@@evoIndia @sirishch Is it possible, by any chance, that we make a video on the 118 NE, 138 NE and all the HM Contessas? All of them were RWD and pseudo Muscle, the Contessa, and the NE was more comfortable than the Ambi, since I had one back in my college days.
Sirish… you are an absolute rockstar. One of the doyens of the Indian Auto Journalism scene. Ive been reading auto mags since they were priced at Rs 15 and back then, it was a significant debt to my pocket money allowance. But it allowed me a chance to drool and dream…Thank you and look forward to more epic content in the future
Gone but not forgotten Is literally the best car episode, which I like as it brings back a whole bunch of nostalgia to me but I haven't thought that EVO INDIA would bring back a new episode this soon
The fact is Every Episode of Gone but Not Forgotten feature the 🚗 cars which are my favourites...be it a Maruti 800/Zen/Indica/Nano/Swift & now the Mercedes. I mean how on earth a person is bringing back memories of Car enthusiasts like this...I wonder why this channel doesn't have million of subscribers...❤
Sirish, your "Gone but not Forgotten" series is iconic. Your passion, knowledge, and enthusiasm make it truly special. Your videos are well-researched, and as a car enthusiast, I eagerly look forward to them. Regarding the Mercedes W124, it stands out as one of the best Mercedes ever made, boasting solid engineering in an era before cars became heavily reliant on electronics. Keep up the great work!
One more video made straight out of the heart and not just typical boring data.. Getting both the owners of India's first W124 was a treat (and it should be a part of the thumbnail!) So glad that we had a W124 in our family for 7 years! This has to be the best W124 Indian video on UA-cam!
My first love in the luxury car category. I still have the Auto India copy of the E250 D test drive. Thanks Sirish. Brought back many sweet memories of my teenage.
My favourite Mercedes Benz car of all time ❤😅. The Overengineered Tank . The India specific model didn't have Traction control but on the other hand they did get higher ground clearance than German counterparts for dealing with Indian road conditions back then which were not so great. Anyway when GM was making inroads in India they decided to do it with Opel Astra and markteted it as a poor man's Mercedes Benz E class in 1996 but most importantly when the Astra was in its testing phase in 1995 they finetuned the suspension to take roads like W124 did and the Astra did that well at this side of 10lakhs. Ford also did the same thing thing with ikon but they went one step further by taking the Hindustan Ambassador for research in UK as it had the most comfortable rear seats and they decided to take inspiration from W124 rear suspension as it had the most sophisticated suspension set-up at the rear 😅. That's also one of the reasons why i love W124 because Sedans back then in India didn't have great ride and handling balance with suspension set to give comfort to rear passengers, not even the Esteem or cielo in 1995 ; forget about the Ambassador, Padmini , 118ne or Contessa . The W124 set the benchmark for it and thats why Indians look for good ride and handling balance in Sedans or hatchbacks . Mercedes Benz W124 has to be given credited for that ❤🤌🙌. Please do a Gone but forgotten story on Opel Astra . Honorable mentions would be for the Sipani Rover Montego as this was the 1st indian car with Turbo diesel engine 2l Turbo diesel in 1991-92 which made 90hp back then . I know it's the rarest of the rare car and will be very difficult to find but if you do please make a Gone but not forgotten on that car also.
You're right, the Opel Astra ... and after that even the Corsa... had fantastic ride. Will do a GBNF on it! As for the Montego... such a hard car to locate
@@sirishch Thank you 😊, About the Montego , I totally get it. It's in the history books now I.e. old car magazines now. There used to be a old abandoned showroom in Mumbai which had a few Rover montegos lying down in Basement parking but they were destroyed in 26th July 2005 Mumbai floods due to heavy rains 🌧. I don't remember the name of the place where but it did exist in Mumbai. They had to scrap those unsold Rover montego cars later on as they were damaged beyond repair.
whenever there's a new Gone but not forgotten episode live, I make sure i leave everything at hand and just watch the video with all my heart. Sirish always manages to grab my attention and deliver pure nostalgia, thank you for this lovely series. Waiting for many more icons of the 90's and 2000's.
Loved the way of review @sirishch sir. Loved to see the enthusiasm in your face. And i think this is the video of gbnf series that you gave without making us crave for it. We would love to see the honda city,pajero,scross 1.6,the old grand vitara and those enthusiastic diesels
We love you Sirish......... Really appreciate your dedication towards auto journalism and enthusiasm towards automobile......... Thanks for taking us back to the golden time..... God Bless You.......
Bajaj Bikes revolution... from 2stroke KB100 RTZ, then 4stroke 4S, 4S to 4S Champion... to till present. Please try to cover full line up in sequence wise.
Wow! Awesome storyline so well executed. @sirishch - you’re the best automotive UA-camr in the country today, comparable to the tons of European specialist UA-camr. Pls pls pls - start your personal channel and brand, in edition to your corporate duties. It will be a gift to all car enthusiasts. You’re awesome.
@@evoIndia well I’m glad he’s there. But as long as he can fired or replaced by the ‘corporate’ I would love to see a SC channel in addition to any corporate job. We don’t get a v8 unless we ask for it right? :-)
Nissan Teana, Honda Accord v6, Reva Maini, San Storm, Cruz, HM contessa, Daewoo ceilo n Matiz, Indica, Hexa, Pajero Lancer, Hyundai Terracan, Opel, Accent, mondeo, indigo Marina and so many cars gone but not forgotten
@@evoIndia yeah i had watched it a while ago so lancer episode got out of mind..but still montero , pajero and outlander are 3 legendary cars that should be included.
Yes it does. Though like with any other used car, have it thoroughly checked by a trusted mechanic before you buy it. And remember its still is an E-Class and its upkeep costs are going to be the same as one, even if its used.
I maybe a knob but have you lot already done a 'Gone But Not Forgotten' episode on the Chevrolet cars? Cars like the Spark, Sail, Sail-UVA, Aveo, Optra, SRV, Cruze, Captiva, etc? Just checking.
Just half a line about the Manual Transmission? Is that all, Sirish? I guess that's the norm, these days. It's sad, really sad, that in most automotive videos, motoring journalists don't even mention the word Manual anymore. They just drive the top of the line automatic for their reviews. I'm sure you could've mentioned more than just "heal and toe, it takes you back to simpler times..."
Ah the good old times...... When your high school girlfriend wouldn't marry another guy after college ended. Reliable Mercs and Reliable women, extinct in 2024.
W124 Was Great Quality Merc Ever Produce and it Still is After That Later models were Not Good quality Cars Infact They are Rubbish , Mercedes Introduce Tech and Reduce Quality Infact Mercedes Decide Thier Cars are Needlessly Over Engineered in 1994 , One thing You Did Little Commercial For Mercedes Benz, Nowdays All Models are Unreliable .
Why does this have such low numbers? Gone but not forgotten is virtually the most informative and entertaining series from an automotive channel in india.
Please bring the Forester in one of your videos, I know it's hard to find one but I will be patiently waiting, its one of my dream cars also feature the Nissan X-trail and Teana and it's generations and Hyundai Sonata and it's generations (gold, embera, transform and fluidic).......
Hi sir a recent subscriber, love to watch this series that before 2006 there were so good cars and now we just have cost cutter cars !! Btw sir I am also from Pune hadapsar😂
Hey, thanks for the suggestin Ravi! The first-gen City was an epic car. We shall try to make an episode on one soon. Until then, do check this out: ua-cam.com/video/B6j1taqbTPs/v-deo.html
Which car should we cover in the next episode of Gone But Not Forgotten?
Maruthi Esteem or Hyundai Accent (CRDI)
Omni, lancer, pajero😊❤
Santro!
2011 Toyota Corolla Altis D4D
toyota innova !
One of the most underrated Automobile channel in India!! Just love the content from you guys! Keep up guys ❤
Thank you so much for those kind words Aman! We are truly grateful for the love and support you guys have been showering us with. Humbled.
Thank you
Always my favorite channel. Especially Siri Bro❤️
@@evoIndia @sirishch Is it possible, by any chance, that we make a video on the 118 NE, 138 NE and all the HM Contessas? All of them were RWD and pseudo Muscle, the Contessa, and the NE was more comfortable than the Ambi, since I had one back in my college days.
@@aromal_rajan_pillai Thanks!
Loved making this video. Hope you guys enjoy it
Sirish… you are an absolute rockstar. One of the doyens of the Indian Auto Journalism scene. Ive been reading auto mags since they were priced at Rs 15 and back then, it was a significant debt to my pocket money allowance. But it allowed me a chance to drool and dream…Thank you and look forward to more epic content in the future
Great 👍🏼well Explained 😍... I own one W124 E250 D
Nice video, this Hagerty - Jason Cammisa format works well
"Gone but not Forgotten" series is a way for these classics to "Reclaim" their glory, in the sea of new modern cars.
A lot!
Another gem from Sirish… truly well delivered in his signature style…
Thank you Prem!
Thank you!
Gone but not forgotten Is literally the best car episode, which I like as it brings back a whole bunch of nostalgia to me but I haven't thought that EVO INDIA would bring back a new episode this soon
Haha! We won't wanna keep you guys waiting for long! We know how much you guys love the series, and we really thank you for that!
The fact is Every Episode of Gone but Not Forgotten feature the 🚗 cars which are my favourites...be it a Maruti 800/Zen/Indica/Nano/Swift & now the Mercedes.
I mean how on earth a person is bringing back memories of Car enthusiasts like this...I wonder why this channel doesn't have million of subscribers...❤
We wonder why too 🤣
Sirish, your "Gone but not Forgotten" series is iconic. Your passion, knowledge, and enthusiasm make it truly special. Your videos are well-researched, and as a car enthusiast, I eagerly look forward to them. Regarding the Mercedes W124, it stands out as one of the best Mercedes ever made, boasting solid engineering in an era before cars became heavily reliant on electronics. Keep up the great work!
Thank you for the kind words
One more video made straight out of the heart and not just typical boring data.. Getting both the owners of India's first W124 was a treat (and it should be a part of the thumbnail!)
So glad that we had a W124 in our family for 7 years! This has to be the best W124 Indian video on UA-cam!
Thank you so much for those kind words!
Thank you!
My first love in the luxury car category. I still have the Auto India copy of the E250 D test drive. Thanks Sirish. Brought back many sweet memories of my teenage.
Oh that's epic! Glad you loved it!
My favourite Mercedes Benz car of all time ❤😅. The Overengineered Tank . The India specific model didn't have Traction control but on the other hand they did get higher ground clearance than German counterparts for dealing with Indian road conditions back then which were not so great.
Anyway when GM was making inroads in India they decided to do it with Opel Astra and markteted it as a poor man's Mercedes Benz E class in 1996 but most importantly when the Astra was in its testing phase in 1995 they finetuned the suspension to take roads like W124 did and the Astra did that well at this side of 10lakhs. Ford also did the same thing thing with ikon but they went one step further by taking the Hindustan Ambassador for research in UK as it had the most comfortable rear seats and they decided to take inspiration from W124 rear suspension as it had the most sophisticated suspension set-up at the rear 😅.
That's also one of the reasons why i love W124 because Sedans back then in India didn't have great ride and handling balance with suspension set to give comfort to rear passengers, not even the Esteem or cielo in 1995 ; forget about the Ambassador, Padmini , 118ne or Contessa . The W124 set the benchmark for it and thats why Indians look for good ride and handling balance in Sedans or hatchbacks . Mercedes Benz W124 has to be given credited for that ❤🤌🙌.
Please do a Gone but forgotten story on Opel Astra .
Honorable mentions would be for the Sipani Rover Montego as this was the 1st indian car with Turbo diesel engine 2l Turbo diesel in 1991-92 which made 90hp back then . I know it's the rarest of the rare car and will be very difficult to find but if you do please make a Gone but not forgotten on that car also.
Thank you for sharing those wonderful facts!
@@evoIndia You are welcome 😊 🙌
You're right, the Opel Astra ... and after that even the Corsa... had fantastic ride. Will do a GBNF on it! As for the Montego... such a hard car to locate
@@sirishch Thank you 😊, About the Montego , I totally get it. It's in the history books now I.e. old car magazines now. There used to be a old abandoned showroom in Mumbai which had a few Rover montegos lying down in Basement parking but they were destroyed in 26th July 2005 Mumbai floods due to heavy rains 🌧. I don't remember the name of the place where but it did exist in Mumbai. They had to scrap those unsold Rover montego cars later on as they were damaged beyond repair.
You folks did an absolute justice to the legendary automobile...was fun watching it...
Humbled to hear that Neel! Thank you!
Thank you
One of the best and humblest car journalist in India: Sirish Chandran!!
🙏🙏🙏
whenever there's a new Gone but not forgotten episode live, I make sure i leave everything at hand and just watch the video with all my heart. Sirish always manages to grab my attention and deliver pure nostalgia, thank you for this lovely series. Waiting for many more icons of the 90's and 2000's.
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More to come!
Bruno Saco Masterpiece....The class apart episode..thnks sir...!!
He was a genius for sure!
Glad to hear you loved the episode Ketan!
I just don't understand why this channel has not exploded even now . Best automotive content always 👌 ❤
Aye, do share our videos with you friends, would help us a lot! :)
mystery to us also 😅
Gone but not forgotten videos are one of those very few videos seeing the notification of which makes you feel good 😊
Thank you Chinmoy
@@evoIndia you're welcome
So kind of you
I would really like to see a video about the superb or the old baleno sedan or the esteem
Thanks for the suggestion Karl! We'll try to make videos on those.
The station wagon too
We definitely will do it
Although I’m 90’s born, I literally lived the W124 era through this excellent video ❤ Thanks to sirish and team evo india ❤
Thank you so much. Please do consider liking and sharing the video. Would help us a lot! 😃
glad you enjoyed it
@@sirishch absolutely 💯
Finally watched a car video so Interesting, one of the few videos watched Fully without skipping any part.
So many interesting things we unearthed in this video!
Loved the way of review @sirishch sir. Loved to see the enthusiasm in your face. And i think this is the video of gbnf series that you gave without making us crave for it. We would love to see the honda city,pajero,scross 1.6,the old grand vitara and those enthusiastic diesels
Thank you so much Chris! We are working on more episodes, please do stay tuned!
Will do!
We love you Sirish.........
Really appreciate your dedication towards auto journalism and enthusiasm towards automobile.........
Thanks for taking us back to the golden time.....
God Bless You.......
Thank you so much for those kind words Harshad
Thank you, so kind of you
Thanks for the beautiful presentation of this beautiful machine, Mr. Sirish.
Glad you liked it! Please do consider liking and sharing the video ahead!
welcome!
One of the most detailed and exciting and entertaining automobile channel.. Started liking evo india even more...
Thank you Chandresh
Thank you
@@sirishch welcome sir.. Loved your work so much💖💖
Just look at the grace and dignity of this Mercedes W124, and the way cars of today look, don't know what to say !!
It truly looks timeless!
it's beautiful
Liked MB's slogan, Evo India made "The Best Video or No Video....." ✌️✌️
That's very kind of you!
It was my dream car, dream car of any teenager of the 90's in India..
We love this series more than anything.
Thank you for the love Pankaj! More coming up soon!
I love putting it together also!
hey! what abt standard motors???
Would you like us to make an episode on that?
Standard 2000 👍🏼
yes cuz nowadays noone knows that a company like that existed.
@@evoIndia
How do you guys even do this? 😱 so much of content and zero Bull****! This is exactly what everyone cares about!
Haha! Sirish definitely knows what you guys want, and he helps the team deliver exactly that!
In all humility, cause we love cars!
16:46 the light poles on the road are also 30 years old...
Love ur series fam ! Just an request can u make an video on Chevrolet any time in future? 😀
We did make one on the Tavera. You can check it out here if you haven't yet: ua-cam.com/video/K6aKqugjbF8/v-deo.html
Chevrolet Tavera is live on this channel
Bajaj Bikes revolution... from 2stroke KB100 RTZ, then 4stroke 4S, 4S to 4S Champion... to till present. Please try to cover full line up in sequence wise.
Thanks for the suggestion Ayush!
wil do!
An icon. This is the W124. ❤
100%
I get so happy when Sirish talks about classic cars!
He’s always excited to share and talk cars with fellow enthusiasts
I am also happy when talking about these cars
JD mamman would love this episode @talking cars
Wow! Awesome storyline so well executed. @sirishch - you’re the best automotive UA-camr in the country today, comparable to the tons of European specialist UA-camr. Pls pls pls - start your personal channel and brand, in edition to your corporate duties. It will be a gift to all car enthusiasts. You’re awesome.
Those are really kind words, but did you know evo is Sirish's brainchild? :)
@@evoIndia well I’m glad he’s there. But as long as he can fired or replaced by the ‘corporate’ I would love to see a SC channel in addition to any corporate job. We don’t get a v8 unless we ask for it right? :-)
Well, this is the channel I present on!
Dont know why whenever I see an old W124 the Top Gear's "Albanian Mafia" episode comes to my mind 🤣 Albanians still love old Mercs.
Haha! These old W124s are workhorses in many countries!
This review reminds me of “REVELATIONS”segment in the channel “HAGERTY”
That's a great series!
We Want, Mercedes Benz W124 S Class, Review, Bro ❤
We shall try!
Yakuza loved these, makes sense.
Haha!
That was the S-Class
Nissan Teana, Honda Accord v6, Reva Maini, San Storm, Cruz, HM contessa, Daewoo ceilo n Matiz, Indica, Hexa, Pajero Lancer, Hyundai Terracan, Opel, Accent, mondeo, indigo Marina and so many cars gone but not forgotten
every old merc has that mafia feel to it
Haha! Something about the way they look, isn't it?
Loved this video the best one in this series for sure.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you Dakshak!
Ek request hey aapse ek video tata sumo , victa, spacio ke upar bhi banao gone but not forgotten❤
yes sir!
please do a video on mitsubishi , montero , pajero , pajero sport , outlander and who can forget the lancer.
Do check this out Kuntal : ua-cam.com/video/B4P08B2ctr8/v-deo.html
@@evoIndia yeah i had watched it a while ago so lancer episode got out of mind..but still montero , pajero and outlander are 3 legendary cars that should be included.
Mitsubishi Lancer and Cedia is there on the channel. enjoy !
Imagine Sirishch becoming transport minister of the country !!
Hey Sirish.. a video on Hyundai accent or ford ikon would be great..
Sirish, does it make sense to buy a used w124 today?
Yes it does. Though like with any other used car, have it thoroughly checked by a trusted mechanic before you buy it. And remember its still is an E-Class and its upkeep costs are going to be the same as one, even if its used.
If you are into old cars, then definitely
Wonderfully made video 👍👍👌👌
Thank you Allen!
thank you
I can never forget that Car & Bike mag cover ❤ I was 12, I guess
Oh those sweet memories, seeing one on magazine covers and then on the streets!
I was also around that age!
THANKS FOR THIS SIR.
It was our pleasure making this one for you! :)
welcome
Can you please upload a detailed video of w123 benz
Was never made in India...
@@sirishch can you please review one
@sirishch please make a video on older generations of honda city till third generation
We shall surely try! Cheers
yup
Please do for Mahindra Major/Commander😊😊
will do
I am gonna buy this soon. ❤️
Hey Avi, we wish for your dream to come true soon! We would love to see a photo when you get it.
You will love it
Make a series on Maruti Omni
will do
Nice down the lane piece. Where can I get such a T-shirt?
I maybe a knob but have you lot already done a 'Gone But Not Forgotten' episode on the Chevrolet cars? Cars like the Spark, Sail, Sail-UVA, Aveo, Optra, SRV, Cruze, Captiva, etc? Just checking.
We did one on the Tavera, and we are planning for more! Do stay tuned. :)
@@evoIndia Sooper. Cheers Lads.
We have done on the Tavera
Pls cover Honda B-RV in the next video of gone but not forgotten
We shall try to make an episode on that soon.
@@evoIndia thank you so much. Lots of love ❤️❤️❤️❤️
BR-V too new, no?
@@sirishch yea but got discontinued 😭😭😭
1:11 Where is this place in Pune
Perfect car 🤩💥😁🙌
Amen! No wonder so many enthusiasts still want one in their garage!
The mafia benz 😂❤️
Haha! Only if we had gotten the Hammer here!
@@evoIndia 😃
Thanks for choosing this car
Glad you loved the video!
@@evoIndia your gone but not forgotten category is unavoidable . It evokes that quality of nostalgia that many similar presentations fail to do so .
Who doesn't want a W124. I really aim to get an E220 for myself
Amen, and we really hope that day comes soon for you Jose!
You'll love it
Dashboard design, air-con vents reminds Nexon dashboard!! 🧐🤔
Tata Motors, or Telco back then, did localize the W124s, took some cues for their own cars too.
Really????
Pls do a video in Hyundai TERRACAN…..it was an exotic car
Thanks for the suggestion!
Next series has to be on tata safari
We shall surely try, but until then, do check this out: ua-cam.com/video/1PWa1LoaLWQ/v-deo.html
There's already a Safari video, check it out
Can Opel Astra be next?
We shall surely try, if not next, in the near future.
Yes!
Shrish review doesn't complete without mentioning the about zen.😂😂😂
Well, the Zen is really special to him!
True that!
Just half a line about the Manual Transmission? Is that all, Sirish? I guess that's the norm, these days. It's sad, really sad, that in most automotive videos, motoring journalists don't even mention the word Manual anymore. They just drive the top of the line automatic for their reviews. I'm sure you could've mentioned more than just "heal and toe, it takes you back to simpler times..."
124❤️
💓
We want safari dicor ❤❤
There's a video on the Safari generations on the evo India channel
Ah the good old times...... When your high school girlfriend wouldn't marry another guy after college ended. Reliable Mercs and Reliable women, extinct in 2024.
Hahah! What an analogy!
hahahaaaa.....🤭
Pin this comment! ❤
Can we have a E36 video also?
We shall surely try for it! Do stay tuned.
What about sumo spacio?
All the good E-Class models ended after the 2016 model.. the long wheelbase version they brought after that was not sporty..
wow Uncle ok, turned 17
How can I buy this car🚘
It's not hard to find a W124. Used car websites and dealers, and car forums are a great place to start.
There are plenty of W124 fan pages....
YOUR BIGGEST KENYAN FAN, SUBSCRIBER, LIKER, COMMENTER RIGHT HERE, AS USUAL, 22/02/2024
Thank you so much! We hope you share our videos with your friends!
Thanks buddy
Get mitsubishi pajero 2.8 sfx.
We shall try to make an episode on that! Thank you!
❤❤
Thank you Navaneeth!
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Thank you Ravi!
🐐🔥
Thank you Anantha!
W 124 was build like a tank, sadly they dont make over engineered cars nowdays all r dabha 😂
all of 500m
Hahaha! Yes!
Ritz
now we know why you got married :)
Haha
😂😂😂 Well! I hope it wasn’t just the cars! 😄 but that’s what I still say.. it had to be someone connected to cars in some way! ❤
hahahaaaaa
Wow you got a kink of congress in you. 😂 Make in india before make india.
Before the present Government it was a Soviet nation that runned liked lada.
Shit quality Mercedes given it was made in India.
1992 scam
That was the Lexus...
W124 Was Great Quality Merc Ever Produce and it Still is After That Later models were Not Good quality Cars Infact They are Rubbish , Mercedes Introduce Tech and Reduce Quality Infact Mercedes Decide Thier Cars are Needlessly Over Engineered in 1994 , One thing You Did Little Commercial For Mercedes Benz, Nowdays All Models are Unreliable .
Mercedes benz ke pas phele se itni technology thi 1960s ke car me ac fit kr ke diya tha to 1990s me Mercedes kaha nikal gyi he
Why does this have such low numbers? Gone but not forgotten is virtually the most informative and entertaining series from an automotive channel in india.
You can always share this with your friends! Would definitely help us a lot!
8:40 I guess it's only fair to say, that we must thank Mercedes for causing Evo India to be started!
Hahaha! How things turn out to be!
if you say so 😂
Please bring the Forester in one of your videos, I know it's hard to find one but I will be patiently waiting, its one of my dream cars also feature the Nissan X-trail and Teana and it's generations and Hyundai Sonata and it's generations (gold, embera, transform and fluidic).......
Yep that might be difficult but we shall try to make an episode soon.!
Will do!
Hi sir a recent subscriber, love to watch this series that before 2006 there were so good cars and now we just have cost cutter cars !!
Btw sir I am also from Pune hadapsar😂
Honda City 1st Gen
Please make it happen
Hey, thanks for the suggestin Ravi! The first-gen City was an epic car. We shall try to make an episode on one soon.
Until then, do check this out: ua-cam.com/video/B6j1taqbTPs/v-deo.html
Super, Sirish! Loved the old pictures of Sanjay Automobiles!
Thank you so much Ajay!
Wish daddy had taken some pics of all of them with the Mercs....
Bruno Saco Masterpiece.
The Previous W123 Is Even Better in terms of Build Quality.
Especially good in that EVO guise! ;)