Incognito Mode is a Lie
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Google settles a class action lawsuit claiming it mislead users about the fact that it was still tracking them while in incognito mode.
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I mostly use Incognito mode to look up really dumb questions😂
That is awesome 😂❤️
Me too bro 😂
No fr. I don't want my stupidity to be associated with my account 😭
Same, just that I use an incognito mode that actually avoids associating them to my account
I search stupid questions just to throw off google and make them think I'm some idiot who doesn't have an engineering degree 😅
If we all wait for Firefox compatibility to get better before we switch, Firefox is going to be dead before that happens and we'll lose our last actual alternative.
I think people really underestimate the danger of giving Google a near total monopoly over web browsers on non-Apple devices.
That's on Mozilla though. As a long-term user of Firefox, I thought of giving up the browser many times when they keep spending their small fund adding unnecessary features while removing actually useful ones (I miss vimperator). Performance and power efficiency also lags behind Chrome-based browsers big time but I guess it's in part because of developers' priority.
Firefox compatibility is fine
I use librewolf and so far its really nice, but I wish it didnt have some video playback problems, like udemy
exactly, "can't use firefox cuz compatibility" is such a monopolistic serf mindset, ignoring how false a use of "compatibility" that is in an industry; when sites build specifically for features that create INCOMPATABILITY by a company attempting monopoly.
It's like using a zigzag dented road in a car with square wheels and thinking the idea of round wheels is absurd.
Firefox compatibility with what? What exactly doesn't work in Firefox?
"Most sites don't work on Firefox"
If you misreport your user agent to Skype, features it usually doesn't let you use unless you're using Chrome or Edge will suddenly work.
Even then, apparently RTC in Chrome is broken in its own sense...
Seems some regulatory action is needed
As a Firefox user I can say for most of the web it works without issue. For the remaining few websites i use that the Firefox experience is less then optimal or functionality is limited i will begrudgingly use a chromium biased browser.
by the way, for the majority of these websites, switching the user agent to chrome will fix the issue.
and you can still have a brave install for the 1% of websites that remain broken.
I have yet to stumble on a site that doesn't work on FF.
But when that happens I'm not switching to Chrome, I just ignore that site.
I use Firefox on Windows and Android. The rare occasions where I open sites in Chrome, they are unrecognisable because i have so many blockers and anti-trackers active usually. Firefox just lets you do things that Google sure wouldn't want you to.
On my phone I really like Mull Browser (basically LibreWolf/hardened Firefox for Android)
The time to switch to Firefox was yesterday.
Website compatibility might be a pain, but by not switching over now, you're just giving Google more of a monopoly, and nothing will change.
@@manitoba-op4jxNeither and if i do then i just open it in whatever other browser i have available including Chrome lol just dont daily drive it but i get that might not work for some people.... We would have to know what luke was doing that made him feel like this is such a big issue for more context.
I've been using firefox for 5+ years and compatibility issues are incredibly rare. The last one I even remember is my school's healthcare site, and that was ran by some shitty company, so it wasn't some common site that I wanted to be on
Firefox since highschool 2002ish
I've used Firefox since before it was Firefox - from back when it was Netscape (I think I started on Netscape 4.5 or 4.7). Never stopped - used Netscape 6, which eventually became Mozilla, then branched to Firefox. I have Chrome, but it's pretty rare that I find websites that just don't work with Firefox. Where I've seen the most issues is with internal corporate websites (mostly Microsoft single sign on stuff causing the problems). Use Firefox - it has the only modern browser engine that's not Chromium.
I used to use Firefox.
But then I found out that they don't have a tablet UI on android. An upscaled and stretched phone UI does not constitute a tablet UI.
So now I'm using Brave.
I have used firefox for most of my life, never had a website that didnt work on it...
So i have no idea what Luke is talking about tbh.
Nah there are websites that'll refuse to work properly for whatever reasons but just work fine on chromium based browsers like brave, Luke gave a specific example with his scuba diving stuff, but I too experienced this in a government form filling website where I live with a weird bug that didn't happen on brave. It's rare but I still keep a chromium based browser around despite using firefox 99% of time.
Same, Firefox has never failed me.
firefox has nearly never failed me. been using it on mobile and on desktop for years. and I can remember only 1 time where a website was completely unusable.
I really dont understand what the issue is. Switch to firefox now. have a backup chromium browser installed for the rare instance something just plain doesn't work at all.
In over a decade of using it, I can count those times on one hand. Its absolutely usable for a daily driver.
I've been on Firefox for years. Saw the shitshow about Google destroying ad blockers for Chrome, and laughed as Mozilla publicly stated they would not be implementing any of Google's proposals that would kill ad blockers.
Same, I only use Chrome when I am forced...and I complain loudly about it. I hope Firefox gains popularity so that sites build better for it.
I’ve been on firefox for years, initially because it was the only one that could sync to my powerbook g4 (which was 10 years old at the time) and it continues to get better. It’s still terrible on ios but that is entirely apple’s fault.
Also a strong Firefox user here for personal use. Generally (regrettably) use edge for work related tasks. It took me far too long to go through every menu and disable all the stupid functions e.g. Why do I need a coupon redeemer on a work profile? Why do I need to have recommendations force fed down my throat. If I open a browser / set specific home pages I semi expect when I open the browser again only those pages get opened
Then Google started making it so that UA-cam doesn't work properly if you're using Firefox
Just FYI - Firefox is not concerned as much about your privacy as you might think
I’m pretty surprised by the flack for Firefox here. It was a bit of a learning curve, but after literally 2 or 3 days, I stopped even noticing the difference.
I added a few QoL extensions, and the default mobile/desktop sync features are really nice and comparable to Chrome’s. I haven’t noticed any of the issues Luke mentioned, but my use cases are likely pretty different tbf.
Like they say, it’s not so much that Firefox isn’t good or that it doesn’t have the features that chrome has (it does), but that certain specific sites just aren’t built to support it
@@PabAng Used firefox since 2020 have had no issues on any websites. Personally I feel those websites are just outliers and shouldn't influence your decision that much. Just switch every now again when you need to go on them.
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On the note about the sites, to me that usually works out as filtering off unprofessional, or possibly scammy sites, so I suppose that's a plus for me.
I've used firefox since I was a child in elementary school and got Internet access. I didn't even KNOW there is stuff that doesn't work on Firefox. I haven't encountered issues that are browser-specific ever.
Correct, the time to swap to Firefox was years ago.
You're also correct that there's a huge amount of really lazy web devs out there that don't check their sites and code on multiple platforms.
I have issues with forms mostly. I'm 99.99% on Firefox these days and avoid using Google services (outside of youtube).
I really wonder why switching to Firefox is such an issue for Luke/Linus, I have been using it for 10+ years and the only time I needed another browser was for some web development stuff in Uni.
Heck, I've been using one version or another of Firefox for over 15 years now. Most recently Waterfox.
There are a lot of good alternative browser options out there. For free.
One of the only reasons I use Chrome these days is if Firefox doesn't support a particular feature (web serial is the main one I can think of)
On one website I actually use a QoL feature (multiple ranges in selection) that Chromium doesn't support cause... honestly the Chromium devs just suck from my experience. (Out of my head: see recent JXL thing to get a taste and e.g. if you are on GNU/Linux Chromium users will always get PNG in clipboard instead of the image format you copied cause Chromium devs don't support the decades old standard while FF does...).
So yeah my site works best in Firefox.
because it struggles with certain websites.
No, certain websites struggle with it.
I switched to Firefox last year because of their then-new cookie isolation features making it harder for companies to track you across websites they don't own. Haven't had an issue with it in that time. Honestly, it might be time for The Firefox Challenge with these two, similar to The Linux Challenge and The Intel/AMD Challenge!
This
I've got a hot take: It wasn't a lie or even deceptive at all. If Firefox did this, and Google still tracked you, you wouldn't be calling Firefox liars now would you? Google is just a website. It's not Chrome. Chrome is doing exactly as it says it will.
Yeah, it never said anything about being able to protect you from tracking by websites
Conflict of interest
The difference is that it is a lot easier for Google to stop Google from tracking you, they are responsible for their own actions.
Mozilla is not responsible for what Google does.
Not sure why this is a hot take. That's all true.
@@0106johnny it even explicitly says that it can't protect you from tracking by websites.
I use Firefox for 13 years now (started when Nightly builds were the only x64 available). I never liked how Chrome looked, with its convoluted pseudo-simple UX, and I especially dislike how it renders fonts and many other interface elements. It also has problems with zoom on some pages, which I use constantly as a person with bad eyesight.
Before Firefox, I used Maxthon - a comprehensive mod over Internet Explorer =)
I use chrome for work (because of the whole google ecosystem) but in my private life, i've been using firefox for almost decades now on my PC. I use it exclusively on my phone for over a year or 2 now. Can't remember if I ever had more problems with firefox than chrome in the last 5 years...
I used chrome extensively on windows, as soon as I switched to Linux, it looked absolutely horrendous and Firefox began looking much better. Not sure what the cause of that is other than maybe windows rendering being shit and levelling the playing field
I never understood why zooming in frequently makes photos and videos smaller in Chromium browsers.
Maxthon was faaaast
Since Chrome having incognito mode inception, (as a tech enthusiast) have never had any other interpretation that the mode was ANYTHING but a way for kids to look at websites and not have their computer illiterate parents not find out about it. ISP's, or literally anyone tech savvy, will be able to sniff network Intranet traffic and find out what you're doing.
I literally haven't had issues on any sites on Firefox.
I think it would be very difficult to implement a fix to Google tracking incognito. When the browser makes requests to the website in incognito it doesn’t flag the request as an incognito request. So unless they just stop fingerprinting which is highly unlikely they just treat all of it the same way.
The main thing here is that stuff like Google Analytics is on most websites anyway. So even if incognito didn't directly track you, they'd still be able to track you across the majority of sites anyway.
why does nobody block the request on network level?
why did the original get taken down?
Probably the thumbnail/processing?
i use always firefox, never had any problem with firefox
12:00 There is a "big shovel" called AMES. They own Ames, Jackson, Razor-Back, True Temper, Union Tools, and a bunch of other brands found in most stores in the US.
I've switched browsers many times over the years between the big ones Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer, Edge, and I'm currently back to Firefox because of the lack of tracking. it seems to work on almost everything except some government sites I might have to use. I genuinely don't know why this is a problem for Luke and Linus.
I would recommend putting Firefox on Grandpa's PC or your motger's PC, import their bookmarks, and see if they notice a difference with a new PC or fresh install..
I've never had an issue with Firefox ????
fwiw, as they say, it was always absolutely clear with a bare minimum of research (not even requiring particularly deep technical knowledge to understand) that Google is tracking everything on pretty much every site that uses any google web features, not to mention every one of their actual products.
I use incognito mode when I'm too lazy to clean my history after visiting "certain" website, never expected anything else from it
Either looking up sites I just don't want in my normal sessions, cookies, or stupid questions, I don't want to skew the ads I am forced to watch for months.
Even with Firefox not giving data, there are too many data points it can not block which are being used to track you.
Everything comes full circle hey?? It's ridiculous that it's 2024 and we still have websites that "don't work on (browser)", we're back in the 90s and need those "Looks best on IE!" buttons.
Thing is, FF does work on websites.
I constantly have to remind myself that the vast majority of people using computers have no concept of how the various parts of their computers work. Just like the vast majority of people doing understand how Tesla's "full self driving" feature works. Using the word "incognito" has the same implications of privacy that using the phrase "full self driving" does. Its intentionally deceptive marketing that implies it does something that it 100% does not do. This lawsuit is 100% spot on, but I doubt it will be impactful enough to be considered anything other than the cost of doing business for Google.
It was always a not-so-secret secret that Google takes every last drop of your data no matter what you are doing on your Chrome browser, incognito or not.
Part of the name must be "incognito mode". If I don't tell e.g. my parents where I'm going, I don't go out wearing a disguise to be incognito, I only kept my destination private. I'm not hiding my identity in traffic.
The audacity of them to put a chrome ad on this video is insane 😭
you know they dont choose the ad rolls right?
@@xeon2k8 not on their part, Google’s
Google doesn't either lol. It's all the algorithm choosing based on your personal account
Your comment is why the adpocalypse exists. Because you think (or more importantly, the advertisers think that the viewers think) that someone specifically chose the ad that you saw for the specific video you saw, and you are blaming "them", when it might as well have been a complete coincidence (or more likely, algorithmically choosen based on your interests).
"How dare they put an ad for birth control on this christian propaganda video?" (or maybe it was the other way around) was the first instance of this trend I noticed many many years ago and I was dumbfonded as to why people assumed that the non-ad content had any impact on the ads. Nowadays that's true but I have a feeling that it started because people assumed that was happening anyways.
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I don’t think I ever thought of Incognito mode as anything other than “turn off browsing history”, it was purely a way to prevent awkward search results when sharing your device with other people. I think most people who would have been misled don’t even know that such tracking exists in the first place, and most people who know the tracking exists also know that Incognito mode doesn’t stop it.
I used to use Firefox back in the early 2010s and eventually switched to Chrome in the mid 2010s. After a few years when I started to see how little Google cares about privacy and how bad the android version of Chrome was, I switched back.
Switched fully to Firefox a couple of years ago now, I still have Chrome installed for the very rare cases where I face some kind of website incompatibility but that comes up maybe 2-3 times a year and built-in website translation is better on Chrome which is occasionally useful.
What got me to switch actually was fullscreen functionality as navigating between tabs when using fullscreen is far better on Firefox and something I do fairly often on my laptop.
I've only ever used incognito when I need to check something without being logged in to some account and/or don't whatever being on my history. Also, I use FF on my PC exclusively and use both FF and (mostly) Chrome on my android.
Just because something uses Chromium under the hood doesn't mean "its Chrome" the browser. Chromium is OSS and doesn't come with any tracking or privacy issues related to the Chrome browser.
It's true that Its hard to go completely incognito, but Google with all it's auth/metrics/ captcha services place them on whole other level than 99.9% sites on internet
I always thought of incognito as a local device thing, no history, cache, cookies, I never believed it did anything outside the local device.
My first browser was Netscape, then Internet explorer (sad times), then using Firefox exclusively since 2005 in windows and android since 2016. I use chrome for a few sites, about once every two months... I'm a developer by the way, always trying to stick to web standards.
Oh god. As a web designer back in the days of Netscape, I can say I hated Netscape. It would take a web page that worked in every other browser and and turn it into a jigsaw puzzle put together by a blind three year old, lol. Still get a visceral punch just hearing the name, lol 😂
When I first heard about the change to manifest v3 I wanted to rip that bandage off and switched to Firefox.
"It's not time to switch to Firefox... some websites aren't designed for it" - They aren't designed for it because people don't think it's "time to switch", and since people won't switch, nobody will design their websites for it. That argument was frankly utterly stupid, considering it was the other way around a few years ago.
"Would you like for homeless to have homes? - Yes...? Are you gonna build them? - No...? Then what was the yes for?" - You've played a classic Jerry Smith right there.
@12:26 Extremely weird for Luke to act like Firefox could NEVER be widely used by people who don't want to use Chrome/Chromium Browsers. Especially as a tech person, he should understand that Firefox has been around for a long time now and it's one of- in my personal opinions- the best browsers around. I have been using it for over a decade now, and I've only ever used Chrome on work computers. Firefox has everything a Chrome user would want, without actually being the resource hog that Chrome is. This isn't a personal attack against Luke, I genuinely enjoy watching him and most of the time I actually agree with what he has to say, but I feel like this is his bias coming out. Especially when his only complaint for Firefox was that "websites just aren't built for it", and then proceeded to list a singular website that was for a personal/non-work related activity, and even admitted how the website developers themselves were at fault for it not working properly.
1. Chrome is the default for most orgs if it’s not edge. Most non tech people don’t care about changing to Firefox. Firefox also generally has some oddities around what css etc it supports. Developers are going to make sites for the biggest share.
Floatplane must not work right on Firefox
@@Kulaan he never said that…
I always assumed Google itself was still logging data in Incognito mode. I'd never heard of this lawsuit, and, honestly, it's more shocking to me that other people didn't know that, than any other part of this. Like, really, people?
To me, it was really clear in the disclaimer.
I just reinstalled windows on a new (very old) laptop and installed Firefox, not chrome. I was gonna have to switch when manifest v3 is forced because I'm not giving up ublock origin.
I have been running firefox for close to a decade, and the only time i had issue with a website was caused by me messing around with about:config
I never used incognito mode thinking I wasn't able to be tracked. It's always been about local browsing history for the user and other users of that computer. Why did Linus and others think that it meant something different? Glad to hear that Luke knew what it was as well. The warnings are quite clear and never say that you can't be tracked on the backend or behind the scenes from the user. This is all about keeping what you are doing secret from other users of that computer (device).
Really strange. I'm pretty sure the text was there that tells you what incognito does since it existed.
It didn't always. It used to be more or less just telling you that you're browsing privately without any of the other context. They got some flack for it several years back, so they added the extra text to clarify that they don't stop websites from tracking you. I really don't get Linus's take here.
I always thought it was clear that incognito mode was on your own computer only… it wasn’t until the do not track features that it got confusing for users.
Something to keep in mind is that a lot of Firefox browsers will tell websites that they are chrome in the metadata, to bypass dumb screens that say "please download chrome" on a website that works perfectly fine. Metadata isn't accurate.
The fact people have to do that should tell you how fucked the Internet is.
If they still track me in incognito mode, then why do they show me ads in the UA-cam app when I have premium?
inb4 google taps on other browser history by just simply keeping it installed
Using the argument that "some websites don't work on firefox" is so insanely oudated
And they never give and example too. Feels like bs argument. Is it menue/UI animation that instead just pop instead of scroll to view?? If so: who cares?
I’ve used Firefox for about 8 years now. I find it so much harder to do certain things on Chrome. Some things just randomly don’t work as I expect and some things I expect are moved or missing.
Living in and developing websites in Firefox, I actually need to fire up Chrome pretty rarely. Just for testing prior to launch, occasionally to use a plugin that I don't want installed in my main browser and on very rare occasion, for an incompatible site. Incompatible sites invariably tend to be either Google-owned tools or government portals.
started with chrome then moved to Firefox for years. About 4-5 years ago I then switched to Brave cause for some reason Firefox wasn't working in my normal usage and it was eating CPU and ram for 3 square meals a day. Love Brave, it's been great for my needs. Work wise I use Edge (boo corporate) and chrome.
I'm a web dev, using FFX since forever, I rarely ever needed another browser - even then it was usually some artificial user agent limitation from Google or Microsoft.
I daily FF on my phone, and my computer. DDGo on my laptop, chrome on my phone. I thought it was chromium???
Been using Firefox almost constantly since 2008. Have rarely encountered any problems.
I mostly use Edge because I can log into my school Microsoft account and it syncs up all the bookmarks and stuff. And since Edge comes preinstalled with Windows, every computer at the school has it and it automatically logs into the school account (that has all the work and bookmarks I added back home). That's pretty much the sole reason for switching and now i've just got used to using it over just "regular" Chrome.
I think even knowing that incognito mode is no incognito mode, it still has its usage, let me defend my point:
- I, like probably any single person in here, tend to visit adult websites,
- Few times ago these websites were sent to ad services to generate targeted ads and suggestions on social media.
- I ended up seeing adult content on facebook ads, sometimes when scrolling in front of young siblings.
I am not saying google didn’t collect the data, but i believe it’s in their interest to pretend they do not, because misleading.
I ended up having my problem solved and I, as well as many others, pretend we don’t know.
I was one of the 3 that bought the Christmas album since June, and let me tell you, it was well worth the $5.
I'm still waiting for the WAV remaster ;)
As with some other people in the comments here, I too just use Incognito to look up stupid questions, or to look at products, hardware, cookware, whatever, to not skew my ads for the next three months.
I never directly assumed Google wasn't tracking me. I just use it as a troubleshooting too to generally simulate using a different device.
Only reason I havent switched browsers from chrome is because of all of the little quality of life settings I have in easily clickable positions and menus. Not because of how fast it is or what profiles its connected to or whatever, all that can be transferred over but the work stuff like Luke said just flows properly and switching over would ruin that flow.
Exactly, force of habit. Even tho other browsers have the same tools, the do it a little differently than what you are used to. Me using brave firefox after v3 fiasco and still strugling.
I gave up on Chrome years ago and have used Firefox ever since on both desktop and mobile on android. While some sites might not be as proper as the would be on a chromium based browser, it's not the norm, and for the ones that truly don't work right that I need them to in that rare occasion where its a necessity, it's not like you can't just have a secondary chromium based browser in the rare instance where you need to access some truly borked website.
The pros of Firefox vastly outweigh the occasional cons of a website that might not work how it would on Chrome or a less than perfect formatting issue. I'd rather a page look weird than have a browser that actively ignores my privacy to my face.
My issue with Firefox wasn't site compatibility, it was that it's just objectively worse for multi-window browsing, especially for lower end systems. Because of the way the renderer is implemented, having multiple windows fills up your GPU memory very quickly, which not only slows down the browser but the rest of the system as well. This is even worse on systems without dedicated graphics like laptops, even relatively powerful ones. Chromium-based browsers notably do not have this issue, meaning that it's ironically the better choice for heavy browsing on anything with integrated graphics.
I tried for months to like Firefox, but I just couldn't - in the end I just switched to Thorium and have been very happy with it.
8:20 "not built to work on firefox properly" is such a twisted way to argue in favor of a monopoly.
Sites are meant to be built for browsers PLURAL, not a singular browser as that is incompatibility .
It's like using a in a car with square wheels on a zigzag dented road and thinking the idea of round wheels that go anywhere smoothly is absurd.
"cuz compatibility only use X" is falsely using "compatibility" to argue in FAVOR of cross browser incompatibility.
When sites build specifically for behavior/features in ONE browser that is what creates INCOMPATABILITY in favor a company achieving it's own embrace extend extinguish monopoly.
It's silly to aid the propaganda for the long term marketing campaign "works only in chrome".
I thought everyone knew incognito pretty much just made your browser not keep history and cookies.
Tech literate, yes. Normal people no.
As a Firefox user I have never encountered a website that has not worked. I have no idea what anyone here is talking about with "compatibility".
I switched to firefox when google kept pushing to make an user profile and I finally accidentally clicked yes. Deleting that profile deleted all of my bookmarks and the like from the computer they came from.
I prefer Firefox's ability to customize the UI over Chrome (multi-row tabs FTW!), but yes, I'm currently mainly on Chrome because some sites I use daily have issues with FF. HOWEVER, I will often have anywhere from 3 to 8 browsers open at once to highly compartmentalize my work. I don't understand people that only use ONE browser because of that. But I know I'm an outlier on this.
Which websites have issues with Firefox?
Which one ?
Like really, I've never encountered a single website with issue with FF. Except maybe browser version of zoom. But who cares about zoom
The only time I had issues with using Firefox is when UA-cam threatened to slow down Firefox use, which I've used a user agent switcher plugin to get around that.
I have been using safari on my phone, chrome on my desktop and Firefox on my laptop. I have *no* idea what they’re talking about, it’s handled 99% of things completely great
I just don’t want creepy ads afterwards
you need to take into account that user agent string is a fingerprinting data point. Therefore someone who respects privacy is also likely to replace their string with the most average basic bitch agent string as possible, EG, chrome on windows 10 x64. Also, as a firefox user, i found ONE website that didn't work with firefox, google translate does not support pasting images on firefox. Dragging worked fine.
I used to use Firefox for everything until half of the internet stopped working properly if you don't use chromium
I’ve daily driven Firefox for years. I do have Chrome installed for compatibility concerns, but I honestly can’t remember the last time I had to use it.
I use Firefox and brave only when a rare website is not working right with Firefox.
7:31 Vivaldi just has too much going on. It's built around being customizeable but man, it has a LOT going on right out of the box. It feels kind of overwhelming to me.
Recently switch about a month ago and I completely agree. The initial UI was pretty bad. I put in ~2 hrs going through every setting and getting something I was happy with. It is also not without some issues/bugs, but I am overall happy with it.
The fact that it's essentially a JS browser, makes it perform really badly when you ask too much of it. It sucks, because the additional functionality is really cool.
My school's resources website doesn't actually support Firefox. I had to go back to Edge to use the website. I also had a lot of hardware compatibility problems when using Firefox
Is it just a UA check? You can easily pretend to be Chrome.
Using VPN is great for security, but for people from EU it's good to know that you are giving up your protection under GDPR: for example trading your personal data is in EU almost everytime, it might be different in other countries. If you choose between connecting to USA or Canada by VPN, choose Canada, their data protection laws are generally better.
Firefox user since 2008. I've been on it and will stay on it even when all the other browsers get nifty new features. All the settings, scripts, extensions I use would make it difficult for me to switch anyway.
my university’s internal system doesn’t play videos on firefox. even on vivaldi, which is chromium, i have to refresh right after opening in order to play a video. that means all lecture and exercise recordings are unavailable on firefox
I've been pro-Firefox for almost 20 years. Did run Chrome on the side for a few years, until some sites became far more annoying on Chrome than they were on Firefox. Whether those annoyances were features or bugs, I can't be certain. PROPERLY syncing bookmarks between browsers was never easy--not gonna reinstall one browser to import bookmarks from the other, which never respected organizational efforts the way I wanted anyway. Then there's the addon situation, which has seemingly gotten worse lately with the ad-blocker fiasco. If I need a Chromium-based browser for an odd website, I'll use vanilla Edge because it's preinstalled. But that's maybe a once-a-month occurrence.
And then, for old-but-necessary Java-based web apps, I'll spin up WIndows XP on a virtual machine for Java Runtime 7u9 on Internet Explorer 8. The only thing that works for my all-in-one networked printserver from the year 2000.
I switched and have been using firefox for about 5 years now. Zero issues at all with it
"Is it time to switch to firefox?" But, switching to firefox doesn't actually stop Google from tracking you if you still use their website and services anyway!! Or visit any website that uses Google ads... So, ultimately, it does not matter.
As a daily driver of Firefox, I haven't met any problem in a while apart from Microsoft Teams maybe and google teams
I always thought incognito mode would just stop websites showing up in the history, and deleting cookies generated during that session. Also, to make the experience more real, searches in incognito would have a minimal effect on ads and stuff in normal mode.
Of course Google was/is collecting data and using it. Just a bit differently than normal data. No matter what they say they're doing or not doing. Same with Facebook, Apple and co.
That's the deal of the internet, you pay with your information.
I started using Firefox with Windows 2000, after which I moved to Ubuntu and still use Firefox.
Also my whole company is using Firefox. Actually I can not remember a website that has not been working with Firefox but with Chrome.
Forget the Linux challenge, we need a 60 day Firefox challenge
Microsoft WIndows 11 'efficiency mode' green leaves that appear in your task manager, are actually Firefox throttles. When you click to UA-cam, the hold before loading is intolerable. You can try making the mode cancel completely, but it won't. You can close down each leaf manually though, and that is when you see clearly that the browser was being held back. Microsoft claim, like Apple did, that the mode is for saving the planet and energy ... that's ABULLCRAPAHHH
I actually went the other way... I used to be on Firefox, and wound up coming to Chrome. Back in the day, Firefox had a memory leak problem, and they just never fixed it, and it would gum up my system to an annoying degree... I really liked Firefox, and I hated switching to Chrome... but now that I'm here, with all my integration between my phone, and my home PC. Having full access to both, from both... it's really hard to imagine going back to Firefox, much as I might idealogically prefer to do so.... We'll see how the adblock-pocalypse goes. If it really happens... that will be enough to push me back.
I had a problem with chrome not playing videos properly back in the early 2010s and switched to firefox and never went back
I don't know why Firefox is brought up as the solution, it would be susceptible to the same data collection by Google and others
A couple of websites being dogshit and not using universal standards sounds like a reason to launch edge one a year, but I've been daily driving firefox for years now and basically never encounter a functionality issue.
I switched back (after a decade or more) to Firefox when google started playing with web drm
For what it’s worth, I’ve never had an issue with PADI on Firefox while getting my open and advanced
I've always had the unconventional set up in my friend groups where I was on Internet Explorer for a long time then went into Firefox in 2014/15? I just didn't like Chrome and never saw a reason to stop using Firefox. But I also understand that I'm not doing any dev stuff and use it rather casually, so at most my biggest complaint is that my custom fonts don't actually work.
I switched to firefox, got the plugins I wanted, and didnt look back. I was able to disable the tracking stuff I wanted, got all my stuff imported, and it just worked seamlessly.
Don't let the Firefox discussion overshadow the first part of this. Was Google's defense really that all the "Chrome won't do this or that" sentences don't apply to Google, Alphabet, or any of their other programs, services, and products? Of course it would be reasonable to interpret "Chrome" as shorthand for all of that! Imagine your phone said "This iPhone won't record your calls" but Apple is recording it on their servers. It's just misleading, period.
i use firefox every day and i VERY rarely encounter compatibility issues with Firefox.
Literally every browsers incognito/private mode works like that, why was only google sued?