The GOLD under the Dutchman's Bed

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  • @rebeccaswilling1771
    @rebeccaswilling1771 5 років тому +22

    I love Clay, he’s a walking dictionary on history of the Superstition Mountains. Thank you for all of your amazing videos!!!

  • @JustMe-mh2pn
    @JustMe-mh2pn 3 роки тому +1

    i could listen to this wonderful older gentleman for hours. what a fascinating personality and so incredibly fit.

  • @hennessydrew735
    @hennessydrew735 5 років тому +29

    I just stumbled upon your channel. Learning about the Dutchman and the superstition mountains its pretty fun. Keep up the good work.

  • @PacMan2244
    @PacMan2244 5 років тому +11

    Great episode! I wish more people appreciated history.

  • @marieelena
    @marieelena 5 років тому +5

    Love these stories of the old West...thanks!

  • @StevenSchoolAlchemy
    @StevenSchoolAlchemy 4 роки тому +3

    Another great story about the dutchman!

  • @Mike-01234
    @Mike-01234 4 роки тому +5

    I think I read Clay Worst is in his early 90's now he is the last man who has any direct link to the Dutchman still alive in the 21st century.

  • @stevenkimball5592
    @stevenkimball5592 5 років тому +10

    It's funny that the first canyon he mentioned was La barge. One of the mines Jacob talked about with the three foot thick vein of milk quartz is in LaBarge canyon just south of LaBarge spring headwaters. That's where Bill Hibdons base camp is. I have been there myself back in 92'.
    Charlie LeSueur, let's talk.

  • @darkh2o716
    @darkh2o716 5 років тому +9

    Mr. Worst is your most interesting and legitimate interview as having been so close to the history involved in the Superstitions. A most excellent gentleman. I do not subscribe to much but I am in. Excellent videos. Thanks

    • @philipcallicoat9947
      @philipcallicoat9947 3 роки тому

      He's having fun by getting idiots to buy his boooshwa....
      Check his past,you numbskulls.

  • @johnzeszutko5661
    @johnzeszutko5661 3 роки тому +1

    Why am I sitting here when there is treasure to be had? If all the old timers came up empty I'll do no better. Thirty five years younger and I'd turn a spade of earth around the Superstitions and have the satisfaction of knowing I tried. Lets be having more of these stories!

  • @maikailoa808
    @maikailoa808 3 роки тому +1

    Clay is a real treasure.
    Ron

  • @brucemartin1663
    @brucemartin1663 5 років тому +4

    Absolutely awesome firsthand accounts of the Dutchman..thanks so much...i lived in the area in the late 70s and we would hike up there..one of my friends was getting and producing gold dust . Nothing in nugget category but still my jucies get flowing when hearing the accounts of what is probably the richest vein in Arizona...hope to get back while i still have enough energy to poke around a bit...thanks again..

  • @danor6812
    @danor6812 5 років тому +6

    From what this man said. About what he learned of the story. It tells me the "The Lost Dutchman's Mine" was played out. He relayed the story of the Dutchman stating he mined all there was in the mine, and buried what he had in 3 cashes. 2 small, 1 large. Which tells me people have been and are searching for the wrong thing. They are looking for a mine, when they need to be searching for the cashes. Although, I feel in order to find the cashes, one has to first find the mine. The cashes have to be buried/hidden close to the original mine. Reason being. Besides the effort required in moving and burring/hiding the oar. If no one would have found his mine. They would not have found his cashes.

    • @kiwicory100
      @kiwicory100 4 роки тому +1

      As if.......fake gold news sorry...no such thing as played out there is always gold,.....some just not as mineable for the effort vs others

    • @williamhurt8512
      @williamhurt8512 3 роки тому

      unless someone found all or some of it a long time ago and were smart enough to keep silent... after all, a great number of people have been searching for this treasure over a long stretch of time. some are rumored to have died or gone mad! also the superstitions are well reputed to be quite dangerous even just for hikers. let the seeker beware!!!

  • @imgone54321
    @imgone54321 4 роки тому +5

    What a great interview by Charlie, gone way to soon. Interesting to see three peaks at the top of the match box. Mr. Clay Worst should write a book about the Dutchman. It would sell like McDonalds hamburgers when they first opened.
    I still wonder, actually I have had dreams about how Dick Holmes ended up with all that gold in that miners candle box. We'll never know.
    I would of thought that Jacob Waltz would have wanted Julia Thomas to have that gold. She's the only one that took care of Jacob when he was ill for all those months, in the back of her store.
    Maybe Dick Holmes walking off with that miners candle box full of gold that day is the reason he or his son never found the gold mine.
    This story would make one great movie.

    • @roderichroby9078
      @roderichroby9078 3 роки тому

      One book has Julia selling admission to view the dying Waltz to make a quick buck. Out on the sidewalk, trying to convince passersby to pay to see him before he died.

  • @donaldking8288
    @donaldking8288 3 роки тому +1

    I like prospecting, that story is fascinating, thanks 😊

  • @philipbunney9445
    @philipbunney9445 3 роки тому +2

    Currently writing a feature film script about the lost gold mine in the Superstition Mountains. This is very helpful & informative.

    • @larryhedrick254
      @larryhedrick254 3 роки тому +3

      Phillip
      Clay was partnered with Brownie Holmes for 20 years,
      Brownie was the son of Dick Holmes who was at the Dutchman’s bedside.
      Clay is as close to the first hand information as one can get.
      Julia Thomas was NOT at the bedside as she was looking for a doctor. Most of the clues P C Bicknell wrote about came from Julia’s failed search. Other than Superstition Mountain itself and Weavers Needle, none of the canyons and other Mountains out there had names at that time and its Julia’s descriptions of where she went that those clues came from. The only real clue that the Dutchman gave was the board house.
      We are not trying to find the mine, we are trying to straighten out the many myths and falsehoods that exist.
      I have known Clay for 40 years and know he would never lie about anything. Clay is the most honest Christian I know.

    • @mysteriesofthesuperstition6793
      @mysteriesofthesuperstition6793  3 роки тому

      Sounds great!

    • @meichong8278
      @meichong8278 Рік тому

      How are you getting on with your script ? Will we be seeing it on Netflix anytime soon ?

    • @philipbunney9445
      @philipbunney9445 Рік тому

      @@meichong8278 I’ve got a draft of it that I submitted for a postgraduate course I did. Earned a distinction! Definitely needs work but I was happy with my work

  • @tomsmith4319
    @tomsmith4319 5 років тому +17

    I can see superstition mountain from my home....Great videos and channel.

  • @bonniejohnson1518
    @bonniejohnson1518 4 роки тому +4

    after stories are passed down dozens of times the truth is gone forever..

  • @randybourdon2791
    @randybourdon2791 4 роки тому +1

    Great story!

  • @larryhedrick254
    @larryhedrick254 3 роки тому +5

    Josh
    It’s a federal wilderness area can’t Mine there.

  • @johngoerger8996
    @johngoerger8996 4 роки тому +3

    Miss Charles.. Rest

  • @skyfish1
    @skyfish1 3 роки тому +2

    So intriguing ! Has anyone just started to mine there in those mountains? Forget lookin for the mine and figure out if theres other sources. If there was one vein then wouldnt there be more?

  • @EliteOpticalaz
    @EliteOpticalaz 5 років тому +4

    Love it!

  • @ArizonaGhostriders
    @ArizonaGhostriders 5 років тому +2

    Well done!

  • @solobushman
    @solobushman 5 років тому +16

    This is one story that you wish would last another hour. Ha. Sure makes a fella want to start treasure hunting..I'm sure most of those treasures are found but with so much activity in the last 150years surely there has to be something still yet to be found..as always great video..take care..

    • @CharlieLeSueurHollywoodTrail
      @CharlieLeSueurHollywoodTrail 5 років тому

      Trapper 62 ...Thanks, Trapper 62.

    • @inmyopinion651
      @inmyopinion651 5 років тому +1

      Go find the more recent Fenn treasure

    • @solobushman
      @solobushman 5 років тому

      @@inmyopinion651 . Of course I don't know for sure but I got a feeling fen's treasure is found. just my thoughts.

    • @inmyopinion651
      @inmyopinion651 5 років тому +1

      @@solobushman I thought I was the only one that thought that. I just assumed I was wrong.

    • @nickdesaint4601
      @nickdesaint4601 4 роки тому

      I'll wait for the naxt Big EQ in that area, then go look. :)) Maybe it'll open back up the EQ sealed cave. Source; "Lust For Gold" movie 😊

  • @TheAmericanAngler
    @TheAmericanAngler 5 років тому +4

    love it!

  • @TheGhostchaser8
    @TheGhostchaser8 3 роки тому +5

    Interesting information. The gentleman knows his history, that’s for sure.
    The only thing that bothers me about this interview, is a technical matter. Being a film school graduate, the fact that they have crossed the 180 degree sight line during filming, somewhat detracts from the interview. The interviewer, and the interviewee, aren’t looking at each other. It’s very obvious that the two segments weren’t shot at the same time or location. Different lighting, different cameras, different times... almost junior high school level production level.
    Other than that nit picky thing, I enjoyed this.

  • @demonprinces17
    @demonprinces17 4 роки тому +7

    If samples still exist would think a modern test would point to a location

    • @marhawkman303
      @marhawkman303 2 роки тому

      the problem is that you need to find a matching sample... If it's the only sample from a location you can't match it.

  • @jamesmiller7548
    @jamesmiller7548 4 роки тому +2

    Wow,,he shuck the hand of the hand of the hand that shuck the hand that changed the bed pan from the man that shuck the hand of the Dutchman when we has 2 sick 2 make it 2 the out house!!,,,,amazing hand shakes

  • @vincesuchy3724
    @vincesuchy3724 4 роки тому +1

    Well another Beautiful story and personally I have a few questions myself that I would like to ask keep up the good work coming all the way from Winnipeg Manitoba, Canada 😊👍🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

  • @duanewhite3184
    @duanewhite3184 4 роки тому +5

    I think that he stacked rocks in front of the opening of the mine

  • @stevenkimball5592
    @stevenkimball5592 5 років тому +2

    Charlie,the mine in LaBarge canyon yeilded the same gold as Waltz's. It was brought out by a Phx. Judge in the 50's. I have heard the ppl I was with on an expedition from the QCU refer to the area as " the judges crevace". This is the mine I packed a ladder to from the QCU with a three foot thick vein of milk quartz running through it. Ok, here's another tid bit to chew on. Heading south from LaBarge spring on the west side of picacho Butte at the base is Eagle rock. Turn east at Eagle rock going up the trail I helped build that follows a fissure going up the Butte. Maybe 45-60 minutes up the Butte you come to the "cut" we made. It sneaks behind a boulder where we had to cut the trees back and use the Branch's for a floor. Just past the cut is a hill so steep you can't ride your horse up it. It WAS covered with softball sized rocks but we cleared them so we could run up the hill without tripping. If you tripped pulling your horse you got trampled. This hill is about 100 yards long. I got to run up it twice i

    • @stevenkimball5592
      @stevenkimball5592 5 років тому +3

      Got to do it twice one day back to back as I was leading a pack horse that day.( That horse was on loan from Don Donnellys stable btw). At the top of the hill is a meadow where I got sick after running up the hill the second time in 100° + that day. Follow the fissure to it's origin or where it starts on the very top. Up there you will find the cave I slept in several times. It faces to the west. At night in the cave you can see the cars heading to Florence on the hiway just south of Florence jct. Now here is something not many ppl know about. Back in the summer of 93' while up there with Clay Rhineholt it was Saturday night and the mesquitos were so thick up there I was gettin dizzy from blood loss lol so we decided to start a fire in the fire pit at the center of the cave. Now mind you this was no ordinary cave but more like an ampitheater and when we lit the fire it illuminated the back wall making for quite a show in town that night. When Herb went into town Sunday morning from the QCU for breakfast at the old Feedbag he said all the old timers we're talking about the UFO in the mountains that night up top of the Butte. LoL,that was MY fire they saw that night. And yes it was at the very top of the highest point back there and I was the culprit. Wanna hear more? That's just the tip of my iceberg.

    • @bureaucratbayonet
      @bureaucratbayonet 5 років тому

      Id like to hear more. Are there many stones suitable for flintknapping out there?

    • @Davidautofull
      @Davidautofull 5 років тому

      @@bureaucratbayonet is that you Jack?

    • @bureaucratbayonet
      @bureaucratbayonet 5 років тому

      No sorry

  • @dustinjohnson3463
    @dustinjohnson3463 2 роки тому +1

    The gold ore from the Canada del Oro mines looks almost just like Dutchman ore

  • @Tyler.i.81
    @Tyler.i.81 3 роки тому +2

    Golden gold.

  • @sliceofheaven3026
    @sliceofheaven3026 19 днів тому

    The thing I dont understand is why didnt the Dutchman hire more people and guards for his mine if it was so rich in gold veins. Instead it seems he lived a relatively modest life with only that piece of gold to prove that he had any gold on him.I am inclined personally to think that he might have used his reputation as a owner of a mine with assumedly huge amounts of gold to be mined to gain favours from local people in food and maybe some other stuff also. Wouldnt also be the first time when someone told tall tales to keep himself amused at the expense of others.

  • @johnnyreb8030
    @johnnyreb8030 3 роки тому +1

    Small grays took the gold in a pollical move to keep tall whites from the gold that would have been used to repair their atmosphere. I was told this by a man that knew a man that met a gray.

  • @RoseWolf59
    @RoseWolf59 3 роки тому +1

    Jacob Waltz, a Dutchman with a German name? or perhaps a Jewish name? I think the steeling part of the story is the most best and that he was a good lier and that he is still laughing about it. He said "my mine" you should look in a spring or water area, only there you would find milk like stones and perhaps he found some. It is likely that there is no gold or goldmine at all, but that his mine, was in a spring . It is very much in the Dutch character to make a final deathbed story like this, he saw before him stumbling idiots loosing their way and their mind. Far more he loved the place and his own adventures and he made it possible to give it a try in this beautiful mystic landscape, where the wild and spirits are still gloaming like gold. The natural state of this rare landscape, is something to protect and to keep it that way, for the most people who live there, it is their still wish, to keep the mysterie alive. As you see a real Dutchmen would be around or something were water is and likes. an easy pick to do, you will not find him soon in the ground or deep cave

  • @LuckyBaldwin777
    @LuckyBaldwin777 4 роки тому +6

    According to PC Bicknell, who wrote the original newspaper article that started the lost dutchman legend, the 'deathbed confession' was told to Julia, not Holmes. Julia and Waltz both spoke German, Holmes did not. At the time, Holmes was accused of stealing the dutchman's ore after Waltz died and Julia left to go for help. Clay Worst's story is the one Holmes told to cover up his theft. Why would Waltz give his gold to a complete stranger and leave nothing to the woman that took care of him off and on for years, including the last few months of his life?

    • @bonniejohnson1518
      @bonniejohnson1518 4 роки тому +2

      the Holmes story always seemed fishy to me.....I think it was Riney and Julia that had the clues but couldn't unravel them and just became more confused...the there is the possibility its all just a freemason hoax, after one examines all the players

  • @stevendblois69
    @stevendblois69 3 роки тому

    A year late...i am Canadian. I read and write french. And english. Some spanish too. I would be happy to translate.

  • @bonniejohnson1518
    @bonniejohnson1518 4 роки тому +1

    another question is; why would the Peraltas have mines in an area where the was little geological prospects for gold.......didn't they know about the mammoth area and other good prospecting areas like goldfield, or on the east side of the superstitions?

    • @larryhedrick254
      @larryhedrick254 4 роки тому

      Part of the legend was that the Peraltas headquartered in a central location in the Superstitions and mined in all direction.
      Bluff Springs Mountain was one of the locals suggested as its cliffs offered great protection from attack.

  • @lylejohnson7591
    @lylejohnson7591 4 роки тому +1

    There is a lot of mysteries about the Superstition Mountains and Mt. Shasta.

  • @timdunnahoo8464
    @timdunnahoo8464 3 роки тому +1

    He mentions nothing about brownie homes which is somewhat surprising to me

  • @maxlife9721
    @maxlife9721 8 місяців тому

    Already compared this gold and it matched up with the bulldog area minds

    • @larryhedrick254
      @larryhedrick254 8 місяців тому

      Max:
      A non destructive test was done at the McKay school of mines in Nevada against samples from EVERY mine in the Goldfield mining district including samples from the Vulture mine at Wickenberg. The test proved that the matchbox was dissimilar to ALL mines in the area.

  • @jbmbryant
    @jbmbryant 5 років тому +5

    And yet, Ron Feldman maintains that another geologist says that the Dutchman's ore was similar to ore from the Mammoth mine (75% chance either from the Mammoth, or the Mammoth and Dutchman mines had a similar source).
    The more one studies Lost Dutchman lore, the deeper the BS.

  • @user-lb2iu8ee1o
    @user-lb2iu8ee1o 5 років тому +6

    I'll believe it when someone finds the mine other than that this is whiskey talk

  • @stevenkimball5592
    @stevenkimball5592 5 років тому +2

    Charlie,I finally got some copies of the horse/ saint maps and put together some very interesting renditions of the maps. Why do you think it says to search the maps? Simply because there are hidden maps included in them and I know what they are.

  • @Tyler.i.81
    @Tyler.i.81 3 роки тому

    I gotta get me some of that rich gold ohhh yes sir gold gold and more gold.

  • @kerrypurcell6022
    @kerrypurcell6022 4 роки тому +2

    well, you talked me into,,,,,,i am a dowser,,,,,so off to arizona i go,,,,,,

  • @mtwhatley3253
    @mtwhatley3253 4 роки тому

    I’m assuming that Holmes had the matchbox made.....passed it to his son and presumably might have sold it or gave it to Clay.

  • @Tyler.i.81
    @Tyler.i.81 3 роки тому

    I gotta get me some of that duchmans gold yes sir ie.

  • @imgone54321
    @imgone54321 5 років тому

    The Dutchman waited to long after he closed the mine up before telling anyone where they could find it.

    • @burtburt2263
      @burtburt2263 4 роки тому

      That's because it's a LIE! A FAIRY TALE! It was just 2 guy's dying of lung cancer, from a disease that they were never warned about, getting "even", with the world that made them that way! The key to good detection, is not what is TOLD in a story, but what was left out! 1. Not a PEEP about little Mrs kinky knickers, and her convenient "disappearance", less than 2 hours away from a man with supposed 50lbs of gold under his bed; To kick the bucket( without so much as a PEEP?) NOT gonna happen! 2. The "mysterious ailment", (suspiciously never mentioned), that took his life...The truth is in the second half of the old mans story: The Dutchman himself, also died of Silicosis, from breathing quartzite dust, the same as his friend...All he was doing, was trying to make meaning out of a life wasted chasing a dream, that FEW actually ever accomplish. There is no secret gold stash, and if there WERE, it would have been found a LONG time ago! You don't think the story would have at least mentioned, how much gold "what's her face"; got out of it? Not a SINGLE mention of her after she mysteriously disappears for the last 2 hours of his life...

    • @douglasmorgan9873
      @douglasmorgan9873 4 роки тому

      @@burtburt2263 so what will you say when I actually find it ?

    • @burtburt2263
      @burtburt2263 4 роки тому

      Douglas Morgan: Pics, or gtfo? I will tell you exactly where it is; At the ranch, there is a building to the immediate left, in the parking lot( looks out of place); Under the small building is a concrete slab. The original shaft/adit for the Dutchman's gold mine, is underneath that slab. It was the original adit of the already cleaned out Mammoth mine...Look on USGS geo mine locations, and it will be there.

  • @ssherrierable
    @ssherrierable 3 роки тому

    Their must be gold in other mines around there as well. Sure it's just not in 1 place.

    • @believeroftheword4627
      @believeroftheword4627 3 роки тому

      At about 14 mins in, Mr. Worst names 5 known gold mines from back in the day off the top of his head. So yeah, there were other rich deposits found.

  • @larrytownley2231
    @larrytownley2231 3 роки тому

    Too low !!! UP on the VOLUME!!!

  • @johngoerger8996
    @johngoerger8996 4 роки тому +1

    So much data so many samples so many "stories"..

  • @neilstern1694
    @neilstern1694 4 роки тому

    The gold was found, it never was in the mountain's.

  • @daveodell9605
    @daveodell9605 3 роки тому

    Did ya go to his grave and ask him help you find his mine

  • @burtburt2263
    @burtburt2263 4 роки тому +4

    "She moved him into the back of the bakery, where she could keep close watch on him..."; What? She just did it out of pity? SO, you are trying to tell me that the person closest to him; had no idea that he had 50 POUNDS of GOLD under his bed? So, she just exited stage left? Did she get lost on her way back from the Dr's office? Dude supposedly gives 50 POUNDS of gold, to a stranger off the street, when his girlfriend still slaves in a bakery? YEAH RIGHT! If you believe this BS, I have a mine in the Superstition mountains, I want to sell you...

  • @briandm33
    @briandm33 3 роки тому

    I mean guys money talks. Offer the Apache's a certain amount of money and I guarantee you atleast one of them will talk about where the gold was and will take you out there and show you. People need money and thats the real deal here is finding one Apache because they know where the Gold is. You can't be more honest here about this. If I was rich I would of done that already secretly with one Apache.

  • @brand3820
    @brand3820 4 роки тому

    The Dutchman was full of shit... Believe me, someone would have done found that mine!!

  • @krisjoy2
    @krisjoy2 5 років тому +1

    this is silly horsetalk

  • @dustinjohnson3463
    @dustinjohnson3463 2 роки тому

    48 pounds of ore then was only roughly 3000$ dollars dant add up he could pay for the black lady's debits

    • @larryhedrick254
      @larryhedrick254 2 роки тому

      Dustin
      Excellent specimens of ore often far exceed true value.

    • @dustinjohnson3463
      @dustinjohnson3463 2 роки тому +1

      @@larryhedrick254 in the 1800s they did not care about specimen ore just the gold that's in it . All went for the same price per once not many collectiors back then right ???

    • @larryhedrick254
      @larryhedrick254 2 роки тому

      Dustin Johnson
      Sorry Dustin, the jewelry made from the Gold ORE from under his bed, especially the matchbox is absolutely priceless today. If you review the story and see the matchbox, it has as much quartz as gold.
      There were several pieces of jewelry made from that ore and none were just gold.

  • @philipcallicoat9947
    @philipcallicoat9947 3 роки тому

    Lots of words...Not a speck of gold...maybe it never existed..
    Nah...It's there!!! In my mind...
    Gonna write a book about it and make tons of money from the army of idiots who insist these lies are true...

  • @efrenlozoya8720
    @efrenlozoya8720 3 роки тому +1

    Why would you wait until you're dying to reveal the secret and die poor? Dutchman could have lived a lavish life all over the world. Pure fantasy, people are so gullible.

  • @anamerican8399
    @anamerican8399 Рік тому

    I hope they NEVER find the Dutchman Mine
    - its much more valuable and inspiring as a Legend. - The real Treasures from Life comes from Adventure and being a Giving and Caring person While standing up for and defending those you love and those who aren’t able to stand up for themselves.
    DEMOCRACY is our real treasure. If Lunatic putin ran our Country like he almost did under Don The Con’s brief dictatorship putin would have sealed off the area and gone in with bulldozers and destroyed the landscape while trying to find the mine. - much as he’s attempting to Destroy Ukraine and it’s Wonderful Treasure aka its PEOPLE. Let’s not forget Folks - Being Strong for other People and Our Democracy is our REAL Treasure🇺🇸
    🇺🇦🌻🔔. Thank you Gentlemen for making this beautiful Video👏👏👏