Do you Actually Get What You Pay For? // Sub37 v Bass Station 2 v Mopho
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- Опубліковано 18 кві 2021
- Hope this was of value to you, sort of a massive edit in the end, but a topic worth talking about.
To say it really succinctly : You get what you pay for in dimensions other than sound, while essentially anything can sound good. And if sound is the bottom line, you're really paying for a different user experience.
These synths are in different enough price brackets that the fact they're competing at all in spectacular, a great time to be buying synths.
In detail, my complaints about the Sub 37 Modulation Buses : • Why I'm Selling my Sub...
Core Sound // 3:12
It’s an MF tie for me dog
Sequencers // 7:45
1. Sub 37
2. Bass Station 2
3. Mopho
Build Quality // 12:50
1. Sub 37
2. Mopho
3. Bass Station 2
Modulation Options & Flexibility // 15:10
1. Mopho
2. Bass Station 2
3. Sub 37
Ease of Use // 18:40
1. Sub 37
2. Bass Station 2
3. Mopho
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I've seen a few of your videos and I really like what you do. I love my Novation Bass Station II and I've owned it for a long time now. Here's some additional info about a couple of options. Some of your viewers might find this helpful.
6:56 - Core Sound - Adding Overdrive - The video demonstrates the overdrive (pre filter) and the distortion (post filter) but also the "Osc Filter Mod" at 7:07. Some viewers might think it has something to do with the overdrive or the distortion. It doesn't. It's better to mention it in the "Mod Options" and I'll soon explain what it does.
15:10 - Mod Options - The Bass Station II has more modulation options.
1. Osc Filter Mod - With this you can actually use the oscillator 2 as a modulation source. Turning the knob changes the depth of the oscillator 2 modulating both the pitch of the oscillator 1 and the filter's frequency. So, it's "oscillator and filter modulation" and you can create many different sounds with it including some FM sounds.
2. Looping envelopes - Both the Mod Envelope and the Amp Envelope can be looped (you can set how many times they loop or just select infinite) and the envelopes then behave like custom LFOs. (Just remember to add a positive or negative value to the "Mod Env depth" in the filter settings when you use the mod envelope... and usually also add some resonance to hear the changes more clearly)
Here's a few tips:
Self-oscillating filter - The resonance knob adds a peak to the frequency, which you have selected with the filter's frequency knob (often just named as "cut off"). When the resonance is very high, then that peak is so massive that it produces its own sine wave. You can now get a sound from just the filter... (You can test this by setting the volume off from all oscillators.) ...and of course, the frequency knob now changes the pitch of that sine wave.
Osc Filter Mod - When you set the pitch of the oscillator 2 very low and also set the keyboard to a very low octave, then you can use the oscillator 2 like an LFO. (LFO is also an oscillator but it's a Low Frequency Oscillator. You just can't set the keyboard tracking off from the Osc 2). Using the "Osc Filter Mod" when the filter self-oscillates is a great way to test how it works.
Do the same as above but also add an envelope loop to the Mod Envelope. (Loop the Amp Envelope later as well.) Try some very short Attack and Decay times and perhaps also a bit longer attack times. There's quite a few modulation options this way... and you can entertain yourself with plenty of otherworldly sound effects. :-)
Bonus tip: Remember that the arpeggiator can also repeat just a single note. You can achieve quite similar results to a saw wave LFO with the arpeggiator...
Maybe just something interesting to try. Take care and enjoy your synths!
Really thorough, appreciate this.
I still haven't done a proper overview of the bass station, and would love to. These are great tips for it, and highlight the real depth of what's possible with it.
Thanks again, I certainly will enjoy them!
You forgot THIRD drive. Connect headphones out and input. Then setup input to the max and use external source to add feedback
@@andivax That's a very good addition. Thanks for that. I really like when synths have the external input and you can also use it for that purpose, just like you said. Great that you mentioned it. To be able to modify any sound that comes through the "ext in" is such a fantastic option to have.
When I wrote some of my tips I forgot to add that it's great to try them out with the "Latch" button on. Some people might not know that the latch is not just for the arpeggiator or the sequencer but it also works like a "drone" button and can keep a sound playing without pressing the keys. It can be quite useful.
@@JorbLovesGear Well, you just can't trust your own memory. I was wrong... The "Osc Filter Mod" only lets you modulate the filter's cutoff frequency with the oscillator 2. So, there's no way to modulate the pitch of the oscillator 1 with the oscillator 2.
This took me a while to realize... I got my recording studio working after a long break and I also had a chance to play with my Bass Station 2 again.
I should probably correct this information but UA-cam says "Returned error" when I try to edit my original post.
Anyway, I'm just happy if I could help someone. You can so easily add to the confusion but this time I got it right. Take care and I hope you're having a great day.
@vimana how would you rate the Novation for strictly synth bass? I’m wanting the classic synth bass sounds I’m never bought a synth before what’s your opinion?
I love this channel so much, the videos are always brilliant to watch - even just the sounds are worth coming for. Been playing with your Juno patches for the Deepmind for the past few days and they're so sweet!
Appreciate that, enjoy!
I gotta say out of all the synth UA-camrs I’ve found you have the best balance of content, information, production value and personality. Love it bro keep it up
Really, really appreciate that. Working on getting better in all these dimensions, very validating to hear im leaving good impressions 🙏🙏
Over a year late on this but it was a great format - 3 pieces, different price tiers, same jobs. Would love seeing more of this style of video for other things, awesome job Jorb!
Glad you enjoyed it! I really did like the concept here
Jorb! So happy I found your channel. It's refreshing to find someone who just.... Seems like a regular dude.... For the most part, I don't know you personally, or what you are like outside of UA-cam. But I digress.
Found you through Look Mum No Computer and a rabbit hole I fell down. So happy I did! I've been a musician since I was a young lad, around 8 years old I started playing drums. My father was always in bands when I was a kid. He played guitar, so I always had someone to jam with. And, through music, my father and I formed a very tight bond that I don't think we would have otherwise.
Again, I digress.
I just wanted to say thanks for these videos. I got into building a synth/loop station setup about two years ago, and now I just can't stop.... Watching videos, buying gear, buying noise making things of all sorts.
Again, I just wanna say thanks Jorb, and keep the videos coming, you've got a subscriber for life here!
Cheers, appreciate all that.
I was hoping to get some work done on his old MS10 before I leave for superbooth, but have been focused on getting a broken OP1 in ship shape before I have travel time to learn it.
Welcome aboard, thanks for that.
Such great content on your channel! Just found it. I have the Bass Station II and haven't had the time to learn it before now. Keep on making videos! Greetings from Sweden
Cheers thank you! Bass station is a recent muse, it's a real treat to use.
Awesome jam, Jorb! Learned a lot on this one. Most baffling has gotta be Mopho's clingy arp & Moog's sadistic mod limit 😕
Ok damn. I just started watching your channel's vids (the akai ax ones?) last night. You just dropped this vid and I swear your sub count grew, hope you're feeling warm & fuzzy about that lol!
Love the comparison idea, hopefully this will help lower the stupidly high used prices too as people find out what they really want. For example I own a BSII but was half interested in getting the moog, but didn't know about the lacking mod matrix. Now I know I'd personally be better off with the pro 3 instead. Hopefully, the price will drop on the moog for people who still want one as more people look away or something like that... one can hope ;)
Great video, great analysis and comparison.
I modify the popular saying thusly: "You get what you pay for - up to a point. Then you're paying for a name." Overall, I think this is true for most consumer goods, synthesizers included.
DEFINITELY true.
Nice video! You are really into this youtube thing, really liked the new editing and the segments! Here's my algorithm comment to skyrocket your channel (?)
Thanks for noticing! This was honestly multiple days of work, and I want to get good enough that level of editing can improve, but the time it takes me goes down.
Love the honesty in the phrase,”im jorb... i love gear” :)
It's 2 truths 😂
Best overall bang for buck has to go to the BS2.
Absolutely shouldve said this in the vid. YES
@@JorbLovesGear mine got traded for the system 1 because of the sh101 plug out. Let me tell you, BS2 is no slouch
BS2 can do a lot. If you have sampler, sample your creation.
@@markchristopher2signal2 I only have played the plug out stuff briefly at namm, how do you like em?
@@JorbLovesGear the Roland system plug outs are I can't believe this is fake analog but sounds sooo bass heavy and phat.
the moog filter kills it. even though you unfortunately played different pitches on the others, i'm pretty sure it's really unique. I sold my sub37 for a pro 3 and I find that the osc's in there sounds somehow lifeless whereas the moog just has character. but the moog can't beat the modulation possibilities on the pro 3. great video as always!
I noticed the lower octave in editing, honestly kind of a big mistake.
And played where I did to have it shown up well on the oscilloscope, but I shouldve just played a lower note anyway.
Always learning! 🙏
Good to hear someone talk about user experience being part of the value of a synth. I've been through a lot of gear and sold some great sounding synths that I just didn't get along with operationally. If you don't enjoy using your gear, you're not going to get as much out of it, I think, so if the budget allows, don't feel bad spending for that. And sometimes that user experience is best on cheap gear! So it's not always a case of spending more to get more. If you love the sound and the interaction, that's all.
It's probably the biggest decider in my *Keeping* something, since its hard to know what it will really feel like until youve tried one.
I'm a big fan of my Neutron and Microfreak, both have paraphonic modes which is cool and the scope of what you can do with both of them is pretty wide
Great job, enjoyed this. I have had a BSII for a while and hats off to Novation who are still providing great software updates, a really decent company. I also have a Roland SE02, which offers fantastic value & sound, can't praise it enough. For me well chosen effects can transform any synth, a video on effects for synths would be great (unless you have already done this), keep up the great content, thanks.
Thats in the backlog, a few iterations of 'The Synthesist's guide' to delay, or reverb, or phasing, etc.
Good suggestion!
I really like the way you ask people to subscribe. It’s very efficient and non offensive.
🙏 i need to keep doing it like that, its been a minute
Novation bringing in the heat without cutting corners.The Diode filter, and continuing support is really cool and a definite benefit.
I never knew the MOPHO had that many ENV/LFOs, and that the sequencer could be a complex modulation. Crazy. Wow.
The prices second hand for the modules are incredibly good.
So even if you want to control it from a DAW or an external midi controller, it's really a no brainer if you just want the modulation options.
The mopho modules could probably the perfect choice for a lot of users, exactly like you say, price to performance is really hard to deny IF you can get around the programming
@@JorbLovesGear yeah the UX is a definite consideration, but the Tetra module is basically the price of the BS2, so it makes you think. 4 voices (and 4 parts mumtitimbral) for the price of the BS2 seems really dope to me! 👀🤔
I wonder if I can run it from the digitone and use it as a poor man’s A4. 🤔
@@fernandomercado5519 certainly does... I would love to try a tetra eventually, even poly chain it with my yellow guy or a mopho x4
Adding them to my @reverb alerts 😂
Beautiful, getting a Bass Station 2 has been a game changer for me. Got the MiniNova soon after despite preferring full size keys. Novation know what they're doing for sure!
No experience with the mini nova, I might have to do some research!
@@JorbLovesGear having had a MicroKorg I will happily say the MiniNova trumps it easily, morphing options for your sounds, a great synth engine and a fantastic Vocoder with vocal tune abilities. Keep the great content coming my friend!
Hey Jorb - This sort of comparison/overview/review is possibly more helpful than the oscillator blow-by-blow demos on some channels. We want to know about the user experience and I think it's ok to voice your preferences - that's why we watch you after all 😁
Cheers, much appreciated. Glad this video is still useful too!
@@JorbLovesGear Absolutely. If I may be permitted, if you are interested in how much synths cost, you may like this: ua-cam.com/video/6RVBYHy_DgE/v-deo.html
Came out of nowhere with a good content
🙏Pretending like I've always been here.
I finally removed the keys from my mopho. A true medieval mod, only screwdriver, manual metal saw and a hammer for bending it.
It worked, seems like a blackbox from a crashed plane. Hell yeah
It’s pretty straightforward really- Moogs are bought buy people who have the money, (not a criticism ) but they are made to cater to a certain market. I personally don’t think they are worth the premium , but then I don’t see point in constantly upgrading to the latest overpriced iPhone phone either 😁.
That glitchy effect in the Mopho when the pulse wave is getting to the end of its rope is kinda cool. I'd be interested to lean into that a bit and see what kind of weird noises could be made.
People are saying that, that it adds to the character!
Good quality vid as usual my dude, if you had to choose one as a main mono synth, which would you go for?
Thank you!
Because I'm a sucker for good price / performance, I'm really leaning bass station as the one.
I will be trying to fall in love with the mopho for a little longer though, it could easily be my favorite if I get faster with programming.
If cost was no option, I'd keep them all 😂
@@JorbLovesGear 4 months later with your Mopho keys. How do you feel about it? I am so close to buying one. You are like the only person online that's helped me understand what the Mopho even is capable of. I would be very interested to know if you ended up gelling with it or if it just never clicked? I know you said the modulation and routing is to complicated and the sequencer is not the best.
7:27 BSII doesn't have continuous waveforms no, but you can get far with oscillator 2 when osc 1-2 sync is on. For example you could have a triangle at oscillator 2, pitching osc 2 down with the sync on would then transform the triangle into a sawtooth. And you can easily transorm either waveform into a sine using the lowpass filter, so we can kind of make some continuous waveform morphing on the BSII, but no dedicated knob. Well the coarse tuning knob for osc 2 will function as a knob morphing between triangle and saw, so that's the dedicated knob. You can even modulate the pitch of osc 2, controlling this morphing between saw and triangle with LFO 1 or the Mod Envelope ;-) If you need continuous morphing into the square and pulse, then maybe good results can be achieved by automating the mixer?
Rad - gonna try this
Is that a Ito Junji sticker, I see on the Bass station, while I agree to an extent that more money can get you a "Better" (either better in quality or flexibillity) I am a far more firm believer in diminishing returns, after a point the price increase really doesn't justify what you're getting.
Also am I the only one who chuckled at the " I narrowed it down to modern, two oscillator 【ＭＯＮＯ】 synths.
It is! Borrowed from. Bass station is borrowed from a friend, he's the one with good taste. 😁
Diminishing returns is certainly true, wish I had used the phrase in this video.
And in the take I used, I said poly, but didn't realize until today, the 3rd day of working on this. I just used my laptop mic to dub over. Lol
2 years late but awesome video, the mopho reminds me a lot of my old poly evolver - incredibly deep for its time with all the routing options one would want in the early 2000s but at the end of the day those sub menus for modulations really hinder the machine a bunch when stacked up against something modern like a hydra synth. I really like sub menus as a VST man myself but the DSI sub menu methods are atrocious by todays standards
Great comparison but no mention/demo of the BS2 AFX mode which is a very cool feature.
You're right! I had some clips that I must've trimmed out accidentally, but I tried to keep it to things they could all do, level playing field.
And I spent a long time talking about afx mode in a cut segment as well, because I decided it really would deserve its own video.
I want to demonstrate some non-out landish ways of using it.
Also, you get plus points for the UZUMAKI sticker in the BS2.
You got me to subscribe. And I like the Bass station 2’s filter the most out of all of the three in front of you. But the mopho keys is FUCKIN YELLOW!
Major selling factor is the cheddar cheese colorway
Great comparison video!
For me Novation wins hands down for their pricing and customer support. They are always listening to their customers and constantly improving their products even years later. I heard that they will be releasing amother firmware update for the Bass Station 2! 😊
Afx mode. Osc drift in new firmware. Feedback using loopped headphones out and analogue input. Free web editor and free cloud librarian. BS II is awesome! Will release my soundset for it soon.
Soundset fir BS II is out 🎉
Im missing Korg Monologue and Behringer RD8. Wish I had them with the Polyend Play now but sold them.
I'd love to see how you'd fit the mini brute 2 fits in here.
Like everything in audio and tech, there is a noticeable difference between budget and pro-sumer level. Everything above that level though, quality increases gently, while cost increases exponentially.
The reality is, is that most us have SO MUCH more gear, and better recording access, than ALL of the greatest electronic musicians pre-2000.
I have always wanted someone to explain to me why when I go to Guitar Center and I play a monologue (which I own in love) Sounds so ridiculously inferior to a sub 37. (Mostly talking about very low square waves.) I don’t hear a difference between the isolators between a monologue and bass station two. But when it comes to bass notes with squares The moog sounds amazing. Great video is the first time I’ve watched you and it just came up in my feed. (so I wasn’t searching for you).
Happy to know I've caught the luck of the algorithm!
Lol. I've been wanting to try a monologue, but just know one will show up for like 150 if I wait long enough.
If you like jumping from multiple patches in a live setting, I suggest trying the Circuit Mono Station. I save all my patches to the grid, color coded for easy recognition, and sequence from an external sequencer for most applications. This allows for me to change sounds at the push of a pad. Lightning fast for live performances that require multiple sound changes. They're basically a BSII with one LFO instead of two and can be found for around $225.
Any tipps regarding the mono station? Like to hear
The Motion Sequencer on the CMS can function as a second LFO, plus you can record the knob/slider movement of over 50 parameters…and you can do parameter locking per step. I’m loving it so far, at times it feels like you’re really touching the music. So far my only downsides are that the CMS doesn’t respond to pitch bend nor mod wheel messages from external midi controllers (I wonder if I can map coarse tuning to midi), there’s no un-quantization or micro steps, the sub oscillator can’t be independently detuned…that’s about it. I highly recommend the Flippin’ Grooves sound pack, a nice range of sounds and the drum patches are organized into little kits which makes the CMS a lot easier to use as a drum machine. I wonder if it would have sold better if they marketed it as a Bass Station Desktop X or something?
@@stysnappin whoa, my friend - lots of information - thank you, I see you really like that unit - I´ll get one next week and i questioned myself if it is possible also to use the modulation sequencer as an lfo but not bound to a step - so a free running lfo or something similiar - I´ll guess its always a little tricky to sell something quite similiar with in this case in some situations less features and at that price it was competing with a 4 voice minilogue - what I also have seen that people get distracted by what the presets and advertising videos sound like - and as far i have seen they pretty messed up to show of the bass station engine in a good way - last time i donwloaded the Techno sample pack for the novation rhythm, i was shocked how much useless and awful sound were in there
I had all 3 of these synths. It's like different guitars. Ibanez, Fender, Les Paul. Different flavour, different purpose.
I still miss BS II sometimes for that amaxing detune sounds. Mopho for it's sequencer. AndI will definitely get Subsequent 37 after war in Ukraine ends.
The only synth I left is Pro-800. Very versatile, good sounding orophet clone with my own bank of 174 sounds for synthwave and melodic techno and trance. Thanks to Midipeak editor it is totally recallable.
Not sure if you mentioned it but did you consider get a semimodualar or a modular? When it comes to sound design your options are endless and the amount of modulation you have is retricted by the numbers of cables, mults and mixers you have. Obviously, the process is slooow but its worth it sometimes. Its true, when it comes to get a quick and specific result, modular could be a hassle (semimodulars are more efficient in that). But if its about experimenting and searching for things to add to track eurorack could be a powerful option! You can have a wavetable oscillator with an analog doepfer one going into a MS-20 filter but have system-100 envelopes and LFOs.. you get me :)
Its kindof triggering me to see this beautiful sub 37 with the moog logo on it but not even being able to use all the modulators in a patch. Obviously, sound comes first and if the sub 37 is worth it (i dont know, i have no experience with it) its a fair compromise, I guess. The Juno106 also isnt famous for the sound design options but for its sound.
I guess if the first synth you have is modular you wont be happy with any monosynth that isnt modular after that hahah
yeah, i actually have a video all about using eurorack to build a better monosynth. lol
Can I just say price to feel should be something that is considered a little more by synth youtubers. I really respect this video, for doing a more open comparison, with price not being ignored.
Hell yes - new JORB !
Hey, this honestly feels really good to read, any hint that people look forward to the videos 🙏
Better yet...the Arturia Microfreak is more versatile, portable and less expensive. It's not analogue but it still sounds great.
I run my AFX station mono directly into my sub37 audio in and if you take time to initialize patches from scratch it sounds really fkn beefy honestly
As someone who regularly takes their gear places and plays with other people, synths with exterior power supplies are a no go. I don’t care how inexpensive they are or the features they have. And plastic cases are also troublesome. But if they are going to sit on your desk, that’s probably not a problem.
Exactly, use-case is a big part of choosing new gear
Hi, i have a Mokey, it was my first hardware synth, so I can’t dislike it and probably never selling it. Of course today there are lots of good alternatives. I agree the sequencer is not fun at all, so I never use it. In the other hand, the arp works and there’s an update that makes relatching possible. The only problem with this is that there’s a “silicon bug” that bricks the unit if you attempt the upgrade...I did it and had to send the board to DSI , but they fixed it and send it back with the new os.
The best part of this synth is the build quality, its raw powerfull sound , and it is yellow! IMO
No way, there's an update to relatch?
@@JorbLovesGear Yes. I’ll need to check the version number, but I think Dsi didn’t released it in their site because of this problem with some of the yellow mokeys. I contacted Carson before bricking the unit ‘cause there was a warning in the non official forum (the forum before the actual web site). He told me to try it, and if a had the problem, just send the board. So I opened the unit and took the board out. I live in South America so sending the whole unit was not ideal. He was super helpful and returned my mokey to life with this new feature. Maybe you should write an email to Dsi.
Great video as always. I miss my BSII. I sold it before the good updates 😖. Anyway, I think you may have missed some tricks it has... like the filter having an acid filter and that with micro tuning you can literally have a different patch on each key (saw someone else’s video about that). I agree it is superior to the Sub37 on modulation. For me, i’m not at all interested in the Sub37. For the same price I got a Sequential Pro 3 that has near infinite modulation, a better sequencer, effects, and three filters, one of which is a Moog styled ladder filter 🤷🏻♂️. At $1400 or so, I would expect more than what the Moog offers. And people say... “but the sound, there’s nothing like the sound of a Moog...” but I just don’t hear anything so spectacular that I would handicap myself on sound design and options when synths in the same price range offer so much more. And that’s EVERY Moog. Just not the best options for me in their price range. But I do miss the BSII...
Appreciate that 🙏
I cut a whole section where I talked about narrowing it all down to things they could all do, but you're right those are really important additions.
I'm considering a whole video on the bs2 afx mode!
I'm worried I'll have to try a pro 3 at some point, they really look to be exceptional, although I've probably had way too much time evaluating monos lately. Lol
@@JorbLovesGear I absolutely love it. It can sound beautiful or like the dirtiest, most grungy industrial noise ever. The tuned feedback (and literal “grunge” button) is unlike anything I’ve ever used on a synth before. But it seriously has to be used sparingly cuz it gets nasty quick. Then you have the SEM filter like on the OB6, the ladder filter, and the regular P6 style filter. Unfortunately, you have to pick one. They can’t be used parallel or one into another. Oh, it has a completely different analog distortion too... if the tuned feedback weren’t enough. It can be used as a 3 voice paraphonic. And you can make your own wavetables for the digital oscillator (it’s got two VCOs and one digital osc). Definitely worth checking out!!!
If I had to criticize it, I’d say the effects are just ok. But I like effects that get over the top like Korg’s prologue ...some ppl don’t care about effects on synths. But anyway, I have trouble imagining something it couldnt nail as a monosynth. Maybe tb-303 stuff? I don’t know, not a super EDM type. I like the synthwave and the industrial/metal.
@@veganchris2923 well sold, I might have to keep my eyes peeled for a used one.
@@veganchris2923 ahh I really didn't fall in love with the prologue effects! But the unit as a whole, I'm really starting to miss.
I'm curious as to what the Minbrute 2 would do against the Bass Station..??
I would love to try one, because i agree, i think it could go toe to toe.
I haven't seen anyone use a bass station before, and I'm surprised how much using it seems like using an OSCar. It shouldn't be a surprise, Chris Huggett was heavily involved. Which also of course means there's no surprise it's good value, that's what he did best.
He's one reason the Oxford FPGA oscillators in the Novation Peak and Summit sound so nice.
@@Michael_Smith-Red_No.5 Yeah. The Summit is basically a modern polyphonic take on the OSCar.
@@RegebroRepairs I had a Peak, had to send it back for a Summit (it's too good for only Eight voices.) I was fond of a certain virtual rendition of the OSCar. . .forget which one it was.
@@Michael_Smith-Red_No.5 Probably the impOSCar, which I never liked because it sounded too good. The real OSCar is, I guess dirtier? Grittier? Flakier? Something.
I wish I could afford a summit. Then again, I wish I could afford a Jupiter-8. :-D
@@RegebroRepairs I think the impOSCar is the one I had. Question: what do those rubbery-looking channels that adorn the OSCar feel like? Are they actually rubber, hard plastic?
Recently in the past year I purchased a moog grandmother, upgrading from a roland jdxi. I remember when i first got the jdxi the sounds it was putting out were fantastic. I was blown away. I knew i purchased professional equipment. Albeit it had mini keys, but the sound was superb. Flash forward to the grandmother and i can honestly say the sound you can achieve from it is definitely on a higher notch. The bass is what is really intriguing on that machine. Which does infact surpass the jdxi dsp. Grandmother is at twice the price of a jdxi. But in my opinion it's worth. With that said a good artist can make good music on anything with the right effort.
I really want to know what you think would be the best for strictly synth bass. What do you think?
Sincerely, all of them would be excellent. Make the decision based on your price range first, workflow second.
@@JorbLovesGear ok thanks
I would go for the Sub37, with a different implementation of the modulations and at least one (better 2) CV input(s) for modulations. I've been looking in the direction of a Subsequent37 for a long time, but unfortunately Moog could have done some important things better.
So far, my grandmother has stayed where she is, because she has this premium keyboard and all the modulation options you can get from the Eurorack.
Moral of the story: the BS2 is underrated as fuck.
100%, its a real killer piece of gear
Doesn't mopho also have 4 ramp generators and posibility of using breath controler as mod generator?
I'm not sure what you mean ramp generators, maybe im not super deep into it? 3 envelopes, 4 lfos, 4 sequences.
But yeah, the Mopho has good access to a ton of midi control routings.
you're the man
Thanks! happy to do it
The bass station 2 is a monster synth
It's an absolute powerhouse. Well beyond it's price point!
Yes, you generally do get what you pay for. Yes, the units have some variables in their capabilities and sounds. Assuming you can make the sounds you need with any of them, when you choose the Moog you get a machine that's built like a tank with a steel frame, aluminum case, real wood on the ends, and MADE IN THE USA, by hand, by local workers in a local USA factory, made by the employees that own the company. Often people complain that nothing is made in the USA, but when it is, they don't want to pay the cost of having a USA made product. You can visit and tour the factory, you can buy your synth in the factory store, from the people who actually made it if you like. They give workshops around the country, and you're dealing with the downline of people who worked with Bob Moog himself when the synth was originally created. Having been playing with these devices since they were first available to the public, (my first was a Minimoog in 1971) none of these others are made to the standard of quality that a Moog is. This may not matter if it rarely leaves the studio, and even if you're not in a band setting, but going around doing demonstrations or playing sessions in other studios it's hard to beat the quality of a Mood machine.
To me, these just don't touch the power and the joy of the Toraiz AS-1, which is literally just a single voice Prophet 6 with a slew of Pioneer DJ effects piled on, which honestly sound really lush and stark in turns. There's just so much you can do with literally no knowledge, either. There's menu diving for sure, but there are also 495(!) Dave Smith designed patches on this box. It's glorious.
Great pull, I completely forgot about these. Maybe something to keep my eye out for!
good pitch
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So close to Mortal Kombat.
Behringer Odyssey is a bad ass bass killer
Great comparison. The Sub 37 sequencer has a neat feature that you didn't mention, which is the sequencer records the mod wheel position.
One of the features I really like about the Sub 37 are how fast the patches change. It seems like they change literally instantly-- fast enough you can change a patch to a new patch with the sequencer running and there's no glitch. Useful if you want a different sequence in the chorus vs the verse but you want the same patch -- just duplicate the patch and record two sequences.
Another thing I like is the stability of the oscillators. I don't know what Moog does, but their oscillators are really stable. Since I play in a band that's an important factor for me. I don't know how the other two compare in that regard.
For me the killer feature of the Sub 37 is pretty obscure. It responds to CC#2. The other two don't, so I can't play them with my EWI.
Ahh great call outs. A friend of mine likes to hold one note while he changes latches, for a shifting glitchu sound for stingers & transition stuff.
I know the mopho can also work with ewi's, but not sure of the bs2
I nearly went with a BS2, but ended up getting the SE-02 instead. It's also a great synth with a nice-sounding ladder filter and fairly flexible modulation routings (especially after it sprouted a second dedicated PWM LFO with a firmware update). As with most of these
Those are great! The behringer model D kinda killed a lot of their momentum , but theyre still good, if you can get over the tiny knobs.
I sold my Mopho after a few months. The odd “fried” sounding oscillators, the pain in the ass sequencer and the just generally confusing programming had me try something else. I really wanted to like it. Just could not.
Absolutely understand. I might try the capacitor mod that corrects the unstable oscillators.
What did you end up going with?
@@JorbLovesGear I have a JD-Xi for (somewhat limited) four track simplicity and a MicroMonsta 2 for random weirdness and accidental beauty. The shortcomings of the JD-Xi is not a dealbreaker (yet) and I haven’t had the MM2 long enough to know what it “can’t do”. Hard to make either of them should bad. That may be a shortcoming.
It's like a band. In real life the high end guy/girl is out front, but the rest of the band are the price of bass stations.
What mopho though it would be a good idea to paint it yellow what a turn off 😂
Oh I LOVE the yellow, so many synths look so similar
Still think boutique stuff is so well built .. it makes the or stuff true to owner paid prices .. I’m glad I didn’t own one in my twenty’s .. moog stuff is probably overpriced to / behringer will leave u feeling out if pocket .. so the list can go on .. as a musician who I d self taught . I feel I deserv nice shit .. and novation is nice .. but fii I r extra u can buy the kit moog .. 😀
I believe that everything moog is incredibly overpriced and boring.. the DSI Morpho has much brighter oscillators which I prefer.. I have 2 Morpho's (without the keyboard) a Prophet 08 rack and a Tetra.. I am not a big fan of the Bass Station.. I paid $850 for my Prophet 08 rack (8 note polyphonic) reconditioned (the encoders were swapped out at the DSI factory) the modulation matrix depth on the Morpho,Tetra and Prophet 08 is almost incomprehensible unless you have one which is terrific..
i think berhinger synths are better... much less...