Watch This Before Buying an Expensive Table Saw Blade
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- Can you tell the difference when using a cheap table saw blade versus an expensive one? In this video I will compare an expensive Forrest Woodworker II table saw blade to an cheap Diablo blade. Which one will win?
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0:00 Intro
1:34 Differences in Diablo vs Forrest
3:32 Cutting with a Diablo Table Saw Blade
6:12 Cutting with a Forrest Woodworker II
8:36 Forrest Blade Worth It?
9:22 Which Blade Do I Use?
10:23 Which Table Saw Blade Should You Use
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Yeah, there was no bias in this comparison none at all
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i was about to ask lol thanks
@@jasonsahadeo5740 Bought my first forrest blade June3, 1998 its been kept clean and sharpened I think twice and still cuts great. Thin kerf blades can bend under load and over heat, it's a throw away blade good for rough work. I use them for working on my house, bought 2 in the past year. Just saying for fine work and longevity Forrest is the way to go.
If it's made in America, it's trash.
The burning and resistance you felt with the Forrest blade was in part because your blade was too low. The rake etc of the Forrest is designed for more height. You can read more about burning on the instruction sheet that came with the blade. The rubber coating on the blade teeth is to prevent nicking or cracking the carbide teeth. I did a comparison and the Forrest consistantly gave me a sanded smooth edge. The Diablo was ok, but just not as smooth. Thanks for the vid.
I thought I was splurging when I bought a Diablo blade LOL
lol
Lol right,
Agreed lol
Right there with you
Totally agree!
And here I thought the Diablo blades were expensive LOL
lol
I thought the same thing! I’ve had two Diablo reciprocating saw blades and they’ve lasted me a lot longer than any other blade I’ve owned.
If you look on Amazon for Diablo blades, they are the highest ranked blades as of 10-14 days ago, or maybe I just set a price range? I've seen several videos saying a higher tooth blade will reduce edge tear out, along with a tighter cover around the blade which gives edge support to your wood as close to the blade as possible, which also helps prevent tear out.
Diablo blades can be fragile depending on what they hit. But honestly, it's really stupid to resharpen Forrest at retail prices. Unless you run a cabinet shop with a regular discounted sharpening services that picks up and delivers, there is no way that a Diablo is more costly.
For framing and smaller project, I just pop on a 7.25 Diablo framing blade on a 7485 saw. Who cares if they go bad if they only cost 5 bucks and cuts all day long. ALOT less dust too. You can often find their 40 tooth finishing blade in 7.25" for very good prices on local ads. Some people sell them cheap by the bulk.
@@MintStiles it cost 20 bucks to resharpen the blade. A Diablo 10” blade range from 35-60 bucks.as well you can resharpen a Forrest blade 50 times. I have saved more in the last 3 years now running a Forrest blade then buying several Diablo blades. I burned through several Diablo blades cutting hardwood as that’s all I mainly cut. (Like 2 a week) vs sharpening my Forrest blade 3 times in the last 3 years. It’s made it’s money and more. Diablo is fine for Light hardwood but not 3” thick stuff I cut daily.
The differences in the blades observed are probably more due to the fact that one is a 60 tooth and the other is a 40 tooth. Also, the Diablo is a thin kerf, while the Forrest is a full kerf blade which may make an even bigger difference. The Delta saw that you have will have an easier time driving the thin kerf than the full kerf. Commercial table saws tend to the 3hp or 5hp so the kerf difference won't matter in those cases as much.
Possibly so. Thanks
The WWII is also a thin kerf blade.
@@dimensionswoodworks This one is standard Kerf. You can see it at the beginning of the video when he shows the packaging. The thin kerf is optional.
Two very different blades. Dudester it the nail on the head. When I had a smaller HP table saw, thin kerf was the only way to go (like Diablo used here). A standard kerf blade (like WWII used here) would bog down and leave more burn marks. Add to it the additional number of teeth on one blade versus the other and the experiment has too many different variables to come to a reasonable conclusion. I’d love to see all variables the same, Diablo vs Forrest!
Love your videos 731 Woodworks.
Also the higher end blades are pretty cheap to have sharpened and you can get as many as 10 sharpenings on one blade so the overall savings over time is pretty substantial. But I totally use diablo or Freud myself. Both very good blades for the price
For this to be a true test both blades would have to be of the same tooth count. Also, you should have had some sort hold down mechanism in play to keep the boards from raising off the table. I believe the burning took place near the ends because during the transition of pushing by hand then going to the push stick the blade was allowed to dwell there and and possibly burnish the board and the slight pinch it caused. I always leave the thin strips to the outside of the blade for better flow speed throughout the cut. Just my two cents.
But he mentioned the difference in teeth many times😁
@@gregboggs2708 That still doesn't compensate for the difference in tooth count. It's still comparing two entirely different blades that are designed to do two entirely different things and give you two entirely different cuts, and then trying to determine which gives a better cut. That's like comparing a V8 to a 4 cylinder, and then claiming the 4 cylinder is better because it gets better gas mileage.
I agree 💯 with you, how do you test two completely different blades against each other??!? The burning is operator error, to avoid burning, on ANY blade you've got to know how to read the grain and which direction to cut, which face up/down etc.
I bought a Forrest Woodworker II when I 1st began doing work and I was building my shop solely on the fancy pants ads in mags, silly, I know, but here, 28 years later!!!!! and I still love it every time I use it!!!! I keep it for woods ONLY!!! For all other materials I use the crappier diablo and Freud blades.
It is difficult to controll "crap construction grade" lumber when it is not flat or straight to begin with.
Terrible comparison
Why not do it fair?
Been using the Forrest WWII for twenty years. A great investment. Very versatile. I switch to a Diablo or even cheaper blade on lumber than might have nails or dirt and rocks. If you want to be amazed try using a 7 1/4" or 8" thin kerf blade. Feels like you doubled the size of the motor.
thank you
I feel the tooth count difference will affect the outcome and I'm personally not to thrilled with the experiment due to this simple oversight. I'd like to see it done again with same tooth count
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Not just tooth count, but Rake also. Both factors make a significant difference in cut quality and longevity.
Stop trying to justify yourself for spending 150 on a blade :-)
@@4dchessplayer516 That Forrest blade is very nice and cheaper in the long run after all the sharpenings you get. Lot of carpenters will tell you to spend your money on high quality blades and bits, ( router or drill bits).
@@nico8587d this is what I was thinking. And when cutting plywood’s their blades are best
I just want to say thank you for the videos you make and the information you share. I’m just getting into woodworking and am really excited to develop some new skills. You’re giving me the inspiration and courage to try! I wish I had a table saw, but thankfully I have some good friends who offered theirs for me to try
Start building and the tools will come with time
I have been running a small wood working business for several years. I struggled with this question for a while and here is my opinion. The diablo blades are great, i like them a lot. The blade and carbide teeth tend to be thinner....so they are not hogging as much material as the thicker more expensive blades. I actually felt the diablo blades could cut thicker stock better as long as it was a fairly sharp blade. Where the thicker more expensive blades excel is the precision cuts. If you make boxes for example and you need perfect 45 degree cuts....measured to the thousands of an inch. The diablo blades either flex during the cut or just arent able to cut consistent enough to give you that type of precision. If you had a professional grade saw.....thicker (full kerf) blade....probably work better.
makes sense. Thank you
Thanks for that Matt! Glad to hear my Diablos can still hang with the spendy blades!
I was actually surprised
I really appreciate that you made this video! I just asked you about saw blades a week or so ago and this is exactly what I was hoping for. Thanks so much, Matt!
Glad to help
So glad you did this video! Was very curious as to how different these blades were. Thanks Matt! 😁👍
You’re welcome
When I get a better saw I will start buying higher end blades. I can’t justify putting a 150 blade on a 300 saw. Just doesn’t seem right to me. Still saving for my sawstop
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I appreciate you doing beginner wood working project with beginner wood working tools. A lot of guys on YT use Festools and show how to do beginner projects. I’m not mad at them and I’d like to upgrade one day to those types of quality tools but you show people how to do it with the tools they have. God bless brother.
Thanks 👍
Thanks for this video. Watching this led me to watch some of your other content. I'm recently retired and was planning on doing some woodworking to sell and supplement my income. I'm finding your videos informative and inspirational. Thanks for that. I'm looking forward to watching your past and future content.
Thank you
FYI The dust collection shroud has tabs on the side that pull up and allow the side to open and give you room to add and remove blades. Thanks, awesome content.
I’ve used both, and many other blades. The real difference comes in time. While they’ll both cut wood , my Forrest has been on my saw (the exact same saw that you have ) for over a year. And the cut quality is absolutely SUPERIOR. Especially on plywood, the finished cut is still perfect and all I’ve done is clean the blades.
On another note, the “silicone” (wax) around the Forrest is to protect the teeth from getting banged up during shipping. Also get yourself a telescopic mechanic magnet for that arbor nut that always seems to fall 😂
lol thank you
I have the same saw and recently bought high(er) end Amana and CMT blades. Personally, the longevity in sharpness of the higher quality blades outweighs the problems I encounter with a dull cheaper blade. Also, the Forrest is a full 1/8 kerf whereas the diablo or other box store blade is generally a thin kerf blade. Our saws need to work harder with the full kerf blades, but I've adjusted feed speed and am very happy :)
thank you
I love that you used the free blade you got to test for us beginners....great video brother, I hope you’re able to do more “vs.” videos!!!
More to come!
Thanks for posting this! It's time for me to change my saw blade on my table saw. And I recently purchased a 5 1/2" 20V Porter Cable saw that needs a blade, because the one that came with it doesn't cut worth a flip. I now know which brand to get for both of these.
Glad I could help
I'd like to see more videos like this! That fence on your table saw
looks like the ones on $3500 saws. Saving up to get me one. Thanks.
thanks. It's a nice saw
If you can find them in stock,his is a delta 36-725. I bought the slightly newer 36-725t2 model that's 15amps instead of 13,and it has the thin strip ripping attachment on the fence. Its hands down the best saw in that price range($599). If you decide to get one,do yourself a favor and order the dado insert for another $39 on lowes website. I also recently found and bought an old craftsman moulding head cutter and it fits through the dado insert whereas many dado inserts are to narrow for a moulding head cutter. My saw has been dead on accurate and solid as a rock for over a year now. Hope you enjoy yours.
Somebody explained it well by saying that the value is in the longevity. Brand new, both blades will cut excellent. But when it’s time to get them sharpened, which costs about 25$, I will spend 25$ to get back basically a new 30$ blade with Diablo. I will spend 25$ to get back a new 150$ blade with Forrest.
Exactly. And some of the ulra premium blades you can get 10 sharpenings from a single blade saving a huge amount over the entire life
Right there with you, sir. I have used (not bought) some very expensive blades myself. Diablos blades are awesome and my blade of choice in my shop. I have them on my miter saw, table saw and circular saw. Thanks for the comparison and all the content you put out
thank you
I bought a 60 tooth Amana blade for my table saw 18 years ago! It has finally gotten to the point where it is too dull to use. I forget how much I paid for it, but it was over $100. I know it sounds unbelievable, but true. Now, I don't do production work and the hardest wood I cut is cherry and oak, but it has worked fine until recently. I just bought 60 and 80 tooth Diablo blades for my Delta table saw (10") and Dewalt miter saw (12"), but haven't used them yet, I'll let you know how they turn out. My old Delta 10" miter saw has gone through a ton of cheap blades, but I cut all kinds of things on it, including aluminum and Hardy board siding.
A couple of further points of consideration, The HP of the saw being used. The Forrest blade is much heavier at a full1/8" kerf and massive carbide tips that can be re-sharpened numerous times (Forrest provides this service as well), The Diablo I believe is a "Thin" kerf blade at 3/32". I own the Forrest box joint set of blades and my saw is under 3hp and it is noticeable when the saw is first starting as to the weight difference as opposed to using a standard Dado set. The Freud is still a great blade, likely better for the occasional woodworker and the Forrest blade I would typically expect to see more often used in a more professional setting.
good video!!! I'm just at the point where my Diablo needs to be replaced (used for a year, probably 50 hours cut time) and Mrs KiltsCanDo suggested a More expensive blade like a forrest. so this video came JIT!
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Is it something you can actually quantify to say it's better?
Most honest answer I've seen yet. As you said, for the products your making it's a no brainer. I honestly feel the same about festool. You see guys online with $5000 table saws making $100 cutting boards. Then you watch a guy in the Amazon make a cutting board with a rock and some sand and realize it's not the big $$$ tool all the time.
Glad to hear you're sticking with Diablos. They have been my blades of choice on my TS (same 1060X) & CS (0760). Just love them. And for those claiming longevity of the Forrest, I wonder if it is more than 4.2 times long lasting without sharpening?
I wouldn't think so
I'm a Diablo fan, especially compared to the factory blades on the cheaper to midrange tools. I will say that I recently had upgrade to a carbide ripping blade for 8/4 red oak on a current project. Diablo was burning and struggling. Still a Diablo fan, but learning to use the right blade for the job
They are good
I have the diablo 50 tooth combination blade in my table saw and the compound miter saw. Haven't looked back since!! Great video.
Good choice!
We used FORREST blades in the cabinet (high production) industry. The biggest difference wasn’t cut quality for us but they had heavier carbide so they could be sharpened many times before needing to be retoothed.
Man! You have GENEROUS viewers!
I’m with you brother. For cost of one Forest River, I bought 3 Diablo blades, (24 tooth for ripping, 50 tooth for general purpose and an 80 tooth for fine finishes) for less than that one blade. I’m an average Joe so average tools are just fine for me.
Yes I do. Very generous. We have been blessed
I applied the same logic to my chop saw, and i'm well happy with it. not got space for a table saw tho...
I get my Diablo blades re-sharpened locally for $.25 per tooth ($15 for a 60 tooth) . With 4 in rotation I never have to worry about having a sharp blade on hand.
Nice
forrest blade can be sent away and get sharpened for free for life.
This does appear to be bad info. My mistake.
I agree with you. Have a Wonderful and Blessed Day!!! 😀
Thank you! You too!
For a better cut,less scrap, more accurate cuts and a safer saw throw those 10" blades out the window! A smaller blade less heat,less wear and tear on your saw, more accurate, smaller curf less waste, the only time I use a 10" blade is for taller stock or a 4x4, way less $$$ than 10" too. Great video comparison. Do one on a diablo 10 and a 7 1/4 on your saw I did years ago and rarely use a 10. A 10 saw doesn't mean you need to use a 10" blade. Ask yourself this...how often do I cut something thicker than a 2x4? If number is huge use a 10 but it is so amazing how much smoother and quieter your saw runs.
Nice tips
I absolutely love and recommend my Forrest blades. The cut quality, is amazing, the ability to resharpen is fantastic and the blades overall are just better.
For the average homeowner or DIY person. No, you don’t need Forrest. But if you care, and you use a saw daily, you’ll love Forrest.
Thank you
Agree, there are some differences between the blade, Thin Kerf (0.098" on the Diablo) and Full Kerf (0.125" on the WW2) (+27% more material to remove) ontop of the tooth difference. (40 v 60T) and tooth profile. Additionally because they are made locally (NJ) the support is local for the Professional. Given the circumstances, Matt's outcome was fair, and I would of been supprised if he recommended it for the small project maker/DIY-er.
Its essentially the saw blade version of a Festool ETS 125 vs a DeWalt DWE6423.
Been waiting on this one!
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Really was looking forward to this video. Originally, I thought Doablo. Now, I'm reconsidering. Thanks for another informative video.
Thank you
I have an Inca Table Saw that I restored, and the only blade I could find for it with a 20mm arbor hole was an 8" 40 tooth from Forest. I have come to love the blade I got from them as it cuts like a dream. I have another table saw that has a 10" 60 tooth Diablo installed, and I find myself using the Inca with the Forest Unless I am ripping sheets in which case an Inca is to small.
thanks
Hey Matt - just want to commend you on your hard work! I started following you when you had under 25k subscribers, and look at you now - you and Mrs. 731 are officially the hardest working couple in woodworking!
My wife and I were also married on 7/31 by the way. Maybe we should collaborate on a 731 club! Cheers!
Thank you. That’s awesome 👊🏻
@@731Woodworks Hmmmm... I am new here. I thought 0731 was 1 Corinthians 7:31- Those who use the things of the world...
Another 731 couple over here.
@@martingayle5376 I thought maybe 731 was their house number. can you clarify why you chose the name?
Matt, thanks for the shoutout to Working The Grain hardwoods variety pack! A virtual fist bump back to you bro. Keep up the great content and educate us all!
WTG Hardwoods
Thank you 👊🏻
I work at Forrest manufacturing and we do servicing on all blades if there's not too many broken tips..
I was part of a crew installing kitchens in a hi rise in NYC. The cabinets were a gel coat . Cutting fillers we would use the Diablo Blades. They were excellent. Any cheaper blade chipped cuts after one apartment, and Diablo Blades lasted for 2 floors of Kitchens. And would still be good for cutting anything that didn't have a hi dollar finish. Can't beat those blades.
Awesome!
I've actually had good luck with an Irwin Marples blade from lowes
nice
Love Diablo blades! Had good luck with Dewalt as well. $150? It better last all year.
lol for sure
I just made the jump from "hobbyist" level blades (Diablo, etc.) to Forrest. (I paused the video right after you asked to post this.)
YES. 100 TIMES YES. I bought a dedicated cross cut and a dedicated ripping blade for my fledgling business (which YOU helped me start!) and, man, the difference is night and day. I love their performance.
I plan on buying another of each to have on hand when I send these off for sharpening.
So yeah, I don't regret it AT ALL.
Now that the video is done:
I agree with you. For a hobbyist, the Diablo is a good blade.
For a professional or semi-pro, I think the Forrest is worth it, especially if you buy dedicated blades (ripping, cross cut, laminate).
Thank you
Some folks drive a Chevy Spark and are happy, others prefer to drive Bentley. Don’t buy a Bentley if you only drive occasionally and don’t appreciate the refined handling and luxury. Sure the Spark is easier to park, gets better mileage and costs less, but ….
Don’t buy the Forrest if your saw is underpowered or if you change blades often, it is a premium blade for better performance on cabinet saws by craftsman that have come to demand the best they can find. If your saw is a contractor version or underpowered the Forrest is probably not for you. (Also if you have a sawstop). Slop in the shaft bearings, belt vibration, lack of solid dampening will all compromise that Bentley luxury. Stick to a value thin curb blade, keep a fatter wallet and a clean conscience. Good is good enough. Muck like Festool, they might be better, but still unnecessary for most craftsman. Similarly with Forrest, better to cut with a clean sharp blade using a solid setup with true square jigs than throw money into tools that won’t make a difference in your skill level.
BTW for the best results - use a blade stiffener and raise the blade to the bottom of the gullet in the cut.
Remember it’s not the tools that turn a woodworker into a craftsman, it’s the results. But tools can make it more fun.
I have a full kerf Diablo ATBF blade. I really like it. You don’t find this one at a big box store. Only mail order or woodworking stores. Every 5th tooth is flat. I also have a Ridge Carbide full kerf combination blade. It’s a little cheaper than the Forrest but an incredible blade. Great cuts. No burning.
One reason that the Forrest burned is the tooth geometry. The Forrest teeth are parallel and polished on the sides where the Diablo teeth are beveled on the sides for more clearance in the kerf.
Thanks for the info
I'd love to see the same test and include a 7 1/4" circular saw diablo blade on the tablesaw.
Would it fit?
@@charlieodom9107 I use a 7 1/4" Diablo on my TS when ripping and it makes a world of a difference.
and thanks again Matt for another great video
Your video caught my attention. Couple things....One should never set a carbide toothed blade on a cast iron table. Carbide is extremely hard which makes it very brittle. You may not see the chips, but those sharp corners are susceptible to chipping against steel or cast iron. Even the smallest chip makes a negative difference.
Now, not all carbide is the same. Forrest blades utilize c-4 (I believe) that is a much better/harder quality carbide than you’ll find with a $35 dollar blade. They can be sharpened many, many times.
Tooth configuration is another factor. The WWII that you were using has a ATB (Alternate Top Bevel) grind. Designed for ripping with large gullets for chip clearance. However, that type of blade will cut plywood amazingly well because the wood fibers are severed by that sharp positive tooth angle. Forrest blades are what I use in my shop and have been for decades. Also, the overall quality of the runout is easily noticeable. In other words, they’re dead flat and true.
A true test would have to have exact feed rates to be fair. Material that is fed too slowly through the cut can burn, even if the blade is new. There’s always a “sweet spot” for feed rate with most tools/machines.
Anyway, I like Diablo for the price...but only use em for rough carpentry work...or on my Skilsaws.
Just my two cents...thanks for the video.
Thank you for sharing the info!
To me it looked like the kerf of your blades were different. The Forest is taking a lot of wood out at one time (better for more hp saws) The Diablo was taking out less wood... The thin kerf will help when you only have a 2hp saw or less. This is why I bought the Spyder blade rather than the manufacture blade. Thanks for doing this video!
I really hope there’s not much a difference, just so I don’t need to start wanting one.
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I'd be interested in seeing what the results would be after using each of them for a couple months or so. Not that I'm anywhere near the $150 blade stage yet. I've still got my woodworking training wheels on. 😆
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Don't be afraid to buy it I bought my first one about 20 years ago I have four of the woodworker II and several other Forrest blades until they come out with something better I refuse to buy anything else
I used my woodworker 2 blade everyday in my shop and only send them out to be sharpened after 3 to 4 months worth of use a cut primarily Hardwoods such as red oak and hard maple touch me don't be afraid of the blade LOL
Very interesting to see this play out. Thanks for sharing.
Glad it helped
The difference between a Diablo thin kerf blade and say a Forrest full kerf blade, is the fact that the full kerf blade is going to be more stable during a cut. One thing that I've noticed with the Diablo, and don't get me wrong I use a lot of Diablo blades for certain things, is that when cutting wood with particular grain patterns the blade will Flex slightly as it tries to follow the grain during the cut. This isn't because there's anything "wrong" with the blade except the fact that it's thin. The forest blade is made from a much thicker piece of Steel and therefore is less susceptible to flex during a cut. This is really only important when you are doing very high high-precision jointing operations. I build musical instruments, and when I need really tight precision (I.e. very very straight cuts) I always reach for a full kerf blade.
Thank you for sharing that
Buy one blade that I will need to spend more money on to have it sharpened, and also be without it for at least a week while it is shipped out of my shop, or buy four Diablo blades that can be swapped out in minutes and let you continue making sawdust?
It’s a no brainer. You’d need at least two Forrest blades if you don’t want down time in your shop.
Exactly
Good point.
I’m going to guess that, out of the box, you won’t be able to tell the difference. I think the difference is going to come over time (longevity).
Thank
How many times can you sharpen a Diablo blade?
I know Forrest blades can be sharpened multiple times.
☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻 This guy is ABSOLUTELY correct 😃
@@andrewnayl Diablo can also
@@LemonySnicket-EUC I’m willing to bet Forrest blades hold their edge longer and can be sharpened more. However, for the average person, I think Diablo blades are plenty sufficient. Forrest seems to be tailored more towards professional wood workers.
If you get burns on a rip cut it means one of two things... 1, feed rate is not matching saw power or 2, fence and blade are not parallel. More often it's #2. You mentioned you noticed tighter tolerances for the arbor hole, the entire blade from Forrest is like that. The Diablo has more flex and different tooth geometry to compensate for the slightly looser tolerances of its target market giving the perception of keeping up with the Forrest blade. Your Delta table saw is a good saw and can be dialed in well. If you take an hour or so to get OCD with aligning the trunions to your miter slot and the fence to the blade then magic will endow your saw and you'll really see the difference a higher dollar blade can make.
Thank you
You are correct. My feelings exactly. I have paid a lot more than $35 for Diablo blades....90 tooth miter, 72 tooth table saw. My miter saw blade is about a year and a half old, still cuts fine.
I’ll never be without my Forrest.
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haha I can't even get my head around those expensive blades LOL not only can I not afford them I to use Diablo and the same one for quite some time now and have even cut through a screw not intentionally and its still cutting good not great as before but I would still be kicking myself had I done that on a $150.00 blade LOL
For sure they are very expensive
Honest opinions, love it! Thanks!
Excellent job, and comparison!
Well done!
The Forrest blade has a much higher amount of carbide on the teeth and is able to be sharpened numerous times. It will far outlast your next $150 in diablo blades. At this level woodworkers are likely sharpening the blades themselves.
Thank you for the info
"Ripping boards and praising the lord!"
Your welcome lol
ha, that is fantastic!
Yes I use them both. They each have there own use. Biggest difference to me my contractor saw I started with has less power for 1/8 kerf of the Forrest but Diablo being thin kerf. However my 12” 5 hp cabinet saw which has power like crazy I mostly use the Forrest. Saw power makes a difference too!
awesome. thanks for sharing
I'm a trim/cabinet carpenter with 15 years in the craft I used to favor Irwin blades until about 6 years or so ago when I had to buy a diablo 7 1/4" in a pinch and I loved the ease of the cut not the speed it doesn't really cut faster then any other blade but it's definitely a clean crisp cut line also I noticed that the 6 1/2" diable blade on my 20v dewalt skill saw lasted alot longer by atleast %30 I just wished they made diablo vibra-saw blades or maybe they do and I haven't seen the yet ...anyway stick with diablo Matt you won't regret it and I love your chanell keep making saw dust!
try a ridge carbide blade and start wearing your dust mask with these woods your lungs cost more than any saw blade
thanks
Pshh, saw dust makes you 💪. Guess bullying is bad too?
I dont think it was a fair test with the tooth count being different, That being said no way I can afford 150 for blade.... Diablo yes
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You are right, unless you’re a professional making high-end items. Appreciate your work.
I appreciate that!
Your video skills have come a long way lol. You are hilarious thank you. Very entertaining keep it up.
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Yup - I’m definitely in the “disposable” blade camp here. It’s less hassle to just buy a new blade than to send it off and wait for it to come back, plus, of course, you need another blade to use while you’re waiting, so for a Forest blade it’s not $150 but $300.
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Nice review. Any blade will scorch the wood in between pushes and that is common. I use Tenryu Gold blades and they retail for about $125. I notice that they are much less prone to deflection and even with a lower tooth count (40 tooth) it provides a very clean cut. I cant wait to see your opinion after a month.
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Something that most people don't realize; the Forrest blades don't have any anti-kickback raker teeth, only cutting teeth. On a miter saw or radial arm saw, if you don't have the anti-kickback rakers, it means the blade can go into a runaway climb or kickback easier. All 40 tooth Diablo blades have raker teeth that limit the bite, just like a chainsaw chain. If you push your saw too hard, the non-cutting raker teeth will prevent the blade from grabbing too much material and going into a kickback or (climb on a radial arm saw).
Great video. A comparison of the blades with the same tooth count would be awesome!
For sure
I am a Diablo combo blade guy because they are sharp: they are thin kerf; they use a very good anti-virbration system (does not ring like a bell): can be resharpened (about $20); and often on sale. Good video
You should really see if you can fine a shop that does precision sharpening. My Dad, before he died, sharpened blades. He made sure angle was correct and the amount of set on conventional blades were set within tolerances. He had carpenters both framers and finish carpenters from two counties away brought their blades to him to sharpen. One of them commented that the blades he sharpened were much better that brand new blades and much cheaper too.
Love your channel. Keep up the great work.
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Love your videos looks like you were always having issues getting the nut on the bolt for your tablesaw. Since you make jigs for everything, make an easy jig to drop the nut in that you can hold down there for easy access.
I have a Diablo on my mitre saw and makes very nice cuts but since I bought the Forest blades at a wood show for my tablesaw that's what I'm using on it and it sure does make some clean cuts
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when you buy a professional blade they all come that way and the burning would be due from stress from the wood different parts of the wood will be stressed in different ways you got a ways to go young man
Great comparison video. Thanks for sharing. My cheap table saw (135 Euro - 160 USD) came with 2 blades included in the price.
No name brand of the blades but the cutting is OK. I don't use the table saw very often yet. I only have it 4 months in use now.
My sliding mitre saw is more than 10 years old. Last year I changed the blade for the first time. It had become "a little" dull.
I bought some 7€ (9USD) saw blades and I couldn't believe how much difference that makes. I hope to spend more time in my shop the coming years.
So maybe in the future I'll buy expensive DIABLO blades.
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Agree with you Matt 💯. You the man, buy 4.2 Diablo blades over 150 dollar blade day or night. Love your videos,keep it up.
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Thanks Matt, Diablo 12" on my miter saw and I just got a two pack of 10" Dewalt 40 and 80 tooth. Have not installed yet. I will let you know if I like the d,walt when I use one. Diablo has served me well on the miter saw so far. Very fine cut.
I like DeWalt blades as well
@@731Woodworks Update, put dewalt 80 t on the cobalt 10-15 t/saw. It works like a knife through butter and very smooth cut. Made a drawer for my wrk table just for kicks and it did great. Just thought you would like to know.
Long time Freud customer. Love having a good ripping blade and a good plywood blade. And I don't mind it when I need to replace them
I have been using Diablo 10" saw blades for many years. I have never been disappointed with the results.
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I do have one of the Forrest blades. Most of my others are the Freud combo blades, alternate tooth bevel with raker teeth. I did not really notice much difference. One thing that surprised me with the Forrest blade, I sent it to my sharpener rather than sending it back to them. It came back sharper than it was from the factory.
Oh, Chechen wood is also known as 'poison bark tree'. I have played with it some, and didn't react to it. The bark can cause blisters.
That silicone or wax is what I am used to, is for edge/tooth protection.
Great content! I agree. I use the Diablo 90 tooth blade for everything
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Thank you. You just save me a lot of money.
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One nice thing about the Forrest blade is that you can send it off for inspection and sharpening so it will last for years. I agree that Diablo is a fine blade. Would you consider doing a follow-up after several months? Thanks for the video.
I hope to do that follow up
Great video. I am going to say that I would hope that a $150 blade would out last the $30 blade, but only time will tell. I have used various blades over the years and haven't really been able to tell a difference myself. But then again, I didn't do a side by side comparison nor was I using them that much until recently. And like you said in the video, for a beginner wood worker, most would need to invest that $150 in a tool.
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I really like the Diablo blades. I also have Freud thin kerf blades for my job site saw. Less teeth for ripping and a dedicated rip blade will make a big difference. I would say the burning was because the saw bogged down a little.
I use a 40 tooth for almost all my table saw work. The only exception is real thick material, which I use a 24 tooth ripping blade. I have used a 60 tooth blade for plywood, but I usually just stick with my 40 tooth. My radial arm saw and miter saw keep 60 tooth blades for clean crosscut. I've never had an expensive blade. My rip blade is an old irwin marathon blade and my 40 tooth is an Irwin marple blade I've had for years. I have other old blades I've bought and sharpened from discount stores and flea markets
I'm thinking there may be somewhere in between those that's a good compromise but I'm not sure. My saw came with a CMT blade on it which I think is double the Diablo in cost but has worked very well for me since I got the saw.
I've heard from several that say the CMT blade is the in between of the two. Lots swear by the CMTs
Remember its not just about the cut. Forrest uses high quality carbide and much bigger carbide which can be resharpened much much more. Much longer blade life and holds edge better longer.
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Certainly, as a fellow small shop woodworker I struggle with the same question. As I have moved away from so much pine and plywood projects and into mostly domestic hard woods and some exotics, I cant afford bad cuts. I started to look at TS blades as not disposable. Also helps that I have a great industrial sharpening business 15 mins away which cost $10ish per blade with a 2-3 day turn around.
I personally prefer CMT blades, they have about 7-10 sharpenings, the Diablo ones have about 3 and your big box stores only have what you get from the store (0) The more “expensive up front” blades end up being less expensive even with sharpenings. You’re paying for longevity. You can buy a $30 blade and get one use out of it, or buy a $150 blade and get 7 or more uses. Also don’t use the manufacturer for sharpening, find someone else that you can trust. Jonathan Katz Moses did a video on the CMT blades and I love them.
I have been very satisfied with the higher level Freud blades.
When I started building jewelry boxes and hardwood furniture I needed a blade that cut flat bottom grooves and I bought a Forrest 40 tooth #1 grind blade.
I don’t usually get attached to “stuff” but I really enjoy using this blade and it stays on the saw almost 100% of the time.
If I did not need to use it for the flat bottom cuts I never would have bought it though.
There are plenty of very good blades available at many different price points and regardless of whether it costs a little or costs a lot, if you like using it no justifications are necessary for your choice.
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One other thing I would like to point out is you and your channel caters more towards the weekend warrior or DIY'er, so a less expensive blade makes more sense. That why 90% of the comment agree with you. However, a full blown cabinet maker or a custom fine woodworker are going to appreciate the quality and longevity of the higher end blades. That is like saying a Festool anything is no better than a lower end power tool, sure they both get the job done, but we both know that there is a difference. It all depends on the kind of work you do, that drives the quality of tool you use.
That's why I say towards the end of the video, for a beginner woodworker, go with the Diablo
Excellent video and information. Just curious about a couple of things...1) do you use combo blades or do crosscutting blades...2) how often do you replace blades...what's the optimal number of teeth for clean cuts? I think I read somewhere that a combo blade doesn't cut as clean as a crosscut blade. I guess when I get to replacing blades I'd put a crosscut blade on the miter saw and the combo blade on the table saw.
I use that 60 tooth Diablo for everything. It works very well for me. I usually replace them about every 6 months