Lone Digger [Scribble Kibble #19]
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- As I was doing the final edit for this episode, especially the scene with the hands, I started to suspect some of the animation is rotoscoped. I mentioned this to another animator and he said it is. You can tell because the anatomy is "too" consistent.
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lol, "Hold on, let me just wipe the blood from my eyes, Oh my gosh.. Oh, everybodys dead, uhg I need a shower and a paycheck"
Okan Wolfie, literally everyone dies. Even the ones not touchee just end up dead.
Why is this somehow a mood????????????
FUCKING LOVE LONE DIGGER
SAME
SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who doesn't ?!
HELL YEA!!
+Espiritu Wolf FUCK YEAH!!!
I swear to god you get more animated every one of these.
+SquirrelSword That's because every episode I either add new art to the pool or I do a new background.
+Crowne Prince It's working for you.
+Mysterious AnimatorX (MysteriousAnimatorX) I liked the bit were she wiggled her fingers while describing what rotoscoping was. It's a nice and smooth little animation.
SquirrelSword rrr
Vivziepop did a new animation
*wink wink* *nudge nudge*
Vellus oh... I see.
I get it
You mean the Silhouette one?
Big Doggo Boi a new scribble kibble
Vellus :>
I deeply thank Caravan Palace for making Lone Digger and making me know the existence of this channel
I initially disagreed with you when I was watching the video because the animation is definitely rotoscoped, but I see in the description that you later shifted towards rotoscoping as well.
I still have to comment thought, that you might have gotten the wrong idea of CG animation. While it takes a lot of work in the pre-production stage ( modeling, rigging etc), once you get to the actual animation, it's much faster than 2D animation. Provided that you're experienced in it.
It would be much more time efficient to first animate everything in with 3D models and work a 2D papercraft over it, than do both stages in 2D, especially if you have a lot of identical characters. Using the same model saves a lot more time when using identical characters. It would also cut down a lot of time if you wanted to use characters with similar build because you can make one generic model to use for all those characters and then add any more unique features in the 2D stage.
Sorry for the long comment but I feel like CG animation is a very overlooked and under-appreciated form of animation amongst 2D animators, and combining the two has such great unexplored potential.
Yeah I definitely could tell it was rotoscoped because the movement's of the pants and hands are too real. And also I don't understand how she got the idea that rotoscoping is specifically done using 3d animation?? Rotoscoping is usually done with live people, not 3d, hence why it looks "real". Can't say it gives me too much confidence in this channel.
HulluMel lol thank youuuu I was feeling the exact same thing 😂😂
She actually didn't say it was just done with 3D models/3D animation. She said it could also be done with using live footage of people. (It's at 0:55 )
I loved that animation, and it felt like it had a neat [not "allegory" I don't think, but close to that?] to it- most of the male attendants of the night club were predatory animals except for the donkey (who looked depressed and uninterested in the women there) and the bull (who is the bouncer, and bulls are a symbol of masculinity and power, but is not there for the women and so wouldn't be interested in the women), while the women were all prey animals. A feast for the eyes, perhaps? Also the actual choices of the animals are interesting. Cats and dogs are obviously rivals, dobermans look like a sophisticated sort of intimidating, and are much bigger than domestic cats. The domestic cats look "common" and a little underwhelming up until the fight scene.
Another interesting thought is that zebras are pretty tough animals, the zebra waitress didn't even flinch when the snake was about to strike her face. The fox was at the table with a swan. Swans are delicate and very feminine and elegant animals, while foxes are known to be rather tricky and mischievous.
It felt as though all of the details were very thought out and intentionally placed. This is absolutely just a theory, though, I could be wrong but it's a theory I definitely subscribe to.
One thing I disliked, though, was the emphasis on the cage dancing. Certainly, it was beautifully animated, but it took away some focus from the power divide between the animals and made a message potentially about sexism look more sexist. Maybe it was to take up screen time, but I think they could have added in a little more closure instead? Oh well!
TLDR;
I like the attention to detail in the story itself.
Gaming Bro & Sis Between their bow-ties, lack of breasts, rather large hands, and whole outfit (shorts + sneakers) I'd say they're male
Swans appear feminine and delicate, but apparently they're total bastards. Rowing teams have been known to cancel or delay competitions on rivers because a swan was present. They're very large birds, after all; they don't have to take anyone's shit. Given that plus the very effeminate snakes I'd say we're looking at more of a femme fatale scenario.
***** That is a good point.
The Snakes are wearing red skirts, fur-lined jackets and ladies loafers.
They have long fingernails _(not claws)_ and very feminine arms and legs.
They're drinking out of martini glasses while everyone else, apart from the Fox & Swan couple, has shot glasses.
They're female.
Foxtrot369 Red shorts, actually.
And not jackets, vests. Looks like a fur-lined hooded vest, which would denote someone who is into high fashion. (and there are plenty of this type of vest for men) They also have bow ties, and their fingernails are not actually all that detailed. The shoes look a bit like fashion sneakers.
These details would infer fashion-conscious, effeminate, possibly wealthy (or born into wealth) younger men. The shorts and sneakers make them seem very young and boyish.
Effeminate does not equal woman.
I feel like you missed major themes conveyed through symbolism. The Hounds in old-school mobster suits, smoking cigars and drinking brandy are meant to represent the Italian mob and the Russian Blue's (Cats) in letterman jackets are meant to represent the younger Russian Mob moving in on there turf. The other characters represent other sects of life in that ignore this violence until it's too late and it consumes them as well, and at the end of the day, the only constant is the exploitation of women.
How do you know so sure and why so specific (Italian mob and Russian mob moving in on their turf)? If you would ask me honestly I'd say they thought: "Oh yeah let's have some action and oh don't forget that it needs to be attractive! Have a woman dancing through it. Don't kill her though, not attractive, man, not attractive."
Like this video a lot
Style reminds me of the Another World cutscenes :D
how has nobody else noticed you’re here? I would’ve thought that you and crowne would share an audience!
Alright this has bothered me for awhile, but most rotoscoping is traced off live action not 3d animation. In fact a lot of old Disney movies used this, and movies like Anastasia. It's why these sorts of animations have uncanny natural almost realistic movement.
This posterizing art style is very under-appreciated, in my opinion. The flat colors and reliance on shadows gives off a very strong mood. I like this music video.
2 seconds in already love this channle
Sameeee
yup
same XD 'Subbed'
same bruh
Gd Volt Channel
I really like those episodes...you learn about animations!
That song is one of the best, sadly many just talk about the furry gore porn vid to it, ignoring the whole artstyle >:
this channel needs more subs
Can you do a Gorillaz music video? Maybe Feel Good Inc? Or Dare? Maybe El Mañana, I'm Gorillaz trash, sorry.😂
gorillaz fans arent considered trash.
Emporer Waffle he only mentioned it himself only
Sarah Foxy oh my gosh same
i cant even watch in 480p on my wifi gotta watch in 144p.
i have best quality wifi
"I need a shower and a paycheck" - literally every animator ever.
Is it ok if I put your fursona in the background of my AMV im making?
+Dark_Fox Sure.
Thank you :D
+Crowne Prince you have a great voice!
"A bunch of dudes in varsity jackets show up to a nightclub and everybody dies in a bloody, sexy dancing massacre" thats sounds like the best pitch for music video ever. I've had much worse ones for sure. Great breakdown and love the channel, new subscription right there!
Strange, I could have sworn that rotoscoping referred to drawing the animation over live-action footage. Then again I get all of my animator-y knowledge by inferring things loosely based on what internet videos tell me, so I may be misinformed.
+CloudCuckooCountry At 0:56 there's a little caption that says it can be over live-action too!
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Yes, but I had assumed that rotoscoping over live action was basically how rotoscoping is always done. From what Crowne says, it seems as though rotoscoping is primarily done over 3D models and only occasionally done over live-action.
Haha, you're doing the collie dance
1:10 They could make a basic armature with the 3D animation then draw over it like that, that way they won't have to do needless animating like facial expressions or fingers in the 3D part so they can save time. Or at least that's what I think you could do with rotoscoping.
*facepalm* Your description of rotoscope animation was so far off it's hilarious. What makes it funny that later you actually do mention what it actually entails.
Rotoscope has traditionally been drawing on top of live action footage. I've honestly never heard of using 3D models before mainly because the whole point of rotoscoping is to capture realistic movement, something that you'd have to be damned good with 3D animation to get right in the first place.
I'm honestly curious now if someone has been either dumb enough or confident enough to attempt to do what you mentioned.
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Hey brother what you doing..
Just watching lone digger, in scribble scribble.
I love this!
These Scribble Kibble analysis videos are really interesting and you have a comfortable voice, definitely a cozy, fun series.
once again I can not express my delight in watching scribble kibble learning something new about animation and seeing floofy woof explain it is just a really sweet doggy treat of the week
but who cares the animation? the music is awesome!!!
Do a scrible kible about ghost it has realy good animation
Lone digger is my little brothers fav song! *we don't watch the video XD*
I've always understood rotoscoping to be the act of tracing over the frames of any media which includes both cgi and live action film. After watching the uncanny movement in the video, I would find it hard to believe that it was achieved any other way. It might even be possible that their editing software can automatically isolate and segment sections of color accurately enough to make out features such as hands. That would let you skip tracing and leaves only faces, blood splatter, and animal heads as far as animating goes.
Do better research. Rotoscoping usually IS just drawing over video of live action film. Very rarely does it ever involve 3D models. And not all rotoscoping is smooth. In fact it's usually more of a stop motion style with the typical frame rate people only 10 frames per second. I'm about 90% sure this is rotoscoping.
Read the description and YOU do better checking
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But who killed donkey ?
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just subbed and i love the amount of effort you put into every video! really like it !
I wonder what you would think of Backwater Gospel?
I LOOOVE CARAVAN PALACE
that animation was weird as fuck
Rotoscoping uses live action. Rotoscoping existed BEFORE 3D animation. Its literally named for a device "Rotoscope" that blows up live action footage and projects it so the artist can 'trace' it. I mean, c'mon, where did you get your info? Not a bad video, but that explanation and your ragging on it for not being what it actually IS was cringe AF.
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Wooot was looking forward to a Caravan Palace mention :D
Saw called,he wants his phrase back.
I hear Caravans..
I think skyrim
I see human cat things
I think skyrim
I see them both..
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I'm sorry and I know this is a super old video- but lone digger is definitely rotoscoped.
If you were to compare this animation with certain scenes from Princess Mononoke from Studio Ghibli, where it was confirmed that they did use CGI in tandem with the traditional 2D hand drawn animation to achieve smoother animation, you would be able to make a more accurate guess as to the use of such things in this particular piece. Considering that individuals working on the project did have CGI experience and the similar smoothness of some of the scenes that used CGI from Princess Mononoke with certain parts of this animation, I would say that it does seem that 3D was involved here.
i am sensitive person i found this before u made this video AND I LIKE THE ANIMATION BUT I CAN NEVER WATCH IT AGAIN
Can I make a suggestion for your next analysis?
Have you ever seen "The She Is" by Zambakza?
Don't forget the Donkey, Fox, And Swan they still survived as background characters XD
"Why would you make a 3D animation just to put paperraft style just to put 2D animations on top of it!?"
"Because I'm lazy and don't know how to draw my character at all of those angles ): "
*Hears cuphead in the background*
*TRIGGERED!*
Do you think you could do a review on Akame Ga Kill episode 1 OR the Rwby red trailer? ((
You should definitely review a music video from Gorillaz.
I keep doing this move where I'm looking through my subscriptions I see this video and I click on this again to get the actual video link.
Crowne Prince: "yep. everyone's dead....i need a paycheck and a shower...."
My transition throughout the lone digger video: ok, so these three are at a bar and dr-HOLY CRAP THEY ARE KILLING EACOTHER IN A BLOODY MASSACRE WTF???!?!!!!!!!!?
12 million people watched that video I doubt there's any sensitive people here
you are a god send, someone giving me tutorials that has good audio and video production skills and keeping me awake.
you should talk about mysteryben's mystery skulls animated videos! it's obvious that puppets are used for a lot of it, but it'd be interesting to hear your take on it!
This is so old, and you just found it now, same with studio killers! I swear you are me but kinda late. didnt mea to be offensive, its just weird you found out about these so late.
My favorite animated music videos (right now):
1. Mystery Skulls Animated
2. SIAMES - The Wolf
3. Caravan Palace - Lone Digger
a lot people create the 3D models to use as a reference of anatomy , and also when you have experience with 3D you can create a 3D model in no time
Caravan palace, the band ive been following since 2015
Hiya! I recently subscribed and absolutely love these videos! I love to see how these people do animation and see how it works
I can't find the music when your fursona dance at the beginning, can you help me pls?
Yeah, the cats go in ect, when the bartender is coming in with more milk shots,a dog trips her. The cats get mad and start a fight. Then the whole place starts fighting.
And rotoscopy can also be an animator tracing over frames from other works and including them in their animation (all while giving credit to those works of course, hopefully).
Example: ua-cam.com/video/yCQozEmW5Sk/v-deo.html&lc=z22bdvxbrtyjstkwl04t1aokgtj325gqwrgmmyjxmdgnbk0h00410
Sorry, I couldn't help but make this comment.
I learn so much from you... Thanks to you I know what twinning is
PLEASE talk about Infected Mushroom-Riders in the Storm or/and Mystery Skulls Animated-Ghost. I love those.
I thought rotoscoping was when you redraw a video frame by frame like they did back in old cartoons(Betty Boop for example).. Whatever, rotoscoping is beautiful and so is Caravan Palace.
Hey.. What's wrong with 3D animation?? :P
Psst.
The link to the animation in the description doesn't work.
As you mentioned slow motion so many times, I know it's little off topic, but...have you heard about this - slowmovideo.granjow.net/ - project?
♪Hey brother! What you thinkin'?
Leave that old record spinnin'!
You feel the rythm goin'
(They call it lonely diggin')♪
the thing is why I love lone digger is art style and cat's attacking scene oh my god that was perfect
It's funny how I don't know jack about animation, yet I love your analysis of animations. Especially since your recent videos have been about videos I know and feel interested in.
So thanks!
have you seen saga of rex already o.O?? You should watch it
could you do something with "There she is" or if its to long maybe only the cake dance part, please
P.s. I really love Scribble Kibble becouse I loe animations and how they're made (even if I am not really good when it comes to animation)
I know you addressed this in your description, but you clearly knew very little about the history of rotoscoping.
Kinda devalues any opinion you have of the video. Just sayin'.
wait so your just saying it was animated? not rotoscoped but animated
Can you do a scribble kibble on "Spitfires day off"? It may be lower quality animation but his/her art style is really cool and I'd like for you to interpret how he does his animation. Just a suggestion.
while I watch your videos I draw, an I draw A LOT and I figured out if you do a lot of dark areas you can actually sharpen your pencil buy doing something I call streaking, witch is where I grab my pencil and press it HARD to the page where there is no light, and soft where there is, but still in a dark zone so that I still have to shade in the area where the drawing I making has still light , do not full black
*Spoiler Warning* (I guess)
I find it rather interesting, that the only one survivng is the goatlady. Especially because it seems to me, that she doesn't appear to be bothered by the situation at all. It is like she pulled the strings in the background, visible for everyone but still hidden, similar to the devil in christian religion, who is somtimes depicted as a goat creature, in case you (the reader) doesn't know.
I find that your placement of the eyes is a little wonky. Try thinning the muzzle, or pushing the eyes upwards/extending the forehead. The feet really bother me, as in some frames I feel like the lower joint is thinner at the top? What?? The paws also look like stubs when in poses other than on the ground. I recommend animal references, animal videos of them moving, and I hope at one point to add more frames to your animations!
I understand production of your show works a little differently because of the animation, but if you did learn that rotoscoping can be done over "film", and you suspected that was case for this before this was published, it's very disappointing you still published it mostly as is. I imagine you understand it confuses or misleads some of the audience.
Caravan Palace is such a good band!! you should look at Wonderland's or Rock It For Me's video
Always I learn something new with your videos.
I'm so sure than you know about the animation of "batmetal returns", Maybe someday you can talk about it in your show to know more about that animation?
;)
YES! YESSSSSSS!!!!!! This is one of my favourite music videos so thank you
I WAS RIGHT ITS ROTOSCOPED I DO KNOW SOMETHING AFTER ALL
actually you can also rotoscope from just filming real life people
i think its how they made one movie called A Scanner Darkly -
hahahahah 3ds max is a pain in the but usually- rip me
I'm not sure how to feel about Lone Digger but damn the animation is killer ... Literally, I suppose.
I love this song and music video and I found your channel because of this analysis of it.
Subscribed.
The Animation Itself Is Inappropriate
The video itself felt very... Hotline Miami, what with all the animals in varsity jackets and suits and stuff. It was a pretty great animation.
Awesome, now the video isn't just a bloody sexy dancing massacre anymore. The more you know.
It would be nice if you jumpscared at the end
I actually found this video because it was recommended in the Lone Digger suggested videos lol. What is your channel about?
I beleave she made a mistake. Rotoscoping is watching live action and transering it to animation. The creator of Betty Boo invented that method in animation. The 3D 2D merging together is called, if i m not mistaken, mix media.