TTC subway trains on Line 2 are nearing the end of their lifespan
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- Опубліковано 4 гру 2024
- The lack of funding to replace eighty trains on the Bloor-Danforth line has raised concerns about safety, in the wake of the Scarborough RT derailment in July. Mark McAllister reports.
For anyone wondering, this is completely false. Previous train models have lasted up to 35 years and that usually happens since they get a rebuild plus the youngest of these trains are only 23 years old. These trains haven't even received a rebuild yet and to say they're unsafe is an overstatement. Using Line 3 as an example is so mind-boggling as the two lines are completely different. Line 2 is a heavy rail line, while Line 3 was a light metro line using trains that weren't even designed to last 38 years.
Realistically we should get newer trains since they have never components, so we don't stick with the old signal system for this long, but to create mass hysteria saying this entire line that connects Scarborough and Etobicoke is unsafe and dangerous, is completely unreal.
These top grade aluminum body, Canadian workhorses are in perfect condition and can last another 50 years! The government just wants to spend spend spend as always1!11!
If you go to NYC, they still use subway cars from the 70s and 80s like the R46s and R68s
You ignore the backlog of repairs, the Line 2 extension, which requires more trains, more maintenance, the signals need changing as well. This will take YEARS at this rate probably another decade, and by then, whoopsies, you're out of time.
So no this is not "completely false". The difference being people like me fix problems when they're minor, whereaa people like you wait till the walls and ceiling are crumbling in before you notice there's a problem, which also increase costs.
@@EVIL-C My point was that the news shouldn't be fear mongering the public making it seem these trains are at the brink of falling apart. Not that we should avoid getting new trains. Especially if these trains do end up receiving rebuilds, they can last another 10-15 years depending on the circumstances at hand.
Getting the new trains would be the most beneficial option. Like I said with my original comment, we'd be able to replace that 50s signalling system, (We can't replace those signals now, even if we had the funding, unless we heavily modify the T1s to support the newer signalling system.) With governments stubborn as they are with actually befitting cities, and the country itself, it doesn't seem getting new trains is actually going to an option any time soon. We should get new trains ASAP literally due to inflation, considering to replace that amount of T1s is already 2.6 billion dollars. But if there's currently a cheaper option, in this case a rebuild program, then they'll probably go for that option.
Needing new trains for the Line 2 extension is a weird argument I keep seeing tossed around. Greenwood yard is at capacity, hence why they reopened Vincent Yard, (the extra set of tracks between Keele and Dundas West Stations), to occasionally store trains there. I can see in some sense why we would need extra trains to have the entire line at capacity, but for that to even happen we would need a new yard. The Toronto Rockets (the Line 1 Trains) can't navigate through Greenwood Yard, as the turns are too tight for the bellows, and assuming the new train is going to come with many of the same features as the the Rockets, we can't really order them without a new place to store them, or we remove features on the new train, that are already on the Rockets, to satisfy operations at Greenwood Yard. There have been plans to build a new TTC yard at Obico, (a former Canadian Pacific yard located south of Kipling Station at North Queen Street, that is now currently owned by the Metrolinx) but it's uncertain that development is going to start now. Supposedly if we got the order for the new trains, development would start as soon as they can. Which is ironic when you think about it.
Yes all this mass hysteria
I prefer the old trains mainly because you can look out the front
And they work very well they are reliable
The T1 subways may be old, but they are truly a Toronto subway icon. It's a train us 2000's kids grew up riding. They have served Toronto for so many years. They will truly be missed in the future.
The T1 was my childhood ever since it was running on Line 1.
Nah, when we see a new and much more clean/comfortable subway entering service, T1 would be forgotten right away
The T1s were indeed memorable. Since it was the last TTC model that had public view on the front portion of the train. One of the key features that made this train special which was scrapped when the TR came in 2011.
This doesn't make sense at all. Lets take it back to the H6. So basically right now, the T1s are about the same age as when the H6s retired in 2014. Me personally, retiring the H6 when it's only about 28 years old doesn't seem to be a good idea. Because, things get pretty useless when you retire trains that can still survive for another 10-15 years, not only that but it's also called wasting money. And upgrading the signals to ATC, just like on Line 1 is also a waste of funding. If the TTC is doing this to the T1s, similarly to how they did it to the H6s, things don't go that well, as like I said, it's a waste of funding. We don't need new trains as of right now to replace the T1s, they're still pretty much at an age where they can still live for around another 10-15 years or so. And about the H6s, if the TTC kept them running until the present day, it wouldn't be a waste of money at all, except the TTC could do some major upgrades, such as installing LED destination signs, do some refurbishment and overhauls, etc to keep the H6s and T1s to live more longer. Until they're ready to be retired and had enough funding to afford the new subway trains.
The H6 retired at 24-28 because we got enough funding to replace them with new Toronto Rockets, despite getting rebuilt from 2006-2009. Though they retired a little earlier than most trains, it was a good move in the end cause it led the TTC to make Line 1 fully ATC by pushing the T1s off Line 1.
Leave them alone, the T Series are doing fine and bring back the H Series
Not to mention the H6 trains lasted 28 years, and the T1 have last about as long as the H6s, we could have had those trains for another 5 years if they said in 2014 “trains end their life after 30 years”
These trains are younger than me.....I remember them being new in the 90's when I was in high school. To me that's not old
We're still running trains from 1976 in Montreal. Saying the T1s are at the end of their life is ridiculous.
that's nice, but we don't do that in toronto. last time we had trains from the 1970s was just over a decade ago, because our trains have a natural lifespan of 30 years, and while I'd much rather they kept those 1970s trains much longer than that, I'm 100% vehemently against keeping the T1s much longer given that their predecessors didn't get to enjoy the same luxury.
I would imagine too that since some of Toronto's subway stations are above ground, in Montréal all is underground, the trains get damaged from the elements.
The difference is the Montreal Metro is completely underground. Toronto is underground and on the surface.
These Canadian Built Trains are good for at least 50 years with upgrades over One Million Dollars Each when New . Majority of True Canadians Love those Subway Trains ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Everything last minute. They had all the time in the world to transition brand new trains on line 2.
Line 1 was the priority, or did you forget that over the past decade?
Dude, these things still have time left. Do you know how long trains last?
Last minute is the best thing to do.
@@JB0i it most definitely is not when you have a lead time of nearly 10 years from the moment the order is placed to the moment the last of the new trains arrive. They NEED to place the order ASAP to be able to replace the last of the T1s 10 years from now (yes, these things still have time left, just the right amount of time that makes it necessary to place the order now).
What’s wrong with this subway model, it’s perfectly fine
Well... as the video said they are old that makes it harder to find replacement parts and shortens the lifespan. Plus orders need to happen now specifically because usually it takes 10+ years to fill a order and or get atleast the first of your new models. Think of the H5s they were run down bad when taken out of service we don't want the T1s to be in bad shape cuz there's nothing to fall back on. There's enough TRs for line 1 enough T1s for line 2 that's about it give or take a few.
I love these cars. They can still run. They don’t need to be retired.
I have to agree poor reporting. A lot of trains in Europe get a major retro at 25 years and that would give them another 20 years of service.
The trains on line 2 are as good as new. No need to replace, just repair them on time. Don't give money to Chow make her do her work. Toronto city hall has a lot of dough.
Blame chow when it was tory meesed up this city
@@jordencoles5313 She is not competent than? Obviously it's what you're implying.
@@TheRaidoRune no I am implying she hasn't done a budget yet since this year's budget was passed by Tory but to blame her for everything is what right wing morons are doing me as a centerist have to wait and see what she does for a budget
Toronto city hall rakes up a lot of money. It's only a mater of properly managing them.
@@TheRaidoRune And yet its consistently most often the right wing trickle down does who can't manage money. 1980 called: it wants its discredited economic theory back.
The old trains can live another 10-15 yrs. The issue is that there are extension projects (Yonge North extension and Scarborough extension) under development. We will need more trains to run the new sections of lines when the extension projects are complete (in 10yrs-15yrs?), otherwise, we will have worse headway, and people will have to wait longer between trains. The time between the contract being signed and the train's delivery will most likely take another 8-10 years based on the TR experience. Plus, don't think it is economically feasible to equip the T1 trains with CBTC equipment (given that they might be replaced in the near future-10yrs) if we are going to implement Line 2 with ATC.
DO NOT WAIT FOR THE TRAIN TO FALL APART LIKE LINE 3
They won’t, they can just refurbish the T1’s and give them a whole 10 to 12 years of lifetime. Many other transit agencies around the world have trains that are over 40 years old and are still living because of refurbishments.
the train didn't fall apart 🤷♂
It wasnt the train it was the tracks due to lack of maintenance dingus
Justin Trudeau: "Ukraine needs more money"💰
1) TAX the rich and make them pay their fair share
2) increase taxes on businesses
3) "crippled" is an ableist word!
Trudeau need to stop giving money to other countries and look at what's happening in his country in Canada he's a big disappointment
You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. 🤦♂️
Trudeau has nothing to do with Subway funding.
Secondly, Canada only gives 0.7% of its entire GDP in foreign aid. That's less than 1%.
Go on Google and do some basic fact-checking before you come into these comments section and rant like a lunatic.
So? Buy new ones whts your point. .?
How do you buy something without money?
@@TheBrimleyTripper wht makes you think tht? You actually believe the news? Lol haaaaaaahaaaa
@@TheBrimleyTripper real question is why buy something if our current trains work fine 😠
@@ryzennav nah tmmrw it will derail just like how I derailed by bus in McNicoll
@@Out-Cast75 well I don't think a certain politician is going to give up their vacations for us to get our subways
New York is running trains built in the 70s-80s and we are complaining for no reason the t1 trains are more than good enough even an h6 will do fine in2024
old trains are cooler than the new ones
You know what, I actually think it's about time that Line 2 starts having TRs do service full time & not when the T1's AC malfunctions. Even if the TRs cannot be stored at Greenwood because of the sharp turns it still seems doable if Wilson also shares in the responsibility of serving Line 2 with Greenwood just like Davisville serving Line 1 & Line 4. The reason I say Wilson instead of Davisville is because it's a shorter distance to Lower Bay as opposed to going to & from Union Station from Davisville prior to Lower Bay. Yeah so I think it's about time there should be TRs on Line 2 because it'd also be nice to move from 1 car to another without getting off the next stop or going through the middle door at the end of the car like some crazy people. TRs can be in Line 2 from when the T1s are retiring to when Line 2 has the T1's replacement
yeah, but theyd have to reverse one at a time every time they get to sg or museum, thats inefficient asf.
27 years doesn’t seem that long for a subway train. TFL has much older tube trains and so do other European cities. I suspect TTC wants new trains that are cheaper to maintain because they haven’t the proper funding to maintain what they have. Look at the state of TTC Stations and you will see the system is not properly funded by the city. Which is why I believe a regional body with a proper funding structure should run the trains, subways, streetcars and buses like many large metro areas around the world.
I love these cars they still have more life in them
We've got EMU trains here in belgium still running (although very few) that were built in 1936, trains are capable of lasting a very long time.
I think short term, refurbish them. That will allow them to run for another 10 - 15 years. Then in the 2030s, we completely shut down line 2 and convert it to automated metro like singapores mrt or sydneys metro
bro 27 years is nothing for a subway
I prefer the Line 2 train than the Line 1 train. The seats feel more comfortable
Start rebuilding them.
Honestly, these trains do not look too old. 27 years does not seem like a lot of time if trains are given proper maintenance.
The city, province and feds ALWAYS wait until the last minute to replace their fleet
subway trains can be used for up to 50 years. this is happening everywhere around the world. TTC just wants new trains..
When it was the first time that I heard it when they are talking about Line 2 Trains which were nearing the end of their lifespan, it made me like I wanted to move or immigrate to another country rather than continuing to live in Toronto, Canada.
A big huge disappointment
It's a lie.
We really need a dedicated Federal/provincial transit funding for cars, maintenance and buses.
NYC is still running the R46 subway cars, built 1975-78. The T1s are not that old and they should be able to handle service for at the very least another decade.
Unfortunately the TTC retired cars very similar to the R46 just over a decade ago (many of which were built at the same time as the R46, and some at the same time as the R68), so it makes perfect sense to retire the T1s at the same age range (35-40). And yes, the T1s do have another decade before they reach that age range (if we get funding for replacements hopefully soon, the last T1 should retire in 2034/2035), so it checks out.
Maybe if governments would stop giving millions to Ukraine then we could have new trains.
I'm curious what a T2 car would look like
Same carbody as the T1 (with slight variations possible), potentially different interior & different propulsion. That's all.
Which is why calling the TRs T2s is so blatantly wrong (it'd be far more accurate to call the T1s H7s since the H-cars & T1s all have the same overall carbody, but with variations like width of doors/windows, eyebrows, gates, etc, whereas the TR design has nothing in common with the H-cars or the T1s except being the same width & height & similar length).
TTC should procure rolling stock in Japan especially from J-TREC which is one of the great rolling stock manufacturers in Japan owned by JR East. Or perhaps in Kawasaki Heavy Industries that also produces rolling stock as used in the NYC Subway R211 which is also using 3rd rail electrification.
Please bring back H4 H5 H6
The ttc still has h4s but their work cars, so if the h series were to come back the h4s would be most likely. Their are also h5s but most are scrapped, there are some h5s left but the ttc doesn't own them anymore, so it would be very unlikely for the h5s to come back. And I don't even think their is a single ex ttc h6 left in existence but I think their are some h6s still alive in Ankara so maybe. But i dont think the Ttc will do so. So its also insanely unlikely.
Hoping they refurbish the t1 train super fast and look beautiful to me, toronto icon
The busses could not keep up with the amount of passengers that normally take the subway line 2 they can't rebuild them with nee modern technology new modern cabins ad screens that shows maps stations that are out of service in real time
I hate the separated subway cars on line 2. Feeling even more trapped with the crazy people when they start freaking out.
Wouldnt you feel the same in a car, bus or streetcar? Ur just claustrophobic
redsilver8037 it seems like you hate the t1s
Why are these things not planned and budgeted long in advance. Now its a scramble to get money as if it comes as a surprise
In my opinion, I think these trains could last for another 10 years until the Line 2 East Extension opens.
and meanwhile we are spending money in ukraine when our own citizens dont have basic needs met
I wonder what would happen if we threw in nyc’s new R211 cars on line 2. Can nyc cars fit on our tracks? I think toronto subway track width is a north american standard if I’m not mistaken.
please dont americanise us any further then we are
@@MarcusCollins69 ? What are you on about? We share the same train track standard in both countries. All that would be needed to save cost is to just borrow new yorks new articulated cars which will most likely fit on our tracks instead of bombardier having to make more.
@@JDintheDMV and you're suggesting wr get American trains from an American city
Stop trying to make is any more American
I don't want the American government having any more control over us cause thatll just lead to our annexation
@@MarcusCollins69 Our buses are TTC use buses from NEW FLYER industries (NFI) which are used in port authority NY, and New Jersey. Someone has a hate on for the states 🤣 Get used to it. Doug ford is our premier 🤣
Nah ttc subway cars are really wide compared to nyc
Can we get Olivia Chow to fix the commute for everyone. Like I have to go to work extra early just to make it in on time. Than going home during rush hr has become more of a rush couple hrs. The constructions, the detours, buses constantly going put of service and people waiting over 30 minutes for buses or streetcars! This is complete ridiculousness! 3 hrs to get to and from work when it takes an 2 hrs to walk to and from work. How is the ttc any use.. we need a solution not a bandage
I mean they could be converted into some cool housing units when they're actually too old to run. But I think they have a lot of life left in them. Who is deciding they're too old to run?
Una ciudad tan grande tiene que tener un subway más amplio
I think that line 2 should have the new rocket trains from line 4 because line 4 doesn’t need them. Line 2 is very busy and should take the newer trains from line 4.
the line 4 trains are shorter, 4 cars instead of 6. Also line 4 needs the new cars because it runs on atc, which the older t1's dont have.
The Toronto Rockets Cant Go on line 2 Because There are Sharp Turns At Greenwood
@@stephensalloum7763 oh ok
My right ear enjoys the audio but my left ear feels left out. ;(
so true
Are the G1's still running?
no, retired in 1990
@@MarcusCollins69 Why? Now I am sad.
@@craigs1437I don't work for the ttc?
I'll just assume they're just too old and too costworthy for the TTC to keep repairing/upgrading and just to keep running, etc
same as the M1, H1-6
The bottom line is the subways of Toronto can't handle the massive population that continues to grow.
Peition to have news media cite all the sources.
We have gotten soft, the trains are fine, they just look old and feel old, nothing a little refurbishment cant fix (plus its cheaper). Plus Line 5 is going to relive alot of the line 2 riders.
The city needs to implement a special levy for TTC equipment replacement that has an infinite timeline. Make the millions of new immigrants pay for it through their taxes and let the greedy landlords pay for it through their taxes. Let the larger exploitive corporations that control the Ford government pay for it through municipal taxes!
So in other words they'll be in operation for another 2 decades
2 and a half to three billion dollars. Oh! In Metrolinx speak that means 5 to 10 billion dollars and 20 years past the least optimistic date for replacement with five years of defect repair under a cone-of-silence even Maxwell Smart could not overcome!.
How about use the trains of line 1 on line 2
i have seen that happened before
Then you wouldn't have enough trains for line 1.
Line 2 trains cannot be operated on line 1 without ATC control.
They only go to Line 2 rarely. The trip from Wilson yard to Line 2 isn't that worth it, and besides, Line 2 isn't in need of trains with capacity yet. Plus, the Line 2 trains aren't falling apart anytime soon despite what the media says.
Nooooo! I grew up with the T1’s and I liked Susan Bigioni’a voice announcement as well!
The metro in Montreal wipes the floor with the TTC.
City news fear mongering hahahahaha. These trains are reliable and great love em. Keep em going. These are your typical look subway. Gonna miss that when they do retire.
LRT was a complete mess. Cant even compare. Those things were not maintained well at all. Noisy and beat up tracks. Those trains were long overdue for a change.
City who’s editing your videos are mono
Nyc and Paris are doing fine … there’s always issues in Toronto. 🙄
They should just improve and build a better and newer version of the T1 Bombardier that's my opinion
Is Chloe a male or female I can’t tell
Not line 2 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😭😭😭😭😭
The T1 was my childhood ever since they were on Line 1 (Yonge University Spadina) I used to ride it from Downsview to St. Patrick Station along time ago to go to Sickids hospital. At first when I rode the TTC subway, I thought these trains were the 1995 Stock trains that are used on the London Undergrounds. I will never forget that day. I remember these trains were my favourite and they were everywhere before the Toront Rocket. I don’t know why but I liked these trains better then the old Hawker Siddeley H5 trains back when they were still running. Glad they were able to serve the Line 2 (Bloor Danforth) for a few years and also gives ne the chance to see them. These trains will be truly missed.
Biggest bs ive ever heard
Its thier own fault too if less ppl are riding its not reliable the ttc shuts doen random stn and a trains dont show up on time i live 15 kin from work and i csnt even trust them yo get me there on time i wish they wiuld get taken iver privetly and on tip on that they keep uping the price
It's time to go futuristic lol
Most countries have trains that are 40-50 years old. 25 is nothing, and are in their prime. Total propaganda to gaslight the public into thinking we need to replace these trains which we do not.
Bombardier→Alstom
Celebrate retirement.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
brb