Excellent explanations. The "High10" profile was really the trick to unlocking HDR exports. Unfortunately though, it still feels like HDR formats are still a mess and in their infancy. It's a game-changer for sure, but a risky choice when you're unsure how the video will be deployed.
Yeah I'm not *recommending* people mess with HDR if they don't really know what they're doing, but was seeing enough issues with my students running into trouble with their cell phone videos decided to put out some basic tips on the format side
Thank you so much! I have wasted so much time on every video I make trying to fix it and often spend more time trying to correct colour than actually editing
I was trying to edit my iPhone 15 videos from my trip. Took the whole thing in 4K60 HDR and I was struggling on finding the settings to properly import and export the files. After testing I was really anxious I was gonna loose all my color detail and brightness (a lot of tutorials will gladly show how to convert HDR to SDR and call it a day lol) but thanks to your video it looks like I’m keeping it all! Still waiting for it to render and be 100% sure, will comment back if I fail
Hey Mark, great video. I wish I would have found it sooner. I am writing to ask if you know how to export an HDR video (in Premiere) so that it can also be viewed on UA-cam using either an HDR or SDR monitor? I know UA-cam will take the HDR file and create an SDR downconversion for other devices..but to work best, I think UA-cam needs to have some extra information in the file to produce the best results. It's that extra information that I am still unclear on. Do you have any tips? Thanks!
Hi - okay so I'll give you my thoughts, but I honestly haven't done this myself so I could be wrong, and I'll also note I'm certainly not an expert on UA-cam or how it works behind the scenes. This actually is kind of an interesting question and maybe I'll do a short tutorial experimenting with options and seeing what happens. Anyhow, those caveats aside, my *understanding* is that a properly exported HDR video uploaded to YT will play correctly in HDR, and it'll do its best job possible making an SDR version that will look as close as possible to the original when viewed on an SDR screen (obviously it won't look the same since you're in a different color space / gamut). So the important thing, if that understanding is accurate, is just to make sure your original file is properly encoded for YT to read and process correctly. From what I've read, I believe YT's HDR uses HLG rather than PQ, so try to export in that form, and with Rec.2020 (or may display as 2100 depending on where you're looking) color space. As to what additional metadata you'd include in the file to "produce the best results," I'm not sure what that would be or how you'd encode it. If you're talking about Dolby Vision or HDR 10+ metadata, my advice would be avoid them unless you REALLY know what you're doing, and remember that not all displays can read those so you're more likely to get something showing up wrong than just using standard HDR10 (again, unless you actually know what you're doing with those formats and how to properly encode to play back on displays not equipped for them). Hope that helps somewhat. Honestly your best bet if you're really concerned (and what I would do for a tutorial on this) would be just export several different versions/formats, upload all to YT unlisted, and then view those YT videos on several different displays (both SDR and HDR) and see how they compare. (and from what I've heard, though haven't seen myself so can't confirm, the HDR version takes awhile to process so don't expect to view them right away after uploading).
@@filmprofmark Hey, thanks so much for getting back to me. I've tried making several versions like you said, and I think you are right, that if I just export the HDR version correctly, the SDR version should look correct as well. Yeah, this whole HDR business is a bit confusing and there is no one page that really addresses the issues .....definitely be a good idea to make a UA-cam video about it I think. In the export section of Adobe Premiere, there is an Effects tab where you can choose things like Tone Mapping and SDR conform. Those were options I was thinking might help to make the video viewable on an SDR screen as well.
Ciao e grazie per il Tutorial approfondito. Possiedo un Mavic 3 e registra in HLG ed ero curioso di provare qualche export in HDR ma alla fine mi chiedo, chi li guarderà poi se (a mio parere) ci sono solo un 20% o anche meno che sa settare (anche se è cosa semplice) lo schermo per la visione in HDR?... Comunque sia, grazie infinitamente per questi approfondimenti!!!!
Yeah FWIW I put up this tutorial since I had some students getting confused by this using footage from their phones, but I still have personally been exporting everything in SDR (other than some test clips) and not using the HDR since many people don't have it or have it set right, whereas SDR pretty much uniformly available and you know how it will look.
@@filmprofmark Grazie, gentilissimo. Sarà difficile si imponga l'HDR con facilità solo per il fatto che ci vuole anche il Player che supporti tale formato. Se hai tempo guarda questo video fatto da un mio amico, bisogna impostare il monitor o TV in HDR altrimenti risulta leggibile solo in 360p. ua-cam.com/video/p7Nb6Ny9_Uc/v-deo.html quando l'ho visto sono rimasto estasiato ma pensando alle difficoltà di piena compatibilità nella condivisione mi sono fermato nei miei sogni, grazie di tutto, ciao.
I don't have 24.0 yet so can't speak to that; my version still shows "interpret footage" as an option. Are you saying in 24.0 there's a different option that works better, or has replaced this? If so please explain, would probably be helpful to others on that version
@@filmprofmark Having delved a little deeper into the process, it seems to me that you are mistaken, that on 23.6 you need to do an interpretation. Who told you this? I tried this, but nothing changed! Just check the above properties("Auto tone map media") and everything happens by itself. The fact is that 23.6 works extremely unstable under Windows, so I didn’t use it and waited for 24. On 23.1 (a very stable version) it was necessary to do an interpretation...
Excellent explanations. The "High10" profile was really the trick to unlocking HDR exports. Unfortunately though, it still feels like HDR formats are still a mess and in their infancy. It's a game-changer for sure, but a risky choice when you're unsure how the video will be deployed.
Yeah I'm not *recommending* people mess with HDR if they don't really know what they're doing, but was seeing enough issues with my students running into trouble with their cell phone videos decided to put out some basic tips on the format side
Thanks a ton! I've been really stumped on the premiere side of things with my recording pipeline, this was very helpful!
@Trigger0x10c glad this got you unstumped :-)
Thank you so much! I have wasted so much time on every video I make trying to fix it and often spend more time trying to correct colour than actually editing
Glad it was helpful!
I was trying to edit my iPhone 15 videos from my trip. Took the whole thing in 4K60 HDR and I was struggling on finding the settings to properly import and export the files. After testing I was really anxious I was gonna loose all my color detail and brightness (a lot of tutorials will gladly show how to convert HDR to SDR and call it a day lol) but thanks to your video it looks like I’m keeping it all! Still waiting for it to render and be 100% sure, will comment back if I fail
Fingers crossed!
Hey Mark, great video. I wish I would have found it sooner. I am writing to ask if you know how to export an HDR video (in Premiere) so that it can also be viewed on UA-cam using either an HDR or SDR monitor? I know UA-cam will take the HDR file and create an SDR downconversion for other devices..but to work best, I think UA-cam needs to have some extra information in the file to produce the best results. It's that extra information that I am still unclear on. Do you have any tips? Thanks!
Hi - okay so I'll give you my thoughts, but I honestly haven't done this myself so I could be wrong, and I'll also note I'm certainly not an expert on UA-cam or how it works behind the scenes. This actually is kind of an interesting question and maybe I'll do a short tutorial experimenting with options and seeing what happens.
Anyhow, those caveats aside, my *understanding* is that a properly exported HDR video uploaded to YT will play correctly in HDR, and it'll do its best job possible making an SDR version that will look as close as possible to the original when viewed on an SDR screen (obviously it won't look the same since you're in a different color space / gamut). So the important thing, if that understanding is accurate, is just to make sure your original file is properly encoded for YT to read and process correctly. From what I've read, I believe YT's HDR uses HLG rather than PQ, so try to export in that form, and with Rec.2020 (or may display as 2100 depending on where you're looking) color space.
As to what additional metadata you'd include in the file to "produce the best results," I'm not sure what that would be or how you'd encode it. If you're talking about Dolby Vision or HDR 10+ metadata, my advice would be avoid them unless you REALLY know what you're doing, and remember that not all displays can read those so you're more likely to get something showing up wrong than just using standard HDR10 (again, unless you actually know what you're doing with those formats and how to properly encode to play back on displays not equipped for them).
Hope that helps somewhat. Honestly your best bet if you're really concerned (and what I would do for a tutorial on this) would be just export several different versions/formats, upload all to YT unlisted, and then view those YT videos on several different displays (both SDR and HDR) and see how they compare. (and from what I've heard, though haven't seen myself so can't confirm, the HDR version takes awhile to process so don't expect to view them right away after uploading).
@@filmprofmark Hey, thanks so much for getting back to me. I've tried making several versions like you said, and I think you are right, that if I just export the HDR version correctly, the SDR version should look correct as well. Yeah, this whole HDR business is a bit confusing and there is no one page that really addresses the issues .....definitely be a good idea to make a UA-cam video about it I think. In the export section of Adobe Premiere, there is an Effects tab where you can choose things like Tone Mapping and SDR conform. Those were options I was thinking might help to make the video viewable on an SDR screen as well.
Thank you so much, very good explanation, it has helped me with my current project.
Yay glad it was useful!
Ciao e grazie per il Tutorial approfondito. Possiedo un Mavic 3 e registra in HLG ed ero curioso di provare qualche export in HDR ma alla fine mi chiedo, chi li guarderà poi se (a mio parere) ci sono solo un 20% o anche meno che sa settare (anche se è cosa semplice) lo schermo per la visione in HDR?... Comunque sia, grazie infinitamente per questi approfondimenti!!!!
Yeah FWIW I put up this tutorial since I had some students getting confused by this using footage from their phones, but I still have personally been exporting everything in SDR (other than some test clips) and not using the HDR since many people don't have it or have it set right, whereas SDR pretty much uniformly available and you know how it will look.
@@filmprofmark Grazie, gentilissimo. Sarà difficile si imponga l'HDR con facilità solo per il fatto che ci vuole anche il Player che supporti tale formato. Se hai tempo guarda questo video fatto da un mio amico, bisogna impostare il monitor o TV in HDR altrimenti risulta leggibile solo in 360p. ua-cam.com/video/p7Nb6Ny9_Uc/v-deo.html quando l'ho visto sono rimasto estasiato ma pensando alle difficoltà di piena compatibilità nella condivisione mi sono fermato nei miei sogni, grazie di tutto, ciao.
thank you
Welcome!
In 24.0 Premiere version not actualy already.
Not sure what this is referencing can you give more explanation?
@@filmprofmark In sequence setting were is "Auto tone map media". No need to make "Interpret footage"
I don't have 24.0 yet so can't speak to that; my version still shows "interpret footage" as an option. Are you saying in 24.0 there's a different option that works better, or has replaced this? If so please explain, would probably be helpful to others on that version
@@filmprofmark Having delved a little deeper into the process, it seems to me that you are mistaken, that on 23.6 you need to do an interpretation. Who told you this? I tried this, but nothing changed!
Just check the above properties("Auto tone map media") and everything happens by itself. The fact is that 23.6 works extremely unstable under Windows, so I didn’t use it and waited for 24.
On 23.1 (a very stable version) it was necessary to do an interpretation...
@@arkbox1 glad you found something that works for you