FOH Paladin is Better than Hammerdin? - Diablo 2 Resurrected
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Phil a comment, regarding skills and setup. This is from playing solo HC (on a starter char) my go to is start holy fire, then at act 2 NM respec to hammers. keep this to complete the game (kill hell baal). this setup allows for ultra smooth fast leveling from act 1, and fast baal farm and especially cows to get spirit bases for weapon and shield. at act 2 NM the dps and amount of immunes goes up so at this point you just wanna progress fast, and then xp farm at NM baal. the hammerdin is safest (and minion necro) to progress fast thrue rest of game. at completing game you respec to FOH, and then can farm certain areas fast, CS and PIT are ultra good. but other areas are great and you run Terror zones where there is areas you like. Arcane santuary, flayer jungle etc. for auras i use salvation to get massive res. meaning you can forgo res on gear and get mf (litterly max it). My go to item if i find it is guardian angle. with putting points into holy shield and res ligthning your litterly immune to any type of element. for the HC experince high max res, cap block, and stack magic and life charms you will be rocking with basic gear 7k armor, 1600+ hp 90-90-95 res on a ultra basic starter char. at around 92 you can respec or make another char but you completed getting self found from scratch a lot of good gear, some runes and a paladin to correct lvl for respeccing for smiter for thoes ubers (HC you dont want hybrid build)
I went with a blend of FOH and Hammers. I maxed Holy Bolt and FOH and then maxed Hammers and Vigor. The rest I got Holy Shield and the rest of Concentration so I get boost for Hammer but also my merc would hit harder as well. I am able to solo everything quickly. Coming into a pack I throw a FOH down, and then I tele in and drop hammers and FOH as soon as I can. Holy bolt for bosses and it cuts through everything.
I'm sitting here farming the Pit with my FoH pally.
Leveling - this goes to the Holy Bolt pally, you can get easily through A1 Cat-Andy with holy bolt. A2 has some animal monsters but your new prayer merc will take them out. A3 is almost entirely demons as well as A4. By the time you get to A5 you have already sunk some pts into FoH.
Survivability - FoH. You don't have any one aura you need to run for a FoH pally. You can run Sanctuary just fine once you hit Hell and have negative resists. You don't need to run Conviction to get the power out of your attacks.
I'd give Hammers the power build as it scales better at P8 but FoH is the survivability build. I also just like it more that Hammers.
thanks for the updates. I've came back to D2R after selling my preordered shitty D4 and came to love it all over again. Ive been trying to farm a hardcore char to 99 for my PS trophie and been failing but enlightened me to give FOH pally a go. Cheers mate keep the vids up!
As soon as they fixed / updated FoH (making projectiles pierce as well as hit demons) I rolled a FoH / smite hybrid. One of the most fun builds I played since 2000. Progressed through the entire game on hardcore with no respecs, maxed out FoH, holy bolt, holy shield, fanaticism and the rest is going into smite itself. For any non-demons that you encounter and want to kill you switch into fast crushing blow weapon (such as Black RW) with max fanaticism that the merc also enjoys. For ubers all you need to do is swap out a couple of items and you're ready to roll.
A good early setup is spirit/spirit for foh, using level 1 redemption aura and switching into black / spirit with smite and max fanaticism when needed.
For ubers you change items like shako, viper, trangs gloves and war travs into g-face, treachery, draculs and goblins / gore riders.
Is there a big difference if you max our Smite or not so much?
@@goshu7009 It's quite a bit, but you could get away with just putting 1 hard point into it. 95% of the job is being done by crushing blow, after which flat damage helps a lot to get the kill fast. Otherwise it can be a long struggle. If you slap a grief phase blade in your main hand, 1 hard skill in smite is plenty, however starting out those points help out. I'd still go with fanaticism first as it benefits both the damage and attack speed as well as your mercenary.
Thanks. I just got LO rune for my Grief, so :) .... on the way :) @@zxql_
Solid breakdown! Most try hards like to run chaos and tz’s players 8 and hammers are far superior for it. FOH is a really fun play style and looks awesome! It just seriously lacks damage at high players count.
I tried Fohdin for the first time this last ladder season. I respec'd to a hammerdin for farming bosses, but then I regretted it pretty quickly. The Fohdin is a lot more fun to play on imo even though hammerdin is best for killing mobs overall.
paladin or knight is usually the most popular class to play in almost every game. lol
Hell yeah! this is my next build in offline(FOH-Smitter), just waiting for some more gear to be found! Great Video Phil
What gear? Spirit Sword and Shield gets you to Hell Andariel farming eyes closed.
My next Paladin build will be one with Vengeance and its resistance synergies. I'm not sure if I want Salvation or Conviction to be my last of the maxed skills, though against uber Mephisto, Conviction is probably the way to go.
Hammered it'll do the same thing except for not giving you those squishy problems making it better. Or more powerful anyway
its very bad and weak build !
I need to make one of these someday. I decided to go Dragondin instead and love it to death, allows me to power level folks pretty easy even through hell because I found a decent fire sunder, but this is such a cool looking build.
Firedin?
Yo look into the foh dragondin hybrid build by macroboiboi
@@Michaelyitianwang It is a great build and I have indeed watched it, but I went more the zealot route instead, where I focus on bashing the bigger guys and the smaller ones get taken out by tick damage, which is my favorite style. Thanks for the info though, was fun to watch the video again!
This is my favorite build. Despite it being mostly limited to farming areas that are mostly or entirely demon/undead, which is most areas, I do think you can have flexibility with the extra skill points for auras. If you're wise enough to put a skill point into meditation, you can dump that crappy Insight merc for extremely effective offensive merc builds.
Dude love my barb hits like a truck and I can shoot though him to heal him and kill the boss. Like the holy bolt smiter with principle.
You run Pits with FoH as early as you get to it in Hell.
Trav and pits are your bread and butter until you get to chaos sanctuary. Arcane isn't too bad either tbh
@@OLONOODLEsolo running hell chaos at level 45 felt hilarious the first time I ran a fohdin
Bro, FoH is better p1, but hammerdin is way better p8,
Facts.
I'm gonna call BS, My Paladin FOH only plays p7-8 depending on the area like Baal's chamber and those damn ghosts that one shot lightening your ass in groups I'll play P5-7ish.
But other then that I'm mostly on P8, 7 if I'm having bad runs, Hammers on the other hand I feel caps out around P5-6 for most people simply because you're stationary at certain angles
Foh trash
So FoH until you can afford enigma then swap to hammers. Got ya.
Excellent 1 sentence breakdown! Also most try hards are running chaos and tz’s at p/8 so hammers kinda win lol
Holybolt/FoH pally is super fun.
Quick question. Is sunder charm any good for FoH pally? Does it add anything on top of conviction aura or not needed at all?
No need. Your main damage is not lightning and there are no immunes to holy bolt among undead and demons
neither hammers or FOH need a sunder charm.
For chaos run, FoH; everything else, Hammerdin
I've ever only had hammerdin and smiter...for d2r I had hammer and eventually dragondin...so much fun
How does it looks like on a budget? I can't start with enigma and stuff in a fresh season.
Single player offline HC player here. Already have a char which can do everything at P3 - summoner necro but he is not very fast at some areas at higher player count. Chose FoH for cs, pits, travincal, arcane sanctuary, countes etc. at P7/P8. EQ - shako, hoto, enigma, trang gloves, mara, arahnid mesh, spirit in 45 sacred rondage (optimal would be in sacred targe but not huge difference), 1 ring with 10 fcr + fire resist and other resist/mana/life if possible, 1 ring depending on situation (travincal and cs - dwarf star), boots of your choise (war traveler is mine). Skills: 20 into holy bolt, fist of heavens, holy shield, defiance and the resit into redemption. Stats around 3.2 - 3.5 k hp after B.O. ; 125 faster cast rate, 20 k defense (around 30k with defiance, 75 % block chance, all resistance overcap by around 70-80 and are maxed even after enemy conviction or lower curse). Mercenary EQ: kira, the reaper's toll, guardian angel with 1 or 2 ral rune for max fire even after enemy conviction. Fast killing speed, not as fast but a lot safer then a hammerdin. Travincal is around 60 runs per hour at p7.
I switched hybrid FoH/hammerdin for farming and it’s amazing
This is the way
Having tried both, I preferEd the hammerdin overall.
And that’s even with having other characters who could farm the lockout content for FOH
I max out everything your older build says including shield...then I got fana aura and split rest between that and smite... with 1 point in redemption im still at 86 chance and I can do ubers in budget gear
Physical lightning damage Phil 😂 really buddy
Playing a Dragondin/fohdin. Expensive build but alot of fun.
I feel like I don’t have to run max block when I play Fohdin. For hammerdin max block is a must have.
correct. FoH dont even need Holy Shield :P Since you play it most of the time on Redemption aura :P
haven't seen a rabies druid yet on any channel but by far the most dmg and fun to play thanks to the poison creeper glitch.
Fury/rabi old pvp pvm build
Holy bolt leveling works fine because even if you are fighting animals your merc will kill them and you will be healing him the whole time.
For Ladder resets in D2R:
#1 Make Blizzard Sorceress and find cold sunder to mf almost anywhere on Players 1
#2 Make Javazon for cows
#3 Use the two characters above to fund a Mosaic Assassin, then use Mosaic when you have all the gear.
Once you have the Blizz and Javazon, it probably will not take long to find stuff to trade for the runes required to make Enigma and Mosaics
Came back to this game recently and made a hammerdin, not enjoying it at all, it is not fun.
Now fist of heavens, holyshock, and smite or zeal combo would be quite fun I think.
fun fact for pvpers = FOH / charge/smite pally is god tier in pvp, will win 99% of all players in game every time. a few select sets can possibly counter it but getting the 1% of poeple with the correct gear to counter smite / FOH resits on a single toon is pretty much you will never see.
Needing enigma to make a build viable isn’t a small difference to one build, it’s massive lol
hey for a fun video suggestion try 1 time, do a PVP MERC video, find some players ask em to break out their best mercs, then pvp them. rules no charcater buffs only pure MERC duals see what mercs win. the players just move to help position their mercs so they engage the other merc vs not hitting players. only tricky part is finding honest players to do this, many try to cheat but sticking on massive lower resits charms and facet jewels on them while moving their merc in for the kill. which buffs the mercs unseen, which would be cheating as duel is for Merc vs Merc only, No player assistance or buffs allowed of any kind.
Friend of mine way back in the day played a foh pally for pk. He usually 1 shot almost everyone. Stacked lightning facets n jus destroyed ppl lol. Until someone stacked light res 😄
Depending on the area but ,p5-8 hammers, p1-3 foh, im sure a bis +45 foh might do good at p7 /p8 ,but whatever
I play FoH/Smite Hybrid with a FoH CTA and Grief + upped Zaka for Smite extra for Ubers. I won`t regret it^^
will it be too late to start D2? inever play i only played D3, may i know hows the season works please? is it worth to start playing for now?
Never too late
Ever since i tried Phoenix on my hdin ive never gone back. Unless im running 125 fcr ofc. The survivability phoenix offers is hands down better than any other shield. I still hit 13_14k hams at the lowest end and 75fcr is just as easy. Try it
I feel like something is weird when I cast Foh.
Its like the animation is very long and I cant exactly spam it.
Will even more fcr help that clunky feeling when casting Foh?
Been doing this since 3 seasons ago… it has been perfected now… 😎
how do you level up?
With enigma, hammerdin. Without, foh. Foh feels great if you are fighting strictly undead or demons but like you mentioned when you mix some beasts in there it feels like crap
So, FoH-er has issues with the ancients, Hammerdin has issues with second wave of Baal minions. Other than that, just go and skip those beasts and cows. Also those narrow bug tunnels (where you get a horadric staff) are an issue for both of them, since there are no demons/undead there and hammers don't work well in such a closed space.
I was thinking of making a paladin with FoH for demons and Sacrifice/Fanaticism for beasts.
My boi! you should've showed them on baal runs. Also, did you just ignore a Fal rune? that hurt my feelings
On p1 of course you can not really tell the difference between these two builds, try p8 chaos runs instead :)
FOH feels faster in chaos than hammerdin
Without enigma 100%. With enigma, fohdin wins at lower pcount, but hdin still out damages it at around p5. Made a fohdin every season so far to at least to run trav and i love it
Just created a Paladin.. Let's hear it, what should I do?
Been using the FOH Paladin for quite a while. Nothing melts through the chaos sanctuary better than FOH Paladin! Everything there is demon or undead and the FOH and Holy Bolt deal tons of damage to each class. Monsters are the only ones that get away from FOH and Holy Bolt. For groups of enemies, FOH melts right through them. For single enemies, better to switch to holy bolt and bring them down. Diablo is super easy with Holy Bolt. Also, position yourself so your merc is between you and the enemy you're going after and you'll heal your merc while dealing damage to the enemy since holy bolt heals allies and deals damage to enemies while penetrating through both allies and enemies.
I carried myself all the way through because you have to out a point into zeal and other things anyway. The spells are waaaay strong enough to kill everything without sacrificing gear for skills. Make a melee build with that for the main damage.
Act 2 hell really ruins FOHdin or anywhere you find a lot of nonundead/demons
I respectfully disagree, although Hdin takes more knowledge and practice as far as placement of character for hammers to hit. So to new D2R players I can see it being better. But I am biased as an old skool LLD player, cant have enigma at lvl 30 😅
I have to add a point to FoH. Because you don’t have to keep up Concentration for extra damage, you can use any utility aura you want. I usually rotate Redemption (you will literally never die) and Conviction (for the rare occasion you have to kill something with the thunderbolt). Being able to keep up redemption means you’ll also never run out of mana. No need for Insight or Infinity Merc, so you can go to town with a melee homie that handles all the stuff FoH doesn’t touch.
Never got FOH to work om p8 hammers p8 is a breeze.
FoH pal is a goat in his locations. But when we talking about actual playthrough there are some moments when he kinda sucks. Ancients for example. Had a lot of struggle with them on my single player. But it's definitely my favorite farming build
thats where the smiter hybrid shines. Smite clears bosses way faster, and handles ancients etc. My Foh-smiter can do baal runs way way easier than hammerdins, even chaos. - FOH-Smiter is by far better then pure hammers or pure FOH
@stephenlucerne1052 yeah, had exactly same thoughts about making that hybrid
@@stephenlucerne1052 but don't you need like crushing blow while levleing for it to work? i dont always get crushing blow while leveling... especailly in like A5 normal....with lots of animal
@@num2007 you gotta max out holy bolt and FOH first when levelling. Holy bolt will take you through normal and nightmare pretty easily, as the damage against bosses (who are all demons) is actually decent. Just skip mobs that you cant holy bolt. then in nightmare you'll want to make black in a 3os flail, or strength in a 2os flail for CB. But by lvl 50 you should have maxed HB and FOH, the smite build becomes more useful in hell
oh and try to get FCR, helps shoot bolts faster
Sweet Phil are you Italian ?
Dems fighten words lol
Lord De Seis is a cakewalk with hdin; it's the Infector of Souls that is a problem.
Aim at his minions. Shift to Holy Bolt if he is the last one standing. Piece of cake :)
Or you could just make a mage XD
I'm playing a FOH paladin right now, workout respec. I did go the holy bolt route and the hardest part is actually act 5 normal, when you're level 24-29. Most monsters aren't undead or demons up until worldstone keep actually.
The best idea is to have some sword and try to hit them until you can use spirit. Then with double spirits you can put 1 point into blessed hammers and go through act 5 until you're level 30
Best idea is to stay hammerdin until you beat the game on hell difficulty. Just getting through Ancients and the Worldstone keep is 1000% easier with hammers. The question is then why ever go FOH? Only just to be different, I guess.
@@wingedhussar2909 I hate it when hammers don't land on a monster right next to me. It feels similar to missing attacks despite having a ton of attack rating. FoH doesn't miss and it clears undead and demons very quickly . It's a chill build
Played SSF FoHdin last season, no respecs, all budget gear (dual spirit, random rares etc). Used Holy Bolt and Zephyr+Stealth (50% frw before you add the bonus from boots/Vigor) through Normal. Holy Bolt, FoH, 5-10 in Prayer, Conviction, 1 point in Meditation. Zero need for blocking, can even use elemental bows like Kuko (with Holy Fire for kicks - lol) or Buriza to support the merc. A5 Frenzy Barb with elemental weapons (eg Crescent Moon sword). The only awkward areas are Maggot Lair, Viper Temple, Harrogath, the caves in A5, Cows, and the Ancients. Except for Ancients a teleport staff/amulet makes a big difference (pre-Enigma); the rest of the time you just stand behind your Merc and heal with Holy Bolt. All the major bosses and farming areas (Countess, Council, Chaos, Pits, Pindle [but not Cows obviously]) are wall to wall undead/demon. The same build plays well in groups because you have Conviction, when every other class usually wants/needs Infinity...
Just stay on Holy Fire - MAXED OUT till end of Nightmare, you can actually kill Nightmare Cows on p1 with Maxed Holy Fire :p
You get good items from there.
ANd for Hell - you switch to FoH and you join a party playing through hell.
@@goshu7009 what do you do for Hell skill point quest? when its hard to find a party (like anya)
2 ladders ago I started with FOH and I didn't realize the limitations of farming areas. I ended up switching to hammers because of this. FOH is supreme when you farm those other areas with demons/undead though.
True. I mostly play SSF (but with shared stash) and was annoyed how poorly a pure FOH performed outside the farming areas.
Gonna rustle some Jimmies with this one!
Yeah without enigma hammertime feels awkword
If Phil things the FoH is cool then wait till he hears about the FoH/Hammerdin Hybrid
Foh i go for hand of blessed light every time cost nothing vs hoto
Hammerdin must have enigma foh dont need, that
Overall it is much cheaper and faster for area farming minus animals
The best thing about Paladins is being able to restart as a Necromancer.
They're too much of a single-click class, playing as one gets boring far too quickly.
I've tried both, hammerdin I took single player hc level 99, foh around level 90 with the same gear. I found foh better on players 1 difficulty, but even players 3, hammerdin was better and p8 none contest
Hc player. That teleport into venom lords looked like suicide
Safty
I don't understand why you never test p8... what if you're trying to carry lowbies through a grush or chaos runs or baal runs?
Those runs are always full. FoH and Auradins fall way behind the Hdin there.
Skill Tree: 4:40 All you need is 1 point into Smite and maybe 1 to Fanat and your Hdin is now an uber/dclone killer... So I wouldn't give the 'nod' to FoH there...
Attack Power: You don't HAVE to telestomp everything... you can tele under them, throw a few hammers, drop a few of them, THEN telestomp.
Safety/Survivability: Hammers do so much dmg they stagger mobs and put them into Hit Recovery..... recovering = they do NO dmg
Variety: There are more non-demon/undead than there are magic immunes
Sorry but Hdin wins in everything but 'Fun' in my opinion... I hate the Hdin playstyle... I refuse to play one. But you can't deny he's probably the strongest build in the game.
Phil is a magic finder not a rusher. Also single player.
Bow your head to the new queen of grushes. Mosaic sin crushes p8 hell like it was normal difficulty.
90% of all d2 builds uses the same items... creative game for sure
ayy
Why not both in a same build. Hammers are overpowered anyways. I am using one. Can Foh can Hammer can smite for ubers.
I like how many build guides assume that you're always solo.
Weird how build guides assume things that are mostly true, who does that?
Lol Phil you been playing d4 too long and forgot bout d2 😂 /s
Hammerdin wins in my book. Low/no damage to mobs in this game really sucks.
How can he have that much skillpoints lol
Foh won’t put a dent in p8 but it is hella fun. Ive never had fun with hammers 😅
Hammer will always be better. You can prove this by playing each build naked.
go foh with dual dream - never had more fun in this game.
you dont have to invest into holy shock.
Wave 2 of Baal isn’t an issue for a hammerdin…get a strong act 2 might merc and put 1 hard point in fanaticism. U keep spinning ur hammers so the skeletons keep dying while our boy Emilio wrecks the immunes like a mac truck at a demolition derby. Easy money so hammers are all good all the time…munis that cursed maggot lair!
It's not. Hammers can clear the game. FOH is just demons and undead. Even with the buffs it hits like a wet noodle in a many areas. Even the Holy bolt feels weak considering its use case. Why they didn't just make it do magic damage to all like hammers is a lame decision on the devs part.
To be fair Phi your kinda right and kinda wrong. The Holy Fire + FOH clears whole game and each skill fixes any weakness. If you count it out they are basically same amount of points compared to hammerdin. We’re not even taking about dragon variant
I can make Paladin non change gear FoH + Hammer + Very Strong Smite in 1 gear no swap no change with mana non-stop and CTA on swap !!! Try to think beter , mb you awnderstand something in Paladins Items he will kill fast at 3-5 players. I dont awnderstand why you need Holy Shock Aura ???!!!
The short answer? No it's not stronger, unless blizz nerfs hammers no other paladin build will come close.
The long answer? FoH has come a long way, it's a lot better now. However, FoH requires a lot of investment to be good and even with BiS gear it's still pretty limited on where it can run. Compared to hammerdin, which can clear 90% of areas and do it faster with unoptomized gear. Even with a tele staff on swap before you can get enigma, hammer just clears so much faster.
FoH is fun, but unless they make holy bolt just straight up deal damage to all enemies it's just not a realistic build for most content. With infinity it can be a pretty decent boss killer, and it's far easier to play than hammerdin, so i still like it.
Basically, hammerdin is more versatile, it's considerably faster at both clearing and single target, and requires less gear to get up and going effectively. FoH still fun asf to play though, and I wish they would make it more playable.
@@zackbryans4982 The only good thing about FoH is that you can run any aura you want, redemption, conviction, salvation, meditation, etc... They should have made a synergy with sanctuary aura but.. oh well.
Not even close, hammerdin is just better. FoH may be fun but so many areas of the game it is just garbage to use it. There is almost no where the hammerdin isn't viable and only a few places FoH is significantly more efficient.
Only with enigma, without it they're trash and foh is more efficient at chaos / pit without enig
@@freedomfighter8883 The FoH fails at clearing at higher players. Hammers wreck all the way to p8 and you want to be farming at p7.
Chaos Sanctuary is my favorite place to farm. And if FOH will be a bit safer and let’s face it, better at AOE (think about the time to spin up hammers), then I’m FOH all day. If I want to do cows, hammerdin runs into the same issue of safety, and I’m pulling up my lightning javazon anyway
@@thomaszinecker1785I don’t do seasons
Sorry can't do cows and struggles at p8. Hdin smokes cows, breezes through p8 and with 2 skills rips ubers.
Bro is talking about low level leveling strats😂😂😂😂😂😂
It’s crazy to me that people still even play this game in normal/nightmare difficulty
Clickbait: foh > hdin.
Conclusion: foh = hdin.
Viewer: am I a joke to you?...
Foh sux and requires no skill...
Nerf the damn Hdins!