00:00:00 Sentencing: WI v Nicolae Miu, Apple River Stabbings Trial 00:01:46 State 00:23:10 Defense 01:25:36 Nicolae Miu Reads Statement 01:28:42 Judge Delivers Sentence #CourtTV Did the judge get it right?
No those teens should have left him alone Yes he should not have stabbed them but they didn't have to mentally and emotionally and physically abuse him
Being wrong is stating something that's not factual. Murdering, is killing. Big difference. He is at fault. If you're not emotional grown at his age to turn from rowdy, non violent teens who call you names, there's something WRONG
*EXACTLY!* *not only has The political tension in America ignited youth to make really brought assumptions about average middle-aged men but I genuinely believe it was those kind of assumptions that ignited this whole thing! Claiming that he was a pervert and that he was trying to look for children to touch and calling him a paedophile while they ganged up on him and bullied him* *normal teenagers who were raised with self-respect and dignity would've left the poor man alone and have they seen him wheeling and knife they would've had the smarts to get back rather than engage him in an attack ...* *I do not believe this man is a murderer. I believe he was genuinely all struck by insurmountable cruelty. This group of arrogant teenagers were capable of in the public humiliation got to be too much for him and he reacted.... *Foolish, yes, but I still can't help but believe had this entire interaction from beginning to end been recorded most of the children would be at fault for this entire event !!!*
I thought the exact same thing. I think the real culprits got away. I promise you, I would have done what ever I could to come out alive. This is so wrong‼️
Pretty clear also that you only see one side and that is dangerous. It seems to me that you would behave just like he did. And even sadder is, if you have kids and you've taught them the same. So wrong. De escalate by leaving. You walk away. Simple. You don't drink, as he did, if in water number one and two, you walk away in any such situation.
Kids will be kids (not saying their behavior was right) but he was the older adult and most definitely should have walked away the video showed he had multiple opportunities to do so before things escalated. Also his conduct afterwards surely didn't help him. His lack of remorse and smiles while on the stand also didn't help him.
Those “kids” could have had other kids. How in the world would refer to them as kids? Even our courts don’t consider them as “kids” when those “kids” commit a crime they are being charged as ADULTS. You get that? There are kids and there are young adolescents. These were no kids.
I love how they continue to paint those kids as 'good boys and girls' with the amount of footage to prove they werent. They even blatantly lied on the stand. Awful awful human beings. If they are the future we really are doomed.
The fact that the guy who was filming wanted to film because he’s going to put it on the internet makes him an instigator that encouraged the others to keep harassing him.
I’m MUCH more scared of those “kids” walking free in Society than this man. The fact those attackers are going to be free in society to attack more people scares the crap out of me for my parents and older people who could be victims to their abuse and violence.
Can we please remember that one young man is dead because this man plunged a knife into him, so what happens if he gets into a road rage incident with the next group of people? Does the knife come out again?
No the judge didn’t get it right!!!! These young punks had no business bullying this man, although he shouldn’t taken someone’s life he allowed his emotions to get the best of him. Where’s the accountability of these young people ? They were drunk and unfortunately things really got out of control. It’s a sad situation all the way around.
@nickicapetola5149 100% agree. This case really, really bothers me. I wish the Prosecutor would stop calling them “boys”. These were adults- drinking, bullying, obnoxiously intoxicated adults. They were not innocent little boys. 🤬
I can’t stand to hear the prosecutor lie! He didn’t punch that girl in the face. They act like they were all innocent in this. They were a group of bullies!!!
None of those punks even saw him hit her…she hit him! Involved herself, yelling in his face. Pushed him! Can see that on the video! They acted like a pack of wolves! Outraged.
@@crippledalien5937 absolutely!!! This disgusts me so much!!! They walk away with no consequences for their actions. Not even an underage drinking fine. Unreal
You all realize that moment was caught on video, right? We all saw her get decked. Help me understand, are you all protesting this because you created your own realities? Believe in conspiracies? Are hypocritical, bitter boomers?
This isn't a justice. He doesn't deserve 20 years. Not saying he was right for doing the action but some of these kids have no respect. They literally ganged on him. What if they drowned him if he didn't defend himself? They all seemed to snap into reality once one of them got hurt. Maybe it's a wake up call for these teens to treat others with respect. If this man was a violent criminal, he could've easily attacked rest of the group viciously, which he did not do. This is a disgrace to justice.
Two large groups of people screaming, yelling, laughing, pushing you down onto water and rocks. Yet was wrong for fighting for his own life ? So so much wrong with this case and verdict. This is a disgrace of our justice system.
He was hovering around the Kids walking like some drunk robot; in truth he was behaving in a creepy manner; of course the Kids were obnoxious but murder? He could have just walked away wisely and asked to speak with the tube park's park manager -- one doesn't go back for more with a knife in tow unless planning to use. His demeanor indicates someone who was mixing alcohol with some meds.
@@Cfrank81 so you ignore everything the evidence that all those kids did was call him names they weren't violent and facts matter HE walked up on them HE started the entire situation he never told them what he was doing HE hit a female because she dared to tell him to stop. I can't believe how many people bought this guy's bs the evidence shows otherwise. He's angry non stop he killed an innocent boy over words?
@@amyvanzandt6229I agree with you 100% but as a parent I also tell my young adult children that words matter and words have consequences. I teach them people are dangerous and it’s just not worth it. They definitely didn’t deserve his rage but we do have to teach our kids to watch their words. No excuse in his actions at all! Please understand I’m not saying that at all. It’s sad what happen to these kids.
@@amyvanzandt6229 The only bs here are your comments. No man at his age and with his health issues, goes around starting fights with a bunch of teenagers. The idiot kids, and they were all incredibly stupid, started the physical contact. They were pushing and punching the guy and recording it for their UA-cam channels. He didn't have to tell them what he was doing. He was in a public space in a free country. He had every right to be there, minding his own business not bothering anyone. There was no evidence that he struck a female; however, the evidence did show her shouting and yelling in his face, but there was no evidence that he ever struck her. And the idiot kid that was killed was not innocent. The evidence showed that he struck the old guy a couple of times. And there was some imbecile there who kept laughing and egging these morons on and yelling, "it's for the culture, it's for the culture' while he was recording the juvenile delinquents.
They were shouting that he was a pedo,if I was accused of that in front of lots of people I would be terrified not to mention how already scared he was after been assaulted numerous times. The man went into fight/flight mode because he feared for his life. Yet again no accountability for the bunch of animals,this generation really is something else. Accountable for nothing but offended by everything.
PTSD also from his childhood. This may have contributed to his fear. The English language barrier was also a factor. I believe that also impacted the jury decision. If he was an American born and bred, took the stand and explained exactly what Nic did, he would’ve been acquitted! Disgraceful! Jury definitely got this wrong.
I wish "video boy" faced some type of charge for inciting the lynching of an old man for literally doing nothing, even if the old man did not manage the situation well, he was not looking for trouble that day. "Video boy" is the reason his friend is dead. We saw the same on the case of the girl who got stabbed by another girl while another "video boy" incited violence and recorderd the whole thing. The judge did mention that video boy by name while sentencing the girl, saying he didn't understand why he was not charged as he was also respnsable. I was hoping this judge would do the same. Truth is violence incites violence. Anyone verbally or otherwise bullying another human being even in schools, should stop acting shocked when someone dies or gets killed as a result, because the fact is, many people in that situation do not just walk away.
That's been my stance from when I first watched the testimonies. But one day, the full weight will break Video Boy and the young lady who had oh so much to say. I do not condone the Def.'s actions after the horrific events. All involved had a huge hand in the outcome. Who made a correct decision in this matter? Mob reaction is real and dangerous. I feel sorrow for both families and for different reasons.
@@ritayammouni2803 That's not true..that doesn't sound right. How you going to walk away when you keep being pushed into the water. Did you not watch the video? The guys should of been charged for assault. Hope he appeals!
Young punks that were legally drunk but were never charged with underage drinking despite blood tests proving they were drunk. None of them are/were outstanding citizens.
Agree this judge was side with those people who start from the beginning to bully him is a crime the did to him they look for this tragedy when humiliated him he need a fair trial with a fear judge to look those nasty and spoiled young people
I watched this trial from the beginning Not condoning what Nick did , but those kids provoked him. The kids pushing into the water and called him a pedo. 20 yrs is a harsh sentence. This man will die in prison. He already looks sick
His hovering around them was creepy. Sorry but it is true. He just needed to walk away and report them all. They were all being obnoxious of course. He blew it continuing it all and then getting the knife. Awful. His murdering the kids was demonic.
They were not kids, but they were most definitely much younger than him. Was he expected to have bit more patience? Yes. Hes mich older than them, understood life and has had more life expereinces than them. Them mocking him was proof. They were immature, rude and petulant. But what excuse did he have? At the initial point of confrontation, he shouldve just left. But he chose not to. Then he came back with a knife. Was that rsally necessary? What if he had just walked away and gave them the finger? Would he be in the position hes in now? Most likely not. Stop condoning the actions of a killer. Hes been convicted in a court of law, have a seat.
The blame doesn’t fall solely on him. I feel like the kids who were filming, laughing, and instigating the situation should be held responsible as well. Nobody wins in this situation and everyone was at fault that day. I pray the family of the victim finds some kind of peace also
I feel the same way. At this point in America, "kids" need to be steered clear of when they are disrespectful, acting "inappropriately" both of these words are euphemisms for what the behavior was/is.
@@HaVoKisthebetterSuMmErS I’m not taking away from the young man died and don’t believe that anyone deserved to die. But, if you actually watched the videos, those kids were instigating him, ALL OF THEM. And I didn’t say he didn’t deserve his punishment but what I am saying is those people need to be held accountable too. They instigated that man which resulted in their friend’s death. The blame doesn’t fall solely on him. They were also drinking and underage. Reread my comment.
@@HaVoKisthebetterSuMmErS yep and the boulder is the fact that there should be more people charged than him. But I said what I said and I stand behind it. So we are gonna have to agree to disagree.
I feel for this man. I believe he regrets that day himself. He looks a shadow of his former self. You could take what the prosecutor says and turn it around into... the teenagers could have stopped/walked away instead of ganging up on the man.
HE Approached THEM TWICE he never as an adult explained why his reaction were NOT justified and kid died and he sits angry boohoo. He never once said leave me alone I have a knife he never left he stabbed unsuspecting victims. Stop blaming the victims a boy DIED
@amyvanzandt6229 na you can't say anything to a gang to young people. They would have killed him if he said he had a knife. These kids needed to be charged as well.
@@amyvanzandt6229 I’m blaming the living.,, The young man who loss his life was engaging also. IF those Young Adults hadn’t bullied him, There wouldn’t be any need for him to defend himself. Now ask yourself if that was You or say your elderly granny/ or poppy.,, What would you do⁉️( Same scenario just you and poppy)
I think some of those "kids" should be charged because they started it by harassing Miu and kept it going. Plus they were illegally possessing alcohol & were drunk though they were underage. They need to be held accountable for their actions as well.
@@kathryncrisler5070 they were minding their own business in their own part of the lake on their tubes until Mr Stabber turned up looking for his friends phone, the kids were in their own space doing their own thing until that point.
@@samwallaceofscotland Did they own that part of the lake? Was he trespassing? Why did they have to start bullying him? The kids started it! Those kids need to bare some of the blame. Yes he should not have done what he did but if I ever saw a bunch of kids bully someone it was them on that video.
It's a poor example for the younger generation. The court has the authority to correct this and demonstrate that such behaviour will not be tolerated in this country. This individual is simply going about his own business, people should not have the right to harass or humiliate him and escape consequences.
@@pjtagle7731 he wasn't going about his own business when he entered their space and repeatedly chose to antagonise them and the situation instead of walking away or even engaging in conversation with them, ask if they could help look, not just encroach on them and their belongings, feeling underneath them in the water while just staring and mumbling. They're kids, they're going to take advantage of that scenario calling him out for feeling them up, didn't deserve to die or be scarred for life.
He approached them, he took the first punch making a verbal interaction physical, listen to the details! Just because someone says something that you don't like doesn't mean that you can do this to them. Get real!
@@sharonnorris9291 no the kids told him to leave but he walked a little ways and then come back at them. I blame it on the adult not the kids. They didn't have knife or weapons to protect their self like this man did. I don't believe his story on looking for a phone either. I believe he was looking for young girls
As much as I really liked this Judge I don't agree with the length of the sentencing. I think it should have been less. We all saw the video NOBODY involved was innocent.
@@BoyMama87 you have people who have been in prison for over 30 years due to the 3 strikes law. non-violent offenders. some on marijuana charges. they never killed anyone either or had a weapon. now that is painful.
I hope he appeals because we all seen the bullies pushing him in the water. How do you physical walk away with out defending yourself! It was 5 against 1! Something is fishy about the jury!
@@Nixxi6 - The "killer" who was a senior citizen, survivor of a quadruple-bypass, surrounded by a young, belligerent mob who were in his face and knocked him to the ground before he began to defend himself. Just exactly how weak and disadvantaged does someone need to be before they are allowed to defend themselves in your opinion...?
Exactly 💯 i cant believe he got all that time since the young kids initiated things first..So Pretty mych what the courts are saying that was Okay for what they done to That Man! When he Snapped back Now its a Fuk'n Problem Smfh 😢 The justice system sucks sometimes!
i would have dropped nic the first 5 seconds of the video for sprinting at me threateningly. He was asked to leave. Stayed. Slapped a girl in the face. then stabbed 5 people. He incited the violence. are you just dumb or stupid?
This man will not survive in prison. He has a Dog he loves with all his heart & has battled so many life threatening health issues. He was taunted by belligerent adolescents & he snapped. He doesn’t deserve the sentence he’s been given. I think the Judge spoke well & made it quite apparent that the Defendant, other than this avoidable & tragic incident, is good person.
No one who carries a machete in his car is a good guy. If this man was younger and black with that weapon what would you say his sentence should be? Anyone who uses a knife to hurt, self defence or not, is not someone I want to be around.
I am on Team Nic, but he shouldn't have lied after what happened. I think that hurt him and his self-defense claim immensely. Poor guy will be behind bars for quite a long time.
I think he embellished because he didn't know how to articulate the level of fear and being surrounded and feared they wouldn't understand the grave sense of danger he felt he was in at the time. it's a cruel twist of fate that he didn't know there was video evidence because the video shows the reality but his conduct and embellishments after the fact, as you said, hurt the self defence claim.
I watched this entire trial. It is appalling that this man was found guilty. Every one of those teens had a contributing factor into escalating this to the point of the stabbing. I totally believe this man was scared. It was totally self defense. Almost all of the teens lied on the stand, and that was proven by the video. This guy looks like he could die any day now. The justice system did not work properly here. This was one of those cases where rumor and lies won the case for the state. Those teens and this DAs office should be ashamed for what they did to this man. IF those kids had not insisted on raising it to the level they did, and be more interested in TikTok ratings .... no one would have been stabbed. I pray this man will appeal and get out of jail early.
yeah, the dude who murdered a kid could have either walked away OR been honest with police after. He undermined his own defense by lying about the knife AND throwing it away after the stabbing.
Did the judge and jury watch a different video of the altercation? Because the one I saw showed the teens were the first ones to escalate the argument from verbal to physical. 🤔
Then he opened up a teenager stabbed 4 more and got rid of the knife, went along about his business, lied to his friends and police and tried to rewrite the events of the day, but you're right some teens taunted him after he drunkenly ran up on them and started acting weird
@@VictoriaLynn59You’re a sick, sick woman Victoria. At your extremely ripe age, you should be well aware that words cant cause physical harm and dont justify murder.
20 years is incredibly unfairly excessive considering the circumstances. I do believe Mr. Miu genuinely feared for his life and safety in the heat of the moment. Six or 7 years would be more appropiate and ONLY IF the teens involved received sentences for their part in all this too.
The parents are largely to blame for not teaching their spoiled children not to get drunk in public, take drugs and harass strangers...they just ended up with the wrong person. It was only a matter of time...
Because the kids were not held accountable, they will continue with their bad behavior. They just got a free pass and will not see their contribution to a horrible situation and their friends death. However, eventually they will harass and bully the wrong person in their lives and it won’t work out well for them. What goes around always comes back around - whether we like it or not. It is a shame the kids aren’t going to learn that lesson now while they are young.
The common denominator in all this is alcohol. It is sad that people have to get drunk to escape from the cares of this world. He looks healthier here, (although very thin and frail),compared to the state he was in that day. It’s all very sad.
I cannot believe he was given 20 years, I thought maybe 5 at a push! I still can’t believe the kids involved weren’t reciprocally charged with inciting the incident.
@@GuiltyofCrime dude what sentence were you listening to? He got Count 1: 20 years, Count 2: 5 years, Count 3: 5 years, Count 4: 6 years, Count 5: 5 years and Count 6: 270 days. 5555 and five? He got 20,5,5,6,5 + 270 days to run concurrently.
@@alycia_hewer on the count one is where I did not hear 20 years. I only heard five years five years, five years, five years and five years so that being said, you would be correct if they all run concurrent with two years he will be out in like 17 years. He’s an old man and thanks for clarifying that. I did not count one of 20 years so thank you. I was trying to hear it but background noise. I was hoping somebody would clarify that.
My heart breaks for him. This was such a sad situation but too sadly the kids and their pack mentality were not held accountable for their actions and part in all of this.
I couldn’t agree more..this is so so sad for him! If I were surrounded by a teenage mob in a river hitting and pushing me down into the water and all I had were a knife I would use it to save myself..sorry but it’s facts. He was terrified
@@aprilstarr7219 If you killed and stabbed several people when you had plenty of opportunities to leave the "teenage mob", I would hope you would get at least 20 years. Why was he over there to begin with? If someone was calling me a pedo, and I was "terrified", I would leave and return to my group and maybe call the police. I think the young people that harassed and assaulted Miu should be held accountable. I feel sad for him, but I feel more sad for the family that lost someone. You Americans need to do better, and raise your children better.
If he was truly fearful, he would not have gone back to the kids with a knife. He would have rationally reported them OR gone back with the aid of his group at the very least. This is what DOESN'T make sense. WHY did he go back with a knife ALONE?
If the kids were so fearful of him they wouldn't have been walking up on him behind his back. They knew exactly what they we're doing period they were being bullies and they knew they had him outnumbered.
@@riseaboveit5236 Who said the kids were fearful of him? He deliberately kept his knife low so they wouldn't see it and realize the danger they were in. He is the one claiming self defense - not the kids.
@MizzzYasmin the kids themselves did because he was a rapper and a pedophile and acting creepy. The kids were nowhere around when the queens were in Nick's face. They were off in the distance safe until...... they approached him. That's right. They approached him. The Queen's approached him. That makes them the perpetrators and makes it self defense. The kids should have stayed where they were saved and not approaching Nick from behind his back and attacking him because someone says you can't hit a girl. And you can't believe that lie if you want but that is not at all what I saw on that video. Nick had the knife in his hand when speaking to the Queen's if Nick had attacked them he would have done it with the knife not his fist the kids got stabbed because they were attacking Nick. So sorry the trolls were in the wrong they were wrong from the beginning they were wrong to the end
@MizzzYasmin why would he want to show the knife to the kids? It was in plain sight unless they came up on his back which they did. they attacked him first over and over and over. They were afraid of him because he was a rapper and he was a pedophile and acting creepy, all of which was not true. They needed adults to come help them because they were so afraid. Go watch the video and testimony of Cockfield. As far as the stabbing goes pay special attention to when the Queens are in Nick's face and the kids are nowhere around. The kids walked up on Nic while his back was turned to them and they attacked him and don't give me bs about how he hit one of the girls that was not proven. How odd that the girl that gets punched manages to get up with their sunglasses still on her head beer in her hand and not even a bloody nose? Nic had the knife in his hand in plain sight. I can see it in the video. If Nick had intentions of attacking the trolls he would have stabbed the queen too. He did not start stabbing the trolls until the physically assaulted him. Any one of the trolls would have an advantage over Nic but they also had to grossly outnumbered him. How brave of them. If the bullies had not appointed themselves to the ethic committee and keep there mouths shut they would have floated on by uneventfully. Did you pay attention to cockfield admitting that they could have but choose not too?
@@riseaboveit5236 Have you ever witnessed a fight? It is common for people to display the weapon before using it. Why? Because it works quickly to de-escalate conflict without having to resort to violence. Did you watch the video? Did you see how quickly the kids back off when they saw the knife? He didn't have to actually use it to get this effect. Also - I encourage you to watch the video thoroughly. It is very clear that the kids did not see the knife until after the stabbings. It is obviously deliberate on Mui's part to keep the weapon concealed before use. This is part of the reason he will die in prison. Finally, Mui is the initial aggressor. He approached the kids, started grabbing their legs and pushing their tubs away. He is the first to cause someone to lose their footing and fall into the water. You can't start a conflict, be first to put hands on someone, escalate to extreme violence and then claim self defense. Again, another reason that he will die as a caged animal in prison.
I'm 77 years old, and I have seen kids acting like that. When I was a kid, all that guy had to do was walk away, kids act ignorant when they get to bed together.Especially if they have liquor
Being 74, you should be ashamed of yourself for blaming this man for the trouble these kids caused! You are WRONG. There are some who behave this way, but the majority do not, thank God. They were attacking him with ugly names and accusations. How DARE you say he should have just walked away. He should not have HAD to encounter this group of marauding jerks who intimidated him as they did. I don't know of any kids, including my own or nieces/nephews, neighborhood kids, friends kids, etc who would behave like THIS. I hope you find yourself, at 77, in his shoes, in a similar situation and we'll see how tough YOU are when being harassed and bullied and ganged up upon. I have a feeling YOU were just like these "kids" when you were younger....a self entitled snot who belittled others around you.
The fact that he could've walked away but his anger and need to attack, him being the adult, got the best of him, he deserves many years in jail. The man shows his rage clearly
the teens were initially charged with underage drinking but the judge dismissed those charges because of what they suffered at the hands of Nic. They didn't deserve any more punishment, you gober.
Self-defense has a limit. This man re-engaged after his supposed threat had ended. He also repeatedly lied about the situation. Many were wrong that day but he went too far.
@@crippledalien5937 They were all separating when he pulled out the knife and stabbed 5 people killing 1. They ALL in this situation were wrong. No one is coming out good on this. Everyone there has to live with their actions that day. But no one should have been stabbed. Then lied about it and acted like it didn't happen. I live in WI more than what is shown on UA-cam has been on TV here. This man didn't head out that day to stab people. But he went too far. Everyone there was foolish etc.
I wish the judge would have at the very least commented on the horrible actions of those kids and encourage them to make better choices in their lives.
My heart breaks for this man. how many could say what they would do if a group of taunting teenagers call a person a pedophile no one could say what might happen.its just sad all around.
What kind of snowflake are you that a group of kids could hurt your feeling bad enough to make you want to assault much less unalive them? You people are sick.
And the loudmouth Madison! Who involved herself yelling in his face pushing him. Not one punk testified they even saw him assault her. That sparked them to attack him…push him down. Miscarriage of justice here
The bottom line is he killed a teenage boy and injured 5 others, 2 of which would have likely died if not for bystanders providing medical attention. While I agree the boys shouldn’t have taunted him, it is still not justified to mame or kill them because of “words” they said. He was never in any real danger, he had the knife and they had no weapons. He should have never approached them or grabbed their rafts. He could have walked away at any time. He punched a girl in the face because she was verbally defending the teens. He never once tried to provide first aid to any of them, he just snuck off like a coward and tried to disguise himself. He lied to the police. He said he didn’t have a knife, which he obviously did. He showed no remorse until sentencing and in jailhouse calls to his brother he talked about the kids being belly up and used derogatory language about them. Just because he is older and has never been arrested does not give him the right to do what he did. There are consequences for your actions and he deserved the sentence he got. Personally I think he should have received life in prison without the possibility of parole. Isaac will never be able to walk this earth again and his family will suffer for the rest of their lives because he couldn’t handle being called a name. Teenage boys are rowdy and sometimes say inappropriate things. It’s a part of growing up, and if you think your child doesn’t act differently when they’re with their friends, then you are delusional. I don’t condone what they said at all, but at the end of the day they are ONLY words.
@@dinabrown1710 Thank you, it is awful that people don’t expect teenagers to behave like idiots sometimes. He should never have approached them, his friends didn’t. He deserved life without parole. You are 💯right anyone who thinks they know how their kids behave away from view of their parents in groups is kidding themselves. They were also good people too.
I can see the other side. Everyone says he should have walked away. Well the young adults should have done the same & not have taunted him to begin with. This ALL FIRST started with the young adults being drunk, approaching him, verbally taunting him, surrounding & then pushing him. None of this would have happened if they didn’t APPROACH him FIRST. They also bare responsibly for their actions however they walk away with injuries but free from any responsibility. Coming from a communist culture upbringing it leaves you scarred & traumatised. And what they did could have simply been a triggering moment for him to retaliate & make poor behaviour decisions. Remember some of the teens deleted their video recordings, accidentally by their account but who really knows as it could have shown us a different picture of what happened on that day.
Where, outside of this town in Wisconsin, would the behavior of those kids be considered wholesome? But what was equally as disturbing, was how easily they all lied under oath, in this judge's courtroom.
Its interesting how some people see Miu as the victim when he only suffered a bruised ego while he murdered one and maimed several others. He was a gun owner and enthusiast so there would have been even more carnage if he brought his guns. You cant take someone's life because they call you names and this angers you. If you can walk away from a situation, it is NOT self defense !
I am worried about him, he has lost so much weight. And he is absolutely right! Those horrible people are running free but he ended up in prison? It's unfair!
That's weird. You don't know this person. And he was and still is an adult. At any point he didn't need to approach them again. So weird to have such a poor me attitude for someone you don't know.
Unfair? He made the wrong choice of pulling out a knife. All he had to do was walk away and call the police. I think he feels bad but he gutted a kid with the knife said kid is dead.
This is one of the most UNJUST trials and sentencing I’ve ever witnessed. He was truly in fear for his life! How do you run or walk away in a river when surrounded by a group of bullies and mob?? It’s very sad what happened to them but he was fighting for his life and this is exactly WHY you shouldn’t do what those kids did and bully, threaten and attack someone! Not everyone will take it from you and sometimes they will defend themselves!! Where is our country going when you can’t defend your own life?? Im calling on The Innocence Project to help this man! This now has set a precedence that one cannot defend themselves in life and death without the fear of being convicted and sent to prison!! Such a disgrace of our so called justice system
I agree!! It’s bs what they did to him they were bullying and harassing this man! He was just defending himself, it’s those kids fault all this transpired from their actions period! This is unjust imo
Your idiotic comment says to charge someone for insulting a person but let off someone who murdered because he was insulted. How do you reconcile that in your tiny, little brain?
Bullshit. He ran up on them and accused them without evidence of stealing a phone and he apparently still believed that nonsense judging by his phone calls. He pulled a weapon and attacked, he lied over and over. Now we hear today that he had restraining orders on him. He's obviously a violent angry asshole.
@@Kimbalbc456 no he was looking for his phone or goggles and the obnoxious punks started yelling harassing and bullying him!! Those kids have no respect for anyone else, they should have been charged too imo
If those kids had not been nasty and aggressive, this tragedy would not have occurred. I think he had reason to be fearful and a right to defend himself. Shame on the teens and shame on the judge.
@@crippledalien5937 stabbing that one girl and punching another in the face you really think that was self defense . A man does not put his hands on a woman. Period.
There needs to be a new trial with a fresh jury and the DA needs to be removed from his office. It makes me sick to my stomach that charges were even filed against this guy. He was surrounded and assaulted by a mob of drunk out-of-control violent lunatics that treated him as their prey. And when he tried to walk away they continued to pursue and surround him for further taunting. The only option he had was to fight his way out. What the F is wrong with the derelict DA?
Those teenagers followed HIM!! They put hands on him first. And that loser lady who went over and yelled in his face LIED and said he hit her. Its no wonder she didn't want to testify in court, but they should've made her get up on that stand and tell the truth.
@@mscarolynnigro He did try to walk away. The mob of wild drunks pursued him like a pack of hyenas. Each one of those attackers should have been charged with criminal assault. The DA is not fit for office.
Remove the DA from office? Why? Because you don’t like the fact that charges were brought against a man who killed someone? So you think he should not have to answer for his actions before a jury? Okay
My dad told me at 18 that as I go out into the world, it is better to walk away than risk crossing paths with someone like this. You know your classmates, but you don't know strangers. On any day, something like this can and will happen. Lessons learned on both sides here. Hopefully someone's kids see this and learn from it. Don't act like these kids. Don't act out like this man. Two losses, very sad.
Wise words, sober reaction. Amazing how many are defending this murderous individual who was the Adult and who could have just walked away. Sick individual who seemed to be drunk and on meds too. His walking like Night of the Living Dead is chilling.
@kell8_ he wasn't cornered. He could avoid walked away. He chose his path, the same of the teens. They paid a price for their arrogance. Either way, both sides lost. Just mind your business and live to tell about it.
I wish he would have walked away. Instead of defending himself with a knife. That was the wrong choice for him and those teens. With that being said, those teens should have been held accountable for their part in this tragic attack. Those young women should be held accountable too for instigating the situation. Their liquid courage had them stepping up to the wrong man. Idiots.
Those kids didn't do anything illegal. They may have been loud and obnoxious but those aren't crimes. The only one who instigated anything was the convicted felon being sentenced. The women were only there as a result of his actions.
@@SamuellaOchorios You might be a sensitive little snowflake who feels harassed by a bunch of kids calling you names. According to WI law they didn't commit harassment because their actions didn't fit the definition. Especially when he engaged the kids first. You could say they were taunting him but that's not a crime either.
@@TruthHurts2u they all played a part and are responsible morally for what ended up happening to them and their friend who passed away. Hopefully this will teach them right from wrong behavior and how with every action there’s an reaction. You can just go around harassing people with no consequences. Unfortunately theirs was vicious.
@@marhee143g5 They didn't harass anybody and they weren't charged for anything. You can't F with people then claim, "No fair they were mean to me." You right wing morons are HUGE snowflakes. You are right about one thing, you CAN'T go around harassing other people and this guy has 20 years to think about the consequences of his actions.
I guess my question is why didn’t any of these young adults get charged, they were just as responsible and could have walked away .. sure Mui is guilty but they are just as guilty and why to record and put on Social media for likes
@@estherryan4318 did they have a knife and start slicing people up? Did they approach him first? Were they not just minding their own business and having fun before he came over?
@samwallaceofscotland No, they were not just minding their own business. He was a middle age old man who just recently had massive heart procedures done and was passing by searching for a lost cell phone when they started taunting and harassing him, calling him raper and pedophile. One was holding up a cell phone he thought might have been the one he was searching for. Then they circled him like a pack of hyenas, a girl punched him in the face when he was distracted by one of the males then they shooed him under water. That's when he fought back. Learn the facts before running your mouth.
@fionnmaccumhaill3257 nae bather keyboard warrior. I saw the video, multiple times, watched the trial, don't tell me wtf I saw. Then he ran away, threw away the knife and lied to the police!!!
I remember when this happened. They harassed this man they bullied him they provoked him and someone got killed someone got hurt. A reaction to action. These teenagers were the instigators and now this man is ruined, broken down. I would have been scared to death if these heartless teenagers came at me like that.
I think he should have got 7 years - he did wrong but not a life sentence for him - Little shits those lads were - very sad one lost his life but I'm annoyed at this outcome
20 years is insane. I have NO idea what those moronic jurors were thinking. 7 years would've been fine and those "KIDS" should be serving just as much time.
@@Mancer1980 to think that he should serve seven years, and all those teenagers should also serve 7 years after five of them were stabbed, is insanity. Clearly you need more of those books and life experiences….
I had to stop watching this and scrolled through the transcript to see the sentence. I’m sickened. He certainly had the right to use self-defense when he was pushed under the water. 20 years is so wrong.
Whatever happened to personal accountability in our society? It's sadly declining decade after decade. Those teenagers behaved in an antagonizing, bullying, instigating manner. They were the catalyst for how this whole situation played out. Our justice system has failed them by not holding them accountable for their part in this.
@@dihe1392they ALSO could have walked away rather than follow him while yelling for “the culture” what culture were they referring to while laughing and harassing him both mentally and physically. You are part of the problem if you see no wrong in what those brats did.
So surprised to see the majority in this chat see this man to of been acting on self defense.. another example of an abuse victim..just because he didn't get beat up.. he was bullied..pushed around..harassed..he was violated..and now he is the one facing jail time..had the video not been exposed.. probably nobody wld have believed him. Bottom line..we live in a cruel.. violent.. aggressive.. filled with hatred world...and the innocent victims are the ones who suffer most. 😢
I'm just gonna say this man was pushed to his limit .the way those kids harassed him scared him .look what happened.a kid lost his life .people injured ....sad all around as we know...this man should not be put in jail.....he is suffering just as the families are suffering.....free this man
"Miu describes the teenagers to his brother as "demons from hell" and "baboon bastards" and doesn't acknowledge he killed Schuman. Anderson says Miu "can't stop lying" in the calls, saying he told his brother he didn't pull out his knife until after he was attacked and down in the water; the teenagers had knives; he didn't try to flee the scene; and he tried to run away from the groups. The prosecutors also say in those phone calls, Miu accused law enforcement of hiding evidence, and blamed his own group, including his wife, for not stepping in to help him." Yikes
Are those POS kids going to be charged with underage drinking? How did they get the alcohol? Why aren't they being charged for their part? This is an injustice, which is in line with the way this country is going sadly!
@@sophiesnuffy2563let just tell you something, this is all those kids fault from their actions!! Those obnoxious brats were bullying and harassing him and it took place in water he could have drown from them shoving him in the water! He should not be jailed parents need to start teaching respect and boundaries to their obnoxious brats and that is putting it nicely
These “friends “ that talked so highly of him should have cherished his life when he was alive…. Remember it was you ALL who sealed his fate. Shame on you all
@@ICU264 💯 had they not been arrogant A holes he would still be alive. Sad but true when my dad would say about the neighborhood tough guys….one day they will mess with the wrong person. I wondered during the trial how often they egged someone on ya know? The entire situation is really sad but these kids messed around one too many times and unfortunately it became deadly. Mui will die in jail, a loss of life , Issac’s family will never be the same and the bullies will have to live with it the rest of their lives. I hope they carry immense guilt forever.
😮I believe he is guilty. He gutted, stabbed and murdered.. he ran up on the kids while their butts were in the tubes.. how many times have people on both sides been drunk at the creek. either shout at each other or a quick fistfight. Those teens were not rough gang members, just a bunch of dorky college n high school kids. Who stayed in their tubes and spoke to Mui. He ran up on them with physical and verbal threats.. he probably did say he was looking for girls or little girls. The teens spoke up and he reacted, then they did. He was first with his hands and needs to grow some thick skin. *he didnt just nic people. He didnt be a man on man fight. People just standing there were violently attacked. Or telling him to calm down or touch him to leave. He stabbed with suck force that it pierced through the breast plate and heart.. **he flipped the blade around intentionally, stabbed that teen in the gut with such force. Then with such force, he dragged that knife upwards to that teens ribs all his intestines were out.. *plus others he stabbed. This is not fear or self defense. In 10 seconds he violently commited a murder, stabbed others and gutted that teen.. * 10 seconds. Just imagine sitting on the couch and getting up to put your shoes on and sit back down. Thats 10 seconds.. his 10 seconds are not self defense but murder and carnage. How many lay people can be violently calculated in their attack in 10 seconds with such rage n force of onto 5 people.
“he probably did say he was looking for girls or little girls” I’m sorry what???? Why the f*ck would you just make that up? Idiotic conjecture and/or projection. The IQ level in these comments is appalling. Good luck in life.
a bunch of dorky college kids??? i first saw the video before i knew anything about the case and i couldn't believe what i was seeing. i thought it's some sort of prank. they were acting like COMPLETE animals never stopping to escalate the situation further and further by LYING! they didn't let him go back to his group and surrounded him. he was going there to search for a phone. have you even seen the trial? but i admit. it's a lot easier to be on the side of those "kids" and not on the one of a foreigner. shame on you! and shame on these punks. may they forever have this 0.1% uncertainty eating at them, that they are responsible for what happened that day and to their deceased fellow culprit.
This was a travesty! An older man bullied and threatened by a GROUP of drunk and aggressive young people who was in fear of his life! No criminal record! This was self defense!
I do not know him, but I cried when he was found guilty, and then I cried at the beginning of this video, seeing that it was his sentencing- and I hardly ever cry watching these things! Dang!! He really doesn’t deserve this. He is not gonna survive 20 years in there, he looks so sick.
You should cry for the people he killed, gutted, punched and maimed. This beast should have gotten LIFE in prison. They never bothered him, he started everything, at the end of the killing, he rinsed his knife off and threw it. He lied to everyone about this. Watch the trial
But the young man deserves to be dead? People need to raise they're children better, and adults need to learn how to walk away. This is very sad for both Miu and the others but Miu still has his life.
@@BOPretired2019 Did you watch the trial? They harassed him and then they assaulted him! I believe none of this would have happened if those hooligans knew how to act. Stop defending this type of behaviour. I think the sentence fits the crime, but the groups that assaulted/ attacked Miu should also be held accountable for their role in what occurred that day.
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00:00:00 Sentencing: WI v Nicolae Miu, Apple River Stabbings Trial
00:01:46 State
00:23:10 Defense
01:25:36 Nicolae Miu Reads Statement
01:28:42 Judge Delivers Sentence
#CourtTV Did the judge get it right?
@@CourtTV No!
No those teens should have left him alone Yes he should not have stabbed them but they didn't have to mentally and emotionally and physically abuse him
What did I miss ?
No
Absolutely NOT ‼️
This whole situation is just devastating...
It definitely is
Agreed
No winners
Most definitely...
The barely 100 lbs female should be an accessory. She hyped up the group and put her hands on him first.
He should be in jail but that women also.
Both sides were wrong! He was wrong for how he reacted to the kids. But the kids were also wrong in how they acted towards him before the stabbing
But Nick didn’t end up with his guts floating in the river
Being wrong is stating something that's not factual. Murdering, is killing. Big difference. He is at fault. If you're not emotional grown at his age to turn from rowdy, non violent teens who call you names, there's something WRONG
*EXACTLY!*
*not only has The political tension in America ignited youth to make really brought assumptions about average middle-aged men but I genuinely believe it was those kind of assumptions that ignited this whole thing! Claiming that he was a pervert and that he was trying to look for children to touch and calling him a paedophile while they ganged up on him and bullied him*
*normal teenagers who were raised with self-respect and dignity would've left the poor man alone and have they seen him wheeling and knife they would've had the smarts to get back rather than engage him in an attack ...*
*I do not believe this man is a murderer. I believe he was genuinely all struck by insurmountable cruelty. This group of arrogant teenagers were capable of in the public humiliation got to be too much for him and he reacted....
*Foolish, yes, but I still can't help but believe had this entire interaction from beginning to end been recorded most of the children would be at fault for this entire event !!!*
Which is illegal?
It doesn't matter what the kids did, it didn't need to lead to stabbings and death.
Nicolae looks so ill, he most likely will not make it to complete his prison term.
Intentional, leading up to his hearing. For Sympathy from judge.
He doesn't look well at all.
I agree, I visibly gasped when I saw him, he looks very ill. I don't believe he'll make it very long at all.
He was looking very ill last time shown as well 😢
I thought the exact same thing. I think the real culprits got away. I promise you, I would have done what ever I could to come out alive. This is so wrong‼️
What about this crazy, drunk and bullying kids?? They should get on trial!! I highly disagree with this judge!! What a sick system !!!
RIGHT??!!! We all saw the video - pretty clear what was happening!!!
Pretty clear also that you only see one side and that is dangerous. It seems to me that you would behave just like he did. And even sadder is, if you have kids and you've taught them the same. So wrong. De escalate by leaving. You walk away. Simple. You don't drink, as he did, if in water number one and two, you walk away in any such situation.
Kids will be kids (not saying their behavior was right) but he was the older adult and most definitely should have walked away the video showed he had multiple opportunities to do so before things escalated. Also his conduct afterwards surely didn't help him. His lack of remorse and smiles while on the stand also didn't help him.
This man ripped the guts out of a 17 year old boy he deserves life in prison .. u want this guy out around ur kids ?
Those “kids” could have had other kids. How in the world would refer to them as kids? Even our courts don’t consider them as “kids” when those “kids” commit a crime they are being charged as ADULTS. You get that?
There are kids and there are young adolescents. These were no kids.
I love how they continue to paint those kids as 'good boys and girls' with the amount of footage to prove they werent. They even blatantly lied on the stand. Awful awful human beings. If they are the future we really are doomed.
Old people thinking that way about the youth of the country is old as dirt 😪
I think that kind of thinking got him where he is today and its sad really sad
@@littlewingmyoho I'm not old.
Totally agree!!
this murderer had no bussiness go near those kids.
The fact that the guy who was filming wanted to film because he’s going to put it on the internet makes him an instigator that encouraged the others to keep harassing him.
@@babybeasimplekindofvan7035 exactly 👍🏻
"For the culture" 😑
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He’s not responsible for others actions.
😆 wtf
I’m MUCH more scared of those “kids” walking free in Society than this man. The fact those attackers are going to be free in society to attack more people scares the crap out of me for my parents and older people who could be victims to their abuse and violence.
Then you aren't very intelligent.
Agree.
Can we please remember that one young man is dead because this man plunged a knife into him, so what happens if he gets into a road rage incident with the next group of people? Does the knife come out again?
@sondog1983 did you not see what that young man did.. well. He Fuked around and found out..
You’re more afraid of insults than a knife? Wow! That sounds almost too stupid to be true.
No the judge didn’t get it right!!!! These young punks had no business bullying this man, although he shouldn’t taken someone’s life he allowed his emotions to get the best of him. Where’s the accountability of these young people ? They were drunk and unfortunately things really got out of control. It’s a sad situation all the way around.
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He was drunk too
I think you’ve got it wrong sir
@nickicapetola5149 100% agree. This case really, really bothers me. I wish the Prosecutor would stop calling them “boys”. These were adults- drinking, bullying, obnoxiously intoxicated adults. They were not innocent little boys. 🤬
They are allowed to bully
I can’t stand to hear the prosecutor lie! He didn’t punch that girl in the face. They act like they were all innocent in this. They were a group of bullies!!!
None of those punks even saw him hit her…she hit him! Involved herself, yelling in his face. Pushed him! Can see that on the video! They acted like a pack of wolves! Outraged.
@@crippledalien5937 absolutely!!! This disgusts me so much!!! They walk away with no consequences for their actions. Not even an underage drinking fine. Unreal
You all realize that moment was caught on video, right? We all saw her get decked. Help me understand, are you all protesting this because you created your own realities? Believe in conspiracies? Are hypocritical, bitter boomers?
@@potheadzndrama267 the jury is part of the crime of those kids. I honestly think the teenagers should serve prison time for the murder.
@@Melthornal I agree! Their actions caused their friends death!
This isn't a justice. He doesn't deserve 20 years. Not saying he was right for doing the action but some of these kids have no respect. They literally ganged on him. What if they drowned him if he didn't defend himself? They all seemed to snap into reality once one of them got hurt. Maybe it's a wake up call for these teens to treat others with respect. If this man was a violent criminal, he could've easily attacked rest of the group viciously, which he did not do. This is a disgrace to justice.
What if he did this to YOURS…
so wrong. If I were on the Jury, it would be a hung jury. Makes me sad for this man. Those kids were like a pack of wild hyenas.
@@richardlippincott8881 well even hyenas protect themselves when a lion aggressively approaches. I give up ..u guys are out there
Yup
I agree
Two large groups of people screaming, yelling, laughing, pushing you down onto water and rocks. Yet was wrong for fighting for his own life ? So so much wrong with this case and verdict. This is a disgrace of our justice system.
Agree 100% I really hope they can win an appeal on this. His sentence makes me sick.
Disgraceful. Then someone accidentally turns into a wrong driveway in the US and gets shot and killed and that's okay?! So effed up.
Exactly I’m pissed off over this those young adults should have been charged too!!!! To conspiracy to commit bodily injury or death
@@jovicrazed Your example is ridiculous!
He was hovering around the Kids walking like some drunk robot; in truth he was behaving in a creepy manner; of course the Kids were obnoxious but murder? He could have just walked away wisely and asked to speak with the tube park's park manager -- one doesn't go back for more with a knife in tow unless planning to use. His demeanor indicates someone who was mixing alcohol with some meds.
I don’t agree with the murder but let’s agree.. These kids were and are bully’s PARENTS RAISE BETTER KIDS PLEASE
@@Cfrank81 so you ignore everything the evidence that all those kids did was call him names they weren't violent and facts matter HE walked up on them HE started the entire situation he never told them what he was doing HE hit a female because she dared to tell him to stop. I can't believe how many people bought this guy's bs the evidence shows otherwise. He's angry non stop he killed an innocent boy over words?
@@amyvanzandt6229I agree with you 100% but as a parent I also tell my young adult children that words matter and words have consequences. I teach them people are dangerous and it’s just not worth it. They definitely didn’t deserve his rage but we do have to teach our kids to watch their words. No excuse in his actions at all! Please understand I’m not saying that at all. It’s sad what happen to these kids.
Correct. I don't agree, too that he killed one of the teens but the teens were the first to bully.
@@amyvanzandt6229 His actions doesn't justify the fact that the Kids were BULLY'S.
@@amyvanzandt6229 The only bs here are your comments.
No man at his age and with his health issues, goes around starting fights with a bunch of teenagers. The idiot kids, and they were all incredibly stupid, started the physical contact. They were pushing and punching the guy and recording it for their UA-cam channels.
He didn't have to tell them what he was doing. He was in a public space in a free country. He had every right to be there, minding his own business not bothering anyone. There was no evidence that he struck a female; however, the evidence did show her shouting and yelling in his face, but there was no evidence that he ever struck her. And the idiot kid that was killed was not innocent. The evidence showed that he struck the old guy a couple of times.
And there was some imbecile there who kept laughing and egging these morons on and yelling, "it's for the culture, it's for the culture' while he was recording the juvenile delinquents.
They were shouting that he was a pedo,if I was accused of that in front of lots of people I would be terrified not to mention how already scared he was after been assaulted numerous times. The man went into fight/flight mode because he feared for his life.
Yet again no accountability for the bunch of animals,this generation really is something else.
Accountable for nothing but offended by everything.
@@murtl5595 👏🏼👏🏼 you said it perfectly!!
He walked away the first two times why did he walk back?
PTSD also from his childhood. This may have contributed to his fear. The English language barrier was also a factor. I believe that also impacted the jury decision. If he was an American born and bred, took the stand and explained exactly what Nic did, he would’ve been acquitted! Disgraceful! Jury definitely got this wrong.
Absolutely
@@ATChickit was proven in trial that the kids walked to him, he didnt walk to them.
I wish "video boy" faced some type of charge for inciting the lynching of an old man for literally doing nothing, even if the old man did not manage the situation well, he was not looking for trouble that day.
"Video boy" is the reason his friend is dead.
We saw the same on the case of the girl who got stabbed by another girl while another "video boy" incited violence and recorderd the whole thing.
The judge did mention that video boy by name while sentencing the girl, saying he didn't understand why he was not charged as he was also respnsable.
I was hoping this judge would do the same.
Truth is violence incites violence.
Anyone verbally or otherwise bullying another human being even in schools, should stop acting shocked when someone dies or gets killed as a result, because the fact is, many people in that situation do not just walk away.
A person feeling attacked, normally walks away, not approach
@@ritayammouni2803100%
that's so dumb.
That's been my stance from when I first watched the testimonies. But one day, the full weight will break Video Boy and the young lady who had oh so much to say. I do not condone the Def.'s actions after the horrific events. All involved had a huge hand in the outcome. Who made a correct decision in this matter? Mob reaction is real and dangerous. I feel sorrow for both families and for different reasons.
@@ritayammouni2803 That's not true..that doesn't sound right. How you going to walk away when you keep being pushed into the water. Did you not watch the video? The guys should of been charged for assault. Hope he appeals!
Young punks that were legally drunk but were never charged with underage drinking despite blood tests proving they were drunk. None of them are/were outstanding citizens.
Underage drinking is a $75 ticket in Wisconsin
So what, many young people drink underage, what’s your point?
Agree this judge was side with those people who start from the beginning to bully him is a crime the did to him they look for this tragedy when humiliated him he need a fair trial with a fear judge to look those nasty and spoiled young people
Pardon ?@@rosalainez2674
@@puckgold4956 cry more old man
I watched this trial from the beginning Not condoning what Nick did , but those kids provoked him. The kids pushing into the water and called him a pedo. 20 yrs is a harsh sentence. This man will die in prison. He already looks sick
They definitely did provoke the situation! Just awful for this man! Jury got it wrong!
His hovering around them was creepy. Sorry but it is true. He just needed to walk away and report them all. They were all being obnoxious of course. He blew it continuing it all and then getting the knife. Awful. His murdering the kids was demonic.
@@katherinemooney4396 Justice was not served. The wrong person was punished.
Sometimes the older adult should make the decision to walk away before escalation.
It's 46 years
“Those kids” are the worst type of teens their are.
Yep….I see it now Kamel will be the next president.
They were not kids, but they were most definitely much younger than him. Was he expected to have bit more patience? Yes. Hes mich older than them, understood life and has had more life expereinces than them. Them mocking him was proof. They were immature, rude and petulant. But what excuse did he have? At the initial point of confrontation, he shouldve just left. But he chose not to. Then he came back with a knife. Was that rsally necessary? What if he had just walked away and gave them the finger? Would he be in the position hes in now? Most likely not. Stop condoning the actions of a killer. Hes been convicted in a court of law, have a seat.
I agree
@@sophiesnuffy2563What part did you miss? Them provoking? Calling him pedo? Laughing? He approached to look for his friends phone.
Lord lets hope not this world has gotten bad enough @@Cecil-hotel
The blame doesn’t fall solely on him. I feel like the kids who were filming, laughing, and instigating the situation should be held responsible as well. Nobody wins in this situation and everyone was at fault that day. I pray the family of the victim finds some kind of peace also
I feel the same way. At this point in America, "kids" need to be steered clear of when they are disrespectful, acting "inappropriately" both of these words are euphemisms for what the behavior was/is.
A kid was opened up and died, and others mutilated, then Miu tried to rewrite history
@@HaVoKisthebetterSuMmErS I’m not taking away from the young man died and don’t believe that anyone deserved to die. But, if you actually watched the videos, those kids were instigating him, ALL OF THEM. And I didn’t say he didn’t deserve his punishment but what I am saying is those people need to be held accountable too. They instigated that man which resulted in their friend’s death. The blame doesn’t fall solely on him. They were also drinking and underage. Reread my comment.
@@BethMelton-w1n you're arguing for a pebble when the problem is the boulder sitting behind it
@@HaVoKisthebetterSuMmErS yep and the boulder is the fact that there should be more people charged than him. But I said what I said and I stand behind it. So we are gonna have to agree to disagree.
I feel for this man. I believe he regrets that day himself.
He looks a shadow of his former self.
You could take what the prosecutor says and turn it around into... the teenagers could have stopped/walked away instead of ganging up on the man.
HE Approached THEM TWICE he never as an adult explained why his reaction were NOT justified and kid died and he sits angry boohoo. He never once said leave me alone I have a knife he never left he stabbed unsuspecting victims. Stop blaming the victims a boy DIED
@amyvanzandt6229 na you can't say anything to a gang to young people. They would have killed him if he said he had a knife. These kids needed to be charged as well.
@@amyvanzandt6229 They can't help themselves from blaming those kids. That guy stabbed them without hesitation and did it with a smirk on his face.
@@smokeskull Charged with what? Please don't ever serve on a jury.
@@amyvanzandt6229 I’m blaming the living.,, The young man who loss his life was engaging also. IF those Young Adults hadn’t bullied him, There wouldn’t be any need for him to defend himself. Now ask yourself if that was You or say your elderly granny/ or poppy.,, What would you do⁉️( Same scenario just you and poppy)
I think some of those "kids" should be charged because they started it by harassing Miu and kept it going. Plus they were illegally possessing alcohol & were drunk though they were underage. They need to be held accountable for their actions as well.
@@kathryncrisler5070 they were minding their own business in their own part of the lake on their tubes until Mr Stabber turned up looking for his friends phone, the kids were in their own space doing their own thing until that point.
Trump bullies and name calling people all the time, what should we do about that?
@@samwallaceofscotland Did they own that part of the lake? Was he trespassing? Why did they have to start bullying him? The kids started it! Those kids need to bare some of the blame. Yes he should not have done what he did but if I ever saw a bunch of kids bully someone it was them on that video.
SERIOUS‼️ somewhat like the law enforcement that drunk drive the night John okeefe does in Karen read trial 🤷🏽♀️🤬
@@samwallaceofscotlandare you deaf and blind
It's a poor example for the younger generation. The court has the authority to correct this and demonstrate that such behaviour will not be tolerated in this country. This individual is simply going about his own business, people should not have the right to harass or humiliate him and escape consequences.
@@pjtagle7731 he wasn't going about his own business when he entered their space and repeatedly chose to antagonise them and the situation instead of walking away or even engaging in conversation with them, ask if they could help look, not just encroach on them and their belongings, feeling underneath them in the water while just staring and mumbling. They're kids, they're going to take advantage of that scenario calling him out for feeling them up, didn't deserve to die or be scarred for life.
THIS country stands for free speech.
You clearly didn’t watch any of the videos of the incident
He approached them, he took the first punch making a verbal interaction physical, listen to the details! Just because someone says something that you don't like doesn't mean that you can do this to them. Get real!
He was NOT going about his business. He went to the Teens and harassed them. Then he gutted them when confronted about the harrassment
That poor man. Can you imagine the fear he had being swarmed by all those kids? It is awful a life was lost, but he was not only one at fault.
Did the kids go over to fight him or did he go over to the kids to fight them
Exactly!!! A lot of ppl were at fault 😡
@@sharonnorris9291 no the kids told him to leave but he walked a little ways and then come back at them. I blame it on the adult not the kids. They didn't have knife or weapons to protect their self like this man did. I don't believe his story on looking for a phone either. I believe he was looking for young girls
Omg are you serious? You are what is wrong with this world!
@@jennifergannuscio6086watch the video and you don't know me so go away
As much as I really liked this Judge I don't agree with the length of the sentencing. I think it should have been less. We all saw the video NOBODY involved was innocent.
he wont do nowhere near 20 years.
@@JohnEastmanExAttyAtLawI hope you’re right! This is a painful sentence.
@@BoyMama87 no it ain't. he killed someone. people get 20 years for cocaine.
@@BoyMama87 you have people who have been in prison for over 30 years due to the 3 strikes law. non-violent offenders. some on marijuana charges. they never killed anyone either or had a weapon. now that is painful.
I hope he appeals because we all seen the bullies pushing him in the water. How do you physical walk away with out defending yourself! It was 5 against 1! Something is fishy about the jury!
Who in their right mind turns their back to a mob?! Agreed.
It's crazy that the legal system has essentially endorsed the behavior of these teenagers...
As opposed to supporting the behavior of the KILLER.
@@Nixxi6 - The "killer" who was a senior citizen, survivor of a quadruple-bypass, surrounded by a young, belligerent mob who were in his face and knocked him to the ground before he began to defend himself. Just exactly how weak and disadvantaged does someone need to be before they are allowed to defend themselves in your opinion...?
@@Nixxi6 THANK-YOU. So many people commenting are legitimate sociopaths defending the MURDER of a 17 year-old!!!
Those punks were at fault
False
Exactly 💯 i cant believe he got all that time since the young kids initiated things first..So Pretty mych what the courts are saying that was Okay for what they done to That Man!
When he Snapped back Now its a Fuk'n Problem Smfh 😢
The justice system sucks sometimes!
Here here!
i would have dropped nic the first 5 seconds of the video for sprinting at me threateningly. He was asked to leave. Stayed. Slapped a girl in the face. then stabbed 5 people. He incited the violence.
are you just dumb or stupid?
This man will not survive in prison. He has a Dog he loves with all his heart & has battled so many life threatening health issues. He was taunted by belligerent adolescents & he snapped. He doesn’t deserve the sentence he’s been given. I think the Judge spoke well & made it quite apparent that the Defendant, other than this avoidable & tragic incident, is good person.
He's probably not all bad, but he had issues, that's for sure.
No one who carries a machete in his car is a good guy. If this man was younger and black with that weapon what would you say his sentence should be? Anyone who uses a knife to hurt, self defence or not, is not someone I want to be around.
I am on Team Nic, but he shouldn't have lied after what happened. I think that hurt him and his self-defense claim immensely. Poor guy will be behind bars for quite a long time.
I think he embellished because he didn't know how to articulate the level of fear and being surrounded and feared they wouldn't understand the grave sense of danger he felt he was in at the time. it's a cruel twist of fate that he didn't know there was video evidence because the video shows the reality but his conduct and embellishments after the fact, as you said, hurt the self defence claim.
Panic. All those punks lied or didn’t actually see what happened themselves.
I watched this entire trial. It is appalling that this man was found guilty. Every one of those teens had a contributing factor into escalating this to the point of the stabbing. I totally believe this man was scared. It was totally self defense. Almost all of the teens lied on the stand, and that was proven by the video. This guy looks like he could die any day now. The justice system did not work properly here. This was one of those cases where rumor and lies won the case for the state. Those teens and this DAs office should be ashamed for what they did to this man. IF those kids had not insisted on raising it to the level they did, and be more interested in TikTok ratings .... no one would have been stabbed. I pray this man will appeal and get out of jail early.
I also hope that he appeals and meets a judge and jury who will see, what really happened..
I agree 100% with you, Annie! What an injustice.
He had many opportunities to walk away.
Totally agree. The legal system is sooooo corrput.
If he's SO innocent and just then why did he hide the knife and lie to police over and over?
They attacked him. Circled him. Everyone has a right to self defense
Self-defense has a limit. This man re-engaged after his supposed threat had ended. He also repeatedly lied about situation.
@@christinem.alwaysbelieve100%
did you hit your head on something?
Not anymore
Not true. He started this entire episode and he went back got a weapon and re-engaged the group.
From the video that I saw, both parties could have de-escalated the whole situation.
accept both parties was a group of large adult young men, versus one elderly man. let's just be clear what both parties means in this context
yeah, the dude who murdered a kid could have either walked away OR been honest with police after. He undermined his own defense by lying about the knife AND throwing it away after the stabbing.
But neither party did. And Nick will serve the rest of his life in prison. So there is that. 😂😅😂
@@horvathsogranfume658Yeah? How about panic?
@@stanley1554 except*
Did the judge and jury watch a different video of the altercation? Because the one I saw showed the teens were the first ones to escalate the argument from verbal to physical. 🤔
These kids taunted this man
And??? Doesn't give him the right to murder a 17 year-old & stab 5 people!!!
Then he opened up a teenager stabbed 4 more and got rid of the knife, went along about his business, lied to his friends and police and tried to rewrite the events of the day, but you're right some teens taunted him after he drunkenly ran up on them and started acting weird
I think it’s a bit harsh since those victims had been drinking and were taunting him
Those BULLYS aren't victims. Imo
Get real ppl he ran up to the kids touched them first and basically accused them of stealing
@@VictoriaLynn59You’re a sick, sick woman Victoria. At your extremely ripe age, you should be well aware that words cant cause physical harm and dont justify murder.
@@VictoriaLynn59Great thing your opinion is completely useless in reality
@@VictoriaLynn59PS. At 900 years old, you should’ve learned that words cant hurt you.
20 years is incredibly unfairly excessive considering the circumstances. I do believe Mr. Miu genuinely feared for his life and safety in the heat of the moment. Six or 7 years would be more appropiate and ONLY IF the teens involved received sentences for their part in all this too.
Those kids need to be held responsible for their actions.
The parents are largely to blame for not teaching their spoiled children not to get drunk in public, take drugs and harass strangers...they just ended up with the wrong person. It was only a matter of time...
@@pietg.6249 so true
Because the kids were not held accountable, they will continue with their bad behavior. They just got a free pass and will not see their contribution to a horrible situation and their friends death. However, eventually they will harass and bully the wrong person in their lives and it won’t work out well for them. What goes around always comes back around - whether we like it or not. It is a shame the kids aren’t going to learn that lesson now while they are young.
The operative word here being "children"...this ADULT man in this violent crime resulting in death should have known much better, period.
The common denominator in all this is alcohol.
It is sad that people have to get drunk to escape from the cares of this world. He looks healthier here, (although very thin and frail),compared to the state he was in that day.
It’s all very sad.
@@SpeckledChieftainKids nowadays do NOT respect their elders. It’s a horrible world-
He was in fear for his life.
This isn’t justice
I cannot believe he was given 20 years, I thought maybe 5 at a push! I still can’t believe the kids involved weren’t reciprocally charged with inciting the incident.
@@GuiltyofCrime dude what sentence were you listening to? He got Count 1: 20 years, Count 2: 5 years, Count 3: 5 years, Count 4: 6 years, Count 5: 5 years and Count 6: 270 days. 5555 and five? He got 20,5,5,6,5 + 270 days to run concurrently.
@@alycia_hewer on the count one is where I did not hear 20 years. I only heard five years five years, five years, five years and five years so that being said, you would be correct if they all run concurrent with two years he will be out in like 17 years. He’s an old man and thanks for clarifying that. I did not count one of 20 years so thank you. I was trying to hear it but background noise. I was hoping somebody would clarify that.
@@alycia_hewer thanks for the clarification! I missed count 1
Thank God, justice served, 20 years to learn how to mind your own business
@@switchitup5446 your a i..d iot
No. The jury got it wrong and the Judge did not impose a just sentence.
wrong, karen
@@horvathsogranfume658 wow you’re a real b- itch grow up! people are entitled to their opinion!
I 100% agree
@@horvathsogranfume658 the Karen is YOU !
The jury got it right
My heart breaks for him. This was such a sad situation but too sadly the kids and their pack mentality were not held accountable for their actions and part in all of this.
@@NannyOfLasVegas did you see him stab those teen and twenties? It is all awful, but the sneak attacks and the slithering away is just malicious.
@@sophiesnuffy2563Do you even know the definition of a cold blooded murder? Stop exaggerating, you sound stupid.
So when are those responsible for bullying him and starting the battle gonna be held responsible? They need prison too. Just saying
I couldn’t agree more..this is so so sad for him! If I were surrounded by a teenage mob in a river hitting and pushing me down into the water and all I had were a knife I would use it to save myself..sorry but it’s facts. He was terrified
@@aprilstarr7219 yep
@@aprilstarr7219exactly!!!! Those teenagers need to be held responsible as well. This woke teenage behavior is bullshit!
@@aprilstarr7219 If you killed and stabbed several people when you had plenty of opportunities to leave the "teenage mob", I would hope you would get at least 20 years. Why was he over there to begin with? If someone was calling me a pedo, and I was "terrified", I would leave and return to my group and maybe call the police.
I think the young people that harassed and assaulted Miu should be held accountable. I feel sad for him, but I feel more sad for the family that lost someone. You Americans need to do better, and raise your children better.
@@Tay-fl8ym Nothing "woke" about this. In fact...very 'unwoke'.
If he was truly fearful, he would not have gone back to the kids with a knife. He would have rationally reported them OR gone back with the aid of his group at the very least. This is what DOESN'T make sense. WHY did he go back with a knife ALONE?
If the kids were so fearful of him they wouldn't have been walking up on him behind his back. They knew exactly what they we're doing period they were being bullies and they knew they had him outnumbered.
@@riseaboveit5236 Who said the kids were fearful of him? He deliberately kept his knife low so they wouldn't see it and realize the danger they were in. He is the one claiming self defense - not the kids.
@MizzzYasmin the kids themselves did because he was a rapper and a pedophile and acting creepy. The kids were nowhere around when the queens were in Nick's face. They were off in the distance safe until...... they approached him. That's right. They approached him. The Queen's approached him. That makes them the perpetrators and makes it self defense. The kids should have stayed where they were saved and not approaching Nick from behind his back and attacking him because someone says you can't hit a girl. And you can't believe that lie if you want but that is not at all what I saw on that video. Nick had the knife in his hand when speaking to the Queen's if Nick had attacked them he would have done it with the knife not his fist the kids got stabbed because they were attacking Nick. So sorry the trolls were in the wrong they were wrong from the beginning they were wrong to the end
@MizzzYasmin why would he want to show the knife to the kids? It was in plain sight unless they came up on his back which they did. they attacked him first over and over and over. They were afraid of him because he was a rapper and he was a pedophile and acting creepy, all of which was not true. They needed adults to come help them because they were so afraid. Go watch the video and testimony of Cockfield. As far as the stabbing goes pay special attention to when the Queens are in Nick's face and the kids are nowhere around. The kids walked up on Nic while his back was turned to them and they attacked him and don't give me bs about how he hit one of the girls that was not proven. How odd that the girl that gets punched manages to get up with their sunglasses still on her head beer in her hand and not even a bloody nose? Nic had the knife in his hand in plain sight. I can see it in the video. If Nick had intentions of attacking the trolls he would have stabbed the queen too. He did not start stabbing the trolls until the physically assaulted him. Any one of the trolls would have an advantage over Nic but they also had to grossly outnumbered him. How brave of them. If the bullies had not appointed themselves to the ethic committee and keep there mouths shut they would have floated on by uneventfully. Did you pay attention to cockfield admitting that they could have but choose not too?
@@riseaboveit5236 Have you ever witnessed a fight? It is common for people to display the weapon before using it. Why? Because it works quickly to de-escalate conflict without having to resort to violence. Did you watch the video? Did you see how quickly the kids back off when they saw the knife? He didn't have to actually use it to get this effect. Also - I encourage you to watch the video thoroughly. It is very clear that the kids did not see the knife until after the stabbings. It is obviously deliberate on Mui's part to keep the weapon concealed before use. This is part of the reason he will die in prison.
Finally, Mui is the initial aggressor. He approached the kids, started grabbing their legs and pushing their tubs away. He is the first to cause someone to lose their footing and fall into the water. You can't start a conflict, be first to put hands on someone, escalate to extreme violence and then claim self defense. Again, another reason that he will die as a caged animal in prison.
I'm 77 years old, and I have seen kids acting like that. When I was a kid, all that guy had to do was walk away, kids act ignorant when they get to bed together.Especially if they have liquor
That would have been the ADULT thing to do.His wife was leaving him so the home front probably was miserable
Being 74, you should be ashamed of yourself for blaming this man for the trouble these kids caused! You are WRONG. There are some who behave this way, but the majority do not, thank God. They were attacking him with ugly names and accusations. How DARE you say he should have just walked away. He should not have HAD to encounter this group of marauding jerks who intimidated him as they did. I don't know of any kids, including my own or nieces/nephews, neighborhood kids, friends kids, etc who would behave like THIS. I hope you find yourself, at 77, in his shoes, in a similar situation and we'll see how tough YOU are when being harassed and bullied and ganged up upon. I have a feeling YOU were just like these "kids" when you were younger....a self entitled snot who belittled others around you.
You've seen kids gang up on a old man, falsely call him a pedo, then proceed to beat him? I hope you called the police.
They were drinking underage. Now, 17 year olds don't just act a certain way. They've become violent thugs.
17 are not kids.
This needs to be appealed to the Supreme Court. He needs to go home.
100% agree!!!
He needs new attorneys too!!! Geeezzz…these attorneys suck! That prosecutor is sick!
He got off easy. He should spend the rest of his life in jail.
Killer. The Jury has spoken, no re litigation
This case questions the true meaning of "self defense" in America. I think this persons rights were seriously wronged. Shame on you defense!
Shame on the prosecution.
I think you meant prosecution but yes, this was horrible all around and those kids deserve a severe punishment too.
The fact that he could've walked away but his anger and need to attack, him being the adult, got the best of him, he deserves many years in jail. The man shows his rage clearly
You obviously watched a different trial to me
You suck
He should not have been put in prison for so long....
All the victims need to get charged as well for their part and behavior that caused this tragedy. If it wasn’t for them this wouldn’t have happened.
Exactly
Exactly! I agree with you!
I saw the video, not knowing anything about the case, I instantly felt bad for the man. Wishing I was there to defend him.
the teens were initially charged with underage drinking but the judge dismissed those charges because of what they suffered at the hands of Nic. They didn't deserve any more punishment, you gober.
@@TJ-so9xo you sound like you’re one of their parents lol 😂
@@banana_loaf1046 what would be SO funny about that? You are disgusting.
Self-defense has a limit. This man re-engaged after his supposed threat had ended. He also repeatedly lied about the situation.
Many were wrong that day but he went too far.
SPOT ON
How had the threat ended? Gotta be kidding me. Watch the video properly.
@@crippledalien5937 They were all separating when he pulled out the knife and stabbed 5 people killing 1. They ALL in this situation were wrong. No one is coming out good on this. Everyone there has to live with their actions that day. But no one should have been stabbed. Then lied about it and acted like it didn't happen. I live in WI more than what is shown on UA-cam has been on TV here. This man didn't head out that day to stab people. But he went too far. Everyone there was foolish etc.
I wish the judge would have at the very least commented on the horrible actions of those kids and encourage them to make better choices in their lives.
Not sure they were all there today, were they?
My heart breaks for this man. how many could say what they would do if a group of taunting teenagers call a person a pedophile no one could say what might happen.its just sad all around.
What kind of snowflake are you that a group of kids could hurt your feeling bad enough to make you want to assault much less unalive them? You people are sick.
The one “friend” incite a riot and he should be charged. His behavior is to blame for all of this!
And the loudmouth Madison! Who involved herself yelling in his face pushing him. Not one punk testified they even saw him assault her. That sparked them to attack him…push him down. Miscarriage of justice here
Exactly
his behavior did not cause a child to bleed out. this delicate mans ego did
That guy who started shouting " he was taking pictures of the girls" is not white. He is above the law in USA.
@@crippledalien5937you are wrong, clearly
The bottom line is he killed a teenage boy and injured 5 others, 2 of which would have likely died if not for bystanders providing medical attention. While I agree the boys shouldn’t have taunted him, it is still not justified to mame or kill them because of “words” they said. He was never in any real danger, he had the knife and they had no weapons. He should have never approached them or grabbed their rafts. He could have walked away at any time. He punched a girl in the face because she was verbally defending the teens. He never once tried to provide first aid to any of them, he just snuck off like a coward and tried to disguise himself. He lied to the police. He said he didn’t have a knife, which he obviously did. He showed no remorse until sentencing and in jailhouse calls to his brother he talked about the kids being belly up and used derogatory language about them. Just because he is older and has never been arrested does not give him the right to do what he did. There are consequences for your actions and he deserved the sentence he got. Personally I think he should have received life in prison without the possibility of parole. Isaac will never be able to walk this earth again and his family will suffer for the rest of their lives because he couldn’t handle being called a name. Teenage boys are rowdy and sometimes say inappropriate things. It’s a part of growing up, and if you think your child doesn’t act differently when they’re with their friends, then you are delusional. I don’t condone what they said at all, but at the end of the day they are ONLY words.
@@dinabrown1710 Thank you, it is awful that people don’t expect teenagers to behave like idiots sometimes. He should never have approached them, his friends didn’t. He deserved life without parole. You are 💯right anyone who thinks they know how their kids behave away from view of their parents in groups is kidding themselves. They were also good people too.
I can see the other side. Everyone says he should have walked away. Well the young adults should have done the same & not have taunted him to begin with.
This ALL FIRST started with the young adults being drunk, approaching him, verbally taunting him, surrounding & then pushing him. None of this would have happened if they didn’t APPROACH him FIRST. They also bare responsibly for their actions however they walk away with injuries but free from any responsibility. Coming from a communist culture upbringing it leaves you scarred & traumatised. And what they did could have simply been a triggering moment for him to retaliate & make poor behaviour decisions. Remember some of the teens deleted their video recordings, accidentally by their account but who really knows as it could have shown us a different picture of what happened on that day.
Until
You’re surrounded by them in a river and you can’t get away..so you would die before trying to save yourself?? Doubtful
The judge is describing those bully drunks as wholesome kids. And as victims. Oh brother!
Where, outside of this town in Wisconsin, would the behavior of those kids be considered wholesome? But what was equally as disturbing, was how easily they all lied under oath, in this judge's courtroom.
Its interesting how some people see Miu as the victim when he only suffered a bruised ego while he murdered one and maimed several others. He was a gun owner and enthusiast so there would have been even more carnage if he brought his guns. You cant take someone's life because they call you names and this angers you. If you can walk away from a situation, it is NOT self defense !
Thank you. You are one of the very few people on here commenting with sheer logic. I agree with you.
@@MarkG-h2y Harsh reality of how unhinged/unable to control themselves, some adults are.
💯💯💯 agree, being an asshole teen with a mouth VS an adult who MURDERD them
It doesn’t mean you can’t feel sorry for both. It was a horrible thing that he did. He ruin others lives and his own
This sets a terrible trend for the future of self defense !
Two things can be true.
Did the kids act like bullies, yes.
Did Miu kill someone and maim others, yes.
This was self defense. These punk kids were bullies!
I am worried about him, he has lost so much weight. And he is absolutely right! Those horrible people are running free but he ended up in prison? It's unfair!
cry harder. maybe he shouldnt have lied to police.
That's weird. You don't know this person. And he was and still is an adult. At any point he didn't need to approach them again. So weird to have such a poor me attitude for someone you don't know.
He re-engaged after he was away from the threat.
Unfair? He made the wrong choice of pulling out a knife. All he had to do was walk away and call the police. I think he feels bad but he gutted a kid with the knife said kid is dead.
@@ladydeeluckno the kid he gutted is still alive, he stabbed another young lad in the heart
This is one of the most UNJUST trials and sentencing I’ve ever witnessed. He was truly in fear for his life! How do you run or walk away in a river when surrounded by a group of bullies and mob?? It’s very sad what happened to them but he was fighting for his life and this is exactly WHY you shouldn’t do what those kids did and bully, threaten and attack someone! Not everyone will take it from you and sometimes they will defend themselves!! Where is our country going when you can’t defend your own life?? Im calling on The Innocence Project to help this man! This now has set a precedence that one cannot defend themselves in life and death without the fear of being convicted and sent to prison!! Such a disgrace of our so called justice system
The young adults need to be charged. I feel bad for this man. It was clearly a case of self defense
I agree!! It’s bs what they did to him they were bullying and harassing this man! He was just defending himself, it’s those kids fault all this transpired from their actions period! This is unjust imo
Clearly not, since he was convicted. Stop worshiping criminals.
Your idiotic comment says to charge someone for insulting a person but let off someone who murdered because he was insulted. How do you reconcile that in your tiny, little brain?
Bullshit. He ran up on them and accused them without evidence of stealing a phone and he apparently still believed that nonsense judging by his phone calls. He pulled a weapon and attacked, he lied over and over. Now we hear today that he had restraining orders on him. He's obviously a violent angry asshole.
@@Kimbalbc456 no he was looking for his phone or goggles and the obnoxious punks started yelling harassing and bullying him!! Those kids have no respect for anyone else, they should have been charged too imo
If those kids had not been nasty and aggressive, this tragedy would not have occurred. I think he had reason to be fearful and a right to defend himself. Shame on the teens and shame on the judge.
I agree, this was self defense. They kept pushing him down how could he walk away he was trying to they kept pushing him down 😢😢😢
@@laurahendricks543 You obviously DID NOT watch the trial
You obviously DID NOT watch the trial
do the crime do the time.
he lost it, had a weapon, which he used.
then fled, and concealed evidence.
no remorse in interview with detective.
@@dgod62 why would he have remorse? They attacked him.
Total b.s.shame on jury and shame on Judge.
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Ripping someones gut out i call that a violent person .
You think he meant to do that? Self defence
@@crippledalien5937 he went after them after they dispersed weird standard for self defense
Most likely, an abuser.
@@crippledalien5937 stabbing that one girl and punching another in the face you really think that was self defense . A man does not put his hands on a woman. Period.
Self-defense
There needs to be a new trial with a fresh jury and the DA needs to be removed from his office. It makes me sick to my stomach that charges were even filed against this guy. He was surrounded and assaulted by a mob of drunk out-of-control violent lunatics that treated him as their prey. And when he tried to walk away they continued to pursue and surround him for further taunting. The only option he had was to fight his way out. What the F is wrong with the derelict DA?
Are you crazy ? You can't just be stabbing people BECAUSE YOURE ANGRY. The man had EVERY opportunity to leave !!!
Those teenagers followed HIM!! They put hands on him first. And that loser lady who went over and yelled in his face LIED and said he hit her. Its no wonder she didn't want to testify in court, but they should've made her get up on that stand and tell the truth.
@@mscarolynnigro He did try to walk away. The mob of wild drunks pursued him like a pack of hyenas. Each one of those attackers should have been charged with criminal assault. The DA is not fit for office.
Absolutely 💯
Remove the DA from office? Why? Because you don’t like the fact that charges were brought against a man who killed someone? So you think he should not have to answer for his actions before a jury? Okay
My dad told me at 18 that as I go out into the world, it is better to walk away than risk crossing paths with someone like this. You know your classmates, but you don't know strangers. On any day, something like this can and will happen. Lessons learned on both sides here. Hopefully someone's kids see this and learn from it. Don't act like these kids. Don't act out like this man. Two losses, very sad.
You don’t know your coworker, your neighbor, nor half your family nor sometimes your own spouse.
@@Piat65 you don’t even know your own self
Wise words, sober reaction. Amazing how many are defending this murderous individual who was the Adult and who could have just walked away. Sick individual who seemed to be drunk and on meds too. His walking like Night of the Living Dead is chilling.
@@PeaceNYC2011 You know the "kids" were 17-22, right? They were drunk and some were high. You must be drunk and high with this comment.
@kell8_ he wasn't cornered. He could avoid walked away. He chose his path, the same of the teens. They paid a price for their arrogance. Either way, both sides lost. Just mind your business and live to tell about it.
Them kids were all bullies. Sleeping jury's. This was not a fair vertic
I wish he would have walked away. Instead of defending himself with a knife. That was the wrong choice for him and those teens.
With that being said, those teens should have been held accountable for their part in this tragic attack. Those young women should be held accountable too for instigating the situation. Their liquid courage had them stepping up to the wrong man. Idiots.
Those kids didn't do anything illegal. They may have been loud and obnoxious but those aren't crimes. The only one who instigated anything was the convicted felon being sentenced. The women were only there as a result of his actions.
@@TruthHurts2u harassment isn’t a crime?
@@SamuellaOchorios You might be a sensitive little snowflake who feels harassed by a bunch of kids calling you names. According to WI law they didn't commit harassment because their actions didn't fit the definition. Especially when he engaged the kids first. You could say they were taunting him but that's not a crime either.
@@TruthHurts2u they all played a part and are responsible morally for what ended up happening to them and their friend who passed away. Hopefully this will teach them right from wrong behavior and how with every action there’s an reaction. You can just go around harassing people with no consequences. Unfortunately theirs was vicious.
@@marhee143g5 They didn't harass anybody and they weren't charged for anything. You can't F with people then claim, "No fair they were mean to me." You right wing morons are HUGE snowflakes.
You are right about one thing, you CAN'T go around harassing other people and this guy has 20 years to think about the consequences of his actions.
THIS IS WRONG IN SO MANY WAYS
This is awful. What an awful Justice system we have.
I can’t even watch this! It makes me so incredibly anger these drunk teenagers are getting away with lies and bullying
I guess my question is why didn’t any of these young adults get charged, they were just as responsible and could have walked away .. sure Mui is guilty but they are just as guilty and why to record and put on Social media for likes
@@estherryan4318 did they have a knife and start slicing people up? Did they approach him first? Were they not just minding their own business and having fun before he came over?
The drunk broad that walked into the water set it all off.
@@samwallaceofscotland hands can be lethal too. Stop making it out like they weren't doing anything
@samwallaceofscotland
No, they were not just minding their own business. He was a middle age old man who just recently had massive heart procedures done and was passing by searching for a lost cell phone when they started taunting and harassing him, calling him raper and pedophile. One was holding up a cell phone he thought might have been the one he was searching for. Then they circled him like a pack of hyenas, a girl punched him in the face when he was distracted by one of the males then they shooed him under water. That's when he fought back. Learn the facts before running your mouth.
@fionnmaccumhaill3257 nae bather keyboard warrior. I saw the video, multiple times, watched the trial, don't tell me wtf I saw. Then he ran away, threw away the knife and lied to the police!!!
Actions have consequences. Unjust verdict. They harassed this poor guy, and now they're the victims. It’s never okay to bully someone.
Does bullying deserve a death sentence?
@markwebster7435 yes, either from the schoolshooters where they were victims of bullying or from the verdict
I remember when this happened. They harassed this man they bullied him they provoked him and someone got killed someone got hurt. A reaction to action. These teenagers were the instigators and now this man is ruined, broken down. I would have been scared to death if these heartless teenagers came at me like that.
This is not rational. You need help
Exactly. This is why when I go anywhere by myself I avoid all young people. They are not respectful and don't have any manners.
@Angela-zu8dh there is such a thing as going overboard with retaliating
I think he should have got 7 years - he did wrong but not a life sentence for him -
Little shits those lads were - very sad one lost his life but I'm annoyed at this outcome
You need to take your meds. Don’t go outside either, you sound like a danger to the community of rational people.
20 years is insane. I have NO idea what those moronic jurors were thinking. 7 years would've been fine and those "KIDS" should be serving just as much time.
@@Mancer1980 drugs….. you need to lay off them…..
@@invisobill2125 books, travel and life experience...you clearly need a lot more of it kid. A lot.
@@Mancer1980 to think that he should serve seven years, and all those teenagers should also serve 7 years after five of them were stabbed, is insanity. Clearly you need more of those books and life experiences….
The herd mentality of those kids aren’t exactly innocent either!
I had to stop watching this and scrolled through the transcript to see the sentence. I’m sickened. He certainly had the right to use self-defense when he was pushed under the water. 20 years is so wrong.
He didn't have to engage with them. The river was wide open. They were unarmed. He told no one he had a knife.
He was getting attacked by multiple people and you don't have to tell anyone you have a weapon stupid.
Darn it he won’t get to vote🥺
@@Piat65 🤣🤪
They engaged with him!!!! They tackled him and hit him for no reason.
Unfortunately Wisconsin is the state where you are supposed to announce that you have a tool of self defense before proceeding.
Whatever happened to personal accountability in our society? It's sadly declining decade after decade.
Those teenagers behaved in an antagonizing, bullying, instigating manner. They were the catalyst for how this whole situation played out. Our justice system has failed them by not holding them accountable for their part in this.
To all of the people out here who are “ Ok”, with the way these spoiled brat teenagers harassed and physical abused this man… shame on you!
He could of walked away...why care what a bunch of teenagers say?
@@dihe1392 That’s not the point. You teach your children to respect adults not harass them.
@@dihe1392they ALSO could have walked away rather than follow him while yelling for “the culture” what culture were they referring to while laughing and harassing him both mentally and physically. You are part of the problem if you see no wrong in what those brats did.
@@LeeInMaine so handing out a death sentence to a kid was justice ?
@@LeeInMaineMany were in the wrong. He re-engaged the situation with a weapon and he lied repeatedly.
So surprised to see the majority in this chat see this man to of been acting on self defense.. another example of an abuse victim..just because he didn't get beat up.. he was bullied..pushed around..harassed..he was violated..and now he is the one facing jail time..had the video not been exposed.. probably nobody wld have believed him. Bottom line..we live in a cruel.. violent.. aggressive.. filled with hatred world...and the innocent victims are the ones who suffer most. 😢
I'm just gonna say this man was pushed to his limit .the way those kids harassed him scared him .look what happened.a kid lost his life .people injured ....sad all around as we know...this man should not be put in jail.....he is suffering just as the families are suffering.....free this man
He’d be free if he had just walked away.
All this guy did was defend himself. Those kids are messed up!
Not true. He crossed the river to where the boys were hanging out. He lost it.
I agree with BOTH sides - they ALL were at fault
"Miu describes the teenagers to his brother as "demons from hell" and "baboon bastards" and doesn't acknowledge he killed Schuman.
Anderson says Miu "can't stop lying" in the calls, saying he told his brother he didn't pull out his knife until after he was attacked and down in the water; the teenagers had knives; he didn't try to flee the scene; and he tried to run away from the groups.
The prosecutors also say in those phone calls, Miu accused law enforcement of hiding evidence, and blamed his own group, including his wife, for not stepping in to help him."
Yikes
WRONG VERDICT!!!
YOU ARE WRONG
@@RebeccaSurber-vw5wiwell SEVENTY TWO people so far agree that it’s the wrong verdict. so 🤷🏼♀️
@@RebeccaSurber-vw5wiget out of here. Troll
@@RobynHurley-zp9sh make me. Just because I have a different opinion doesn’t make me a troll.
Maybe he should have given him 12 yrs ? The kids were the intial aggressors.
the key word you used here is kids.
The initial aggressor is the armed adult man who ran up on a group of teens
He stabbed severas people..I don't want him lose in my community
"the kids"
No they weren’t….he went to them….did you not pay attention..they kept telling him to leave. He is a murdering macho creep.
The Judge got it wrong yes he should severe some time, but this all could of been avoided. Was there ang consequences for those drunk kids?
100% agree
A couple of them spent a long time in hospital and another one is dead . . . . .
@@TheGdav0202 They tried to lynch this man. Where are their charges?
Are those POS kids going to be charged with underage drinking? How did they get the alcohol? Why aren't they being charged for their part? This is an injustice, which is in line with the way this country is going sadly!
@@sophiesnuffy2563let just tell you something, this is all those kids fault from their actions!! Those obnoxious brats were bullying and harassing him and it took place in water he could have drown from them shoving him in the water! He should not be jailed parents need to start teaching respect and boundaries to their obnoxious brats and that is putting it nicely
kids have been sneaking and drinking since alcohol was invented. stop being a bungus.
Sorry for your unhappy teen years 😹!
@@sophiesnuffy2563u better hope nobody attacks u cuz u shouldn’t do anything about it.
I agree!!! Those kids Need to be charged!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Them half grown men was attacking that man..
😡 This is FUCKED UP
Shame on the “justice” system
JURORS FUCKED THIS UP
These “friends “ that talked so highly of him should have cherished his life when he was alive…. Remember it was you ALL who sealed his fate. Shame on you all
@@Nonna0228 good point! You’re absolutely right his friends sealed their fate
@@ICU264 💯 had they not been arrogant A holes he would still be alive. Sad but true when my dad would say about the neighborhood tough guys….one day they will mess with the wrong person. I wondered during the trial how often they egged someone on ya know? The entire situation is really sad but these kids messed around one too many times and unfortunately it became deadly. Mui will die in jail, a loss of life , Issac’s family will never be the same and the bullies will have to live with it the rest of their lives. I hope they carry immense guilt forever.
@@Nonna0228 I know that ALOT to live with!! 🙏🏻
😮I believe he is guilty. He gutted, stabbed and murdered.. he ran up on the kids while their butts were in the tubes.. how many times have people on both sides been drunk at the creek. either shout at each other or a quick fistfight. Those teens were not rough gang members, just a bunch of dorky college n high school kids. Who stayed in their tubes and spoke to Mui. He ran up on them with physical and verbal threats.. he probably did say he was looking for girls or little girls. The teens spoke up and he reacted, then they did. He was first with his hands and needs to grow some thick skin.
*he didnt just nic people. He didnt be a man on man fight. People just standing there were violently attacked. Or telling him to calm down or touch him to leave.
He stabbed with suck force that it pierced through the breast plate and heart..
**he flipped the blade around intentionally, stabbed that teen in the gut with such force. Then with such force, he dragged that knife upwards to that teens ribs all his intestines were out..
*plus others he stabbed. This is not fear or self defense. In 10 seconds he violently commited a murder, stabbed others and gutted that teen..
* 10 seconds. Just imagine sitting on the couch and getting up to put your shoes on and sit back down. Thats 10 seconds.. his 10 seconds are not self defense but murder and carnage. How many lay people can be violently calculated in their attack in 10 seconds with such rage n force of onto 5 people.
“he probably did say he was looking for girls or little girls” I’m sorry what???? Why the f*ck would you just make that up? Idiotic conjecture and/or projection. The IQ level in these comments is appalling. Good luck in life.
a bunch of dorky college kids??? i first saw the video before i knew anything about the case and i couldn't believe what i was seeing. i thought it's some sort of prank. they were acting like COMPLETE animals never stopping to escalate the situation further and further by LYING!
they didn't let him go back to his group and surrounded him. he was going there to search for a phone. have you even seen the trial?
but i admit. it's a lot easier to be on the side of those "kids" and not on the one of a foreigner. shame on you! and shame on these punks. may they forever have this 0.1% uncertainty eating at them, that they are responsible for what happened that day and to their deceased fellow culprit.
@drale81
Ur entitled to your opinion.
I do not harbor any shame and it's my opinion.
This pisses me off. This man defended himself from the drunken instigators!!! People need to peacefully protest this!!!!
Shut up prosecutor!!
This was a travesty!
An older man bullied and threatened by a GROUP of drunk and aggressive young people who was in fear of his life!
No criminal record!
This was self defense!
I do not know him, but I cried when he was found guilty, and then I cried at the beginning of this video, seeing that it was his sentencing- and I hardly ever cry watching these things! Dang!! He really doesn’t deserve this. He is not gonna survive 20 years in there, he looks so sick.
@@BoyMama87 maybe he shouldn’t stab people to death because he’s angry.
@@scvman992000 not sure I would say he stabbed someone to death… that looks very differently in my mind using those words
You should cry for the people he killed, gutted, punched and maimed. This beast should have gotten LIFE in prison. They never bothered him, he started everything, at the end of the killing, he rinsed his knife off and threw it. He lied to everyone about this. Watch the trial
But the young man deserves to be dead? People need to raise they're children better, and adults need to learn how to walk away. This is very sad for both Miu and the others but Miu still has his life.
@@BOPretired2019 Did you watch the trial? They harassed him and then they assaulted him! I believe none of this would have happened if those hooligans knew how to act. Stop defending this type of behaviour.
I think the sentence fits the crime, but the groups that assaulted/ attacked Miu should also be held accountable for their role in what occurred that day.
Lesson to both sides,,,Just walk away !! He wanted to have last word and his ego wouldn't let him back down. A bad situation.
Total injustice. This man should not have even been charged.