6 April 2019, seen this video tape. Im going to be 98 , within a short time. I knew Lucy Ball, on a personal level and business. I began my career with Shirley Booth, "Hazel" , in 1961, over at NBC Burbank Studio's Los Angeles. The show ran '61-66. '65-66 show was recast and moved over to CBS Studio's in Los Angele. Mrs. Booth, for her own reasons chose to end the show in 1966. It was while we was filming there, I was able to meet Lucy. When our show ended it was Lucy, who ask if I would work on her show. I worked for her till 1974. A remarkable woman. I never was out of work till I sold off my company in 1990s. I owe my career to two women who gave me opportunity to work. God bless them both. Thank you Benjamin Hahn Beverly Hills CA
With so much you know and having lived a very long life, it would be also wonderful if you would make youtube videos, talking about it. If you want to, of course. Great comment!
April 22, 2019: Dear Mr. Hahn, My name is Ivory Louise. I am creating a new show that will be released first on local television, then UA-cam to retain my rights so I can sell it as a local show in Nevada or Massachusetts. Anyway, I will be back in California next month to graduate and film some episodes. If you would like to do an interview with me, I would be honored to come see you at your convenience I am interested in three things: obviously anything you have to say about Lucille Ball would be great. As a former Californian, I also care about your career and history because of what you witnessed. Lastly, I want to know what it's like for you to live in LA now, and how it was in the past. If you are interested, please let me know. Ivory Louise
As others have said, I would love to see a video with you talking about our past and sharing your wisdom. I am afraid my generation does not respect our elders or our history as they should. I was raised old school by my parents ( I am 23 and my Dad is 73 and my Mom 69), so I have been taught you respect my elders and to listen to the wisdom and lesson they have to share, and I love hearing storys of our past. My sisters and I agree that we where born at the wrong time and should have lived in the 1950s and 1960s. Our parents share their wisdom and often love to playfully rub in the life that once was, and they got to share a bit of. Please if you ever make a video could you comment on this so I will know and be able to see it? I want to learn and listen before it is to late, before there is no one to teach and share. Before (and I dread the day) my Generation is fully in control, though I see it coming closer every day. Thank you sir, and may God bless and keep you!
He was a bad marriage investment from the start. To many red flags. While not all Latins are womenizers, the culture does reinforce it as typical male behavior. Add the fact that he was a band leader and the odds that he would be faithful in marriage were very slim to start with.
Don't think anyone called her a saint. She refused to do the show if Desi did not get the part. That sounds like loyalty. It was common knowledge that he was having affairs and drank heavily. If you think she was unfaithful where is your proof.
Gazzara5 She insisted he get the part because they had been married ten years and thy wanted to work together. Desi Arnaz was not used nor mistreated by Lucille Ball. She was the comic genius. No one forces anyone not to be unfaithful. That's a justification not a reason.
Tracy Williams Lucille Ball married Desi Arnaz because she loved him. They were together twenty years so there was a destroyed personal relationship.
Particularly interesting to hear that after watching the recent Amazon Prime movie, Being The Ricardos. They made a big deal over that she had houses but no home. She wanted to settle down with her husband but he was never available. I'm pleased to hear now she has a home.
@@hardren101 But Lucie and Desi Jr said she was always working, and not really involved with them as children, like he was. He liked to play with them, and have fun with them. So they are madly in love with him as a result of that. Their memories of her were that she was always working, trying to hustle for the next dollar or gig, like when she first started out. She never got over the feeling of wanting to make it big, even after she WAS the biggest EVER.
When she said he's a "loser", she meant that he's a sabotager. At least that's the way she explained. Basically, he's very smart and successful but deliberately tears down everything he builds, for some reason. Sounds like self sabotage.
Exactly!You were one of the few who understood the CONTEXT of her comment, which she expounded on a few moments later: He couldn't handle the wild SUCCESS he built, and was a self saboteur. She REPEATEDLY said he was BRILLIANT, kind, an innovator, etc... She said she just CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY he had to be so self destructive ( really meaning the many side chicks and drinking which, caused her such hurt and bitterness, which anyone watching the video can STILL see and FEEL!)
@@angelataylor7799 no, more likely it has to do with recreating childhood trauma. He was born into extreme wealth and then it was all taken away. Just read his early childhood wiki. He’s repeating a pattern. She knew it. That’s she meant here
Notice the first words out of his mouth were... It's past, as if to downplay the fact that he is basically just chopped liver in this interview. No one cares about what Lucy and Gaaaarrrryyyy got going on so they have to keep bringing up the "Mexican" from her past
I know, right?! I thought that was weird too. But I'll bet she'd just want him there for support. This is all speculation, only a couple knows what goes on amongst themselves, and this is decades ago. I just find it fascinating and love the wisdon a woman like this exudes naturally. What a badass lady.
By loser she meant self destructive. Do you people not comprehend what she is saying? Did you watch it? She is praising him in every phrase, but saying he is self destructive. Yall hear loser and run with it. She wanted him to be her everything. And he was. As was she to Desi.
stephen dwyer Ok, in your strange rambling about how bad she may have been, as well as Hollywood even at that time, which has nothing to do with the main commenter's point, what was wrong with her marrying a guy of Cuban descent?
I totally get what she means. My father was like Desi. He had everything; money, beautiful wife and children, a gorgeous house in the suburbs, yet he destroyed it. He hated himself and sabotaged everything good in his life. He knew how to make money, was an insurance broker and a successful real estate broker, but his self loathing and alcoholism drove everything into the ground.
Each of us are complex beings that are living embodiments of our upbringing, experiences, and influences in our lives. It is amazing to realize that most of us live our lives as we think we should while our true selves are buried within. Problem is, our true selves fight to emerge and cause conflict and disruption if not reconciled.
@@ricric9521 Wait, so…you think that being a cheater is someone’s “true self” emerging? That the loyal father/husband is just someone following the crowd and “living as they should” but that, if they cheat, it’s their real honest self coming out? I might be reading you wrong. Have mixed thoughts on this topic
When she called Desi a "loser," I had to think about what she meant, since he was so financially, artistically, and professionally successful. I think she meant that it was partly that he failed personally, as a husband and father, but also something else - like he didn't think he deserved it all, so he deliberately sabotaged everything, with his reckless womanizing and drinking. That's pretty sad.
Exactly. She was specifically referring to the self-destructive component to his personality (e.g. his excessive drinking, gambling, etc.). She did not mean it as an insult or a personal affront, but merely a factual statement. She was also extremely generous with praise for all of his hard work, building Desilu from the ground up, and basically inventing (what we now think of as) the modern sitcom format, as she states here. She gives him most of the credit, saying that all she did was show up and "play Lucy". So the "loser" remark was not made out of bitterness, but merely to explain what led to the end of their marriage.
I think what Lucy meant when she called Desi a loser is that to learn the life lessons he needed to learn he had to lose everything he built. Lucy credits Desi for being the brains behind Desilu Productions and that he actually built the company from the ground up, but Hollywood would never give him the credit he deserved. I think Lucy had tremendous respect for Desi. It had to be tremendously awkward discussing her private details about her first marriage to not only the entire nation, but in front of her current husband. But Lucy's style was always candid. She did not shy away from a tough situation. This is what made her so special.
People don't fucking pay attention: she makes it very clear what she means by "loser": she means that there was some innate part of Desi's character that drove him to destroy everything he worked so hard to build up. She really means "self-destructive".
She means being a cheater made him a loser also.. she even sticks up for him being a Cuban and being discriminated against.. she makes it clear she didn’t really know the kinda man she had married. She had it rough for sure.
@@mandamank6846 Yes, it is unfortunate that Desi was a serial cheater, but ironically if he had not been a serial cheater, "I Love Lucy" would have never happened, because Lucy was primarily interested in the series in order to keep him home and save her marriage. Also, Desi was a brilliant businessman and innovator. He helped make "I Love Lucy" a success by hiring Vivian Vance [Ethel] and William Frawley [Fred], by helping to create the three-camera system and by insisting that "I Love Lucy" be filmed on high quality film which is the reason why its seen on rerun. In fact, he is the father of the rerun. She had it rough, you are right, but without Desi, Lucy would be a blurb in history, nothing more than a B actress who never amounted to much and of course, without her, he too would be a blurb in history. They needed each other as they are in order for things to fall into place the way that they did.
Lucy is always blunt. And you can see here that she still loved Desi, and was still hurt. Desi builds up, and he tears down. He had that destructive streak, not uncommon among alcoholics. Desi was a loser to do what he did. He lost a great deal; they all did.
THAT´s the point, someone who desired to be the most powerful woman in Hollywood, not an admirable quality to begin with an as far as being invited to anything with Ronald Reagan that´s not saying much, I did not think much of him and his Star Wars program
Imagine the competition Lucy was up against? Grace Kelly, Marilyn Monroe, Eva and Zsa Zsa Gabor, Audrey Hepburn, Liz Taylor, and on and on. Yea, ya gotta be in Bitch mode to get stuff done with that kind of competition.
Bradley Paul Valentine You can’t judge her for this one interview. Just because he let her down doesn’t mean she didn’t love him. Life is just not that simple.
@@BradleyPaulValentine usually if theyre still that upset that long after its because some part of them still really wants it to work. I know the feeling.
I love Lucy even more. Even when her and Desi's marriage was over, she being the class act that she STILL is, speaks of her ex as the ground breaking business man he was. Total Respect for Lucille Ball.
@olubukonla7352 such a sad story. They loved each other immensely until the very end but he just couldn't put aside his ego to give and receive that love.
Brenda Fuller wasn’t too bad for him here. She gave him full credit to making their house a home unlike with Ricky . Gary also got to hear Lucy call Ricky a loser ! Lol no shadow there
Bobby Brady 3:07 “ he’s not a loser (referring to her current husband) “I married a loser” there is no way you can say she didn’t call Desi that . She said it outright. You go and listen. Lol
@@soph5669 But she ALSO said he built up everything while she was busy acting and raising kids. She did give him credit. He certainly gave HER credit later in life, he said on Carson she did 90% of the work. He knew what he had lost. But you know, whatever he did that kept him unstable, There are many more like that these days and they are a puzzle. There's just no fixing messed up people. My hubby is sweet, nondrinker, non smoker, non carouser, no drugs, fairly healthy, but lazy , or so I thought most of our marriage, can't pick up after himself, but he always told me he was ADD, but never explained what that was. Turns out it has everything to do with his "executive function" and his inability to organize his life. Lucy said Desi had to tear down everything he built up. It seems that is what my hubby has done, but it's from neglect and lack of proactiveness. Maybe Desi had some of that going on.
Of course, a marriage with a drunkard most often can't be saved even when one desperately wants to. One of the most helpless situations one can encounter in life. Any good psychiatrist will tell you - never ever marry an alcoholic out of pity or thinking you can change him/her or for any other reason.
@@julieankhan.2801 I believe you, i understand and know exactly what you mean, but i think many cultures have or have had at some point that same issue. Yet there's always men, real men, that do not fit that stereotype. And drinking and being self-destructive with your life is sort of in a category by itself. I see it as a spiritual flaw related to inner emptiness. It's a person thing, not a man or woman thing.
Steve Bergman obnoxious responses? Hmmmm. She was being honest and it was difficult for her to talk about her past husband with her current one sitting beside her. It was obviously awkward for her and she was expressing annoyance. Good on her.
Not ever had meet Lucy, you can tell how very Devastated she was to lose her marriage and family. She wanted to have a home for her children living with man she loved and they all be together enjoying what they built.
Gary is a grown man who knows the history of Desi and Lucy better than anyone - except Desi and Lucy. He knew what he would have to endure when he married Lucy and I thought that he exhibited that in this interview.
She wasn't over Desi when this was filmed, not by a long shot. The anger ran too deep, and that's a sign of passion that never died - it just got re-channeled.
True. Tyler Perry had Madea say, "if somebody do you wrong, and you get the chance to hurt them, and you take it, you not over it. If you get the chance to beat the hell out of them and you don't take it, then you know you over it." Walters gave Lucy the chance to hurt a still-living Desi, and she took it.
+George Williams Yup. And if Lucy was truly over Desi, that Gary guy would be relaxed. But instead he butted-in (awkwardly) and said that Lucy is over Desi.
Baba Wawa is a loser, or was! We've never heard or seen such an intrusive reporter, prodding and pushing and interrupting her interviewees for an answer. We are SO glad she's not doing it anymore, it got so we'd change channels when she came on, she was so rude.
I was told years ago that an interviewer was once not a person that just sat there to listen to what ever was being said, no. His or her job was rather to guide the conversation to the information requested (and well payed for) by the Network. It is well known that most networks had an agreement with the guest, at times sharing the list of questions BEFOREHAND, to guarantee the guest came prepared to answer and no awkwardness or mumbling was inadvertently shown. (Filming is still expensive. Retakes and editing to achieve flawless work makes it more so. Again, it was frown upon to waste time or film) Now, I think Barbara's prodding could have been the result of Lucy's obvious emotional answers...maybe that wasn't what the Network wanted? During the intro it's said that she doesn't know what to expect. Seems a bit misleading. Lucy was famous for being outspoken and spontaneous. Even if the Network was counting on this, they still only air what they can sell. And maybe Lucy wasn't responding as agreed? When this happens, the interviewer must tactfully regain control of the conversation by picking one of these choices: make the guest give more juicy details (possibly getting an exclusive) or redirect the conversation (by slightly interrupting and trying to change the subject). I agree, Barbara Walters wasn't too subtle. She never was. *Too bad the video was cut short. It would've been better if one could hear the end of what Lucy was saying.
M.J. Leger she had to make ppl feel like it was a real conversation and not fake like the entertainment reporters of today who just fake laugh and ask easy questions to baby celebrities. Barbara was queen
haha. It's sweet that you guys want to think so -- and I'm not being sarcastic saying that. But to me Lucy had very clearly moved on. Probably; same fondness towards him. If she loved Desi in the way that counts in our lives, she would be with him and not married to somebody else. I'm sure her love for Desi was very real at one long, wonderful period. Love doesn't always last.
Bradley Paul Valentine They both have said they were each other’s greatest love. They remained friends and Lucy took care of Desi when he had cancer until he died.
I don't believe for a moment Lucy wanted to part from Desi no matter what. Under all the turmoil, like Burton and Taylor, they loved one another passionately and passion you don't find more than once in a lifetime.... Desi wrote a song for her entitled, "I Love Lucy" and sang it to her on one episode. She was in tears as she stood by him in an embrace....we all could see the love between them like a magnetic force. I don't believe for a moment they were ever that happy the rest of their lives as when the romance was new and the passion was alive.
I thought yo will say she needs love...romance....Prostitutes need sex. As some say this kind of sex is actually damaging......I think maybe after the years its ecven boring...People become robots and drug addicts without feelings and emotions. They will see nive picture or beautiful puppy and it will mean nothing to them......because they get high only with the sex....but for some people it may become boring and meaningless.....And as some say playing games is alkso addictive an damaging, everything else is boring and meaningless for them, they get high only when they play games.
Desi Arnaz was a genius. An immigrant, Desi built a Hollywood empire unrivaled at the time. His production innovations, Desi was the first to use multiple cameras for switching the television audience perspectives during the same scene, are still used today on every television show in the world. DesiLu Productions & Studio's were built by him & him alone. If you've ever enjoyed The Andy Griffith Show, The Dick Van Dyke Show, The Untouchables, Mission Impossible, or the original Star Trek... thank Desi Arnaz.
not all of them, the last one was fully because of Lucy, as Desi had already sold his half of the production company to her, and she was the one who green lit the production for Rodenberry. They had a hard pitch to NBC to begin with as they didn't think Americans would be interested in such a series. Plus, the point she mentions of him being a loser is because he would build up stuff like that, then tear it all down- case in point him wanting out of the marriage, the company, everything. That's what she's talking about he has to lose, he couldn't handle being successful. That's why he wanted out of everything THEY had built up. He wasn't fully alone in all this, without her acting that show never would have taken off, and since they owned the production company with no one to sell the shows to, they'd have lost it all. She made that show, and the company successful. That's why they were a team, quit acting like it's all him, without her he'd have been still a band player with no production company.
@@jackson5116 Yes, they were a team, UNEQUIVOCALLY. Without Lucille Ball, obviously, "I Love Lucy" would not have been possible, but she herself said that "HE DID EVERYTHING." Listen to the interview again. She clearly says: "I did nothing." There's a lot of behind the scenes work that goes into any show and Desi did everything from hiring Fred and Ethel to deciding to film before a life audience. He innovated the three camera setup and filmed on high quality film. Something as simple as using high quality film meant that it could run interminably as reruns. Thanks to Desi, we are able to enjoy "I Love Lucy. Other shows of the time have been lost because the film deteriorated.
She sounds like a woman that was really hurt, regardless of how great she says her 2nd marriage was. You could hear the bitterness in her voice. Barbara Walters didn't make it any better. Nothing's more irritating than an interviewer cutting you off before you can finish answering their question.
She was disappointed in Desi... she knew he was brilliant, but as she said, he had to win hard and lose harder. I've known people like this... can't be happy with a victory.
+ Pfirtzer You complain about being accused of being an anti-Semite and then respond with an incredibly bigoted comment. Not much going on between your ears, is there. Dumb fuck.
Lucy was a comedic genius and the face of the show, but Desi literally built the industry around her. The camera system and taping episodes for reruns were a totally revolutionary idea of his. She would never have been a success without him, and vice versa. That pairing was so historic.
Yes so true ! He never got the recognition he deserved! Many Hollywood men and women cheat on each other today and it’s not a big deal to the public they keep liking their preferred actor . But Desi was trashed on his mistakes for years it sad !
Amazing woman. Even today, I Love Lucy is just so much fun to watch. She still makes me laugh! I've seen every episode more than once and I still laugh.
Desi Arnaz was amazing. He skipped rehearsals because he was so busy running the business but would show up, do a quick run through and give a spot on and impeccable comic performance in a language that was not his own. He went on to be one of the most powerful influences on the explosion of TV programming, studios and wealth. He made Lucy very rich and spoke kindly and lovingly of her till the end of his life.
Listen to her full comment. She's not calling him a bum; what she's saying is Desi was self-destructive: "I married a loser. He could win, win . . . high, high, high stakes. He could work very hard. He was brilliant. But he had to lose. . . . [He was] sweet, generous -- overly generous -- but he had to lose. He had to fail at everything he built up. Everything he built, he had to break down. And he still claims he's the same way." By the way, she and Desi remained the closest of friends until his death, speaking on the phone every week.
Tabby when desi was on his death bed, Lucy called him and told him how much she loved him. Very heartbreaking . Calling desi a loser didn't mean he wasn't successful it meant he wanted to lose even when he was winning. Desi had guilt for being successful when others weren't. There are many actors who have said the same thing.
I love you Lucy. Thank you so much for all the sweet memories. Thank you for being there all those nights I couldn't sleep from stress, anxiety and broken heart - I would turn the TV on just for noise so I wouldn't feel alone and " I love Lucy" came on. Your voice, your beautiful red hair and your innocence ALWAYS calmed me, comforted me, you always stayed with me those long lonely nights. Thank you Lucy, and I love Lucy too.
Gary is really uncomfortable sitting there while Lucy goes on and on about her first husband - Desi was clearly the love of her life and she was still angry that his behavior destroyed their marriage.
That seemed to carry over to where Lucy did not leave her children much. She left it to Gary and Gary left it to his next wife still leaving the children out.
Desilu was probably the most successful company in television history. watch the credits on some of those older shows, you'll see desilu studios or a desilu production on so many ...I think the original Star trek series was desilu.
When she said loser she described someone who self sabotages. He admitted later in life he had a drinking problem for quite some years during their peak of fame. She didn’t say it maliciously it’s true some people can have everything but they have need to sabotage parts of their life.
Not only was Desi the one who gave Lucille Ball her fame, with I Love Lucy, but Lucille Ball was no angel. Lucille Ball frequently cheated on Desi. In fact, the only reason people, in Show Business, knew the children are Desi's is because they looked like him. If they had not, many people would have questioned who their biological father was.
Desi was a genius, he invented re-runs. They recorded on acetates before Desi suggested they record I love Lucy on real film, that's why the I love Lucy re-runs are the oldest and best fidelity of all the oldys'. My 2 cents :-)
A few years back I read that Desi invented the 3 camera shot. Before that they only used one camera one angle at a time. Ricky did the frontal, the side, and the close-up all at once. They flipped between cameras on the fly. Genius!
G.G.Gorrell , the network didn't pay for the film, Lucy and Desi paid for the film and said they owned the episodes then. That is how they got ownership of the series.
I wish I could have said to Lucy "You didn't disappoint us, we were disappointed FOR you." She is still sorely missed, but she's always with us in spirit, and of course in reruns and interviews on youtube such as these. I thank you for this.
@@godoftheox2513 I never understood why people made a big deal out of her. She wasn't a great interviewer. Johnny Carson was really before my time but in reruns I am always impressed by his questions and how he put his guests at ease.
I don't judge celebrities on their real life problems, as long as they entertain me, I don't care what they go through, that's why I'll always love I love Lucy, even though I know how many problems they all had off camera.
@@jilliansmith7123 She was a natural brunette, not blonde. She colored her hair blonde when she started modelling, but her hair was naturally dark. She even pointed out having dark roots on I Love Lucy a few times.
What she means by saying "I married a loser" is not what some people are thinking... she doesn't mean that he was a "bum" but that, deep down, Desi had a subconscious need to "lose" everything that mattered... there was clearly a mental block & a feeling of not being good enough or deserving enough to not only have what he acquired but to keep it... many people have this sort of mental block for, deep down, they don't feel deserving or worthy of being happy. I think this is what she was implying. Had she meant "loser" as in the sense of being a "bum", she wouldn't have defended him in the first part of the interview when she speaks of how he was unfairly attacked. That's my take on it anyway...
She said it, he had a business mind, he was the brain behind their show, he had to struggle when he came with nothing, his family had to leave Cuba, where his father was a politician, now you come here, you have the brains but some people did not think he was smart based on pure racism, Lucy was able to see far ahead and she knew this man could take her places and make money. Their kids never had to work much because their father never sold the rights to their show, the inherited enough to live comfortably, it was his idea to use the third camera for re runs. She sounded bitter, and I think life had been very generous with her.
I agree completely, Edster, in fact she elaborated on that after she said it. The poor quality of the video makes it hard to follow everything, but she did clarify.
@GLORIA SERA MULET Actually he did sell the rights to the show back then... they no longer owned the show by the 60s... CBS does... and there's more to a happy marriage & home life than just being a provider... he drank a lot & had affairs... this meant that he was hardly ever at home with her or the kids... his position as head of Desilu meant many hours away from home but with what little time he did have available for her & the kids, he chose to spend with other women... it's fortunate for both of them that this didn't happen during the AIDS epidemic or their story would've ended very differently... Mind you, I'm sure she had her problems too. Being shuffled around as a child from family to family while poor probably imprinted on her some "worthiness" issues too, so yeah, I'm sure she was a pain in the butt & could be a bitch too, but much of the conflict rests with him too. It took two to tango & clearly they both had their issues (welcome to the human race). It's a wonder they were able to accomplish all that they had. For that alone they deserve to be commended & remembered even after all these years.
@DIANE9247 Thanks Diane... yeah, the video title is misleading & the way she said it is as well, but she was speaking truthfully & matter-of-factly, not bashing him. It's as if she was saying: "I totally respect this man for his accomplishments, and he accomplished a lot in spite of how he was mistreated (which wasn't fair), but he was his own worst enemy... he had to sabotage himself so that in the end he'd lose everything and anything of value to him. He proved himself worthy to everyone but himself. The demon inside of himself just couldn't accept that he deserved what he had worked for so he had to ultimately lose it all".
ITA I think folks are so used to people being "politically correct" when they speak, that they are just jumping on one somewhat harsh phrase, an ignoring the context it was being used in. She was trying to explain BOTH the good & the bad of a man she obviously loved deeply & still respected greatly. To the point of repeatedly explaining all the good he did. She just was being honest and trying to explain the good & the bad. Anyone who can't hear the love & respect for Desi, and is only focusing on a phrase to explain a complicated man, is missing the point IMHO
Yes, but that same thing is what drunks do; they sabotage themselves, they're irresponsible. Irresponsible people, whether they're drinkers, druggies, cheaters or not, whether they're aware of this or not, they sabotage themselves. They ARE losers, that's what the word means. They ruin things, they ruin relationships, and they lose them.
I also think it's a generational difference. When She says "looser" it's not what We now think of as someone being a "looser". It's like how Shell Shock became PTSD. Different times, different terms.
The term has always had the same dictionary definition. The difference is in the modern mindset of the ones using the term. Currently, the social engineers have taught viewers to revile, belittle and demean others = Narcissistic abuse. So people throw around the term, Loser, for anyone they want to revile (means to abuse using language). So the current use is mostly that of belittlement, abuse. Obviously, she wasn't trying to abuse him, she was stating a fact. People can be high achievers and very diligent, and yet emotionally fatalistic and self-sabotaging, emotionally irresponsible with their thoughts and therefore their actions. Lazy and irresponsible are not synonymous. The words are often used together, it's true, but a person can be a high achiever and still be socially, financially, or emotionally irresponsible. Diligent and responsible are two different things. Diligent and wise are two different things. Our dumbed-down lack of nuance in language can leave people thinking that a high achiever cannot be irresponsible, when indeed he can be. High achievers wreck their health and their relationships, even their finances too often. Their emotional root is a sorrowful one. It stems from lack of understanding (wisdom) and a sorrowful fatalistic streak. They see themselves as Losers, less than, inadequate, even though they may have awesome giftings and talents. I also think this attitude can be culturally learned and taught, implanted by the culture. We see this a lot too. It's really not about self-esteem, it's about accurate thinking. We should not have an inflated view of ourselves, we need to discern truth of cause ( be it us, others, or the culture) and correct our thinking, our choices and actions with it.
There is two sides to every story. This is only giving Lucy's side of the story. My grandfather worked for RKO studios before Desi purchased them in the 1950's. He worked on the production crew as a camera operator. But he worked on the Bonanza set. He used to tell many stories of how badly Lucy treated the people on the set. As he put it she was a royal bitch. But he said that Desi was totally opposite. He said once they had a big fight on the set because Desi gave the set crews a Christmas bonus and she wanted to take it back. But Desi refused. So don't believe Lucy was the innocent victim that she used to make herself out to be. Desi was a good friend of my grandfather.
Probably the best reply here and the one most agree was the real situation. Arnaz was her 'man' and she tried hard to keep their marriage together. But, he also wasn't the marrying kind, and should have stayed single. He loved Ball as much, as he could. However, since she refused to play the submissive role and was the kind of wife Arnaz was expecting from his upbringing in Cuba he ended up finding it impossible to behave like she wanted. In Cuba it was accepted that men screwed around, but that they came home at night and took care of their wife and family. Men would visit hookers a lot and blow off steam, then go home and return to that role. Arnaz second wife was a bit more accommodating with him and let him have his play time. Ball wasn't going to play that game. And, Arnaz wasn't going to change either. They both often cite that as a major reason the marriage failed. Arnaz drinking issues only made things worse and eventually pushed Ball over the edge. She rebounded with Morton, and the two had a relationship with her in charge and him the passive 'wife'. A role Arnaz could never have filled.
With or without Desi, Lucy was never happy unless she was working. She couldn't stand idleness, to the point where if she had nothing to do, she'd go clean her grown kids' houses. She remained shaken by her impoverished childhood to the point where, when she had money, she didn't know how to let herself enjoy it. She'd occasionally go betting in Las Vegas, but in amounts much below her financial stature. She'd walk around at the conclusion of Desilu stockholders' meetings gathering the pencils on the tables and return them to a supply closet herself. "Why not? I paid for them." "Too much money confuses things. I was happier when I only owned two coats." The pinch-penny that Jack Benny pretended, Lucy actually was.
+Dave dvlaries My ex-wife, who is chinese, is like that. It must be something about growing up in poverty. My ex-wife was a slave driver, and almost drove me to drinking. Hording money is all they think about. Make money; and put it in the bank. As you said, people like that are incapable of having fun. Lucy looks like that kind of person. She seems disrespectful to her current husband, as well. That guy looks like a whimpering coward, which is just the kind of man she wants.
+Bob Simmons According to family friends who knew her, the Depression really affected Lucy and she was really cheap and worrying about money even when she was a success.
Flirri Yep, sounds like my ex-wife. When a person thinks that way, it just takes the fun out of life. There's nothing to live for. My ex-wife is a workaholic; and she thinks work is the only reason for existence. Not surprising, the people at her work love her. They don't love her for her personality, which is nonexistent. The only thing they ever say about her is what a good worker she is. Chinese are the perfect slaves I tell you. They only work; and have no desire to talk to people around them, because they have nothing to say. I have heard that the chinese were cloned, in order to create the perfect human slave; and that really would not surprise me at all.
_1977_ : Barbara Walters is an obnoxious, arrogant, and monotonous interviewer. _2019_ : Barbara Walters is an obnoxious, arrogant, and monotonous interviewer.
She got a real early start going to Iran when the Shah put on his "coronation festival" in the early seventies. She could barely be out of her teenage years. You don't get a plum role like that without having either connections, relatives, or you're a member of the "correct" synagogue.
@Lisa Godin my mentors in Hollywood were ALL members of the "correct" Synagogue. Reality bites. And that's not changing, either, "me-too" or anything else.
as soon as something interesting came up, she went straight to some other inane question leading to nothing interesting or plain repetition, and missed the chance for elaboration on the interesting thing! Oh ! So frustrating !
She knows talent when she sees it, and gave credit where it was due, but honest on WHO Desi really was!!!!!! Very upfront and outspoken about what REALLY went on in her life.
Your right about her description. I think she always cared for him. He made poor choices and she had to change her relationship with him. Nevertheless she respect what they accomplished together
Nobody ever mentioned the racism Desi faced. He was the only actor on the show that was never given a nomination or award. He was as talented as the other actors on the show. Yes he failed as a husband n father but he was a very talented actor that was never recognized by Hollywood because he was Hispanic.
April @ I don't think that Desi wasn't given a nomination because of "racism," it's just that the straight guy in any comedy is usually overlooked. Desi was in the same situation that Sonny and Cher was in years later. We now know that Sonny was the brains behind Sonny and Cher. He wrote many of their hits, created the comedy routine and was the businessman. Cher let him do everything and followed his lead. Like Desi, Sonny was, also, overlooked and underappreciated. And while Desi was a brilliant businessman, the brains behind "I Love Lucy" and a real go-getter, he wasn't the most talented actor around. In terms of pure talent, Lucy, Vivian Vance, and William Frawley were more talented, thus the nomination or award.
Why do you automatically equate that to racism? I don’t get it. Just run right to that right off the bat. Out of all the actors on the show he was the weakest.
@@ebok98 because when someone won't buy your show or even give you a chance because they won't air a show with a Cuban husband, that's called racism. when you have to finance your own dream because of all the closed doors based on Desi's ethnicity, and have that said to your face, that is racism. the definition of racism, in fact. lucky in this case, racism worked out well for Desilu.
@None ya Business that bullshit about minorities doing it to white people is self serving justification. He wound up a multimillionaire because racism caused him to be an entrepeneur supported fully by his intelligent wife. not white people you racist idiot.
Everyone has problems ,but I still love Desi and Lucy. You both brought laughter to America's television sets and it is still one of the most beloved shows of today .May You both rest in peace.
I believe they loved each other very much. he dealt with a lot of bigotry, a rough life as an immigrant. his family lost everything when Castro took over Cuba. Hollywood gave nods & credit to Lucy but not to him . he was a genius. very talented. but he seemed to be very insecure. no, she never really got over him.
Oh my gosh...she CLEARLY was ! Her second husband Gary Morton must have had the patience of a saint since she was a very dominating & opinionated woman...though of course a comedic genius ! Since they stayed wed till her death, he clearly gave her things she needed. But it was obvious from all her actions and words later in her life, she never fell out of love with Desi. She just couldn't live with him any more....
What a saint Gary was; can you imagine?! Clearly he was second choice. Clearly she never really got over Desi, and became quite bitter, as we get a glimpse of here. It’s also well known that she was a serious person who’s not the charming, funny lady when acting & reading someone else’s lines. But she found what she needed in Gary and I’m happy for them to have been there for one another. I can only wish to find someone like that!
OMG I've been binge watching Lucy interviews because I just ended watch Being The Ricardos (LOVED IT!) and I almost instantly knew she was a Leo she is so commanding and talks over people and is of course funny and entertaining, I knew it because im a Leo lol
I also just watched Being the Ricardos and have been watching on youtube a ton of Lucy interviews! She was one of a kind and such a wonderful funny classy lady!
@@miamijock2595 notice that after their divorce in 1960 Desi Arnaz really does nothing. a few one-offs here and there but he does nothing- his career was over.
You won't find them on your DVD's anymore. If you search through the episodes where you heard him say it, it's now gone & no trace of it is left behind.
She really went out on a limb for him. She risked her career and reputation by marrying him as "interracial" marriages were still quite taboo then. I can see why she would be bitter and probably felt quite betrayed for him not living up to her expectations or letting her help him.
I never "KNEW" Lucy, but was closely around her on various occasions, and I never failed to find her a very serious, almost unhappy acting lady. Gary Morton, her husband here, seemed delightful each time I was around him! Always smiling and indeed 'holding things UP!' This interveiw seems like the lady I was usually around more than any LUCY I've ever seen before. Perhaps the loss of Desi was something she simply COULDN'T get over. I do think Desi was the love of her life. But, bless Gary for being there for her and picking up all the pieces for so many years. He was so kind and so loyal, was someone who seemed to sincerely LOVE Lucy!
Cheryl M I think you'd find that most "comedic geniuses" are actually very serious when they are not performing. Comedy is very closely tied to drama. Bea Arthur used to say that the best comedy is absolutely serious. In the Threepenny Opera, she sang the line, "I used to believe in the days I was pure," and the audience laughed hysterically. Also, you might notice that comedians transition very believably into serious roles.
Ya alot of comedians are like that. My dad used to hang out and drink with randy Quaid and he had like zero personality in real life like he did in movies.
From what my fiancée's father told her (he worked for Desilu) Lucy wasn't such a prize herself and she enjoyed verbally castrating any man who crossed her, Desi Arnaz's contributions to "I Love Lucy" are seriously underappreciated and Gary Morton was a wuss.
I see what she meant. Desi was self-destructive. Not a 'loser' in the typical sense but in the broken person sense that there are some people who aren't happy until they ruin themselves.
She still loved Desi, even if she was clear-eyed about their difficulties. They grew closer the last decade of his life. Cameras caught her outside the hospital near the time of his death and I remember her tears.
Lucy and Desi reportedly loved eachother deeply until they both passed and it was the conga drum he was known for, not bongo drums... #justsayin Lucy 😂
Lucille Ball...Now THERE'S a lady who represents how women can be funny, smart, strong and beautiful. THERE'S a gal to look up to. Not that Schumer girl. She's not anyone to look up to.
Women will always lose when they cannot succeed or fail on their own merits without the burden of representing their entire sex. If you think Schumer sucks, then OK she sucks. But don't diminish her womanhood or all of womankind in comparison merely because you don't like her comedy. So stop it. Picture you saying this about black people. "OH, I really like that Derek. He's a good example of black people how they can be smart, well spoken and earning a living. THERE'S a black to look up do. Not that Tony black." See how it's YOU who are the problem now?
VideoMenu LOL You mansplaining at me, a woman of color? How dare you. Nice pic of Narcissus though. The irony isn't lost. I have the opinion that Schumer is a no talent hack. And that Lucile Ball, Fanny Brice, Gilda Radner, and Carol Burnett are BETTER. LOL GET OVER IT.
@@joegallehgos1301 She was 7 yrs older than Desi so not sure about her youth, she should have known better having been around, she knew what she was getting into, we all do just won't admit it most of the time...
@@mogarcia9755 What does age have to do with it? Lucy was a BEAUTY QUEEN while married to Desi. She loved him very much! The marriage failed because Desi was an alcoholic who also cheated on her many times!
As a child in 1951, I watched "I Love Lucy" from the second show, ( I missed the first) & loved it! In those days, they didn't have re-runs so if you missed an episode, you missed it! That is why 'Lucy' was almost an obsession to see each week!In 1960, after Lucy & Desi divorced, I don't believe that she was on the air, because my mother & aunt went to see her in a Broadway play called "Wildcat"! After her brief hiatus from T.V. , she then resumed with "The Lucy Show" in 1961, so I believe Barbara Walters is wrong about her being on 23 consecutive years! She was a beloved but very human figure & Desi was an underrated actor. Just look at his acting skills in the 1943 war film "Bataan" to see what I mean!
yes that is what i understood..the guy had to distroy what he had built,,,that made him a loser..he had to cheat on her..dont understand that at all..he had little moral values
@anoop prashar, people who self-sabotage do it mainly because of a lack of self-esteem. They believe they're not worthy of what they have -- success and relationships -- so they sabotage them. When they ultimately fail, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Exactly! You said it perfectly ElenaRose725! I had a marriage just like that too but I think also it was because we were too young at the time. Still .... I miss him so very much and will always love him til the day I die. I know Lucille has that same kind of love in her heart for Desi but she's right he was a loser for sure based on everything she said in this interview about him ... sad actually very sad!! She seemed to be such a wonderful person. Desi had a great thing with her but didn't see it because again out of his own self-destructiveness.
Barbara Eden, before she starred in I Dream of Jeanne, made guest appearances on the I Love Lucy show. She described in an interview how Desi Arnez would be overly friendly and hitting on her which made her very uncomfortable. When she would be walking through Desilu studios and see him coming she would duck in a room and hide until he passed by, then come out and go the other way to avoid him.
Desi, Sr. was a "loser" because he lost out to his demons--dual addictions to sex and alcohol. He did attempt to overcome these, with his son's help, at the end of his life but way too late to have attempted a reunification with Lucy. However, they remained friends til the end and were loving grandparents.
Desi was the DRIVING force behind HER success.. He wrote EVERYTHING. Got her into the movies.. directed and produced everything they did together. And he LITERALLY changed how shows are done. He came up with the multi camera/multi angle, for one shot, concept. Every show on the planet does that now...
Joshua thehand *Yeah and look how he was paid back. There may have been cheating however, I can tell by this video that she’s not easy to live with. There’s definitely a bitter, hateful person inside her*
She was already a successful working actress when they met, but he could be credited for much of the success of their show from a business and technical standpoint, but he and everyone admits that the show would be nothing without her. She was the star and it wasn’t evenclose. They may have had a failed marriage but their partnership? Their pairing? One of the best ever.. a power couple if there ever was one
@@stevencramsie9172 You may want to hear what her children have to say. Once you hear how their parents actually were, you’ll see what I’m talking about
Yes… I'm sure Desi was a womanizer… and hurt the marriage in certain ways. But...both of them truly did love each other and decided to keep friendship between the two of them...until they both died. They both also said I love you to each other, even though they were married to other spouses and cared deeply for those other spouses. So for those two things I give them both much respect.
Lucille Ball was a movie star when they met so she had more money than him at that time. i feel the same that he didn't cultivate the personal side to their relationship and was too consumed with his vices.
This was such a hard interview to watch and I am sure give! But I will always love “Lucy and Desi”. I only wished things would have been happier for them and also their two beautiful children who were their greatest triumph and legacy! ♥️
6 April 2019, seen this video tape. Im going to be 98 , within a short time. I knew Lucy Ball, on a personal level and business.
I began my career with Shirley Booth, "Hazel" , in 1961, over at NBC Burbank Studio's Los Angeles. The show ran '61-66. '65-66 show was recast and moved over to CBS Studio's in Los Angele.
Mrs. Booth, for her own reasons chose to end the show in 1966. It was while we was filming there, I was able to meet Lucy.
When our show ended it was Lucy, who ask if I would work on her show. I worked for her till 1974. A remarkable woman. I never was out of work till I sold off my company in 1990s. I owe my career to two women who gave me opportunity to work. God bless them both.
Thank you
Benjamin Hahn
Beverly Hills CA
With so much you know and having lived a very long life, it would be also wonderful if you would make youtube videos, talking about it. If you want to, of course. Great comment!
@@dunyazade Yeah. You should. It would be great.
April 22, 2019: Dear Mr. Hahn, My name is Ivory Louise. I am creating a new show that will be released first on local television, then UA-cam to retain my rights so I can sell it as a local show in Nevada or Massachusetts.
Anyway, I will be back in California next month to graduate and film some episodes. If you would like to do an interview with me, I would be honored to come see you at your convenience I am interested in three things: obviously anything you have to say about Lucille Ball would be great. As a former Californian, I also care about your career and history because of what you witnessed. Lastly, I want to know what it's like for you to live in LA now, and how it was in the past.
If you are interested, please let me know.
Ivory Louise
Mr. Hahn COMMENTATOR Thank you Mr. Hahn for sharing this with all of us. It is rare to be able to read comments such as yours these days. 💜
As others have said, I would love to see a video with you talking about our past and sharing your wisdom. I am afraid my generation does not respect our elders or our history as they should. I was raised old school by my parents ( I am 23 and my Dad is 73 and my Mom 69), so I have been taught you respect my elders and to listen to the wisdom and lesson they have to share, and I love hearing storys of our past. My sisters and I agree that we where born at the wrong time and should have lived in the 1950s and 1960s. Our parents share their wisdom and often love to playfully rub in the life that once was, and they got to share a bit of. Please if you ever make a video could you comment on this so I will know and be able to see it? I want to learn and listen before it is to late, before there is no one to teach and share. Before (and I dread the day) my Generation is fully in control, though I see it coming closer every day. Thank you sir, and may God bless and keep you!
I like that Lucy gave Desi the credit that he deserved for being a brilliant business man. All marriages weren't meant to last. RIP to Lucy and Desi.
All marriages ARE meant to last but all relationships aren't meant for marriage.
True and quite a profound statement there my friend!
He was a bad marriage investment from the start. To many red flags. While not all Latins are womenizers, the culture does reinforce it as typical male behavior. Add the fact that he was a band leader and the odds that he would be faithful in marriage were very slim to start with.
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Miss Bivens is beautiful. ....what is the subject topic?
Understand what she is saying. Desi Arnaz was a very smart man in business but self destructive in his private life.
Don't think anyone called her a saint. She refused to do the show if Desi did not get the part. That sounds like loyalty. It was common knowledge that he was having affairs and drank heavily. If you think she was unfaithful where is your proof.
Gazzara5 She insisted he get the part because they had been married ten years and thy wanted to work together. Desi Arnaz was not used nor mistreated by Lucille Ball. She was the comic genius. No one forces anyone not to be unfaithful. That's a justification not a reason.
B Davis He was self-destructive professionally. Personally they had nothing to destroy.
Tracy Williams Lucille Ball married Desi Arnaz because she loved him. They were together twenty years so there was a destroyed personal relationship.
Gazzara5 Are you part of the family? You're all talk no facts.
“We had many houses but not a home” so sad coming from a person who had everything...
An odd statement considering there were so mny home movies that Desi was present in.
Well you know it had to be heartbreaking.
She worked her butt off for that everything as well…
Particularly interesting to hear that after watching the recent Amazon Prime movie, Being The Ricardos. They made a big deal over that she had houses but no home. She wanted to settle down with her husband but he was never available. I'm pleased to hear now she has a home.
@@hardren101 But Lucie and Desi Jr said she was always working, and not really involved with them as children, like he was. He liked to play with them, and have fun with them. So they are madly in love with him as a result of that. Their memories of her were that she was always working, trying to hustle for the next dollar or gig, like when she first started out. She never got over the feeling of wanting to make it big, even after she WAS the biggest EVER.
When she said he's a "loser", she meant that he's a sabotager. At least that's the way she explained. Basically, he's very smart and successful but deliberately tears down everything he builds, for some reason. Sounds like self sabotage.
Exactly!You were one of the few who understood the CONTEXT of her comment, which she expounded on a few moments later: He couldn't handle the wild SUCCESS he built, and was a self saboteur. She REPEATEDLY said he was BRILLIANT, kind, an innovator, etc... She said she just CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY he had to be so self destructive ( really meaning the many side chicks and drinking which, caused her such hurt and bitterness, which anyone watching the video can STILL see and FEEL!)
They said Lucy was devastated when Desi died and after that. She never got over it.
yep, sounds like a narc, like my narc ex.
@@angelataylor7799 no, more likely it has to do with recreating childhood trauma. He was born into extreme wealth and then it was all taken away. Just read his early childhood wiki. He’s repeating a pattern. She knew it. That’s she meant here
He’s a winner who sabotages himself. Loser is a poor choice of words.
I would never ask someone about their first marriage while the second spouse is sitting right next to them.
Meg Schroeder that's what makes you a decent human being with no chance of becoming a reality television star.
That makes you a winner in my book!
Notice the first words out of his mouth were... It's past, as if to downplay the fact that he is basically just chopped liver in this interview. No one cares about what Lucy and Gaaaarrrryyyy got going on so they have to keep bringing up the "Mexican" from her past
I know, right?! I thought that was weird too. But I'll bet she'd just want him there for support. This is all speculation, only a couple knows what goes on amongst themselves, and this is decades ago. I just find it fascinating and love the wisdon a woman like this exudes naturally. What a badass lady.
Dashoost desi was Cuban not mexican.
He seemed to want control
By loser she meant self destructive. Do you people not comprehend what she is saying? Did you watch it? She is praising him in every phrase, but saying he is self destructive. Yall hear loser and run with it. She wanted him to be her everything. And he was. As was she to Desi.
ahh I want to vote up your comment to infinity. EVERYONE is misunderstanding this and seem to only be commenting on the title.
Ashley Wiseman-Clevenger exactly
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stephen dwyer Ok, in your strange rambling about how bad she may have been, as well as Hollywood even at that time, which has nothing to do with the main commenter's point, what was wrong with her marrying a guy of Cuban descent?
Stephen dwyer-please seek professional help.
I totally get what she means. My father was like Desi. He had everything; money, beautiful wife and children, a gorgeous house in the suburbs, yet he destroyed it. He hated himself and sabotaged everything good in his life. He knew how to make money, was an insurance broker and a successful real estate broker, but his self loathing and alcoholism drove everything into the ground.
Each of us are complex beings that are living embodiments of our upbringing, experiences, and influences in our lives. It is amazing to realize that most of us live our lives as we think we should while our true selves are buried within. Problem is, our true selves fight to emerge and cause conflict and disruption if not reconciled.
Mental health is real. And at anytime we can lose ourselves. Its sad and selfish all at the same time. 😌
@@ricric9521 Wait, so…you think that being a cheater is someone’s “true self” emerging? That the loyal father/husband is just someone following the crowd and “living as they should” but that, if they cheat, it’s their real honest self coming out? I might be reading you wrong. Have mixed thoughts on this topic
my dad was a doctor, same shit different story.
OMG! men sleeping with others women!!?? How bizarre and out of this world! They must be psychopaths😵🙄
When she called Desi a "loser," I had to think about what she meant, since he was so financially, artistically, and professionally successful. I think she meant that it was partly that he failed personally, as a husband and father, but also something else - like he didn't think he deserved it all, so he deliberately sabotaged everything, with his reckless womanizing and drinking. That's pretty sad.
Exactly. She was specifically referring to the self-destructive component to his personality (e.g. his excessive drinking, gambling, etc.). She did not mean it as an insult or a personal affront, but merely a factual statement. She was also extremely generous with praise for all of his hard work, building Desilu from the ground up, and basically inventing (what we now think of as) the modern sitcom format, as she states here. She gives him most of the credit, saying that all she did was show up and "play Lucy". So the "loser" remark was not made out of bitterness, but merely to explain what led to the end of their marriage.
I think what Lucy meant when she called Desi a loser is that to learn the life lessons he needed to learn he had to lose everything he built. Lucy credits Desi for being the brains behind Desilu Productions and that he actually built the company from the ground up, but Hollywood would never give him the credit he deserved. I think Lucy had tremendous respect for Desi. It had to be tremendously awkward discussing her private details about her first marriage to not only the entire nation, but in front of her current husband. But Lucy's style was always candid. She did not shy away from a tough situation. This is what made her so special.
I agree
Very perceptive observation. You sound like you know firsthand what that's about.
DivineSimpl0
People don't fucking pay attention: she makes it very clear what she means by "loser": she means that there was some innate part of Desi's character that drove him to destroy everything he worked so hard to build up. She really means "self-destructive".
YES!! THANK YOU!!
Yes, she meant self destructive
She means being a cheater made him a loser also.. she even sticks up for him being a Cuban and being discriminated against.. she makes it clear she didn’t really know the kinda man she had married. She had it rough for sure.
@@mandamank6846 she was no saint.
@@mandamank6846 Yes, it is unfortunate that Desi was a serial cheater, but ironically if he had not been a serial cheater, "I Love Lucy" would have never happened, because Lucy was primarily interested in the series in order to keep him home and save her marriage. Also, Desi was a brilliant businessman and innovator. He helped make "I Love Lucy" a success by hiring Vivian Vance [Ethel] and William Frawley [Fred], by helping to create the three-camera system and by insisting that "I Love Lucy" be filmed on high quality film which is the reason why its seen on rerun. In fact, he is the father of the rerun. She had it rough, you are right, but without Desi, Lucy would be a blurb in history, nothing more than a B actress who never amounted to much and of course, without her, he too would be a blurb in history. They needed each other as they are in order for things to fall into place the way that they did.
Lucy is always blunt. And you can see here that she still loved Desi, and was still hurt. Desi builds up, and he tears down. He had that destructive streak, not uncommon among alcoholics. Desi was a loser to do what he did. He lost a great deal; they all did.
THAT´s the point, someone who desired to be the most powerful woman in Hollywood, not an admirable quality to begin with an as far as being invited to anything with Ronald Reagan that´s not saying much, I did not think much of him and his Star Wars program
Gary Williams Well, Lucy and Ronnie liked each other very much, and I don't think they'd care whether that would impress you or not.
I have seen pple change due to stress & responsibility in the work place. She was Mega in her time. Both of them became a brand.
Imagine the competition Lucy was up against? Grace Kelly, Marilyn Monroe, Eva and Zsa Zsa Gabor, Audrey Hepburn, Liz Taylor, and on and on. Yea, ya gotta be in Bitch mode to get stuff done with that kind of competition.
Ciaran Ryan
She never got over Desi, that's obvious.
I don't blame her, what a hunk.
How is it obvious?? haha. Lucy struck me as awfully disappointed and let down by Desi.
Bradley Paul Valentine You can’t judge her for this one interview. Just because he let her down doesn’t mean she didn’t love him. Life is just not that simple.
@@BradleyPaulValentine usually if theyre still that upset that long after its because some part of them still really wants it to work. I know the feeling.
@@Heh3469" you can't judge her for this one interview"? then don't do it
I love Lucy even more. Even when her and Desi's marriage was over, she being the class act that she STILL is, speaks of her ex as the ground breaking business man he was. Total Respect for Lucille Ball.
It's clear that she loves Desi immensely. She never got over it.
And he made it clear in interviews and all public statements that he never got over her.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. You can tell that she was still hurt but moving on, in this video.
This shitty comment just could be made by a neanderthal men.
@@ricr8987 😂😂
@olubukonla7352 such a sad story. They loved each other immensely until the very end but he just couldn't put aside his ego to give and receive that love.
I’m glad Lucille found a true partner in Gary. He gave her love, comfort and peace of mind.
you have to give her husband Gary a lot of credit. he knew he was stepping into someone else's shadow.
Brenda Fuller wasn’t too bad for him here. She gave him full credit to making their house a home unlike with Ricky . Gary also got to hear Lucy call Ricky a loser ! Lol no shadow there
Bobby Brady 3:07 “ he’s not a loser (referring to her current husband) “I married a loser” there is no way you can say she didn’t call Desi that . She said it outright. You go and listen. Lol
Bobby Brady she can say the nicest things after calling him a LOSER. Doesn’t change it.
Same for Edie, Desi's 2nd Mrs
@@soph5669 But she ALSO said he built up everything while she was busy acting and raising kids. She did give him credit. He certainly gave HER credit later in life, he said on Carson she did 90% of the work. He knew what he had lost. But you know, whatever he did that kept him unstable, There are many more like that these days and they are a puzzle. There's just no fixing messed up people. My hubby is sweet, nondrinker, non smoker, non carouser, no drugs, fairly healthy, but lazy , or so I thought most of our marriage, can't pick up after himself, but he always told me he was ADD, but never explained what that was. Turns out it has everything to do with his "executive function" and his inability to organize his life. Lucy said Desi had to tear down everything he built up. It seems that is what my hubby has done, but it's from neglect and lack of proactiveness. Maybe Desi had some of that going on.
If Desi was cheating and drinking, it's understandable that she had some bitterness.
He also pissed away close to $50'000 one evening gambling to boot!
@Monica Palmer That's a pretty bigoted thing to say. It has to do with personality, not being latino or anyone else
Of course, a marriage with a drunkard most often can't be saved even when one desperately wants to. One of the most helpless situations one can encounter in life. Any good psychiatrist will tell you - never ever marry an alcoholic out of pity or thinking you can change him/her or for any other reason.
@@comment6864 look it up its a thing. A real thing.
@@julieankhan.2801 I believe you, i understand and know exactly what you mean, but i think many cultures have or have had at some point that same issue. Yet there's always men, real men, that do not fit that stereotype. And drinking and being self-destructive with your life is sort of in a category by itself. I see it as a spiritual flaw related to inner emptiness. It's a person thing, not a man or woman thing.
Walters was an obnoxious interviewer. She talked over people, interrupted constantly and asked rude, intrusive questions.
Agreed
Steve Bergman obnoxious responses? Hmmmm. She was being honest and it was difficult for her to talk about her past husband with her current one sitting beside her. It was obviously awkward for her and she was expressing annoyance. Good on her.
Bah Bah was always an annoying Jewess.
11 to 89 died at 78
arnaz 17 to 86 died at 69
Not ever had meet Lucy, you can tell how very
Devastated she was to lose her marriage and family. She wanted to have a home for her children living with man she loved and they all be together enjoying what they built.
She had chemistry with Desi and stability/nurturing with Gary
Gary is a grown man who knows the history of Desi and Lucy better than anyone - except Desi and Lucy. He knew what he would have to endure when he married Lucy and I thought that he exhibited that in this interview.
Gary was Jewish. They are good husbands to their wives.
I think Gary made Lucy feel cherished.
I wish in this world it was common to have all
She wasn't over Desi when this was filmed, not by a long shot. The anger ran too deep, and that's a sign of passion that never died - it just got re-channeled.
James You are correct.
James yea that's true. She loved him.....
I love how this Gary guy butts-in and says "Oh, I think that's passed".
True. Tyler Perry had Madea say, "if somebody do you wrong, and you get the chance to hurt them, and you take it, you not over it. If you get the chance to beat the hell out of them and you don't take it, then you know you over it."
Walters gave Lucy the chance to hurt a still-living Desi, and she took it.
+George Williams Yup. And if Lucy was truly over Desi, that Gary guy would be relaxed. But instead he butted-in (awkwardly) and said that Lucy is over Desi.
Walters was horrible, talking over Lucy
Baba Wawa is a loser, or was! We've never heard or seen such an intrusive reporter, prodding and pushing and interrupting her interviewees for an answer. We are SO glad she's not doing it anymore, it got so we'd change channels when she came on, she was so rude.
Hay 😊
ⅰи∂ㄩㄅ360 Wow, you have issues. Every comment you make is derogatory and demeaning.
I was told years ago that an interviewer was once not a person that just sat there to listen to what ever was being said, no. His or her job was rather to guide the conversation to the information requested (and well payed for) by the Network.
It is well known that most networks had an agreement with the guest, at times sharing the list of questions BEFOREHAND, to guarantee the guest came prepared to answer and no awkwardness or mumbling was inadvertently shown. (Filming is still expensive. Retakes and editing to achieve flawless work makes it more so. Again, it was frown upon to waste time or film) Now, I think Barbara's prodding could have been the result of Lucy's obvious emotional answers...maybe that wasn't what the Network wanted? During the intro it's said that she doesn't know what to expect. Seems a bit misleading. Lucy was famous for being outspoken and spontaneous. Even if the Network was counting on this, they still only air what they can sell. And maybe Lucy wasn't responding as agreed?
When this happens, the interviewer must tactfully regain control of the conversation by picking one of these choices: make the guest give more juicy details (possibly getting an exclusive) or redirect the conversation (by slightly interrupting and trying to change the subject).
I agree, Barbara Walters wasn't too subtle. She never was.
*Too bad the video was cut short. It would've been better if one could hear the end of what Lucy was saying.
M.J. Leger she had to make ppl feel like it was a real conversation and not fake like the entertainment reporters of today who just fake laugh and ask easy questions to baby celebrities. Barbara was queen
I think she went to the grave in love with Desi. He was her one true love.
That is so very clear by her behavoir after their divorce ! Thanx for your comment !! :-)
haha. It's sweet that you guys want to think so -- and I'm not being sarcastic saying that. But to me Lucy had very clearly moved on. Probably; same fondness towards him. If she loved Desi in the way that counts in our lives, she would be with him and not married to somebody else.
I'm sure her love for Desi was very real at one long, wonderful period. Love doesn't always last.
Bradley Paul Valentine They both have said they were each other’s greatest love. They remained friends and Lucy took care of Desi when he had cancer until he died.
The devastation of cheating left her bitter. She could be brutal eg, Michelle Lee.
Bradley Paul Valentine wrong true love is forever
The older I get, the more I love and respect Lucy ; to be capable of making people laugh out loud is an incredible gift.
In this interview she's still feeling the pain from the divorce. You can tell.
I don't believe for a moment Lucy wanted to part from Desi no matter what. Under all the turmoil, like Burton and Taylor, they loved one another passionately and passion you don't find more than once in a lifetime.... Desi wrote a song for her entitled, "I Love Lucy" and sang it to her on one episode. She was in tears as she stood by him in an embrace....we all could see the love between them like a magnetic force. I don't believe for a moment they were ever that happy the rest of their lives as when the romance was new and the passion was alive.
Yup...
I thought yo will say she needs love...romance....Prostitutes need sex. As some say this kind of sex is actually damaging......I think maybe after the years its ecven boring...People become robots and drug addicts without feelings and emotions. They will see nive picture or beautiful puppy and it will mean nothing to them......because they get high only with the sex....but for some people it may become boring and meaningless.....And as some say playing games is alkso addictive an damaging, everything else is boring and meaningless for them, they get high only when they play games.
@@alaalfa8839 STFU trying to act like you don't know WTF she talking about.
And her voice is damaged from Chain smoking Chesterfields.
Desi Arnaz was a genius. An immigrant, Desi built a Hollywood empire unrivaled at the time. His production innovations, Desi was the first to use multiple cameras for switching the television audience perspectives during the same scene, are still used today on every television show in the world. DesiLu Productions & Studio's were built by him & him alone. If you've ever enjoyed The Andy Griffith Show, The Dick Van Dyke Show, The Untouchables, Mission Impossible, or the original Star Trek... thank Desi Arnaz.
not all of them, the last one was fully because of Lucy, as Desi had already sold his half of the production company to her, and she was the one who green lit the production for Rodenberry. They had a hard pitch to NBC to begin with as they didn't think Americans would be interested in such a series. Plus, the point she mentions of him being a loser is because he would build up stuff like that, then tear it all down- case in point him wanting out of the marriage, the company, everything. That's what she's talking about he has to lose, he couldn't handle being successful. That's why he wanted out of everything THEY had built up. He wasn't fully alone in all this, without her acting that show never would have taken off, and since they owned the production company with no one to sell the shows to, they'd have lost it all. She made that show, and the company successful. That's why they were a team, quit acting like it's all him, without her he'd have been still a band player with no production company.
From what I get he was a womanizer.
P J 1 As Lucy once said, he used to drink and was unable to cope with success.
@@jackson5116 Yes, they were a team, UNEQUIVOCALLY. Without Lucille Ball, obviously, "I Love Lucy" would not have been possible, but she herself said that "HE DID EVERYTHING." Listen to the interview again. She clearly says: "I did nothing."
There's a lot of behind the scenes work that goes into any show and Desi did everything from hiring Fred and Ethel to deciding to film before a life audience. He innovated the three camera setup and filmed on high quality film. Something as simple as using high quality film meant that it could run interminably as reruns. Thanks to Desi, we are able to enjoy "I Love Lucy. Other shows of the time have been lost because the film deteriorated.
DEFINITELY PUT SOME RESPECT ON DESI ARNEZ NAME FOR SURE...
She sounds like a woman that was really hurt, regardless of how great she says her 2nd marriage was. You could hear the bitterness in her voice. Barbara Walters didn't make it any better. Nothing's more irritating than an interviewer cutting you off before you can finish answering their question.
At least she doesn't dehumanize people but then you anti-Semites excel at that.
Tamara Are you actually ignorant enough to believe the linguistic con that Ashkenazi Jews are semites?
She was disappointed in Desi... she knew he was brilliant, but as she said, he had to win hard and lose harder. I've known people like this... can't be happy with a victory.
+ Pfirtzer You complain about being accused of being an anti-Semite and then respond with an incredibly bigoted comment. Not much going on between your ears, is there. Dumb fuck.
thejazzman210 I'm not a fan of Barbara. How has she had such a successful career as an interviewer? She's terrible.
She really loved him never stopped u could tell !!!!!!
Lucy was a comedic genius and the face of the show, but Desi literally built the industry around her. The camera system and taping episodes for reruns were a totally revolutionary idea of his. She would never have been a success without him, and vice versa. That pairing was so historic.
Well said. Twin flames.
Yes so true ! He never got the recognition he deserved! Many Hollywood men and women cheat on each other today and it’s not a big deal to the public they keep liking their preferred actor . But Desi was trashed on his mistakes for years it sad !
Amazing woman. Even today, I Love Lucy is just so much fun to watch. She still makes me laugh! I've seen every episode more than once and I still laugh.
Desi Arnaz was amazing. He skipped rehearsals because he was so busy running the business but would show up, do a quick run through and give a spot on and impeccable comic performance in a language that was not his own. He went on to be one of the most powerful influences on the explosion of TV programming, studios and wealth. He made Lucy very rich and spoke kindly and lovingly of her till the end of his life.
Listen to her full comment. She's not
calling him a bum; what she's saying is Desi was self-destructive: "I
married a loser. He could win, win . . . high, high, high stakes. He
could work very hard. He was brilliant. But he had to lose. . . . [He
was] sweet, generous -- overly generous -- but he had to lose. He had
to fail at everything he built up. Everything he built, he had to break
down. And he still claims he's the same way." By the way, she and
Desi remained the closest of friends until his death, speaking on the
phone every week.
Not disagreeing with her, just calling attention to Desi's fine points.
Good Lord, Barbara was as annoying then as she is now! She kept talking over Lucy 😔
Desi really hurt her and she never got over it.
Tabby when desi was on his death bed, Lucy called him and told him how much she loved him. Very heartbreaking . Calling desi a loser didn't mean he wasn't successful it meant he wanted to lose even when he was winning. Desi had guilt for being successful when others weren't. There are many actors who have said the same thing.
tabby A women’s ♥️ tells 1000 tales
You never do...
She loved him so deeply and he just couldn't be the husband she needed him to be.😔
Actually, they stayed friends after the divorce, like Best friends.
I love you Lucy. Thank you so much for all the sweet memories. Thank you for being there all those nights I couldn't sleep from stress, anxiety and broken heart - I would turn the TV on just for noise so I wouldn't feel alone and " I love Lucy" came on. Your voice, your beautiful red hair and your innocence ALWAYS calmed me, comforted me, you always stayed with me those long lonely nights. Thank you Lucy, and I love Lucy too.
I do the same thing late at night or early morning
Jesus is Lord of all!! Every knee shall bow
so true I love these old series shows
iTunes videos
Gary is really uncomfortable sitting there while Lucy goes on and on about her first husband - Desi was clearly the love of her life and she was still angry that his behavior destroyed their marriage.
chris olson indeed....Gary was boring ,desi was dazzling...
chris olson Spot on observation!!
That seemed to carry over to where Lucy did not leave her children much. She left it to Gary and Gary left it to his next wife still leaving the children out.
Desilu was probably the most successful company in television history. watch the credits on some of those older shows, you'll see desilu studios or a desilu production on so many ...I think the original Star trek series was desilu.
She meant that despite it's success and having a beautiful family he tried to flush it all down the toilet
Star trek... leave it to beaver... mission impossible
The Untouchables
Desi stood up to that bully Frank Sinatra. Few, if any, men did that. He was no loser in my books.
sobojetty Joe DiMaggio did also... there's one or two who didn't pay old blue eyes any mind
When she said loser she described someone who self sabotages. He admitted later in life he had a drinking problem for quite some years during their peak of fame. She didn’t say it maliciously it’s true some people can have everything but they have need to sabotage parts of their life.
What's the story on Desi and Frank Sinatra?
From what I have read and understand,Frank Sinatra was an abusive meglamaniac.
Not only was Desi the one who gave Lucille Ball her fame, with I Love Lucy, but Lucille Ball was no angel. Lucille Ball frequently cheated on Desi. In fact, the only reason people, in Show Business, knew the children are Desi's is because they looked like him. If they had not, many people would have questioned who their biological father was.
What's the story on that?!!!
Desi was a genius, he invented re-runs. They recorded on acetates before Desi suggested they record I love Lucy on real film, that's why the I love Lucy re-runs are the oldest and best fidelity of all the oldys'.
My 2 cents :-)
A few years back I read that Desi invented the 3 camera shot. Before that they only used one camera one angle at a time. Ricky did the frontal, the side, and the close-up all at once. They flipped between cameras on the fly. Genius!
Also the honeymooners
I had NO IDEA about this! omg!
also the Abbott and Costello show which was also filmed.
G.G.Gorrell , the network didn't pay for the film, Lucy and Desi paid for the film and said they owned the episodes then. That is how they got ownership of the series.
I wish I could have said to Lucy "You didn't disappoint us, we were disappointed FOR you." She is still sorely missed, but she's always with us in spirit, and of course in reruns and interviews on youtube such as these. I thank you for this.
I truly loved Lucy, she was so funny. I never cared for Barbara Walters rude way of interviewing Lucy.
Ba ba walters is always cruel
It was a condescending tone BW couldn't do that in 2022.
@@godoftheox2513 I never understood why people made a big deal out of her. She wasn't a great interviewer. Johnny Carson was really before my time but in reruns I am always impressed by his questions and how he put his guests at ease.
I will always love lucy,i still laugh so hard watching the show,she was so funny 😍😍😍
Charlene Fergus yup!!
I don't judge celebrities on their real life problems, as long as they entertain me, I don't care what they go through, that's why I'll always love I love Lucy, even though I know how many problems they all had off camera.
Charlene Fergus I started watching with my kids just now
It’s so differnt for them
I stopped watching I Love Lucy whenever I eat. Nearly choked one time from laughing while I was eating. haha
A hot headed red-head marries a hot headed Cuban... What could possibly go wrong?
Noah Namey: she was a natural blond...she went red for her comedy as it filmed funnier.
@@jilliansmith7123 She was a natural brunette, not blonde. She colored her hair blonde when she started modelling, but her hair was naturally dark. She even pointed out having dark roots on I Love Lucy a few times.
Ahh, EnglishatHeart: OK. So when I thought she was a blond, I wasn't going back far enough. Thanks for telling us.
Good one! :o)
All I saw was red hair, not blonde.
What she means by saying "I married a loser" is not what some people are thinking... she doesn't mean that he was a "bum" but that, deep down, Desi had a subconscious need to "lose" everything that mattered... there was clearly a mental block & a feeling of not being good enough or deserving enough to not only have what he acquired but to keep it... many people have this sort of mental block for, deep down, they don't feel deserving or worthy of being happy. I think this is what she was implying. Had she meant "loser" as in the sense of being a "bum", she wouldn't have defended him in the first part of the interview when she speaks of how he was unfairly attacked. That's my take on it anyway...
She said it, he had a business mind, he was the brain behind their show, he had to struggle when he came with nothing, his family had to leave Cuba, where his father was a politician, now you come here, you have the brains but some people did not think he was smart based on pure racism, Lucy was able to see far ahead and she knew this man could take her places and make money. Their kids never had to work much because their father never sold the rights to their show, the inherited enough to live comfortably, it was his idea to use the third camera for re runs. She sounded bitter, and I think life had been very generous with her.
I agree completely, Edster, in fact she elaborated on that after she said it. The poor quality of the video makes it hard to follow everything, but she did clarify.
@GLORIA SERA MULET
Actually he did sell the rights to the show back then... they no longer owned the show by the 60s... CBS does... and there's more to a happy marriage & home life than just being a provider... he drank a lot & had affairs... this meant that he was hardly ever at home with her or the kids... his position as head of Desilu meant many hours away from home but with what little time he did have available for her & the kids, he chose to spend with other women... it's fortunate for both of them that this didn't happen during the AIDS epidemic or their story would've ended very differently...
Mind you, I'm sure she had her problems too. Being shuffled around as a child from family to family while poor probably imprinted on her some "worthiness" issues too, so yeah, I'm sure she was a pain in the butt & could be a bitch too, but much of the conflict rests with him too. It took two to tango & clearly they both had their issues (welcome to the human race). It's a wonder they were able to accomplish all that they had. For that alone they deserve to be commended & remembered even after all these years.
@DIANE9247
Thanks Diane... yeah, the video title is misleading & the way she said it is as well, but she was speaking truthfully & matter-of-factly, not bashing him. It's as if she was saying:
"I totally respect this man for his accomplishments, and he accomplished a lot in spite of how he was mistreated (which wasn't fair), but he was his own worst enemy... he had to sabotage himself so that in the end he'd lose everything and anything of value to him. He proved himself worthy to everyone but himself. The demon inside of himself just couldn't accept that he deserved what he had worked for so he had to ultimately lose it all".
ITA I think folks are so used to people being "politically correct" when they speak, that they are just jumping on one somewhat harsh phrase, an ignoring the context it was being used in. She was trying to explain BOTH the good & the bad of a man she obviously loved deeply & still respected greatly. To the point of repeatedly explaining all the good he did. She just was being honest and trying to explain the good & the bad. Anyone who can't hear the love & respect for Desi, and is only focusing on a phrase to explain a complicated man, is missing the point IMHO
Why did they ever let Barbara near them? She’s so disrespectful
She doesn't mean Loser in the way we normally think of a loser. She's talking about a self-saboteur, kinda like a gambling addict.
Yes, but that same thing is what drunks do; they sabotage themselves, they're irresponsible. Irresponsible people, whether they're drinkers, druggies, cheaters or not, whether they're aware of this or not, they sabotage themselves. They ARE losers, that's what the word means. They ruin things, they ruin relationships, and they lose them.
I also think it's a generational difference. When She says "looser" it's not what We now think of as someone being a "looser". It's like how Shell Shock became PTSD. Different times, different terms.
The term has always had the same dictionary definition. The difference is in the modern mindset of the ones using the term. Currently, the social engineers have taught viewers to revile, belittle and demean others = Narcissistic abuse. So people throw around the term, Loser, for anyone they want to revile (means to abuse using language). So the current use is mostly that of belittlement, abuse. Obviously, she wasn't trying to abuse him, she was stating a fact. People can be high achievers and very diligent, and yet emotionally fatalistic and self-sabotaging, emotionally irresponsible with their thoughts and therefore their actions. Lazy and irresponsible are not synonymous. The words are often used together, it's true, but a person can be a high achiever and still be socially, financially, or emotionally irresponsible. Diligent and responsible are two different things. Diligent and wise are two different things. Our dumbed-down lack of nuance in language can leave people thinking that a high achiever cannot be irresponsible, when indeed he can be. High achievers wreck their health and their relationships, even their finances too often. Their emotional root is a sorrowful one. It stems from lack of understanding (wisdom) and a sorrowful fatalistic streak. They see themselves as Losers, less than, inadequate, even though they may have awesome giftings and talents. I also think this attitude can be culturally learned and taught, implanted by the culture. We see this a lot too. It's really not about self-esteem, it's about accurate thinking. We should not have an inflated view of ourselves, we need to discern truth of cause ( be it us, others, or the culture) and correct our thinking, our choices and actions with it.
+CA Catr Brilliant analysis.
No she meant loser!!!
There is two sides to every story. This is only giving Lucy's side of the story. My grandfather worked for RKO studios before Desi purchased them in the 1950's. He worked on the production crew as a camera operator. But he worked on the Bonanza set. He used to tell many stories of how badly Lucy treated the people on the set. As he put it she was a royal bitch. But he said that Desi was totally opposite. He said once they had a big fight on the set because Desi gave the set crews a Christmas bonus and she wanted to take it back. But Desi refused. So don't believe Lucy was the innocent victim that she used to make herself out to be. Desi was a good friend of my grandfather.
Thanks for sharing this. Very interesting and I think there are quite a few people that say that Lucy was very difficult to work with.
ConwayTruckload wow that’s cool your grandfather was on the set!
LIES
I also heard that she wanted Vivian to gain weight so she could be the most attractive.
I heard this a lot, also that lucy was a stone cold racist towards African Americans.
It honestly sounds like she wasn’t over Desi. He just wasn’t giving her what she wanted as a wife.
Probably the best reply here and the one most agree was the real situation. Arnaz was her 'man' and she tried hard to keep their marriage together. But, he also wasn't the marrying kind, and should have stayed single. He loved Ball as much, as he could. However, since she refused to play the submissive role and was the kind of wife Arnaz was expecting from his upbringing in Cuba he ended up finding it impossible to behave like she wanted. In Cuba it was accepted that men screwed around, but that they came home at night and took care of their wife and family. Men would visit hookers a lot and blow off steam, then go home and return to that role. Arnaz second wife was a bit more accommodating with him and let him have his play time. Ball wasn't going to play that game. And, Arnaz wasn't going to change either. They both often cite that as a major reason the marriage failed. Arnaz drinking issues only made things worse and eventually pushed Ball over the edge. She rebounded with Morton, and the two had a relationship with her in charge and him the passive 'wife'. A role Arnaz could never have filled.
Jenlagen I agree
yea god forbid a woman expects fidelity.
isobel64 you mean infidelity
PROBABLY LUCY WAS A CRUEL BITCH, LIKE SO MANY WOMEN WHO LOSE GOOD HUSBANDS.
LUCY WAS GORGEOUS & VERY TALENTED!!!💃💃💃
It seems Lucy still loved Desi...
You can tell she really loved Desi even in the video. She said he messed it up.
There was a interview with her kids, grown. They said he was never home and they got to witness their Mother heartache and how she became hard.
With or without Desi, Lucy was never happy unless she was working. She couldn't stand idleness, to the point where if she had nothing to do, she'd go clean her grown kids' houses.
She remained shaken by her impoverished childhood to the point where, when she had money, she didn't know how to let herself enjoy it. She'd occasionally go betting in Las Vegas, but in amounts much below her financial stature. She'd walk around at the conclusion of Desilu stockholders' meetings gathering the pencils on the tables and return them to a supply closet herself. "Why not? I paid for them." "Too much money confuses things. I was happier when I only owned two coats." The pinch-penny that Jack Benny pretended, Lucy actually was.
+Dave dvlaries My ex-wife, who is chinese, is like that. It must be something about growing up in poverty. My ex-wife was a slave driver, and almost drove me to drinking. Hording money is all they think about. Make money; and put it in the bank. As you said, people like that are incapable of having fun. Lucy looks like that kind of person. She seems disrespectful to her current husband, as well. That guy looks like a whimpering coward, which is just the kind of man she wants.
Dave dvlaries So what? That's how most of the world is, and their marriages don't fail.
+Bob Simmons According to family friends who knew her, the Depression really affected Lucy and she was really cheap and worrying about money even when she was a success.
Flirri
Yep, sounds like my ex-wife. When a person thinks that way, it just takes the fun out of life. There's nothing to live for. My ex-wife is a workaholic; and she thinks work is the only reason for existence. Not surprising, the people at her work love her. They don't love her for her personality, which is nonexistent. The only thing they ever say about her is what a good worker she is. Chinese are the perfect slaves I tell you. They only work; and have no desire to talk to people around them, because they have nothing to say. I have heard that the chinese were cloned, in order to create the perfect human slave; and that really would not surprise me at all.
_1977_ : Barbara Walters is an obnoxious, arrogant, and monotonous interviewer.
_2019_ : Barbara Walters is an obnoxious, arrogant, and monotonous interviewer.
She got a real early start going to Iran when the Shah put on his "coronation festival" in the early seventies. She could barely be out of her teenage years. You don't get a plum role like that without having either connections, relatives, or you're a member of the "correct" synagogue.
@Lisa Godin my mentors in Hollywood were ALL members of the "correct" Synagogue. Reality bites. And that's not changing, either, "me-too" or anything else.
as soon as something interesting came up, she went straight to some other inane question leading to nothing interesting or plain repetition, and missed the chance for elaboration on the interesting thing! Oh ! So frustrating !
Yes
Yes. I think her way if speaking was created. There's others that try to copy her and think that's the professional way but Duane Sawyer topped that
She knows talent when she sees it, and gave credit where it was due, but honest on WHO Desi really was!!!!!! Very upfront and outspoken about what REALLY went on in her life.
Lucy's grave has her name in the heart shape, just like "I Love Lucy". Deep down, she loves Desi for eternity.
A little bit like Liz Taylor & Richard Burton.
Just because you love somebody doesn’t mean you can share a constructive marriage with them.
She doesn't mean Desi was a "loser" as we know today as a societal reject - but a person who was self-destructive.
nowhere man exactly
nowhere man thats true statement
Your right about her description. I think she always cared for him. He made poor choices and she had to change her relationship with him. Nevertheless she respect what they accomplished together
@Gazzara5 what's that supposed to mean
@Gazzara5 if she was terrible, why not divorce her first then seek women? Why cheated on her?
Passion in a relationship can only take you so far.
Nobody ever mentioned the racism Desi faced. He was the only actor on the show that was never given a nomination or award. He was as talented as the other actors on the show. Yes he failed as a husband n father but he was a very talented actor that was never recognized by Hollywood because he was Hispanic.
April @ I don't think that Desi wasn't given a nomination because of "racism," it's just that the straight guy in any comedy is usually overlooked. Desi was in the same situation that Sonny and Cher was in years later. We now know that Sonny was the brains behind Sonny and Cher. He wrote many of their hits, created the comedy routine and was the businessman. Cher let him do everything and followed his lead. Like Desi, Sonny was, also, overlooked and underappreciated. And while Desi was a brilliant businessman, the brains behind "I Love Lucy" and a real go-getter, he wasn't the most talented actor around. In terms of pure talent, Lucy, Vivian Vance, and William Frawley were more talented, thus the nomination or award.
what? they've talked about that over and over ad nauseum since the 1960s!!! Lucy never let the public forget what was said and done to her husband.
Why do you automatically equate that to racism? I don’t get it. Just run right to that right off the bat. Out of all the actors on the show he was the weakest.
@@ebok98 because when someone won't buy your show or even give you a chance because they won't air a show with a Cuban husband, that's called racism. when you have to finance your own dream because of all the closed doors based on Desi's ethnicity, and have that said to your face, that is racism. the definition of racism, in fact. lucky in this case, racism worked out well for Desilu.
@None ya Business that bullshit about minorities doing it to white people is self serving justification.
He wound up a multimillionaire because racism caused him to be an entrepeneur supported fully by his intelligent wife.
not white people you racist idiot.
She was absolutely breathtakingly gorgeous 💖
Everyone has problems ,but I still love Desi and Lucy.
You both brought laughter to America's television sets and it is still one of the most beloved shows of today .May You both rest in peace.
bitter. utterly bitter.
I believe they loved each other very much. he dealt with a lot of bigotry, a rough life as an immigrant. his family lost everything when Castro took over Cuba. Hollywood gave nods & credit to Lucy but not to him . he was a genius. very talented. but he seemed to be very insecure. no, she never really got over him.
Sounds like she was still in love with Desi
Yes she was.
Oh my gosh...she CLEARLY was ! Her second husband Gary Morton must have had the patience of a saint since she was a very dominating & opinionated woman...though of course a comedic genius ! Since they stayed wed till her death, he clearly gave her things she needed. But it was obvious from all her actions and words later in her life, she never fell out of love with Desi. She just couldn't live with him any more....
@@jubalcalif9100 She probably loved Gary more as a companion. She did not love him like she loved Desi!
@@rockyracoon3233 Well said and well put ! I totally agree ! It's so obvious ! Thanks for sharing !! :-)
What a saint Gary was; can you imagine?! Clearly he was second choice. Clearly she never really got over Desi, and became quite bitter, as we get a glimpse of here. It’s also well known that she was a serious person who’s not the charming, funny lady when acting & reading someone else’s lines. But she found what she needed in Gary and I’m happy for them to have been there for one another. I can only wish to find someone like that!
Don't try and cut Lucy off BARBARA.. You can tell Lucy can't stand her..
Nobody can stand this nasty woman
I LOVE the Jews. They make the world so much nicer!
Yehoshua Cirt yeah, right, sure they do, lol!
Nobody can stand that nappy jew.
+Yehoshua Cirt I guess you like being a slave then...Jews love you, too. Without you, they'd have to get off their ass and work for a living.
Wow she was a freakin G! I love how blunt and open and matter of fact she is, both about the good and the bad
OMG I've been binge watching Lucy interviews because I just ended watch Being The Ricardos (LOVED IT!) and I almost instantly knew she was a Leo she is so commanding and talks over people and is of course funny and entertaining, I knew it because im a Leo lol
i just finished Being the Ricardos last night. Fabulous movie.
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I also just watched Being the Ricardos and have been watching on youtube a ton of Lucy interviews! She was one of a kind and such a wonderful funny classy lady!
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notice that after their divorce in 1960 Desi Arnaz really does nothing. a few one-offs here and there but he does nothing- his career was over.
Lazaro Murad: Talking over someone just means you're rude, and (typical Leo trait) love being the center of attention.
Lucy really did some 'splainin' here.
lololo she sure did.
Interesting thing is that famous line is no longer in the TV show. Look up the mandela effect.
On T.V? That's a shame. I have them on dvd and it's there.
You won't find them on your DVD's anymore. If you search through the episodes where you heard him say it, it's now gone & no trace of it is left behind.
R C Nelson bravo!!😅😅😅
This is a wounded woman who was blinded by bitterness about the fact that she was still in love with Desi. I loved them both. May they rest in peace.
She really went out on a limb for him. She risked her career and reputation by marrying him as "interracial" marriages were still quite taboo then. I can see why she would be bitter and probably felt quite betrayed for him not living up to her expectations or letting her help him.
Wow, Barbara Walters kept overtaking Lucy!!! You could barely catch what Lucy was saying, How rude & unprofessional that was!!! 😠😠😠
I too can't stand interviewers who talk over their guests and won't let them finish....it really grinds my gears !! :-(
Walters was always overrated.
I still love and adore Lucy there's none else like her R.I.P
Why was Gary at the interview? I think we could've heard so much more, if he hadn't been there.
Monica Castellano - I bet she insisted that he be there so he could listen as she ranted bitterly about her ex. Lhm!!
agreed.
I never "KNEW" Lucy, but was closely around her on various occasions, and I never failed to find her a very serious, almost unhappy acting lady. Gary Morton, her husband here, seemed delightful each time I was around him! Always smiling and indeed 'holding things UP!' This interveiw seems like the lady I was usually around more than any LUCY I've ever seen before. Perhaps the loss of Desi was something she simply COULDN'T get over. I do think Desi was the love of her life. But, bless Gary for being there for her and picking up all the pieces for so many years. He was so kind and so loyal, was someone who seemed to sincerely LOVE Lucy!
Cheryl M I think you'd find that most "comedic geniuses" are actually very serious when they are not performing. Comedy is very closely tied to drama. Bea Arthur used to say that the best comedy is absolutely serious. In the Threepenny Opera, she sang the line, "I used to believe in the days I was pure," and the audience laughed hysterically. Also, you might notice that comedians transition very believably into serious roles.
I KNEW LUCY PERSONALLY. WE WOULD OFTEN HAVE COCKTAILS ON FRIDAYS AFTERNOONS. I MISS HER GREATLY.
Ya alot of comedians are like that. My dad used to hang out and drink with randy Quaid and he had like zero personality in real life like he did in movies.
WHAT!!!!???? She chased him till she caught him!!!!!
She knew how he was before they got married!!!! She was no angel!!!!
So true.
whip cream on your bean, sure thats right
Barbara Walters is amazing. She is completely talentless, perhaps the worst interviewer ever and still rose to the top of her field. Truly amazing.
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Had me in the first half not gonna lie
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~ Will Barbara Walters ... Ever ... Shut Up...?
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From what my fiancée's father told her (he worked for Desilu) Lucy wasn't such a prize herself and she enjoyed verbally castrating any man who crossed her, Desi Arnaz's contributions to "I Love Lucy" are seriously underappreciated and Gary Morton was a wuss.
TheChamCham68 TheChamCham68 So True, Desi Arnaz contributions to the industry were and are seriously underappreciated.
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I can see that.
Lucy was a comic genius.
To morons.
okrajoe I. Eat Lucy smelled like Virginia slims and smell crotch
Sherbet Hoover dropped on your head too many times I see....
Roger Wilco but your parents had you.... you should respect them enough not to talk about them like that. Just Stick to the youtube vid!
Lucy is a transgender... possibly Desi as well. They say the older they get its harder to look and sound feminine.
Research it and you decide.
I don’t like Barbara Walters style of interviewing
Dora Argy she made it awkward
Dora. Like it or not, this is a TV show with "ratings", not a "real" interview!
Bebo May it could’ve still been done more professionally who the hell are you Barbara’s chief of police
@@jeridburleson2100 Why does she have to "interview" your way, it's her show and she does it for ratings!
'everything he had to build, he had to break down.' this is something i know about.
I see what she meant. Desi was self-destructive. Not a 'loser' in the typical sense but in the broken person sense that there are some people who aren't happy until they ruin themselves.
She still loved Desi, even if she was clear-eyed about their difficulties. They grew closer the last decade of his life. Cameras caught her outside the hospital near the time of his death and I remember her tears.
Lucy and Desi reportedly loved eachother deeply until they both passed and it was the conga drum he was known for, not bongo drums... #justsayin Lucy 😂
lol
She seems bitter and did love and respect Desi.
Lucille Ball...Now THERE'S a lady who represents how women can be funny, smart, strong and beautiful. THERE'S a gal to look up to. Not that Schumer girl. She's not anyone to look up to.
Women will always lose when they cannot succeed or fail on their own merits without the burden of representing their entire sex. If you think Schumer sucks, then OK she sucks. But don't diminish her womanhood or all of womankind in comparison merely because you don't like her comedy. So stop it. Picture you saying this about black people. "OH, I really like that Derek. He's a good example of black people how they can be smart, well spoken and earning a living. THERE'S a black to look up do. Not that Tony black."
See how it's YOU who are the problem now?
VideoMenu LOL You mansplaining at me, a woman of color? How dare you. Nice pic of Narcissus though. The irony isn't lost. I have the opinion that Schumer is a no talent hack. And that Lucile Ball, Fanny Brice, Gilda Radner, and Carol Burnett are BETTER. LOL GET OVER IT.
videomenu - that was brilliant
Elana Vital A big "hell yeah" to all the comedians you listed!
Elana Vital lets not forget carol burnett.
I think by her words she never stop loving Desi.The pain was still there.
She was not over Ricky Ricardo
@@joegallehgos1301 She was 7 yrs older than Desi so not sure about her youth, she should have known better having been around, she knew what she was getting into, we all do just won't admit it most of the time...
marky mark Lucy’s broken heart was talking . 💔
@@maryisabell8760 Yes it was true love never dies...
Or maybe she was just angry that people were still bringing that up and making her look like she was the bad guy for the divorce.
@@mogarcia9755 What does age have to do with it? Lucy was a BEAUTY QUEEN while married to Desi. She loved him very much! The marriage failed because Desi was an alcoholic who also cheated on her many times!
I love the movie The Long Long Trailer.Lucy was a great actress and funny.
I loved that as well! So funny.
mr. bubble That was a great movie.
mr. bubble I love that movie too!
As a child in 1951, I watched "I Love Lucy" from the second show, ( I missed the first) & loved it! In those days, they didn't have re-runs so if you missed an episode, you missed it! That is why 'Lucy' was almost an obsession to see each week!In 1960, after Lucy & Desi divorced, I don't believe that she was on the air, because my mother & aunt went to see her in a Broadway play called "Wildcat"! After her brief hiatus from T.V. , she then resumed with "The Lucy Show" in 1961, so I believe Barbara Walters is wrong about her being on 23 consecutive years! She was a beloved but very human figure & Desi was an underrated actor. Just look at his acting skills in the 1943 war film "Bataan" to see what I mean!
I watched I Love Lucy as a child in the 90's, It is such a classic. Still enjoy watching it! :)
Lucy was a very bright woman. I could listen to her speak for hours.
Still...she can bring me to joyful tears. Never gets tired.....thank you!!!
Damnit, I wanted to hear the REST of this!! Thanks anyway, for what you DID post
Yes she was crazy about Desi and even though she said the word "Loser", if you listen her description about him was that he was "self destructive".
Yes, she said positive things about him like hard worker and being brilliant.
yes that is what i understood..the guy had to distroy what he had built,,,that made him a loser..he had to cheat on her..dont understand that at all..he had little moral values
@anoop prashar, people who self-sabotage do it mainly because of a lack of self-esteem. They believe they're not worthy of what they have -- success and relationships -- so they sabotage them. When they ultimately fail, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
i just think the guy was a drunk and a womaniser,,,thats all he was out of control
Exactly! You said it perfectly ElenaRose725! I had a marriage just like that too but I think also it was because we were too young at the time. Still .... I miss him so very much and will always love him til the day I die. I know Lucille has that same kind of love in her heart for Desi but she's right he was a loser for sure based on everything she said in this interview about him ... sad actually very sad!! She seemed to be such a wonderful person. Desi had a great thing with her but didn't see it because again out of his own self-destructiveness.
Lucy said it like it was, most honest and objective.
Desilu created the best television in history.
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Barbara Eden, before she starred in I Dream of Jeanne, made guest appearances on the I Love Lucy show. She described in an interview how Desi Arnez would be overly friendly and hitting on her which made her very uncomfortable. When she would be walking through Desilu studios and see him coming she would duck in a room and hide until he passed by, then come out and go the other way to avoid him.
I believe that.
Well i mean come on, it's Barbara Eden;)
Desi, Sr. was a "loser" because he lost out to his demons--dual addictions to sex and alcohol. He did attempt to overcome these, with his son's help, at the end of his life but way too late to have attempted a reunification with Lucy. However, they remained friends til the end and were loving grandparents.
Desi was the DRIVING force behind HER success.. He wrote EVERYTHING. Got
her into the movies.. directed and produced everything they did
together. And he LITERALLY changed how shows are done. He came up with
the multi camera/multi angle, for one shot, concept. Every show on the
planet does that now...
Joshua thehand And then he cheated on Lucy.
Joshua thehand *Yeah and look how he was paid back. There may have been cheating however, I can tell by this video that she’s not easy to live with. There’s definitely a bitter, hateful person inside her*
She was already a successful working actress when they met, but he could be credited for much of the success of their show from a business and technical standpoint, but he and everyone admits that the show would be nothing without her. She was the star and it wasn’t evenclose. They may have had a failed marriage but their partnership? Their pairing? One of the best ever.. a power couple if there ever was one
@@CaptchaNeon don’t justify his actions. Her closest friends said that she became harder overtime because of what he did to her
@@stevencramsie9172 You may want to hear what her children have to say. Once you hear how their parents actually were, you’ll see what I’m talking about
Desi was the love of her life
Yes… I'm sure Desi was a womanizer… and hurt the marriage in certain ways. But...both of them truly did love each other and decided to keep friendship between the two of them...until they both died. They both also said I love you to each other, even though they were married to other spouses and cared deeply for those other spouses. So for those two things I give them both much respect.
Yes that's true.
He was Latino.....what did she expect? Didn't she know that Latin men were hot blooded?
I wonder what she's not saying? It sounds like he was a good provider, but didn't really cultivate the marriage & family.
Lucille Ball was a movie star when they met so she had more money than him at that time. i feel the same that he didn't cultivate the personal side to their relationship and was too consumed with his vices.
He was a great artist and business man. Rest in peace.
Amen to that !!
This was such a hard interview to watch and I am sure give! But I will always love “Lucy and Desi”. I only wished things would have been happier for them and also their two beautiful children who were their greatest triumph and legacy! ♥️