Videos like this are pretty nice already, but i would appreciate a showcase on dummies for maybe a minute or so, to be able to see the gameplay a bit. Or maybe have some gameplay from a dungeon running in the background. 👍
I just wanna play templar but I already know ill have to play lightsmith for buffing others in m+. I hope templar is a big dps increase so that it maybe ofsets the utility of lightamith but i doubt it.
I'm really hoping the tuning is close enough that you'll be able to play whatever you prefer, because I know a lot of people feel the same as you and prefer slamming down hammers over playing a more support-like role.
I would say for the weapons of light armament I would recommend if it overlaps you actually get one duration of each. So you can have both out at the same time and then it will refresh the oldest one.
Would definitely be down for that, though notably as of this response the weapons have been changed a bit, pressing wings no longer rerolls weapons and the duration can go up to ~26s so you get some value by pressing a weapon early. Also, all the strength from the weapons now comes from the paladin themselves, so you're just looking to buff targets that are capping out your procs and you don't care about having 2 weapons out at once.
Have you noticed WoG self healing being way lower than on live? I also felt the 5 holy power cost on the templar ability was sort of clunky with the 12 second time limit after EoT.... maybe it was because of the lack of haste on the pre-made beta character i was on..
Yes, Word of Glory (among other healing abilities) seems to not be scaling correctly on the current beta build. I assume it's just some scaling bug that will hopefully be fixed soon!
You definitely have more off-healing available to you now thanks to talent tree changes and the Holy Bulwark shields, but outside of that I have no clue about pvp so I can't really give an answer haha.
Not necessarily that it's a burden, just that it hurts the spec's capstone flexibility a bit when it already isn't great. You're right that in many builds it's something you plan to take anyways, however you did actually drop it in Moment of Glory builds and even on some late mythic bosses like Fyrakk to pick up some other talents since you didn't need another personal CD.
Too early to tell on beta because more difficult content isn't available yet, but will be able to get a better idea this weekend when M+ testing opens up!
Yeah, if its skills that you basically have to path through I don't have any issues, but anything based around a capstone talent is a tough sell to me for sure.
Elunes is definitely solid atm from my testing! For paladin it's a little rough atm because their tier doesnt work, they have some issues with their hero talents, and their self-healing isn't scaling properly so its hard to test them accurately. Should hopefully be fixed soon though.
Yeah potentially, you could opt out of Resolute Defender if you don't care about ardent/bubble CDR and that would give you 1 more capstone point to play around with. Definitely a "max damage" option though since you have to give that up to take it.
That talent is a bait. Before you could use 3 holy power spender for free. Now you need to build the holy power to use the same 3 holy power spender spells. The only use for that talent imo is if you want 1 free point on the final part of the tree instead of taking 2 points on that other talent.
I haven't actually tested runes on beta (since you can't buy them and have to actually level inscription), but I assumed you could use both, could be wrong though.
What is that perma 25% parry? That’s almost as good as the core defensiv of blood DK (even better if you factore in uptime). This needs to get nerfed. Regarding the 4 set. With blessed hammer you can easily keep it up even in downtimes.
Yeah I was VERY surprised to see that talent buffed by as much as it was. To be fair though Ppal did struggle late in expansions at AoE mitigation since they don't have extremely high values of any individual parry/dodge/block stat, instead just small/medium values of each which made it hard to compete with some other tanks that had extremely high values of one of the stats. Still 5% per stack seems like a bit much currently but we'll see.
the thing with shining light not being free casts in terms of mana is something that ive had issues with since season 2 im some dungeons, most notabely brackenhide in the section between first and second boss i would often go oom on prot paladin in higher key levels from wog and dispells, or also with afflicted at some times shining light should definitely remove not only the holy power cost but also the mana cost a tank spec should never have to worry about mana, just their primary ressource and im not even using wog on party members, just on myself i hate the off healing aspect when im tanking (although when i play dps i offheal as much as i can without hurting my damage, but on tanks i dont like using healing spells in general)
also if blizz is dead set on Shining Light costing mana to prevent Prot acting as a semi healer they could just have the mana cost reduced by 50% when casting it on yourself
Looking that way, which isn't necessarily bad imo if the focus is on hero talents specifically and just quality of life changes to the talent tree, especially because paladins as a whole got quite a few large adjustments to their tree over DF.
Not really, Resolute Defender is currently a staple talent and also paths to Bubble Taunt so there's another way to get to it if you're a Lightsmith that doesn't want Eye of Tyr.
Nope, specs will stay within the same role with the trees, the theme of the tree itself is just supposed to be something that is connected between the 2 specs (so templar are slamming your enemies with hammers for prot/ret)
That is my biggest issue with hero talents I heard max talk about Templar weeks ago. And my first concern was I don’t even take eye of tyr in all content, but I am going to have too to play Templar and it’s a capstone and Templar sounds super fun so that is what I would want to play. I thought it was bad and going to be a problem from the moment this tree was announced
Yeah, its not a huge problem if the talent is learned early on in the tree (like San'layn and Vampiric Blood for example), but it feels overly restrictive when it revolves around capstone talents like Templar or Elune's Chosen. I hope they reconsider the position of the talents involved or even the ability that triggers the related hero talent effect.
@@artug92 and Templar seems more fun and that is the one I would rather play, and to play it my talents would be locked at the bottom of the tree the part of the tree that defines your play style the most.
@@brandonneifert3199 that some nodes where are able to choose isnt gonna make a impactfull difference... Hes right atm this tallent tree is bs they could just add 10 more point to normal tree with 10+ choices...
The retaining concecrate buff for 4 sec is so much better. Feel like im made of paper outside of it.
Yeah really fantastic quality of life buff for M+ and heavy movement fights!
Unless I'm mistaken - consecrate got 5% weaker as a tradeoff? Or is this merged into mastery scaling for TWW. Character is quite weak on beta
Videos like this are pretty nice already, but i would appreciate a showcase on dummies for maybe a minute or so, to be able to see the gameplay a bit. Or maybe have some gameplay from a dungeon running in the background. 👍
Fair, definitely something I can do a bit more of in future videos!
Thank you for these!! Im torn between prot pally and blood dk. These help❤
No problem at all, definitely a tough choice between the 2!
I just wanna play templar but I already know ill have to play lightsmith for buffing others in m+. I hope templar is a big dps increase so that it maybe ofsets the utility of lightamith but i doubt it.
I'm really hoping the tuning is close enough that you'll be able to play whatever you prefer, because I know a lot of people feel the same as you and prefer slamming down hammers over playing a more support-like role.
I would say for the weapons of light armament I would recommend if it overlaps you actually get one duration of each. So you can have both out at the same time and then it will refresh the oldest one.
Would definitely be down for that, though notably as of this response the weapons have been changed a bit, pressing wings no longer rerolls weapons and the duration can go up to ~26s so you get some value by pressing a weapon early. Also, all the strength from the weapons now comes from the paladin themselves, so you're just looking to buff targets that are capping out your procs and you don't care about having 2 weapons out at once.
Have you noticed WoG self healing being way lower than on live? I also felt the 5 holy power cost on the templar ability was sort of clunky with the 12 second time limit after EoT.... maybe it was because of the lack of haste on the pre-made beta character i was on..
Yes, Word of Glory (among other healing abilities) seems to not be scaling correctly on the current beta build. I assume it's just some scaling bug that will hopefully be fixed soon!
Im aiming to be again prot healer lightsmith, u think its viable? i think its more viable than in shadowlands was, talkin bout pvp
You definitely have more off-healing available to you now thanks to talent tree changes and the Holy Bulwark shields, but outside of that I have no clue about pvp so I can't really give an answer haha.
I guess I don’t understand why you guys think buying Eye of Tyr is some kind of burden - it’s a must have
Not necessarily that it's a burden, just that it hurts the spec's capstone flexibility a bit when it already isn't great. You're right that in many builds it's something you plan to take anyways, however you did actually drop it in Moment of Glory builds and even on some late mythic bosses like Fyrakk to pick up some other talents since you didn't need another personal CD.
is prot paladin squishy? i feel like i get clapped
Too early to tell on beta because more difficult content isn't available yet, but will be able to get a better idea this weekend when M+ testing opens up!
Tying hero trees to optional skills is bad design. Eye of Tyr should be baseline
Yeah, if its skills that you basically have to path through I don't have any issues, but anything based around a capstone talent is a tough sell to me for sure.
Torn between Warr/Pally/Druid.
So far I like the Elunes grave guardian build the most from your videos. Haven’t tried Pally yet
Elunes is definitely solid atm from my testing! For paladin it's a little rough atm because their tier doesnt work, they have some issues with their hero talents, and their self-healing isn't scaling properly so its hard to test them accurately. Should hopefully be fixed soon though.
@@Tactyks was really hoping for Prot warrior.. but the rage felt pretty bad on them. I’ll stick with Druid for a bit and wait to see updates on pally
So, maybe bastion of light could be a strong option because of the 4 piece tier set. We can build more holy power and have stronger avenging wrath
Yeah potentially, you could opt out of Resolute Defender if you don't care about ardent/bubble CDR and that would give you 1 more capstone point to play around with. Definitely a "max damage" option though since you have to give that up to take it.
That talent is a bait. Before you could use 3 holy power spender for free. Now you need to build the holy power to use the same 3 holy power spender spells. The only use for that talent imo is if you want 1 free point on the final part of the tree instead of taking 2 points on that other talent.
Hard disagree on making the weapon buffs passive, saves me gold buying stupid howling runes lol
I haven't actually tested runes on beta (since you can't buy them and have to actually level inscription), but I assumed you could use both, could be wrong though.
Just finished this and your Bear overview, appreciate the detailed analysis. Who's next in the pipeline? ;)
Warrior is coming out tomorrow and DH should be after the weekend!
@@Tactyks Seen warrior already, thanks! Personally I can't stand DH, looking forward to DK though ;)
What the hell on the melee range nerf. That makes me sad.
Yeah, definitely a bit sad but at least paladins have a lot of other abilities useable from range so it's not a massive loss.
What is that perma 25% parry? That’s almost as good as the core defensiv of blood DK (even better if you factore in uptime). This needs to get nerfed. Regarding the 4 set. With blessed hammer you can easily keep it up even in downtimes.
Yeah I was VERY surprised to see that talent buffed by as much as it was. To be fair though Ppal did struggle late in expansions at AoE mitigation since they don't have extremely high values of any individual parry/dodge/block stat, instead just small/medium values of each which made it hard to compete with some other tanks that had extremely high values of one of the stats. Still 5% per stack seems like a bit much currently but we'll see.
It’s Paly…not Pala. While I’m at it…not Assa, it’s Sin.
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the thing with shining light not being free casts in terms of mana is something that ive had issues with since season 2
im some dungeons, most notabely brackenhide in the section between first and second boss i would often go oom on prot paladin in higher key levels from wog and dispells, or also with afflicted at some times
shining light should definitely remove not only the holy power cost but also the mana cost
a tank spec should never have to worry about mana, just their primary ressource
and im not even using wog on party members, just on myself
i hate the off healing aspect when im tanking (although when i play dps i offheal as much as i can without hurting my damage, but on tanks i dont like using healing spells in general)
also if blizz is dead set on Shining Light costing mana to prevent Prot acting as a semi healer they could just have the mana cost reduced by 50% when casting it on yourself
Seems like for TWW we will use like 95% of the same talents that we used in Dragonflight
Looking that way, which isn't necessarily bad imo if the focus is on hero talents specifically and just quality of life changes to the talent tree, especially because paladins as a whole got quite a few large adjustments to their tree over DF.
the names are the same yes, but the feel and use of many talents will be different.
new sanctuary is a game changer.
Yup, something a lot of Ppals have wanted for a long time!
Bubble tount is locked behind eye of tyr... this is a big change for me
Not really, Resolute Defender is currently a staple talent and also paths to Bubble Taunt so there's another way to get to it if you're a Lightsmith that doesn't want Eye of Tyr.
do hero trees mean prot will be able to be a dps spec for example? i notice they are connected between 2 specs
Nope, specs will stay within the same role with the trees, the theme of the tree itself is just supposed to be something that is connected between the 2 specs (so templar are slamming your enemies with hammers for prot/ret)
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That is my biggest issue with hero talents I heard max talk about Templar weeks ago. And my first concern was I don’t even take eye of tyr in all content, but I am going to have too to play Templar and it’s a capstone and Templar sounds super fun so that is what I would want to play. I thought it was bad and going to be a problem from the moment this tree was announced
Yeah, its not a huge problem if the talent is learned early on in the tree (like San'layn and Vampiric Blood for example), but it feels overly restrictive when it revolves around capstone talents like Templar or Elune's Chosen. I hope they reconsider the position of the talents involved or even the ability that triggers the related hero talent effect.
why do you HAVE to play templar? you dont have to do anything.
@@artug92 I did not say I have to play Templar... I said I have to play eye of Tyr to play Templar.... did you read the comment
@@artug92 and Templar seems more fun and that is the one I would rather play, and to play it my talents would be locked at the bottom of the tree the part of the tree that defines your play style the most.
@@timothywynn1574 " but I am going to have too to play Templar" your own words
Hero talents are pointless. If you can get all then then they don't really matter
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lol u cant get all of them. some nodes are choose this or that and u can only have 1 tree active so GG go cry somewhere else
@@brandonneifert3199 that some nodes where are able to choose isnt gonna make a impactfull difference... Hes right atm this tallent tree is bs they could just add 10 more point to normal tree with 10+ choices...
They're a flavor change on how you play a spec
Insanely op? Yeah 50% chance it goes live like that 😂😂😂