Two observations 1. The optional dealer "grill" more than evokes a Jeep. *I can see some legal departments getting involved here 2. The rims nicely looks like 1970s Honda Civic black steel wheels.
I’m with you. I love simple designs where “simple” should go. that charging little door does not need gimmicky electronics or fancy movements. it just needs to open and close period.
But, but, but that's what the consumer want's, gadgets and gizmos that makes driving more difficult. Isn't it? I guess they figure with all the saftey devices the car can drive itself while the driver gets distracted playing with all the gizmos. I get it now, don't you?
I love it when you guys give a little culture and history in your videos, explaining everything as you segway into the new. Keep it up. you guys make awesome content
@@Fabulousprofound168 the AWD RS are at dealerships and I thought I saw some RWD RS. There are 2LT that say they are in transit but you can't buy any Blazer EV's because their software has been a disaster.
Judging by the available space under the hood, Honda can always throw a 2.0L turbo ICE in the engine bay if this EV arrangement doesn't work out. I'm not an EV fan, otherwise it's a very sharp looking vehicle.
That's never happening unfortunately, the skateboard design ( motors, wheels and battery bottom section) means no engine subframe, only mounting points for the body. Also the interior space and crash structure is optimized around it, whole redesign is required if it were to use an Ice, much easier for Honda to face-lift a Pilot ...
Thanks Nathan! Don’t understand why a new EV still comes out with the outdated CCS charging connector. It is 2024 and the new Honda models were supposed to be equipped with Tesla NACS charging plugs. Go figure..
Unfortunately almost everyone’s press release states they will offer an adapter in 2024 with a transition to the NACS from the factory for 2025. Technically we could have some 2025 models released in 2024 with NACS, but it seems some companies meant manufacturing dates in 2025. We may see some 2025 models with different ports based on their manufacturing date.
Eh, it's not something to worry about. You're going to need an adapter either way. If it ships with CCS, you'll need the NACS adapter as the industry makes the jump. If it ships with NACS, you'll still need a CCS adapter to use the thousands of existing fast chargers that still have CCS. And it will take AWHILE before the charging infrastructure is pure NACS: think of how many 50 kw EVgo units are still in service! Regardless, you're going to be playing with adapters for another half decade to a decade even if you get NACS with your car.
I’m a Jeep person looking for a full EV. This is perfect for me! I would buy this tomorrow but according to Honda’s website this won’t be available in my area in Canada until 2026. Which probably means 2027.
By 2026 there will be more options for EVs as well so this may not be longer be worth it unless they migrate it onto a true Honda EV platform with better specs.
It looks like a jeep and it's got jeep tail lights too. Something is suspicious. Did Honda hire jeep designers to design the prologue! Because it looks just like a jeep. Honda design is failing. The new accord is bland and hideous. The only thing it offers is it's size.
At the very least, it looks great! I saw one of these at an auto show, and really liked it. 150kW is not that slow, if you consider that cars capable of charging faster only do so for about 3-5 minutes, before tapering back to ~140 kW anyway. To me, it's not worth the extra stress on the battery, to save 10 minutes or so on a charge session. I will sacrifice a few miles of range, to have all-wheel-drive. I live in Northern Utah, where we have winter snow. I also live on a 18% grade, where I have a tough time climbing the hill with a front wheel drive car. Front wheel drive is even less effective in an EV, because you don't have the bulk of its weight over its drive wheels. EV's tend to have equal weight on all four wheels, owing to the enormous battery. Because of its near perfect weight distribution, all wheel drive is the way to go, in adverse weather.
Its a good start tbh... its not as punchy or powerful as e-gmp platform with better value.. but for those who likes the Honda brand that won't touch any other brand, they have something to consider. I think it looks pretty good enough and has its own design identity. tbh, I love that manufacturers are finally flexing their designs forward since EVs are starting to get better... many ICE counterparts are just boring and very little design refreshes or any changes because they reached the limit what it can do on the front end.
I currently have a Chevy Bolt EUV, and have my eye on the Prologue because it looks like the seats are much more comfy (will have to confirm by sitting in one myself), it will keep the Android Auto, the cup holders and arm rest look better, and I like the Honda brand better than any GM brand. I will hold off on a Prologue until they come out with the built in NACS port though, so no 2024 for me. This also gives me a chance to sit back and observe how well the Ultium platform performs during it's first year, plus let the purchasers of the 2024 model be the guinea pigs of the first model year. Would also be nice to see a charging rate better than 150 kW, I wonder if future versions with the NACS port will have upgraded charging speeds?
Spot on. I drove the Prologue today and I loved it. Yes, the seats are the only reason I skipped on the new Bolt EUV. Prologue has comfy, yet stable seats. Prologue is also better than all other new Hondas, I tested them all today.
Considering this won’t be out until mid/late 2024, the software issues are likely to have been solved before then. Owner forums are already saying they have gotten some fixes.
EVs are a great alternative I can’t stand oil changes anymore or putting 50 dollars of gas in my wife’s SUV per week. My EV cost 6-12 dollars per charge and I charge 2 times a week
That’s assuming range reasonably meets estimates. I just got rid of my Tesla Model 3 because it began to perform poorly. Tesla even refused to give me an update on my battery degradation (16% last year @75k miles, but unknown this year with 89k). I recently drove 5 miles in my community and would lost 20 miles. I went from charging every 2 days to charging every day, and being able to drive 3 work segments to 1.5. So my savings went out when my efficiency seemed to be cut dramatically. They really broke my confidence in the company and the tech at this point.
@@g3johnston wow that sucks yeah I’ve only leased. Many others have owned EVs into the 150k + definitely would never own a EV without a warranty or extended warranty. Battery replace is very high at the moment so key is to always have some kind of warranty at all times. Or lease then your protected.
@@g3johnston wooooow. GM and Honda have 8 year 100k mile warranty on the battery, but I would also buy an extended warranty just in case. Ultium EV tech is supposed to be superior to Tesla, since Ultium is newer flat cells.
It's an EV that's simple to use, and I like it. It has a charge door that mimics a gas door in use, and nothing fancy like in other EVs where it likely could break. It's got normal door handles and not fancy flush or electronic door handles that likely could break or not come out in winter. It's got a normal interior layout with normal knobs and buttons for common tasks. It's got a normal center console with place to put items. It even has a normal start button and gear selector. It's an EV for folks that want to go electric but don't want to deal with the quirks of other EVs that likely could cause problems.
Pretty basic victim argument..."It's tough for me and I don't want to learn". Yes, more electronic components most likely means more problems but logically people don't buy EVs to last like the "old days" they are meant to be changed out every 3 to 4 years with the advancing tech and fast-paced everyday life.
@@willnye9788 It’s called making a solution to a problem nobody ever had or trying to find a solution nobody asked for. Nobody ever complained about door handles or gas doors. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. I mean automakers want EVs to permeate the masses, and most people don’t have 40k+ to spend on a car comfortably to begin with when the average salary is 65-75k, let alone to change it out every 4 years. The mentality might work for the wealthy early adopters who wanted something cool, but you’re not permeating the masses I mentioned earlier if you expect them to spend 40-50k and switch it out every 4 years. That comment doesn’t make sense for what automakers are trying to do with EVs.
@@KNRS927 yeah until it becomes a problem but it's okay "I don't have to deal with it because it is not broke". This mentality is so stupid because it hides accountability, typical victim mentality.
@@willnye9788 has it become a problem? The normal door handles and gas doors, for example, have been around for so long and hardly changed because there’s been no need for it. No research or studies have shown that it’s problematic Things like this just alter consumer behavior, if anything. When folks order Ubers not knowing cars and it takes them 3-5 minutes to find the door handle on a Tesla Uber, you know you’re altering consumer behavior. You’re entitled to your own opinion, but there are many folks like Nathan that just want an EV that they can get in and go like a normal car and not have to alter the way they do things, and this car does that. They just want to get in easily, go, and not have to worry about so many things that can break. Not everyone wants to swap out cars every 4 years for new tech nor has the money to do so.
You got it. That's why I like it too. It looks like a regular car. Drove the Prologue today and loved it. It is a nice daily ride, modern, yet conservative. It feels just right.
Thanks for the walkthrough, Nathan! One area where I think all car reviewers need to start applying a bit more nuance is when they are discussing charging speeds. I get that peak charging speeds are an easy number to reference, but without context, the peak charging speed is largely meaningless. The more pertinent number is average charging speed, and even that needs to be adjusted by actual driving efficiency. And then, from the end user, non-tech-geek driver perspective, what really matters is how the charging speeds align with everyday use. The 85 kWh Ultium pack has roughly the same average C rate to 80% as Tesla's 2170 packs, but Ultium has a flatter curve. If you're someone who makes fewer but longer charging stops on trips, there's almost no difference between the two. If you're comfortable driving to nearly empty and only stopping for 10 to 15 minutes, then you can start to accrue an advantage in travel times in a Tesla at the cost of more relaxed stops. By comparison, E-GMP cars probably provide the most utility because they can charge to 80% in about half the time of either the Tesla or Ultium platforms, but for the same utility, they tend to be slightly less efficient. Realistically, though, unless you are a regular long-distance traveler, the differences are minor. In fact, I'd argue that the onboard L2 AC charging speed might more relevant for most buyers.
What's inside just proved the new m3 highland without pre conditioning got 161 miles of hwy range back in 15mins of charging at a v3 scer. The egimps aren't ahead of tesla at ALL SMDH further more they can't take over about 240kws max. And dcfc none tesla branded of 250-350kws are under 2% of ALL operating ccs1 chargers here in the us currently available. 👍🏻
@@4literv6 Are you talking about the same people who did a "70 mph range test" while only doing 60-65 mph? I'm not sure I trust their data. Also, yes, E-GMP is definitely ahead of Tesla in terms of charging speed. They have a faster average charging speed to 80% when using a 150 kW CCS charger than the Model 3/Y have using a V3 Supercharger.
Push buttons and knobs are critical to safe operation. Any time one has to diddle around with multiple screens to use a function is needless distraction from driving--no safe.
it was at least interesting until you said the starting price for the entry level. no way in hell am I paying almost $50k for that thing. Ill wait a year until the low mile lease returns start showing up and Ill buy a loaded one for $35k
Yeah this car is way overpriced compared to what you can buy in the same range with faster charging and more features. I was expecting the front wheel to be right under 40 lol
This will likely qualify for at least $3750 federal tax credit by the time it's released plus many folks will receive $2500-$5000 incentive depending on their state. In short, most of the buyers Honda is aiming for with the Prologue, the base price will be around $40k.
@@spazzman90 don’t care. EV initial depreciation is massive. Worse than ICE cars. As I said above, the credit doesn’t make added depreciation so I’d wait for a lightly used low mile one that’s 30% less expensive.
What's up with that grille? I'm trying to shift my focus but I keep getting Jeep vibes. Is there a name being spelled out? I have no idea what's going on. And THANK YOU! Yours is the first channel that seems to understand that Ultium is a platform, which means that since it is shared among a few vehicles, it doesn't mean that the vehicles themselves are the same.
Thanks for the first look at Prologue!! The ‘dolled-up’ version of the Elite is attractive just like the BZ4X is attractive (😷). Honda will NEED the IRA $7500 to take a base AWD onto the market at $53K. Hope it comes through as it looks like a really decent implementation of the Ultium platform. Did Honda get a contract with penalties if GM can’t make battery packs fast enough??
So far Prologue sales are slow because most people are confused and have outdated thinking that GM is inferior to Honda refined artisan engineering. Tax credit applied Prologue Touring AWD is 45k at my local dealer. Drove it today and loved it.
Not Honda's first "all electric EV for the United States." Don't forget the BEV version of the Honda Clarity, Honda Fit EV, and before that the Honda EV Plus from the 1990's California EV mandate.
so is that whole built by GM in Mexico thing. Grew up on a farm. Grandpa had a Buick and Olds dealership. Loved GM cars and trucks. Not so much anymore. I've been avoiding GM like the plague for around 15 years (and I'm better off for it). Buying a Honda-badged GM vehicle sort of gives me the shudders. I like my Youngstown, OH cars.
I’m confused why this looks less related to the Chevy than the Acura ZDX does. With the ZDX I could visually pick out reused components more than I can with the Prologue. I think I read that this will be a 1 generation collaboration. That’s a concern to me and would make me cautious about this vehicle. Big issue with me is the location of the charging port. When it does switch to NACS, the location needs to be moved to the rear driver side.
@@bahamatodd Good to hear, I was just watching a video where somebody with a Tesla was struggling to back up far enough without hitting and still get the stubby cable to reach.
It makes a lot of economic sense to have a few suppliers of the "skateboards" for EV to take advantage of economies of scale and to amortize huge capital investments over more units.
Thank you, Nathan, Love Honda am not sold on the EV thing yet. As someone who puts on 30k miles a year, the range, recharging time, and Cost, OMG the cost, yes I'd save on gas but having to replace car after 5 years and 150 miles would bite
Yeah you’d have to replace the battery within 5 years on most EVs, they’re fine for light city use cases (never leaves an urban area and mostly city driving) but extended trips and long distance they’re not suitable
I put 35,000 miles a year onto my Bolt EV. At this level of driving, the fuel savings are frankly staggering. The amount I've saved in fuel and maintenance over the last 5 years almost equals the purchase price of the vehicle. Of course, the Bolt is a lot less expensive than this re-badged Blazer EV. I'd kill for the 150 kW peak charge rate of this car, so, I wouldn't fret that this isn't an 800V architecture. If you can charge at home and aren't constantly road-tripping, the speed of fast charging is rather less important than most believe it to be.
@@davewilson7602 No, you absolutely do not have to replace the battery every 5 years. For most, barring defects or damage, the battery will last the life of the vehicle. If you want to keep it forever, sure, it'll be down to like 85% capacity at like the 15 year mark but that doesn't necessitate a replacement. You either make do with the slightly reduced range or you sell it off to someone who can live within its new range.
2:27 The whole problem with getting your door dings is that it makes your car look stupid. This makes it look stupid the moment its installed, and is visible from lower orbit. LOL!
Looked like a Honda pretending to be a Jeep from the front. Honda is known for making cars which are bigger inside than outside, and this is not the case, it's not really a Honda:). Plastic cladding on the doors are trying to compete with Subarus in terms of ugliness and uselessness:)
It is so great when community raises a child. So child where are your parents? Kid ... They all are( HONDA ,GM , Tesla charger also i think the Milkman was a stlantis designer). Now when i misbehave only customer will pay😊. I hope some one at TFL gets a kick out of this comment . Another awesome video guys.
Stop with this crazy idea that all cars needs to be EV. Its ridiculous. I think third world countries will switch to EV in 2150, it hard for them to buy a cheap car can u imagine them buying a $50,000 dollar car ? Mexico just build 7 refineries and soon will not need any gasolina from one one, you think they will ever go to batteries cars ? Never.
This could've been the 2025 Passport with the V6 and 10 speed Transmission and it would be a hit! Now they still need to come up with a new look for the Passport and they stuck lugging this GM clone around. For 50+k!
57.7 cubic feet of cargo space with the seats down. Hehehehe. It always amazes me how my Bolt EV appears so small, but when the seats go down many of these medium size crossovers can barely beat it with seat-down cargo space.
@@willnye9788 so, why are you saying "it's a slow EV just meant meant to go from point A to B" when that's not what we're talking about? It really does look like you're replying to something else
@@Necrotron because it is, a lot of the EVs coming out have powerful electric motors ranging as high as 300 to 600 hp, to provide adequate vehicle handling they are built with aerodynamics in mind. EV vehicles lately are designed to do what gas vehicles cannot, perform at a higher level of efficiency nothing to do with cargo space. It is just fact that EVs are far more powerful and fun to drive with the handling that is created through the design and not comparable to boxy heavy duty gas vehicles.
Will Honda design their own EV platform? I really like the design of the Prologue but the interior seems to be lacking. I wish they brought the retro EV to the US.
I was going to say the same. It looks pretty clear to be plugged in somewhere to keep the lights and all that on for hours while journalists come through to make their videos.@@fortniteharambe
Did Honda hire the Jeep Cherokee designer?
I thought it was jeep at first looking at the thumbnail.
I hope so cuz it’d be an improvement.
I thought the same thing even after several looks
Yeooo thought I was the only one who thought that 😂
Lol fr. Looks like jeep
First thought is “it looks like a jeep “.
Same
Right!
And has GMs chime
Two observations
1. The optional dealer "grill" more than evokes a Jeep.
*I can see some legal departments getting involved here
2. The rims nicely looks like 1970s Honda Civic black steel wheels.
Thought as much but as these are squared instead of rectangular, perhaps this doesn't infringe on the patented jeep...
I must admit I had to do a double take.
What about the Suzuki jimny grille?
It looks like a jeep compass
If it’s already gone through the process and being made. Then their good. Nothings gonna happen.
The Prologue looks so much better without all that crap stuck on it.
I’m with you. I love simple designs where “simple” should go. that charging little door does not need gimmicky electronics or fancy movements. it just needs to open and close period.
This writer agrees-BUT- it opens the wrong way. It should open to the rear, to make for better cable attachment.
But, but, but that's what the consumer want's, gadgets and gizmos that makes driving more difficult. Isn't it?
I guess they figure with all the saftey devices the car can drive itself while the driver gets distracted playing with all the gizmos. I get it now, don't you?
I agree. Especially if you charge daily or every other day at home. I have zero faith that these doors will work after 5 years.
I love it when you guys give a little culture and history in your videos, explaining everything as you segway into the new. Keep it up. you guys make awesome content
Nice it's a EV that's not weird. inside and out.
Thats what all boomers say.
@@Dark_Vader888 Thats what all gen z idiot say.
Bingo. But that credit also goes to the GM version. They're not my style but both are handsome
"normal" vehicles. Yes, I'm talking to you Hyundai.
The Blazer EV is available in FWD, RWD, AND AWD. Crazy.
It’s not even available though. I thought there was a stop sale and I haven’t heard of them resuming.
I thought it’s only AWD right now? The other formats come later… which could take awhile if the Lyriq rollout is to be used as an example
@@Fabulousprofound168 the AWD RS are at dealerships and I thought I saw some RWD RS. There are 2LT that say they are in transit but you can't buy any Blazer EV's because their software has been a disaster.
The beauty of an electric motor. Ain't it grand?
1:53 Did Jeep lose its patent on the seven slotted grille?
I thought it was a jeep til Nathan said Honda
Jeep has 7 slots. How many slots do you count on this Honda?
I count six slots, but those 7 pillars sure make it look like a Jeep
Edit: I now count 8 pillars. Black on black confusing to my view.
Jeep: Never!
I'm counting 4 vehicles from the same platform? Cadillac Kyriq
Chevrolet Blazer EV
Honda Prologue
Acura ZDX 🤔
Also: Cadillac Escalade iQ. Cadillac Optiq. Cadillac Vistiq. Chevrolet Equinox EV. Buick Electra E5. More coming up.
Judging by the available space under the hood, Honda can always throw a 2.0L turbo ICE in the engine bay if this EV arrangement doesn't work out. I'm not an EV fan, otherwise it's a very sharp looking vehicle.
That's never happening unfortunately, the skateboard design ( motors, wheels and battery bottom section) means no engine subframe, only mounting points for the body. Also the interior space and crash structure is optimized around it, whole redesign is required if it were to use an Ice, much easier for Honda to face-lift a Pilot ...
Thanks Nathan! Don’t understand why a new EV still comes out with the outdated CCS charging connector. It is 2024 and the new Honda models were supposed to be equipped with Tesla NACS charging plugs. Go figure..
Unfortunately almost everyone’s press release states they will offer an adapter in 2024 with a transition to the NACS from the factory for 2025. Technically we could have some 2025 models released in 2024 with NACS, but it seems some companies meant manufacturing dates in 2025. We may see some 2025 models with different ports based on their manufacturing date.
Actually only Acura is for 2024 Honda will be online 2025-2026
Eh, it's not something to worry about. You're going to need an adapter either way. If it ships with CCS, you'll need the NACS adapter as the industry makes the jump. If it ships with NACS, you'll still need a CCS adapter to use the thousands of existing fast chargers that still have CCS. And it will take AWHILE before the charging infrastructure is pure NACS: think of how many 50 kw EVgo units are still in service! Regardless, you're going to be playing with adapters for another half decade to a decade even if you get NACS with your car.
They are going to release an adapter….relax
I’m a Jeep person looking for a full EV. This is perfect for me! I would buy this tomorrow but according to Honda’s website this won’t be available in my area in Canada until 2026. Which probably means 2027.
I mean, you could buy a Wagoneer S when it comes out later this year
Wagoneer S or Recon
Waaayyy out of my budget but they look great.
By 2026 there will be more options for EVs as well so this may not be longer be worth it unless they migrate it onto a true Honda EV platform with better specs.
It looks like a jeep and it's got jeep tail lights too. Something is suspicious. Did Honda hire jeep designers to design the prologue! Because it looks just like a jeep. Honda design is failing. The new accord is bland and hideous. The only thing it offers is it's size.
Jeep Compass vibes from that front end. Weird.
Jeep Compass vibes from a Hondo made by GM. We live in strange times.
Seeing it in red makes it look way more Compass. Although I didn't look at other comments yet.
I like the conventional styling and interior.... 🙂
Real buttons, gauge cluster, big screens on vehicles = perfect.
The fact that we need to point that out should tell the car manufactures something. Yet, many still don't get it.
At the very least, it looks great! I saw one of these at an auto show, and really liked it. 150kW is not that slow, if you consider that cars capable of charging faster only do so for about 3-5 minutes, before tapering back to ~140 kW anyway. To me, it's not worth the extra stress on the battery, to save 10 minutes or so on a charge session.
I will sacrifice a few miles of range, to have all-wheel-drive. I live in Northern Utah, where we have winter snow. I also live on a 18% grade, where I have a tough time climbing the hill with a front wheel drive car. Front wheel drive is even less effective in an EV, because you don't have the bulk of its weight over its drive wheels. EV's tend to have equal weight on all four wheels, owing to the enormous battery. Because of its near perfect weight distribution, all wheel drive is the way to go, in adverse weather.
Its a good start tbh... its not as punchy or powerful as e-gmp platform with better value.. but for those who likes the Honda brand that won't touch any other brand, they have something to consider. I think it looks pretty good enough and has its own design identity.
tbh, I love that manufacturers are finally flexing their designs forward since EVs are starting to get better... many ICE counterparts are just boring and very little design refreshes or any changes because they reached the limit what it can do on the front end.
Favorite looking crossover period. Pretty cool glad to see usable EVs coming out
And…the Blazer EV will offer a FWD version as well.
If Oldsmobile was still around, this is what it would look like.
It is a GM Ultium vehicle, so you aren't far off.
Couldn’t put my finger on it but I think you are right. Love Honda but this looks like a miss.
I currently have a Chevy Bolt EUV, and have my eye on the Prologue because it looks like the seats are much more comfy (will have to confirm by sitting in one myself), it will keep the Android Auto, the cup holders and arm rest look better, and I like the Honda brand better than any GM brand. I will hold off on a Prologue until they come out with the built in NACS port though, so no 2024 for me. This also gives me a chance to sit back and observe how well the Ultium platform performs during it's first year, plus let the purchasers of the 2024 model be the guinea pigs of the first model year. Would also be nice to see a charging rate better than 150 kW, I wonder if future versions with the NACS port will have upgraded charging speeds?
Spot on. I drove the Prologue today and I loved it. Yes, the seats are the only reason I skipped on the new Bolt EUV. Prologue has comfy, yet stable seats. Prologue is also better than all other new Hondas, I tested them all today.
Is this thing different enough from the Chevy Blazer EV that it's based on or will a stop-sale be issued for this too?
not sure about the stop sale, but carplay/android auto is a huge plus with this thing
Considering this won’t be out until mid/late 2024, the software issues are likely to have been solved before then. Owner forums are already saying they have gotten some fixes.
Looks great in the FWD, 296 epa range, planning to test drive one soon
Pros over Blazer: lower cost, CarPlay. Cons: less range, not as of nice infotainment screen layout.
EVs are a great alternative I can’t stand oil changes anymore or putting 50 dollars of gas in my wife’s SUV per week. My EV cost 6-12 dollars per charge and I charge 2 times a week
That’s assuming range reasonably meets estimates. I just got rid of my Tesla Model 3 because it began to perform poorly. Tesla even refused to give me an update on my battery degradation (16% last year @75k miles, but unknown this year with 89k). I recently drove 5 miles in my community and would lost 20 miles. I went from charging every 2 days to charging every day, and being able to drive 3 work segments to 1.5. So my savings went out when my efficiency seemed to be cut dramatically. They really broke my confidence in the company and the tech at this point.
@@g3johnston wow that sucks yeah I’ve only leased. Many others have owned EVs into the 150k + definitely would never own a EV without a warranty or extended warranty. Battery replace is very high at the moment so key is to always have some kind of warranty at all times. Or lease then your protected.
@@g3johnston wooooow. GM and Honda have 8 year 100k mile warranty on the battery, but I would also buy an extended warranty just in case. Ultium EV tech is supposed to be superior to Tesla, since Ultium is newer flat cells.
It's an EV that's simple to use, and I like it. It has a charge door that mimics a gas door in use, and nothing fancy like in other EVs where it likely could break. It's got normal door handles and not fancy flush or electronic door handles that likely could break or not come out in winter. It's got a normal interior layout with normal knobs and buttons for common tasks. It's got a normal center console with place to put items. It even has a normal start button and gear selector. It's an EV for folks that want to go electric but don't want to deal with the quirks of other EVs that likely could cause problems.
Pretty basic victim argument..."It's tough for me and I don't want to learn". Yes, more electronic components most likely means more problems but logically people don't buy EVs to last like the "old days" they are meant to be changed out every 3 to 4 years with the advancing tech and fast-paced everyday life.
@@willnye9788
It’s called making a solution to a problem nobody ever had or trying to find a solution nobody asked for. Nobody ever complained about door handles or gas doors. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
I mean automakers want EVs to permeate the masses, and most people don’t have 40k+ to spend on a car comfortably to begin with when the average salary is 65-75k, let alone to change it out every 4 years. The mentality might work for the wealthy early adopters who wanted something cool, but you’re not permeating the masses I mentioned earlier if you expect them to spend 40-50k and switch it out every 4 years. That comment doesn’t make sense for what automakers are trying to do with EVs.
@@KNRS927 yeah until it becomes a problem but it's okay "I don't have to deal with it because it is not broke". This mentality is so stupid because it hides accountability, typical victim mentality.
@@willnye9788 has it become a problem? The normal door handles and gas doors, for example, have been around for so long and hardly changed because there’s been no need for it. No research or studies have shown that it’s problematic Things like this just alter consumer behavior, if anything. When folks order Ubers not knowing cars and it takes them 3-5 minutes to find the door handle on a Tesla Uber, you know you’re altering consumer behavior.
You’re entitled to your own opinion, but there are many folks like Nathan that just want an EV that they can get in and go like a normal car and not have to alter the way they do things, and this car does that. They just want to get in easily, go, and not have to worry about so many things that can break. Not everyone wants to swap out cars every 4 years for new tech nor has the money to do so.
You got it. That's why I like it too. It looks like a regular car. Drove the Prologue today and loved it. It is a nice daily ride, modern, yet conservative. It feels just right.
Better looking than Honda passport for sure.
Front end looks like a 1990s model. Gaudy interior. Displays look like add-on crapola.
Thanks for the walkthrough, Nathan! One area where I think all car reviewers need to start applying a bit more nuance is when they are discussing charging speeds. I get that peak charging speeds are an easy number to reference, but without context, the peak charging speed is largely meaningless. The more pertinent number is average charging speed, and even that needs to be adjusted by actual driving efficiency. And then, from the end user, non-tech-geek driver perspective, what really matters is how the charging speeds align with everyday use.
The 85 kWh Ultium pack has roughly the same average C rate to 80% as Tesla's 2170 packs, but Ultium has a flatter curve. If you're someone who makes fewer but longer charging stops on trips, there's almost no difference between the two. If you're comfortable driving to nearly empty and only stopping for 10 to 15 minutes, then you can start to accrue an advantage in travel times in a Tesla at the cost of more relaxed stops. By comparison, E-GMP cars probably provide the most utility because they can charge to 80% in about half the time of either the Tesla or Ultium platforms, but for the same utility, they tend to be slightly less efficient.
Realistically, though, unless you are a regular long-distance traveler, the differences are minor. In fact, I'd argue that the onboard L2 AC charging speed might more relevant for most buyers.
What's inside just proved the new m3 highland without pre conditioning got 161 miles of hwy range back in 15mins of charging at a v3 scer.
The egimps aren't ahead of tesla at ALL SMDH further more they can't take over about 240kws max. And dcfc none tesla branded of 250-350kws are under 2% of ALL operating ccs1 chargers here in the us currently available. 👍🏻
@@4literv6 Are you talking about the same people who did a "70 mph range test" while only doing 60-65 mph? I'm not sure I trust their data.
Also, yes, E-GMP is definitely ahead of Tesla in terms of charging speed. They have a faster average charging speed to 80% when using a 150 kW CCS charger than the Model 3/Y have using a V3 Supercharger.
Push buttons and knobs are critical to safe operation. Any time one has to diddle around with multiple screens to use a function is needless distraction from driving--no safe.
Well, I think it'll still beat what Toyota with their EVs and Subaru's Solterra.
It's beautiful and doesn't even look like an EV.
Honda also sold V6 engines for Saturn Vue SUVs. Would love to be fly on the wall for that deal.
Any car that has a hint of GM's meddling is bound to make the car unreliable and ready for the junkyard. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I like it, can't wait to see a deeper look at the ZDX
it was at least interesting until you said the starting price for the entry level. no way in hell am I paying almost $50k for that thing. Ill wait a year until the low mile lease returns start showing up and Ill buy a loaded one for $35k
Yeah this car is way overpriced compared to what you can buy in the same range with faster charging and more features. I was expecting the front wheel to be right under 40 lol
This will likely qualify for at least $3750 federal tax credit by the time it's released plus many folks will receive $2500-$5000 incentive depending on their state. In short, most of the buyers Honda is aiming for with the Prologue, the base price will be around $40k.
@@spazzman90 don’t care. EV initial depreciation is massive. Worse than ICE cars. As I said above, the credit doesn’t make added depreciation so I’d wait for a lightly used low mile one that’s 30% less expensive.
A model Y with the $7500 point of sale tax rebate is under $35000. Who would even contemplate this car with that price difference.
You are almost there. Prologue Touring FWD is 42k after tax credit at my local dealer. I expect end of the year sales to be around 35k.
What's up with that grille? I'm trying to shift my focus but I keep getting Jeep vibes. Is there a name being spelled out? I have no idea what's going on.
And THANK YOU! Yours is the first channel that seems to understand that Ultium is a platform, which means that since it is shared among a few vehicles, it doesn't mean that the vehicles themselves are the same.
That's only a Honda in name, it's built by GM. Not the first time the old Honda Passport was a Isuzu Rodeo
At first glance, nothing identifies with Honda inspiration besides the badge. The eye sees GM, some JEEP, but nothing Honda inspired.
Thanks for the first look at Prologue!! The ‘dolled-up’ version of the Elite is attractive just like the BZ4X is attractive (😷). Honda will NEED the IRA $7500 to take a base AWD onto the market at $53K. Hope it comes through as it looks like a really decent implementation of the Ultium platform.
Did Honda get a contract with penalties if GM can’t make battery packs fast enough??
So far Prologue sales are slow because most people are confused and have outdated thinking that GM is inferior to Honda refined artisan engineering. Tax credit applied Prologue Touring AWD is 45k at my local dealer. Drove it today and loved it.
Not Honda's first "all electric EV for the United States." Don't forget the BEV version of the Honda Clarity, Honda Fit EV, and before that the Honda EV Plus from the 1990's California EV mandate.
Blazer has FWD in the yet to be released LT trims
Those dealer installed accessories are awful. Honda should stick with the clean design of the standard model for the Prologue’s press tour
Looks like a Jeep and a Ford Explorer had a baby.
Great video, that price is going to be a huge wet blanket on sales
so is that whole built by GM in Mexico thing. Grew up on a farm. Grandpa had a Buick and Olds dealership. Loved GM cars and trucks. Not so much anymore. I've been avoiding GM like the plague for around 15 years (and I'm better off for it). Buying a Honda-badged GM vehicle sort of gives me the shudders. I like my Youngstown, OH cars.
@@lexwaldez drive it, you will change your mind. I also dislike that they make it in Mexico, but it is really good vs all other Hondas right now.
Looks like a jeep designed by honda
Do you think Jeep will be flattered or pissed off?
@@krane15 jeep would be ecstatic if they were a honda but designed like a jeep, considering how terribly unreliable their cars are.
I’m confused why this looks less related to the Chevy than the Acura ZDX does. With the ZDX I could visually pick out reused components more than I can with the Prologue. I think I read that this will be a 1 generation collaboration. That’s a concern to me and would make me cautious about this vehicle. Big issue with me is the location of the charging port. When it does switch to NACS, the location needs to be moved to the rear driver side.
The charge port isn't moving. Tesla is installing longer cables.
@@bahamatodd Good to hear, I was just watching a video where somebody with a Tesla was struggling to back up far enough without hitting and still get the stubby cable to reach.
It makes a lot of economic sense to have a few suppliers of the "skateboards" for EV to take advantage of economies of scale and to amortize huge capital investments over more units.
YAY!!! BRING THE BUTTON BACK! cool video 👍
Honda. One of the best things to happen to the US automotive industry and economy.
Thought this was a Dodge...doesn't look Honda-like at all
Didn’t see rear seat heater controls in the Elite trim brushing against $60k - maybe I missed it.
Great interior.
the first company who makes a 600 - 800 mile ev that can charge in 3 - 5 hours will rule the world
Thank you, Nathan, Love Honda am not sold on the EV thing yet. As someone who puts on 30k miles a year, the range, recharging time, and Cost, OMG the cost, yes I'd save on gas but having to replace car after 5 years and 150 miles would bite
Yeah you’d have to replace the battery within 5 years on most EVs, they’re fine for light city use cases (never leaves an urban area and mostly city driving) but extended trips and long distance they’re not suitable
@@davewilson7602 Agreed, great for inner-city, as would a KEI car be, but not for the open road of the midwest
I put 35,000 miles a year onto my Bolt EV. At this level of driving, the fuel savings are frankly staggering. The amount I've saved in fuel and maintenance over the last 5 years almost equals the purchase price of the vehicle. Of course, the Bolt is a lot less expensive than this re-badged Blazer EV. I'd kill for the 150 kW peak charge rate of this car, so, I wouldn't fret that this isn't an 800V architecture. If you can charge at home and aren't constantly road-tripping, the speed of fast charging is rather less important than most believe it to be.
Im on the same boat. i drive 140 miles a day for work. an electric car would never be feasible for me
@@davewilson7602 No, you absolutely do not have to replace the battery every 5 years. For most, barring defects or damage, the battery will last the life of the vehicle. If you want to keep it forever, sure, it'll be down to like 85% capacity at like the 15 year mark but that doesn't necessitate a replacement. You either make do with the slightly reduced range or you sell it off to someone who can live within its new range.
Just get the Chevrolet
2:27 The whole problem with getting your door dings is that it makes your car look stupid. This makes it look stupid the moment its installed, and is visible from lower orbit. LOL!
Get rid of the piano black on the dash and doors and I’m in!
Those bumper panels are so hideous. Looks like someone stuck a large grey bandaid on the door.
Looked like a Honda pretending to be a Jeep from the front. Honda is known for making cars which are bigger inside than outside, and this is not the case, it's not really a Honda:). Plastic cladding on the doors are trying to compete with Subarus in terms of ugliness and uselessness:)
Jeep should sue for design copyright.
It is so great when community raises a child. So child where are your parents? Kid ... They all are( HONDA ,GM , Tesla charger also i think the Milkman was a stlantis designer). Now when i misbehave only customer will pay😊. I hope some one at TFL gets a kick out of this comment . Another awesome video guys.
If Honda will offer hybrid PILOT and PASSPORT, most people will not touch this...
Does it come in a gas model? No way I’m buying anything electric…
Way too much money as well.
It looks like it will be DOA with that price..
I miss the era of EG6, EK9, and DC2, when they are truly unique.
Stop with this crazy idea that all cars needs to be EV. Its ridiculous. I think third world countries will switch to EV in 2150, it hard for them to buy a cheap car can u imagine them buying a $50,000 dollar car ? Mexico just build 7 refineries and soon will not need any gasolina from one one, you think they will ever go to batteries cars ? Never.
Designed or built in the US is NOT a good thing for A Japanese vehicle.
It is not built in U.S., but Mexico.
That giant black bumper running on the sides looks terrible.
What's with the grotesque black side bumpers? I get trying to make something more "off-roadsy" but come on....
Is this more the size of a Passport? I don't think you can patent a "look" so I think Honda is safe from the Jeep Legal department.
I thought I was staring a jeep.
This could've been the 2025 Passport with the V6 and 10 speed Transmission and it would be a hit! Now they still need to come up with a new look for the Passport and they stuck lugging this GM clone around. For 50+k!
Yeah, those Isuzu/Hondas were really popular, well thought of & breakproof. Not. At. All....
57.7 cubic feet of cargo space with the seats down. Hehehehe. It always amazes me how my Bolt EV appears so small, but when the seats go down many of these medium size crossovers can barely beat it with seat-down cargo space.
Because the Bolt is built with no aerodynamics in mind simple Physics, it's a slow EV just meant for point A to B
@@willnye9788 I think you replied to the wrong comment.
@@Necrotron nah
@@willnye9788 so, why are you saying "it's a slow EV just meant meant to go from point A to B" when that's not what we're talking about? It really does look like you're replying to something else
@@Necrotron because it is, a lot of the EVs coming out have powerful electric motors ranging as high as 300 to 600 hp, to provide adequate vehicle handling they are built with aerodynamics in mind. EV vehicles lately are designed to do what gas vehicles cannot, perform at a higher level of efficiency nothing to do with cargo space. It is just fact that EVs are far more powerful and fun to drive with the handling that is created through the design and not comparable to boxy heavy duty gas vehicles.
I see General Motors in that everywhere. Not just underneath. Right down to the fasten seatbelt chime. Pass!
That's what makes this so good. But they should have done a smaller Equinox EV version so Acura has something sell in that segment.
Will Honda design their own EV platform? I really like the design of the Prologue but the interior seems to be lacking. I wish they brought the retro EV to the US.
Yeah, but they aren’t introducing their own platform based EVs until like 2027/2028
Lol.. without title i would have thought Jeep
we need to check up on this guy in the coming episode. If not we know why....he called out his .....'s driving. LOL
Of course Nathan has an agenda see 8:00 for listening to Biden's Playbook playing....
What in the jeep front end is this
Are those low contrast LCD screens? It looks dated already
Prologue has a massively better screen than all other new Hondas. It is unbelievable how outdated all Honda infotainment is.
Appreciate the knowledgeable presentation
Glad you can drop down to 19” wheels on Elite trim. Curious if that will add a little range back
Whats with the electric cable hidden behind the red one.. @3:05 you can see it.. Are these prototypes still?
I would guess they are just keeping them powered while on display. Probably lots of "journalists" coming and going and poking at these for days.
I was going to say the same. It looks pretty clear to be plugged in somewhere to keep the lights and all that on for hours while journalists come through to make their videos.@@fortniteharambe
OPPS HONDA HAS GM CHIME😍😍😍😍😍
I would buy one if there were way more EV charging (Gas Stations) around. I love this vehicle though!
I read the title 7 times before I realized what I was actually looking at
Those HVAC controls are the same as the Colorado and the GMC Canyon!!!
So Honda did use GM parts bin in the interior also!!!
And? Prologue is great, all controls are great. Tested today
Best range in its class? But Blazer has longer range?
12:06 best view of this vehicle
I like how they put one extra bar in the grill to make it not-a-Jeep 😂
It looks horrible with all the gimmicky black plastic trim bits
It's a rebadged Chevy Blazer
8:00 Bidens 2024? What the heck is that?
Not the first Honda all EV. There was a Clarity EV. My a co-worker had one. It had only an 80 mile range.
8:13 Piano black interior is the worst of the worst.
Not to mention the piano black fender flares. They couldn’t have picked a more impractical finish
Definitely thought this was a Jeep for sure
This IS NOT Honda's first EV for the USA. Way back in the 90s, Honda had the EV Plus, had a Fit EV, had a Clarity EV...
Thought that was a Jeep by the thumb nail.