Stop Doing Threshold Intervals, Do These Instead | Mohorič
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- Опубліковано 24 лис 2024
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Mohoric is one of the best interviews in cycling. This clip is outstanding.
Full interview with him is in the description. He’s a great guy
He is way too intelligent for this sport
What a guy! Incredibly articulate in a second language. Combines ruthless focus, tenacity and intelligence. I’d love to see him win another monument. It’ll be when we’re not expecting it but stand up guy.
Priceless insight and wisdom. Majoric is one of probably my top 5 favorite riders of all time and I've been riding/racing/watching races for 35 yrs!
What an incredible guy Mohoric is. Another great interview.
hearing the thought processes and amount of strategic thinking and self understanding is, while not unexpected, still amazing. Thats what it takes to be at the top - you can hear similar from F1 drivers
Matej is such great guy.... real warrior
I'm going to start doing vo2 max intervals like this. Maybe 5 x 5, 40/20's with 3 minutes easy between sets. 40s @ 130%.
I think 40s @130% is too high, maybe you could do 30/30s @130%?
Mohoric, what a player! he knows tactics ! great clip!
I always thought about it like stretching a sweater out. You don’t stretch the whole thing in one go, you stretch out each arm then the body then the width.
haha what
I hope he smashes Olympic Gold and a Tdf stage win.
It all went wrong for him this spring😢
Wouldn't necessarily take his training advice that seriously, but his description of group dynamics and racing ftw are great. Cycling is crazy when it comes to the potential of the 'not strongest' rider winning.
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There are things like winning intervals, yeah, but the framing in the titlw is missleading
what does it mean all out? vo2 max pace?
Professor Mohoric
All he's describing is periodisation - this isnt ground breaking. Start very long and slow + very short and fast .... and over the season gradually work towards the middle from both ends.
And periodisation only works to about 6-8 weeks before you max out, which many amateurs don’t need. They want season long fitness across multiple distances and challenges hence z3/4 work. If you’re targeting a specific goal event then yes periodise
This is absolute gold
One of my favorite riders!
i don't feel i agree about the training idea. the notion of training lactate clearance is shaky from what i can tell. lactate is not the enemy, so much so that the body is happy to allow the liver to make it when we eat a lot of carbs. adaptations from training are complex. clearing lactate may improve as a result of other changes going on, and there are times when short efforts are good, other times when long efforts are required. context is king. great interview though!
Correct. When we listen to training tips from pro riders is fundamental to keep in mind that they have a superior engine and genetic to cope with training. Applying pro riders rules to the average cyclist is out of sense
Correct. When we listen to training tips from pro riders is fundamental to keep in mind that they have a superior engine and genetic to cope with training. Applying pro riders rules to the average cyclist is out of sense
Recycling lactate is the most important thing for the pro riders.
I think you can build the enzymes to pull lactate into mitochondria better, maybe?
Having a very efficient engine with zone 2 training helps massively with high zone 4/5 short intervals because when you're in the recovery set, the lactate is being exhausted ( got rid of) - when you repeat these frequently you're pushing your bodies ability to flush lactate quickly and more efficiently.. over time this means you can go harder for short intervals, recover and go again... It's incredibly powerful
Very interesting guy 😮☝️
my favorite cyclist
How does Z3 work for training, then? Pushing high Z3 for hours on end seems like it would build up both muscular endurance epic glycogen stores.
Not according to the science
I guess it is needed to know how it feels and be able to feed while you are doing it but other than that it's not the best way to train it.
Sprinting is the same. You train the different components individually and before practicing combining them.
@@fattttb0y Science is dumb, more z3 is more better
It's a different set of efforts for a different goal. Doing VO2Max efforts at short intervals stresses the anerobic system and builds power/strenthg outside of your aerobic zone. I.e sprinters benefit from this because their effort is "all out" at the end of the race - in the same way that if you trained doing 30/30's repeatedly maybe 1-2 times a week and you did a group ride with your pals a month /six weeks later, when you got to a short hill/rise and hit the launch button, you'd be on the gas and be able to recover quickly - just with that one effort and put your mates in trouble. ;)
For us yes but for Pro rider which have all the time in the world to train, Z2 allows them to spend more hour on the bike i guess.
milage days with jump sprint days in between are better
What kind of intervals are better than Threshold?
Interesting comment, but could be better explained in detail.
30-30 's
Maybe the intervals at competition speed (that might be treshold, or maybe faster or slower)? Frida Karlson is the best 50 km skier. She told that she did three 45 minute intervals at competition speed (50 km skiing she probably does at ca 2 or 2,5 hours). Competition speed is different in different sports and distanses. In cykling there are several competitionspeeds, it is transport speed, breakawayspeed, long and short climb speed, sprint. My guess is that for bikers its good to do very different intervals, both in speed and duration.
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VO2max intervals. Like the 30s/15s-intervals Mohoric talks about. Search for Ronnestad to learn more about it
And then there are pills and drugs, right? How are those alheimers one😅😅😅
Pure chess game.
As a research methodologist there is zero evidence that this method works zero. Another example of this is altitude training which at best has mixed results and may actually do no good at all due the fact that at altitude one cannot train as hard. Athletes are notorious believers in arcane methods. One athlete Greg Lemond had wonderful help with this and to this day the book he created is largely followed by the peloton as a proven method
Train at sea level, sleep at altitude tent.
It works for him or he wouldn't be doing it.
What’s a research methodologist? Every good researcher has to evaluate the methodology of his research.
No idea what a research methodologist is ... sounds like an appeal authority to me.
Anyway, Dylan Johnson quotes plenty of scientific evidence to support Mohoric's approach, even in athletes only training 5-7 hours a week:
ua-cam.com/video/Ju3McjlSoAg/v-deo.html
So not sure when you became the definitive source of whether there is or isn't evidence of whether this works or not
Altitude camps are just cover ups for doping let’s be real here
do what?
His ten minute intervals are not just a full effort 10 minute time trail at AT threshold. His ten minutes involve a variety of efforts that mimic full efforts at races without killing him physically and mentally. He seems focused on clearing lactate and minimizing fatigue with breaks during the efforts, it's nothing new. 30-30 style some days, other longer for aerobic capacity.
It seems about going hard in a smart sustainable way, not just going flat out.
Others might chime in with a better/shorter explanation.
Basically have short and steep ramps with short rest for 10 minutes - (power profile like a shark's dorsal fin) - what you're training isn't actually the steady state power but your body's ability to flush lactic acid more efficiently. The spikes teach your body how to flush better without being a mind numbingly tough workout.
I was confused because to my understanding, threshold intervals should feel like 6-7/10, not all out.
Thanks guys
@retiredoutside It is one of the best interviews