I have on order so I'm watching everything I can to gain some foresight. I must say, you have taken this to another level - and to another era. That thing looks like the original American patent machine from the 1850's. The relief work on the limbs looks like something right out of Samuel Colt's factory, or a British Enfield foundry shop. Beautiful job!
I reamed out the cast iron shaft support and utilized a bronze bearing as you mentioned . Rock solid now . Thanks for the video and skilled workmanship .
Thanks for a fine video, some good workmanship, was really pleased to see you casting your own part, I've had one of these for a couple of months, done some patching up immediately, but haven't gotten into doing the bearings, and I'm thinking of putting a bearing in the toe of the lever you put a wiper on. It only bears hard when it's first engaging, moving the foot, once over the hump, it's coasting on the cam surface. I'd planned on replacing the ball bearing, but hadn't decide what to do about that back one, and I decided to do as you did, and put the equal ball bearing in a new pillar. Enjoyed the accent, while the work looked and sounded very familiar, even for a yank. Thanks, mate.
Can you take some glamor shots of the machine and post them somewhere? I'm really liking the look of the brass and stainless on the black cast iron. The wooden additions take up to another level.
I must have got a good one, almost no excessive play anywhere. I greased and oiled all pivots and friction surfaces and it turns with almost no effort.
Time and again I return to watch your patcher videos, and never grow bored. Could you let us know where you purchased the steel rod and bearing? I'm planning to motorise my machine, and those parts will make a huge difference. Many thanks.
Looks good. Thanks for sharing and inspiring. Any thing you would have done different if to do again? Anything further? I'm hoping to make some improvements on one myself....
Very nice! I just picked up my own Chinese Shoe Patcher and was trying to think of things I could do to make it work better. I may not go to the extent you did but you definitely gave me many great ideas. Thank you! The cylindrical part at the front of the machine that houses the presser foot mechanism seems to grind but as I spin the foot around. I didn't see any modifications on your machine for that part. Is that still in the works, or does that portion of your machine spin satisfactorily? Also, as I spin that part around I see that the spring loaded arm in the back rises and falls slightly so there's definitely some misalignment there. The bobbin winder is a mess.
Most machinists I know have a thing about not working wood in metal lathes and mills, because sawdust gets everywhere and soaks up lubricating oil out of all the places it needs to be.
Yeah, I enjoyed your video, but that kind ofwork is is out of my skill set. I'm still thinking about getting one of those patchers, but I don't want to patch my patcher before I get to use it.
Methylated spirit is a spirit alcohol, you could try experimenting with white spirit but it'll take ages to evaporate, and I've found it works best if you build up several thin layers.
@@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006 Great Thanks for the quick response. They sell some material here for that same purpose but costly. Like the way you melted brass in a metal pot.. if it works I'll give that a go too. Good wishes.
It's pretty wasteful melting brass on the forge, it consumes a lot of coal but gets the job done! That pot is the bottom of a gas bottle like you'd get oxygen in, not the lightweight propane bottles.
I REMEMBERED YOU TALKING ABOUT "OPEN BEARINGS" BEHIND THE FLYWHEEL SHAFT, but I received one the other day with a sealed bearing, but the item had problems, here is a post I put on another video of someone elses).....I received my shoe patcher the other day, ...heavily damaged, but fixable, seller and me "negotiated" a partial refund of $40(machine was $104 shipped ebay in the USA, making it a $64 machine now), and basically the box arrives, there is a little wear hole in a otherwise nice box, I get it out and the #15 thread bounding plate that holds the #14 bounding arm is bent over the long main top arm and warped bad below as well, the #14 arm on the plate is slightly bent, the spring for that is basically destroyed(flattened and stretched), and the metal wire loop guide for the #14 thread bounding lever is bent downward and partially pulled out of the top hole, but can be beat back up with some work, and the other metal parts can be straigtened, and it was missing some hardware bolts and nuts for attaching the legs,......unsure if I want to use the legs or improve them with thicker pipe place over to prove a point if the legs are useable somehow, but might just attach it to wood like everyone else. So my machine cost me $64 basically, but I worry about finding the right spring replacement. I swear to god that the thick metal loop on the front that is welded to the top arm is bent more down than what other people have, seems to work through, and I didn't know these came with two shuttle carriers, two shuttles, and four bobbins cause I ordered five sets of those from Hong Kong to arrive next month. I suspect the machine was pre damaged before boxing up wherever they do that, who knows. I noticed the main bearing behind the hand crank wheel is a sealed bearing, I noted in other peoples videos that a person wished it wasn't an open style bearing cause that machinist would have liked to mill out the bearing hole for sealed bearings but worried about the strength/thickness of the cast iron there, if true then the newer ones have sealed bearings not requiring greasing like the older imports, ...unsure if that is the case but I swear I heard that and seen it, but it means a replacement bearing can be purchased,....errrr, if I ever really really wear it out somehow. Looks like a bicycle hub sealed bearing, I know cause I have some el cheapo big box store chinese made bikes, that is what they used these days most of the time I understand, not loose bearings like back in the old days. Machine was not all full of grease, just oily. Its still an aggravation to have to fix it before I can use it, but it appears to be operational with the bent parts removed, so dunno, wish me luck. The box was just plain brown cardboard and foam was very destroyed on one side, and there are no chinese characters on the machine, just a chipped green paint.
When I think about it, I don't like the sealed bearing, or my concern is with the quality of the sealed bearing and how much grease, if any, is inside the bearing. Really, all I need is a quality bearing and a better support on the other side, wished they put a bearing there, but eh, ya know, it is what it is. Ya know these are copies of late 1800s western made shoe patchers, seen a video on youtube of a Hugo Wertheim made shoe patcher machine from the late 1800's, see something similar on a treddle style table for a $1000 on ebay from the late 1800's. The original western made shoe patchers were of course better made originally, so the chinese didn't design this style shoe patcher, they copied them, maybe you already know that. . In fact, I swear I could pry the plastic seal off the bearing in order to grease it, or the real fix it remove it, measure it, get a high quality replacement. I of course worry about axial and radial run out,..play, of course there is radial run out at the support base on the opposite side as is usual,....I don't like that and I think a bearing should be there, or a quality common size bushing. I could have pushed to just have this machine be free with ebay buyer protections, since the seller obviously filed for a courier insurance coverage and was playing hardball after I provided the damage photos, I know, cause I've been protected before with ebay paypal credit buyer protections, but I don't like to anger a company I might accidently order from again in the future, I'd like get several of these and play around with modifications to them, maybe welding on upper gussets to strengthen the upper arm, stuff like that, ....improvements, probably a waste of my time and welding rod and materials for the uses I really need it for. I might take this one or another and make a copy of the treddle table I seen to make one look and operate like a vintage 1800's machine. As some folks know, even case iron can be welded with the latest methods, ways of changing the looks or increasing strength of the main body, dunno, I've done cast iron welding before,.....carefully with success, cylinder heads for rare engine......well, the welding on the cast iron,...a stupid idea just to change the visual profile, not really serious. The whole thing give me an idea, one of making a similar machine by hand, of plasma arc cut parts and welded frame, also using basic tools cause I don't have a lathe.
Also, I think the fit of the shaft to the flywheel is now in tighter tolerance cause I can tell, its very tight to install on shaft, and I almost needed a gear puller to remove it, same when installed and wanting to remove again, ...I guess that is good, really.
@@budwhite3570 wow, exciting times ahead for you my friend! Agree completely, not much point upgrading the sealed bearing till you can get rid of the play in the rear end of that shaft, my main cause of concern with the open bearing was the grit that was already in it, and having rough machined iron on iron wear surfaces, these machines generate their own fresh grit every time you turn the handle! Get in touch if you want me to measure anything to help get your arms set up again. Like you, the more I look at it, the greater the temptation is to just start from scratch but because im doing a lot of machine sewing now it's likely I'll just get a second hand industrial machine instead. Good luck and enjoy yourself, they are lots of fun!
Hi: Many thanks for your excellent vids. My patcher is due at the end of July, and I'll certainly fettle and tart-up as you have. I do at least have a lathe, which will help.Your foot lift lever looks impressive, but I can't see your vid to cover that. There's a market for exchange pre-finished parts for this machine. A business opportunity? Where did you source your patcher? I've gone via Amazon, but they're now double their original price. Ouch! In the States parts are easily obtained from Bantam. There doesn't seem to be a similar source here in the UK. The new Patcher Facebook group is very useful. Lots of ideas and photographs.
Looking very good. I take it that it is basically a sewing machine, in which case I presume there is also thread in the bottom bit. What does that look like? Also where did you get it from?
Yes, a simplified heavy sewing machine, the bobbin holding the bottom thread is especially small by any standard in order to reach the toe of a boot but that means it holds very little thread, I haven't covered the bobbin in this series as I'm still figuring out how to mount a bigger one.
I'm on Leicester's doorstep, the city that clothed the empire, second hand machines are cheap and plentiful, I just have no idea what I am looking at! I did a bit of sewing at college but that was all handstitched repairs on fabric covered aircraft following schemes that gave instructions for thread and needle sizes but now I just don't have a clue on the sizes until I actually use it and it either looks right or wrong so this is a really good way for me to get some experience.
Yeah, I have Chinese leather stitching machines, I'll just step out to my metal shop an use my 1-ton lathe, sitting next to my 300lb anvil an metal forge to make new case hardened steel bearings. Where does all this equipment come from?
I have on order so I'm watching everything I can to gain some foresight. I must say, you have taken this to another level - and to another era. That thing looks like the original American patent machine from the 1850's. The relief work on the limbs looks like something right out of Samuel Colt's factory, or a British Enfield foundry shop. Beautiful job!
I reamed out the cast iron shaft support and utilized a bronze bearing as you mentioned . Rock solid now . Thanks for the video and skilled workmanship .
After all the mods you won’t be able to get rid of this machine ever.
Nice job!
A slightly hesitant delivery and splendidly dilapidated shed hide an ingenious mind and impressive skills!
That's a nice comment cheers mate
Man not only did I enjoy ur video but what u did was really impressive
I liked the dramatic pause after “following hardening” lols. I’m enjoying this series homie
Good stuff, I'll see if I can muster any more drama for the next one
Are you kidding me, you forged your own brass to machine your own parts. God I feel so outclassed. Your who I want to be when I grow up.
Now your sewing machine is a piece of working art ,It will be look at by people who can see the great workmanship that has gone into your Art..
Great video and very nice work. I especially like the fact that you provide basic tool alternatives for those of us who don't have machining tools!
Absolutely amazing work!
Very nice upgrades and execution of them!
Thank you my friend
I’ve done a few things already but you’ve inspired me. Love the presser foot lock up lever. I’ve subscribed.
Thanks for a fine video, some good workmanship, was really pleased to see you casting your own part, I've had one of these for a couple of months, done some patching up immediately, but haven't gotten into doing the bearings, and I'm thinking of putting a bearing in the toe of the lever you put a wiper on. It only bears hard when it's first engaging, moving the foot, once over the hump, it's coasting on the cam surface. I'd planned on replacing the ball bearing, but hadn't decide what to do about that back one, and I decided to do as you did, and put the equal ball bearing in a new pillar. Enjoyed the accent, while the work looked and sounded very familiar, even for a yank. Thanks, mate.
That's a lot of skilled work going on there!
Thanks Vinnie
Amazing! It’s looking like an 19th century machine!
Larvly bit of brass makes all the difference!
You are like a mix of Diresta, Abom79, and 1puglife Enjoying your projects
Your walking foot lifter linkage is a very elegant solution to the original design inconvenience.
excellent work, thanks for the inspiration
Looking great mate, sometimes the buy from China and upgrade it yourself routine can work out great.
Reminds me of the great old British Pathé Films of yesteryear, do it in black&white next time for the nostalgics :)
Nice idea
Add a flat cap and a roll up in your mouth and you have yourself some British pathe footage
£10 not bad .its got to be worth £ 300 or more now . Great video well done mate.👍🇬🇧🍺
Ha! I think I might have voided the legendary warranty on it
Excellent video. Thank you sir.
Its an old 10 note, very good video , I wish I had your know how
I salute you and your skills!
Can you take some glamor shots of the machine and post them somewhere? I'm really liking the look of the brass and stainless on the black cast iron. The wooden additions take up to another level.
Wow, this is so good. I wish I could get my machine to you for repair as I received it damaged - the needle is knocking on the foot.
Good video, nice work Mate
Cheers hombre
I must have got a good one, almost no excessive play anywhere. I greased and oiled all pivots and friction surfaces and it turns with almost no effort.
Time and again I return to watch your patcher videos, and never grow bored. Could you let us know where you purchased the steel rod and bearing? I'm planning to motorise my machine, and those parts will make a huge difference. Many thanks.
Looks good. Thanks for sharing and inspiring. Any thing you would have done different if to do again? Anything further? I'm hoping to make some improvements on one myself....
Great series of videos!
Do you have any specific details of the cam timing?
Is that admiralty brass
Bloody good job
incredible! Did you ever get a chance to use it for sewing?
Amazing work,!!!
Very nice!
I just picked up my own Chinese Shoe Patcher and was trying to think of things I could do to make it work better. I may not go to the extent you did but you definitely gave me many great ideas. Thank you!
The cylindrical part at the front of the machine that houses the presser foot mechanism seems to grind but as I spin the foot around. I didn't see any modifications on your machine for that part. Is that still in the works, or does that portion of your machine spin satisfactorily? Also, as I spin that part around I see that the spring loaded arm in the back rises and falls slightly so there's definitely some misalignment there.
The bobbin winder is a mess.
I like how you have an expensive precision lathe but you choose to make the knob using a drill press and an angle grinder.
Most machinists I know have a thing about not working wood in metal lathes and mills, because sawdust gets everywhere and soaks up lubricating oil out of all the places it needs to be.
@@Vikingwerk ahhhhh... I see.
Yeah, I enjoyed your video, but that kind ofwork is is out of my skill set. I'm still thinking about getting one of those patchers, but I don't want to patch my patcher before I get to use it.
Sir, you mentioned talcum powder and mentholated mineral spirits for protecting metal.
Is that the same as paint thinner ? with talcum. Thanks !!
Methylated spirit is a spirit alcohol, you could try experimenting with white spirit but it'll take ages to evaporate, and I've found it works best if you build up several thin layers.
@@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006 Great Thanks for the quick response. They sell some material here for that same purpose but costly. Like the way you melted brass in a metal pot.. if it works I'll give that a go too. Good wishes.
It's pretty wasteful melting brass on the forge, it consumes a lot of coal but gets the job done! That pot is the bottom of a gas bottle like you'd get oxygen in, not the lightweight propane bottles.
Thank you!
I REMEMBERED YOU TALKING ABOUT "OPEN BEARINGS" BEHIND THE FLYWHEEL SHAFT, but I received one the other day with a sealed bearing, but the item had problems, here is a post I put on another video of someone elses).....I received my shoe patcher the other day, ...heavily damaged, but fixable, seller and me "negotiated" a partial refund of $40(machine was $104 shipped ebay in the USA, making it a $64 machine now), and basically the box arrives, there is a little wear hole in a otherwise nice box, I get it out and the #15 thread bounding plate that holds the #14 bounding arm is bent over the long main top arm and warped bad below as well, the #14 arm on the plate is slightly bent, the spring for that is basically destroyed(flattened and stretched), and the metal wire loop guide for the #14 thread bounding lever is bent downward and partially pulled out of the top hole, but can be beat back up with some work, and the other metal parts can be straigtened, and it was missing some hardware bolts and nuts for attaching the legs,......unsure if I want to use the legs or improve them with thicker pipe place over to prove a point if the legs are useable somehow, but might just attach it to wood like everyone else. So my machine cost me $64 basically, but I worry about finding the right spring replacement. I swear to god that the thick metal loop on the front that is welded to the top arm is bent more down than what other people have, seems to work through, and I didn't know these came with two shuttle carriers, two shuttles, and four bobbins cause I ordered five sets of those from Hong Kong to arrive next month. I suspect the machine was pre damaged before boxing up wherever they do that, who knows. I noticed the main bearing behind the hand crank wheel is a sealed bearing, I noted in other peoples videos that a person wished it wasn't an open style bearing cause that machinist would have liked to mill out the bearing hole for sealed bearings but worried about the strength/thickness of the cast iron there, if true then the newer ones have sealed bearings not requiring greasing like the older imports, ...unsure if that is the case but I swear I heard that and seen it, but it means a replacement bearing can be purchased,....errrr, if I ever really really wear it out somehow. Looks like a bicycle hub sealed bearing, I know cause I have some el cheapo big box store chinese made bikes, that is what they used these days most of the time I understand, not loose bearings like back in the old days. Machine was not all full of grease, just oily. Its still an aggravation to have to fix it before I can use it, but it appears to be operational with the bent parts removed, so dunno, wish me luck. The box was just plain brown cardboard and foam was very destroyed on one side, and there are no chinese characters on the machine, just a chipped green paint.
When I think about it, I don't like the sealed bearing, or my concern is with the quality of the sealed bearing and how much grease, if any, is inside the bearing. Really, all I need is a quality bearing and a better support on the other side, wished they put a bearing there, but eh, ya know, it is what it is. Ya know these are copies of late 1800s western made shoe patchers, seen a video on youtube of a Hugo Wertheim made shoe patcher machine from the late 1800's, see something similar on a treddle style table for a $1000 on ebay from the late 1800's. The original western made shoe patchers were of course better made originally, so the chinese didn't design this style shoe patcher, they copied them, maybe you already know that. . In fact, I swear I could pry the plastic seal off the bearing in order to grease it, or the real fix it remove it, measure it, get a high quality replacement. I of course worry about axial and radial run out,..play, of course there is radial run out at the support base on the opposite side as is usual,....I don't like that and I think a bearing should be there, or a quality common size bushing. I could have pushed to just have this machine be free with ebay buyer protections, since the seller obviously filed for a courier insurance coverage and was playing hardball after I provided the damage photos, I know, cause I've been protected before with ebay paypal credit buyer protections, but I don't like to anger a company I might accidently order from again in the future, I'd like get several of these and play around with modifications to them, maybe welding on upper gussets to strengthen the upper arm, stuff like that, ....improvements, probably a waste of my time and welding rod and materials for the uses I really need it for. I might take this one or another and make a copy of the treddle table I seen to make one look and operate like a vintage 1800's machine. As some folks know, even case iron can be welded with the latest methods, ways of changing the looks or increasing strength of the main body, dunno, I've done cast iron welding before,.....carefully with success, cylinder heads for rare engine......well, the welding on the cast iron,...a stupid idea just to change the visual profile, not really serious. The whole thing give me an idea, one of making a similar machine by hand, of plasma arc cut parts and welded frame, also using basic tools cause I don't have a lathe.
Also, I think the fit of the shaft to the flywheel is now in tighter tolerance cause I can tell, its very tight to install on shaft, and I almost needed a gear puller to remove it, same when installed and wanting to remove again, ...I guess that is good, really.
@@budwhite3570 wow, exciting times ahead for you my friend! Agree completely, not much point upgrading the sealed bearing till you can get rid of the play in the rear end of that shaft, my main cause of concern with the open bearing was the grit that was already in it, and having rough machined iron on iron wear surfaces, these machines generate their own fresh grit every time you turn the handle!
Get in touch if you want me to measure anything to help get your arms set up again.
Like you, the more I look at it, the greater the temptation is to just start from scratch but because im doing a lot of machine sewing now it's likely I'll just get a second hand industrial machine instead.
Good luck and enjoy yourself, they are lots of fun!
Hi: Many thanks for your excellent vids. My patcher is due at the end of July, and I'll certainly fettle and tart-up as you have. I do at least have a lathe, which will help.Your foot lift lever looks impressive, but I can't see your vid to cover that. There's a market for exchange pre-finished parts for this machine. A business opportunity?
Where did you source your patcher? I've gone via Amazon, but they're now double their original price. Ouch!
In the States parts are easily obtained from Bantam. There doesn't seem to be a similar source here in the UK.
The new Patcher Facebook group is very useful. Lots of ideas and photographs.
Do you sell the kits to add on which you have created yourself as I have just ordered a Chinese shoe machine
I need to know how to put the cam’s back in the right position can you please give a picture of the cam in the right position
Looking very good. I take it that it is basically a sewing machine, in which case I presume there is also thread in the bottom bit. What does that look like? Also where did you get it from?
Yes, a simplified heavy sewing machine, the bobbin holding the bottom thread is especially small by any standard in order to reach the toe of a boot but that means it holds very little thread, I haven't covered the bobbin in this series as I'm still figuring out how to mount a bigger one.
And I just purchased it on eBay about a year ago, I've used it in a couple of videos
@@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006 Cheers. Interesting.
@@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006 I've seen them there also. A second had Singer equivalent is much more expensive!
I'm on Leicester's doorstep, the city that clothed the empire, second hand machines are cheap and plentiful, I just have no idea what I am looking at!
I did a bit of sewing at college but that was all handstitched repairs on fabric covered aircraft following schemes that gave instructions for thread and needle sizes but now I just don't have a clue on the sizes until I actually use it and it either looks right or wrong so this is a really good way for me to get some experience.
Yeah, I have Chinese leather stitching machines, I'll just step out to my metal shop an use my 1-ton lathe, sitting next to my 300lb anvil an metal forge to make new case hardened steel bearings. Where does all this equipment come from?
eBay mostly, same as my sewing machine.
You don't need all this gear to mod your machine though.
Me podría informar dónde las venden
Have you thought of selling these parts?
You're going to be on thetanster.com
Very cool, if you know how to do this crap, it's worthless to all the rest of us.