She made a ton of money from those threats. Ironically, her victim fame was all she had. As soon as that faded, her company went bankrupt due to lack of donations. If you donated to her, you got scammed.
@@Miranox2 You...literally didn't even watch the video. You are repeating talking points that are not only wrong, but are so obviously, overwhelmingly wrong that it's an advertisement of your ignorance.
@Diego Brando 「ТӤЄ шӨЯLD」 How did he misrepresent people? I'm pretty sure she did get doxxed and verbally abused profusely. Just because not everyone who disagrees with her does this, doesn't make it a misrepresentation.
I came from contrapoints to watch this video and I realized watching it halfway I had it un-liked. My political views have changed so much in 4 years and I'm a little embarrassed. I probably didn't watch the whole thing. Christ.
This series of comments is making me happy. Thank you for opening up to other opinions and changing your ways. It's such a comforting thing to know that some are coming around :)
"and I realized watching it halfway I had it un-liked. My political views have changed so much in 4 years and I'm a little embarrassed. I probably didn't watch the whole thing." Ah, so _you_ were the guy going to all of the left wing (or seemingly left wing) videos, downvoting, and leaving then :P Vox even had a couple videos I saw that were favorable to the right, and the comments were filled with people complaining that Vox was "left biased" as they were criticizing... the left. Glad you eventually snapped out of it :)
It is amazing, after years in reactionary circles, how much I’ve heard about Sarkeesian and yet how little I know about her. I only watched an video directly from Sarkeesian last year, despite hating her and publicly saying that I hated her and why for years. It’s crazy, I didn’t even really hate her, I didn’t know her at all. I hated the idea I thought she represented, my problems put into a person who isn’t responsible for them at all.
@@ackidack Did you see her tropes vs girls series? She made a bunch of videos where she basically lied about sexism in video games in order to get attention.
I've been revisiting a lot of the things that happened when I was a edgy, anti-feminist teenager through channels like Innuendo Studios and hbomberguy and ngl it's kinda cathartic to recognise how much I've grown as a person. Turns out, not being angry at the world 24/7 is actually quite relaxing.
You can be calm and polite and still think Anita robbed people and didn't provide the content she promised. Why is it all or nothing? Criticism is ok when it's given in good faith.
@@LilaEtwas that's because for every honest critic there are 10,000 lonely virgins online. But that's the game these grifters like Anita play. Ignore all valid criticism and focus on the losers in the comment section to gain sympathy. Pure emotional manipulation.
Asking "why am I so angry" kinda pulled me out of the reactionary rabbit hole. I wasn't too far down, I considered myself a centrist but still. I remember thinking "wait, why on earth do I give a shit whether or not someone shares their pronouns?" and just like that I was done with the whole thing. Two years after writing this I am transgenger so that’s pretty sick also gender isn't real you're supposed to just have fun with it and do what you like
same.. there just comes a point where you stop caring? Like, I dont care how that dude wears a skirt, and i really could care less about that lady not shaving. You get tired of having to police everyone who is just trying to be themselves. All the reactionaries did is open my eyes to which side actually cared about people’s freedom
@@mysaria7641 I mean pretending like it isn't happening just sounds like a major cope especially when It's increasingly becoming something you can't ignore. 5 years ago a lot of this shit was only on Tumblr and Reddit. 5 years before that it was almost non-existent in the real world. Now it's in my school and workplace. And it's not just "a dude wearing a dress." It's that dude demanding that you change the way you live and interact with people for them.
@@bobjameson3547 "change the way you live and interact with people for them." In what way specifically, is addressing someone by their pronouns too much?
@@miguelvaranda7377 you dont yunderstand, introducing one single pronoun into his vocabulary is something that will deeply affect his entire life and he will never be the same ever again... hoenstly, these people act like they dont leanr/use new words constantly as their. its part of language, as we gorw and identify new concepts languages adapt as well, but this guys will look at any changes as 'nHngg NeW SpeAk 19844 REEE'
@@joaodelgado6696 my pronoun is Boss and if you don't treat me as such a mob will ruin your life in any horrible way they can. Because I'm a GOOD person.
Angry Jack was probably angry when he was in that car, in traffic, because that Beetle was probably a manual transmission. And a manual transmission, on a hill, in traffic, sucks.
Every winter where I spend long times with my bad knee pushing my clutch in and out to creep along I fantasize about adding a very low gear to my car. It'd be a mod that'd cost more than switching it to automatic but it's soo tempting.
When I watch Lindsay Ellis or Contrapoints, I feel like I'm watching unique ideas. With Sarkisian, at least the early stuff from the time period that all the anger started in, I feel like I'm watching old second wave (1970s roughly) ideas combined with TV Tropes. It feels weird that out of all the feminist UA-camrs, the one that attracts the most anger and attention is the one with the least new things to say.
You must not be familiar with the softcore gamer community. Very whiny, very entitled, fragile egos. Also lots of spare time, very brave when firmly entrenched behind their keyboards.
@@silvertamagachi personally I just view her as a throwback. She was openly at odds with Slutwalk, which was the main expression of feminism when she started.
@@gentlerat Wait really? She one of those super old-school sex-negative feminists? (literally all I know about her is what I've seen from lefttube. I'm not diving into that viper's nest for some middle-of-the-dial blandness)
@@silvertamagachi There's a lot more subtlety to her arguments than that, and it's somewhat hard for me to summarize. She's said in her Tropes vs Women videos she rejects sex-negative vs sex-positive as a dichotomy. Here were her thoughts on Slutwalk. www.google.com/amp/s/feministfrequency.com/2011/05/16/link-round-up-feminist-critiques-of-slutwalk/amp/
I remember hearing about Anita for the first time. I was a young boy, completely engulfed in memes and video games. The biggest threats to my sources of joy at the time appeared to be Christian politicians and concerned parents on one side and feminists and sjws on the other. The information I had at the time was abysmal to put it lightly. The childish way you respond to criticism at that level of maturity wasn't exactly productive in any way either. Don't really know where I'm going with this.
So, basically you admit to, at the very least, participating in GamerGate discussion in unproductive ways in the past? Maybe you even once insulted Sarkeesian? Are you suggesting that maturing not only meant that you started to argue more polite and productively, but also that you changed your views regarding Sarkeesian her critique of pop-culture and videogames? If all of this is correct, then during GamerGate you were the type of person that made it harder for others (like me) to actually argue productively against so-called 'SJW's, and now that you've 'matured' you still make it harder for others (like me) by projecting your personal youthfull anger on all the other people involved with the disccusion surrounding 'GamerGate'. There is nothing wrong with changing your mind, or evaluating ones psychological motivations, but don't project your personal situation on others. And don't confuse it for a rebuttal of the arguments.
@@1ynx Eh. They're providing insight into their perspective. I appreciate it and can relate, and think it certainly does speak well to some of the perspectives or experiences of some "angry Jacks" who made the whole gamergate thing into an issue at all. Tl'dr: Fear not. They're not speaking for you - they shared their own experience and thoughts. You're right though - the gamergate shitshow was certainly not a response (or, not an effective, logical response) to any argument.
@@mrahzzz I have a feeling you misunderstood my comment (or maybe I misunderstand yours). To rephrase it bluntly, and without any nuance: "angry Jacks" weren't the ones that made gamergate happen, 'SJW's' did.
"Girl says mean things about video games, I guess we're justified in sending her death threats." In all seriousness, how come the sea of women haters out there don't get this amount of hate? I don't see this scale of attack on any misogynists online. What a shock that it's men getting their panties in a twist over nothing. And you're right, there's no way one woman could dismantle the gaming industry. Those idiots just wanted a reason to bitch and moan about feminism. I mean just look at the dislikes on this video....both sad and pathetic that they can't at least attempt to see it from a different perspective.
I think this just proves that we live in a culture that favor men over women. Because, there's no other reasonable way to explain that huges disparities of trait.
Remember guys, this video is not about defending or debunking her points. The point is why make such an outrage about just letting this specific woman speak
I remember following Antia in 2011, when she was first making her tropes vs. women videos. I've been playing video games since I was a little girl, and it made me so happy to see someone unpacking the tropes that repeatedly had made me feel oddly isolated from one of my favourite pastimes. I was excited to think that other people - mostly men - might see her videos and understand where I was coming from when I said I felt hurt by the stereotypes in gaming. Then... gamergate. :(
That’s how I felt too. I was 16 and genuinely excited that someone was addressing how women are portrayed/not portrayed in video games. Seeing the extreme, intense response she got…… it was a lot to take in
In a way, gamergate proves your point beyond a shadow of a doubt to the people who might have been wishy-washy about taking your claims seriously. Extremely unfortunate that the harassment happened, but at least it serves as proof.
@@SentimentalApe That's a good point. As depressing as it was to see, these big harassment campaigns are probably the only reason I ever ended up finding many activists in the first place. Hopefully when (because unfortunately it's not a matter of if) this happens again there will be more support for the person at the centre of the controversy. Gaming did see a much more progressive turn after gamergate, so perhaps it genuinely did make a positive impact in a very roundabout way.
Is this why all of baldurs gate romance options involve you being forced into a nice guy or nice girl meme of putting up with crazy behavior in Hope's of a reward?
Hi. This video resurfaced in my radar with Contra's video on Climate Change. And I'd just like to point out that watching this video a few years ago was what prevented me from falling into a bad rabbit hole. I had only ever seen Anita's name be mentioned by these youtube skeptics and was pretty on board with the consensus that she was bad for some reason. Until I saw this video. Anyway, just wanted to say thanks.
You should watch shauns video on the analysis of how skeptics and anti-sjw's misrepresent her arguments. It actually encouraged me to watch a lot of her content and realize she's not this evil entity I though she was. I still disagree with a lot of what she says, but people were representing it like she was out for bloodlust lmao...
As Rinno say, Anita is kinda weird; on side, she got some relevant videos (lingerie as armour and over-objectification of women) but then, she also, at times, craft false narratives (only womens boops are shown, only women are acted violently against/upon). Basically, Anita shot herself in the foot; presumably, she got too much money which meant she had to make more videos then planned, resulting in videos where she tried to sell a narrative that was just plainly wrong, or at times. pretty irrelevant (women sits differently than men in Destiny. Really?) This is compounded by the fact that she then, at times, acted despicably, she lied and she stole footage from other content creators. The fact that people then went on to shit on her with actual harrasment and threats are not okay
I actually disliked this video 4 years ago when I was anti-SJW and involved in Gamergate. I've since leaned far more left and see myself 4 years with shame. I since found his channel again recently and liked his Alt-Right Playbook series. This video is really nuanced and agree with it now. It's kinda interesting to find that I disliked this video some years ago and liking it now.
I reeeeeeeeeeeally wish I watched a video like this back in 2015. Thankfully I have grown as a person and realized a lot of my faulty thinking stemed from addiction to 4chan and inabilities to understand conservatism =\= open minded and intellectual.
Gosh it's so nice to see that others were bound to the same thinking traps that I was. I absolutely used to be attached to the idea that conservatism made me somehow an open minded intellectual, and only managed to change my point of view when I started actually engaging in facts surrounding ideas rather than just pre-prepared "gotchas" that made me feel smart.
I owe Anita Sarkeesian quite a lot. I used to be one of those anonymous trolls that posted vitriol about her. Thankfully I also read the replies. Someone go through to me. I started reading Bell Hooks, studying the beliefs of John Rawls, and actually looking at the media I consumed critically. Six years on and I have made a complete 180 politically and ethically. So thank you, and I'm sorry.
Amazing. i hope you are proud of yourself for turning things around. you were almost a miserable hateful person. i love bell hooks btw, she’s incredible :)) hope you are doing well
It's truly respectable to see you admitting your past mistakes and improving in a positive way. I wish more people were like you. Thank you for giving me some hope for humanity 💛
It's good to see ya grow. I think we all start from places of stupidity and cluelessness in a lot of areas. Some worse than others... Some not as worse than others. It's important to chill the fuck out and learn about how this stuff works instead of just be finger pointing dick weeds lol. That mind set can often lead to extremist douchebagery. The kind that sometimes even devolved into illegal activity. Like death threats and what not... That's a real shame when you sacrifice your future just to own the libs lol. Good for you! I too was quite ignorant. Never hated on this woman really but never liked hearing critics in general which made me less open minded sadly. I'm not longer that person. Let's hear everyone out. Even the dumb ass nazi boot licker types so we can let everyone know how fucked up they are. Don't give em a platform rave dubin style of course but you know what I mean... They need help so address it! Is what I'm saying. As for Anita. She does make good points about equality. I know I wanna see more diversity in gaming. Tired of the same old shit ya know. Give us all kinds of crazy games please. What is out there already is pretty dope but can we go further? Of course we can so lets keep pushing it! Work together yall. Not against each other : ) Love the positivity guys. Keep it up!
Just finished last of us 2 and heard her take on it. She part loved it part hated it basically. I think she made fair points even though I liked it more than her. I disagreed with her a tad bit too. As any normal human would since none of us think completely alike lol duhhh... And also managed to not send a death threat. Weird that I feel the need to say that considering...
I've seen some of Anita's videos, they're... interesting, though in some cases I felt like she was misinformed or didn't really know what she was talking about. Still, much like Phil Fish, I can't help but feel like the hate for her is incredibly overblown and mostly undeserved... but rather than argue that point, I usually just try not to mention her.
They blew it completely out of proportion... because it made a lot of people a lot of money to have someone to point their bony fingers at and send the dogs out to fight. Any rational person would disagree and move on. These people are emotionally immature and hysterical.
She gets hate because she is a conartist plain and simple. She has been caught lying multiple times and caught manipulating outrage to furhter her narrative of "poor old me I am being harassed dontate money to me " all the while she spouted absolute bullshit that wasn't even close to being informative or even correct. It would be one thing if she was honest about it all but she was clearly being manipulative to get more views and donations. The public supported her like a bunch of sheep not unlike how Trump got voted in
@@ThePlatinumMatt Anita Sarkeesian isn't an extremist. She is low level feminism. The fact these CHUDs think she is an extremist is telling of their knowledge.
My two cents would be: 1. I watched Sarkeesian's videos when they came out, before (or without noticing) all the rage and hate, or any other background information, and found already back then that *some* of them were poorly argued, researched, and she cherry-picking examples, if not outright demonstrating she didn't even know the source material. 2. The angry mob threatening and slandering her disgusts me. I don't like her work - but no-one is forcing me or anyone else to watch it.
Honestly same. I thought she was at best applying a narrow view of feminism onto specific games and painting it as a medium wide issue (looking you "damsel in distress" with Peach, as if that's not the whole point of the character. Hell we don't need a complex character to Doomguy) and at worse being completely ignorant of the works she was critical of. However there's no excuse for death threats
I kind of agree. I came to her videos when I only vaguely knew about the whole gamergate thing. It's been a while so I can't remember any specific examples of cherry picking. But I do know that there were some videos I disagreed with, and others I found eye-opening. The Mrs. Male video in particular was very interesting, it was a trope I hadn't really thought about before and it kind of speaks to how we see male as the default. I agree with Joe in that it's applying a narrow viewpoint to a big medium. And that's kind of the point: seeing things from a different point of view. Whether or not you agree with the extent of the problem, or even if it's a problem at all, it's still interesting to think about. It's not like she was being extreme or anything, sure she has a bias but for the most part she was presenting her points pretty neutrally, pointing out a trend and letting you draw your own conclusions. The people who believe she is some man-hating, strawmanning villain either assume her behavior just from the fact that she's a feminist, or watch videos of other people who misrepresent her views.
The gaming press accidentally legitimized the mob as the only outlet for opposition when they refused to critique her and presumed she was be all and end all of the discussion. As I recall Jim sterling said "we dont get to have that conversation now."... As though he has that authority .
Sooo truuuue! I’m so happy to see balanced responses to her that don’t treat her as blameless but at the same time acknowledge what a disgusting overreaction the internet had to her
I wish I had watched this when I was 15 and complained about "sjw's". The same "arguments" that seemed so logical to me as a kid make no sense now as an adult. Why was I so angry?
@@DousedInPiss Not necessarily against her, but that there is some kind of sjw secret society putting black people and women into games, or that this somehow ruins games. Turns out when you work on your racism and sexism, women and poc in games are not an issue.
@@DousedInPiss Uhh I just said I believed that kind of stuff tho?? I might have exaggerated a bit but the time around gamergate was wild. I remember people saying that Anita wants to ban white hetero male protagonists or just video games as a whole, and that every lgbtq or poc character in a game was forced in (and sjw's fault) and cencorship of white hetero dudes in games. I can't give you anything specific, as its been like 5 years, but I remember that people spoke of Anita as if she was going to be the end of video games. I honestly cant see any possible criticism of her that would have warranted the amount of harrasment she faces and still faces today. (Btw I'm not sure why you asked me this, but if you're here to argue with me take it elsewhere. If you're just curious thats cool.)
It's hysterical that anyone thinks Sarkeesian is radical in any way. Her brand of feminism is bland, and overly focused on media critique in a way that feels like...criticism of a specific product, rather than criticism of the system that generated that product. Lindsay Ellis at least has a critique of capitalism in her work, but it still fails to present a specific alternative. It's...toothless.
Hate to break it to ya, but focusing more on the thing itself, rather than "the system" is what objectivity is about. If you analyse game X then the focus should be on game X, not whatever system, society or culture that "created" it.
@@vasilivros4166 a) "objectivity" and art are things that don't go well together b) focusing only on the game X inevitably leads to nothing but shallow analysis -- nothing exists in a vacuum and we can't just ignore things that happen outside of the specific game world
But does that not speak to the fragility of the men who terrorized her? That they're so on-edge about their privilege merely being challenged, let alone taken away, that a mediocre UA-cam critic is enough of a trigger for them to commit domestic terrorism? By their logic, they were lions attacking a wounded gazelle.
There's a sweet irony in hordes of toxic idiots causing her Kickstarter to take in 26.5x its original stated goal, and making her an overnight celebrity, all in an attempt to shut her up.
I guess it's as sweet as the irony in funding her campaign only to find she would go on to take over five years to finish it less than 5 hours of content, with the end product often rushed and poorly produced in general- despite having exceeded her donation request multifold. There's independent production houses which create longer, more professional content in less time and on a budget smaller than she did with this series. I'm a feminist but i'm glad I didn't donate.
It's puzzling how Anita saying sexism exists in games is refuted by thousands of gamers saying they are going to rape her. Almost as if she had a point.
As a human being who was thoroughly bullied, why humans get so angry at other humans for innocuous things has been a subject of fascination for as long as I have had memory. I have been trying to figure out what my crime against the status quo has been since I understood that there was one, and that understanding came at 6. I realized that being the youngest child got me different treatment than my older siblings, and made the mistake of having that realization out loud and both my older siblings thought I was bragging about that fact when I was just coming to terms with it, and things got even worse at home. At school was the worst. I won't get into the details, but what is the sickness troubling the soul of humanity is kind of what I've been obsessed with for as long as people have been hurting me with it This series helped me realize why anger is important. We see it in others for the wrong things, and people try to demonize anger and violence on the whole. But those are forces of change, we get angry because we've been hurt and because change is necessary when we've been harmed. But it can't be blind If it's time to be angry, you must be angry with both eyes open, and be ready to step back if there is a third party in the blast range who had nothing to do with that rage's subject. We must be consciously, purposefully angry if we want to get anything done.
Usually, that guy doesn't like himself, either. He's worried and guilty that he's done just as much harm to society as all those "bad people" he tries to distance himself from.
YOU change and IF you're a good person, you will LEAD BY EXAMPLE. But you people are very busy sniffing your own farts and telling ppl to "just be better" , so i don't know if you have time for that.
I used to be one of the idiots who hate her for her progressive opinions. One huge reason why I regret my conservative phase. I feel sorry for her and now I agree with some of her ideas.
it's better to have your redemption arc under the realization it's all manufactured outrage than to continue straying further into that sort of conspiracy stuff, good job on you for educating yourself out of it and it's understandable why people fell down this rabbit hole, considering youtube's kind of pipeline and Real People who have reasons behind their values being shown as caricatures who want to strip games rights away somehow
It's strange that you hated her for her progressive opinions when her opinions weren't progressive in the slightest. What could she have possibly said that you identified as progressive and thus hated her for saying?
@@johngr1747 Like I said, what is it that she's said that led you to think she was progressive? Censoring video games was a conservative pasttime for decades before Anita dipped her toes into it and a big part of what triggered many gamers was her paroting, almost verbatum, the discredited conservative talking points of Jack Thompson from decades ago when he tried to censor video games.
@@YouthRightsRadical I don't think she wants games to be censored the way conservatives want. Her points as I recall was about inequality and the representation of women as opposed to that of men...
Thank you. I don't really have any opinion on Anita, except that she, along with everyone else, should not be treated with such unbridled rage. No one should be threatened for their opinions.
“feminism is hated because women are hated. anti-feminism is a direct expression of misogyny; it is the political defence of women hating.” - andrea dworkin
Not really. I love women, and it's because I love women I recognize the moral necessity of equality of the genders and equal accountability and responsibility and opportunity across all dimensions for both genders. Feminism is a direct affront to all of those things. Feminism is in itself rooted in deep misogyny.
It's a shame this video got tanked back in 2015 because of the hate wave against anita and other feminists. Its genuinely a good piece on internet culture and political psychology.
I think I might be an "Angry Jack". I can't tell if it is the current times in which I live, or because I am getting older, but I am definitely becoming more of an angry person. That said, I am angry about things that you didn't mention in the video. I am angry about the rise of the alt-right, white nationalists, identitarians, or whatever Neo-Nazis call themselves now. I am angry that there are mass shooting almost every day or two, and that they are frequently done by bigoted people. I am angry about double standards, even when they exist among my fellow progressives- perhaps even more angered by that, because I expect better from people who otherwise share my values. I am angry about corporate greed, and the destruction of the environment. I am angry about so many things, that I struggle to name them all here. I was happier when I was younger, perhaps because I was unaware of these problems, but also because some of them weren't as bad as they are now. Part of me wishes that I could go back to that blissful ignorance, but most of me is glad that I am aware now, so that I able to fight for change in the ways that I can. It is still frustrating though, that I am now burdened by this awareness of just how f*cked up everything is currently. I wish that I could still be aware and fight for change, but be more Zen about it, and not let it effect my happiness.
You're not really "Angry Jack" in the sense that this video series is talking about. This is dealt with in the next video more specifically, but "Angry Jack" refers to something more than just someone who is angry. It's about the specific sort of anger that comes from the mere *existence* of something that seems objectively to be rather innocuous. Anger about mass shootings is a valid response; it's causing the death of innocent human lives. Anger at rising fascism is a valid response; it promises to cause pain and strife if it gets too big. And so forth. "Angry Jack" is primarily angry about something that should not provoke that *level* of anger that they give off. Someone making a video suggesting that videogames are part of cultural media and thus reflect the sexism in that culture should not invoke sufficient anger to yield *death threats.* That's "Angry Jack"'s kind of anger.
*begins a slow clap* yes man. hey! everyone! get in here and give this man some likes and let's get this circle jerk going! dude you are amazing. you're so virtuous. oh my god everyone is just so impressed, you have no idea.
Westernden This is exactly what I feel. Regardless of the opinions of the actual issues involved, the fact is that the reaction to Anita has been grossly out of proportion. You'd think she murdered a bunch of people with the hate she is receiving.
Westernden Yeah but you have to also agree it is strange that they lump reasonable critiques in with haters and call them women hating bigots when all they did was raise points she would never reply to. And that isn't uncommon knowing how much stupid crap she piles up in videos about games she probably never played longer than what required to find a female npc you can do bad stuff to. :)
Funnily enough, there’s a species of bird thy my family calls “angry jacks”. They’re actually Apostle birds, or Happy Jacks. It’s just that they seem not to much on the happy side. Hence, angry jacks. This has nothing to do with the video, but I thought it amusing nonetheless.
She did deserve it. SHe was a liar and a fraud. She told journalists that se was always a gamer and that she loves them but then a clip of her surfaces where she says that she isn't a gamer, have no interest in playing the, and that she had to do research for a project she had made regarding video games since she didn't know anything about them.
@noless but does that warrant all the death threats, whining, and digital bullying of innocent feminists, SJW's, and of her? Because that is the real concern that should be taken seriously, manchildren throwing a dangerous derogatory fit over an inconsequential opinion just to justify their hatred
I have my issues with Anita and her arguments, but I absolutely agree that the sheer amount of vitriol shes received over the years has been grossly out of proportion.
It's not just her, but people on all sides and even people like me, who like to listen to both sides, even if i have my very own opinions, for some stuff i'm more of a lefty, for other more of a right wing. The tribalism has been rampant this past decade, and it's stronger than ever right now.
I watch this series at least once a year and every year it holds up. Despite wholeheartedly agreeing with his ideas I need a reminder every once in a while because it speaks to every new thing we are angry about.
That is actually a great point. Maybe it’s because Ellis was TheNostalgicChick and had a history with TheNostalgicCritic so people were more mature to Ellis’s criticism? I wonder if Ellis hadn’t had that background would she had received the exact amount of hate as Anita.
Because Lindsay Ellis unlike Sarkeesian has more knowledge about what she is talking about. Though not enough for me to go to Nebula TV and support Sarkeesian, since they are friends apparently. Basically problem is Anita Sarkeesian is alot like Donald Trump, they both have surface level of knowledge about what they talk about, Trump knows about business (or conning atleast) but knows zero about politics, just like Anita Sarkeesian knows about feminist activism but has zero knowledge about video games. But Lindsay Ellis LEGIT has geek knowledge on it so she knows from her perspective what she is talking about, heck i would say if you watch "top 11 dumbasses in distress" by Nostalgia Critic, that too is informative because again Nostalgia Critic knows his stuff
It may have been a sign of gaming's growing cultural legitimacy (along the genuinely thought-provoking an artistically sophisticated games that have been around pretty much since the inception of the medium), but the backlash sadly demonstrated the opposite when it comes to at least a vocal minority of gamers themselves.
So... I think, at least for me, that the issue I have with Anita compared with other feminist video essayists like Lindsey Ellis is that she's just not... intellectually honest enough. Using Lindsey as the example, whenever she makes a mistake and misattributes a narrative device or idea, she typically corrects herself in some capacity, whether through tumblr, another video, twitter, or any of her blog posts. When she erroneously described certain aspects of the five act structure in one of her videos, she corrected herself later and admitted error, citing that it had literally been years since even needing to work with these ideas. This is fine, and demonstrates an openness to positive critique and a willingness to grow as a person. Anita just seems to only ever double down on her mistakes. If someone calls out her errors, even in a positive critique, she doesn't adjust course or correct herself. Does this mean she deserves the vitriol and death threats? Of course not. But I'm just describing why I'm angry with her. I think why MOST people are angry with her is honestly just a format issue. She's demonstrably wrong about data points (and that's fine by itself) but she's formatted and pitches her body of work as an educational piece compared to the philosophical/opinion piece it actually is.
I don't always agree with Lindsey, but at least she shows more self-awareness and charisma than Anita ever did, and at least the former has supposedly studied film, so she can at least use that knowledge to support her critique.
@Becky C. this is an issue I've been talking about with a lot of bisexuals lately. It's great having more representation but when the representation we get quickly falls into cliches it just salts and reopens a wound they were in the process of healing.
+Loveless He means "You [mean] praising this [misrepresentation] of Anita's detractors, then yes." His grammar is not poor enough to be unintelligible.
+Goobernational Congratulations on giving an example of exactly what bad moon meant by a "misrepresentation of Anita's detractors". Does Anita get death threats, yes, but do you know who else gets death threats, half the bloody internet. Everyone who has even a modicum of publicity on the internet will invariably have trolls sending shit like that to them hoping they will react (and boy does Anita react).
+Goobernational What if I disagree with Anita's points about gaming and call her out for outright lies and factual inaccuracies in the Tropes vs. Women series... but also condemn the assholes who send her death threats?
I recently posted your series to the documentaries subreddit... and... wow people can't read and *still* think "she's commin' fer our gaems" and completely miss the point. That's... sad, and I'm unsure how to counteract it.
I still like Lindsay’s reviews a lot more. I just think she is an all around better critic than Anita and I feel like her videos are all around more informative. As a latinax Woman I can firmly say I prefer Lindsay over Anitia. Very informative video here too! People need to give more valid criticism of her work rather than just labeling her. There are tones of critics I can think of but those are pushed aside for a fake narrative and she does not deserve to be harassed.
I feel bad for the people who didn't get to enjoy TLOU2 because of their hatred for "non-standard" protagonists and went to review bomb the game without really playing the game. It is such a nice game with deep and memorable characters tbh. Even the combat is enjoyable.
I disliked the fact that it had the great emphasis on combat feeling good, yet the big bad didn’t get murdered in a visual representation of letting go for the better, even though we sat back and killed all of the big bads friends. I dunno, message felt conflicting, good story tho. Not as good as the first but I did really enjoy the level design of it
Agreed. It helps develop critical thinking skills. For example: if a man asks "is there sexism in videogames?" and the answer is a multitude of no's, but if a woman asks the same question and the response is an avalanche of rape threats, do you think there is sexism?
My hobby promotes violence against women, but rapists and murderers should run free in the street during a pandemic. Also, as much as I enjoy fucking with law enforcement, I always find time for them. I am Aspie I am a Dreaming voice actor and I am #NotYourShield.
@Wilbur Whateley Capitalism is successful economically but have tons of problems and I disagree on a lot of things with Marx and I don't think his version of Communism is obtainable nor do I think that history is just about oppression and class, but he dose have some good points. And I disagree with the idea of low rank science and high rank science, certain subjects are just harder to research than others. And by the way - my main subject is biology and not sociology.
Fair point. Most of the internet is still misogynistic. The question is not how is Anita right or wrong but why are they so angry about her. Men who discuss similar topics (for example, Pop Culture Detective) do not get even a half of the same hatred.
it because is the media not propping him up and there why are they so angry about her. the same reason people don't like Jack thompson she makes the same arguments and bull shit claims
@@YogGroove It's been 3 days and your comment is still up. People tend to think because they don't see a ton of opposing arguments (or ones that match their own) that the channel or website must be deleting them. It's a concept typed out as long as controversial ideas have been presented on the internet. The lack of opposition doesn't mean censorship.
Is pop culture detective payed vast amounts of money and demanding outright censorship because of what offends them? No. These sorts of channels are still victim pandering garbage but not on the level of Anita Sarkeesian.
GamerGate was an absolute mess of theoretically good intentions being instantly mangled and used as weapons by ambitious sociopaths. There were no winners in that disaster, certainly not the rest of us.
I do remember being at “ground zero” for gamergate, and i can agree to this. Given that it was at the beginning for game journalling ethics; but over time it devolved from that to “women in games bad” mentality im ashamed to see associated with what used to be the cause.
@@MrTrombonebandgeek /v/ and 4chan as a whole really did go down the shitter huh? I wish everyone listened to the few saying /pol/ needed to leave. 4chan has always been a shithole but somehow its worse now.
Most of the "death threats" are hoaxed by Anita or her friends. www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/BwJNnfUCAAA9VrZ.jpg During a U.N meeting she and her group of pathological liars attempted to abolish free speech using not only her completely fabricated tweets but also simply disagreeing with her should be a state offense. Anita is an insane Totalitarian sociopath who uses her victim-hood status as a tool to achieve her extremist ideologies
@@shea2111 If you want to believe that fictional video games which don't have any bigoted intentions are making people sexist is less insane than someone who attempted to repeal the fucking first amendment at a UN conference just may be using alt accounts to get sympathy then you can fuck right off.
@@deedumeday518 Because if you're making alt accounts to send yourself death threats and then a few days later you're at a U.N meeting trying to censor the whole fucking internet what else could you be doing?
She didn't do that, can you post one instance, just *one* of her actually doing that? If she's done it publicly either online or off, it should be really easy to post a link to her doing it, right? But why do I feel like you aren't going to do that.
@@saijacks3464 I'm kinda glad Christopher missed the point. Generally shows the infighting one groups has and why this channel is absolute grifting nonsense. Waiting for the day this person gets exposed as a p3do, as all Feminist males do.
The meme at 6:41 is especially ironic, isn’t it? Like, it’s trying to justify unjustifiable behavior by saying “she called us this. So to fight it, we’re gonna prove her right!”
Yeah, I have my critiques of Anita Sarkeesian's work, but only because I think she's generally implying the intents of game developers and assuming the effects on their audience. This bullshit with people sending her death threats and saying they would rape her is simply wrong, and nowhere near the correct course of action to reasonably debunk these things.
I think this just proves the misoginy in the culture. Cause is not just her. A lot of actresses and have received the same treatment because of trivial "reasons". Like, i don''t like her character, she is "rude"(usually this means that she express their opinion about this treatment or about the media, that misoginist don't like) because of her apearance, things like that. Yet actors and male celebrities general when do cuestionable and even ilegal things , people just forgive them, like "it was just a bad moment in their careers" or try to justify them.
I do not agree with Anitas opinions or how she puts them out there, but there is absolutely no good reason to send her death threats or try to make her feel threatened.
How does this video have so many dislikes? The whole video was essentially 'Woman speaks on internet, men send death threats, that's bad, don't do that' and people don't like that messaging?
I remember when I used to hate anita during my reactionary years. But then I grow out of that phase and realized that she is not really radical as mysognists make her to be. That was a dark time for me and I'm glad in finally out of it. I'm still dotn agree with anita about everything but I stopped thinking she was hitler incarnated.
In my experience I’ve found most of Anita’s hate club haven’t actually watched her videos at all. But rather have watched out of context clips from other dumb right wing UA-camrs. “She claimed overwatch doesn’t have diverse body types!” No. She said the marketing only showed the slim attractive ones. She actually gives the game itself credit for including the other character. Watch the vids yourself, in their entirety, with an open mind, then draw a conclusion.
The weird thing is that there IS a lot of parallels between geek culture and oppressed minority groups, especially ones like homosexuality where you can sometimes/sorta hide being a part of it and you worry about being "outed". It's not (usually) to the same scale but if you're in middle or high school it can feel/be just as bad. I say weird thing because most of that is now gone with geek things being openly accepted before most of these people online were old enough to experience it. Also that taste of oppression should lead them to be more empathetic about it but instead they use it as an excuse.
There is a quote from Rich Burlew's character Durkon Thundershield,"...Most people talk about the seductive power of evil but I think good is just as slippery a slope. Doing good, even seeing other people do good, feels good. Eventually that feeling gets to you. Sometimes i think the only reason more evil folks dont succumb to it is that it feels bad to realize how bad you've been. Most would rather pretend to feel nothing than to experience that pain." Speaking as a former angry bullied kid, empathy requires a level of self reflection, but that requires a level or self honesty as well which can be painful to rationalize with the idea that you are a "good person," if what you were doing wasnt something a "good person" would do. Rather than admit they made a mistake and take the time to acknowledge the changes that should be made they'd rather make the person expressing concern out to be the "bad guy" and make them feel bad for saying anything. Denial leading to deflection leading demonization, leading to call for the destruction of the apparent foe... all for pointing out how its kind of unfortunate that women are largely considered narratively expendable in a large chunk of gaming media, relegated to prizes to be won, or damsels to be saved. Which in itself can be a further deconstructed part of gamer psychology on the issue but then this is already too long lol
i like how anita wasn't really that much of a big deal before some 4chan dwellers tried to take her down, those guys forgot one very basic law of exposure
@@kiriki4558 the same guys that said "If you don't like it, make your own" are the same dudes crying that people are actually going out and making their own shit
I kept hearing people railing against her and I never knew what the huge deal with her was. So I decided to eventually just watch her "Tropes" series on video games and I found myself agreeing with pretty much everything she said. It's kind of crazy to me how much she's become vilified. Also, as a fellow Armenian it's really troubling to see her the target of such racist rhetoric when we're classified as "white" by the U.S. Census and pretty much every other questionnaire out there about race.
@@Steve-yn3cs Everything. Almost every criticism she has against individual games is factually completely incorrect. So the only way to agree with her is to not have played those games.
@@MGsubbie So are you basically denying the problematic tropes that have existed in videogames for a long time? Or are you unaware that regardless of Sarkessian's critiques, that there are problematic tropes of representation of women in videogames that need to be addressed? Like the Damsel in Distress? And Female Oversexualization?
@@MGsubbie I've played Far Cry 3, and her criticism of the game is legit. Especially with the White Savior narrative and the Female exoticism fantasy trope. All her criticisms may not be accurate, that doesn't mean what she's saying is completely wrong, especially about women in videogames and the way they're represented. There's no denying that.
Its funny to see how the like/dislike ratio improves over the series. Almost like people who disagree with you dont have the courage to listen to more than 1/6 of your point. This is actually really sad, because i actually think most of them would agree with a lot you say in 3-6.
Its not about courage. Its the same reason i dont have to listen to nazi speeches. I get the point and because of the strong bias i dont think i can get anything of worth out of it. At least thats how i see it.
@@tostupidforname strong bias of Innuendo Studios for speaking about the situation (not defending) this woman? why would you compare nazis to this, hell.
@@grimmjowjeaguerjaquez5065 Im bringing up nazis because they are a clear example. Whats wrong with that? Im not saying she is a nazi just that there is nothing of value here for me so ofc im not going to watch the whole series .Like nazi speeches. This is something i dont understand. Saying "Your grades are worse/better than hitlers" doesnt compare the person to hitler in any other way than grades.
For me, I didn't like her because she often blatantly lied in her videos, or misrepresented things a lot of the time. All you have to do is look at her critique of Hitman where she shows the player beating the crap out of a stripper in the dressing room and dumping her body into a dumpster. That mission in that game did not include the objective of beating up strippers. In fact, most people don't even go into the room where the strippers are, it's just not necessary, and even if you do, why would you beat the crap out of one when you actually lose points for doing so? It's not the only case, but it was one of the major ones that stood out to me.
She actually rebuts this idea, largely that you can completely ignore this metric and continue playing the game uninterrupted. It's a rather obtuse defense of the content, pretending that people won't go do things they aren't supposed to do because it's more fun. You're not supposed to use the prostitutes in GTA, and also not supposed to run over them to get your money back, but that and any other actions to get your Wanted score to go up is not only fun, but a major draw for the franchise. Simcity let you deliberately create disasters, which aren't supposed to happen, in order to destroy your own creation, the way knocking down your block castle as a kid can be just as fun as it was to build. Maybe it's just me, having come from the NES and SNES era, that the idea of being punished is just losing abstract points is laughable.
What's this? A woman doesn't like the status quo? Attack and threaten her until she goes back into her place as an opinionless (unless it supports me) sex, cleaning, and food maker/give her. What do you mean we're proving her point? Women aren't supposed to dislike what men do.
I really enjoyed this video. I was one of the people who brought into it all at the time. Im so glad that i am no longer buy into that logic. Distancing myself as far away from it as I can
you're an idiot if your opinion can be skewed this easily. He didn't bring up any counter points to the points made against Anita just labelled everyone angry as cluelessly angry for no reason essentially saying there must be no reason to be angry at her. She wasn't a gamer before she wanted to enhance her career as a feminist and make a shit tone of money wrongfully bashing games. If you remember she literally played hit man by just going up to strippers and killing them and then saying that the game endorses killing women and so is bigoted. This is like an extremist Christian mum who wants to ban GTA cause you go around shooting people, she is the embodiment of the nagging Christian parent within the games community and she literally stated she was never into videogames before the fact.
Glad you realized how ridiculous it was. But some people found someone to get everyone angry at and it made them a whole lot of money. Outrage sells, unfortunately for everyone else.
I think Anita does deserve to be criticized. She has talked out her ass and has lied about a lot of games. But she did not deserve the death threats or all the other shit. She deserves to be criticized for being a genuinely shitty content creator and person. But no one deserves to be raped or killed for the content they make or the opinions they have. I'm not an anti-feminist, and I know women like Anita don't speak for all of them. We should not judge entire groups because they have extremists who make them look horrible.
I don’t agree with Anita on a lot of things but what happened to her was completely unjustifiable. It doesn’t matter how many lukewarm takes someone has, they don’t deserve this level of harassment.
I honestly think that all this anger and Vitriol honestly prevents any reasonable discussions on Anita's points. She is treated like such a supervillain to Gamers, with endless ammounts of conspiracy theories and terrible misrepresentations of her videos along with the endless sea of ridiculously innacurate critique, it makes a legitimate discussion of her points nearly impossible. From people like Sargon of Akkad who suggest she's a professional victim for smiling on camera in a news report about her harassment, to people like Davis Aurnie who are actually being dishonest about production costs for his psuedo-documentary, people can get very profitable by telling the angry abusers and entitled cishet white male gamers exactly what they want to hear.
Angry Jack is angry for a reason. There is also a very good reason that most females aren't Angry Jackies. The difference is in their expected and society-backed coping mechanisms. Females (when hurt, harrassed, or worse) will usually if not immediately TELL SOMEONE what happened, how it makes them feel, and they ask the person they tell "what should I do now?" This is a HEALTHY way to cope with pain caused by loved ones and strangers. It helps them to get an UNBIASED PERSPECTIVE on what actions the female needs to take in order to HEAL and, if lucky, successfully prosecute the offender if they acted illegally. Males DON'T LIKE AND DON'T WANT to talk about uncomfortable or potentially ABUSIVE THINGS that are happening TO THEM. It is really sad, because by refusing to TALK the men are MAKING THEMSELVES MORE LIKELY to COMMIT SUICIDE SUCCESSFULLY. If men were FORCED to TALK IT OUT, they would RESENT the person that forced them; but they would ultimately be HEALTHIER and MASSIVELY DECREASE their LIKELIHOOD to even THINK ABOUT HURTING THEMSELVES. The PROBLEM is that society LOVES to NOT believe most female AND MALE victims and will in fact BLAME THEM for the abuse or violence they suffered. The problem is that men blame other MEN AND WOMEN for being victimized by another man and convince by-standing women not to believe other men and women because HE/SHE SHOULD HAVE EXPECTED the THREAT of OTHER MEN and s/he should NOT EXPECT the same FREEDOMS that MEN HAVE. Men also LOVE the idea that good women don't wander at night UNLESS THEY ARE WHORES. Too bad the truth is that women are BUSY WORKING and IMPROVING themselves and WOMEN AND MEN DESERVE the RIGHT to EXPECT that both other MEN & WOMEN will help a victim REGARDLESS if s/he COULD have been more prepared to not get victimized. How do I know all this and where are all my facts? Simple. I have a BACHELOR in PSYCHOLOGY with a Concentration in BIOLOGY and I am a PROFESSIONAL in the PSYCHOLOGICAL FIELD. All of my facts are from more than 20 different peer-reviewed TEXTBOOKS that are in their 3rd or 4th editions with regards to HEALTHY COPING MECHANISMS when helps others overcome mental illness and stress. I was TESTED and REQUIRED to get MORE THAN 80% of my exams CORRECTLY to PASS and I was on the DEAN'S LIST for a FULL YEAR in my THIRD YEAR of University. To be on the DEAN'S LIST my grades had to be in the TOP TEN PERCENT and this was DURING THE YEAR when COMPETITION IS AT IT'S HIGHEST; because all the University Dropouts are gone and ONLY the REAL UNIVERSITY GRADUATES are still THERE. So yes, Angry Jack's are REAL and THEY HURT OUR SOCIETY by being ALLOWED to keep their "INNOCENCE" and CLAIM "IGNORANCE." So I say this to everyone and beg everyone to WAKE THEM THE FUCK UP BECAUSE NOBODY HAS TIME TO DEAL WITH THEIR DUMB "BLINDERS ON ALWAYS" LA-LA-LAND THEY LIVE IN! WHITE MEN ARE IN POWER AND THEY ARE PURPOSELY ALLOWING THEMSELVES TO BE TRAINED, TRICKED, MENTORED, AND BRAINWASHED INTO THINKING FEMINISM IS THE ENEMY. REALITY CHECK, STUPID YOU ARE THE REASON FOR YOUR OWN OPPRESSION!
Why is everyone talking about Sarkeesian's critics? Of course you have a right to share an opinion, but if this woman faced this much shit she's already on guard for more. That's why she probably fends off any criticism that seems to target her aggressively, because she expects it to become something much worse.
it's such a relief that a lot of the anti Sarkeesian weirdos (I personally had a brush with this, but never REALLY understood the outrage) have grown up and realized how horrible and embarrassing they were being
Oh yes. I remember when Sarkeesian single handledly ruined videogames back in 2012. Now it's 2018 and you can't find any white male protagonist in any videogame, not even one. Do you remember when Nintendo released a video where Princess Peach publicly executed Mario as a symbol of war against men that ended with no-male working in the videogame industry back in 2016?. Yeah, these were rough times for men...
Since they made Geralt a black lesbian identifying as a zebra, nothing is the same anymore. How long will the terrible oppression of white male continue ?
How about these feminists leave people to their hobbies and stop trying to come into something they've had absolutely NO INTEREST IN TO BEGIN WITH until it became more popular rearranging the rules.
@@mre1561I’m a gamer, hardcore rpg guy, and I’m not gonna lie man, these feminists will not leave you alone, because the world will not leave them alone. Sharia law, the death threats to Zoe Quinn and Anita, and how feminists are scapegoated, they will exist until we die.
@@mre1561BROOOO seek fucking help, you are not mentally well. Go to a doctor, see a therapist, fucking anything. This behavior you're exhibiting is NOT normal, healthy, or okay. There is something wrong with you mentally.
@Joe Average I don't think it's alt-right brigading. This UA-cam after all, not Reddit. The dislikes probably came from people who found the random video through chance and disagreed with the contents of the video.
"I believe censorship of all kinds are bad! If you shut down someone from speaking, you're just trying to censor the truth!" *5 seconds later* "WHAT DO YOU MEAN GAMERS HATE WOMEN!? QUICKLY, DDOS HER WEBSITE AND VANDALIZE HER UA-cam CHANNEL! NO ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HEAR THIS!!!! WHAT? IRONY?! WHAT'S THAT?!"
I love the video, and pretty much all your content, but have you ever considered that Jack was angry because a bunch of kids were gawking and pointing at him saying "Dude! He looks like Colin!"
I can provide an answer. Downward economic pressure. We live in a society that is highly stratified into hierarchies of wealth. For a couple of generations there has been uoward economic mobility for a large swath of (mostly) white people (what we generally call the middle class today). However that has changed recently. Gen x is the first of generation of white middle class people to face downward economic pressure since 1929. The group you are talking to primarily is this generation, they are more economically disadvantaged then their parents, they work longer hours for less pay than their parents and vastly fewer will ever own a home than their parents. And they know it. This is why they are angry.
@@VixxKong2 Ooooo and an NPC! Or a robot? Or soulless? It's always right wing people saying the same stuff over and over again about how leftists are NPCs, but they are totally not NPCs
@@OzCroc Anyone who mindlessly repeat things without thinking deeper is an NPC. Same thing with people who can't deal with opposition and different opinions. If someone else's argument is enough to break your will and you have nothing to respond until your "leaders" tell you what to respond, than you're an NPC. Whatever the political party you're in, if that's how you behave, you're a sheep.
@@VixxKong2 Well I guess I'm not that then because I like to do my own research to form own opinions, and I hate idolization. But I don't like the term NPC for either side because it's dehumanizing. Even if I disagree with someone, I know they are still probably complex and nice human beings, and I feel like I deserve that same understanding.
Seeing Ian Miles Cheong's twitter feed show up in a video from 2015 is an absolute trip You could probably write a whole book about that dude's radicalisation
Or rather his re-radicalization, since he kinda started out far right then went to something more sane, before ping-ponging back to the far right stuff
I personally disagree with a lot of the points that Anita Sarkeesian makes, and think that there are better arguments she could be making, while giving credit where credit is due, but I would never even dream of sending any hate, threats, harassment, etc. her way. She hasn't actually done anything to deserve that, even if I think she's wrong about some things.
Holy wow. I have seen some of your other videos but this...This is something else. You are awesome, and I thank you deeply for the amazing content. Keep it up.
You can dislike Anita Sarkeesian without hating her. I was overall very disappointed in her work. I started with her videos about games, long after the project was funded. She made some excellent points that really impressed me. For example, she pointed out in her Ms. Pac Man episode how, in Thomas Was Alone, the character of Clare was a blue square as opposed to a pink shape. She also credited the ending of the first Monkey Island game as putting the female NPC Elaine Marley, in a position where she was not objectified. I think it was in the damsel in distress episode. Most of her comments ewer about the types of games I don't play, mostly action adventure. She explained how the camera is always positioned in such a way to objectify women in third-person games. More importantly (even though I don't play those games, I was impressed by that point), how most female characters were just a male character reskinned. She showed the female avater watching a female stripper in game I've never played. I think a Mass Effect. I think my disappointment came when I started getting into her comments about TV. She seemed outraged at how pregnancy was exploited in science fiction, even though it's a difficult moment for women. She took examples from Star Trek. First of all, each Star Trek series was trying to make 22 episodes a year and they were using any concept they could think of. Also, Star Trek tends to be an allegory of real problems. Would avoiding that problem been better? In general she seems to consider, with no justification whatsoever, that ideas that most likely came out of necessity actually came out of malice. The last video I saw with her was her first video about the Thirteenth Doctor in Doctor Who, the one played by Jodie Whittaker. (I personally was braced for the worst because I had mostly seen her in roles where she was a weeping housewife and I was blown away by her as the Doctor. Unfortunately, her showrunner, Chris Chibnall, did, according to me, an awful job with both of his seasons. It was a terrible waste of her incredible performance.) Sarkeesian criticized the episode that portrayed Rosa Parks as a topic that was out of bounds for British producers. The Doctor travels through time and space, met Nixon a couple of years earlier, lost track of Amy in New York, but Rosa Parks was, according to Sarkeesian, an forbidden topic. Also, she complained about American characters portrayed by British actors. This confirmed my impression that her opinions are overall pretty biased and not, or maybe no longer, that constructive. While her observations were undeniably astute, she definitely seemed to add motivations to those observations that came out of nowhere. I'm not a fan. That being said, she clearly is a great contribution to her field and other people may have a better opinion of her work that I do. (Does this make me a hater?)
Bruh, I was literally thinking last night in shower how I used to hate Anita Sarkeesian but now admire her work and UA-cam just recommended this to me today. What. The. Fuck.
For the record: I consider myself a gamer, and I do not agree with everything in Sarkeesian's trope vs women in video games series. She oversimplified some things and interpreted others in a particularly ungenerous manner. But that's now why I'm commenting. I'm commenting to point out that THIS IS OKAY. Video games are literature. She was applying literary criticism on literary works. I don't have to agree with everything she's saying to see that what's she's doing is perfectly valid. The outrage surrounding Sarkeesian was absolutely bananas and unnecessary.
Short version: even if someone *is* Wrong On The Internet, that's *not* the reason you're sending them a death threat.
She made a ton of money from those threats. Ironically, her victim fame was all she had. As soon as that faded, her company went bankrupt due to lack of donations. If you donated to her, you got scammed.
This is a perfect summary
@@Miranox2 that's not what a scam is
@@MikhaNoodle Call it a grift then. The difference is merely circumstantial.
@@Miranox2 You...literally didn't even watch the video. You are repeating talking points that are not only wrong, but are so obviously, overwhelmingly wrong that it's an advertisement of your ignorance.
"Angry Jack" honestly sounds like a brand of spicy cheese, not gonna lie
@Diego Brando 「ТӤЄ шӨЯLD」 How did he misrepresent people? I'm pretty sure she did get doxxed and verbally abused profusely. Just because not everyone who disagrees with her does this, doesn't make it a misrepresentation.
A spinoff of Hungry Jack?
No more like hot sauce.
@Stand:「Catch the Rainbow」 Master:「Blackmore」 who asked?
@Joe Average male tears means semen.
I came from contrapoints to watch this video and I realized watching it halfway I had it un-liked. My political views have changed so much in 4 years and I'm a little embarrassed. I probably didn't watch the whole thing. Christ.
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Same man, I had that feminism = bad mentality some time ago too... I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who got out of it.
You did well by reflecting and growing. Pay it forward, I feel like we could change shit if we do that
This series of comments is making me happy. Thank you for opening up to other opinions and changing your ways. It's such a comforting thing to know that some are coming around :)
"and I realized watching it halfway I had it un-liked. My political views have changed so much in 4 years and I'm a little embarrassed. I probably didn't watch the whole thing."
Ah, so _you_ were the guy going to all of the left wing (or seemingly left wing) videos, downvoting, and leaving then :P
Vox even had a couple videos I saw that were favorable to the right, and the comments were filled with people complaining that Vox was "left biased" as they were criticizing... the left.
Glad you eventually snapped out of it :)
It is amazing, after years in reactionary circles, how much I’ve heard about Sarkeesian and yet how little I know about her. I only watched an video directly from Sarkeesian last year, despite hating her and publicly saying that I hated her and why for years. It’s crazy, I didn’t even really hate her, I didn’t know her at all. I hated the idea I thought she represented, my problems put into a person who isn’t responsible for them at all.
Same man
I genuinely felt so bad when I switched sides
GamerGate was a total overreaction, but let's not act like Sarkeesian isn't a total piece of shit.
@@frausteiner8615 sarkeesian Is fine. I haven't seen anything abt her that's bad
@@ackidack Did you see her tropes vs girls series?
She made a bunch of videos where she basically lied about sexism in video games in order to get attention.
I've been revisiting a lot of the things that happened when I was a edgy, anti-feminist teenager through channels like Innuendo Studios and hbomberguy and ngl it's kinda cathartic to recognise how much I've grown as a person. Turns out, not being angry at the world 24/7 is actually quite relaxing.
yeah man, you and me both. I wish I could go back in time and punch myself
lots of us fell down that rabbit hole for a minute, but just as many of us climbed our way back out :)
You can be calm and polite and still think Anita robbed people and didn't provide the content she promised. Why is it all or nothing? Criticism is ok when it's given in good faith.
@@HorusHerotic Except that that's absolutely not what happened with Anita Sarkeesian. The vast majority of "criticism" she got was vile.
@@LilaEtwas that's because for every honest critic there are 10,000 lonely virgins online. But that's the game these grifters like Anita play. Ignore all valid criticism and focus on the losers in the comment section to gain sympathy. Pure emotional manipulation.
Asking "why am I so angry" kinda pulled me out of the reactionary rabbit hole. I wasn't too far down, I considered myself a centrist but still. I remember thinking "wait, why on earth do I give a shit whether or not someone shares their pronouns?" and just like that I was done with the whole thing.
Two years after writing this I am transgenger so that’s pretty sick also gender isn't real you're supposed to just have fun with it and do what you like
same.. there just comes a point where you stop caring? Like, I dont care how that dude wears a skirt, and i really could care less about that lady not shaving. You get tired of having to police everyone who is just trying to be themselves. All the reactionaries did is open my eyes to which side actually cared about people’s freedom
@@mysaria7641 I mean pretending like it isn't happening just sounds like a major cope especially when It's increasingly becoming something you can't ignore. 5 years ago a lot of this shit was only on Tumblr and Reddit. 5 years before that it was almost non-existent in the real world. Now it's in my school and workplace. And it's not just "a dude wearing a dress." It's that dude demanding that you change the way you live and interact with people for them.
@@bobjameson3547 "change the way you live and interact with people for them." In what way specifically, is addressing someone by their pronouns too much?
@@miguelvaranda7377 you dont yunderstand, introducing one single pronoun into his vocabulary is something that will deeply affect his entire life and he will never be the same ever again... hoenstly, these people act like they dont leanr/use new words constantly as their. its part of language, as we gorw and identify new concepts languages adapt as well, but this guys will look at any changes as 'nHngg NeW SpeAk 19844 REEE'
@@joaodelgado6696 my pronoun is Boss and if you don't treat me as such a mob will ruin your life in any horrible way they can. Because I'm a GOOD person.
Angry Jack was probably angry when he was in that car, in traffic, because that Beetle was probably a manual transmission. And a manual transmission, on a hill, in traffic, sucks.
You spoiled Yanks and your automatics.
Every winter where I spend long times with my bad knee pushing my clutch in and out to creep along I fantasize about adding a very low gear to my car. It'd be a mod that'd cost more than switching it to automatic but it's soo tempting.
Doesn't mean that he was in the right to sneer at someone.
I prefer manual transmittion.
Too relatable
When I watch Lindsay Ellis or Contrapoints, I feel like I'm watching unique ideas. With Sarkisian, at least the early stuff from the time period that all the anger started in, I feel like I'm watching old second wave (1970s roughly) ideas combined with TV Tropes. It feels weird that out of all the feminist UA-camrs, the one that attracts the most anger and attention is the one with the least new things to say.
She's so . . . mild. I tend to view her as a nice refresher on the basics. "Baby's first SJW," I guess.
You must not be familiar with the softcore gamer community. Very whiny, very entitled, fragile egos. Also lots of spare time, very brave when firmly entrenched behind their keyboards.
@@silvertamagachi personally I just view her as a throwback. She was openly at odds with Slutwalk, which was the main expression of feminism when she started.
@@gentlerat Wait really? She one of those super old-school sex-negative feminists? (literally all I know about her is what I've seen from lefttube. I'm not diving into that viper's nest for some middle-of-the-dial blandness)
@@silvertamagachi There's a lot more subtlety to her arguments than that, and it's somewhat hard for me to summarize. She's said in her Tropes vs Women videos she rejects sex-negative vs sex-positive as a dichotomy. Here were her thoughts on Slutwalk. www.google.com/amp/s/feministfrequency.com/2011/05/16/link-round-up-feminist-critiques-of-slutwalk/amp/
Do not read the comments. You've got better things to do.
thanks man
I need someone like you in my life.
This should be the top comment.
Edin Sumar Nah I got free time it's cool.
AKA:
Don't read differing opinions, live in your circle jerk.
I remember hearing about Anita for the first time. I was a young boy, completely engulfed in memes and video games. The biggest threats to my sources of joy at the time appeared to be Christian politicians and concerned parents on one side and feminists and sjws on the other. The information I had at the time was abysmal to put it lightly. The childish way you respond to criticism at that level of maturity wasn't exactly productive in any way either. Don't really know where I'm going with this.
I think you were about to give me two dollars.
So, basically you admit to, at the very least, participating in GamerGate discussion in unproductive ways in the past? Maybe you even once insulted Sarkeesian? Are you suggesting that maturing not only meant that you started to argue more polite and productively, but also that you changed your views regarding Sarkeesian her critique of pop-culture and videogames?
If all of this is correct, then during GamerGate you were the type of person that made it harder for others (like me) to actually argue productively against so-called 'SJW's, and now that you've 'matured' you still make it harder for others (like me) by projecting your personal youthfull anger on all the other people involved with the disccusion surrounding 'GamerGate'.
There is nothing wrong with changing your mind, or evaluating ones psychological motivations, but don't project your personal situation on others. And don't confuse it for a rebuttal of the arguments.
@@1ynx Eh. They're providing insight into their perspective. I appreciate it and can relate, and think it certainly does speak well to some of the perspectives or experiences of some "angry Jacks" who made the whole gamergate thing into an issue at all.
Tl'dr: Fear not. They're not speaking for you - they shared their own experience and thoughts. You're right though - the gamergate shitshow was certainly not a response (or, not an effective, logical response) to any argument.
@@mrahzzz I have a feeling you misunderstood my comment (or maybe I misunderstand yours). To rephrase it bluntly, and without any nuance: "angry Jacks" weren't the ones that made gamergate happen, 'SJW's' did.
@@1ynx Perhaps some misunderstanding happened, but I think what's really happening is that we just disagree.
"Girl says mean things about video games, I guess we're justified in sending her death threats."
In all seriousness, how come the sea of women haters out there don't get this amount of hate? I don't see this scale of attack on any misogynists online. What a shock that it's men getting their panties in a twist over nothing.
And you're right, there's no way one woman could dismantle the gaming industry. Those idiots just wanted a reason to bitch and moan about feminism. I mean just look at the dislikes on this video....both sad and pathetic that they can't at least attempt to see it from a different perspective.
I think this just proves that we live in a culture that favor men over women. Because, there's no other reasonable way to explain that huges disparities of trait.
good straw man
@@kiriki4558 good joke
men get it worse but no one gives a shit
@@trip9845 could yhu elaborate please?
@@faithngiraingass3355 the strawman or the joke comment?
Remember guys, this video is not about defending or debunking her points. The point is why make such an outrage about just letting this specific woman speak
I've heard many people trying to debate her views in the most respectful manner, but as far as I know sh's always refused.
@Omega0918 Yes, or Sargon of Akkad if I remember. She's trying to pass off everyone who criticizes her as sexist.
@@timpize8733 sargon is literally the biggest bigot on the planet
@@shamblestheclown Why is that? I don't know him that well. Anyway, I doubt it's true but if it was the point would still stand.
@Omega0918 no, it's because he supports phrenology. but sure, go with your idea
I remember following Antia in 2011, when she was first making her tropes vs. women videos. I've been playing video games since I was a little girl, and it made me so happy to see someone unpacking the tropes that repeatedly had made me feel oddly isolated from one of my favourite pastimes. I was excited to think that other people - mostly men - might see her videos and understand where I was coming from when I said I felt hurt by the stereotypes in gaming. Then... gamergate. :(
That’s how I felt too. I was 16 and genuinely excited that someone was addressing how women are portrayed/not portrayed in video games. Seeing the extreme, intense response she got…… it was a lot to take in
Same
In a way, gamergate proves your point beyond a shadow of a doubt to the people who might have been wishy-washy about taking your claims seriously. Extremely unfortunate that the harassment happened, but at least it serves as proof.
@@SentimentalApe That's a good point. As depressing as it was to see, these big harassment campaigns are probably the only reason I ever ended up finding many activists in the first place. Hopefully when (because unfortunately it's not a matter of if) this happens again there will be more support for the person at the centre of the controversy.
Gaming did see a much more progressive turn after gamergate, so perhaps it genuinely did make a positive impact in a very roundabout way.
Is this why all of baldurs gate romance options involve you being forced into a nice guy or nice girl meme of putting up with crazy behavior in Hope's of a reward?
Hi. This video resurfaced in my radar with Contra's video on Climate Change. And I'd just like to point out that watching this video a few years ago was what prevented me from falling into a bad rabbit hole. I had only ever seen Anita's name be mentioned by these youtube skeptics and was pretty on board with the consensus that she was bad for some reason. Until I saw this video.
Anyway, just wanted to say thanks.
You should watch shauns video on the analysis of how skeptics and anti-sjw's misrepresent her arguments. It actually encouraged me to watch a lot of her content and realize she's not this evil entity I though she was. I still disagree with a lot of what she says, but people were representing it like she was out for bloodlust lmao...
As Rinno say, Anita is kinda weird; on side, she got some relevant videos (lingerie as armour and over-objectification of women) but then, she also, at times, craft false narratives (only womens boops are shown, only women are acted violently against/upon).
Basically, Anita shot herself in the foot; presumably, she got too much money which meant she had to make more videos then planned, resulting in videos where she tried to sell a narrative that was just plainly wrong, or at times. pretty irrelevant (women sits differently than men in Destiny. Really?)
This is compounded by the fact that she then, at times, acted despicably, she lied and she stole footage from other content creators.
The fact that people then went on to shit on her with actual harrasment and threats are not okay
Hey, I came here from another of her videos!
Rinnosuke Morichika I agree with you mostly. If only the criticisms of her were of this ilk.
I actually disliked this video 4 years ago when I was anti-SJW and involved in Gamergate. I've since leaned far more left and see myself 4 years with shame. I since found his channel again recently and liked his Alt-Right Playbook series. This video is really nuanced and agree with it now. It's kinda interesting to find that I disliked this video some years ago and liking it now.
I reeeeeeeeeeeally wish I watched a video like this back in 2015. Thankfully I have grown as a person and realized a lot of my faulty thinking stemed from addiction to 4chan and inabilities to understand conservatism =\= open minded and intellectual.
Gosh it's so nice to see that others were bound to the same thinking traps that I was. I absolutely used to be attached to the idea that conservatism made me somehow an open minded intellectual, and only managed to change my point of view when I started actually engaging in facts surrounding ideas rather than just pre-prepared "gotchas" that made me feel smart.
I owe Anita Sarkeesian quite a lot. I used to be one of those anonymous trolls that posted vitriol about her. Thankfully I also read the replies. Someone go through to me. I started reading Bell Hooks, studying the beliefs of John Rawls, and actually looking at the media I consumed critically. Six years on and I have made a complete 180 politically and ethically. So thank you, and I'm sorry.
Amazing. i hope you are proud of yourself for turning things around. you were almost a miserable hateful person. i love bell hooks btw, she’s incredible :)) hope you are doing well
It's truly respectable to see you admitting your past mistakes and improving in a positive way. I wish more people were like you. Thank you for giving me some hope for humanity 💛
It's good to see ya grow. I think we all start from places of stupidity and cluelessness in a lot of areas. Some worse than others... Some not as worse than others. It's important to chill the fuck out and learn about how this stuff works instead of just be finger pointing dick weeds lol.
That mind set can often lead to extremist douchebagery. The kind that sometimes even devolved into illegal activity. Like death threats and what not... That's a real shame when you sacrifice your future just to own the libs lol.
Good for you! I too was quite ignorant. Never hated on this woman really but never liked hearing critics in general which made me less open minded sadly. I'm not longer that person. Let's hear everyone out. Even the dumb ass nazi boot licker types so we can let everyone know how fucked up they are. Don't give em a platform rave dubin style of course but you know what I mean... They need help so address it! Is what I'm saying.
As for Anita. She does make good points about equality. I know I wanna see more diversity in gaming. Tired of the same old shit ya know. Give us all kinds of crazy games please. What is out there already is pretty dope but can we go further? Of course we can so lets keep pushing it!
Work together yall. Not against each other : )
Love the positivity guys. Keep it up!
pathetic
It’s nice to know that people can change no matter how hopeless they seem.
"Some authority figure is going to take the games away."
Mom?
^^
Just finished last of us 2 and heard her take on it. She part loved it part hated it basically. I think she made fair points even though I liked it more than her. I disagreed with her a tad bit too. As any normal human would since none of us think completely alike lol duhhh...
And also managed to not send a death threat. Weird that I feel the need to say that considering...
I've seen some of Anita's videos, they're... interesting, though in some cases I felt like she was misinformed or didn't really know what she was talking about. Still, much like Phil Fish, I can't help but feel like the hate for her is incredibly overblown and mostly undeserved... but rather than argue that point, I usually just try not to mention her.
It isn't if you have watched her previous videos before her kickstarter. Sarkeesian isn't just a feminist. she's an extremist
They blew it completely out of proportion... because it made a lot of people a lot of money to have someone to point their bony fingers at and send the dogs out to fight. Any rational person would disagree and move on. These people are emotionally immature and hysterical.
She gets hate because she is a conartist plain and simple. She has been caught lying multiple times and caught manipulating outrage to furhter her narrative of "poor old me I am being harassed dontate money to me " all the while she spouted absolute bullshit that wasn't even close to being informative or even correct.
It would be one thing if she was honest about it all but she was clearly being manipulative to get more views and donations. The public supported her like a bunch of sheep not unlike how Trump got voted in
@@noless What does she say or do that's extreme (and I'm not saying she's not extreme, I'm just curious)
@@ThePlatinumMatt Anita Sarkeesian isn't an extremist. She is low level feminism. The fact these CHUDs think she is an extremist is telling of their knowledge.
My two cents would be:
1. I watched Sarkeesian's videos when they came out, before (or without noticing) all the rage and hate, or any other background information, and found already back then that *some* of them were poorly argued, researched, and she cherry-picking examples, if not outright demonstrating she didn't even know the source material.
2. The angry mob threatening and slandering her disgusts me. I don't like her work - but no-one is forcing me or anyone else to watch it.
Honestly same. I thought she was at best applying a narrow view of feminism onto specific games and painting it as a medium wide issue (looking you "damsel in distress" with Peach, as if that's not the whole point of the character. Hell we don't need a complex character to Doomguy) and at worse being completely ignorant of the works she was critical of. However there's no excuse for death threats
here's the thing. it's criticized through a feminist lens. obviously it's narrowly reviewed, it's supposed to be seen through one narrow view.
I kind of agree. I came to her videos when I only vaguely knew about the whole gamergate thing. It's been a while so I can't remember any specific examples of cherry picking. But I do know that there were some videos I disagreed with, and others I found eye-opening. The Mrs. Male video in particular was very interesting, it was a trope I hadn't really thought about before and it kind of speaks to how we see male as the default. I agree with Joe in that it's applying a narrow viewpoint to a big medium. And that's kind of the point: seeing things from a different point of view. Whether or not you agree with the extent of the problem, or even if it's a problem at all, it's still interesting to think about. It's not like she was being extreme or anything, sure she has a bias but for the most part she was presenting her points pretty neutrally, pointing out a trend and letting you draw your own conclusions. The people who believe she is some man-hating, strawmanning villain either assume her behavior just from the fact that she's a feminist, or watch videos of other people who misrepresent her views.
The gaming press accidentally legitimized the mob as the only outlet for opposition when they refused to critique her and presumed she was be all and end all of the discussion. As I recall Jim sterling said "we dont get to have that conversation now."...
As though he has that authority .
Sooo truuuue! I’m so happy to see balanced responses to her that don’t treat her as blameless but at the same time acknowledge what a disgusting overreaction the internet had to her
I wish I had watched this when I was 15 and complained about "sjw's". The same "arguments" that seemed so logical to me as a kid make no sense now as an adult. Why was I so angry?
Same. I think this series is one of the best ways to pull young men out of the reactionary rabbit hole.
What arguments leveled against her are wrong exactly?
@@DousedInPiss Not necessarily against her, but that there is some kind of sjw secret society putting black people and women into games, or that this somehow ruins games. Turns out when you work on your racism and sexism, women and poc in games are not an issue.
@@kaarlomakkarakasa440 oh so something that nobody actually believes cool. okay.
@@DousedInPiss Uhh I just said I believed that kind of stuff tho?? I might have exaggerated a bit but the time around gamergate was wild. I remember people saying that Anita wants to ban white hetero male protagonists or just video games as a whole, and that every lgbtq or poc character in a game was forced in (and sjw's fault) and cencorship of white hetero dudes in games. I can't give you anything specific, as its been like 5 years, but I remember that people spoke of Anita as if she was going to be the end of video games. I honestly cant see any possible criticism of her that would have warranted the amount of harrasment she faces and still faces today.
(Btw I'm not sure why you asked me this, but if you're here to argue with me take it elsewhere. If you're just curious thats cool.)
It's hysterical that anyone thinks Sarkeesian is radical in any way. Her brand of feminism is bland, and overly focused on media critique in a way that feels like...criticism of a specific product, rather than criticism of the system that generated that product. Lindsay Ellis at least has a critique of capitalism in her work, but it still fails to present a specific alternative. It's...toothless.
Hate to break it to ya, but focusing more on the thing itself, rather than "the system" is what objectivity is about. If you analyse game X then the focus should be on game X, not whatever system, society or culture that "created" it.
@@vasilivros4166 a) "objectivity" and art are things that don't go well together
b) focusing only on the game X inevitably leads to nothing but shallow analysis -- nothing exists in a vacuum and we can't just ignore things that happen outside of the specific game world
But does that not speak to the fragility of the men who terrorized her? That they're so on-edge about their privilege merely being challenged, let alone taken away, that a mediocre UA-cam critic is enough of a trigger for them to commit domestic terrorism? By their logic, they were lions attacking a wounded gazelle.
She’s not radical, but she’s not wrong in a lot of her critiques either
@@vasilivros4166 except games don’t exist in a vacuum, they are a part of a culture, and as much as they are a product of it they also influence it
There's a sweet irony in hordes of toxic idiots causing her Kickstarter to take in 26.5x its original stated goal, and making her an overnight celebrity, all in an attempt to shut her up.
I guess it's as sweet as the irony in funding her campaign only to find she would go on to take over five years to finish it less than 5 hours of content, with the end product often rushed and poorly produced in general- despite having exceeded her donation request multifold. There's independent production houses which create longer, more professional content in less time and on a budget smaller than she did with this series. I'm a feminist but i'm glad I didn't donate.
I Like Turtles like the 48 laws of power say“there’s no such thing as bad publicity”
Doesnt that damn her work with faint praise?
It's puzzling how Anita saying sexism exists in games is refuted by thousands of gamers saying they are going to rape her. Almost as if she had a point.
@StolenEyes Yeah, that's called being smart.
As a human being who was thoroughly bullied, why humans get so angry at other humans for innocuous things has been a subject of fascination for as long as I have had memory. I have been trying to figure out what my crime against the status quo has been since I understood that there was one, and that understanding came at 6. I realized that being the youngest child got me different treatment than my older siblings, and made the mistake of having that realization out loud and both my older siblings thought I was bragging about that fact when I was just coming to terms with it, and things got even worse at home. At school was the worst. I won't get into the details, but what is the sickness troubling the soul of humanity is kind of what I've been obsessed with for as long as people have been hurting me with it
This series helped me realize why anger is important. We see it in others for the wrong things, and people try to demonize anger and violence on the whole. But those are forces of change, we get angry because we've been hurt and because change is necessary when we've been harmed. But it can't be blind
If it's time to be angry, you must be angry with both eyes open, and be ready to step back if there is a third party in the blast range who had nothing to do with that rage's subject.
We must be consciously, purposefully angry if we want to get anything done.
We all know an Angry Jack lmao. And to any Angry Jack reading this: you can change. Please don't be that guy. Nobody likes that guy.
Usually, that guy doesn't like himself, either. He's worried and guilty that he's done just as much harm to society as all those "bad people" he tries to distance himself from.
@@General12th I don't think a lot of feminist like Sarkeesian likes themselves.
YOU change and IF you're a good person, you will LEAD BY EXAMPLE.
But you people are very busy sniffing your own farts and telling ppl to "just be better" , so i don't know if you have time for that.
@@siddbastard Found the Angry Jack
Well damn Samita not everyone can be as saintly/ holy as you.
The fact that the worst thing these people can imagine is “ruining games” says a lot about their privilege
Heavan forbid what might happen to this country if those people actually discover something that's worth getting angry about.
Exactly.
@@c0nd0rd4myt and thats why i own guns
@black bear they wont listen
@@goose607 dumbass
i, for one, do want every videogame to be a walking simulator about lesbians and feelings
Nobody is asking them to be, so you're fine. Hyperbole doesn't help anyone.
@@c0nd0rd4myt I'm asking them to be. reading comprehension.
@@MaterClaritas my bad. Sorry
Oh what I'd do for more walking simulators about lesbians and feelings
Play the last of us 2
I used to be one of the idiots who hate her for her progressive opinions. One huge reason why I regret my conservative phase. I feel sorry for her and now I agree with some of her ideas.
it's better to have your redemption arc under the realization it's all manufactured outrage than to continue straying further into that sort of conspiracy stuff, good job on you for educating yourself out of it and it's understandable why people fell down this rabbit hole, considering youtube's kind of pipeline and Real People who have reasons behind their values being shown as caricatures who want to strip games rights away somehow
It's strange that you hated her for her progressive opinions when her opinions weren't progressive in the slightest. What could she have possibly said that you identified as progressive and thus hated her for saying?
@@YouthRightsRadical Don't discredit her, she was definately progressive!
@@johngr1747 Like I said, what is it that she's said that led you to think she was progressive?
Censoring video games was a conservative pasttime for decades before Anita dipped her toes into it and a big part of what triggered many gamers was her paroting, almost verbatum, the discredited conservative talking points of Jack Thompson from decades ago when he tried to censor video games.
@@YouthRightsRadical I don't think she wants games to be censored the way conservatives want. Her points as I recall was about inequality and the representation of women as opposed to that of men...
Thank you. I don't really have any opinion on Anita, except that she, along with everyone else, should not be treated with such unbridled rage. No one should be threatened for their opinions.
“feminism is hated because women are hated. anti-feminism is a direct expression of misogyny; it is the political defence of women hating.” - andrea dworkin
Not really. I love women, and it's because I love women I recognize the moral necessity of equality of the genders and equal accountability and responsibility and opportunity across all dimensions for both genders. Feminism is a direct affront to all of those things. Feminism is in itself rooted in deep misogyny.
It's a shame this video got tanked back in 2015 because of the hate wave against anita and other feminists. Its genuinely a good piece on internet culture and political psychology.
@black bear i am confused, why are rape and bomb threats a meme simply because others believe there should be good female characters?
@black bear Ignore Regis, he's a troll.
@@javierititin you are entitled to believe so, however, would you like to answer my queries?
@@regisglass5464 I love memes but having a death threat as a meme is just unacceptable.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 agreed
I think I might be an "Angry Jack". I can't tell if it is the current times in which I live, or because I am getting older, but I am definitely becoming more of an angry person. That said, I am angry about things that you didn't mention in the video. I am angry about the rise of the alt-right, white nationalists, identitarians, or whatever Neo-Nazis call themselves now. I am angry that there are mass shooting almost every day or two, and that they are frequently done by bigoted people. I am angry about double standards, even when they exist among my fellow progressives- perhaps even more angered by that, because I expect better from people who otherwise share my values. I am angry about corporate greed, and the destruction of the environment. I am angry about so many things, that I struggle to name them all here.
I was happier when I was younger, perhaps because I was unaware of these problems, but also because some of them weren't as bad as they are now. Part of me wishes that I could go back to that blissful ignorance, but most of me is glad that I am aware now, so that I able to fight for change in the ways that I can. It is still frustrating though, that I am now burdened by this awareness of just how f*cked up everything is currently. I wish that I could still be aware and fight for change, but be more Zen about it, and not let it effect my happiness.
You're not really "Angry Jack" in the sense that this video series is talking about. This is dealt with in the next video more specifically, but "Angry Jack" refers to something more than just someone who is angry.
It's about the specific sort of anger that comes from the mere *existence* of something that seems objectively to be rather innocuous. Anger about mass shootings is a valid response; it's causing the death of innocent human lives. Anger at rising fascism is a valid response; it promises to cause pain and strife if it gets too big. And so forth.
"Angry Jack" is primarily angry about something that should not provoke that *level* of anger that they give off. Someone making a video suggesting that videogames are part of cultural media and thus reflect the sexism in that culture should not invoke sufficient anger to yield *death threats.* That's "Angry Jack"'s kind of anger.
Congratulations; you are now black woman adjacent.
*begins a slow clap*
yes man. hey! everyone! get in here and give this man some likes and let's get this circle jerk going!
dude you are amazing. you're so virtuous. oh my god everyone is just so impressed, you have no idea.
I can relate.
@@trentonmcclintock7836
Way to fall down the asshole bottomless pit there
Even if you disagree with Anita, you must acknowledge that the hatred launched against her is childish and disproportionate.
Westernden This is exactly what I feel. Regardless of the opinions of the actual issues involved, the fact is that the reaction to Anita has been grossly out of proportion. You'd think she murdered a bunch of people with the hate she is receiving.
raithos From what I've seen, the recent racist mass murderers have been sent less hate than anita and her lot.
Westernden I'd say "childish and disproportionate" is putting it mildly. It's truly disgusting and ridiculously out of proportion.
King Abraham III fair. It's an opnion on video games, no reason to be terrorized.
Westernden
Yeah but you have to also agree it is strange that they lump reasonable critiques in with haters and call them women hating bigots when all they did was raise points she would never reply to. And that isn't uncommon knowing how much stupid crap she piles up in videos about games she probably never played longer than what required to find a female npc you can do bad stuff to. :)
Am I the only one with this weird, perverse hope that the OG angry Jack sees this video? I'm really just curious what'd happen.
Funnily enough, there’s a species of bird thy my family calls “angry jacks”. They’re actually Apostle birds, or Happy Jacks. It’s just that they seem not to much on the happy side.
Hence, angry jacks. This has nothing to do with the video, but I thought it amusing nonetheless.
I feel so embarrassed for listening to these trolls and agreeing with them. She didn't deserve this crap.
Same.
She did deserve it. SHe was a liar and a fraud. She told journalists that se was always a gamer and that she loves them but then a clip of her surfaces where she says that she isn't a gamer, have no interest in playing the, and that she had to do research for a project she had made regarding video games since she didn't know anything about them.
@noless but does that warrant all the death threats, whining, and digital bullying of innocent feminists, SJW's, and of her?
Because that is the real concern that should be taken seriously, manchildren throwing a dangerous derogatory fit over an inconsequential opinion just to justify their hatred
Same. I'm just glad I never sent a shitty message to someone, despite how involved with this garbage I was at the time.
You have no clue my dear. Nazi VS Nazi...
I have my issues with Anita and her arguments, but I absolutely agree that the sheer amount of vitriol shes received over the years has been grossly out of proportion.
Hey you are not alone with this opinion ^^
It's not just her, but people on all sides and even people like me, who like to listen to both sides, even if i have my very own opinions, for some stuff i'm more of a lefty, for other more of a right wing. The tribalism has been rampant this past decade, and it's stronger than ever right now.
All of this "you're a liberal or you're a alt right" is bullshit. There are middle points. Right has left things and vice versa
Hey, the bitch deserves all of it. Left wing nuttjobs gotta go.
Kyle Longjohn what she do to deserve death threats?
rewatching this video after being a hysterical gamergater now as a leftist and realizing how good it is
Alex Johnson same brother same
(Or sister?)
@Alex Johnson welcome home dude!!
This makes me ask... why aren’t their more videos detailing the truth about Gamergate?
@bla blahblah Can you expand on this please? What did she fail to deliver? And what "innumerable lies" did she commit?
Good to have you as a comrade
I watch this series at least once a year and every year it holds up. Despite wholeheartedly agreeing with his ideas I need a reminder every once in a while because it speaks to every new thing we are angry about.
Strange how Lindsay Ellis didn’t get nearly as much hate as Anita and they literally spoke about the same exact things
Anita is blamed for TLOU2.
That is actually a great point. Maybe it’s because Ellis was TheNostalgicChick and had a history with TheNostalgicCritic so people were more mature to Ellis’s criticism? I wonder if Ellis hadn’t had that background would she had received the exact amount of hate as Anita.
Because Lindsay Ellis unlike Sarkeesian has more knowledge about what she is talking about. Though not enough for me to go to Nebula TV and support Sarkeesian, since they are friends apparently. Basically problem is Anita Sarkeesian is alot like Donald Trump, they both have surface level of knowledge about what they talk about, Trump knows about business (or conning atleast) but knows zero about politics, just like Anita Sarkeesian knows about feminist activism but has zero knowledge about video games. But Lindsay Ellis LEGIT has geek knowledge on it so she knows from her perspective what she is talking about, heck i would say if you watch "top 11 dumbasses in distress" by Nostalgia Critic, that too is informative because again Nostalgia Critic knows his stuff
It may have been a sign of gaming's growing cultural legitimacy (along the genuinely thought-provoking an artistically sophisticated games that have been around pretty much since the inception of the medium), but the backlash sadly demonstrated the opposite when it comes to at least a vocal minority of gamers themselves.
So... I think, at least for me, that the issue I have with Anita compared with other feminist video essayists like Lindsey Ellis is that she's just not... intellectually honest enough.
Using Lindsey as the example, whenever she makes a mistake and misattributes a narrative device or idea, she typically corrects herself in some capacity, whether through tumblr, another video, twitter, or any of her blog posts. When she erroneously described certain aspects of the five act structure in one of her videos, she corrected herself later and admitted error, citing that it had literally been years since even needing to work with these ideas. This is fine, and demonstrates an openness to positive critique and a willingness to grow as a person.
Anita just seems to only ever double down on her mistakes. If someone calls out her errors, even in a positive critique, she doesn't adjust course or correct herself.
Does this mean she deserves the vitriol and death threats? Of course not. But I'm just describing why I'm angry with her.
I think why MOST people are angry with her is honestly just a format issue. She's demonstrably wrong about data points (and that's fine by itself) but she's formatted and pitches her body of work as an educational piece compared to the philosophical/opinion piece it actually is.
I don't always agree with Lindsey, but at least she shows more self-awareness and charisma than Anita ever did, and at least the former has supposedly studied film, so she can at least use that knowledge to support her critique.
@Becky C. this is an issue I've been talking about with a lot of bisexuals lately. It's great having more representation but when the representation we get quickly falls into cliches it just salts and reopens a wound they were in the process of healing.
This comment section is quite possibly the most beautiful swamp of irony I have ever seen.
you mine people praising this miss representation of Anita,s detractor,s then yes
what are you even trying to say
+Loveless He means "You [mean] praising this [misrepresentation] of Anita's detractors, then yes." His grammar is not poor enough to be unintelligible.
+Goobernational Congratulations on giving an example of exactly what bad moon meant by a "misrepresentation of Anita's detractors". Does Anita get death threats, yes, but do you know who else gets death threats, half the bloody internet. Everyone who has even a modicum of publicity on the internet will invariably have trolls sending shit like that to them hoping they will react (and boy does Anita react).
+Goobernational What if I disagree with Anita's points about gaming and call her out for outright lies and factual inaccuracies in the Tropes vs. Women series... but also condemn the assholes who send her death threats?
I recently posted your series to the documentaries subreddit... and... wow people can't read and *still* think "she's commin' fer our gaems" and completely miss the point. That's... sad, and I'm unsure how to counteract it.
DEY TERK ERR GEHHHMMMS!!!
What are you gonna expect from Reddit? That platform has a neckbeard side of things.
I still like Lindsay’s reviews a lot more. I just think she is an all around better critic than Anita and I feel like her videos are all around more informative. As a latinax Woman I can firmly say I prefer Lindsay over Anitia.
Very informative video here too! People need to give more valid criticism of her work rather than just labeling her. There are tones of critics I can think of but those are pushed aside for a fake narrative and she does not deserve to be harassed.
Me too
When it comes to video essays, IMO, it's Lindsey Ellis and everyone else.
I feel bad for the people who didn't get to enjoy TLOU2 because of their hatred for "non-standard" protagonists and went to review bomb the game without really playing the game.
It is such a nice game with deep and memorable characters tbh. Even the combat is enjoyable.
The chud conspiracy theory that Anita wrote or had anything to do with the game is stupidly hilarious.
The game was trash.
@@kylelongjohn837 you could always follow up with some elaboration to add weight to your statement.
@@kylelongjohn837 lol no
I disliked the fact that it had the great emphasis on combat feeling good, yet the big bad didn’t get murdered in a visual representation of letting go for the better, even though we sat back and killed all of the big bads friends. I dunno, message felt conflicting, good story tho. Not as good as the first but I did really enjoy the level design of it
This should be mandatory in schools. Heck, this whole channel should.
@Wilbur Whateley sounds better than capitalistic propaganda that we have everywhere.
Agreed. It helps develop critical thinking skills.
For example: if a man asks "is there sexism in videogames?" and the answer is a multitude of no's, but if a woman asks the same question and the response is an avalanche of rape threats, do you think there is sexism?
My hobby promotes violence against women, but rapists and murderers should run free in the street during a pandemic.
Also, as much as I enjoy fucking with law enforcement, I always find time for them.
I am Aspie I am a Dreaming voice actor and I am #NotYourShield.
@Wilbur Whateley Capitalism is successful economically but have tons of problems and I disagree on a lot of things with Marx and I don't think his version of Communism is obtainable nor do I think that history is just about oppression and class, but he dose have some good points.
And I disagree with the idea of low rank science and high rank science, certain subjects are just harder to research than others. And by the way - my main subject is biology and not sociology.
@Wilbur Whateley why do you think her pointing out sexism exists is marxist?
Fair point. Most of the internet is still misogynistic. The question is not how is Anita right or wrong but why are they so angry about her. Men who discuss similar topics (for example, Pop Culture Detective) do not get even a half of the same hatred.
it because is the media not propping him up
and there why are they so angry about her.
the same reason people don't like Jack thompson she makes the same arguments and bull shit claims
Because Pop Culture Detective scrubs any comments resembling disagreement. As it appears this channel does as well.
@@YogGroove It's been 3 days and your comment is still up. People tend to think because they don't see a ton of opposing arguments (or ones that match their own) that the channel or website must be deleting them. It's a concept typed out as long as controversial ideas have been presented on the internet. The lack of opposition doesn't mean censorship.
Are they as popular?
Is pop culture detective payed vast amounts of money and demanding outright censorship because of what offends them? No. These sorts of channels are still victim pandering garbage but not on the level of Anita Sarkeesian.
This is the video series that made me seriously re-think my social and political views. Thanks :)
GamerGate was an absolute mess of theoretically good intentions being instantly mangled and used as weapons by ambitious sociopaths. There were no winners in that disaster, certainly not the rest of us.
She made a lot of objectively wrong points too, which made it easier to latch onto her.
It's more subjectively wrong then objectively.
It's a pyrrhic victory essentially
I do remember being at “ground zero” for gamergate, and i can agree to this. Given that it was at the beginning for game journalling ethics; but over time it devolved from that to “women in games bad” mentality im ashamed to see associated with what used to be the cause.
@@MrTrombonebandgeek /v/ and 4chan as a whole really did go down the shitter huh? I wish everyone listened to the few saying /pol/ needed to leave. 4chan has always been a shithole but somehow its worse now.
I had no idea that the abuse levied at her was THAT explicit. Bloody hell, this is why 4chan needs to be fumigated.
I think a lot of people minimized the harassment. I think I did that just because the internet is such a nasty place.
Most of the "death threats" are hoaxed by Anita or her friends.
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During a U.N meeting she and her group of pathological liars attempted to abolish free speech using not only her completely fabricated tweets but also simply disagreeing with her should be a state offense. Anita is an insane Totalitarian sociopath who uses her victim-hood status as a tool to achieve her extremist ideologies
@@shea2111 If you want to believe that fictional video games which don't have any bigoted intentions are making people sexist is less insane than someone who attempted to repeal the fucking first amendment at a UN conference just may be using alt accounts to get sympathy then you can fuck right off.
@@OM-st6uz How do we know YOUR presentation of her "hoax" is credible anyways? Sure, sure my guy...
@@deedumeday518 Because if you're making alt accounts to send yourself death threats and then a few days later you're at a U.N meeting trying to censor the whole fucking internet what else could you be doing?
The "calls all men sexist violent bigots" " why do men harass me?" Meme really tells a lot about the people posting it
She didn't do that, can you post one instance, just *one* of her actually doing that? If she's done it publicly either online or off, it should be really easy to post a link to her doing it, right? But why do I feel like you aren't going to do that.
@@christopherlee9026 I think you might have completely missed what this guy is saying
@@saijacks3464 Ah, I think you might be right, sorry OP
Literally everyone who freaked the fuck out over Sarkessian were telling on themselves.
@@saijacks3464 I'm kinda glad Christopher missed the point. Generally shows the infighting one groups has and why this channel is absolute grifting nonsense. Waiting for the day this person gets exposed as a p3do, as all Feminist males do.
The meme at 6:41 is especially ironic, isn’t it?
Like, it’s trying to justify unjustifiable behavior by saying “she called us this. So to fight it, we’re gonna prove her right!”
If anyone wants to get depressed put the comments in "recents first".
Yikes.
Yeah, I have my critiques of Anita Sarkeesian's work, but only because I think she's generally implying the intents of game developers and assuming the effects on their audience.
This bullshit with people sending her death threats and saying they would rape her is simply wrong, and nowhere near the correct course of action to reasonably debunk these things.
I think this just proves the misoginy in the culture. Cause is not just her. A lot of actresses and have received the same treatment because of trivial "reasons". Like, i don''t like her character, she is "rude"(usually this means that she express their opinion about this treatment or about the media, that misoginist don't like) because of her apearance, things like that.
Yet actors and male celebrities general when do cuestionable and even ilegal things , people just forgive them, like "it was just a bad moment in their careers" or try to justify them.
@@kiriki4558 male actors and celebrities do equally questionable things and get the same backlash.
@@javierititin no they do not. Not even close
I do not agree with Anitas opinions or how she puts them out there, but there is absolutely no good reason to send her death threats or try to make her feel threatened.
How does this video have so many dislikes? The whole video was essentially 'Woman speaks on internet, men send death threats, that's bad, don't do that' and people don't like that messaging?
well the fact is a straw man and leys about people and their real arguments
@OnThe Oreo Yep, far more than women tbh.
That's not the entire video lol
I remember when I used to hate anita during my reactionary years. But then I grow out of that phase and realized that she is not really radical as mysognists make her to be. That was a dark time for me and I'm glad in finally out of it. I'm still dotn agree with anita about everything but I stopped thinking she was hitler incarnated.
@ryan jones yeah I guess.
In my experience I’ve found most of Anita’s hate club haven’t actually watched her videos at all. But rather have watched out of context clips from other dumb right wing UA-camrs. “She claimed overwatch doesn’t have diverse body types!” No. She said the marketing only showed the slim attractive ones. She actually gives the game itself credit for including the other character. Watch the vids yourself, in their entirety, with an open mind, then draw a conclusion.
The weird thing is that there IS a lot of parallels between geek culture and oppressed minority groups, especially ones like homosexuality where you can sometimes/sorta hide being a part of it and you worry about being "outed". It's not (usually) to the same scale but if you're in middle or high school it can feel/be just as bad.
I say weird thing because most of that is now gone with geek things being openly accepted before most of these people online were old enough to experience it. Also that taste of oppression should lead them to be more empathetic about it but instead they use it as an excuse.
There is a quote from Rich Burlew's character Durkon Thundershield,"...Most people talk about the seductive power of evil but I think good is just as slippery a slope. Doing good, even seeing other people do good, feels good. Eventually that feeling gets to you. Sometimes i think the only reason more evil folks dont succumb to it is that it feels bad to realize how bad you've been. Most would rather pretend to feel nothing than to experience that pain."
Speaking as a former angry bullied kid, empathy requires a level of self reflection, but that requires a level or self honesty as well which can be painful to rationalize with the idea that you are a "good person," if what you were doing wasnt something a "good person" would do. Rather than admit they made a mistake and take the time to acknowledge the changes that should be made they'd rather make the person expressing concern out to be the "bad guy" and make them feel bad for saying anything. Denial leading to deflection leading demonization, leading to call for the destruction of the apparent foe... all for pointing out how its kind of unfortunate that women are largely considered narratively expendable in a large chunk of gaming media, relegated to prizes to be won, or damsels to be saved. Which in itself can be a further deconstructed part of gamer psychology on the issue but then this is already too long lol
i like how anita wasn't really that much of a big deal before some 4chan dwellers tried to take her down, those guys forgot one very basic law of exposure
Saw people try to blame her for The Last of Us Part 2 lol
Lol me too. People just need to acept that the culture Is changing (and for the best) and it Is being reflected in media products.
@@kiriki4558 the same guys that said "If you don't like it, make your own" are the same dudes crying that people are actually going out and making their own shit
@@echo12345ish yeah, it's just a never-ending search of excuses to reject diversity.
@@echo12345ish aka bigots
@@kiriki4558 Please say sike.
Jack looks like Kamoshida from Persona 5
I kept hearing people railing against her and I never knew what the huge deal with her was. So I decided to eventually just watch her "Tropes" series on video games and I found myself agreeing with pretty much everything she said. It's kind of crazy to me how much she's become vilified. Also, as a fellow Armenian it's really troubling to see her the target of such racist rhetoric when we're classified as "white" by the U.S. Census and pretty much every other questionnaire out there about race.
"and I found myself agreeing with pretty much everything she said."
So you haven't played the games she criticizes then?
@@MGsubbie What does this have to do with anything?
@@Steve-yn3cs Everything. Almost every criticism she has against individual games is factually completely incorrect. So the only way to agree with her is to not have played those games.
@@MGsubbie So are you basically denying the problematic tropes that have existed in videogames for a long time? Or are you unaware that regardless of Sarkessian's critiques, that there are problematic tropes of representation of women in videogames that need to be addressed? Like the Damsel in Distress? And Female Oversexualization?
@@MGsubbie I've played Far Cry 3, and her criticism of the game is legit. Especially with the White Savior narrative and the Female exoticism fantasy trope.
All her criticisms may not be accurate, that doesn't mean what she's saying is completely wrong, especially about women in videogames and the way they're represented. There's no denying that.
I disagree with her big time.
But I am against harrassing her. She can have her opinion and I'll have mine.
Abhrajyoti Pal good job, you are not insane
At least you did some respect.
Also comment sections on controversial topics in 2019 have more "oh no this comment section is bad" comments then there are actual bad comments
2019 is a different time and im so happy
The voting system working as intended, I guess. :P
Deleted, I'd say.
Its funny to see how the like/dislike ratio improves over the series. Almost like people who disagree with you dont have the courage to listen to more than 1/6 of your point.
This is actually really sad, because i actually think most of them would agree with a lot you say in 3-6.
Its not about courage. Its the same reason i dont have to listen to nazi speeches. I get the point and because of the strong bias i dont think i can get anything of worth out of it. At least thats how i see it.
@@tostupidforname strong bias of Innuendo Studios for speaking about the situation (not defending) this woman? why would you compare nazis to this, hell.
@@grimmjowjeaguerjaquez5065 Im bringing up nazis because they are a clear example. Whats wrong with that? Im not saying she is a nazi just that there is nothing of value here for me so ofc im not going to watch the whole series .Like nazi speeches.
This is something i dont understand. Saying "Your grades are worse/better than hitlers" doesnt compare the person to hitler in any other way than grades.
4chan: uses jet contrails and stars to figure out an obscure location of a flag
Also 4chan:
For me, I didn't like her because she often blatantly lied in her videos, or misrepresented things a lot of the time. All you have to do is look at her critique of Hitman where she shows the player beating the crap out of a stripper in the dressing room and dumping her body into a dumpster. That mission in that game did not include the objective of beating up strippers. In fact, most people don't even go into the room where the strippers are, it's just not necessary, and even if you do, why would you beat the crap out of one when you actually lose points for doing so? It's not the only case, but it was one of the major ones that stood out to me.
She actually rebuts this idea, largely that you can completely ignore this metric and continue playing the game uninterrupted.
It's a rather obtuse defense of the content, pretending that people won't go do things they aren't supposed to do because it's more fun.
You're not supposed to use the prostitutes in GTA, and also not supposed to run over them to get your money back, but that and any other actions to get your Wanted score to go up is not only fun, but a major draw for the franchise.
Simcity let you deliberately create disasters, which aren't supposed to happen, in order to destroy your own creation, the way knocking down your block castle as a kid can be just as fun as it was to build.
Maybe it's just me, having come from the NES and SNES era, that the idea of being punished is just losing abstract points is laughable.
What's this? A woman doesn't like the status quo? Attack and threaten her until she goes back into her place as an opinionless (unless it supports me) sex, cleaning, and food maker/give her. What do you mean we're proving her point? Women aren't supposed to dislike what men do.
Whats this? A woman saying dumb shit online, kicking a beehive of young men and teens and then whining when she gets stung?
@@Shad0wack I don't think comparing men to an annoying and painful insect was the analogy you wanted.
@@Silverwind87 Suits me fine. Bees are an extremely useful and important insect.
@@Shad0wack I see, so it's still not accurate.
@@Silverwind87 Lmao ok hon
If people can go to jail for DDOS attacks against the church of Sci ent olo gee, has anyone done even been charged for this?
I really enjoyed this video. I was one of the people who brought into it all at the time. Im so glad that i am no longer buy into that logic. Distancing myself as far away from it as I can
you're an idiot if your opinion can be skewed this easily. He didn't bring up any counter points to the points made against Anita just labelled everyone angry as cluelessly angry for no reason essentially saying there must be no reason to be angry at her. She wasn't a gamer before she wanted to enhance her career as a feminist and make a shit tone of money wrongfully bashing games. If you remember she literally played hit man by just going up to strippers and killing them and then saying that the game endorses killing women and so is bigoted. This is like an extremist Christian mum who wants to ban GTA cause you go around shooting people, she is the embodiment of the nagging Christian parent within the games community and she literally stated she was never into videogames before the fact.
Glad you realized how ridiculous it was. But some people found someone to get everyone angry at and it made them a whole lot of money. Outrage sells, unfortunately for everyone else.
@@KECOYA Even if Anita was 100% wrong, this video was mainly about how awful people treated her, which was an objective truth.
I think Anita does deserve to be criticized. She has talked out her ass and has lied about a lot of games. But she did not deserve the death threats or all the other shit.
She deserves to be criticized for being a genuinely shitty content creator and person. But no one deserves to be raped or killed for the content they make or the opinions they have.
I'm not an anti-feminist, and I know women like Anita don't speak for all of them. We should not judge entire groups because they have extremists who make them look horrible.
I don’t agree with Anita on a lot of things but what happened to her was completely unjustifiable. It doesn’t matter how many lukewarm takes someone has, they don’t deserve this level of harassment.
I honestly think that all this anger and Vitriol honestly prevents any reasonable discussions on Anita's points. She is treated like such a supervillain to Gamers, with endless ammounts of conspiracy theories and terrible misrepresentations of her videos along with the endless sea of ridiculously innacurate critique, it makes a legitimate discussion of her points nearly impossible.
From people like Sargon of Akkad who suggest she's a professional victim for smiling on camera in a news report about her harassment, to people like Davis Aurnie who are actually being dishonest about production costs for his psuedo-documentary, people can get very profitable by telling the angry abusers and entitled cishet white male gamers exactly what they want to hear.
Angry Jack is angry for a reason. There is also a very good reason that most females aren't Angry Jackies.
The difference is in their expected and society-backed coping mechanisms.
Females (when hurt, harrassed, or worse) will usually if not immediately TELL SOMEONE what happened, how it makes them feel, and they ask the person they tell "what should I do now?" This is a HEALTHY way to cope with pain caused by loved ones and strangers. It helps them to get an UNBIASED PERSPECTIVE on what actions the female needs to take in order to HEAL and, if lucky, successfully prosecute the offender if they acted illegally.
Males DON'T LIKE AND DON'T WANT to talk about uncomfortable or potentially ABUSIVE THINGS that are happening TO THEM. It is really sad, because by refusing to TALK the men are MAKING THEMSELVES MORE LIKELY to COMMIT SUICIDE SUCCESSFULLY. If men were FORCED to TALK IT OUT, they would RESENT the person that forced them; but they would ultimately be HEALTHIER and MASSIVELY DECREASE their LIKELIHOOD to even THINK ABOUT HURTING THEMSELVES.
The PROBLEM is that society LOVES to NOT believe most female AND MALE victims and will in fact BLAME THEM for the abuse or violence they suffered. The problem is that men blame other MEN AND WOMEN for being victimized by another man and convince by-standing women not to believe other men and women because HE/SHE SHOULD HAVE EXPECTED the THREAT of OTHER MEN and s/he should NOT EXPECT the same FREEDOMS that MEN HAVE. Men also LOVE the idea that good women don't wander at night UNLESS THEY ARE WHORES. Too bad the truth is that women are BUSY WORKING and IMPROVING themselves and WOMEN AND MEN DESERVE the RIGHT to EXPECT that both other MEN & WOMEN will help a victim REGARDLESS if s/he COULD have been more prepared to not get victimized.
How do I know all this and where are all my facts? Simple. I have a BACHELOR in PSYCHOLOGY with a Concentration in BIOLOGY and I am a PROFESSIONAL in the PSYCHOLOGICAL FIELD. All of my facts are from more than 20 different peer-reviewed TEXTBOOKS that are in their 3rd or 4th editions with regards to HEALTHY COPING MECHANISMS when helps others overcome mental illness and stress. I was TESTED and REQUIRED to get MORE THAN 80% of my exams CORRECTLY to PASS and I was on the DEAN'S LIST for a FULL YEAR in my THIRD YEAR of University. To be on the DEAN'S LIST my grades had to be in the TOP TEN PERCENT and this was DURING THE YEAR when COMPETITION IS AT IT'S HIGHEST; because all the University Dropouts are gone and ONLY the REAL UNIVERSITY GRADUATES are still THERE.
So yes, Angry Jack's are REAL and THEY HURT OUR SOCIETY by being ALLOWED to keep their "INNOCENCE" and CLAIM "IGNORANCE." So I say this to everyone and beg everyone to WAKE THEM THE FUCK UP BECAUSE NOBODY HAS TIME TO DEAL WITH THEIR DUMB "BLINDERS ON ALWAYS" LA-LA-LAND THEY LIVE IN!
WHITE MEN ARE IN POWER AND THEY ARE PURPOSELY ALLOWING THEMSELVES TO BE TRAINED, TRICKED, MENTORED, AND BRAINWASHED INTO THINKING FEMINISM IS THE ENEMY. REALITY CHECK, STUPID YOU ARE THE REASON FOR YOUR OWN OPPRESSION!
Seek professional help
@@notnamed9390 You said it way better than I ever could
Why is everyone talking about Sarkeesian's critics? Of course you have a right to share an opinion, but if this woman faced this much shit she's already on guard for more. That's why she probably fends off any criticism that seems to target her aggressively, because she expects it to become something much worse.
It begins.
it's such a relief that a lot of the anti Sarkeesian weirdos (I personally had a brush with this, but never REALLY understood the outrage) have grown up and realized how horrible and embarrassing they were being
And as the religious right demonstrates, everyone loves a good conversion story.
"2009 wasn't that long ago" me checks the video release date "2015" WAIT 2015 WAS 8 YEARS AGO?!?!?
Oh yes. I remember when Sarkeesian single handledly ruined videogames back in 2012. Now it's 2018 and you can't find any white male protagonist in any videogame, not even one. Do you remember when Nintendo released a video where Princess Peach publicly executed Mario as a symbol of war against men that ended with no-male working in the videogame industry back in 2016?. Yeah, these were rough times for men...
Since they made Geralt a black lesbian identifying as a zebra, nothing is the same anymore. How long will the terrible oppression of white male continue ?
@@TheFiresloth Until Gears of War 6 when they stop making your player character chainsaw his own balls for 5 hours and settle for 3.
Fun fact: cut off anyone who still says feminazi unironically
How is that a fun fact? Or hell, even make sense? Are libtards this dumb now? Damn.
@@kevine9474 cut off anyone who still says libtard unironically
it's been a decade and weirdos are _still_ seething over this lady. go outside, make friends, form a relationship with another actual human being.
How about these feminists leave people to their hobbies and stop trying to come into something they've had absolutely NO INTEREST IN TO BEGIN WITH until it became more popular rearranging the rules.
touch grass, weenie
@@mre1561I’m a gamer, hardcore rpg guy, and I’m not gonna lie man, these feminists will not leave you alone, because the world will not leave them alone. Sharia law, the death threats to Zoe Quinn and Anita, and how feminists are scapegoated, they will exist until we die.
@@mre1561BROOOO seek fucking help, you are not mentally well. Go to a doctor, see a therapist, fucking anything. This behavior you're exhibiting is NOT normal, healthy, or okay. There is something wrong with you mentally.
the amount of dislikes on these videos is shameful
yes it to low
@Joe Average I don't think it's alt-right brigading. This UA-cam after all, not Reddit.
The dislikes probably came from people who found the random video through chance and disagreed with the contents of the video.
"I believe censorship of all kinds are bad! If you shut down someone from speaking, you're just trying to censor the truth!"
*5 seconds later*
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN GAMERS HATE WOMEN!? QUICKLY, DDOS HER WEBSITE AND VANDALIZE HER UA-cam CHANNEL! NO ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HEAR THIS!!!!
WHAT? IRONY?! WHAT'S THAT?!"
... What kind of weirdos do this and even so, how many of them are like this compared to a whole?
I love the video, and pretty much all your content, but have you ever considered that Jack was angry because a bunch of kids were gawking and pointing at him saying "Dude! He looks like Colin!"
Watching this from 2018 is surreal.
I can provide an answer. Downward economic pressure. We live in a society that is highly stratified into hierarchies of wealth. For a couple of generations there has been uoward economic mobility for a large swath of (mostly) white people (what we generally call the middle class today).
However that has changed recently. Gen x is the first of generation of white middle class people to face downward economic pressure since 1929. The group you are talking to primarily is this generation, they are more economically disadvantaged then their parents, they work longer hours for less pay than their parents and vastly fewer will ever own a home than their parents. And they know it. This is why they are angry.
Watched your video. Enjoyed your video. Went to the comments section. Wished i had not gone to the comments section
trakrekkid why did you go to the comments? Your sensibilities are to fragile look for a dissenting opinion.
Because some comments disagree with the video you like it makes you regret reading the comments
You're really just a sheep
@@VixxKong2 Ooooo and an NPC! Or a robot? Or soulless? It's always right wing people saying the same stuff over and over again about how leftists are NPCs, but they are totally not NPCs
@@OzCroc
Anyone who mindlessly repeat things without thinking deeper is an NPC. Same thing with people who can't deal with opposition and different opinions.
If someone else's argument is enough to break your will and you have nothing to respond until your "leaders" tell you what to respond, than you're an NPC.
Whatever the political party you're in, if that's how you behave, you're a sheep.
@@VixxKong2 Well I guess I'm not that then because I like to do my own research to form own opinions, and I hate idolization. But I don't like the term NPC for either side because it's dehumanizing. Even if I disagree with someone, I know they are still probably complex and nice human beings, and I feel like I deserve that same understanding.
I like this art and presentation style. It doesn't have squigglevision but it still reminds of Home Movies and Science Court's style.
InB4 you get called a SJW as a counter argument.
Wow! The flashing at the start is wild. This was recommended to me but if they are all like this... eeek. MY EYES!!
Seeing Ian Miles Cheong's twitter feed show up in a video from 2015 is an absolute trip
You could probably write a whole book about that dude's radicalisation
Or rather his re-radicalization, since he kinda started out far right then went to something more sane, before ping-ponging back to the far right stuff
Time to dust this off and start sharing it places again.
I personally disagree with a lot of the points that Anita Sarkeesian makes, and think that there are better arguments she could be making, while giving credit where credit is due, but I would never even dream of sending any hate, threats, harassment, etc. her way. She hasn't actually done anything to deserve that, even if I think she's wrong about some things.
Holy wow. I have seen some of your other videos but this...This is something else. You are awesome, and I thank you deeply for the amazing content. Keep it up.
You can dislike Anita Sarkeesian without hating her. I was overall very disappointed in her work. I started with her videos about games, long after the project was funded. She made some excellent points that really impressed me. For example, she pointed out in her Ms. Pac Man episode how, in Thomas Was Alone, the character of Clare was a blue square as opposed to a pink shape. She also credited the ending of the first Monkey Island game as putting the female NPC Elaine Marley, in a position where she was not objectified. I think it was in the damsel in distress episode. Most of her comments ewer about the types of games I don't play, mostly action adventure. She explained how the camera is always positioned in such a way to objectify women in third-person games. More importantly (even though I don't play those games, I was impressed by that point), how most female characters were just a male character reskinned. She showed the female avater watching a female stripper in game I've never played. I think a Mass Effect.
I think my disappointment came when I started getting into her comments about TV. She seemed outraged at how pregnancy was exploited in science fiction, even though it's a difficult moment for women. She took examples from Star Trek. First of all, each Star Trek series was trying to make 22 episodes a year and they were using any concept they could think of. Also, Star Trek tends to be an allegory of real problems. Would avoiding that problem been better? In general she seems to consider, with no justification whatsoever, that ideas that most likely came out of necessity actually came out of malice. The last video I saw with her was her first video about the Thirteenth Doctor in Doctor Who, the one played by Jodie Whittaker. (I personally was braced for the worst because I had mostly seen her in roles where she was a weeping housewife and I was blown away by her as the Doctor. Unfortunately, her showrunner, Chris Chibnall, did, according to me, an awful job with both of his seasons. It was a terrible waste of her incredible performance.) Sarkeesian criticized the episode that portrayed Rosa Parks as a topic that was out of bounds for British producers. The Doctor travels through time and space, met Nixon a couple of years earlier, lost track of Amy in New York, but Rosa Parks was, according to Sarkeesian, an forbidden topic. Also, she complained about American characters portrayed by British actors. This confirmed my impression that her opinions are overall pretty biased and not, or maybe no longer, that constructive. While her observations were undeniably astute, she definitely seemed to add motivations to those observations that came out of nowhere. I'm not a fan. That being said, she clearly is a great contribution to her field and other people may have a better opinion of her work that I do. (Does this make me a hater?)
bigot
almost 5 thousand dislikes for the introduction. speechless
Bruh, I was literally thinking last night in shower how I used to hate Anita Sarkeesian but now admire her work and UA-cam just recommended this to me today. What. The. Fuck.
what do you admire her work?
For the record: I consider myself a gamer, and I do not agree with everything in Sarkeesian's trope vs women in video games series. She oversimplified some things and interpreted others in a particularly ungenerous manner.
But that's now why I'm commenting. I'm commenting to point out that THIS IS OKAY.
Video games are literature. She was applying literary criticism on literary works. I don't have to agree with everything she's saying to see that what's she's doing is perfectly valid. The outrage surrounding Sarkeesian was absolutely bananas and unnecessary.