Your statement about memory temps being better on the Liquid seem anomalous. Every other review site has pointed out the relatively hot memory temps on the Liquid due to the GPU cold plate just touching the VRAM without any water flow over them.
Yeah, I was just doing some basic testing with what I experienced. I have also read about the same VRAM problem. I didn't do a straight VRAM test, like mining that would really push it.
@@JohnLCharette maybe tear down your air cooled card if you still have it. It should not be in the 80s on the memory when gaming. MSI is not immune to crooked thermal pads or poor contact pressure. I make a point to swap thermal paste and pads on every new card I buy just in case.
I wish I still had these cards. When I bought them, I had already re-sold them to someone else so I couldn't test them for long. I usually buy cards, review them and then re-sell them as fast as I can so that I can use that money to buy more cards ;)
@@JohnLCharette Lian Li Dynamic going to change the fans around, mount AIO fans on the back, and change the fans from the back to the bottom and I'll have the GPU vertical mounted. Already have it planned out.
Grats! What’s your opinion on better thermals for the GPU? Mounting the radiator to the top as exhaust or front as intake? Would there be a big difference? Is it safe to mount as exhaust?
@@Kurplode I have a Hyte Y60 Case, I mounted it on the back panel. With a 360mm Radiator for my CPU on top. So I have a double AIO Pc. I have learned though, that if you’re going to replace the fans, make sure theyre 4 pin and are at least 2200RPM . The card gets really hot. Standard 120mm may not be enough to cool it down
Mr. Charette, the feedback and attention you give your audience is appreciated. Thank you for making this video. I bought a MSI Liquid Suprim because of you. Cheers.
I just got a miracle deal on one of these bad boys in a complete system with 96 gb ram, an 11th gen intel i9 cpu, and 3 NVMe drives over 1 tb each all for several hundred less than the market value of the suprim liquid x. Can’t wait to see what this bad boy can do
Oh wow.. that's incredible! And, if you want to upgrade in the future, you can easily replace the motherboard & CPU, keep the GPU, SSDs.. probably not the RAM, as it's DDR4, but still. Good find!!
I think one of the pros for liquid cooling is sound. For example, the liquid cool card may be able to run at 80% power output with a relatively low fan speed. Any comment on that?
100% agree. From what I know, you can run your fans much slower to cool the liquid inside a radiator vs higher speed fans to remove heat from a heatsink. I often hear people talk about how silent liquid cooling builds are in general. Thanks for adding this information :)
@@JohnLCharette The fans on the radiator are far bigger in diameter (120mm) than the fans that the air coolers use which seem to be 80/100mm. I genuinely have no idea why they keep making the fans on aircooled cards so small. Probably cheaper for them.
Yes! The Aorus Xtreme is a monster card and definitely compares to the Suprim 4090. I still haven't gotten my hands on one of those or an Asus Strix 4090. Very elusive cards, but if/when I find them, I will definitely review them. Stay tuned! What's your gut feeling between the two?
@@JohnLCharette Deepcool CL500, top mount GPU cooler. Front mount Arctic LF2 240 and another Arctic P12 pwm front and rear for a 5800x3d on MSI B550 GamingEdge WIFI. MSI A1000G
I really wanted a Aorus 4090 master since I just love the design (had the 3070ti version of it) but it doesn’t really seem to fit in my case (lian li 011 dynamic midi) since the high costs of the gpu’s (22/2300€) I decided to go for the Suprim X and will be getting the liquid version :) I can’t wait! Thank you so much for the video :) 🙌🏻🙏🏼
Awww, I'm glad my video helped with your decision. I agree, those Aorus cards are pretty neat with the screens on them. I haven't used any 4000 series Aorus cards yet, but used a bunch of 3000 series. You won't be disappointed with a Suprim X Liquid.
I have a question about the temperature. I saw some YT videos showing the data that the Vram temperature at the LC type is higher than the AC type (about 5 Celsius). But you say all temperatures at the LC type are better than the AC type. I don't know that is the MSI improves it in the new product or for other reasons. Do you have some data to show the result?
@Scott, I experienced MUCH better VRAM temps with the LC version. I just reviewed footage of temps while benchmarking and the AC's VRAM topped out at 78C, where as the LC was 62C in the same test (Heaven 4.0). The max core temps were 60C in the LC and 68C with the AC version. I highly recommend the LC version if you're looking for lower temps.
May I ask which card is the quietest? I came here because I was looking for a replacement for my RTX 2070 Super Gigabyte model I’ve used for about 3 years. I’ve been looking forward to getting the RTX 4090, and after careful online research, I found that the MSI SUPRIM X model of the 4090 happens to be one of the QUIETEST and would seem like the perfect choice. However, not long after research, I found that the MSI SUPRIM X RTX 4090 has a few variants; most notably the air-cooled model and the “LIQUID X” model. As OtakuChad noted in the comment section, I too was concerned that there may not be enough room in my PC to install the LIQUID X model.
Thanks for tuning in! I believe the Liquid X is quieter, but I wouldn't say by much. When I recorded this, I wasn't doing complete audio-level tests to confirm, so that's just my opinion. I highly recommend both cards, but if you have the space for the 240mm rad, go for the Liquid X. One thing to consider is the re-sellability of the Liquid X. It will be harder to re-sell vs the standard Suprim X. Not sure if that's matters or not to you.
@@JohnLCharette Thanks John. Re-sellability is not really a concern for me at this time. I've been doing more research online and I've read that, many say that while liquid-cooled GPUs are efficient for cooling, they are more maintenance-intensive compared to air-cooled variety. I've also done more research on the noise levels; and according to TechPowerUp, the noise level for the MSI RTX 4090 Suprim X is measured at 28.6 - 32.6 dBA (running at 1198 - 1466 RPM), whereas the MSI RTX 4090 Suprim Liquid X is measured at 29.0 - 32.2 dBA (running at 1105 - 1197 RPM). But at the same time, I saw that the Liquid X's RPM is slightly lower compared to the Suprim X; which really makes me wonder how (in the case of the MSI RTX 4090 Suprim X) running at a higher RPM makes a smaller noise; which just really makes the Suprim X look like a great deal. After all, unlike the Liquid X, the Suprim X has the typical characteristic 3-fan frame; just like my RTX 2070 Super Gigabyte model; despite being slightly larger.
This is great information! Thanks for sharing. My experience is that the Liquid X's fans spun slower and were less loud than the Suprim X, but I didn't actually measure. As for the maintenance of the Liquid X, there is none. It's an all-in-one sealed loop. You should never open it. If it was a custom loop, then yes, you should clean the loop every 6-12 months, but you don't have to worry about that with the Liquid X card.
These cards are closed-loop, so you can't replace the liquid. Most all-in-one closed-loop solutions are good for 5-7 years. It's unlike a custom loop, where you need to replace the cooling every 6-12 months. I'd bet that it will continue to outperform the air-cooled version. There are two major downsides though.. the additional room for your rad, and the re-sellability of liquid cards is harder.
I have the suprim x and the highest temps i got was 71. The only time i reach that was playing the unoptimized Jedi survivor epic settings with ray tracing. Benchmarking never passed 68 on that card. Maybe you had a faulty one, but Suprim X, especially even more OC'ed is a beast. It uses as much power as 3090 strix oc, very quiet, doesn't get hot at all and easily plays all games at Max setting at 4k, unless they are unoptimized mess and cpu bound.
Yeah, I have a feeling you are right. I wasn't able to overclock this one much at all.. I've heard stories of people really pushing the Suprim cards even harder than the Strix cards. When I reviewed them, they were very early.. so maybe I got a dud.
@@JohnLCharette hello which card i should buy ? asus rog strix 4090 oc edition vs msi rtx 4090 suprim x I am so confused so please tell me which one I buy
The air cooled version is definitely louder. Sorry I didn’t record any decibels for this video to compare. I did do a full review on each card that has much more details. Power consumption is very similar. 520w air cooled and 530w liquid cooled.
You'll need to confirm the exact length/thickness specs on the MSI website, but I would think you'd have a hard time fitting two Suprim X's in your system without smothering one of the cards. If you had spots for 2x240mm radiators, then you could probably fit two Suprim X Liquid's though. What's your reason for wanting two 4090s?!
@@JohnLCharette My purpose for this build is machine learning, specifically for (trying to) run large language models. Because of the size of the models, the more VRAM you have the better! I'm bought a Define7 XL and I have one of the sprimx water cooled 4090s coming to start.. But I'm *really* hoping I can squeeze another one in there later to run the bigger models!
@@JohnLCharette Yes it’s one or the other. I would prefer the Liquid but have a O11 Dynamic XL with SL fans so it would look strange in the case. Which would be justifiable if it blew the air version out of the water.
What about the Aorus 4090 with it's 360mm rad? You could have that shooting out the side of your case and it wouldn't look too bad. I haven't tried the Aorus, but you may be able to replace the fans with your own SLs to keep your aesthetic. Or, replace the fans on the Suprim with SLs would work too but you'd want to add an additional 120mm so that it looks like it's taking up the full 360mm.
@@JohnLCharette From what I’ve seen the MSI slightly beats the Aorus and even though I like them both I am slightly more of an MSI fanboy. I have 4x sets of 3 SL’s that stick together with 2 of them sandwiched on my 360 EK for my 12900k. I’m not sure how I would place the 240 in the case and it not look a little off. But I’m definitely not the kind of person to settle either so instead of getting the Aorus I would get the MSI air cooled.
Excellent choice given your situation. How do you like the EK AIO? I ordered the EK Elite 360mm on Cyber Monday. It should arrive next week. I'm excited to try it out on my next build.
wich video card would you choose for yourself? MSI 4090 Suprim liquid X or Asus Tuf 4090 OC ?? I have both and I don't know which one to keep and which one to sell.
If I had room in my case for the 240mm AIO, then I'd keep the Suprim. It's also much thinner than the thick boi TUF card. If you need to make room and can't fit the radiator anymore, then use the TUF.
Care to do any testing on mice? I’m very interested in the new G-Wolf HSK Pro 4K but before I get it I need to make sure it has as low click latency as I think it does. The problem is that nobody has actually come out and said it…yet.
Ha! I actually don't know anything about mice. That G-Wolf HSK Pro 4K is insanely small. Wow! You aren't the first person to recommend to review a few keyboards and mice though, so we'll see what I can find. Thanks for the suggestion!
I wish I still had both cards to compare the two, but my best guess is no, they do not share the same PCB. Based on the size of the Liquid X and where the power connector is vs the tubes, I think it would be different. Why do you ask? Did you want to convert your air cooled into a liquid cooled?
It's very doable. You can easily unscrew them from the radiator. You just need to make sure to find the same power connector, if you want them powered through the GPU. Or, you can simply connect external power through your CHA or FAN header on your motherboard.
I just ordered the MSI Trio 4090 instead of constantly trying to wait and get the founders. The card was actually cheaper than the founders edition. Should I keep trying to get the FE or is the reliability and performance the same? I’d imagine the FE might have better resale value as well no?
The MSI Trio 4090 is my favourite 4090 right now. Better design than the FE, but more prone to coil whine. As for resale, I'm not sure. A lot of people enjoy the AIB cards for their design. All FEs look the same which can be boring. You really can't go wrong with either right now. Let me know how much coil whine you hear.
@@JohnLCharette I’ve never heard coil whine before. Hoping it isn’t something loud but I tend to keep all my fans on the higher side so everything stays cool longer. I paid $150 less then getting the FE msrp so I figured it could be the best bet. Thank you so much for your review and time to talk back with your audience.
Hi John, thanks for the great video. I intend to grab a 4090 for some machine learning model training. I will likely be running these cards for hours or even days consecutively. Do you think the slight temperature benefits of the water cooled card makes a significant difference for this use case? I don't intend to overclock, but worry that running a card continuously for long periods of time could damage it.
Hey Samuel, I wouldn’t worry about it at all. Crypto miners have been using their cards 24/7 for years and they air cool. Liquid cooling is a pain to maintain. Sure, it will be 10C cooler, but I wouldn’t worry about it. These cards are designed to run non-stop. Clean the fans and possibly replace the thermal pads once a year and you’re good! Machine learning? That sounds interesting. What industry do you work in?
@@JohnLCharette Thanks for the reply John! I don't think you mentioned why liquid cooling is hard to maintain in the video. I thought for AIOs you basically just install and forget about them. Anything else to consider? I am a graduate student studying artificial intelligence :)
Oh no, sorry. I thought you meant buying the air cooled version and installing your own water block with a custom loop. If you purchased the AIO, then you’re good. No maintenance required. As I mentioned in the video, if you have room for the 240mm rad, than the Liquid X is a great choice. For you though, either solution will work. All fans will need to be cleaned. If you plan on replacing the thermal pads, I would imagine the air cooled one is easier to change. Let me know which way you decide.
im looking to create a very quite build with a 4090 I was wondering out of the lc version of the suprim and the msi gamaing x trio , a fe and a pny which would be the best performing and quietest
Hey! Thanks for watching. An MSI 4090 Gaming X Trio arrived this morning. Stay tuned for the review and then I can compare it to the Suprim X, Suprim Liquid X and FE. I haven't found a PNY yet.
Hey, just caught a Suprim 4090 Liquid X, I would have loved to get the Suprim X Air cooled, not because of issues with mounting the rad, but with issues with the complexity of the AIO system, value in the time of the card, resale sentiment, which is more challenging for liquid cards to get sold when I upgrade, rather than the easier air ones, lifetime span as AIO usually die faster than air-cooled ones. I also saw a lot of initial reviews that the 4090 Liquid X has really high temps of Memory, as the water block does not cover the memories, so those are served only by the small fan on the GPU. How is yours working on time? I also managed to snag a 4090 FE, should I refund the 4090 Liquid X or try to sell the 4090 FE? Or should I keep the 4090 FE and if I really need it buy a water block for it? Was also watching the 4090 Gigabyte OC, and saw that this gen was really good, and people also recommended Aorus 4090 Master. The issue is that after sticking gold with Aorus 1080, the 2080 TI and 3080 were a disaster. Also, I have their motherboard, which is really solid constructed hardware wise but the software they have has been horrible. So yeah, any recommendations?
Hey! Thanks for tuning in. Of all the 4090s I've reviewed so far, the Suprim X LC was the best performing card. I just reviewed footage of temps while benchmarking and the AC's VRAM topped out at 78C, where as the LC was 62C in the same test (Heaven 4.0). But, I completely agree that a LC card is harder to resell later on. If you're like me and switch cards often. I'd stick with the 4090 FE, unless you put a water block on it, because then you're in the same boat. Tough to sell. Overall, the 4090 FE is a great card, check out my review here: ua-cam.com/video/xdkpFa1tp6Y/v-deo.html I haven't tried out any 4000 series Gigabyte OC variant. As you mentioned, they haven't had great history and I tend to stay away from them. In the end, it's going to come down what type of person you are. Do you want bling? You'll want an AC card. If you're straight performance, than the Suprim X LC works really well. I have heard people complain about coil whine, which I didn't have with mine. Let me know what you end up doing. I'm curious to hear your thought process. Thanks again!
@@JohnLCharette Most likely it will come down to, temperatures, especially those RAM temperatures, acoustics and coil whine. No, I do not want bling. My PC case is a Meshify S2 and I put it on the floor, no one will look at it, and I am not that interested in RGB. I am on performance, but I am not sure I want to overclock it that much, especially since people tend to underclock them. I also want the card to not be huge, and the Liquid X helps with that, but it occupies a bigger height, cause you cannot bend the tubing that much. Still should have space in my PC without problems. I guess the GPU is really great vertically, for smaller form factors. Also is it worth it to pay 446 Euros more on it, for a minimal FPS performance increase? Actually, the difference is in thermals and acoustics. No... I don't think so. Writing that now, seeing the price diff in euros, rather than country currency really opens up my eyes. Suprim X Liquid was 2699 Euros yesterday and just came back in stock today for 2353 Euros. But Nvidia FE was 1907 euros. The issue is that I had to dropship it, and while the warranty is in my name, the address is in another country and the warranty can become difficult I guess. Most likely if there are no issues I will keep the 4090 FE. I am also not that inclined and technically savvy to put a water block on the 4090 FE, so it's either an AIO version or a air-cooled one. Will look at your 4090 FE review. But most likely as I said if there is no issue with the 4090 FE I get, and having more awareness of the price diff, I will keep the 4090 FE. You can put that price diff on getting a really good X670E motherboard or money toward a 7000X3D CPU if those get announced soon.
Anybody here by any chance happen to own the lc version and can tell me how difficult it would be to take the card apart, replace the thermal paste and thermal pads? I saw an individual who reviewed this card on Newegg and explained he did what I just mentioned said it helped out temps and performance a bit. Thanks in advance
@Isaac, I don't have that card anymore to check for you, but I found this video that might provide some information: ua-cam.com/video/fWFI4zJVNFA/v-deo.html Hope it helps!
I wish I knew how to fix that.. or what I was doing to cause it. That's a pretty old video. Do you mind checking a newer video to see if the audio is any better? ua-cam.com/video/XVB718HgEHM/v-deo.html
after three months of hitting refresh finally newegg got the Liquid in stock at MSRP...never clicked checkout so fast in my life and yes it sold out in less than a hour
Congrats!! That's amazing. I know this is probably too late, but could work for your next one. Check out my video on how to setup Discord alerts so that you don't have to keep refreshing ;) ua-cam.com/video/EZw7Oygk4WE/v-deo.html
Same! I'd love a new PSU with a dedicated 16pin connector. I was looking at the Asus Loki model but can't find the ATX version anywhere. Which brand/model are you looking to get?
Thanks for the video. Not sure about the fact that 3 cables actually limit the Power draw, and 4 automatically means 600. Think they over delivered with the required 4 cable specs. Please let us know how the 4090 Strix vs the 4090 MSI Suprim compares. And also if you get your hand on the Aorus Waterforce card.
@Sapca, so I actually tested this tonight and confirmed it's true. If you have all 4x8pin connectors, you can get the full 600w power, but if you only connect 3x8pin connectors, it software limits you to 450w. I'm doing by best to get more cards. Testing a 4080 Strix right now.
It's an amazing card. You won't be disappointed! Thankfully, cards are in hot demand right now. If you didn't like it and want to sell it, I'm sure there are lots of people who would gladly buy it off you.
That's a great question! I haven't tried out any 4K monitors yet. I'm still using my 34" Ultrawide @ 3440x1440 resolution @ 100hz. Maybe someone else reading this may have some good suggestions for you. If I come across any 4K monitors, I will definitely review them!
@@JohnLCharette Yeah 1440p is just the sweet spot since I don’t think 4k worth it for 4090 but thanks might just get a Alienware OLED then arrive before Christmas.
Yeah, you are completely right. The VRAM are cooled by the on-board fan vs the rad. I haven't reviewed the Aorus 360mm version and wonder when Asus will release their AIO version. Which is your favourite?
Which AIO? Definitely the MSI. I'd get the 360. But I fear it may conflict with the 360 CPU AIO I already have at the top of my case. But, yeah, digging that MSI style.
As far as I know, the only other company to create an AIO 4090 is Gigabyte with their Aorus Waterforce card here: www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N4090AORUSX-W-24GD-rev-10#kf
Awesome. I guess I can get one once the 5000 series nVidia GPUs come out. Cause, you know, like nowhere in stock, and where I can find it, it's like 175% higher than MSRP. So.... I guess I should start a review channel to get one......
@Sparky, yeah it can be frustrating to find cards when they first come out. I wish my channel was big enough that companies sent me cards. I've found and purchased everyone one of these cards myself for retail price using the technique I explain in one of my videos: ua-cam.com/video/EZw7Oygk4WE/v-deo.html
@@JohnLCharette Thanks. Will look into it. Just FYI, they're now selling this card in my country for about $1000 over the MSRP...... I'd buy from the states, but I gotta deal with whether it can be shipped Int'l or not. If it's around MSRP, even with customs hit, it'd still be cheaper than what the devils are currently charging....
@Sparky - oh no, that sounds very frustrating! I'm in Canada and have had to use certain import services to get things into the country that only ship to the USA. What country do you live in?
@@JohnLCharette 5700XT. So it's a bit of a jump. Main problem was i got it through an auction so i was very confused as to why it was so cheap. Got it in the system now though. It OC's like a dream. No coil whine. Card's immaculate. Must have just been a display piece of a store going under I assume as the box was scuffed.
Ha! If I could only go back in time ;) When I created this video back in late Nov/early Dec, there weren't dedicated 12v cables yet. I ended up getting a Corsair one shortly after. I have since done another video about dedicated 12v cables here: ua-cam.com/video/IpujnC1lGY4/v-deo.html and YES, I would highly recommend using one verses the adapter. It's soo ugly ;)
Your statement about memory temps being better on the Liquid seem anomalous. Every other review site has pointed out the relatively hot memory temps on the Liquid due to the GPU cold plate just touching the VRAM without any water flow over them.
Yeah, I was just doing some basic testing with what I experienced. I have also read about the same VRAM problem. I didn't do a straight VRAM test, like mining that would really push it.
@@JohnLCharette maybe tear down your air cooled card if you still have it. It should not be in the 80s on the memory when gaming. MSI is not immune to crooked thermal pads or poor contact pressure. I make a point to swap thermal paste and pads on every new card I buy just in case.
I wish I still had these cards. When I bought them, I had already re-sold them to someone else so I couldn't test them for long. I usually buy cards, review them and then re-sell them as fast as I can so that I can use that money to buy more cards ;)
Snagged myself the Liquid cooled model, had an opportunity and took it. Can't wait for it to come in later this week.
Very nice!! Congrats. Where do you plan on mounting the 240mm rad? What case are you using?
@@JohnLCharette Lian Li Dynamic going to change the fans around, mount AIO fans on the back, and change the fans from the back to the bottom and I'll have the GPU vertical mounted. Already have it planned out.
@@1289dude Link? for the fans? and Can we see your build?
Grats! What’s your opinion on better thermals for the GPU? Mounting the radiator to the top as exhaust or front as intake? Would there be a big difference? Is it safe to mount as exhaust?
@@Kurplode I have a Hyte Y60 Case, I mounted it on the back panel. With a 360mm Radiator for my CPU on top. So I have a double AIO Pc.
I have learned though, that if you’re going to replace the fans, make sure theyre 4 pin and are at least 2200RPM .
The card gets really hot. Standard 120mm may not be enough to cool it down
Mr. Charette, the feedback and attention you give your audience is appreciated. Thank you for making this video. I bought a MSI Liquid Suprim because of you. Cheers.
Awww, it's message like this that keep me creating content. Thank you so much. I'm glad I was able to help. I really enjoyed using that card.
I just got a miracle deal on one of these bad boys in a complete system with 96 gb ram, an 11th gen intel i9 cpu, and 3 NVMe drives over 1 tb each all for several hundred less than the market value of the suprim liquid x. Can’t wait to see what this bad boy can do
Oh wow.. that's incredible! And, if you want to upgrade in the future, you can easily replace the motherboard & CPU, keep the GPU, SSDs.. probably not the RAM, as it's DDR4, but still. Good find!!
I love the liquid cooled version. It's so quiet.
First time viewer and want to say your content is very good. Keep it up
Thank you so much! Appreciate the love.
I think one of the pros for liquid cooling is sound. For example, the liquid cool card may be able to run at 80% power output with a relatively low fan speed. Any comment on that?
100% agree. From what I know, you can run your fans much slower to cool the liquid inside a radiator vs higher speed fans to remove heat from a heatsink. I often hear people talk about how silent liquid cooling builds are in general. Thanks for adding this information :)
@@JohnLCharette The fans on the radiator are far bigger in diameter (120mm) than the fans that the air coolers use which seem to be 80/100mm. I genuinely have no idea why they keep making the fans on aircooled cards so small. Probably cheaper for them.
i want to see how it compairs to the aorus xtreme 4090
im torn between the two
Yes! The Aorus Xtreme is a monster card and definitely compares to the Suprim 4090. I still haven't gotten my hands on one of those or an Asus Strix 4090. Very elusive cards, but if/when I find them, I will definitely review them. Stay tuned! What's your gut feeling between the two?
Was able snipe the LC off Amazon for US MRSP $1749.99
Wow, that’s amazing! Especially for Amazon. What case are you using and where did you mount the rad?
@@JohnLCharette Deepcool CL500, top mount GPU cooler. Front mount Arctic LF2 240 and another Arctic P12 pwm front and rear for a 5800x3d on MSI B550 GamingEdge WIFI. MSI A1000G
Ohh, I hadn't seen that case before. That's awesome with either front or top mount for the rad.
C'est dommage de ne pas avoir fait un tableau avec les températures maxi du GPU et mémoires des 2 systèmes de refroidissement.....
Good feedback! I will definitely create a table with that information when I create my next comparison video. Thank you very much :)
I really wanted a Aorus 4090 master since I just love the design (had the 3070ti version of it) but it doesn’t really seem to fit in my case (lian li 011 dynamic midi) since the high costs of the gpu’s (22/2300€) I decided to go for the Suprim X and will be getting the liquid version :) I can’t wait! Thank you so much for the video :) 🙌🏻🙏🏼
Awww, I'm glad my video helped with your decision. I agree, those Aorus cards are pretty neat with the screens on them. I haven't used any 4000 series Aorus cards yet, but used a bunch of 3000 series. You won't be disappointed with a Suprim X Liquid.
I have a question about the temperature. I saw some YT videos showing the data that the Vram temperature at the LC type is higher than the AC type (about 5 Celsius). But you say all temperatures at the LC type are better than the AC type. I don't know that is the MSI improves it in the new product or for other reasons. Do you have some data to show the result?
@Scott, I experienced MUCH better VRAM temps with the LC version. I just reviewed footage of temps while benchmarking and the AC's VRAM topped out at 78C, where as the LC was 62C in the same test (Heaven 4.0). The max core temps were 60C in the LC and 68C with the AC version. I highly recommend the LC version if you're looking for lower temps.
@@JohnLCharette Thank you very much for your reply. I think I will buy the LC version.
May I ask which card is the quietest?
I came here because I was looking for a replacement for my RTX 2070 Super Gigabyte model I’ve used for about 3 years. I’ve been looking forward to getting the RTX 4090, and after careful online research, I found that the MSI SUPRIM X model of the 4090 happens to be one of the QUIETEST and would seem like the perfect choice. However, not long after research, I found that the MSI SUPRIM X RTX 4090 has a few variants; most notably the air-cooled model and the “LIQUID X” model. As OtakuChad noted in the comment section, I too was concerned that there may not be enough room in my PC to install the LIQUID X model.
Thanks for tuning in! I believe the Liquid X is quieter, but I wouldn't say by much. When I recorded this, I wasn't doing complete audio-level tests to confirm, so that's just my opinion. I highly recommend both cards, but if you have the space for the 240mm rad, go for the Liquid X. One thing to consider is the re-sellability of the Liquid X. It will be harder to re-sell vs the standard Suprim X. Not sure if that's matters or not to you.
@@JohnLCharette Thanks John.
Re-sellability is not really a concern for me at this time. I've been doing more research online and I've read that, many say that while liquid-cooled GPUs are efficient for cooling, they are more maintenance-intensive compared to air-cooled variety. I've also done more research on the noise levels; and according to TechPowerUp, the noise level for the MSI RTX 4090 Suprim X is measured at 28.6 - 32.6 dBA (running at 1198 - 1466 RPM), whereas the MSI RTX 4090 Suprim Liquid X is measured at 29.0 - 32.2 dBA (running at 1105 - 1197 RPM). But at the same time, I saw that the Liquid X's RPM is slightly lower compared to the Suprim X; which really makes me wonder how (in the case of the MSI RTX 4090 Suprim X) running at a higher RPM makes a smaller noise; which just really makes the Suprim X look like a great deal. After all, unlike the Liquid X, the Suprim X has the typical characteristic 3-fan frame; just like my RTX 2070 Super Gigabyte model; despite being slightly larger.
This is great information! Thanks for sharing. My experience is that the Liquid X's fans spun slower and were less loud than the Suprim X, but I didn't actually measure.
As for the maintenance of the Liquid X, there is none. It's an all-in-one sealed loop. You should never open it. If it was a custom loop, then yes, you should clean the loop every 6-12 months, but you don't have to worry about that with the Liquid X card.
I wonder how long the liquid cooled one will perform better.... Can you refill the cooling in these cards?
These cards are closed-loop, so you can't replace the liquid. Most all-in-one closed-loop solutions are good for 5-7 years. It's unlike a custom loop, where you need to replace the cooling every 6-12 months. I'd bet that it will continue to outperform the air-cooled version. There are two major downsides though.. the additional room for your rad, and the re-sellability of liquid cards is harder.
Liquid X is my next purchase. Cant wait!
I have the suprim x and the highest temps i got was 71. The only time i reach that was playing the unoptimized Jedi survivor epic settings with ray tracing. Benchmarking never passed 68 on that card. Maybe you had a faulty one, but Suprim X, especially even more OC'ed is a beast. It uses as much power as 3090 strix oc, very quiet, doesn't get hot at all and easily plays all games at Max setting at 4k, unless they are unoptimized mess and cpu bound.
Yeah, I have a feeling you are right. I wasn't able to overclock this one much at all.. I've heard stories of people really pushing the Suprim cards even harder than the Strix cards. When I reviewed them, they were very early.. so maybe I got a dud.
@@JohnLCharette yeah could be. I don't overclock too much, I just added +150 on the core and +150 on the memory, and it's been stable ever since.
@@JohnLCharette hello which card i should buy ? asus rog strix 4090 oc edition vs msi rtx 4090 suprim x I am so confused so please tell me which one I buy
Noise ? power consumption ????????????
The air cooled version is definitely louder. Sorry I didn’t record any decibels for this video to compare. I did do a full review on each card that has much more details.
Power consumption is very similar. 520w air cooled and 530w liquid cooled.
@@JohnLCharette thank You!! 👍👍👍👍
Any problems fitting 2 of these in 1 machine with how thick/long these cards are?
You'll need to confirm the exact length/thickness specs on the MSI website, but I would think you'd have a hard time fitting two Suprim X's in your system without smothering one of the cards. If you had spots for 2x240mm radiators, then you could probably fit two Suprim X Liquid's though.
What's your reason for wanting two 4090s?!
@@JohnLCharette My purpose for this build is machine learning, specifically for (trying to) run large language models. Because of the size of the models, the more VRAM you have the better!
I'm bought a Define7 XL and I have one of the sprimx water cooled 4090s coming to start.. But I'm *really* hoping I can squeeze another one in there later to run the bigger models!
YES! Thank you for posting!
@B3n no problem! I got you. Are you considering either of these two cards?
@@JohnLCharette Yes it’s one or the other. I would prefer the Liquid but have a O11 Dynamic XL with SL fans so it would look strange in the case. Which would be justifiable if it blew the air version out of the water.
What about the Aorus 4090 with it's 360mm rad? You could have that shooting out the side of your case and it wouldn't look too bad. I haven't tried the Aorus, but you may be able to replace the fans with your own SLs to keep your aesthetic. Or, replace the fans on the Suprim with SLs would work too but you'd want to add an additional 120mm so that it looks like it's taking up the full 360mm.
@@JohnLCharette From what I’ve seen the MSI slightly beats the Aorus and even though I like them both I am slightly more of an MSI fanboy. I have 4x sets of 3 SL’s that stick together with 2 of them sandwiched on my 360 EK for my 12900k. I’m not sure how I would place the 240 in the case and it not look a little off. But I’m definitely not the kind of person to settle either so instead of getting the Aorus I would get the MSI air cooled.
Excellent choice given your situation. How do you like the EK AIO? I ordered the EK Elite 360mm on Cyber Monday. It should arrive next week. I'm excited to try it out on my next build.
wich video card would you choose for yourself?
MSI 4090 Suprim liquid X or Asus Tuf 4090 OC ??
I have both and I don't know which one to keep and which one to sell.
If I had room in my case for the 240mm AIO, then I'd keep the Suprim. It's also much thinner than the thick boi TUF card. If you need to make room and can't fit the radiator anymore, then use the TUF.
@@JohnLCharette thank You 🤠🤟🏻
Care to do any testing on mice? I’m very interested in the new G-Wolf HSK Pro 4K but before I get it I need to make sure it has as low click latency as I think it does. The problem is that nobody has actually come out and said it…yet.
Ha! I actually don't know anything about mice. That G-Wolf HSK Pro 4K is insanely small. Wow! You aren't the first person to recommend to review a few keyboards and mice though, so we'll see what I can find. Thanks for the suggestion!
@@JohnLCharette I'm not too far behind you, just recently discovered I like "fingertip grip" and now I'm hooked.
Googles 'fingertip grip' - interesting! Huh. Who knew! I'll have to try it out. Thanks for the update!
Do they have the same PCB?
I wish I still had both cards to compare the two, but my best guess is no, they do not share the same PCB. Based on the size of the Liquid X and where the power connector is vs the tubes, I think it would be different.
Why do you ask? Did you want to convert your air cooled into a liquid cooled?
How difficult/is it possible to change out the fans on the radiator?
It's very doable. You can easily unscrew them from the radiator. You just need to make sure to find the same power connector, if you want them powered through the GPU. Or, you can simply connect external power through your CHA or FAN header on your motherboard.
I just ordered the MSI Trio 4090 instead of constantly trying to wait and get the founders. The card was actually cheaper than the founders edition. Should I keep trying to get the FE or is the reliability and performance the same? I’d imagine the FE might have better resale value as well no?
The MSI Trio 4090 is my favourite 4090 right now. Better design than the FE, but more prone to coil whine. As for resale, I'm not sure. A lot of people enjoy the AIB cards for their design. All FEs look the same which can be boring. You really can't go wrong with either right now. Let me know how much coil whine you hear.
@@JohnLCharette I’ve never heard coil whine before. Hoping it isn’t something loud but I tend to keep all my fans on the higher side so everything stays cool longer. I paid $150 less then getting the FE msrp so I figured it could be the best bet. Thank you so much for your review and time to talk back with your audience.
Hi John, thanks for the great video. I intend to grab a 4090 for some machine learning model training. I will likely be running these cards for hours or even days consecutively. Do you think the slight temperature benefits of the water cooled card makes a significant difference for this use case? I don't intend to overclock, but worry that running a card continuously for long periods of time could damage it.
Hey Samuel, I wouldn’t worry about it at all. Crypto miners have been using their cards 24/7 for years and they air cool. Liquid cooling is a pain to maintain. Sure, it will be 10C cooler, but I wouldn’t worry about it. These cards are designed to run non-stop. Clean the fans and possibly replace the thermal pads once a year and you’re good!
Machine learning? That sounds interesting. What industry do you work in?
@@JohnLCharette Thanks for the reply John! I don't think you mentioned why liquid cooling is hard to maintain in the video. I thought for AIOs you basically just install and forget about them. Anything else to consider?
I am a graduate student studying artificial intelligence :)
Oh no, sorry. I thought you meant buying the air cooled version and installing your own water block with a custom loop. If you purchased the AIO, then you’re good. No maintenance required.
As I mentioned in the video, if you have room for the 240mm rad, than the Liquid X is a great choice. For you though, either solution will work. All fans will need to be cleaned. If you plan on replacing the thermal pads, I would imagine the air cooled one is easier to change.
Let me know which way you decide.
im looking to create a very quite build with a 4090 I was wondering out of the lc version of the suprim and the msi gamaing x trio , a fe and a pny which would be the best performing and quietest
Hey! Thanks for watching. An MSI 4090 Gaming X Trio arrived this morning. Stay tuned for the review and then I can compare it to the Suprim X, Suprim Liquid X and FE. I haven't found a PNY yet.
Hey, just caught a Suprim 4090 Liquid X, I would have loved to get the Suprim X Air cooled, not because of issues with mounting the rad, but with issues with the complexity of the AIO system, value in the time of the card, resale sentiment, which is more challenging for liquid cards to get sold when I upgrade, rather than the easier air ones, lifetime span as AIO usually die faster than air-cooled ones.
I also saw a lot of initial reviews that the 4090 Liquid X has really high temps of Memory, as the water block does not cover the memories, so those are served only by the small fan on the GPU. How is yours working on time?
I also managed to snag a 4090 FE, should I refund the 4090 Liquid X or try to sell the 4090 FE? Or should I keep the 4090 FE and if I really need it buy a water block for it? Was also watching the 4090 Gigabyte OC, and saw that this gen was really good, and people also recommended Aorus 4090 Master. The issue is that after sticking gold with Aorus 1080, the 2080 TI and 3080 were a disaster. Also, I have their motherboard, which is really solid constructed hardware wise but the software they have has been horrible.
So yeah, any recommendations?
Hey! Thanks for tuning in. Of all the 4090s I've reviewed so far, the Suprim X LC was the best performing card. I just reviewed footage of temps while benchmarking and the AC's VRAM topped out at 78C, where as the LC was 62C in the same test (Heaven 4.0). But, I completely agree that a LC card is harder to resell later on.
If you're like me and switch cards often. I'd stick with the 4090 FE, unless you put a water block on it, because then you're in the same boat. Tough to sell. Overall, the 4090 FE is a great card, check out my review here: ua-cam.com/video/xdkpFa1tp6Y/v-deo.html
I haven't tried out any 4000 series Gigabyte OC variant. As you mentioned, they haven't had great history and I tend to stay away from them.
In the end, it's going to come down what type of person you are. Do you want bling? You'll want an AC card. If you're straight performance, than the Suprim X LC works really well. I have heard people complain about coil whine, which I didn't have with mine. Let me know what you end up doing. I'm curious to hear your thought process. Thanks again!
@@JohnLCharette Most likely it will come down to, temperatures, especially those RAM temperatures, acoustics and coil whine.
No, I do not want bling. My PC case is a Meshify S2 and I put it on the floor, no one will look at it, and I am not that interested in RGB.
I am on performance, but I am not sure I want to overclock it that much, especially since people tend to underclock them.
I also want the card to not be huge, and the Liquid X helps with that, but it occupies a bigger height, cause you cannot bend the tubing that much. Still should have space in my PC without problems. I guess the GPU is really great vertically, for smaller form factors.
Also is it worth it to pay 446 Euros more on it, for a minimal FPS performance increase? Actually, the difference is in thermals and acoustics. No... I don't think so. Writing that now, seeing the price diff in euros, rather than country currency really opens up my eyes. Suprim X Liquid was 2699 Euros yesterday and just came back in stock today for 2353 Euros. But Nvidia FE was 1907 euros. The issue is that I had to dropship it, and while the warranty is in my name, the address is in another country and the warranty can become difficult I guess.
Most likely if there are no issues I will keep the 4090 FE.
I am also not that inclined and technically savvy to put a water block on the 4090 FE, so it's either an AIO version or a air-cooled one.
Will look at your 4090 FE review.
But most likely as I said if there is no issue with the 4090 FE I get, and having more awareness of the price diff, I will keep the 4090 FE. You can put that price diff on getting a really good X670E motherboard or money toward a 7000X3D CPU if those get announced soon.
I went with the air cool because there is no space for me to have the liquid cool radiator in my case.
Yup, good call. I also don’t have room for the 240mm radiator so I would choose air cooled as well. Hope you love it.
@@billbrooke4355 Hi, I'm looking at this card as I noticed it just came on sale in my area. How have you found the noise or coil whine?
Anybody here by any chance happen to own the lc version and can tell me how difficult it would be to take the card apart, replace the thermal paste and thermal pads? I saw an individual who reviewed this card on Newegg and explained he did what I just mentioned said it helped out temps and performance a bit. Thanks in advance
@Isaac, I don't have that card anymore to check for you, but I found this video that might provide some information: ua-cam.com/video/fWFI4zJVNFA/v-deo.html Hope it helps!
@@JohnLCharette Thanks man. That actually helps out a ton. You just got a new sub.
pro tip: you compress the audio too much (dynamic compression) and that brings up the room tone considerably.
I wish I knew how to fix that.. or what I was doing to cause it. That's a pretty old video. Do you mind checking a newer video to see if the audio is any better? ua-cam.com/video/XVB718HgEHM/v-deo.html
What bios need to get the 4090 lc msi to 600watts thanks
@eay th, I haven't found one yet but when I do, I'll post some details about it.
after three months of hitting refresh finally newegg got the Liquid in stock at MSRP...never clicked checkout so fast in my life and yes it sold out in less than a hour
Congrats!! That's amazing. I know this is probably too late, but could work for your next one. Check out my video on how to setup Discord alerts so that you don't have to keep refreshing ;) ua-cam.com/video/EZw7Oygk4WE/v-deo.html
@@JohnLCharette thanks, still waiting for a pci 3.0 psu before i install the card as that 4 plug dongle thing is fugly
Same! I'd love a new PSU with a dedicated 16pin connector. I was looking at the Asus Loki model but can't find the ATX version anywhere. Which brand/model are you looking to get?
Thanks for the video. Not sure about the fact that 3 cables actually limit the Power draw, and 4 automatically means 600. Think they over delivered with the required 4 cable specs. Please let us know how the 4090 Strix vs the 4090 MSI Suprim compares. And also if you get your hand on the Aorus Waterforce card.
@Sapca, so I actually tested this tonight and confirmed it's true. If you have all 4x8pin connectors, you can get the full 600w power, but if you only connect 3x8pin connectors, it software limits you to 450w. I'm doing by best to get more cards. Testing a 4080 Strix right now.
@@JohnLCharette Alright, thanks for the information!
@@JohnLCharetteare you talking suprimx? Cause it doesn't go up to 600, the max power is 520 or 530 even with 4 connectors
I got the surpim X air cooler idk if this card good or bad I might regret it!
It's an amazing card. You won't be disappointed! Thankfully, cards are in hot demand right now. If you didn't like it and want to sell it, I'm sure there are lots of people who would gladly buy it off you.
@@JohnLCharette thanks I definitely keep my👍
@@JohnLCharette btw what’s the best 4k 120hz montier am trying to wait for a new OLED,but man that Alienware nice idk if I should go Asus,or LG?
That's a great question! I haven't tried out any 4K monitors yet. I'm still using my 34" Ultrawide @ 3440x1440 resolution @ 100hz. Maybe someone else reading this may have some good suggestions for you. If I come across any 4K monitors, I will definitely review them!
@@JohnLCharette Yeah 1440p is just the sweet spot since I don’t think 4k worth it for 4090 but thanks might just get a Alienware OLED then arrive before Christmas.
It's not a full waterblock. The memory is still air cooled. And from what I've seen, not very well.
Yeah, you are completely right. The VRAM are cooled by the on-board fan vs the rad. I haven't reviewed the Aorus 360mm version and wonder when Asus will release their AIO version. Which is your favourite?
Which AIO? Definitely the MSI. I'd get the 360. But I fear it may conflict with the 360 CPU AIO I already have at the top of my case. But, yeah, digging that MSI style.
As far as I know, the only other company to create an AIO 4090 is Gigabyte with their Aorus Waterforce card here: www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N4090AORUSX-W-24GD-rev-10#kf
no charts but you'll buy 2 $1700 cards? weird
Yeah, sorry about that. This video was from a while back and I've since added in charts into my videos. #learning Thanks for watching!
@@JohnLCharette you should redo the video, it's still relevant!
He looks like he could be JoWo's dad
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Thank you so much!!
Awesome. I guess I can get one once the 5000 series nVidia GPUs come out. Cause, you know, like nowhere in stock, and where I can find it, it's like 175% higher than MSRP. So.... I guess I should start a review channel to get one......
@Sparky, yeah it can be frustrating to find cards when they first come out. I wish my channel was big enough that companies sent me cards. I've found and purchased everyone one of these cards myself for retail price using the technique I explain in one of my videos: ua-cam.com/video/EZw7Oygk4WE/v-deo.html
@@JohnLCharette Thanks. Will look into it. Just FYI, they're now selling this card in my country for about $1000 over the MSRP......
I'd buy from the states, but I gotta deal with whether it can be shipped Int'l or not. If it's around MSRP, even with customs hit, it'd still be cheaper than what the devils are currently charging....
@Sparky - oh no, that sounds very frustrating! I'm in Canada and have had to use certain import services to get things into the country that only ship to the USA. What country do you live in?
@@JohnLCharette Japan
Managed to pick up a Supprim X for £1k. Rather chuffed.
Very nice! Congrats. I have seen the prices on the Suprim 4090 cards start to lower a bit this week. What care were you upgrading from?
@@JohnLCharette 5700XT. So it's a bit of a jump. Main problem was i got it through an auction so i was very confused as to why it was so cheap.
Got it in the system now though. It OC's like a dream. No coil whine. Card's immaculate. Must have just been a display piece of a store going under I assume as the box was scuffed.
Oh wow, that's awesome that there's no coil whine either. And I agree, it's an OC monster! Sounds like you got a great deal. Enjoy!
I boght the liquid one for 1600$ USD
That's amazing! That's a really good deal. What case are you using and where did you mount the 240mm rad?
Tbh when you make a video and talk about looks, then atleast get a psu with a 12 vhpwr cabel instead of that horrible connecter they send with it 😂
Ha! If I could only go back in time ;) When I created this video back in late Nov/early Dec, there weren't dedicated 12v cables yet. I ended up getting a Corsair one shortly after. I have since done another video about dedicated 12v cables here: ua-cam.com/video/IpujnC1lGY4/v-deo.html and YES, I would highly recommend using one verses the adapter. It's soo ugly ;)
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