Colors will still change a bit once you upload them to youtube for example and everyones screens look different so youre screwed anyways 😂 BUT oh man im so glad I found this out
lmao what did you expect. From the title we all knew it was an ad for his presets of sorts. Lately this type of video from Matti has increased in number so yea
Yeah I gotta admit I've just unsubbed because of the 90% fluff, 10% content ratio in Matti's channel these days. I don't mean to be rude, but I'm just not interested in his kids, or his exercise routine. Submit personal Vlogs by all means, but title them appropriately and separate that stuff from the reviews, tips etc.
At 5:52 he GETS TO THE POINT!!! (MOST of the way through the video.) Put your personality-driven stuff for your fans at the end bro. Also, you could just not.
It's on the list when I have time to learn and move properly. Have been doing some basic grading etc to learn, but to move and be up to speed on that system will take time >.
It doesn't solve the problem entirely, unfortunately. Let's say you have a project that is the default Rec.709 color space and choose to export the video as sRGB thinking that's fix it...then your color profile matrix embedded in the video metadata will be 1-13-1 or something other than 1-1-1. UA-cam will convert the video to 1-1-1 defeating the purpose all together. There is more you have to setup in Resolve to make sure it works right and then choose color space Rec.709 on export if your footage is destined for web. It's a huge pain in the ass. There really needs to be tighter standards around all this.
@@BigFlavorFilms Of course it doesnt fix ist, i was being sarcastic. But it works much better. First thing starting with the monitor. Mine Supports switching between Colour spaces and i have calibrated every single one of them. That is the start, Not starting by displaying Rec709 in P3 and wondering what happens next :)
@@missioncreekstyle3814 We also use broadcast color calibrated monitors with a clean hardware feed from Resolve to them. Problem still exists. Looks great on the monitor then washed out on UA-cam or Quicktime.
I don’t think you saw our comments on the last video - that issue is only present dependent on which viewer you watch on. That LUT is adjusting it for QuickTime specifically
THIS WAS THE HINT I NEEDED! IT WAS THE SCREEN I WAS USING FOR MY PREVIEW MONITOR. I put the preview monitor on a better screen and now it looks the same as the exports. I cannot believe this took me so long to figure out. Thank you. You have no idea what a pain this has been.
Oh man, this has be an issue for so long! Thank you! There were times where I'd intentionally oversaturate or add more contrast to compensate for the look after the final export. Nice tip.
With the color, you might be making a different mistake Matti! The big problem is QUICKTIME - If you preview files in quicktime, the colors are ALL different from how they look naturally in other programs! I was having the same issue and it was driving me nuts. Turned out it was quicktime - Once I opened the export in VLC, colors were back to normal!
Thanks for the tip. How do you share your work with clients? Guess you're not sending them the mpg4 so they can't open in Quicktime? Maybe just the link to the upload on UA-cam or Vimeo?
The real problem is wrong metadata tags. In resolve you can tag metadata to the colorspace you graded for. Then EVERY player can display it properly. But in Premiere Colormanagament metadata Tags are not there.
This is true, but not entirely accurate. Different programmes have different settings when it comes to reading the gamma of your video. VLC and Premiere Pro read gamma similarly to each other and are set to Broadcast-video gamma standards - so, videos look the same colour-wiser between these 2 playforms. Quicktime, Final Cut, and web browsers like Safari and Chrome use another setting (Gamma 1.96). So yes, the colours will look different inside Quicktime, but you'll also find that how they look in Quicktime, is generally how they will look if you open them in Final Cut Pro X, or upload them to the internet. So it's not that one platform is more accurate than the other: it's more about where you plan to watch your final video :)
@@michaeldawson1584 We really need a plan. I don't exactly get now, which plattform needs which settings. Does someone know any list, which platform or player needs which settings? Or could someone just do it? It would be such a help, gosh. 🤯
I wouldn't put a LUT on the export, since you're altering the look for all displays when in fact the problem is caused by the display settings on newer mac's (using P3 displays (introduced in 2016?)). I'm on a 2015 MBP and tbh I immediately reacted to the skin tones being oversaturated. To solve it without altering the look for everyone not on a P3 display try changing display profile to Rec.709 which is the same as PrPro. Alternatively, preview videos in VLC which will read PrPro metadata and display correct colors, this might not be as elegant though.
Will's Cutting Room Yes I ended up with this soliton (buying an entirely new Rec.709 display) but of course that wouldn’t work ergonomically with an iMac 🖥 Using VLC definitely works - for the editor but not for the audience since UA-cam on Chrome on Mac looked much like the QuickTime version, not the VLC version in my test.
@@ctoLarssonTECH Well, buying a new monitor is a solution, maybe not as cost-effective though haha... This video offers a great TLDR solution/explanation that will make PrPro/QT/Chrome/VLC all match up without any LUT (i.e. not altering the look for everyone else too) ua-cam.com/video/YwjLuUR51gE/v-deo.html The issue with using a LUT as a solution is that the problem still exists. You're essentially adding a grade with more contrast and saturation, you might as well add the LUT in Lumetri to actually see what it does! Since QT/Chrome will display it with less contrast you end up with an image that looks like what you get in PrPro, but only on your display (and anyone else using a mac with P3 display). Basically anyone else, who isn't using a similar Mac end up getting an oversaturated and too contrasty video... What you see in PrPro is what mostly everyone not using a Mac P3 display will see, but of course you can't control that. I edit videos on a daily basis for clients, and if they have feedback on the colors we ask if they have access to a calibrated monitor (no one does), and then invite them to our office since that is the only way we both can see the exact same colors, not really a feasible solution for YT...
I’ve been struggling for YEARS with this issue. I switched to FCPX a few months ago because of this, but I miss been able to use/connect all the other Adobe softwares in the same project. YOU’RE A LIFESAVER!
I researshed a a lot on this matter. I agree that the QT-gamma lut is not good. It doesn't make the correct compensation. I have added 5% color and 3%-5% contrast to compensate for the issue. But that still not 100% correct.
@@PhilipRung are you doing the grade with the Color Management turned on? If not, make sure that is turned on first. The player, and exports should look identical whether viewed in VLC or Quicktime.
@@foundrydogworks5396 For anyone reading this, here is the Link to the Color Management page by Adobe: helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/using/color-management.html
Philip Rung I spent a lot of time with this issue a year ago and I never got it to work with a P3 Mac display. The LUT made it look nice for me - but introduced other issues other people watching the UA-cam videos. In the end I bought a Rec.709 monitor. Has anyone actually gotten this to work on a native Mac display with Premiere?
If you want perfect, you can do what we old geezers do, purchase a broadcast monitor that is in 709 colorspace. I haven't trusted the NLE UI ever. Going on 30 years now. Sorry the true fix is going to cost you $3Gs. LOL. NLE used to be much more expensive, though. My "Avid Killer" FCP/Targa 2K Pro system cost me at least $15-20K BITD. And some Avids were going for $100K! All that said, you still need a dang broadcast monitor. Check out the Flanders line.
I've been struggling with this for a while myself. Which is weird because I feel like this is a relatively new issue, past several years. This is actually a color pipeline issue and it's not just in Premiere. Davinci Resolve is the same. Matti, you're right, the default color space is Rec.709 or broadcast standard. This issue is far more prevalent when using Quicktime or when uploading to most web video platforms like UA-cam as they use the HD 1-1-1 color profile, which is Rec.709, and interpret them in their own way. Problem is most screens, besides non HDR TVs are sRGB not Rec.709. Resolve even has a new Rec.709 color settings to help address this called Rec.709-A. Man, it's a whole thing. If Resolve is setup correctly, and I'm sure Premiere too, you can confidently grade footage that will look as intended in UA-cam and other online platforms.
In Resolve, I colour grade for an sRGB output colour space and set the 'color space' tag and 'gamma tag' to Rec709. Do that the export looks the same when playing on the local PC as it does when colour grading in Resolve and with the tags set, UA-cam then presents it looking exactly the same also. If the tags were not set, then UA-cam would make it look somewhat darker due to applying some changes to it.
For the Windows users in the audience, there's a different fix if you have Nvidia - go into your nvidia control panel and change the legal range to full.
@@King_Krait I have laptop with Nvidia Ge force 1050ti. So as I figure it out the Intel Graphic card takes over the Nvidia card and disables some futures in Nvidia control panel,so I need disable it in bios I assume ))If it's possible ))))
@@mattih It's crazy the hoops you have to jump through, all because of the stupid P3 Monitor in any Mac with a built in screen. Worst. Decision. Ever. Apple.
Thanks for saving my life, Matti. The whole rest of the internet has me messing around, getting nowhere, and then you pop up with this video from 2 years ago and fix it immediately.
This is amazing timing, I've been having hell with my latest video. Looked so good in premier pro then nothing like it upon export. I was literally just thinking how come Matti or Peter have never covered this. It's such a fundamental thing to get right and I'm so glad there's a solution. THANK YOU!
This “fix” is useless without the information that explains it - where is the link to the Adobe source? Doesn’t QuickTime player still change the gamma?
The link is in the description, I believe. And yes, the advice from pros is to NOT use QuickTime to QC your video exports any longer for just such an issue. VLC is mentioned most often for both macOS and Windows computers.
@@missioncreekstyle3814 Thanks for the tip. How do you share your work with clients? Guess you're not sending them the mpg4 so they can't open in Quicktime? Maybe just the link to the upload on UA-cam or Vimeo?
I have to tell you, you are only one person on youtube, who shows how to fix this issue. Thank you man, I have this issue first time and I spend 2 days to find way to fix it, you can't even imagine how many things I have done, but nothing chaingd, befor I saw your video. ThankYou
"You can actually fix it." Cool. But ADOBE should fix it, especially if people (even experts like yourself) have been dealing with this for years. For what Adobe charges, it's not a lot to ask IMO.
If General Preferences > Display Color Management won't fix it, and the LUT isn't the fix you're looking for, then let the Product Manager know here: adobe-video.uservoice.com/forums/911233-premiere-pro/suggestions/33841903-proper-color-management-for-p3-displays He'll be notified and will read your message. Hope that helps.
Finally a good solution. Have some little difference yet, but is much better than before. When I started to understand, has a problem with compatibility with the type of screen mac uses. When going out of premiere, or other software they use rec.709, is completely different and I can't resolve with the calibrate of perfil monitor, because changes for all. Finally, a LUT to resolve, thanks very much Matti.
I used to run into this all the time with Resolve as well (on a Mac), although they fixed it with color space settings in the latest version. Honestly the only thing to me that gives me the exact same look once uploaded to UA-cam as in the editor on a mac is Final Cut. Thanks for the video - always enjoy your uploads!
Resolve does the same thing. You have to twirl down the advanced tab on the export codec and switch to full from auto. This allows levels that are out of gamut to flow through on export vs being forced into broadcast safe. As a test maybe export something that is graded in spec on the waveform and vector scope and see if it alters it. If it looks ok you could probably just drop a broadcast safe effect on before export. Just a hunch.
Matti - I'm LITERALLY freaking out - THANK YOU!!! I thought I was crazy and have been struggling with this for so long, always pumping the contrast or saturation and just crossing my fingers on the export. So helpful. Thank you so much dude, this is invaluable.
Thanks for this tip Matti. Color grading is such a craft and true science and I have come to really appreciate your approach to this COMPLEX subject when you address it from time to time. And that knife bro - yussssss
I actually ran into other problems with that LUT when I tried it a year ago. Then it looked weird on other displays instead, like PC and the TV. I also got clipping. I had a chat with an Adobe guy in some forum about it, which ended with him shouting in all caps IT’S APPLE’S FAULT 😂😂😂 Then I gave up. Will have to try again.
Exactly, using a LUT only solves it for newer mac's and creates new issues for everyone else. Changing the display profile on mac's with P3 displays will solve it
Matti Haapoja yes looks like a huge improvement on your screen. Will definitely try it out again! Thanks! This issue drove me nuts too and made me get another physical screen 📺 😅
This problem is pretty much a Mac issue, move over to PC guys ;) Used to happen all the time thanks to that stupid P3 display that Apple decided to use, Premiere just doesn't play well with it so exports look completely different to what you see in Premiere, even with the LUT it's not exact and still has some colour shifts TLDR; Apple Macs suck for colour shifts.
David Shutt Media Yep, I had a funny interaction with an Adobe guy in a forum a year or so ago about this issue, this LUT etc. It ended with him shouting “IT’S APPLE’S FAULT!” in caps lock 😆😆😆😆😆 then I gave up and went out and bought a rec.709 display. Did you ever solve it on a native Mac 🖥 💻 display?
@@ctoLarssonTECH I didnt no, I had no ends of problem with Macs and Premiere pro, took me 2 months to realise all my customers were getting crap washed out videos, luckily my new company uses PC much better! And I've swapped to resolve for the main bulk of editing which has been a dream in comparison
I have to ask Matti, did you try viewing it on different media players on your computer? Because I had this where I colour graded my videos, then tried to view them in VLC, but they just looked so different and I didn't understand why, but when I viewed them on any other player, or on a different device, it turned out the colour grade worked fine, it was just VLC for some reason.
VLC has the same color profile as Premiere, Quicktime has a more equal color profile to for example UA-cam. VLC is "correct" by that means, if you're comparing it to your Premiere footage. But it will be "wrong" for web etc.... It's a tricky one.
@@adriansphoto but that's the weird thing, VLC is the only one that looks different to me? The same files look how I intended them too after uploading them online
THANK YOU! I've struggled with this forever, and would always export to see what colors I needed to to adjust for what I ACTUALLY wanted, then export again after making those adjustments. So annoying
How new is your Mac, Justin? My 2011 never had this issue either. My 2019 5K 27" does, and it's infuriating. It is an issue found only on the newer (~2016-current) Apple wide color gamut displays.
@@zachsteinbach My personal 2010 Mac Pro (with many internal upgrades) and even my iMac Pro at work. I haven't had the issue on either permitting I hit those two check boxes when exporting.
Justin Vandergaast Got it. I’ve always checked those boxes too and, again, didn’t have the problem on the older Mac either. Definitely have it now and I’ve tried everything imaginable.
Matti, thank you so much for this! This has been such an infuriating thing about premiere and i simply gave up trying to fix it on my own... Also, this came at a great time because i just got my color correction right using your old color correction videos 👍. First time i filmed in clog and darn - things look so nice! Cheers ja iso kiitos 👊
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Wow, I actually know something the Matti didn't lol! I have also been using this for ages as I could not stand the gamma shift. It also does this in Resolve too.
The problem is full vs video levels/range. Different softwares and hosts use different levels. For instance quick time uses full, while vlc uses video/partial. You can't fix this as far as I'm aware. I'm not even sure if youtube even has a standard setting as I think different internet browsers have this problem. Davinci resolve though has much better settings for setting up how you see colors....though on mac, there are still problems....apple in general is not great for color grading without having to deal with frustrations as you have to bypass the computer's color profile.
@Jack Ieronimo yeah i know haha. I just messed up with a project actually. Tried everything to keep colorgrading the same but like you said i have to colorgrade everything again because ive used wrong settings to export.. One small tip..you can use adjustment layer on top and re-adjust the colorgrading. It worked on my last project but i quess will not work in all clips when you change colorspace,you will still have to go in and re-adjust some clips individually
@@JohnAmaro_Official I would recommend a broadcast monitor for an easy solution. For years, you could get away with not having one. If you have a Mac, it's become necessary again.
@@missioncreekstyle3814 i am working on eizo cg279x actually and i am working on a pc:) but i also own a macbook pro sometimes to double check everything.. but on resolve unfortunately colors never match 100%
dude, I work with premiere for years and years. I actually thought this was a problem with codecs or something so I color corrected my videos by compensating by eye what I know to expect when rendering. I had no idea it was actually a software default. Thank you so much... omg
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I was able to get this problem under control recently by downloading the hd709 profile and setting my Mac screen to that. Before that my colors were washed out on export.
@@lukesteichen6794 before the biggest issue was quicktime and browsers were washed out but VLC looked fine. Now after the change QT and VLC look very very close. Didn't check browser comparison
U know dude? I'm a big fan of the way you explain things, and the way you tell stories in your videos. I wish someday I could work, collab, whatever with you. Cheers from Mexico.
This has been an issue on OSX since they moved to DCI-P3 displays. It's been the bane of my existence since the iMac pro 17 came out. Rec709 colour space for PP, but Apple has different Gamma settings for P3. This fix doesn't work if you have multiple screens unfortunately, or externally calibrated screens too (EIZO etc). The best fix is a hardware video output - like blackmagic ultrastudio etc into a hardware calibrated monitor.
Matti this is the MOST HELPFUL video you have ever made, I was about to give up on Premiere Pro after trying to figure it out for so long just like you! Thank you from the bottom of my videography heart, from New Zealand 🇳🇿
It’s more a QuickTime thing. I used to get the same when exporting from resolve. Now they fixed too with a QuickTime Gamma fix just like premiere has done with that fix there. If you open it in VLC you will see it ok without the fix
Thank you, for telling us how to fix this man!! I did not even have that checked. Now, some of my videos are not the way I color graded them! Saved me time!! Good thing I did not color grade my Pilot episode for the show I am putting up onto Prime Tv. Now, I can color grade without issues.
This is the exact problem I had. Did the step in preferences and it seemed to have fixed the prob. I didn't know about the lut. I'll definitely try and see. Thanks Matti!
Colors will still change a bit once you upload them to youtube for example and everyones screens look different so youre screwed anyways 😂 BUT oh man im so glad I found this out
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Thank god! This is a huge help! Thanks Matti
I found this fix 5 months ago, and i am so happy after that!
What are the color wheels in your premiere window on the left?!
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5:52, content relevant to title begins.
Thanks a lot for saving my precious time.
Wtf, 5 minutes of unboxing stuff that has nothing to do with the video
and then the tip is to download a lut to fix your footage? :/
lmao what did you expect. From the title we all knew it was an ad for his presets of sorts. Lately this type of video from Matti has increased in number so yea
Yup more clickbait spam trying to sell you something
Yeah I gotta admit I've just unsubbed because of the 90% fluff, 10% content ratio in Matti's channel these days. I don't mean to be rude, but I'm just not interested in his kids, or his exercise routine. Submit personal Vlogs by all means, but title them appropriately and separate that stuff from the reviews, tips etc.
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@@bennygee6879 likewise.
3 years running and this video STILL SAVED my color grade.. Thanks Matti!!!
At 5:52 he GETS TO THE POINT!!! (MOST of the way through the video.) Put your personality-driven stuff for your fans at the end bro. Also, you could just not.
where's the qt gamma file, mannn
7 minutes to get to the point..... that Matt Johnson did back in June 10th of 2019.
Thankyou
Could have just fast forward lol ?
Meanwhile, Davinci Resolve Users: "Choose your colourspace to Export to..."
It's on the list when I have time to learn and move properly. Have been doing some basic grading etc to learn, but to move and be up to speed on that system will take time >.
It doesn't solve the problem entirely, unfortunately. Let's say you have a project that is the default Rec.709 color space and choose to export the video as sRGB thinking that's fix it...then your color profile matrix embedded in the video metadata will be 1-13-1 or something other than 1-1-1. UA-cam will convert the video to 1-1-1 defeating the purpose all together. There is more you have to setup in Resolve to make sure it works right and then choose color space Rec.709 on export if your footage is destined for web. It's a huge pain in the ass. There really needs to be tighter standards around all this.
@@BigFlavorFilms Of course it doesnt fix ist, i was being sarcastic. But it works much better. First thing starting with the monitor. Mine Supports switching between Colour spaces and i have calibrated every single one of them. That is the start, Not starting by displaying Rec709 in P3 and wondering what happens next :)
Be it Premiere, Resolve, or FCPX, I'm going to use a broadcast monitor to make sure what I see IS what I get. Then, I will post it online.
@@missioncreekstyle3814 We also use broadcast color calibrated monitors with a clean hardware feed from Resolve to them. Problem still exists. Looks great on the monitor then washed out on UA-cam or Quicktime.
I don’t think you saw our comments on the last video - that issue is only present dependent on which viewer you watch on. That LUT is adjusting it for QuickTime specifically
Should look fine on VLC, eh?
THIS WAS THE HINT I NEEDED! IT WAS THE SCREEN I WAS USING FOR MY PREVIEW MONITOR. I put the preview monitor on a better screen and now it looks the same as the exports. I cannot believe this took me so long to figure out. Thank you. You have no idea what a pain this has been.
Oh man, this has be an issue for so long! Thank you! There were times where I'd intentionally oversaturate or add more contrast to compensate for the look after the final export. Nice tip.
I use to do that allll the time too
We all did that until the PPro Team fashioned that LUT for us. Sorry it took this long to propagate!
With the color, you might be making a different mistake Matti! The big problem is QUICKTIME - If you preview files in quicktime, the colors are ALL different from how they look naturally in other programs! I was having the same issue and it was driving me nuts. Turned out it was quicktime - Once I opened the export in VLC, colors were back to normal!
Thanks for the tip. How do you share your work with clients? Guess you're not sending them the mpg4 so they can't open in Quicktime? Maybe just the link to the upload on UA-cam or Vimeo?
The real problem is wrong metadata tags. In resolve you can tag metadata to the colorspace you graded for. Then EVERY player can display it properly. But in Premiere Colormanagament metadata Tags are not there.
This is true, but not entirely accurate. Different programmes have different settings when it comes to reading the gamma of your video. VLC and Premiere Pro read gamma similarly to each other and are set to Broadcast-video gamma standards - so, videos look the same colour-wiser between these 2 playforms. Quicktime, Final Cut, and web browsers like Safari and Chrome use another setting (Gamma 1.96). So yes, the colours will look different inside Quicktime, but you'll also find that how they look in Quicktime, is generally how they will look if you open them in Final Cut Pro X, or upload them to the internet.
So it's not that one platform is more accurate than the other: it's more about where you plan to watch your final video :)
@@michaeldawson1584 We really need a plan. I don't exactly get now, which plattform needs which settings. Does someone know any list, which platform or player needs which settings? Or could someone just do it? It would be such a help, gosh. 🤯
@@michaeldawson1584 The best / most useful answer so far I found on this topic! Thanks Michael!
I wouldn't put a LUT on the export, since you're altering the look for all displays when in fact the problem is caused by the display settings on newer mac's (using P3 displays (introduced in 2016?)). I'm on a 2015 MBP and tbh I immediately reacted to the skin tones being oversaturated.
To solve it without altering the look for everyone not on a P3 display try changing display profile to Rec.709 which is the same as PrPro.
Alternatively, preview videos in VLC which will read PrPro metadata and display correct colors, this might not be as elegant though.
Will's Cutting Room Yes I ended up with this soliton (buying an entirely new Rec.709 display) but of course that wouldn’t work ergonomically with an iMac 🖥 Using VLC definitely works - for the editor but not for the audience since UA-cam on Chrome on Mac looked much like the QuickTime version, not the VLC version in my test.
@@ctoLarssonTECH Well, buying a new monitor is a solution, maybe not as cost-effective though haha... This video offers a great TLDR solution/explanation that will make PrPro/QT/Chrome/VLC all match up without any LUT (i.e. not altering the look for everyone else too) ua-cam.com/video/YwjLuUR51gE/v-deo.html
The issue with using a LUT as a solution is that the problem still exists. You're essentially adding a grade with more contrast and saturation, you might as well add the LUT in Lumetri to actually see what it does! Since QT/Chrome will display it with less contrast you end up with an image that looks like what you get in PrPro, but only on your display (and anyone else using a mac with P3 display). Basically anyone else, who isn't using a similar Mac end up getting an oversaturated and too contrasty video...
What you see in PrPro is what mostly everyone not using a Mac P3 display will see, but of course you can't control that. I edit videos on a daily basis for clients, and if they have feedback on the colors we ask if they have access to a calibrated monitor (no one does), and then invite them to our office since that is the only way we both can see the exact same colors, not really a feasible solution for YT...
@@wilhelm_jonsson can u clarify what u mean by “change display profile,” as in where are these settings?
ShelbyWorks check the youtube link in my previous comment, he shows where to change it in the settings
You don't have the issue on a non-P3 display. I have an old MacBook Pro. No trouble.
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I’ve been struggling for YEARS with this issue. I switched to FCPX a few months ago because of this, but I miss been able to use/connect all the other Adobe softwares in the same project. YOU’RE A LIFESAVER!
QT LUT Doesn’t help. Shadows looks darker and everything is more contrasted
I researshed a a lot on this matter. I agree that the QT-gamma lut is not good. It doesn't make the correct compensation. I have added 5% color and 3%-5% contrast to compensate for the issue. But that still not 100% correct.
@@PhilipRung are you doing the grade with the Color Management turned on? If not, make sure that is turned on first. The player, and exports should look identical whether viewed in VLC or Quicktime.
@@foundrydogworks5396 Thanks, I'm going to try it out!
@@foundrydogworks5396 For anyone reading this, here is the Link to the Color Management page by Adobe: helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/using/color-management.html
Philip Rung I spent a lot of time with this issue a year ago and I never got it to work with a P3 Mac display. The LUT made it look nice for me - but introduced other issues other people watching the UA-cam videos. In the end I bought a Rec.709 monitor. Has anyone actually gotten this to work on a native Mac display with Premiere?
I literally discovered this 4 months ago and its a game changer. It's NOT perfect - but its far better.
If you want perfect, you can do what we old geezers do, purchase a broadcast monitor that is in 709 colorspace. I haven't trusted the NLE UI ever. Going on 30 years now. Sorry the true fix is going to cost you $3Gs. LOL. NLE used to be much more expensive, though. My "Avid Killer" FCP/Targa 2K Pro system cost me at least $15-20K BITD. And some Avids were going for $100K! All that said, you still need a dang broadcast monitor. Check out the Flanders line.
I've been struggling with this for a while myself. Which is weird because I feel like this is a relatively new issue, past several years. This is actually a color pipeline issue and it's not just in Premiere. Davinci Resolve is the same. Matti, you're right, the default color space is Rec.709 or broadcast standard. This issue is far more prevalent when using Quicktime or when uploading to most web video platforms like UA-cam as they use the HD 1-1-1 color profile, which is Rec.709, and interpret them in their own way. Problem is most screens, besides non HDR TVs are sRGB not Rec.709. Resolve even has a new Rec.709 color settings to help address this called Rec.709-A. Man, it's a whole thing. If Resolve is setup correctly, and I'm sure Premiere too, you can confidently grade footage that will look as intended in UA-cam and other online platforms.
In Resolve, I colour grade for an sRGB output colour space and set the 'color space' tag and 'gamma tag' to Rec709. Do that the export looks the same when playing on the local PC as it does when colour grading in Resolve and with the tags set, UA-cam then presents it looking exactly the same also. If the tags were not set, then UA-cam would make it look somewhat darker due to applying some changes to it.
7:33 for the magic (:
For the Windows users in the audience, there's a different fix if you have Nvidia - go into your nvidia control panel and change the legal range to full.
Can't find where it is . Could toy explain with more details? Please
@@King_Krait ))) I don't have "Adjust Video Color Setting " .Very strange .
@@CardboardExpert you may need to update your Nvidia drivers then
@@danfox2575 I am trying now )
@@King_Krait I have laptop with Nvidia Ge force 1050ti. So as I figure it out the Intel Graphic card takes over the Nvidia card and disables some futures in Nvidia control panel,so I need disable it in bios I assume ))If it's possible ))))
Finally a non comparison video between the R5 & the Sony A7SIII. That thing is everywhere lol. Thanks for the upload Matti 👍
😂 camera burn out
Matti Haapoja 🤣😅
Good to see Kai back❤️
Here I am oversaturing in premiere to compensate, I'll have to give this a go!
Same!!! I’ve been doing that for so long and hated it
I'm learning Premiere, we use it allot! And Photoshop and Illustrator!
Same! Literally every export. "Don't worry it's not actually going to look like this after I export..."
@@mattih It's crazy the hoops you have to jump through, all because of the stupid P3 Monitor in any Mac with a built in screen. Worst. Decision. Ever. Apple.
@@visualventures QuickTime is a horrible preview application these days. Try VLC so you don't have to tap dance in front of your clients.
Thanks for saving my life, Matti. The whole rest of the internet has me messing around, getting nowhere, and then you pop up with this video from 2 years ago and fix it immediately.
This is amazing timing, I've been having hell with my latest video. Looked so good in premier pro then nothing like it upon export. I was literally just thinking how come Matti or Peter have never covered this. It's such a fundamental thing to get right and I'm so glad there's a solution. THANK YOU!
Can't tell you how much I love you for this short video I've felt so dump checking all my Export settings for any possibility of color change 😂❤
This “fix” is useless without the information that explains it - where is the link to the Adobe source? Doesn’t QuickTime player still change the gamma?
The link is in the description, I believe. And yes, the advice from pros is to NOT use QuickTime to QC your video exports any longer for just such an issue. VLC is mentioned most often for both macOS and Windows computers.
@@missioncreekstyle3814 Thanks for the tip. How do you share your work with clients? Guess you're not sending them the mpg4 so they can't open in Quicktime? Maybe just the link to the upload on UA-cam or Vimeo?
FINALLY THANK YOU! This has been driving me crazy!
A typical Matti video: Teases you with what the video is actually about, then doesn't actually get to it until halfway through the video.
I have to tell you, you are only one person on youtube, who shows how to fix this issue. Thank you man, I have this issue first time and I spend 2 days to find way to fix it, you can't even imagine how many things I have done, but nothing chaingd, befor I saw your video. ThankYou
"You can actually fix it."
Cool. But ADOBE should fix it, especially if people (even experts like yourself) have been dealing with this for years. For what Adobe charges, it's not a lot to ask IMO.
If General Preferences > Display Color Management won't fix it, and the LUT isn't the fix you're looking for, then let the Product Manager know here: adobe-video.uservoice.com/forums/911233-premiere-pro/suggestions/33841903-proper-color-management-for-p3-displays He'll be notified and will read your message. Hope that helps.
Finally a good solution. Have some little difference yet, but is much better than before. When I started to understand, has a problem with compatibility with the type of screen mac uses. When going out of premiere, or other software they use rec.709, is completely different and I can't resolve with the calibrate of perfil monitor, because changes for all. Finally, a LUT to resolve, thanks very much Matti.
I just wish when it comes to a final upload, it wouldn’t change the quality. I work hard for that HD 😂
Export in 4k ;) it’s the biggest secret to making your HD look better online
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Matti Haapoja Lossless upscale right? I wish Davinci could do that.
Matti Haapoja Thanks man, gonna keep that in mind for next time. 🙏
@@mattih how?? Please make a video :)
Broooooooooooooo, literally you save my final project from college, maaaan thank you so damn much, You're The GOAT
I used to run into this all the time with Resolve as well (on a Mac), although they fixed it with color space settings in the latest version. Honestly the only thing to me that gives me the exact same look once uploaded to UA-cam as in the editor on a mac is Final Cut.
Thanks for the video - always enjoy your uploads!
Awesome 🙌🏻
Hello Brian or Bradford!
@@CamTalksTech Brian here - hello! 👋🏻
Worship Tutorials here?? Amen!
Cant believe this is the whole reason why my grades from Davinci have been less contrasted! You saved me man!
Resolve does the same thing. You have to twirl down the advanced tab on the export codec and switch to full from auto. This allows levels that are out of gamut to flow through on export vs being forced into broadcast safe. As a test maybe export something that is graded in spec on the waveform and vector scope and see if it alters it. If it looks ok you could probably just drop a broadcast safe effect on before export. Just a hunch.
How do I get to this...Thnx
This has driven me insane for so long and I've never been able to figure out how to fix it! You have done the Lord's work. lol.
Is it me or is there no link for that LUT? 😅
It’s gone
Does the Video have any value without the „compenstaion lut” ?
I been waiting the vlog, seeing you since 2 weeks, I'm learning a lot about UA-cam vlogging, color grade, etc thanks Matti!
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Matti - I'm LITERALLY freaking out - THANK YOU!!! I thought I was crazy and have been struggling with this for so long, always pumping the contrast or saturation and just crossing my fingers on the export. So helpful. Thank you so much dude, this is invaluable.
I had been asking myself this for years, I was tired of this. I LOVE YOU!!!!
Jokes on you!! My premiere crashed before I could export the vid 😂
Give your system and media details. Maybe the community can assist? Unless you're just joking.
Thanks for this tip Matti. Color grading is such a craft and true science and I have come to really appreciate your approach to this COMPLEX subject when you address it from time to time.
And that knife bro - yussssss
I actually ran into other problems with that LUT when I tried it a year ago. Then it looked weird on other displays instead, like PC and the TV. I also got clipping. I had a chat with an Adobe guy in some forum about it, which ended with him shouting in all caps IT’S APPLE’S FAULT 😂😂😂 Then I gave up. Will have to try again.
Exactly, using a LUT only solves it for newer mac's and creates new issues for everyone else. Changing the display profile on mac's with P3 displays will solve it
Haha yep it’s always gonna be a battle. But I would rather the colours come out closer to how i intended in the first place.
Matti Haapoja yes looks like a huge improvement on your screen. Will definitely try it out again! Thanks! This issue drove me nuts too and made me get another physical screen 📺 😅
@@mattih Davinci Resolve allows you to do that ;)
Will's Cutting Room Will, what do you change it to? Do you do any additional modifications?
As a beginner, I was doubting display colors of my M2 mac. Thanks big time
This problem is pretty much a Mac issue, move over to PC guys ;)
Used to happen all the time thanks to that stupid P3 display that Apple decided to use, Premiere just doesn't play well with it so exports look completely different to what you see in Premiere, even with the LUT it's not exact and still has some colour shifts
TLDR; Apple Macs suck for colour shifts.
David Shutt Media Yep, I had a funny interaction with an Adobe guy in a forum a year or so ago about this issue, this LUT etc. It ended with him shouting “IT’S APPLE’S FAULT!” in caps lock 😆😆😆😆😆 then I gave up and went out and bought a rec.709 display. Did you ever solve it on a native Mac 🖥 💻 display?
@@ctoLarssonTECH I didnt no, I had no ends of problem with Macs and Premiere pro, took me 2 months to realise all my customers were getting crap washed out videos, luckily my new company uses PC much better! And I've swapped to resolve for the main bulk of editing which has been a dream in comparison
I was facing the same issue, I was working with the footage shot in .Braw however this video is very helpful, it worked for me! thanks Matti 🙌🏽
I have to ask Matti, did you try viewing it on different media players on your computer? Because I had this where I colour graded my videos, then tried to view them in VLC, but they just looked so different and I didn't understand why, but when I viewed them on any other player, or on a different device, it turned out the colour grade worked fine, it was just VLC for some reason.
VLC has the same color profile as Premiere, Quicktime has a more equal color profile to for example UA-cam. VLC is "correct" by that means, if you're comparing it to your Premiere footage. But it will be "wrong" for web etc.... It's a tricky one.
@@adriansphoto but that's the weird thing, VLC is the only one that looks different to me? The same files look how I intended them too after uploading them online
Thanks for the file. You save my work with this video. Good luck in every project you have!👏👏
LMAOOO THAT CROCODILE DUNDEE MEME !
THANK YOU!
I've struggled with this forever, and would always export to see what colors I needed to to adjust for what I ACTUALLY wanted, then export again after making those adjustments. So annoying
Soooo annoying! I’ve always hated that part
I had this issue but then selected 'Render at Maximum Depth" and 'Use Maximum Render Quality' and I've never had it again.
Yup always export with maximum render quality !
How new is your Mac, Justin? My 2011 never had this issue either. My 2019 5K 27" does, and it's infuriating. It is an issue found only on the newer (~2016-current) Apple wide color gamut displays.
@@zachsteinbach My personal 2010 Mac Pro (with many internal upgrades) and even my iMac Pro at work. I haven't had the issue on either permitting I hit those two check boxes when exporting.
This never worked for me, I have to use the lut like matti
Justin Vandergaast Got it. I’ve always checked those boxes too and, again, didn’t have the problem on the older Mac either. Definitely have it now and I’ve tried everything imaginable.
I love your vlogs, keep doing them. You're turning into a mini Casey, and that's the best compliment I can give.
Thanks for restoring our friendship man -- damn cameras always getting in the way
All this years i thought this was a color calibration issue, I just removed the color calibrator tool from my cart saved me money. Thank you 😊
Matti, thank you so much for this! This has been such an infuriating thing about premiere and i simply gave up trying to fix it on my own... Also, this came at a great time because i just got my color correction right using your old color correction videos 👍. First time i filmed in clog and darn - things look so nice!
Cheers ja iso kiitos 👊
So good 🙌🏻
THANK YOU!!! Full time pro here and noticed exports on my new workstation looked washed out. I'll fix this when i get to work in a couple hours 😊🎬
Thumbs down for taking 8 minutes to get to subject of the video in the title.
Thank you!! Was just dealing with this issue and exported my latest with the compensation lut and came out PERFECT!
Subscribed 🙏🏼
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Hope you like it and for all the commenters that code is working for everybody and will work for ever.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you, I've been struggle as well with same issue in Premiere.
All the best!
hahaha this is so relateable! I have asked the "WHY" several times to myself! Thank you for fixing the problem for all of us 😂
just tried it out! works great! Thanks Matti.. love from Africa, Botswana
I’ve been doing this fix for years. It’s sooooo annoying
Wow, I actually know something the Matti didn't lol! I have also been using this for ages as I could not stand the gamma shift. It also does this in Resolve too.
Another option is to export in ProRes, as it doesn’t seem to have the same issue. The file size is much larger however
sounds like it.
Love that fridge....
"Cheapest version of a screencap".
Probably filming on a 3k+ setup 🤣
A 3k set up can built over time tho! :)
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE THIS HAPPENED TO! I am forever in your debt, just kind of wish you made this a long long time ago lol
Thank you, this happens to me with all my exports!
The problem is full vs video levels/range. Different softwares and hosts use different levels. For instance quick time uses full, while vlc uses video/partial. You can't fix this as far as I'm aware. I'm not even sure if youtube even has a standard setting as I think different internet browsers have this problem. Davinci resolve though has much better settings for setting up how you see colors....though on mac, there are still problems....apple in general is not great for color grading without having to deal with frustrations as you have to bypass the computer's color profile.
I haven't been this early for a video since the dinosaurs went extinct
Thank you mat for the explanation, i have a some issue, but when i watch your video, Everthing is fix.
I think the title you were looking for was “Why FCPX is better” 😉
WOOHHOO FINALLY!! Thanks Matti :D
This is just embarrassing. Not a solution. Glad I switched to resolve a while ago
@Jack Ieronimo yes i am getting this problem with resolve..did u find any solution?
@Jack Ieronimo yeah i know haha. I just messed up with a project actually. Tried everything to keep colorgrading the same but like you said i have to colorgrade everything again because ive used wrong settings to export..
One small tip..you can use adjustment layer on top and re-adjust the colorgrading. It worked on my last project but i quess will not work in all clips when you change colorspace,you will still have to go in and re-adjust some clips individually
@@JohnAmaro_Official I would recommend a broadcast monitor for an easy solution. For years, you could get away with not having one. If you have a Mac, it's become necessary again.
@@missioncreekstyle3814 i am working on eizo cg279x actually and i am working on a pc:) but i also own a macbook pro sometimes to double check everything.. but on resolve unfortunately colors never match 100%
just want to say this is helpful to this day, thanks so much been hurting my head on this for a while really helped
5:52 - You're welcome
👏Dude! I am so excited for this fix! I even added some adobe people last year at Adobe MAX, and they were stumped. Great find!!!
It’s a QT issue. Open the vid in VLC and I’ll look the same as in Pr.
But that doesn’t solve the issue of when you upload it to UA-cam or somewhere else it doesn’t get interpreted like in VLC
@@mattih It does - If I output and look at the grade in QT it is flat / VLC is perfect. UA-cam is always like VLC. I am sure it is a QT viewing issue.
Nigel Danson true man!
Matti Haapoja i also worked with this QT lut. It helps you out with QT. Only.
@@mattih erm. yes it does, its been a thing like forever that qt messes with gamma,
Reminds me good old times Casey unpack stuff. Thanks!
I have the same issue. What I did was was used software encoding at export, colours then came out like in Premiere. Weird
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dude, I work with premiere for years and years. I actually thought this was a problem with codecs or something so I color corrected my videos by compensating by eye what I know to expect when rendering. I had no idea it was actually a software default. Thank you so much... omg
I heard you mentioned you want to visit the Faroe Islands?! I've been there and want to go back soooooo bad! Wanna join up together and create some awesome content? :D I can guide you around :p
I was able to get this problem under control recently by downloading the hd709 profile and setting my Mac screen to that. Before that my colors were washed out on export.
Did you few your exports on different browsers after changing your screen? Did they look the same/different?
@@lukesteichen6794 before the biggest issue was quicktime and browsers were washed out but VLC looked fine. Now after the change QT and VLC look very very close. Didn't check browser comparison
So you're not moving FCPX?? I guess FCPX works much faster than Premiere right??
Have you seen the video that was edited in fcpx lol eos r5 review i think
Everything was orange
Great video! If feels like this is the struggle of Graphic Designers!
Thanks man. I have always wondered why i exported videos different. Glad i have the answer
the unintentional Crocodile Dundee quote
I've been using this LUT for a year now, happy you've found it!
Just seen this... and it saved my life... well kinda, great video, excellent solution!
U know dude? I'm a big fan of the way you explain things, and the way you tell stories in your videos. I wish someday I could work, collab, whatever with you. Cheers from Mexico.
[Mac Users] File > Project Settings > Color > Viewer Gamma > Change in the dropdown to "1.96 (Quick Time)"
I just unchecked "render at maximum depth" under the video tab and checked the
"use maximum render quality" works for me 👍🏻
idk how to color grade but when ill do grade this vifeo will help me alot!!!Thanks Matti Love from Nepal
This has been an issue on OSX since they moved to DCI-P3 displays. It's been the bane of my existence since the iMac pro 17 came out. Rec709 colour space for PP, but Apple has different Gamma settings for P3. This fix doesn't work if you have multiple screens unfortunately, or externally calibrated screens too (EIZO etc). The best fix is a hardware video output - like blackmagic ultrastudio etc into a hardware calibrated monitor.
Matti this is the MOST HELPFUL video you have ever made, I was about to give up on Premiere Pro after trying to figure it out for so long just like you! Thank you from the bottom of my videography heart, from New Zealand 🇳🇿
Missed you man, and thank you for the Premiere color solution! I know my team and I have been ridiculously annoyed by the export differences...
It’s more a QuickTime thing. I used to get the same when exporting from resolve. Now they fixed too with a QuickTime Gamma fix just like premiere has done with that fix there. If you open it in VLC you will see it ok without the fix
Thank you, for telling us how to fix this man!! I did not even have that checked. Now, some of my videos are not the way I color graded them! Saved me time!! Good thing I did not color grade my Pilot episode for the show I am putting up onto Prime Tv. Now, I can color grade without issues.
This is the exact problem I had. Did the step in preferences and it seemed to have fixed the prob. I didn't know about the lut. I'll definitely try and see. Thanks Matti!
First! Another one Matti! Great work! I learn so much from you! My videos have improved a bit.