The First Lost Mine in the Superstition Mountains
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- Опубліковано 24 лют 2019
- Clay Worst tells Charlie LeSueur the story of the lost Doctor Thorne mine and how it may the foundation of the Lost Dutchman mine story in the Superstition Mountains.
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Wow Clay is a great story teller. Loved it
A long time ago I was told by a relative of mine that the reason Jacob Waltz went back looking for a mine by himself was because when he was with the Cooley party he saw weighted down burro tracks. And he followed these tracks back into a funnel shape mine.
What amazes me is a doctor, and some Mexicans find gold without any heavy machines or modern tools but for 100 years no one else can find anything.
heavy machines find gold?
I watched a show on the History Channel a few month ago about the Lost Dutchman Mine. One of the guys had a hand drawn picture with almost the exact shape of the peak at the start of this video. He later found a guy who runs a small museum that had the original map drawn on some type of animal skin.
Wonderful story! Thank you!
Thank you, Susie.
The Corydon Cooley mentioned in the story was my great grandfather. I have read of the Dutchman being in his mining party.
Must watch twice episode.
Thank you for attempting to bring a dose if reality into the Superstition Mountains
great! now I know where it is.. haha just funning.. ....happy trails always....
I can't understand why the Indians didn't just bring him the ore instead of taking him to the place....big mistake! lol Good story! Thanks for sharing.
A great Story 👍
as told by "the expert" of mining.. thanks much mr. Clay.......
Dog gone it ya had to do it again. Done got me fired up and ready to drop everything and head for the hills in search of treasure. Lol. I think most of the old treasure stories have been solved, someone finds something and keeps it quiet. But I’m sure there are still one or two waiting to be found. Take care.
It's so intriquing and if only I was 20 years younger
@@beachsheri9684 as long as you're young at heart . One can be a treasure hunter if they have access to computer, doing homework and getting someone you trust to do the field work. No such thing as to old. Take care.
I think you got it. That shiny stuff will make you get real crazy.
Around the Mokelumne area in California gold rush times, someone found a nine pound solid gold nugget on top of the ground. Many laid claim to the spot and dug furiously. But no more gold was found on that ground. One miner had a dream one night that a large deposit of gold lay under the floorboards of his partners wood cabin. Intrigued by the dream, they dug under the cabin and hit a very rich pocket of gold. The old saying,”gold is where you find it” rings true.
The family of a friend of mine owned a big gold mine up at Nevada City, don't remember the name of the mine. My friend's name was Jim Danos.
@@davenettles9482 I wonder sometimes how much placer gold is left.
@@allend777 When we had that real wet year a few years ago I heard a lot of stories of guys getting nice nuggets & flake in stream beds that had been worked out years before. It was washing down from the source veins way up stream. So someplace in the head waters of these streams are un-found deposits.
@@davenettles9482 Franklin Roosevelt’s ban on private gold ownership, then forced mine closings during World warII doomed mining for gold. I’m sure there is much more gold remaining if you know where to look. It is very hard on the environment, though.
Did My Granddad find The Lost Dutchman Mine?
My granddad was a famous Southern California cowboy named Walt Whitlock. He was
born in 1885 and died in 1960.
In around 1905 to about 1910, He and his cousin, Steve Helm went on a hunting
expedition to the Colorado 4 corners area. They jerked all their meat and were on their way back to San Diego County when they encountered a sand storm. They rode up into the Superstition Mountains, down the Salt River, looking for shelter.
Around dark, on a narrow cliff-side trail, south of the river, they found what they thought was a cave. It was barely large enough for them & their horses. When it became light the next morning they realized that this wasn't a cave, but a shallow, horizontal mine shaft, about 20 feet deep and 15, or so, feet wide. by about 6 feet tall. In the back of the tunnel they could see
a vein of gold the width of the tunnel & 2 feet thick. They took their hunting knives & dug out some of the gold. Then they drew a crude map of the area with the idea of coming back later to stake a claim.
They actually went back several times, but weren't able to locate the mine. They claimed the topography looked totally different. They even rode up the river, & down the same canyon as they had that evening, they even found the correct trail, but it stopped before they got to where they believed the mine was located. In fact the last time they were there, they had to back their horse up about 100 yards just to get back to the main trail, but the mine
wasn't to be found.
Sometime during the Great Depression my Granddad misplaced his "Dutchman" map. After his death in 1960 I went through his belongings looking for it, but it was just as lost as the Dutchman's mine.
About 15 years ago I took a interest in trying to figure out where this mine was really at. So I began searching for it on the Internet, I download every "Dutchman" map I could find, about 60 to be exact.
After pouring over all this information, as well as lots of old Dutchman stories, I decided that the Dutchman had probably found an existing Spanish mine, possibly dug by the Peralta party, before they were massacred. I began to compare all of these maps and discovered that all of the ones which were of a good enough quality to be of any use, seemed to have a couple of features in common, that being a triangle looking place at the conjunction of 2 canyons, just south of the Salt River.
When the Google satellite view came out, it made this task much easier, so I began to search Google maps for these features, and I believe I've been successful. I've found a place at the end of La Barge Canyon which seems to match the listed topography, as well as my Granddad's "Ghost Trail.
It appears to be in a large rock slide, which I believe is the reason Granddad couldn't find it again. It appears the whole face of the cliff slide away in one large slide, completely wiping out the trail for several hundred yards, & covering part of the entrance. The entrance is still viable, but is now just a slot, instead of the 6 foot tall, 15 foot wide rectangular opening my Granddad described, it's now just a 15 foot by about 3 foot high slot, with the bottom of the mine forming the top of the slide. The area in question is just above the top of La Barge Canyon. It appears there is a trail up the top of the ridge, above the mine. I believe this is what Granddad referred to as the "Main Trail". It appears the trail to the mine actually crossed the main trail, but slide has wiped most of it out, for what looks like several hundred yard.
The correct area is just about in the middle of this map.
www.google.com/maps/@33.5150089,-111.4253742,2403m/data=!3m1!1e3?
Oh Yeah buddy.
Someone should go up there and vlog it.
Interesting story, thanks for sharing it. You need to get a sample of the ore, A Dr. Glover had a piece of dutchman ore analyzed by the Univ. of Reno (as I recall), and included the results in a book he wrote on the lost dutchman. If the ore from you granddad's mine looks to be 1/3 gold have it tested and compare the results to Dr. Glover's. Then you'll know for sure if it's the lost dutchman. Be careful when you try to clear the tunnel/stope. Good luck and if it is the lost dutchman, keep your mouth shut!
@@LuckyBaldwin777 I'm not going up there, That slide looks plenty dangerous. I was in contact with desert rat from the area who said he knew where it was & didn't realize it was a mine. Said he went out there, took a good look around. He seemed to think the only way in was from the top, but he said the whole area look pretty unstable. The biggest problem is that it's on park land, so just what would a soul do with it?
@@davenettles9482 work it clandestinely on a small scale. Is not too highly traveled out there, if you're careful you should be able to keep it secret.. If you have to set off a charge, sand bag it and do it at night. Then it'll just be another one of those mysterious thumps in the night Don't cob the gold out of the ore there. Haul the ore a mile away and do it. And never sell more than $5000 worth to one spot. That's the threshold where the gov't has to be notified of the sale. And if it was me, I'd use some of the proceeds to buy a worthless gold claim somewhere many miles away. Then I'd claim the gold I sold came from there and pay taxes on it. I look at it like taxes are the gov't's cut since it is their land lol
It seems to me there is various amounts of treasure all over the West but to find it is luck. They say if you really want to find something is not to look for it for it will be found, post haste. That is what luck is.
Can you interview some Apaches? I wonder what tribal lore they have?
interesting idea
They are not going to tell.
@@douglasbrannon6525 thats because they know nothing...
Alot were killed so no one to pass the lore
@@demonprinces17 what about the Apaches they brought to Oklahoma they weren't killed off their descendants are still alive
Hot hot lived in Phoenix, Mesa for 3 years hot hot
Spring & Fall, any other time is just too hot, same over here in Central Cal.
I keep seeing stories here that reference the natives knowing locations of goldmines. My estimation sez its likely one must go thru them at some point either by getting murdered( an insinuation theyve shed blood of seekers)or by doing something they greatly favor( need). Also the us govt does have a say as to who trounces upon their( our??) land. Thanks once again..
I think it’s obvious that the Dutchman found something when he was with everyone else but keeped his mouth shut and stayed behind because he had found gold .
Just placing my comment here to view in the distant future lol
Map here ua-cam.com/video/jgskGMlHzTY/v-deo.html
you cannot see the mine until you are right on it in fact there are two.
On the place I'm talking about there are 2 more spots that look like hole down the hill on into La Barge. That fits a couple of the maps I have. There is also suppose to be a store room north & west, like about 100 or so yards, but I've never located that.
the picture of this sombrero peak this video shows is wrong. i can show you a youtube video of the correct peak...
that sombrero peak is obvious, i can show you a youtube video of it...so the gold must be all gone...
Do Indian tribes still lay claim to areas where the Dutchman mine may have been? And perhaps that is why it was never "officially" rediscovered??
Maybe I haven't seen the video but who are all these Spanish that originally started all this mines?
they are just guys with metal shirts
.they like to explore
@@jquest43 They were the first people's to bring a gun to a knife fight.
This is such a great story and thin mine is also the Dutchman mine, and Peralta Mine Sombrero Mine. It’s in a hidden canyon that was sacred to the Indians but were ran out by the calvary one day in winter during Indian wars, also why Soldiers found the mine taking a shortcut they knew of “old government trail” into the hidden canyon that’s pretty harsh. The entrance is known as the mouth of hell by the Indians and to get into the canyon one must enter through the mouth. Once inside the north south canyon you can not see outside of it in any direction with steep walls and it’s a beautiful place that’s private and sacred. Look more like a jungle than a desert and thus is known as the heart of the mountains so stone had a Heart shape too.
Red dead vibes
I find it hard to believe that the indians would know that these rocks would make this guy wealthy nor do i think that if they did know the worth of the rocks would they have taken him there . why wouldn't they have just brought him some of the gold ?
Yeah, Clay, quite a story. But just that and so filled with undocumented notions that it gets pretty boring by the end. I love your factual stories, though, on the Mammoth and Silver King. I guess I just love facts not notions.