least should not be free to belittle, humilate and diminish those I disagree with. Needless to say, when I made those self reflections, I lost most of the friends I made in that bubble, but I realized I was limiting myself, my experience and understanding of life, on the notion that I had to be morally superior - which in and of itself is not morally correct at all, in my opinion. I realized I was not going to be in my early 20s forever, and that to survive (and be happy) in society, I needed to open my mind, to learn how to convey my opinions without offending other's intelligence. I am much happier, even if I abide or acknowledge social norms that I do not care or agree with. It is a fair price for my own peace of mind.
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This resonates with me a lot. My views of the world have made me isolate myself more than I ever have, and it feels...hollow. like, empty. I wanna branch out more, and this echos what I tell myself all the time. I won't be young forever, and acting like a shadow will keep me from the light that the other people around me create
distracted socially, or with work, and or school. Literally distracted with talking, thinking, and writing (socially, or at work, and or school). But also distracted from yourself. When you are being social, at work or school, a lot of the time you are distracted from your self. Having to conform and act in ways that give you a sort of social acceptance. Like the people you hang around, maybe are very different from you, regardless you still will maybe do something you don't like for acceptance. During lockdown all that happened was that you actually had some time to think. Think for you self.
Thank you for sharing your experiences! This really made me question a lot. I've been thinking about similar things for a few months and it's hard for me to find a Balance between fighting for a more open and just World but also respecting - and not just respecting and accepting but also trying to understand - the opinions of others when they're different from my own but i'm working on finding the middle ground here.
This is amazing, thank you for sharing 🫶🏻
Self-estrangement is actually something natural to me, due to my neurodivergence. It makes me very good at self-reflection though, as if I could put my own mind in front of a mirror.
I guess that's also one of the reasons I'm so interested in postmodernism and works of fiction that use metalanguage. Seeing your very everyday reality as something "other" really helps you putting things in perspective.
The constant self reflection does go a long way for self estrangement because we try to understand and logic our feelings and decisions often as a third person
The fact you had the same exact thought as me 2h before it occured to me is crazy to me 😂
@@jacobhigginbotham4557 Yep. I prefer to not specify which one, though
@@Henry258654 I like that you didn't specify. We are legion.
I love the concept of self-estrangement, especially the questioning of "why do you think like xyz?" or "why does this hurt you so much?". Deconstructing the way you think is what opens new possibilities and thus is the key to enlightenment. At least, that's what I believe. To me, it's very helpful to keep my mental health in check whenever I feel I get stuck in thought spirals or straight up start obsessing over something trivial and let that influence my life too much.
I don't know how I am this early, but I really enjoyed reading the stranger a while ago, so I'm excited
this video made me realize something that i will definitely be incorporating into my thesis! im writing about gender, fractals, and multiplicity of the self. im drawing a lot from Maria Lugones and Mariana Ortega. i feel like this idea of self estrangement is very much tied to the experience of being in between world and world traveling. when you travel from one world to another and contradictions come up (like Lugones’ famous example of being playful in her Latina community and unplayful or serious in her professional world) this causes self estrangement. but the problem doesn’t fall on the self to be consistent, i think it’s more about recognizing how different worlds have different expectations placed on the self and our comfortability acting one way or another in said context. both “contradictory” selves are still authentic selves imo, because the self is multiplicitous. i’ll stop here cuz i can’t explain all my ideas in a youtube comment, but i love your videos!!!❤️
i love lugones’ work! good luck on your thesis
@@oliSUNvia
Hello... I'm new to your channel.
I hear you say your surname as "son" ...but it's spelled as "Sun" ?
حوار انك تفصل نفسك من ارائك دا فعلا مفيد مش بس عشان بيخليك تحكم على فكرك بطريقة موضوعية بدون تحيز بس كمان بيخليك تحس ان انت و رايك "مش واحد" يعني انا مش بنتمي لرايي و ممكن اؤمن بيه انهارده و افكر و اغيره بكره و اتعلم حاجات تانية و يتغير بعده عادي .... المشكلة ان الناس بيحددوا هويتهم بناءا على اللي بيصدقوه ف بالتالي لما يطلع اللي بيصدقوه دا غلط بيتزلزل كيانهم كله ... لكن لو احنا بناخد خطوة ورا و نفكر ان فعلا مفيش اي حاجه اكيده غير الموت و باقي الامور قابلة لشك حياتنا هتبقى اسهل بكتير و عقلنا هيبقى منفتح لتعلم حاجات اكتر
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i actually JUST read the stranger and while i shouldn't be surprised i'm hearing about it on your channel, it's always feels like such a weird coincidence to learn something then start seeing it somewhere immediately. It was the same with harlow's monkey experiments and other concepts, saw them discussed in videos shortly after learning about them.
I had to read Albert camu’s book for a school essay and it really made me feel genuine emptiness and also sort of made me conscious on how at times when I felt « lost » I just didn’t know who I was in certain moments because I was trying too hard to associate myself to a too specific identity
One of my biggest steps in the process of achieving self estrangement was working with my humility. I don't know how many others can relate, as I've never yet had the conversation, but so many times in my lonesome I find myself trying to justify a belief of mine in some way or another. I think that, subconsciously, it made me feel secure. It grounded me on stone instead of gravel. I can readily understand why people would want that, even if it can be largely detrimental against the flow of progress, and I think when discussing with people absorbed in that ideology it'd be best to equip yourself with empathy, this understanding,when then you choose to enter a dialouge over the matger. As for myself, as of recent, I've been trying to call myself out when that ideology happens itself upon me, sort of set up this internal alarm bell. I've also been getting myself involved in alternative discourse in areas where I may not have the deepest knowledge, because I find that too extensive of research will just result in me seeking continued justification once again and only further close my ears towards the actual dialouge, though perhaps there is just a method or a balance I still need to fine.
You’re alway somehow on time to make a video at the exact time I am going through/ have thought about that exact topic lol. Thank you for the great content, one of my favorite channels!
same for me
When I got the notification I really thought she was gonna talk abt Palestine💀
I've noticed this too. She's plugged in to the zeitgeist. She's relevant.
I’m currently in high school and I love The Stranger. There we certainly things and lines that I didn’t understand fully, but I knew that I loved it and that the book was a comfort to me. I realize now that it is because I am like him and have always felt like an estranged observer because of my need to question what people say and do and to try and take a holistic perspective of it. Recently, I haven’t seen this side of myself as often because of the year I have experienced and my want to be more like my peers and submit to a norm so that I may better make friends. But I know that it makes me unhappy, and it only really drives me apart from them when I choose to walk away from seeing the world holistically and from an estranged way. Thank you for making this video. It means so much to me.
self-estrangement, very good method to look at yourself critically without the emotional and thought baggage that usually follow you. Like meditation. But with that in mind, falling into cynicism/nihilism is not something I aspire. Your comment about 'the Leap of faith' is what helps me personally keep the nihilism at bay. You are a stranger, but that stranger is also you, you have to listen to what it wants and be aware of its emotions/feelings. Just Aware of it, don't have to react to it, or act on it, just be aware of it. Even doing that much is of great help. Instead of riding the current of emotions/jumble of thoughts, or ignoring it all together and letting it simmer up. I wouldn't look down on those thoughts and emptions that pop up, be aware of them, and do look at them critically. self-estrangement is a great tool in that regard.
In my own journey in this mortal coil, I have realized that I can't know everything; neither about myself nor the world around me. But in realizing that, I have been able to understand what causes are worth fighting for and learning more about myself. And part of that education comes from self reflection, so while I don't use the term "self estrangement" (it just sounds to me, personally) I acknowledge what it represents.
Social distancing is very important to question your ideas and not simply see yourself as a group or person totally separate from this. But, being a person who analyzes and has a healthy self-criticism
I had two major thoughts watching this video. First, I think I've gone through a similar self-estrangement for the past few years where I've come to understand the world in a different way. I've really been struggling to find meaning in life because of this, and it's ultimately created a nihilism inside me (that I really don't enjoy). I feel that I've lost a my ability to connect to my human emotions as deeply, especially love. Not out of disgust of others, but more of an understanding of how similar all humans are. I don't hate anyone but I also don't truly love anyone.
My other thought was about history; I've always viewed history as a cause and effect, but not in the same way you described in the video. More of in the scientific thought, of miniscule interactions between energy and matter, reactions upon reactions that eventually lead up to any point of history. I don't use this thinking to abstract myself from responsibility, but it is how I view the world; everything and everyone has a reason.
It's strange, because I used to be so invested in little things in life but now I face an apathy that I have to fight back against. I don't like the way I am. I want to be filled with all kinds of emotions but they all just feel gray.
I feel and think in almost the exact way you just described.
i really relate. sometimes i think i am just depressed. but at least we are self-aware of it, and that gives hope to one day defeat.
I relate a lot to this character yet not entirely. I constantly wonder why we do things and act like it's fine. We literally started civilization to get away from the natural world and animals and all that. But then we bring in outside plants and the elements we hide ourselves from and we bring in animals and spend thousands on them for the novelty of it.
Western societies based in Greek philosophy separated themselves from nature, but Eastern societies did not, nearly as much, and their philosophies include a connection to nature in society. The Greeks sought to separate and distinguish humanity and reason as objective and traceable, while disregarding human nature that was illogical and instinctive.
you mentioning about people who rot in their beds with their phones reminds me of how walking outside everyday has been a big change for me, especially for someone who tends to think about things. this is the best channel everrrrrrr
I wanna see more videos like this all over UA-cam. Thanks for providing genuinely insightful, thoughtful videos for my notifications, Olivia - makes me happy to see 🙂
You and that sisyphus 55 guy are seemingly masters at giving me philosophy based on exactly what im thinking about when I'm thinking about it and it's scary pls stop :(
Sisyphus 555 would be a kick ass Daft Punk project
detachment has been a coping mechanism to deal with certain traumas/experiences personally, but it becomes harder to treat when you’re not invested in yourself and you don’t know who you are. there’s a voice ever questioning. it’s incredibly easy to judge a stranger and easier still to be compassionate toward them than oneself (at least in my experience). is self-estrangement different? it has made it easy to self-reflect but harder to leave the vortex that is nihilism. maybe to be less self-involved aids self-estrangement? thought provoking as always!
Your videos are consistently fantastic, and your support for the Palestinian people has earned you so much more respect in my eyes
im applying to study french at uni so i’ve had the privilege to read a lot of camus (mostly l’étranger, but also la peste, la chute…). i found it really fascinating how camus characterised meaursault. in the prologue, camus outlines how he wanted meursault to be something of a protagonist, but in my own reading, i found him to be quite amoral. i think i came to this because of how indifferent and self-estranged he is throughout the whole book.
in my studies i focused more on the books historical importance, but this vid really gave me more understanding of the philosophical/psychological aspect of the story- thank you!
here i am, sitting and watching this, thinking about how much i like the editing style. it just does it for my brain. i can imagine the effort behind. good job honestly!
Self estrangement is something I have been unknowingly familiar with. i think it's constant questioning of yourself and trying to understand why we do what we do, what is the need to do it.
4:28 I feel like that's an American thing. Or at least people who dont travel/experience the world. I grew up doing things the way they made sense to me, and would be tood i was "wrong" but i couldn't be since i wasnt hurting anyone. Turns out if you go to other places, they have their own "right" and "wrong". The sooner people stop obeying some imaginary rule book, the sooner they're enlightened
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And thank YOU for making digesting the internet more objective and less sensationalized !
dear god youtube, PLEASE put more of these videos in my goddamn feed !!! you caught me with 1 !!! make it 2 !!!
I just found your channel and I am so glad I did. Camus is one of my favorite philosophical writers and you summed up his ideas so nicely. Great video
Wow, im realy impressed about your way of thinking. I felt myself like talking with person who really understand my way of thinking.
self estrangement can also hurt. especially when it comes at times you don't expect or comes with nihilism
I think that self estrangement would be great for dealing with insecurities. I believe that if we could once, or a couple of times see ourselves through the eyes of strangers, it would help very much about insecurities since we know how people really see us and realise that all our fears are mainly exaggerated.
I love these deeply philosophical videos so much. You do a great job at presenting this!
Over time, I started being thankful for people contradicting me. I spend a lot of time reflecting on my opinions, and once I make sure they're pretty logical (at least to myself) I start defending them vehemently. People disagreeing as heavily as me are the best signal to rethink and correct any mistakes.
Have to say Oli, as a autistic person this hits awfully hard, keep up the great work!! 👍👍
Estrangement to empathy is a path I would have never connected. It seems depression and clownery go hand in hand, so maybe the best way to serve the community is though the joy of enjoying a performance. I know I oscillate between callousness and hyper energetic sensitivity. Turning off my willingness to do good usually emerges when I realize how bad the state of the world is. Figuring out what I want to do is misaligned with the greater good leaves me feeling like I’m in a constant battle with myself. Great video, thanks for opening up the discussion. Maybe self estrangement is what will work best in this time.
Does anyone else have those random moments when you realise that your are in fact the person in your body?
2:32 Hey, trust me, it's not wholly useless. When I was 18ish, it was one specific video (I wish I remembered the channel name) by a woman talking about racism that flipped a switch in my mind and allowed me to feel hurt and offended about accusations of my views not being true/righteous without using that as fuel to double down, and ultimately lead to me unlearning some pretty harmful stuff. And that's just the most poignant example in my life- many times on youtube or reddit or tumblr I was given a great catalyst for becoming a much better person.
I do think I would have eventually come around to learning those lessons, but people on the internet really helped push me forward in a timely way.
You are so good at expressing your opinion or knowledge in such a natural and impersonal way, It's very satisfying to watch your videos, I always learn so much.
I stumbled upon your channel many times in the past and I have to say that every time I come back I can see that you progress, both as a creator and a thinker. It is amazing to see how many people you inspire to do the same. Keep up the good work!
"You don't need to feel like you have the definitively correct stance on everything" tell that to Twitter 💀
how are you so good with explaining, it feels like you're hitting right through the core of my brain
My existential crisis therapist 💗
I’m really glad you brought up Levinas; I’ve studied and taught his work and it feels like he’s overlooked a lot but is highly relevant at the moment.
Great video! I read "The stranger" recently but had no idea about the autism connection
When freedom is misused, anxiety takes on a pathological character, but the cure is not the total elimination of anxiety. Instead, what is crucial is learning to be anxious in the right way, whoever has learned to be anxious in the right way has learned the ultimate. Brilliant.
I think a lot of self-estrangement lies within empathy and whether people are able to execute it fairly or not. Majority of people aren't empathetic with themselves so how could they see that type of emotional perspective of another? This is what clouds the "open-mindedness", along with this logical status-quo that our society has grown accustomed to. Also this concept of black & white thinking leaves no room for those thoughts that can make you question yourself & your intentions, they don't leave space for that grey area because we're made to believe that we have fit certain narratives that justify our existence. Great video, I love grabbing some tea, sitting down & watching your essays :)
Sure, we can justify our existence, but that would be a pointless personal pursuit. But the part that makes empathy so hard is that we are so insecure with it. Just when a child offers their attention without malice, we adults grow bitter about the world gaining control of our uncontrollable lives in the pursuit of validity. If we truly learn as adults that good people aren’t just there, they are made through their countless pursuits of why, and if the why isn’t helpful, at least being there to listen is as good as you can be as a human being. Sure, you may be troubled knowing that autonomy is what makes this world a great and painful one, be it friends, lovers, or something else.
I feel like a stranger after coming out of rehab for10 months, is so rare seen the world after just been under 4 walls
For me, I just imagine that somebody else was doing it, and how I would judge them. Although, I often find i judge myself the most harshly.
As a programmer i must admit that seeing a VScode clip using javascript in this channel caused me a very strange moment of self reflection 11:28 . It was a silly feeling but a smiled emerge on my face, it was just a fresh air of seeing something i see everyday but on a totally unexpected and unfamiliar context.
Thanks for that lol
Thank you for the video Olivia! Genuinely always refreshing to see how you connect ideas and modern things in ways I would not have thought of in such a digestible way! You are an inspiration to me and I wish you good luck with the applications!
I really liked your video :) im trying to finish my architecture school final year project and I think I've never experienced such distress in my life... being exposed to doubt and uncertainty for a long period of time due to the development of a design project is tiring. but i think that the whole process has change the way I see myself now. so many times I find myself in awe of little details out of nowhere, and I find random things also on myself and reflect on those without trying to hard. it's been a strange year but hopefully ill end it soon and have more time to reflect on what I find new in myself
Tbh i think that being neuro divergent has a lot to do with one's ability of self estrangement. I'd push it even to say it comes naturaly and is a source of many of our problems.
The average joe has not this kind of reflections and this live hapily even if one could say they're "in the wrong".
I am not only talking about being autistic or on the spectrum but in a broader way. In the anglo saxon world a lot of persons are put into a ADHD framing, but it fails to account for everything. Often time adhd is mixed with other characteristics and you fall into several categories.
What i'm trying to descrive is often called in english "intellectual giftedness" but this term is way too focused on criterions such as logic and math, savantism and fails to account for the emotional parts and the circuitery of our brains. A lot of us are "gifted" yet failing in this world and often crippled with depression and anxiety.
Spanish have the concept ACI which i find pretty nice. The french have HPI. I like HPI but it's sort of a grey zone terminology.
Anyways, better be badly named than not named at all.
yknow i have watched your videos for years but just now sitting in a college level philosophy course have a realized that I literally have been learning philosophy through you for years ;-;
Every single time, I click on her video thinking, oh I’ll watch five minutes and finish later… and then I watch it all in one sitting 😂
Love to see people cover Camu’s beliefs. It feels like everybody talks about Sartre and DeBeauvoir when it comes to influential french philosophers in the 19th century.
The Olivia and Camus collaboration I’ve been waiting for
Love hearing you yap yap!! You're quite intelligent and promote others to critically think about their own opinions and thoughts which is so attractive, all the best on your future endeavors in grad school!
My high ass watched this whole vid thinking Beabadoobee made a vlog channel 😭 only to realize you aren’t her 🤣
I'm so glad you talk about Camus in your channel! I was obsessed with him years ago
I studied in France in a school named Albert Camus, we talked about L'étranger book for most of my high school years and nobody told me Marsault was autistic, what the hell
I think more people would be strangers if they were honest.
I'm at the point in my philosophical journey where I don't think anything matters. At the core of my being I know that to be true, and now I do what I can to try and distract myself from that truth so I'm not forever nihilistic.
I have to say I wish there was a bit more of a conclusion to this video. I think I understand that "meaning" is a construct of human life so to say that life has no meaning is a falacy.
For those that find themselves in the black hole of meaninglessness, what's helped me is giving my brain new experiences. My darkest moments are usually when I've been stuck at home and barely getting out of the house.
Very very true. I think coming from someone in this place, many people who find themselves stuck in a nihilistic cycle - who now find themselves almost numb to everyday endeavours fail to realise that even though essentially 'nothing really matters' you can make it matter to you. Though there is no guarantee of certainty or 'meaning' I think a good approach is to find your own way in life and create your own meaning. Sounds cliche but once you get the hang of it, it really does change your life. That being said I also find myself back in that estrangement and numbeness every now and again but it's all apart of the journey I say
@@naimadematos9846 well said. It IS all part of the journey. And life is about the journey :)
You just have to sit on your hand until it becomes numb and then.....oh wait I thought the title was how to give yourself the stranger 😅
Goddamn olivia, I literally just finished reading The Stranger yesterday and now you post this??? Vibes
I hate philosophy but you make learning it so much better
cause its barely philosophy
The way you said fuck yea, it's so magical
3:12
Its so cool seeing people talk about how self-estrangment comes naturally to them, it makes me feel a little less strange :)
its an old saying but knowing (and actually trying to believe) that you know nothing helps me cultivate a stranger-like perspective on the world and myself - I feel as though every new day is the best day of my life. Although this mindset can definitely feel uncomfortable at times, especially when it seems like everyone around you is so certain in their beliefs.
On the topic of doubt: what is so divergent about neurodivergency? It seems that as we have become more aware of these 'conditions', more people are identifying with them. I find myself thinking that these developmental conditions are more normal than people would like to admit...
just some food for thought. thank you very much for this life affirming video, Oliva :)
Hey, i'm also very happy to see we're numerous to spontaneously share this thought. I didn't read it anywhere it just made sense while watching the video.
Trust me it's not that normal. I found that i can only bond with neurodivergent persons. Like really bond. I have lots of friends most neurotypicall but the close persons are all somehow divergent. Because they have a similar way of thinking and seeing the world, it allows us to relate. It's an unconscious selection, i didn't even know what i was, i could feel i was different and while discusing i often couldn't relate to people's experiences. Untill i found out about being neurodivergent. Certainly as a new category it is under-reported, we could account for 10% but it still wouldn't constitute any normality. (I made up the number)
I loved this episode. It made me think about classic argument that if u gonna go on the nihilist path, u lost all meaning and maybe you should just unalive yourself, but have made a great point about that, if you are absurditn, and theoriticly nothings matters, u can alalize things more thoroughly cuz they are bo longer sacred for you whatsover. The example of woman wearing pants is great, cus now its the most natueal thing, but some time ago, people we feed up with it same as today, peopele are angry about man wearing dressys. It doesnt matter, for me, and shouldint for anyone. This self reflection is a powerfull tool. thank you for this episode.
I see Camus, I watch.
We must imagine you happy.
Real
I love your content so much! I have studied these for my BA Film (highly theoretical/philosophical sides of film not practical) and every time I watch your videos I feel transported back - it’s also nice cause it’s a refresh of the main things I learned but from someone else’s POV which adds a nice layer to them and expands the knowledge.
I was reading about this today as “depersonalization”. Thanks for elucidating us on this topic!
psychedelic induced depersonalization is the closest thing I have ever come to experiencing hell. It is not for the faint of heart.
This video essay + the book The Stranger + the song 'A stranger I remain' for the full experience of wow, what even am I and why & why the hell is it so hot in here
Discovering this channel and reading the comments makes me feel that, I wasn't alone at this at all.
It is not just me who notices this and gone through it without I realized. Lesson for me is that;
It is important to be more open minded and accepting other's opinion and point of view, but at the same time be still with your understanding. It's okay to feel alienated, and not to be agreed at by everyone else. But also don't get lost with being superior and self-centered. Reflecting on yourself. See yourself with third point of view. Watching and analyze your self as a stranger. I'm not sure if I understand this Self-Estrangement think truly but this is the farthest I can stuff my brain with. I might not be able to sleep tonight because of this lmao. Love reading all of you guys comments fr.
*feel free to point out anything from what I say here.
I thought that terfs did not believe that you could biological change genders.
-people can do what they, as long as they don’t hurt others or themselves. And are happy, but My only question is that, If they are no gender binaries, why change your gender to fit into another, isn’t it proving that there is a gender binary and it is not just a construct? What is a women or a men, how do you know you are one? Please if someone could answer this it would be appreciated. If women and men can have the psychological traits what makes them?
As you said, radical feminists do not believe you can change your biological sex. Men and women aren't defined by their psychological traits (which can be shared between the sexes, there is no such thing as "blue/pink brain"). What makes a man a man and a woman a woman, is their biological sex, their material reality.
It's a construct because of the way society has changed their attitudes over the years, the responsibilities and status and treatment of all genders and between is constantly adapting to the mass beliefs of those around us. I don't have much experience with the trans community as I do not identify as such but to my understanding the idea of changing your gender identity in basic terms comes from how you feel? If a biological male relates to and feels very strongly as though they belong in this world as a woman, finds themselves uncomfortable in the idea of living as a man longing for that change since childhood and therefore decides to make that change, is it not safe to say they are transgender? I believe gender identity is almost a spectrum and that is why we have many feminine and masculine people but also a vast amount of people in between if that makes sense
these are the questions i ignore... makes socializing so much harder, ignorance is bliss and in this circumstance the key to normal behavior
I don’t usually watch internet philosophers but can’t resist anything Camus related. Well played… and the autistic thing is a scholarly assumption because autism wasn’t even considered a thing at the time (it existed of course but wasn’t clinically labelled yet…).
Mersault’s action seem consistent with autism but in my opinion they were intended to be the ultimate personification of Nietzsche’s nihilism and/or Sarte’s existentialism. The book “The Myth of Sisyphus” was rumoured to have been a companion book to The Stranger and almost seems to be describing Mersault to a T (The reason it was printed later on is supposedly because of paper shortages in occupied Algeria during WW2).
the fact that i watched the entire acknowledgments at the end for no reason
I’m sceptical to the concept of self-estrangement… to me it sounds too similar to disassociation and is liable to become a glorified trauma response.
They don't seem completely disconnected, but also definitely don't seem to be synonymous. I was actually thinking about how a particular instance of dissociation that I've heard of was essentially using _it_ as a tool to perform self-estrangement.
Self-estrangement from what I can tell from the video seems to be a more active activity to question one's own circumstances and beliefs, where as dissociation is more general disconnection from one's self and/or the world. I'll add that I've seen simple daydreaming described as a very mild form of dissociation, so it's also not strictly a mental disorder. It can _become_ a mental disorder in extreme circumstances, especially when uncontrollable, but self-estrangement seems to be well below that threshold.
Love the “the past is as open as the future” phrase, so true
at 00:11 is that daxflame on the left? lol
These are always amazing. Never would’ve thought I’d be so happy my school made me read the stranger so I could follow along better
0:53 Free Palestine!!!
Ok bro I will
Your videos are amazing olivia! Its so informitive yet so relevent snd modern. I hope you have a great day and thank you :)
your vid ideas are genius
The weirdest thing about nihilism and "nothing in life matters" is for me always that nihilists try to make "meaning" objective. If i ask the question "is there meaning in life?", the answer seems to me very apparent, whis is that there is a lot of meaning. I do things because of many reasons. Me applying to college for philosophy a couple of years ago was a meaningful decision, because it meant that i would be learning about things that interest me and i would follow a path i decided to follow.
The big mistake nihilists always make right at the beginning of their thought, is exactly that they ask for an objective meaning of life, which is, as far as i'm concerned, a logical impossibility. Meaning is something that will always be subjective. It is something a person ascribes to something, not something that is already inherent in things. Asking "What is the meaning of life?" is like asking "What is the meaning of a rock?".
I feel like all of, but particularily modern nihilism is based upon a misunderstanding about the nature of meaning and subjectivity. And i don't get why people conflate the non-existence of objective meaning with the non-existence of meaning alltogether. You hear it all the time: People say "Oh but thats only subjective" as if the thing that is subjective isn't real. But this is so wrong. Feelings are subjective, happiness is subjective. This doesn't mean happiness doesn't exist. With "meaning" it is very similar. So: Life isn't a question, it doesn't need to have an answer. I guess i will never get why people need a reason for their life. Life doesn't have some sort of philosophical reason or meaning, but instead itself is the very soil which can grow real meaning. Don't get stuck up on searching for some objective meaning, i ask you: what would something like that even look like? Instead, search for subjective meaning in your own life and you will find that it really, you could say "objectively", exists.
objective meaning exists if you believe in a God of some sort that holds expectations on your behavior. If you want to take the atheist approach, I would say pain would be the next one. People do not act as if their suffering is meaningless. They take every attempt to avoid, conquer, or move past it. If I drive a hundred railroad spikes through a hundred people's hands, I will get a hundred responses that indicate to me that was a meaningful moment to them. Personally, I view people's actions as more indicative of their fundamental beliefs than the words that leave their mouth. The priest may say he believes in the love of God and his tenets but when he touches the choir boy, I doubt his faith and see nothing but a lying viper. I also don't think you can really choose what is and isn't meaningful to you through subjective means. You are either gripped by an experience, positive or negative, or you are not. That is as much a physiological response as an emotional one. In the case of awe for example your hair follicles constrict, and your pupils dilate, both of these are completely out of conscious control. We are drawn to what we are drawn to. We are bored by that which lacks meaning.
I only watch a few videos of you, but you're so amazing, there is something that makes me want to listen, like the narrative
this vid was kinda vsauce like
Olivia is like our social and modern vSauce