MSI 4090 Gaming X Trio Unboxing, Review & Benchmarks
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- Follow along as I unbox a brand-new MSI 4090 Gaming X Trio, install it in my PC and provide benchmarks and overclocking settings used from 3DMark, TimeSpy, Port Royal, Final Fantasy XIV, Speed Way, Horizon Zero Dawn & Call of Duty Warzone 2.0.
Overclock settings:
Core: +200mhz, 2940mhz
VRAM: +2000mhz, 12501mhz
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
1:09 Unboxing
2:30 Design
4:32 Size Comparison
6:15 Installation
7:45 Powering On
9:05 Coil Whine
9:54 Pricing
11:20 Benchmarks
12:18 Overclocking
13:25 Audio Levels
14:25 Lighting
15:16 Thermals
15:55 Conclusion - Наука та технологія
I have the suprim which I run with 3 connectors as I don't feel there is any need to overclock since performance gains are about 3% max while using a large increase in power. Mine runs the same as any other card at stock. Each power connector is capable of 250W so you are well within the safety limits.
Aha! Good to know. When I was testing out both Suprim models, I hadn't considering running it with 3 or 4 8pin connectors. I assumed it wouldn't work at all. It wasn't until someone mentioned that it was possible in my comments and had to test it out. Thanks for the info!
I ended up with a Gaming Trio X 4090. I wanted a Suprim, but it has blown me away enough that I no longer care.
I would absolutely say the Gaming X Trio is my preferred card vs the Surpim. I like the design better, it's cheaper and still performs JUST about as well. I'm glad you're enjoying it.
I'm glad I bought this card I had originally ordered the ASUS TUF card, the 3 week shipping arrival date gave me some time to research a bit more. Ended up grabbing a 4090 Gaming trio instead at $1650 still a bit too much but saved me $250. I did want to spend a bit more just for the look of the Suprim but I'm glad I didn't as this card I have has given me 0 problems and no coil whine especially not enough for anyone to point it out.
That's amazing to hear. I agree, this card is a really good bang for your buck. What case and power supply are you using with it?
I went through 6 videos until I found yours that actually showed it running. Everything else was just an unboxing and benchmarks. Someone even installed it but they didnt turn it on... lol. so thank you!!
Awww, I'm glad you found my video and it helped show it off. It's a great card. Have you decided on which model you're going to buy?
@@JohnLCharette I pulled the trigger on the MSI trio earlier. Wanted the water cooled but I am also upgrading my tv with the LG c2 77in and will use that for 4k gaming. Couldnt find a 4k monitor I liked. The most reccomend was the 42 inch LG c2 tv but that way to big for me for an up close montitor lol. So now I am building my 4090 build as "cheaply" as possible. Basically 0 rgbs
Very nice! That LG C2 77" seems to be the sweet spot. I'm building a home theatre in the basement this summer and still trying to figure out if I should go OLED, or projector.
Good luck with your 0 rgb build. What are the other specs for your build?
Hi John. In Canada I'm seeing cheaper prices in the Gigabyte gaming OC across the board on all 40 series cards. I've been hearing some concerns about the Gigabyte cards not traditionally being dependable and that many die. Do you concur with this? I've never owned a Gigabyte, always going with MSI or Asus but I also don't like coil whine. I'll be pairing my card with an I9 13900k, Asus Z790e and 32g DDR5. We are starting to see deals in Canada so I'm trying to make a decision so I can jump on one. Also any word on the 4080ti ? Thanks.
Hey John! Solid name ;) I'm in Canada as well. Just north of the GTA. And yes, you are absolutely correct. I was not a fan of the 3000 series Gigabyte Gaming OC cards, similar to the Zotac's and MSI Gaming X Trio cards. They were all horrible. That being said, I've only heard good things about the 4000 series (minus all the coil whine). I personally haven't tested the Gigabyte Gaming OC, but I have heard good things about it.
It sounds like you're building a killer system very similar to what I'm using (except I'm still on Z690). If you can get a deal on a Gigabyte Gaming OC, it's great. Not a lot of RGB on it, but if you're looking for a workhorse card, it'll do the job.
As for the 4080 Ti's, no word from NVIDIA yet. The next card coming out is the 4070. After that, we'll see either 4060/4060 Ti and/or 4080 Ti. There's also talk of a 4090 Ti. Not sure when they'll come out though. Are you looking to buy a GPU within the next month?
@@JohnLCharette Thanks for the reply. No I don’t have to buy in the next month, I can wait. It’s the last piece of the puzzle for me but my 2080ti is still holding up well for 2k gaming. In fact the only reason I’m really considering the 4090 is due to my flight sim gaming. The 4090 is going to be overkill for most everything else unless UE5 games start really pushing things or I really want to crank up that ray tracing. I even considered the 4070ti as I’ve seen Gigabyte gaming OC cards as low as 999 Canadian at Canada Computers. (You have to check their prices every day). I just saw a string of videos from people like JayzTwoCents slamming Gigabyte so I’ve held off.
Ohhh, interesting about the Gigabyte cards. I'll see what I can find out as well. And yes, I agree - a 2080 Ti is still a great card for most games at 2k.
Hi John, i have the exact same card and also have very loud coil whine. What was your procedure to return your card?
Oh no! I walked into BestBuy and told them the card was defective. That it makes a loud noise when using it. I didn't use any fancy terms like 'coil whine'. I was outside of the return window, but my shipping took forever so they took it back. If the store retailer doesn't accept it back, you might be able to submit to MSI for an RMA.
Just ordered mine for a bargain price of £1455, and i’m excited to install it. I hope the MSI warranty support has good policies for the price paid. Thank you for making this choice an easy one regardless of the coil wine.
Congrats!! That's very exciting. I'm so glad my video helped with your decision. And wow, that is a really good price.
Indeed, next is the upgrade of my I9-12900K to the new 13th generation one. Solid build for long term. Keep the videos & reviews coming. Thanks
Heads up, I went from a 12900KS to a 13900K and only saw 1-5% speed improvements. I was really hoping for a better boost, but I was disappointed. So.. I don't want to discourage you from the upgrade but know it didn't make a significant difference.
Good talk, I might actually wait for the next line of CPUs then. Even if I have gone for the 4090. I am gaming on a Samsung G7 Odyssey 1440p 240hz. I might instead upgrade the gaming monitor to a 4K capable one instead of the CPU. Thanks again mate
Just picked up a Gaming X Trio yesterday for my new build. It does have coil whine, but the only way I can hear it is to remove the side panel and put my ear to it. Since my PC is hooked up to my LG C1 the case sits far enough away that I can't hear it at all from any regular seating positions. My PSU is an MSI A1000G with a dedicated 16 pin. I played a few games last night and it was rock solid with a minor OC. Great video!
Thanks for the detailed message about your experience with this card. I'm glad the coil whine isn't too bad, and you don't hear it inside your case. How's that LG C1?!? I keep hearing great things about them, but I'm so worried about OLED burn-in.
@@JohnLCharetteI haven’t had any problems with burn in. The TV has several features to combat it including a fairly quick dimming feature if the image is static for a period of time. It’s really a pleasure to game on.
I don't have the X but the original trio been running for over a year now. Recently I;ve put in two playthroughs of cyberpunk. All quests not just storyline. That's a lot of hours. With DSSL seldom do the frames drop below 100 even in Corpo plaza at night with path ray tracing. It's quite amazing these cards. Thermals are really good.
That's amazing to hear! I wish that one I had didn't have crazy coil whine. How's yours? Btw, congrats on 1000 subs :)
@@JohnLCharette I game with headphones so I hear nothing outside immersion. Without headphones...you can hear it but I wouldn't say it's that bad of a distraction.
My Gaming Trio X 4070 Ti has similar coil whine. It must just be the inductors they used on this board. The card performs amazingly and the fans never spin up.
Yeah, I think coil whine is expected with most 4000 series cards. You'll hear it more with 4080/4090s. I'm glad the card performs well. I reviewed the 4070 Ti here: ua-cam.com/video/tY34Np1EVFw/v-deo.html
Trio X owner here. Also noticed the coil whine. Since most Microcenters seem to have a lot of this and the TUF model in Open Box form, that helps indicate it might be systemic for those cards.
All that said, it doesn't bug me much personally. My R9 290s were far worse back in the day, and as a now over-the-hill human, my hearing has naturally degraded to the point where the whine falls in large part outside of my audible range.
Whether or not anyone else cares about coil whine will vary, but what doesn't vary much is the performance.
It's very true that it doesn't affect performance. I also crossed that 'hill' this year and my hearing is definitely on it's way out.. haha. Welcome to the club ;)
Thanks for the video! I just finished my set up with the gaming x trio 4090 and I found one weird thing is that there was no protective film on the card while I unboxing it. I thought I probably got an used one, but this video showed it clearly.
And my whole set up is pretty quiet without the crazy coil whine. I guess it really depends on luck for this series.
Lucky you about the coil whine. It's so hit and miss. Yeah, that's weird about the protective film. With most GPUs, as long as they haven't been beat up for years mining crypto, they are usually rock solid.. even if they've been used a bit. I wouldn't be too worried, especially if it's working well without coil whine.
I have the same card. I am very satisfied temperature 60-68C. I have a poorly ventilated room. But almost no coil whine! Mostly when playing max, I can hear the whisper of the fans in the case when I turn off the sound of the game. OC is also fine, but 2000MHz is somewhat standard for memories. Unfortunately, don't expect any significant change in games.
That’s awesome that your coil whine isn’t as bad as mine. I still think it’s the best valued card you can buy right now.
@@JohnLCharette I wanted the ASUS TUF first, but I took what was in stock. I already had graphics from MSI, and as far as I remember, the GTX 970 was noisier in terms of coil whine.
I think you'll be very happy with this card. I'd pick it over the TUF. I usually use all Asus products, but really liked this card.
Greetings from Brazil my friend, great video. I'm getting this gpu today and I've heard good things about undervolting this card. Will coil whine reduce with undervolting, perhaps?
Greetings Rafael! Thank you so much. That's very exciting about getting this card today. Yes, it is possible to reduce coil whine by undervolting. I haven't done it much myself, but the theory is that coil whine is current travelling through the inductors. If you reduce the amount of current, it can reduce the whine. I've heard many people undervolting their 4090s and saving lots on electricity costs while maintaining 90-95% of the performance. Let me know how it goes and if you card experiences much coil whine.
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Is it possible to change the fugly RGB to a solid color, or perhaps turn them off all together?
Absolutely! Download the MSI Centre app, then load the Mystic Light app to configure or turn off the RGB lights.
@@JohnLCharette oh man thank you so much 🙏
I have a MSI 4090 X trio, with some coil whine. Luckely I don't really notice it on a daily basis. But sadly it noticeable with heavier games. Like Red dead redemption, I do have it on the highest graphs. On 165 fps the coil whine is definitely noticeable, but whenI lower the fps it still gives me coil whine, but a tad bit less. It's not the end of the world but I would have loved to not have it at all... I'm wondering if it is normal to have a bit of coil whine even if it's not a screeching banshee.
Yes, it’s pretty common with most 4080 and 4090 models. It’s nothing to worry about but can be annoying. It doesn’t sound like yours is as bad as the one I was testing.
did u use it with a 4 pin connector?, witch adapter or cables you recommend to change the default one that could be better avoiding burnt
When I first used the card, I used it with the 4x8pin adapter, but I don't recommend using it. I've used the Corsair 600w 12v cable and a ModDIY one for an EVGA power supply that I had. Here's a short video about them: ua-cam.com/video/IpujnC1lGY4/v-deo.html
@@JohnLCharette thanks for the answer man, have you notice any change on 3x8 to 4x8? I'll check on those corsairs
@Titto, sorry. I think I misunderstood your comment when I replied. I forgot that this card comes with a 3x8pin adapter. I haven't tried it with an 4x8pin adapter to see if it performs any different. I'm guessing it won't make any difference. I still recommend getting a dedicated 12v cable 600w though.
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I have the same one as you and I love it and the piano finish on it :)
I was VERY happy with it! Very sad to sell that build. I've been searching for the new EK LUX AIO to test it out, but stock is still challenging to find. Here's the full build using it and when I install the back plate the wrong way - oops: ua-cam.com/video/gqj0nHeQGe4/v-deo.html
I just bought the 4070ti version of this and the coil whine is bad, are other cards better or is it a 4K series issue?
It's definitely a 4000 series thing. Most cards are experiencing some level of coil whine. If it's really bad, I recommend returning it for another one. Where did you purchase from? Best Buy accepted my coil whine return without any issues - as long as it's within the return period.
@@JohnLCharetteAs someone who does not own a 4000 series card, I knew exactly what the term coil whine referred to. This issue is also present on many 3090's.
I have the msi 4080 ventus oc no coil whine works a treat it maybe onky 16gb of vram but I tell you it packs a punch 😉
The thing is huge
Oh yeah, she's a monster, but well worth it. Are you considering getting one?
This is my fav card. I was so excited to get it. What games do you like?
Right now I'm playing a lot of Warzone 2.0. Season 2 just started and still getting used to the updates. You?
What's the difference between the gaming x trio and the non-x trio? Can't find it anywhere. Just bought the non x version
Non-X is GPU Core Extreme Performance: 2535 MHz (MSI Center) Boost: 2520 MHz (GAMING & SILENT Mode)
X is GPU Core Extreme Performance: 2610 MHz (MSI Center) Boost: 2595 MHz (GAMING & SILENT Mode)
Very little difference between both cards. X is slightly pre-overclocked. You can easily overclock the non-X using MSI Afterburner to match the Trio speeds. I think you made the right choice buying the non-X.
@@JohnLCharette I see. I'm thinking about undervolting it anyways. Thanks
Great video
Thank you so much! Are you considering buying a 4090?
@@JohnLCharette hey john I purchased the msi gaming x trío, Is there a noticeable difference from the 3 connectors to 4 connectors that connect to the gpu since the msi is 450w
@MrGeekyMoDz nope! I've tested both of the MSI Suprim 4090s that use 4x8pin connectors and they perform very similar to the MSI Gaming X Trio with only 3x8pin connectors. MSI limits their Suprim cards to 520-530w. People complain that you don't get the full 600w like you do with the FE cards, but there's little to no difference in performance. Enjoy your new card. As I said in my video, it's one of my favourites :)
@@JohnLCharette Thank you John you are the best! You earned my subscribe! One last question I have a 850W power supply with a 12700k do you think that’s enough ?
Yeah, should be fine. 850w is the minimum recommended size of PSU when using a 4090. It can pull up to 450w, add the 12700k at 125-190w, you're close to 650w. 80% of a 850w is 680w. I would try it out if you already have it. If you find your computer shutting down - not blue screening, but just turning off. That's usually your power supply overloading. If that starts happening, get yourself a used 1000w and you'll be great. Thank you so much for subscribing!!
Just picked one up for $1250 new from Lenovo. Plan on using my RM850x PSU, what do you think?
Congrats! Good deal. Yeah, MSI says their minimum requirements is a 850w with a 1000w recommended. It’ll work, just keep an eye if your computer randomly reboots during high load (games). That’ll usually a sign your power supply needs upgrading. Let me know how it goes!
@@JohnLCharette I have been looking at that 1000w MSI psu with 12vhpwr to 12vhpwr setup. $160 atm, may go ahead and do that.
Oh wow, that's cheap for an ATX 3.0 compatible power supply. I still haven't picked on up myself because they been $250+.
Got a 4090 x trio. No coil whine so just lucked out
Amazing!! Congrats on winning the coin whine lottery ;) What GPU did you upgrade from?
those benchmark graphs at 11:33 don't show much because they don't show the average FPS for this card when all the other bars show the averages, at first glance it makes this card seems like it's performing way better than the rest but that's not the case.
Yeah, I've transitioned from posting the average to using the min + max fps. From what I've seen, that's gives a better picture. You can assume the average from those two values. What would you recommend is the best way to present FPS values? I'm always open to suggestions.
John, I took back my Asus Tuf 4080, and bought the MSI Gaming Trio non X 4090 variant based off your review, and there is literally 0 coil whine. Very happy with it. Only thing I don't like - 480w power limit. Never understood MSI limiting their cards like that, when the build quality can certainly handle it.
Awww, that's amazing to hear. So glad one of my videos helped out. That's why I'm making this content. 4000 series Gaming X Trio is far superior to the TUF line - at least in my opinion. #sorryasus
Yeah, not sure why MSI is limiting their power draw. I mean, their 4090 Gaming X Trio does the same thing @ 480w, which leads me to believe it's related to the 3x8pin power adapter they send with the card vs their Suprim limits it @ 520w, but requires 4x8pin connectors. Still, 520w isn't anywhere near the 600w that the 4090 FE can do. That being said, according to my tests.. the additional power doesn't really do much for performance. MSI may realize that and just cap it.
@@JohnLCharette Your videos on the 40 series really did help me make my decision! I hope your channel grows even more man. I agreed with you that the gaming x also looks better than the suprim. I actually bought the suprim and didn't even make it home - immediately drove back to microceter and returned it because of guilt and buyers remorse. Overpaid for a card with the exact same PCB as the gaming x, just a higher/stronger power phases and capacitors at 70a compared to the gaming x at 50a. Which is STILL overkill. Not sure if I touched on that last comment but just reiterating anyways lol.
And exactly what you said, the gains are minimal past 450 watts tbh, and the Most I've seen a 4090 consistently draw OC'd consistently was like 530w or something, which is absolute ludicrous. Absolutely no reason for that! Some people just aren't happy with the best. Even De8auer said the 600w power target on the 4090 makes NO sense, and I had thought the same thing. Nvidia locked the chips down so much anyways, I see all these guys shunt modding and all that and it's like why?? For a potential 10% increase? Go overclock your DDR5 and try for 8200mhz or something yaknow? So far for the most part I've ran it stock - I overclocked for a few hours with the slider set to 106% Max and I got plus 1900mhz on the memory clock stable and 2.9 ghz on the core. Marginal gains. Like plus 8-13 fps in warzone. So today I'm going to be undervolting and limiting the power - while increasing the memory clock say around plus 1000. I found plus 800 to be the sweet spot on the asus tuf 4070ti I originally had. And I found sweet spots on the 4080 and those gave me better gains then maxing out. I found with personal experience with both the 40 series AND ddr5 it's more about the sweet spot instead or maxing out, have you had the same experience? I'm actually running a msi a1000g pcie5 psu with the native 12vhpwr, but with the tuf 4080, the window wouldn't close in my lancool II case, so I removed the ridiculously tight cable sleeve and heat shrink wrap from the cable and much more flexible! I hate those all cable sleeve wraps anyways, they make cable management impossible lol, or ugly!
Seems msi probably saw the power target for 600w was ridiculous and obviously saw it wasn't a necessity
But either way historically they've power limited their cards
With the 4090 it might have actually been a smarter move. Like I said the tuf was my original favorite in the 40 series, but they all had AWFUL coil whine, and while it matched my build a bit better, I have a new favorite, and I'm very happy
Thanks for your help friend. #sorryasus
p.s. it's also my first hand experience with their terrible customer service for another reason I switched. Sorry for the book John
I'm very similar with my cards and rarely overclock them. I only do it in my reviews because people ask for it. And yeah, it really seems to depend on the card.. but for me a 5-8% increase isn't worth it. I'd rather just run it stock.
That's a beauty power supply you're running. I still haven't purchased a newer PSU with it's own dedicated 12v yet. I've purchased a couple 12v cables, but the PCIe5 PSU are still pretty pricey. My next one ;)
I loved the 3000 series TUF cards. No frills, but some of the best VRAM on the market. I was very disappointed with the coil while with the 4090 TUF I picked up.
Appreciate the conversation! Better than some of these one word comments or nothing at all :)
@@JohnLCharette Well you gotta do it for the reviews lol 😂 I had to OC myself just to see how far the clocks would go!
And I appreciate that! I was skeptical about it at first, previously I had an Asus ROG Thor 850w Platinum PSU that had already came with cable mod cables and you already probably know that it comes with an OLED that tells you how much power you are drawing from the wall. I loved that PSU but for 10 dollars more I was able to get ATX 3.0 with the native cable, I highly recommend! In my experience the psu plays a role in coil whine as well, but I'm not sure ours are so different, considering they are both made by channel well technology as the OEM. Corsairs cable seems to be more than capable! The size of the MSI would surprise you, its so tiny for a 1000 watt! But it definitely is 1000 watts lol.
The 3000 Tuf series were my absolute favorite cards at the time, but I could never get my hands on them, and the prices seemed to always be premium compared to other cards.. :( Seems it's just a capacitor issue with the new 40 series.. the 4070ti and 4080 both were LOUD from what I experienced and now your experience with the 4090.
And I agree! Thanks for the knowledge! Have a good one, I'll be watching.
Any problem with the card? Burning connector?
Tomorrow I will have my gpu and I’m afraid of.
Would you say its better than the suprim x and ifso why?
I would say it better 'value' than the Suprim. Hands down, the Suprim is a better card. It has better power phases and performs slightly better, but its also more expensive. The Gaming X Trio is my preferred card because it's cheaper and 'almost' as good. If you want the best of the best, buy the Suprim. If you want a card that's incredibly fast, and don't want the overclock anything, get the Gaming X Trio.
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Hello, I have the same card, the only problem is that when I restart my computer, my monitor shows (current resolution 1280x1024) and when the Windows is fully loaded, then the resolution is normal again (2560x1440). all drivers are updated, bios is also updated with the latest version. power supply board MSI PMG A1000G. Do you have the same problem with the resolution? thanks for the answer) monitor (27GL850) LG 2K 144hz
@Mantulis, that's an interesting one. I wasn't experiencing that issue when I tested this card. I would try a process of elimination. First, if you're using HDMI, see if you can use Display Port instead. See if that makes a difference. If you don't have a Display Port on your monitor, try switching monitors. Borrow one from a neighbour for a few minutes and see if a different monitor resolves the issue or if the problem stays with the card.
My next question - is the 1280x1024 causing an issue when you first boot? Is it an issue seeing things in the BIOS?
@@JohnLCharette hello, yes, I tried that HDMI cable, it doesn't pass full mhz. in the screen settings, the maximum resolution is 99.98 mhz , but the screen resolution is correct 2560-1440.
@@JohnLCharette yes bios resolution 1280-1024 with D.p cable
Yeah, HDMI can only handle so much, that's why DisplayPort is so much better. I can't say I know a solution to your issue. Have you tried a different monitor instead to see if it's something specific to that model of monitor?
@@JohnLCharette hi monitor model LG (27gl850)
John I just ordered this card for $1650, thank you for reassuring my mind. I'm 40 yrs old and kinda poor lol
$1650 is a good deal, but still a large chunk of change! I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. I turned 40 this year too. Welcome to the other side of the hill ;)
There is a lot difference between Gaming Trio X 4090. and Gaming Trio 4090?
Here in brazil there is only Gaming Trio 4090.
There's hardly any difference between the two cards, other than the X being pre-overclocked a few mhz. You can easily overclock it with Afterburner on your own. I would definitely recommend picking up the non-X version. In Canada, I can only find the X version.
So what's the best bang-for-your-buck 4090 card right now?
Best bang for your buck, in my opinion, is the MSI 4090 Gaming X Trio. It's $50 more than the founders edition card, but comes with a really cool design and only requires 3x8pin power connectors (if you're using the adapter). Check out my whole video about it here: ua-cam.com/video/6r6b8NANqwM/v-deo.html
@@JohnLCharette thanks so much for your recommendation, I don't know anyone I can ask that I trust knows what they're talking about. I watched your video on the trio, great video btw. I feel pretty confident in my decision now. Thanks again!
I have the same card zero coil whine inside lian li dynamic evo with front mesh panel and 13 phantek m25 fans Thermaltake gf3 1000w psu 7800x3d asus strix b650e-e 32 gb 6000 mhz ram trident z neo deepcool ls720 se cooler 2 tb Samsung 990 pro ssd. love the setup and cost $3374.00 shipped if anyone wants to do similar build and know the price for everything. zero complaints about gpu undervolted and runs consistently in the mid 50c range same as cpu mid 50c very efficient cpu gpu combo gpu usually pulls around 350-400 watts and cpu pulls around 50-70 watts both undervolted and overclocked... higher then stock scores on all benchmarks and games with less heat and power draw on both.. love this setup.
That sounds like a really great build and price! I have heard of a few people undervolting their 4090s and getting great results. I haven't tried it yet but I'll have to give it a go with the next 4090 I'm testing. Thanks for the detailed description of your build.
Coil Whine is a Combination of the Motherboard, PSU AND Gpu being slightyly out of sync with each other.
It's not JUST the PSU.
I would love to read a technical article about coil whine to understand it better. Let me know if you know of a place that explains it.
Gone crazy and installed the Corsair Hydro water block on the card.
Ohhhhh, now we're talking. I would love to see a photo of that. How's the thermal performance?
Have had a couple 4090s the best by far is the PNY xlr8 4090 super cool and quiet no coil whine at all and most 4090s will oc pretty high but you will find if you go too high it will take away performance and numbers will drop
Ohhh, really good to know Tim. I haven't used a PNY card in years. They don't seem to be very popular the retailers in Canada. If I have the opportunity to try one out, I will certainty take your advice. Thank you very much!
@John Charette after Evga stop making graphics cards I was left with the task of finding a new company after alot of research I found out PNY makes all of Nvidias professional Quatro cards so decided to give them a try so far they been great l.Thanks for the reply
I just got this card. It's in my PC now, but I won't turn it on nor use it until I paint my room, which I'm about to do. Please cross your fingers that it has no coil whine! 🤞brb time to paint lol
Oh wow! That's exciting. Paint paint paint! Let me know how it goes. *crossing my fingers for you*🤞
Paint still drying?! How is it?!
@@JohnLCharette Well, I finally tried it today, and unfortunately, I do hear a bit of coil whine while playing Red Dead Redemption 2 on max settings, but it's nothing terrible. I go deaf to it after a few minutes.
On Dying Light 2, on max settings, there is no coil whine at all though.
Awww. That's alright. I'm not surprised that there's a little bit of coil whine. I'm finding that almost every 4080/4090 has a bit. As long as it's tolerable, I think you're good. What case do you have it in?
@@JohnLCharette I'm still too scared to buy all the parts to build my own computer, especially b/c nothing is cheap, so I bought a prebuilt from Corsair. It is the Corsair i7400 and it arrived with the MSI 4090.
Mine has it but its barely noticeable.
Yeah, I'm testing the 4070 Ti Gaming X Trio and it's the same. It's there, but it's definitely not as bad at the 4090 I was testing. Good, I'm glad yours isn't too bad. Thanks for the info!
Which 4090 card is quieter and has less coil whine?
I found the Suprim X Liquid to be the quietest 4090 I've tested so far. ua-cam.com/video/FDUWhvhwzfY/v-deo.html
@@JohnLCharette I'm looking for a model with fans, I just haven't picked it up yet because of the coil whine, I'm looking for a model that is as silent as possible
@Arthur Fraga it's a gamble for coil whine with any 4080/4090 card. I would stay away from the TUF series right now as they seem to be the worst. Both Suprim X cards I tested didn't have any or very little coil whine. This Gaming X Trio did, but I'm hearing lots of people who get silent cards. Make sure you buy one from a retailer that allows returns for the first 15-30 days after purchase.
@@arthurfraga9107 gigabyte gaming oc
I found one on Amazon at same price than MSRP or slightly below so I jumped on it. It was open box, not new, but looked new. In the package there was a hair from original box opener, so funny. I did not read description well but it said open box. No matter, the thing works like new and I had to open the box anyways. I downvolt to 900 mV lock clock at 2.5 ghz. Dota2 runs 8k full stuff. ESO the same. Electricity saved will pay for the card in 20 years maybe.
Oh I don't have the coil whine issue too.
That's amazing! Good snag, and that's amazing that your card doesn't have any coil whine. I wonder if it's a newer card and if MSI has since resolved the issue.
I did not notice any problem initially. I lock clock at 2500Mhz and lock voltage at 900 mV. So if there was a slight coil whine I did not detect at first, it is just even lower with these parameters. I force slow spin fan at low temps so the card stays super cool and all I hear are the case and/or cpu fans.
I'm on the fence regarding which 4090 to get. I heard that this MSI card doesn't have the fancy vapor chamber cooling, is that a problem? I am debating between this, Suprim, Gigabyte and Asus Tuf as they all are $1600-1700
Good morning! I've tested Suprim X, Suprim X Liquid, Gaming X Trio and the TUF in the 4090 series. Best bang for your buck is the Gaming X Trio, but that's only because it was $150-200 cheaper than the other cards. I have seen a few sales on the Suprim cards. If you can get a Suprim X for similar price, get it. I have no issues with thermals on the Gaming X Trio, but the Surpim is a higher end card with better power phases. Let me know what you end up deciding.
@@JohnLCharette on Amazon right now the X Trio goes for $1700 which is same for Suprim X but the Trio (non x) is only $1600. The non OC version for the TUF is also $1600. Thr Gigabyte OC is $1700 as well
From what I've seen, if you can find a non-OC version of any card, grab it. It's the same card but it isn't pre-overlocked, which you can do with Afterburner in 3 clicks. So now the question is.. the non X for $1600 or the Suprim X for $1700? Totally up to you. The Suprim is a better built card, but I love the Trio design. Have you picked one up yet?
@@JohnLCharette I ended up getting the Suprim for $1700. I think the extra $100 is worth the better build, cooling system and the factory OCed. I don't have to mess around with OCing myself
Yup, I think you made the right choice. If the price difference was more, then maybe go Gaming Trio, but I would have done the same. Congrats!
What exactly does the silent/gaming switch do?
Great question! It changes which VBIOS is used on the card. You need to switch it with your computer off, then boot up with the new VBIOS. Every manufacturer is a bit different with how they configure their VBIOS'. In this case, it sounds like it doesn't affect the performance (clock speeds) at all, but only adjusts the fan curves so that the fans don't spin as fast, making it more silent.
Another huge bonus is the ability to flash the VBIOS. You could, in theory, flash it with a Surpim VBIOS and attempt to get similar performance. By having the switch, if you flash it wrong or mess something up. You can always fall back on the old VBIOS.
Hope this helps! I always keep mine on Gaming ;)
@@JohnLCharette unfortunately so far it's caused me some crashes but they went away after turning it to silent. The MSI description says it's for higher performance but like you said there's no difference in clock speeds between the two.
Very interesting. That sucks that you're experiencing issues. Are the crashes specific to a game or application?
@@JohnLCharette So far it's only happening when closing games. Three different games all bsod on exit. PC just becomes unresponsive for a second then bsod. It also happened once when shutting down PC, clicked shut down and it immediately bsod with a memory management error
Very interesting. I would recommend running the Reliability Monitor after it crashes. It may provide you with an error report with more details. See if there's any mention of NVIDIA drivers in the report. That tool has been very useful for tracking down the source of issues for me.
I recently bought the 4090 Gaming Trio (not the X) and was also "rewarded" with coil whine. lol
Yeah, it seems pretty common. I returned my card back to BestBuy and they didn't give me any grief. That being said, I recently went to return a 4070 and they almost didn't take it back. You could try and return it for another card, but hopefully it isn't too bad.
Do you use gaming bios or silent bios ?
Gaming BIOS - I've never really used the silent one.
@@JohnLCharette I'll use the gaming bios then cheers dude! I'll have to get used to the fans being on at all times on the 4090 though! On silent bios they only kicked in while gaming!
surprising to see it excels in ff14 compared to the other cards... I'd say room temp or reboot required might have altered this benchmark cause it makes no sense why, it's the same chip.
Yeah, it could be very possible. I do my best to keep my testing bench as consistent as I can, but you're right.. there's no reason there should be that much discrepancy. I'll make sure to double and triple check my numbers in the future.
Hope my comment wasnt too rude, your videos are premium quality, keep up your good work!@@JohnLCharette
No, not at all. I appreciate your attention to detail and possible solutions/reasons why it happened. Have a good one!
Gaming trio x 4090 24gb o Gigabyte 4090 24gb???
I'd always recommend getting the X version, as it's been tested to perform slightly faster from the manufacturer.
@@JohnLCharette yo creo q es mejor la trio x por marca también , increíblemente la Gigabyte esta más cara que la trio , la trio vale 1700 dolares aproximado y la Gigabyte vale 2100 dolares , es raro para mi entender tendría q valer menos
FYI starting at the 30 series cards, the VRAM is ECC memory, so you can push it as far as the slider will go, but you wont get any more performance and in some cases less because the ECC correction is stopping it from freaking out like previous cards. So you would need to nudge the VRAM speed up until it stops gaining performance to really see what it should OC to. In short, its not going to crash or show artifacts because the VRAM is ECC memory.
I agree with everything you said, except this line "In short, its not going to crash or show artifacts because the VRAM is ECC memory." I've crashed SO many 3000 and 4000 series GPUs by overclocking the VRAM too much. I've also seen crazy texture tearing as well. I agree that it uses ECC, but it certainly doesn't prevent crashing or tearing. Is that what you mean?
This is oc card or no oc card?
It's the OC card. MSI uses X instead of OC, so this is the 4090 Gaming X Trio vs. the Gaming Trio (non-OC) version. Are you thinking about buying one?
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No coil whine on my unit.
That’s awesome! I figure it isn’t all of the card. I wonder if it’s different batches. When did you purchase yours?
Coil whine is the real issue of this 4090 gen, whichever the brand is. Manufacturers should invest in better components rather than adding leds and marketing bullshit. The card you showed has an horrible coil whine. I sent back my TUF for that reason but it was more like a buzzing, this squealing noise is even worst. I hope my Strix in replacement will have less issue on that end.
Yeah, I agree with you. I was even using that 4080 Eagle OC recently and it had a minor buzz. Nothing as bad as this MSI 4090 Gaming X Trio though. That being said, the TUF 4090 was almost as bad as this. I would also hope that the Strix has none as well. The 4080 Strix I tested was rock solid without any coil whine. Let me know when you get it and test it out.
I should get my Strix OC by the end of next week at the latest. I will let you know whether it’s similar, hopefully better, or even worst than the TUF OC (which I loved except that bad coil whine).
I've received my Strix OC today and no miracle happened unfortunately, it's pretty the exact same coil whine as the TUF OC. Maybe it's slighlty less noisy but I'm not even sure that I could differentiate them if I did a blind test. That's disappoiting but at least I got the Strix OC for the price of the TUF OC. I also expect to get an additional gesture from my merchant but at the end of the day, I'll have to live with a non-silent GPU. In some game, there is no coil whine at all but in others (like FS2020), there is a constant buzz sound. I read on Reddit that some guy tested not less than 7x 4090 in a row (different brands, different models, with different PSUs), he never managed to put his hands on a silent one... At this level, it's not even a lucky draw, it's like winning the lottery when you get one with no coil whine at all! Anyway, I'll stick with this one.
Oh wow, thank you so much for the update. I feel like I was experiencing the same inconsistency of coil whine with the 4080 Eagle OC. That's amazing that you were able to get a Strix for the price of a TUF. Sounds like even though you have a bit of noise, it's not too bad. Enjoy it, it's a beautiful card.
@@JohnLCharette With the current shortage of 4090, I couldn't reasonably ask my vendor to change it again for a 3rd card without being sure at all that it would solve the coil whine issue. They accepted to upgrade me from TUF OC to Strix OC because I ordered a 6K$ PC, they wouldn't have done it if I only bought the sole GPU. ;) I managed to grab a 75€ voucher in addition, I think I negotiated the problem not too bad given they are not even compelled to exchange graphic cards for coil whine issues normally. I will learn to accommodate with some noise annoyances from time to time. :)
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Coil whine is unacceptable in a premium product. You barely touched on it
Oh, sorry for the confusion. I returned this card because the coil whine was so bad. That being said, if you can get one with little to none coil whine, it’s still my favourite card. I’m just finishing up a review on the Strix 4090 and it had very minor coil whine but it’s $400 USD more expensive. Would you pay the additional premium?
I don't hear no coil whine, i must be one of the luckiest
Yes, you are very lucky! Keep that card. It's golden. I just finished reviewing the MSI 4070 Ti Gaming X Trio here: ua-cam.com/video/tY34Np1EVFw/v-deo.html Even it has a little bit of coil whine.
I have this one too and have no coil whine. Unless my case prevents that noise to come out. Not sure.
Yeah, that's the one downside with my using an open-air case - you hear everything. If you can't hear it, amazing. It doesn't affect performance at all.
@@JohnLCharette perfect. Thanks for the reply man!
Oh man, i can buy it for 1600$ canadian, new, not opened..
Oh wow.. that's the price of a 4080. Sounds like a steal to me!
@@JohnLCharette Cool, i am not buying it right now :) What's the reasonable price?
Most used 4090s that I've seen are still in the $2000 CAD range. Let alone a brand new, unopened one. Just make sure it isn't a scam. I just found an Asus TUF 4090 for $1900. When are you considering buying?
Fix your microphone. Even with wearing headphones and at 100% volume I can barely hear you.
Weird. No one else has commented on poor audio quality issues. I'll check it out, but I can't fix old recording. I'll do my best to ensure the audio levels are loud enough. Thanks for the feedback.
@@JohnLCharette I hear you very well. This guy should try his cell phone to watch videos and see if sound is bad.
a 4090 without a vapor chamber is a disgrace, but I suppose you're allowed to have low standards
Oh, don't get me wrong. It would be nice to have a vapor chamber, but I'm not going to shit on the card because it doesn't have one. If I had tested it and it was night and day difference between the Suprim, then I'd go Suprim.. but the Gaming X Trio performed extremely well with great temps. I was surprised too!
@@JohnLCharette The temps on ave are about 12oC higher than ones with a chamber. ITs not a big deal as the cards are already very good temps wise, but for cards costing this much, its criminal that they all dont have one.
@@keving5235literally it doesnt make any difference if it has vapor chamber or not
Have this card and temps are perfect!
The vapor chamber thingy is just marketing (much like the dlls3 nvidia)
@@ALM_Relaxed I could have debated you on the vapor chamber topic, but then you went straight to dlss3 is marketing. I'm out.
I'm hit or miss when it comes to the vapor chamber, but DLSS3 is legit. Makes me think I should be doing a video about the benefits.
I hate to be that guy again, but... Mic is clipping :)
#soundpolice - haha. I was trying to explain to my wife what it means by the mic is clipping. She asked 'does that mean the sound is cutting out?!', I said no. It means that there's too much noise going into the mic and it can't capture the whole wave length, therefor some audio is being cut off. I hope I am right. That being said, I don't really know how to fix it. Is my mic too close to my mouth? Or is it just a crappy mic? As I mentioned myself, not an audio guy ;)
@@JohnLCharette Lowering microphone gain/volume in software or recording device should fix it. Im not english native speaker so i cant explain clipping in the wright way. Your definition is close enough :) please dont think im nagging. I think your videos are good and i just want to point out little inperfections. :)
@Macias I appreciate you helping out. I can't hear the difference myself, but I believe you. Right now, I'm plugging the microphone directly into my Sony camera. I'm going to check to see if I can reduce the gain/volume inside the camera options and try it out. If that doesn't work, I could record my audio using a laptop with Adobe Audition. I've done it that way in the past before but it's a pain. I'd rather just plug in my microphone and record ;)
@@JohnLCharette Try lo listen in the beginning. You say "this card is incredible". IncrEEdible, "E" makes "farting" sound. Its just an example. Many higher volume sounds in the video "farts" a little.
You’re doing reviews yet you don’t even know what a heat pipe is.
Ha, I'm always learning dude. I may not claim to know everything, but I'm doing my best to share what I do know.