Range at least drops by 30 % compared to warm weather. Even then given the 0 maintenance in comparison to the best diesel cars we had + the driving experience + no oil --it's worth every penny. Go for it!
Great comment! There are many benefits to owning an EV. I did a 2 year review that showed all maintenance that has occurred. It’s lower than an equivalent gas vehicle.
Lots of good info here. And yes, combustion engines lose efficiency in cold or hot weather also. Just last week purchased a 2023 KIA Niro EV (traded in our 2019 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid). The Toyota on days where we didn't use much heat or AC would get maybe 38/40 mpg. That would drop down to maybe 28-30mpg with AC or heat. Average loss of 25% efficiency. Seems similar to the EV loss.
Thanks for the info! I enjoy having others contribute their experiences, as I'm just bringing a single case-study forward with my vehicle. It definitely helps people decide what works for them if they are on the fence about EV's.
Arctic Norway here. We do not have summer temp, luckily no mountains. In coldest winter (-40C) i loose about 140 km per charge. I have never tried my car over +25 C. Last year i drove 72 000 km so i think we can say that i drive a lot. It is perfect winter cars. Always warm and no "start" problems. (Sorry i dont know distanse and temp you use. ) I have Mod 3 P 2021
Good info John! Love the drone shots. I went for a long drive yesterday and forgot to precondition, I forgot what a big difference that can make. Stay warm out there!
Thank you! I'm glad that my wife said 'yes' to the drone acquisition :) It has definitely given an angle that I'm unable to get otherwise. Thank you for the feedback & stay warm over there in MN!
Now that I drive an EV I really look forward to winter driving. It's so easy to preheat the vehicle and is warm within 5 minutes. The 25% loss of range isn't bad because my gas vehicle lost more range and my entire drive to work was waiting for the vehicle to warm up. So in the winter I go from 80%-60% rather than 80%-65% when compared to summer. No big deal because I'm always at 80% again when I wake up the next day.
I lose about 25% range in winter for my Mach-e. I go to cold Muskoka region(central Ontario)in winter. Pre heat the car and keep the car plugged in when I am in Muskoka. Works all the time.
Thank you for adding your experience with the Mach-e. It is cool (no pun intended) to hear from other EV drivers to help reduce concerns about cold weather range issues.
So if it doesnt effect range that much it is much less efficient as it cant regenerate as much, not to mention it will cost more as its drawing more power to keep the battery warm? Perhaps you should cover the how much extra it costs per mile when its cold?
It's odd - I thought the extra time charging versus pumping gas would bother me, but have adjusted to it well. It's really only a factor on long road trips, since with daily commuting, my car leaves the house with all the energy it needs that day (and never a fuel stop needed).
@@JohnVanDeVoort sounds like you know what your doing. most folk dont read into it much then find themself on a type one charger in the cold as they watch their battery die... as its charging. or crash em cause they forget the weight of the ev takes more distance to make it stop. thats bad news bears
I super appreciate that! I get a lot of questions from EV-curious people about cold weather range, so thought it would be helpful to make a quick video to share my experience. Thank you for the watch & feedback.
Another great video...wow...how many miles do you have on your 2020? I'm looking to purchase used in chicago area...x,y or model 3...can you make a video on tips before purchase used tesla...thx
I have just over 56,000 miles on it. Battery degradation is around 5% from new, so it's holding out very well. I usually charge to 80% each night at home, more for longer road trips and Supercharge only when road tripping (about 3-5x / month). Used is a great option, but see if there is battery data before you buy. I have used recurrentauto.com and Teslafi.com to track my range and battery health.
Hey! Great video. I subscribed :). Really informative. This is my forst winter with my TM3 so I am curious how it will hold. Unfortunately the HV battery died for some reason and now the car is sitting in the service center. I also made a little video about what happened.
What happens if you have to leave the car outside for 3 days in zero to 10 above weather and do not have a garage? BTW I really learned a lot from your video
The car will have some phantom drain by keeping Sentry mode on and warming the battery if it gets too cold. 10% loss per day is a good estimate. We’ve had ours parked on the ice overnight at our cabin (on an island, so no land road access). That was about what it lost. That was last February. I’ll pay attention this year as we do the same and report findings in an update.
Nice video and very useful information there! I wonder if I missed recommendation on how to maintain a low battery consumption rate while driving in the cold. I drive on sub 50 mph roads sometimes at 26F and my model Y reads 320 Wh/mi. I thought the battery would warm up after 5 or 10 minutes of driving but it is still very sensitive to the throttle pedal and speed. Maintaining a constant speed even if it is higher seems to consume battery at a lower Wh/mi than accelerating to that speed frequently from a slower speed in traffic. Another interesting thing I notice in my 2022 Model Y is that the regen end of the bar doesnt have dots and is solid but still seems to use the brakes to slow down (have the brake usage option turned on in the absence of regen braking) and regen level is set to hold. Any idea why this might be happening? Thanks!
You don't see the dots because you've opted to use the brakes to augment the regenerative braking. If you watch the regen bar when you let off the accelerator, it will be green at first, but when the brakes kick in, the bar will switch to grey (if memory serves me correctly). The point where the color changes is where the dots would start. You can always switch back to the no brake assist option if you want to get a quick look at the dots.
@@patrickshelley09 Thanks, I turned the auto brake option and did see the dots (started out today in 40F weather). So do you have a suggestion on how to maintain a lower Wh/mi while driving in cold weather? It takes quite a while for the regen dots to become a solid line, which, I believe, is when the motors and battery are warm enough to become more efficient.
@@jbirdm If the trip is longer than 30 or 40 miles, preheat the car. Spirited acceleration will heat the battery. You could set navigation to a supercharger and it will heat the battery. But all of those will drive up your wh/mi. This is my first winter with my model 3. Either preheat before you leave or set your charging time to finish just before you leave. If you are going to leave the car for a bit and it's not on a charger, set the climate to keep. Other than that, drive slower and use as much regen as possible.
@@patrickshelley09 Thanks. I wish Tesla had done more to insulate the battery in addition to the heat pump to improve efficiency. I have seen driving at 75 mph caused a much higher Wh/mile usage, which would be a heavier factor for higher battery usage while driving than the lack of battery insulation itself.
They are holding up very well. I checked tread after the first 7500 miles, when I swapped back to summer tires. I measured tread depth when I pulled them off last April. It was the same depth as the brand new summer tires went on in their place. I wish I would have taken a zero miles measurement to know the exact wear, but I wasn't thinking to study tire wear when I got them.
I like Driving a Corvette with No Catalytic Convertors, Heads, Cam, Full Exhaust, Super Charger, Headers. Loud, Fast and No emission Restriction. So much better than any experience an electric car will ever provide.
It's a much different car. There isn't a comparison. But I can say from experience that the Model Y is a lot easier to get in/out of for daily commuting.
@@JohnVanDeVoort I just wish the focus would be on Maximizing both ICE and Electric instead of going quixotically towards Electric. It will end in disaster if the nation follow Californias example (2035 Deadline)
I have not used the spare yet. I do have a second set of tires that I use to swap between winter and summer driving. I would either contact roadside assistance if I’m a road trip or just replace tires if local and have a flat.
Done. I switched to manual focusing and reshot some of the in-car footage when I noticed during the edit. I didn't catch it all - thank you for the recommendation.
Range at least drops by 30 % compared to warm weather. Even then given the 0 maintenance in comparison to the best diesel cars we had + the driving experience + no oil --it's worth every penny. Go for it!
Great comment! There are many benefits to owning an EV. I did a 2 year review that showed all maintenance that has occurred. It’s lower than an equivalent gas vehicle.
Wrong.
Picking up my model 3 on Monday and watching this 😅
How exciting! Enjoy it and take friends out for rides. It's a lot of fun.
Lots of good info here. And yes, combustion engines lose efficiency in cold or hot weather also. Just last week purchased a 2023 KIA Niro EV (traded in our 2019 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid). The Toyota on days where we didn't use much heat or AC would get maybe 38/40 mpg. That would drop down to maybe 28-30mpg with AC or heat. Average loss of 25% efficiency. Seems similar to the EV loss.
Thanks for the info! I enjoy having others contribute their experiences, as I'm just bringing a single case-study forward with my vehicle. It definitely helps people decide what works for them if they are on the fence about EV's.
Arctic Norway here. We do not have summer temp, luckily no mountains. In coldest winter (-40C) i loose about 140 km per charge. I have never tried my car over +25 C. Last year i drove 72 000 km so i think we can say that i drive a lot. It is perfect winter cars. Always warm and no "start" problems. (Sorry i dont know distanse and temp you use. ) I have Mod 3 P 2021
Just checked - 72,000km is about 45,000 miles. Thank you for sharing!
Thank you for sharing! Watching from Ontario 🇨🇦 with a Model 3
Thanks for watching! Go Ontario!
Good info John! Love the drone shots. I went for a long drive yesterday and forgot to precondition, I forgot what a big difference that can make. Stay warm out there!
Thank you! I'm glad that my wife said 'yes' to the drone acquisition :) It has definitely given an angle that I'm unable to get otherwise. Thank you for the feedback & stay warm over there in MN!
You should also note that your Tesla does not have a heat pump, which was added in 2022. This makes it much more efficient to heat the cabin.
@@mikeoberg1 Heat pump added late 2020 for Model Y, 2021 for Model 3.
Now that I drive an EV I really look forward to winter driving. It's so easy to preheat the vehicle and is warm within 5 minutes. The 25% loss of range isn't bad because my gas vehicle lost more range and my entire drive to work was waiting for the vehicle to warm up. So in the winter I go from 80%-60% rather than 80%-65% when compared to summer. No big deal because I'm always at 80% again when I wake up the next day.
It’s okay to charge it to 90% each day. ~Elon Musk
So true. For in town driving it isn’t an issue. Also, yes - no guilt in wasting gas to preheat and defrost the car.
Thanks for the translation into Celcius 😀👍
My pleasure 😊 I know a lot of people view outside of the U.S. and thought it would be helpful.
Thanks so much. Appreciate the tips for my new M3 RWD. I'm in Canada where it gets pretty cold.
No problem 👍 Enjoy your new car!
I lose about 25% range in winter for my Mach-e. I go to cold Muskoka region(central Ontario)in winter. Pre heat the car and keep the car plugged in when I am in Muskoka. Works all the time.
Thank you for adding your experience with the Mach-e. It is cool (no pun intended) to hear from other EV drivers to help reduce concerns about cold weather range issues.
So if it doesnt effect range that much it is much less efficient as it cant regenerate as much, not to mention it will cost more as its drawing more power to keep the battery warm? Perhaps you should cover the how much extra it costs per mile when its cold?
id say people dont really think about fueling up because it takes 3 mins to refill, where as a battery takes way way way longer
It's odd - I thought the extra time charging versus pumping gas would bother me, but have adjusted to it well. It's really only a factor on long road trips, since with daily commuting, my car leaves the house with all the energy it needs that day (and never a fuel stop needed).
@@JohnVanDeVoort sounds like you know what your doing. most folk dont read into it much then find themself on a type one charger in the cold as they watch their battery die... as its charging. or crash em cause they forget the weight of the ev takes more distance to make it stop. thats bad news bears
Awesome video! Very informative. I drive a Polestar 2 and the things you are saying here also applies to my car.
That is a cool EV - i saw my first one at a local EV car show this year. I like the style of it.
@@JohnVanDeVoort i love it too! I just wish it had more space 😆
@@JohnVanDeVoort i love it too! I just wish it had more space 😆
@@JohnVanDeVoort i love it too! I just wish it had more space 😆
The products from EVinsulate can cut your wintertime range loss in half. Not cheap but worth considering.
Good video, lots of useful information there.
I super appreciate that! I get a lot of questions from EV-curious people about cold weather range, so thought it would be helpful to make a quick video to share my experience. Thank you for the watch & feedback.
Another great video...wow...how many miles do you have on your 2020? I'm looking to purchase used in chicago area...x,y or model 3...can you make a video on tips before purchase used tesla...thx
I have just over 56,000 miles on it. Battery degradation is around 5% from new, so it's holding out very well. I usually charge to 80% each night at home, more for longer road trips and Supercharge only when road tripping (about 3-5x / month). Used is a great option, but see if there is battery data before you buy. I have used recurrentauto.com and Teslafi.com to track my range and battery health.
Hey! Great video. I subscribed :). Really informative. This is my forst winter with my TM3 so I am curious how it will hold. Unfortunately the HV battery died for some reason and now the car is sitting in the service center. I also made a little video about what happened.
What happens if you have to leave the car outside for 3 days in zero to 10 above weather and do not have a garage?
BTW I really learned a lot from your video
The car will have some phantom drain by keeping Sentry mode on and warming the battery if it gets too cold. 10% loss per day is a good estimate. We’ve had ours parked on the ice overnight at our cabin (on an island, so no land road access). That was about what it lost. That was last February. I’ll pay attention this year as we do the same and report findings in an update.
Nice video and very useful information there! I wonder if I missed recommendation on how to maintain a low battery consumption rate while driving in the cold. I drive on sub 50 mph roads sometimes at 26F and my model Y reads 320 Wh/mi. I thought the battery would warm up after 5 or 10 minutes of driving but it is still very sensitive to the throttle pedal and speed. Maintaining a constant speed even if it is higher seems to consume battery at a lower Wh/mi than accelerating to that speed frequently from a slower speed in traffic.
Another interesting thing I notice in my 2022 Model Y is that the regen end of the bar doesnt have dots and is solid but still seems to use the brakes to slow down (have the brake usage option turned on in the absence of regen braking) and regen level is set to hold. Any idea why this might be happening?
Thanks!
You don't see the dots because you've opted to use the brakes to augment the regenerative braking. If you watch the regen bar when you let off the accelerator, it will be green at first, but when the brakes kick in, the bar will switch to grey (if memory serves me correctly). The point where the color changes is where the dots would start. You can always switch back to the no brake assist option if you want to get a quick look at the dots.
@@patrickshelley09 Thanks, I turned the auto brake option and did see the dots (started out today in 40F weather). So do you have a suggestion on how to maintain a lower Wh/mi while driving in cold weather? It takes quite a while for the regen dots to become a solid line, which, I believe, is when the motors and battery are warm enough to become more efficient.
@@jbirdm If the trip is longer than 30 or 40 miles, preheat the car. Spirited acceleration will heat the battery. You could set navigation to a supercharger and it will heat the battery. But all of those will drive up your wh/mi. This is my first winter with my model 3. Either preheat before you leave or set your charging time to finish just before you leave. If you are going to leave the car for a bit and it's not on a charger, set the climate to keep. Other than that, drive slower and use as much regen as possible.
@@patrickshelley09 Thanks. I wish Tesla had done more to insulate the battery in addition to the heat pump to improve efficiency. I have seen driving at 75 mph caused a much higher Wh/mile usage, which would be a heavier factor for higher battery usage while driving than the lack of battery insulation itself.
Great conversation guys! That is exactly why I make these videos - to share knowledge and experience. Have fun driving!
How are the winter tires holding up?
They are holding up very well. I checked tread after the first 7500 miles, when I swapped back to summer tires. I measured tread depth when I pulled them off last April. It was the same depth as the brand new summer tires went on in their place. I wish I would have taken a zero miles measurement to know the exact wear, but I wasn't thinking to study tire wear when I got them.
I like Driving a Corvette with No Catalytic Convertors, Heads, Cam, Full Exhaust, Super Charger, Headers. Loud, Fast and No emission Restriction. So much better than any experience an electric car will ever provide.
It's a much different car. There isn't a comparison. But I can say from experience that the Model Y is a lot easier to get in/out of for daily commuting.
@@JohnVanDeVoort I just wish the focus would be on Maximizing both ICE and Electric instead of going quixotically towards Electric. It will end in disaster if the nation follow Californias example (2035 Deadline)
Do you take a spare tire on road trips?
I have not used the spare yet. I do have a second set of tires that I use to swap between winter and summer driving. I would either contact roadside assistance if I’m a road trip or just replace tires if local and have a flat.
Does your model Y have a heat pump❓ That should have an effect...
Yes, it does. To my knowledge, all large-scale production Model Y's (those sold since March 2020) have had the heat pump.
Time to invest in another camera that is used solely to focus on the car’s screen. 🙂
No - that is total user error. I didn’t catch it all during the edit. Autofocus was capturing my hands and not the screen.
Fix your focusing
Done. I switched to manual focusing and reshot some of the in-car footage when I noticed during the edit. I didn't catch it all - thank you for the recommendation.
@@JohnVanDeVoort other than that great job man