Linus and Luke Get Console-Pilled
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2024
- Linus and Luke discuss whether buying GPUs right now makes any sense when consoles are much cheaper and nearly as good.
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"Isnt anyone else just tired of being mad" Oh man, that is such a fucking moooood.
Don't have a cow dude!
Yup. Not just video cards either. Everything tech for me.
@@Samsquanch1994 I feel it. Going back just 10 years PC gaming while still being expensive didn't fell like a ripoff. We do have a it better when it comes to games but the gap is closing and the greed from corporations like Nvidia is getting old. CPU's are in a much better space but it has taken some of the fun out of it for me. I'm lucky to be able to pay $800+ for a mid tier GPU but it feels bad.
I don't get why everyone was mad in the first place, that's just the market. Like, are you mad when it rains outside? And it's not like you couldn't game, games ran fine on older hardware.
I get this too, and not just about computer parts. Ignoring those other things, we have to remember that people don't always remember technology because it's innovative, but because it is disruptive.
If you look back about 5-10 years even just secondhand pricing of Intel i7 chips was ludicrous, never dipping below the equivalent i5's MSRP. At the end of the day they were only a fast quad core and had been for many iterations. People remember and respect Ryzen 1XXX's launch because it completely disrupted this behavior of exploiting the consumer for technology that is principally ancient. Quad core was now entry level, and hyperthreading not price gated.
Although it was not better in every way, AMD displayed an imbalance value per dollar. Intel's sales practices not only held back consumers, but developers and businesses relying on their products to benefit their workflows which lead to huge adoption of their primary competitors products. Ironically enough though, they might be the one company that can bring balance to the current GPU market.
I just quickly went thru PC Partpicker and built a PC that would be the modern equivalent to what i have, same tier GPU, CPU, cooler, RAM, storage, etc... Back when i built my GTX 1080 system, like 6 or 7 years ago, i spent just over $1600 USD on the entire system (not including peripherals). That same tier of PC is now over $3200.... Literally double the cost... its insane. A modern $1600 PC will obviously still be better than my old system, but youre in a much lower overall tier of performance. Just shows how expensive everything has become.
New platforms are absolutely nuts, the motherboards especially.
I swear, DDR6 RAM is going to come to the consumer market before the last couple of generations of hardware becomes affordable.
For complete perspective it's also important to keep in mind how have user setups changed, we've seen massive shifts in what is expected at individual performance tiers. 1440p is now becoming mainstream, and the same tier that used to be 1080p cards is now 1440p cards. And whereas it used to be the norm to get 50-60FPS on these cards, it's now expected to get 60+, and increasingly more players are requiring 80 as a minimum. In other words, you're getting way more relative performance at each individual tier.
It's also just the GPUs which have become so expensive. CPUs have gone down, SSDs have gone WAY down, RAM is mostly cheaper, Motherboards are pretty solid unless you insist you need the latest gen. And you really don't need the latest gen for gaming. And again, the same tier of CPUs that used to be just about right for 60FPS gaming are now fine for 100+FPS.
Its always funny when people discover inflation.
@@CanIHasThisName SSD's are going up again. Samsung is gonna increase prices by 20% every quarter for at least next half a year. Ram is probably going up too cause of that. Motherboards have never been more expensive. (A good X299 board back in 2017 when the platform launched was 250-300. That's a basic Z790 or X670 board nowadays. And X299 was a HEDT platoform.)
PSU's overpriced. And we all know about GPU's. The only parts that aren't priced ridicously are CPU's and coolers.
@@drink15Don't. These prices are 100% over what they were just 5 years ago. Just don't even try to blame inflation.
I just built my first desktop gaming PC a few months ago and not counting extra costs of buying a monitor, UPS, and a fresh Windows install, it still cost me 1900-2000 Canadian pesos (Nvidia 3060ti for 560 CAD, or $410 USD, oof). I can't imagine paying 1200 USD for a 4080!
Feel that
4080 is 2k on its own in Canada 😭😭
what made you go with the 3060ti? was it more then a few months? 4060ti is same price and 6800xt and 7700xt beat the card handily for a $100 more.
not always dlss looks better up scaling at a lower res where fsr is only good at doing 4k quality. I would take the 4060 over the 7600 for ex. @@philliprokkas195
My wife got hit by a car at work(shes fine) and she treated me to a 3090 right near release (we camped out and they said they only had 3 3090s that day). When thinking about buying a 5080/90 with my own money im actually kinda shook at the prospect. Most ive ever spent was 270 on my used 1070 in 2019. Not looking forward to the upgrade lol.
I bought a ps5 and a 42in c3 instead of upgrading my pc. The total for those 2 was a little over 1300 after tax, pretty much the price of a 4080. With the way prices are now I don’t see myself going back. I built my current pc in 2017 for 800 bucks and it smashed the ps4 and xbone in performance, that kind of value is gone now
To be fair the PS5/XSX were actually somewhat on par with Powerful PCs on release, PS4 and X1 were both underpowered devices closer to a high end laptop
Depending on what you need to upgrade. Inflation sucks difficult to find those 99$ motherboards anymore. But found an rtx 3070 for 300$ picked that up cuz my 1080 was doing funky things like constant noticeable screen tears.
But I find some of these console games look amazing on systems much weaker then most PCs it’s very strange but it’s true.
@@ryans413 depends on how you are viewing the game comparisons. UA-cam compression sucks. In person side by side is the only proper way to tell.
@@iprodigy6723 Last Of Us on PC only looked slightly better than the PS5 remake. And it ran way more smooth on the PS5. That’s one comparison but it’s true.
Also, back in December, in the US, Walmart and Amazon had Xbox Series X with Diablo IV bundle on sale for $349.99 USD. And they kept that sale going for a like a week or two.
That’s actually how I got my Xbox series x, not with the Diablo bundle, but it was about a week before Christmas I went to my local Best Buy and got it for about 377 including taxes
Yea if you wait for a holiday sale you can score either console for suuuper cheap. Honestly if it was a Christmas sale, which are usually when the sales are steepest, you could feasibly get an Xbox bundle, PS5 bundle, AND Switch, AND a tv to play all of them, for cheaper than the fuckin' graphics card.
In my estimation, hardware whales are ruining the GPU market.
I got one at Target for $307
Amazing.
Xbox Series X, alone, costs 700USD in Brazil.
(PS5 with disc unit costs 800)
If you have a decent GPU, like 2070 super or so, an OLED monitors probably feels better upgrade than most GPU upgrade
Just got a tower with a 2070 super (I only use 1080p monitors for price sake) and it’s wonderful. Better than my gaming laptop I had
Someone still plays with those ancient cards?
@@random_profile_4046 mfw a 2070 Super is considered “ancient”…..
Anyway, yes. New GPU is way too expensive, I don’t play that much games that really require big horsepower, and I have PS5 anyway. I probably would want to upgrade my monitor, but since I already have a 1440p VA 32” monitor with 144 Hz support, really not much to upgrade into until I can get into OLED, which is still beyond 1000$.
The up-front cost of PC gaming has made console gaming the only option for me. $350 used Series X on marketplace = the next 5-8 years or so of being able to play every major title, some included with gamepass too.
The nice thing about these new consoles is that it also supports Keyboard and mouse. A lot of popular games like COD and fortnite support it making it a pc like experience and there's support for discord as well
@@silvawtf69it’s very nice, but definitely don’t expect it as a standard. The finals, overwatch, apex, battlefield, none of these have mouse support. If one of those are “your” game, it’s a non starter
@@MA-qu3hi the finals if I'm not mistaken supports kb/m but yeah it doesn't work with every game. I'm playing cyberpunk right now with a keyboard and mouse plugged in
@@silvawtf69 finals definitely doesn’t, but it is surprising how many single player fps do. That’s how I played cyberpunk also, atomic heart, metro exodus, high on life.
Same, I was hoping to upgrade my PC after the crypto craze died down. But I refuse to pay these ridiculous GPU prices. I will just stick with my xbox until GPU manufacturers stop price gouging or some must have PC exclusive comes along that forces me to upgrade. But graphically intensive PC exclusives are pretty rare these days and I doubt AMD/Nvidia will stop being greedy anytime soon, so I will probably be sticking with console for the foreseeable future.
While price gouging PC gamers may be a nice boost to their short terms profits. Seems like training your customers not to upgrade their PCs isn't a great long term strategy.
My 6800XT was a nice upgrade over my 2080, and I have not really seen anything that makes me want to upgrade.
I had a 2060. I passed on both the 3000 and 4000 series cards. Instead opting for a 7900 XT. Perfect for the 1440p 240hz display I also upgraded to.
Agreed. RX 6750 XT here, but older/previous generation tech is _still_ more than fine and serviceable today.
5700XT here in the same boat. It still runs absolutely everything I throw at it at over 60 frames in 1440p. There's literally no reason to upgrade at the moment.
Just picked up a used 6800 XT myself and it's great so far.
My last three GPUs were, in order, a GTX 260 Core 216, a 6950 (flashed to a 6970), and an RX 480 8GB. I wanted to go Nvidia again just because I like changing things up, but their pricing and just outright scamming with the 40 series convinced me that I never want to do business with that scummy fucking company ever again. And that was before Nvidia pulled their bullshit trying to take employee money donated to Palestine and redirect it to Israel to win more tax relief for the offices they run there.
Fuck Nvidia, they wanted to become "the Apple of video cards" and I guess they've achieve their goal.
How much for the 2080?
For probably the first time in my life, my current PC will probably "die of old age" with all its current hardware. R9 5900X, 6900XT. I know it's not low end or old by any means, but since I built it more than a year and a half ago, all the new games are "meh", all the new hardware is barely better than mine, and I keep going back to older games anyway. For work and non gaming stuff, my hardware is and will keep being overkill. There is nothing left to do on my desktop. My love for pc building is literally dying because there is no point to care about new hardware anymore.
Same boat as you. Running a 5950x and 3080. Play old 2009 games … new games are so boring to me and hardware is a joke now. Either use it to play old games or pc collects dust.
Yep. I started out with dip switches and swapping hardware on forums and stuff, it's all blah now. This was a lot better hobby when the bar for entry was knowledge and effort rather than money.
Same here, man. But I like the idea of having a maxed-out i7-2600K build originally started in 2011, tooped off with a 1080 Ti in 2018. I'm checking out of multiplayer for the next decade, probably. This PC is still fantastic for the single-player games I've skipped, gamedev, and everyday use. I want my ashes spread in this thing.
I can play Baldur's Gate 3 on the Steam Deck in _Split Screen_ mode with another person, and it still looks halfway decent at low presets. Unbelievably well optimized given industry trends.
That's what happens when you develop your game in early access.
That’s true until you get to act 3. That game really falls apart in the performance department.
@@iurigrangact 3 is definitely worse but it’s not that bad, at least not anymore. It does occasionally chug for a few seconds though in some areas
I think the problem is that they just stopped making their prior generation cards and now they are all gone (at least here in New Zealand), you just can't buy them new in any store. Prices on the used market are adjusted to what you can get new in the store so they're high too, there are no bargains to be had out there. I hope they keep making this generation of cards all the way through the lifetime of the next gen, because that's the only way I see prices coming down.
They are still making 3060 I thinl
@@p_serdiuk seems like you are right, there's still lots of 3060's available. I missed it because they cost _even more_ than the latest gen Radeon card equivalent (the rx 7600). I've haven't been looking that closely at Nvidia cards because I'm linux exclusive these days and they have several annoyances that radeon cards don't.
These is also the gtx 1650, but man, with only 4GB of vram and still over one third the price of a playstation 5... It's barely an improvement over my existing 1050 Ti.
@@korakys i got a 1080 for $135, still too much for how old it is but it does what i wanted
Man linus really is a great background noise while at work i love the server and house updates stuff. I hope he keeps fixing up house tech lol
The only way to get Nvidia's attention is to say "If you price the 5080 anywhere near $1200 USD, I'm not going to review it." THAT is what will get their attention.
It really wouldn’t. Reviews help the hype cycle, but no way a single reviewer, even one as big as LTT, has enough impact for that threat to be more important than whatever reason they have to price it at what it is.
@@iurigrangif they all banded together they could. UA-camrs are huge part of GPU and CPU advertising. You don’t see ads on tv for gpu’s you go to UA-camrs
He kind of did with that combined super review. Usually, each card is reviewed separately
I have a 3080 and a 5700x, bought just before the generation changeover... I genuinely don't have any plans to upgrade any time to soon. It plays just about everything at high settings and doesn't break a real sweat doing it. It genuinely is impressive how powerful computer hardware has really become.
Same got a 3070 with r9 5900x right before gen change, made me so mad
@@Lee-wh3ht I intentionally waited until the "next gen" hardware was announced/ released. Reasoning that all the major bugs should be ironed out and more likely to grab a better deal with companies wanting to clear stock for new inventory.
Similar system here; A 5800X3D and a 3070Ti that I bought last year. The new Gen's hardware was too pricey and looked to be not worth the trouble so I decided to max out my AM4 system instead.
I have the same setup and I’ll prolly wait until the 3080 dies before I upgrade unless I find a stupid deal I can’t pass on
For $449 exactly, I got an Asrock Phantom Gaming OC RX 6800XT just a few months ago, but it seems like those are hard to find. 16GB of VRAM at that price feels like a better deal every day
No, there was one in the video. Linus passed over it because he's a Nvidia shill. Doesn't even acknowledge AMD exists, while crying about Nvidia. Get used to it, because Nvidia doesn't match prices anymore because fanboys don't buy AMD. This only stops when the fanboys stop, which they need to admit they have a problem first, which doesn't seem to be happening.
@@JohnDoe-ip3oq Satire?
@@bluairsoft2671 not satire because he's correct. Not even a single time Linus talked about AMD in the entire clip
@@yellowflash511 I'd argue that the clip spoke pretty well about the PC gaming hardware scene as a whole, even promoting that most gamers will probably stick with or go to consoles. (Which are powered by AMD funnily). They're two sides of the same coin and it's pretty fair to say Nvidia has a majority influence on the market and it's direction. I feel Linus and the team do a good job at presenting information for people to make up their own minds tbh
@@bluairsoft2671 Regarding consoles, only the PS and Xbox are using AMD. Nintendo Switch is using Nvidia. You are correct though, the video spoke to the situation with PC gaming hardware as a whole.
Was running a 2060 with no issues until a month ago, perfectly adequate for most of the games I want to play, including Baldurs Gate and even cyberpunk at lower settings. Got a second hand 2080 for free from a friend who wasnt using it and have been running everything just fine since. 170+fps in esports games and 100 in pretty much everything else. Theres really no need to go spend a grand on a new gpu for a lot of people if you have something that works.
Yeah, I'll second this. I bought into the 20 series cards and got a 2070 super. New cards seem so incremental for such a high premium. I don't get it. Next upgrade is CPU, mobo etc, and I've been running a 6700k since they came out. Our tech can really stretch if we want it to.
I feel like a lot of the people buy the latest because they think running the game on ultra instead of medium or low will make it so much better but imo you mostly just need vram to put texture quality high enough for them to be sharp at your resolution and put other details so that you average around 60fps and you're good. This is for singleplayer story games ofc.
Yup, exactly boys. I'm running a 2060 Super, which I bought in January 2020, at 1080 and it runs everything I need it to. Even Cyberpunk at good settings gets a 90 fps average. I'm not touching any of these new cards for a while yet: it does seem like there has been a trend to constantly upgrade regularly just to have the latest and greatest.
Moral of your story is to have a friend that feels the need to upgrade and doesn't mind handing you a device with a couple of hundred in value?
@@TorqueKMA while i agree that the guy's story is a little out there, he probably wasn't out shopping for a new GPU until his friend gave him a 2080
I was considering a RTX 4070 based PC for 1440p gaming but ended up buying a used Xbox Series X for 400$ with a elite series controller (less than the 4070 itself).
I just hooked my keyboard and mouse and play COD:MW mostly, Forza and RDR2.
PC tax is too much atm.
Im still happy with my 3060ti founders edition. There was a Discord bot that notified me when stock was avaliable and luckily I sniped one during the lockdown period. I then sold my really old 970 for just a bit more than half the retail price during the gpu shortages.
Well assuming your buying on Ebay and the card was listed as fully working you can just return that, even if they say they don't accept returns if the item does not arrive as described like you are 100% within your rights to return it.
With every new gen console aside from PS4, theres usually a window of 2-3 years where it doesnt make sense to upgrade a computer as they feel about equal aside from higher texture quality or flashier lighting or number goes higher, I feel like with PS5 and Xbox series X the bar set for what you should expect for a minimum standard of gaming is very high atm. FPS, res and visuals are at an all time high and the jump to SSD has been amazing. Getting a PS5 will do a majority of people unless you want to play an expanded library like previous gen games, a massive steam catalogue or emulation where a steam deck will then fill those peoples expectations nicely. Unless its for productivity or you've had a decent PC for a while now there not much point in upgrading to a PC or upgrading your current PC unless your running olddddd specs like 5+ years old.
I buy cards like this: when I can get a card that's twice as fast as my current one for less than the equivalent of 8-900 USD, I buy it. I went from a 780 to a 1080ti to a 3080. I just check benchmarks a few weeks after launch to see how fast the 80 class card is compared to my current one. If it's at least double, I check my local pricing. Usually end up buying it used about a year after launch
i upgraded from a rx480 (purchased new a year or so after its launch for around $300aud/$200 usd) to a used 3060 last year for around $200 yet again. there isnt much reason to really consider the pricing or launch perf of these cards when most reasonable people are picking one up years later used, where the market pricing changes drastically. my fear is with the end of hobbyist/small business guys doing bitcoin mining there wont be many good value used cards but I have heard of plenty of small business guys getting into local AI for some reason so hopefully that replaces it lol.
I've been building PCs for a quarter century. Complete builds INCLUDING GPU used to run in the ballpark of $1500 or so with near top-tier CPU, an x70 type GPU, etc. What that money got you would usually double - twice the cores, twice the RAM, more for less. Starting in 2005, I started running my rigs for 4-7+ years between fresh starts, upgrading GPUs more or less annually until the RTX 20xx in 2018 because we all know what happened with the 30xx series in 2020. (I didn't get a 3070 Ti until April 2022 because they were so damn expensive and I waited for an open box unit at Micro Center for $630. Ugh.)
I finally did a new build a year ago (7900X/32GB DDR5-6000) and fluked into an open box bargain RTX 4080 for $830 (a reasonable price IMO for what it does) and while I went way higher end than normal because I was getting into video editing, this rig cost me a jaw-dropping $2500 (66% more than my 2015 build - a Core i7-5820K @ 4.3 GHz/16GB DDR4/GTX 980 initially) AND that cost was about $1000(!!!) off list prices due to discounts, open box deals (e.g. ASUS mobo was $250 instead of $500!), freebies (CPU came with RAM), etc.
While playing CP2077 with full path tracing on at 100 fps on a 3440 x 1440 QD-OLED is pretty sweet, there is absolutely no way I would encourage anyone to get into PC gaming. I've been telling parents who ask my advice to get an Xbox and Game Pass for precisely this reason. $500 for a console and whatever GP costs for those not doing the Conversion Trick is a great experience. I know because I got a XBSeX at launch and that allowed me to play CP2077 the first time with decent performance. Now that I've got my new rig, I don't even touch the Xbox, but for a few years, it was my go-to.
I bought a used 6800XT, it was tested with the seller and worked fine for about a month. Now, it artifacts like crazy, it seems to be related to a defective memory chip. Fortunately, I still had my 3060 lying around. I don't think I will be buying used GPUs ever again, at least in my country. If you buy from eBay, you at least have some buyer protection.
have you tried contact the seller and see if he or she can help contacting the manufacturer about it
Look for a repairmen, vram problem can be fixed by soldering replacement ram from another board or reballing
Exactly right. I bought a used RTX 3080 a year ago. It worked fine for a year, but now it gives me frequent artifacts on my screen. I assume the previous owner used it to mine. I normally don't buy used GPUs, but the prices on current-gen GPUs were (and are) so insane that I would never buy one.)
@@selohcin sad to read that your GPU is giving you the same problem. It most likely was used to mine and they didn't take proper care with the voltage and frequency. I will check if there is a place where I can replace the memory and maybe repair it
How old is it? Most aibs offer second hand or serial number warranty
Me still trying to play games with a GTX 1080
Same boat with my 1080TI luckly for me I play old shit and have a P5 for the new things.
intel hd 520 gang rise up
May as well have some fun with it and get a second one for SLI!
Im still running games pretty decent with my 1080ti@ 1440 on high or med settings on lots of newer games
If all you want is 1080p/60fps then it's still perfectly viable. I'm running a 1070 and it's viable.
The price increases when demand was higher are STILL here and that’s so insane to me. I can’t really upgrade ANYTHING at these prices anymore
And my setup is OLD old
GPU prices have gotten out of control in addition to many other components for building PCs. I had to sell mine at the beginning of Covid because I had a 4790 K and a GTX 1070. I couldn’t run anything so I figured I would just part out my PC for cash.
My 1060 only recently started struggling with newer games, idk if theres anything I can do to squeeze more time, but I doubt I am going to be in any rush to replace it
As someone who loves playing VR games and wants to play many performance-hungry games in general, I wish that the additional gpu costs scaled better with performance.
It is sad to see many current gen GPUs release to be more expensive for the same performance as previous generations cards.
No kidding. VR is the only reason I needed something faster than a GTX 980 Ti. Literally the only reason. If it wasn't for that I'd still be rocking that card. I've currently got a 3090 because of VRChat being an unoptimized pile of nonsense.
I built my first PC back in 2013. I'm in the process of building a new one now to replace it. Yeah I put a 4070 ti super in it, but I should be all set now till well into 2030.
Or at least until 2025 🤣
@@Roach22 nah. FFXIV is only now getting its first graphics update since launching in 2013. I think I'll be good for years.
@@EziekielNightwind Well if you’re building your PC for existing games, then you might just make it.
Cyber Punk and BG3 also run fine on my old computer with a GTX 1070, i built that PC in 2016 and the only thing i've upgraded since building it is the m.2 drive. I'm pretty sure many of the BG3 settings still default to Ultra and it runs fine.
I play BG3 with a 980ti at ultra. It probably runs the game at 30 something FPS, but BG3 is a game where even a "cinematic" framerate of 25-30 fps is more than fine. A friend of mine plays BG3 with a 1050ti at low (and probably has FSR turned on) and it works just fine for him too.
This clip channel for the WAN show is just such a good idea lol
i bought a 3080 when it launched and i was very excited about it. I've barely looked at gpu's since
Luke, Morrowind on pc came with an editor kit that made that game way ahead of its time! Great game
still loving my gtx 1070, I dont really play AAA games but last I did I played bg3 and it ran ~30 fps on low/medium yet it still looked really good just being a modern game and the 30 fps didn't bother me much since it's turn based
I'm still a fan of cool technology. TSMC's N5P is still incredible stuff, and by extension, the 40-series are incredible machines. I just don't care about owning one.
With the death of SLI, I moved from a super tower to SFF, so the next time I'll be excited about a GPU is when there's a better single-slot card than the RX6400.
Im a large nvda shareholder. Im going to bring this up during shareholder meetings. I got into this bc of building computers. This is so important... To the heart of the companies and industry, and eventually their bottomline.
Yeah, if you hollow out your entry level stuff, you aren't going to get future consumers in the ecosystem to buy mid-high end cards going forwards.
@@megasoctopuslegionofcake6248 you get it
My first PC was a 1990 compaq in 1998 that was passed from a family friend. I took an education for employment computer repair class my senior year and slowly pieced together discarded parts from broken PCs to build my first modern rig I took to college. Today I’m a software engineer with too many high powered machines to count, and it wouldn’t have been possible for me to get here without the ability for a beginner to build a low cost PC from scratch. I sincerely hope this industry keeps an entry level system available to people.
Morrowind was my favorite, too, and it showed me what a PC could do.
I just upgraded from a 970 and a 6600k. Had been running 1080p@144 in esports games and 1080p@60 medium in other games. It was definitely starting to show age with new games but i ran baldurs gate just fine until act3. I think people to pressured to upgrade too soon
That, plus a lot of people don't compare what visual quality you get. Medium settings on pc are the max of what you get on consoles usualy. Everything above that in settings is something consoles just can't do at all. Heck, there's plenty of games where pc medium ks actually higher than what cknsoles offer, and most cards of the last 2 generations can consistently run medium of basically anything (only excluding stuff like the rx6500 and other such missteps).
Heck, most people don't really seem to notice that that high end pc costing 2k overall literally has has 3-5 times the raw horsepower of a console, if not more.
I personally upgraded from 3080 -> 4090, purely due to the resolution I play at + wanting to use RT/PT. But I am also fully aware that that's a stupid thing to do. And I truly do not think there's a reason to get a 50xx at all.
I switched to AMD this year almost solely because of Nvidia's nonsense. My 4790K and 1080Ti are good units, but the slow RAM and 4 cores started to show their age in modern titles. A lack of technology on the GPU meant I had none of the upscaling, raytracing, or specialty enhancements offered by any major brand...
So I got a 7800XT with a 7800X3D. I got the XT right at $500 which was right about a 50% performance uplift at the same price I paid for the 1080Ti back when the 20 series came out. Been quite happy.😁
Nvidia has been dumbo central. Pricing like that is just silly.
i worked at target during the holiday season, they were giving people $50 to $100 gift cards with purchase of xbox series x or even the quest 2. sony did do a sale, but just to move the older model. and the price of a series x was $350 at one point, and came with the gift card still.
currency is USD
I'm running my GTX 1070 still. I only use the PC for CSGO and LoL with friends, and then play AAA on a PS5 I got at launch at retail price - a time where a GTX 2070 would cost twice than the console alone
i bought a 6700xt on launch the red devil edition and im still super happy with it
I got in to PC gaming around 93, while I was in high school. I switched to console around the time the Xbox come out as I was in university and couldn’t afford to upgrade my pc. Stayed with console for almost 20 years as I always had other priorities to spend my money on (first house, car, kids etc.). It wasn’t until Covid that I had money, that had been set aside for a holiday I couldn’t go on, that I decided to build another pc. I have rediscovered just how much I love gaming on a PC. However, could I justify building a high end rig today with high msrp costs involved, absolutely not. Luckily I have a really decent pc that I have upgraded components on over the last 3 years, but I’m dreading the day I need to replace it.
With my 3080 ftw3, I used the DLSS3 to FSR3 mod or whatever its called with maxxed out cyberpunk @1440p with path tracing and it runs at more than 60fps.
I didn't even bother to watch the Nvidia presentations for the 40 series launch stuff. I mean I bought a 3080 but still. I remember the excitement and deciding to wait up till the 30 series launch. All the rumors and specifications. The exciting performance and the insane value that blew the stupid expensive $1200 2080Ti out of the water. No shortages or tricks my $800 3080 near launch came with a new $60 AAA game and a year of Nvidia GeForce Now too do they even do that nowadays
Are those WAN Show headphones earcups???
This is why I’m still running my 1060, at this point I’d need to do a full upgrade of my system (I’d need a new board for ddr5, new psu for the power hungry cards etc.) and I can just in no way justify it.
I can still play most games at medium at the very least and get respectable frame rates, and I can just in no way afford what even a new mid tier PC would cost me.
I think I spent about £700 on my current PC, I something new at the same tier would set me back around double that
Still running a GTX 1080 and a 120hz 1080p monitor. Don't feel the need to upgrade, unless I get a Valve Index sometime soon.
The nice thing about PC gaming while growing up is that YOU START WITH A PIECE OF $#!+ COMPUTER!
You learn to do the best that you can with what you have! Trade off quality for FPS! You learn which parts of the PC does what and what to upgrade down the road! You learn to make a budget, save money and shop around the used market!
I will eventually teach my children that, they’ll start with a desktop optiplex off of ebay with a budget of $200, and then after at least a year, their first upgrade will be whichever graphics card I can get them for another $200.
All the way up until they earn the flashy Gaming Laptop or Desktop, whichever their flavor.
Yeah the graphics settings menu becomes a game in itself when you're young.
Seeing stuff like this makes me realize what a "deal" I got on a 3070 summer of last year off Ebay for $250-$280 USD (depending on if you include shipping or not). Even then, I see the limits of the card more often than I care to admit with the VRAM limitation. It sure beats the $400+ it goes for new nowadays since mine looks and performs like it is new.
still playing with 1080ti, 1080p screen at 144hz ....no issues here and still looks fine.
Can run all games still without issue, sure newer stuff would be great, but them prices though...
IMO the AMD APUs are the thing to be excited about right now, especially given the rise of the Steam Deck and similar hand-helds. The prevalence of that performance tier acts as a strong target for developers that, especially given the success of recent titles such as Palworld, demonstrates a great entry-point for gamers with the APUs.
What's more, there is an incredible backlog of amazing games going back decades, all still playable on modern hardware, sometimes requiring use of a compatibility layer such as Valve's Proton.
This seems a strong path to take if the goal is to resolve much of the market issues for GPUs today.
Still using my RX 580 from 2017 paired with a Ryzen 5 1600. I run almost all games on the lowest settings at 1440p and I get about 75fps. Definitely looking forward to an upgrade but for now this is what I've got.
I have a 1080ti hybrid and its starting to have issues. I think the pump failed and it probably needs some new thermal paste because its stuck at 90 degrees and im just watching youtube. I do have 4k lg c6 oled and really wanna play cyberpunk :(
Running Baukder's Gate 3 on my 1080ti. Runs great at 1440 high.
I bought a second hand 3080 for 800 Australian dollarydoos just as the gpu market was settling down. Im not upgrading for at least one or two more generations as a minimum. Particularly as I use a 1440p 165hz monitor.
I still run a 1660 and run Cyberpunk on medium totally fine. It's VERY rare I ever run into anything under 45fps. Only time I see 30fps is in previous gen console emulators.
Honestly as a person who owns a built pc, a ps5 and ally. If someone asked me what they should get for gaming. And they have a budget between a ps5 and a decent pc (let’s say 1200) would honestly say steam deck if the games they want are compatible save the money and get a nice monitor get the dock and enjoy games. And probably either the legion go or ally with the same thing monitor and dock. My friend got his ally open box from Best Buy for 612 after taxes excellent condition.
Me running rx570 4gb, with no problem. Most games I play are multiplayer which means they already are made for low spec and story games don't entice me anymore after cyberpunk. That is a good game.
The more time passes by, the more my Used Titan XP i bought used 6 years ago seems to stay, will it be enough for 10 years? Card came out in 2016 and is still playing every games i buy at 1440p over 60fps, (it's OC'd to all hell but still)
I haven't bought a hard to run Game since Cyberpunk and that runs fine at high
I got a used 1080 turbo for $100, when it passed all the tests I threw at it I couldn’t believe it
I got a 2080S as 30 series was coming and even looking at the 40 series and im like eh, and before that I had a 7 series maybe I will need 50 series as Unreal Engine 5 is looking like a VRAM chewer for 16GB of VRAM but maybe not.
My 1050 finally got to the point it wouldn't support everything at the graphical levels i wanted in 2022, and i suspect if i had a 1080 i wouldnt have needed to upgrade just yet. If all i knew all i was gonna play was bs3 and pal world I wouldnt have needed it as well. I did however really enjoy getting to build a new pc, and would recommend to anyone to try it if they hadnt before, even if they didnt need to.
I'm still using an r5 2400g, rx 570 8gb, 16gb 3000, Flatron e2360 1080p
I have an r5 3600, rtx 2060 laying around that i have not built.
Mostly play Civ 5-6, Insurgency, BG3.
Bought a 3080 on launch in Dec 2020. 3.2 years later I have no plans on upgrading until next gen depending on the value relative to consoles.
As soon as nvidia and amd realised they don't have to compete with consoles the pricing went through the roof.
I've been saying it for a while
I got a 3080Ti on launch. No plans to upgrade at all. Likely will look at 60 series release point.
One thing I stumbled upon earlier was the collapse in the price of the Series S, yes it has a lot of issues, but you can get one used in the UK for £100, which is just incredible. It's cheaper than some previous generations!
I see your point about how expensive the high end is but look at those mini pc's that are cheap and have decent APUs look at all the games they can play. I think we as pc gamers need to shift our thinking a bit. my favourite pcs that I've built have always been the ones i built on a tight budget and focused on extreme performance per dollar. I recently built a friend of mine a pc out of used parts from my old computer and my brothers old computer as a Christmas gift, and i kinda secretly like that computer more than any flashy new pc Ive ever had because of all the time i spent on it. I imagine its kinda like how a car guy feels about his project car.
Still rocking my evga 1080Ti SC2 Hybrid on 1440p monitors and still haven't found a game I wanted to play where I felt like I needed to down the graphics settings down lol
I'm running an RX 5700 XT - it runs BG3 and Starfield on high fine - what is the point
I upgraded my gtx 1080 to a used 3080ti with ekwb block included. Had it for a year and it is flawless
Bought a used reference rx6800 for $330 back in November and it’s been amazing at 1440p. Undervolted and slightly underclocked and runs cool and quiet sipping 170w maxed out
The only reason that I have a desktop now is that my friend had a broken computer in his attic that he gave to me to keep if I could fix, and then other friends as they got rid of gear, they just handed them to me knowing that I'd get a lot of use out of it.
my computer has had almost every part replaced other than the CPU and PSU and my system can run cyberpunk at medium at least and it looks great. a lot of the games I play, I can play them in 4k60 with no issues and I'm totally fine with that. even my monitor which was a handmedown 4k tv from my mom just happened to have under 5ms latency in game mode which is really quite decent and gives me a lot of room for immersion.
my point is, don't be afraid to ask a friend if they have extra parts around or a spare computer or parts they don't want, you're likely to get a very solid deal out of it.
one of my friends gave me a 3050 and it runs like a dream. the most I've spent on this computer is $200 because the included CPU cooler was broken and the motherboard broke from the constant overheating, because the cooler was improperly applied from the factory, the thermal paste was dry and still had the hexagon pattern from the intel factory.
Every time I think about upgrading I talk myself out of it because my 1080 runs all the games I currently play PERFECTLY fine. Until I start getting some games that slow down my 1080 I think Ill stick with that I have.
I mean I had a 3090, went to a 4080 and Fortnite (the only game I really play) stutters to 4fps sometimes. On the ps5 I never have any stutters because it’s better optimized and still looks as good. I’m thinking of just selling the pc as I can do the productivity tasks on the laptop, so it’s not very useful right now.
I can't say I've even watched a single review about any GPU releases this year
In terms of beginning when they were pricing out what kind of console based setups they could buy instead of the 4080. If they don't buy first party secondary controllers you could get game pass ultimate on Xbox for a year and PlayStation premium for a year and not need to buy games because they'll have access to huge catalogs with those services. Console gaming legitimately has never been more appealing than it is currently
Everyone commenting on the mininal performance upgrade from the 30 series to the 40 series.
And here I am thrilled that i get to upgrade from a 1070 to a 4080 Super
I'm personally waiting for the 50 series release to build a new PC, but if it was very expensive and didn't get a big boost compared with 40, I'd just buy a 40 series once I saw those a bit cheaper.
I use a thinkpad p51 with an nvidia quadro and with tinkering I can still play modern games. The only one I can’t play is Alan wake 2 which is a shame but it goes to show you don’t need new hardware to enjoy games. High settings aren’t necessary.
Have a 3080 and somewhere I’d wanna upgrade it.
I have a 120hz 4k main screen, 1440p second and 1080p third screen. I play a decent bit of not necessarily the newest games but games that are still fairly demanding. I also use the pc for rendering and 3D modeling.
But the 3080 still does all of it alright. I’d benefit from a faster card still but I’m not even really getting that right now. If I upgrade my card I’ll need to pay like 1000 euros for a slight upgrade. Even a 4080 super isn’t gonna be a huge difference.
Main thing for me right now that it would be kinda nice to have a second gpu in the system. Not in sli but by itself since I can use that for rendering and offloading tasks from my main hardware. That way my pc is still usable while I’m rendering stuff. But at current prices it’s not something I can afford to do. (Did do it a while with my old 1070 but sold that to a friend years ago during gpu shortage)
I run a 3060 with extra vram and have a wonderful gaming experience at 1080p. Sometimes I think its all perspective.
I am in the process of upgrading my GPU from 1060. Personally I was gonna settle only for two of these options:
1. wait for Super series and see if Nvidia was gonna surprise us
2. be patient until a good 2nd hand deal comes around for a 4080/70ti after Supers release.
I ended up with a 4080 for 66% of my local 4080 Super MSRP. But to be fair, it does come with some cosmetic damage, and is definitely out of retailer guarantee. It was also a bit risky since I wasn't able to check the card in person. But it games ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
i have a 3080 10 gb. i know that, despite the VRAM panic, it will probably last me still quite a while... but i also have enough cs on the side that i am fighting the temptation of getting a 4090... or wait and get a 5090.. when i dont really need it for now...
PS5 since nov 2020,
Loving every moment with it,
waiting for my alienware AW2725DF to replace my asus Vg27aqL1a
I fantasize about upgrading my 1080p pc to a good 1440p one, but then I add the parts on pc part picker up and look at the cost. As long as I can run everything fine at medium-high with my current rig I don't think I need to spend another $600-700 lol.
I don't game much pcs seem to be losing in general right now. five years ago, I couldn't imagine a mac being the best laptop option
For the past couple of years I had a gaming laptop with a 3050/ i7-1200h. Just got a full tower with a 2070 super, i9-9900k and it runs games so much better than that laptop. Also, upgrading is gonna nice because I only have 16gb of ddr4 ram I wanna upgrade for not that much plus bagging a 4060 for like $300 or even a 5000 series whenever they release (may need a new motherboard by that pint but I’m still super new to having a tower).
Being able to play 1080p dlss quality with tracing on Fortnite has been fun to experience. I could ray trace on the laptop.
The tower was around $1,200 when it was built and I bet it would be cheaper second hand now.
While buying a second hand gpu in north america might be very feasable, I live in the netherlands. The second hand market for individual computer components is just extremely small. It is not really realistic to find a good second hand gpu here.
I came fully out of consoles in 2019 after counting up the costs of participating in consoles Vs PC and finding that it was more expensive to be on console.
Right now PC part prices are insanely high, especially graphics cards. Whereas a Steam Deck is a console where you never have to use the makers' store, it's a damn good proposition.
Saving money by going Linux instead of windows too.
Worth remembering that the consoles have performance more inline with the best of the 20 series and a low end CPU of the same sort of vintage in raw power (or worse if you like Nintendo) - all the consoles are getting more towards the end of their life cycle and haven't come down in price really yet. So that the latest and greatest PC hardware is hugely more expensive, which is usually the case, is no shock. But its also often the case you can build a PC with more potential than the consoles for the same sort of price - what a console gives you is convenience of games that are pre-optimised by the developer for that hardware and the removal of that bloated junk that is Windoze. So more reliably acceptable performance out the box (again unless your are Nintendo - much as I used to like the much more diverse stable of unique games when you can't even get your flagship titles to play reasonably well)...
I got my 6700XT 4 months back, upgraded from 1080p to 1440p monitor (used) and a new 1000w corsair power supply to replace my 650w (overkill i know) but all within 1200$ total and before then i had all hand me downs on everything else including the CPU and Motherbord/Ram/Fans etc. its still expensive but i can run cyberpunk and red dead at 45-90fps with 60 on average and im happy with it. Do i hate that i have to wait for new games like helldivers and elden ring to be patched months in advanced so they work but hey, Ill take that than having to buy a new console every twos years
The last two used GPUs I've bought have both been lemons (2080 and 3070ti), and while I got my money back, I would just have wanted to pay the extra dosh to have a working card. Troubleshooting the 3070ti took literal months to go through all my components painstakingly making sure it was the GPU.
I don't know if buying used is for me tbh.
Biggest thing for buying used pc parts:make sure you have a running pc already that you want to upgrade, or of a friend or such around. If you got any other GPU that works, and the system works fine with that but not with the used GPU, it's usualy not your system. Saves truckloads of trojbleshooting problems.
Baulders gate 3 ran fine for me at 100 fps on a 970 ti ultra settings
Yeah i'm not afraid to put these slides on Medium or even Low to play the game with reasonable performance, gonna run this RTX 3070 of mine for a extra year before deciding the next AMD card i'm gonna buy.
I remember that in January of last year I bought a 3070 for $300, I was happy but 2 or 3 months later, the news that 8GB was not enough for new games and the prices of used 3070s at $200 or less, I managed to resell my 3070 for 270$ and buy a 3090 for 500$ this is my 1080/ti moment for me.
Still running a GTX 970, runs everything I play at 60+ fps mid-settings, indulging in 2000+ series cards is really just a luxury if you want to run high-end games at max settings, it's not necessary at all, unless you're a video editor etc, but then you're generally getting paid to use it.
I feel like a lot of people are not happy unless their GPU is running at less than 20%, which is just a waste, it should be more like 70%+, otherwise you're not even using most of the processing power you bought.
This video is exactly how I've been feeling the last several years. I remember a time, back in the PS3/360 era, when Tek Syndicate had a video for a $500 PC build to *beat consoles*.
Nowadays, you can barely build a 1080p rig for that much, while the Xbox Series X is doing 4K for the same price (I know there's more fine-tuning on PC, but still). It's kind of bittersweet to see PC gaming just explode in popularity thanks to UA-cam, Twitch, and eSports. Like it's definitely a cool thing now amongst the teen gamers. Back in my day, it was just the nerdiest gamers who were on Steam and Starcraft. But the side effects of that are a huge increase in demand, which means an increase in price. It's not just about shortages and crypto bros buying all the GPU's, it's that the companies who make the hardware know they can sell it for more now because it's cool, so they do. Consoles have an advantage in that they're cheap because MS and Sony can take a loss on the hardware because they have their subscriptions just raking in the cash. So PC won't be able to catch up in terms of price to performance.
And now I've come full circle, tired of the industry drama, just wanna sit back on the couch and chill with some Oblivion or Halo. PC's are still fun, but I'm with Luke in the sense that when I look back, gaming is what got me into tech in general, then PC gaming helped me really get into it in an IT sense (watching tons of Tek Syndicate and LTT videos back in the day), but really my best gaming years were on the original Xbox. And the current Xbox has all my all-time favorite games. So why did I just spend $2000 to build a brand new PC over Christmas?
Man I just got a pny 3080 12 gb for 350$ and it works great not 120fps 4K but man for just gamin is a beast these companies now a days are just overpriced for subpar products it’s not worth it in a lot of instances to wait and buy for the latest and greatest bc it’s costing a arm and a leg