Not Fully Evolved Pokemon that are ACTUALLY GOOD
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Surprised no mention of Murkrow seeing how dominant it is now in VGC meta and how it's a great example of how the pre evolution plays drastically different than the evo
Was gonna mention this, I know VGC isn't Joey's specialty but a NFE Pokemon that is dominating a meta like that definitely deserves its praise. Even if Murkrow was a fully evolved mon at one point, it's a far cry from ones that were already really good before getting an evo like Chansey or Bisharp.
This was made before November and I added the line about Bisharp and Kingambit last minute. If i had made it during i would have mentioned those + ursaring and stuff
@@pokeaimMD hasn’t the crow always had use tho? Like I always though it was better thanks to prankster
Better than Honchkrow when it had Brave Bird + Pursuit? Nah never lol. It still had use sure but was never better than Honchkrow. Yes it could be used in lower tiers and was banned from LC but i don’t think it could be called “good” til recent
@@MrMonkey2150 it's had use but it's definitely not been better than Honchkrow until recently, and that's only in doubles. In singles neither is particularly amazing but Honchkrow can always be a threat, while Murkrow is super niche and isn't able to fill the same role it does in doubles
The fact that demon Bisharp is now a NFE is wild
I like Kingambit well enough but talk about an unnecessary evolution....
@@christinefarrell6438I Think Bisharp would be better with a mega than with a new evo
@@Veinelso Now I'm wondering if Kingambit is recycled design elements from ideas for a mega Bisharp....
@@christinefarrell6438 I hated Kingambits design so much i dropped it from my team and trained another Bisharp.
Ngl i would've preferred if Pawniard could evolve to either, Bisharp to Kingambit doesnt seem right to me.
Gen 8 had a lot of Porygon 2, Chansey, Scyther and Type Null running around. Gen 9 has Girafarig, Ursaring, and Hisuian Qwilfish.
And bisharp which has no business being NFE
Bisharp, Primeape, Naclstack? Havent seen the video yet
@@jackvanholland7606 totally gonna glance over murkrow lol
Which tier was scyther on gen 8 and was it good at that tier ?
Eviolite technician scyther was very fun to play
Doublade has been one of my favorite NFEs to use over the years, the fact that it was a UU staple in gens 6 and 7 and even had valid OU niches upon Aegislash's ban in gen 6 was really cool to me. The unique typing and physical bulk while being able to threaten sweeps with Swords Dance late-game let it have a much-needed role on a lot of teams at the time
How can you not talk about the other improved Bisharp set too ? The Black Sludge Tera Poison Bisharp can do shamone numbers on unsuspecting enemies. Truly the greatest
Always good to see a fellow agent 🫡🫡🍻
@@krooby7442 Agency Agency
Eviolite bisharp can tank a stab fire blast
why run bisharp over kingambit if you dont use eviolite
@@BOOPBEEP859 thats the point. Their saying they’d only use bisharp if they’re using it with evolite.
Was expecting to see Prankster Murkrow show up but I'm assuming this was made before the Gen 9 meta game
It is everywhere in vgc more than z move eevee in gen 7
Or dusclops in gen 8
P2 had similar usage in gen 8 to murcrow now
Yeah Joey said in another comment that this was written in November
one thing i wish they added was an offensive version of the eviolite, eviolite only really benefits bulky mons so having an analogous item that gives +1 atk and spatk instead if its holder isn't fully evolved just makes sense and would make so many more nfes more viable
i disagree that it only helps bulky mons, like at the end of the day an offensive mon being able to tank an extra hit is still really good, but i we totally should get an offensive eviolite that woudl be dope
Yeah, but that would mean Light Ball is basically a glorified Eviolite. Unless if they add boosts in every other stats or add more boost to SpA and Atk stats, I don't think it would make any sense.
@@krisjolt make it up speed too snd i dont think anyone would complain
@@jacobluneberg597 I guess that make sense. Having a higher advantage on attacking and speed is pretty good enough. The players could either invest on a more bulky Pikachu or a oneshot Pikachu
@@krisjolt besides, light ball already gives a +2 in atk and spatk while an offensive eviolite would only give +1 like the regular one, so it's still better even as is
Joey one recommendation I have with this videos is to let the information breathe. They’re jam packed with great info about competitive Pokémon but it’s important that the viewer is able to pick it all up and understand it for the best results
Charjabug is goated, great webs + t-wave support, pretty good phys def, and a relatively slow pivot. Gen 8 ZU demon
also interesting how some nfe pokemon can have a better niche than their fully evolved forms
Porygon 2 go brr
yup! have a whole section on this in the vid
When the Charizard Tera Raid was going on I used a Chansey over Blissey solely because the 10 HP sacrifice was worth it to run Eviolite. 700 HP and over 500 SpDef meant I never went under 50% health
funny how the NFE smogon tier doesn't have ever anyone playing in it
Prankster Murkrow anyone
General question for anyone to answer. If a Pokémon is holding an eviolite would body press be stronger or no. Same goes to the new mechanic for snow where it boosts defense of ice types
Nah. Choice band boosts it tho
@@pokeaimMD wait for realllll I been playing showdown for so long and never knew body press was boosted by band😳
@@CashoutRenny224choice band make every physical moves 1,5x stronger not the attack stat as showdown make us think it does
Assault vest bisharp got a defense boost and can now use status moves as well.
Evolite Lickitung with Dragon Tail let's goooooooooo
Back in gen 5 NU, I tried out Rest-talk mono-attacking eviolite Gurdurr. That thing could stall pretty effectively while chipping away with drain punch.
Restalk and drain punch? That's wild bruv
@@e-duh3529 Rest, Sleep Talk, Bulk Up, Drain Punch. Sleep provides a Guts boost as well, which is always nice.
@@CptGallant that's mad bruh. I dig it
The wildest RestTalker I ran was Dragonair with Dragon Tail and DDance, back before I knew how many people used it too.
Rest got banned where we were because of me lmao
Haunter and Kadabra have always been above their evolutions in design to me, and them being viable both in game and lower tiers has always been a treat
Their evolutions were also hard to acquire in game.
I like Gengar, but like you I LOVE Haunter. Top 10 Pokémon for me for sure!
Surprised he didn’t mention how in Gen 5 Bidoof, the GOAT, was banned from Ubers thanks to the sheer power of the Moody ability
RBY lower tiers have a lot of funny examples of just how centralized the metagame is around certain factors; Kadabra and Haunter are in UU for amazing typings, great special, and speed, similar to their evolutions in OU. You can get away with Dragonair in UU even with Dragonite present because DAir doesn’t have a 4x Ice weakness. Poliwhirl is right next to its evolution in the NU banlist for pulling a lot of the same Sleep + Amnesia shenanigans. Exeggcute doesn’t run the RBY NU metagame but it does have a pretty solid niche in the tier. Staryu performs well as a fast special attacker with status spreading and good coverage in RBY PU, just like its OU evolution. Drowzee, Dragonair, Omanyte, Abra, Graveler, and Gastly also compose the tier, and although they aren’t top-ranked threats, they perform adequately and help to check a lot of the centralizing figures. The very fresh ZU tier is still being explored with new drops like Arcanine, but it also has a variety of NFEs like Poliwag, Slowpoke, Weepinbell, Diglett, Machoke, Pikachu, and Tentacool. A lot of these NFE Pokemon outperform a lot of FE Pokemon that perform way better in more modern or simply non-RBY generations, like Weezing, Muk, Marowak, Hitmonlee, Beedrill, and Butterfree.
I think it's hilarious that psychic types were so broken in gen1 that literally every psychic type has a niche in a tier lol
Great vid Joey! Nice to see you doing different things.
Misdreavus is so underrated, it’s such a good doubles trick room setter imo.
Plus it got draining kiss this gen so a subcm or taunt cm set could be pretty nasty in singles
also perish song
Haunter also has Levitate and Gengar lost it, I cool thing that differenciate it from its evo
Great video! Loved the school scene especially
Favorite NFE Mon to use right now is Little Garganacci (NacciStack), I love that it has so many uses in RU right now
Top notch as always fam
Great video!
commenting for the algorithm simply because i love joey. keep it up man!
One of my fav random ones that i actually like to use before was eviolite Charjabug in lower tiers! I used it with webs, toxic, volt switch, and rest. Surprisingly, bug/electric is a pretty cool type combo defensively..
Eviolite Galatian corsola was one of my favorite mons even in OU. Mon with strength sap/will o wisp could tank ANY physical attacker and have decent special defense bulk. Just needed a knock off swap in.
Okay analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
Awesome video thought you forgot about dusclops but he made a late appearance lol
I remember the time when Cancea was used in Gen 3 OU, alongside Cacturne, for their Sand Veil shenanigans.
Gloom does basically what Vileplume does with even more bulk to rival mega venasaur. Combined with base 85 sp atk and strength sap, it can be a massive pain to deal with. The Tapus hate switching into sludge bomb risking getting ko’d via crit and non-sword dance variants of kartana get stalled out. Also it has sleep powder too as well as tricks such as dazzling gleam. Gen 7 it also gets hidden power fire for ferrothorn and ground for heatran
Bisharp always was one of my favourite pokemon and when it got an evolution, I just saw that as an excuse to use eviolite on an already terrifying swords dance sweeper
I'm surprised there was no mention of Murkrow! I used to use a specific set to shut down Talonflame in Gen 6 vgc
Always good to see old Xenon footage. Respect the classics!
Well since I'm the one video editing Joey's discussion it makes it easier when I see a Pokemon mentioned and using my own battles to showcase it. Thank you for watching and positive words.
surprised no dusclops mentioned as it used to be one of the main trick room setters in doubles
you didnt watch the video did you
the biggest advantage haunter has over gengar is levitate, i use it exclusively for that reason.
😢
Still pissed they took it away
Also funny enough Quaxwell out of all things is quite good with Eviolite! Great hazard removal mon and decent priority sweeper in nu
This reminds me of the time my eviolote rhydon took less than 50% from a zygarde land’s wrath
Shoutout to dusclops for being a tier higher than dusknoir because of eviolite
In NU and PU tiers throughout Gens 6 through 8, I was using a lot of Gurdurr as an anti-status switch in. Eviolite Guts with Bulk Up and Drain Punch works pretty well in low tiers with less Fairy types.
I love using NFEs in draft leagues due to their cheap cost, I’ve had Haunter, Golbat, and Hippopotas put in mad work
Emvees video about poison point seadra inspired me to bring it to PU and become a menace
Can’t wait to run Evolite Ursaring and Qwilfish.
Lickitung is a nice little low ladder chansey. - Dwebble can be a little monster with shell smash and flail. - Sinstea with shell smash weak armor and stored power was pu meta for a bit. - berry juice Aron is a nice suicide lead. - Hippotas as a bulky sand setter with slack off was nice. - Fraxure with dd and high base attack was a goodish pu wallbreaker. - Murkrow had quite a few uses with prankster defog and haze. - Mudbray good attack,bulk,rocks,ability countered multi hitters to some extent. - and hattrem was used a bit for the magic bounce. off the top of my head.
Dragon dance Fraxlure was my favourite in PU.
My favorite example of this is in gen 6 Ubers, Pikachu was usable as a geomancy xerneas check, as well as a kyogre revenge killer.
Modest xerneas is outsped by +speed nature pikachu, and the combination of fake out, knock off and volt tackle could KO xerneas guaranteed. Fake out to flinch, knock off their power herb and then volt tackle for the KO. It was a roll with volt tackle, but guaranteed after rocks.
Kyogre speed ties with plus speed nature pikachu, and volt tackle was always a guaranteed ko so if you win the speed tie, or if they're just not max speed, you'd get some hype clips.
One of my favorites is Charjabug, because it feels SO much different than it's evolution Vikavolt. In doubles, you can play both of them and they have really good sinergy!
The greatest day in Pokémon history has yet to come. I might be able to make it to the 100th year anniversary when we finally get the diglett reveal
Surskit is low key underrated. I've been using it in doubles mainly. Power split when your mon has base 10 attack is incredibly funny. Its weirdly bulky with eviolite so it doesnt even need a focus sash. I think it could be good in singles too with swift swim and sticky webs.
P2 was so fun even in later generations. Helped revenge the magnezone trapping my ferro or face the ever present landorus. Might not be the best pokemon but trace is fun
The evolutions we got in gen 9 are just a really great boon for Eviolite use on all of the previous forms with the exception of Farigiraf. Dunsparce now has way more bulk than Dudunsparce, though it's lackluster speed does require some team support, it has just as much potential to successfully paraflinch a variety of opponent's as its evolution. Primeape has been doing a great job of upholding the Legacy of terror that it's evolution was able to achieve OU in lower tiers and I've even seen Stantler see a bit more use in doubles for its unique ability to Skill Swap Intimidate. Really curious how good Wyrdear will be in comparison
Come on where is clamperl in that list, it’s very nice with deep see tooth! Nice vid👍🏻
One of the underrated unevolved Pokémon is shelmet, (even after eviolite got knocked off it could still take hits well. It could also use recover)
Accelgor is completely different where it’s all about speed and high special attack
GSC has some fun examples of NFE Pokemon situating themselves in lower tiers and outcompeting fully evolved Pokemon. Scyther is one of the three tyrants of the GSC UU tier alongside Granbull and NidoQUEEN. Haunter is top tier in GSC UU and very disruptive in the Spikes meta, Chansey and Kadabra are both solid, and even Pikachu finds a niche as a powerful special breaker.
GSC NU has Pineco as a top tier Spikes setter and physical check, Gloom as a great status spreader, and Chinchou and Magnemite as good special checks. Graveler, Dragonair, Porygon, Pupitar, Houndour, and Exeggcute can all find niches as offensive-defensive Pokemon with great coverage, just like their evolutions.
Poliwhirl and Seadra dominate the GSC PU meta, buoying up other NFEs like Voltorb, Flaaffy, and Elekid. Gastly, Abra, Drowzee, Cubone, Machoke, Omanyte, and Rhyhorn are all great picks that play similarly to their evolutions in higher tiers, with the breathing room of a lower powered metagame. Golbat is a neat disruptor with a good defensive typing, Charmeleon has rare powerful Fire STAB, Eevee has Growth + Baton Pass, Geodude can rapid spin and explode with a a useful offensive-defensive typing, Slowpoke and Staryu find small niches as Water types with useful balanced profiles, and Ponyta has a fast Fire STAB and Hypnosis.
Then you’ve got GSC ZU, completely ruled by Croconaw. Some NFEs, like Poliwag, Quilava, and Wartortle were simply too good, leaving Croconaw as the top-Water. Magby and Smoochum are dangerous special breakers that can stand up to and punch through Croconaw and FEs like Togetic, Butterfree, and Parasect. The tier is actually mostly NFE, with tons of unique GSC-flavor from Nidorino, Nidorina, Mareep, and Natu imitating the niches of some of their older brethren.
Yanma is probably the saddest fully evolved Pokemon of the generation besides obvious candidates like Shadow Tagless Wobbuffet and Unown. Good thing Speed Boost + Tinted Lens and Yanmega brought it back to life in Gens 3 + 4.
yanma has to be one of the most broken lc mons ever created.
Have you done a full video on ass moves or items being useful? I saw the short about using mail as an item
Not yet but its on my list
finally a short vid
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Wow, I was so shocked to recognize the nickname of Fangodile, then I checked the team on the left and realized that's me fighting Xenon at 4:03 😂
I've always loved NFE pokémon. You can see I was also using an eviolite vullaby.
Where’s my boi murkrow :(
I mainly cover singles tho had a shout out to magmar at the end
What, no mention of clefairy? The doubles support master! Friend guard, eviolite, follow me. Absolute beauty!
Someone didn't watch the video
@@nolongeraperson i obviously fucking did, just that a half second mention obviously doesnt actually do clefairy justice. It’s so much better than clefable in doubles that it deserves an ACTUAL mention, not a passing name drop.
In recent VGC: Dusclops, Porygon 2, Clefairy, Murkrow.
I remember in one of False Swipe Gaming videos mentioned how Clefairy was used in VGC because it knew Follow Me.
My favorite NFEs competitively are Scyther and Zweilous
One of my favorites is dunsparce over dudunsparce. I have found that its bulk is way higher than dudunsparce so it makes it a lot easier to use glare and give status to their whole team. I also like how it can set up a lot easier on special and physical threats.
Coil dunsparce is busted in randbats
My guesses on the premiers before I watch are: Murkrow, Pikachu, Chansey, Wynaut (considering its stunt in ubers), and that’s all I can think of
Gloom is super underrated with eviloite. Strength sap, toxic, sludge bomb and leech seed. The thing has absurd bulk and counters pretty much all physical mons due to strength sap. I’ve made so many people rage quit on showdown with that thing
naclstack with eviolite, bodypress, and salt cure is lowkey nutty
Couple others I remember well in smogon
Im pretty well known for using murkrow in Gen 8 AG and it was such a huge huge help
Murkrow is one of the absolute best NFE pokemon there is with priority on haze tailwind taunt toxic thunder wave
Yea it’s really good
Another example is flechlinfer being a solid replica of talonflame in the lower tiers
Another example is snover in gen 4 UU as snover was used to activate hail teams which absolutely dominated the tier with Stallrein and Glaceon
Last example is Dragonair in Gen 1 UU as it has a niche of being able to survive a tentacruel blizzard while dragonite cannot meaning it can threaten Tentacruel with a Thunder wave unlike it’s evolution
Lol are we just going to glance over the sturdy Graveler having focus sash lol 1:25
Gen 4 Sturdy only helps Pokemon survive from OHKO moves (Sheer Cold, Fissure, etc)
From gen 5 onward, it becomes preventing Pokemon from being OHKO on full health
@@blueskyalchemist623 Yeah.
porygon 2 w eviolite was a great mixed wall in gen 6
I'm surprised you mentioned Magmar, but didn't raise Electabuzz - who has the same Special Attack as Electavire, but is significantly faster, so he's generally preferred due to the lack of a powerful, spammable physical electric attack.
There was actually this one Gen 5 Ubers room tournament where I had Anorith get 6 kills in the tour including the tournament winning kill. That being said, Kabutops is absolutely better in its role and the Anorith was a fun gimmick.
How are those two related? Don't you mean Kabuto or Armaldo?
No they def meant kanutops. Since it was good in gen 5 ubers lol. I’m assuming the role had to do with spinning
@@pokeaimMD The role was more of a cleaner, but yes I was running Spin on it.
Back in the day I used to like the golbat set up
Eviolite
Moves
- heat wave
-toxic
-roost
-(I can't remember the fourth move)
Super fang?
@@brettpeyton3586 should be fly(convenient hm move)or wing attack/air cutter
Girafarig plotting something devious now
Machoke was busted in AG for a couple of weeks, being tanky af with eviolite
i went into the spanish room on showdown to practice spanish while enjoying myself and someone said "eviolite bisharp" and that one took a sec to process for me until i realized kingambit existed again
Venipede being better as a hazard setter than
Whirlipede in gen 6 PU/ZU because of its speed stat was pretty funny
Poliwhirl in GSC UU was sometimes better than Poliwrath and Politoed because the speed benchmark was important for certain threats
bisharp gonna be crazy
The only mon I thought of that wasn’t included was Torracat. Did see some usage in VGC due to being faster + bulkier than Incineroar. Although it is weaker
Shell smash wartortle should be talked about too
Eviolite Rhydon is usually on my team when available
huh i never knew this but apparently scyther and scizor have the same bst
One NFE pokemon I've used a lot was Mr. Mime-Galar, it had good speed, Rapid Spin and Freeze-Dry. Screen Cleaner was kinda niche but when facing the right opponents it absolutely busted their strategies.
The niche primeape can be added to this list too
Whirlipede
A bulky double spike setter that has 2 great abilities in poison point and speed boost
i am guessing p2, chansey, dusclops and maybe bisharp if u see that as use as nfe in gen 8 cause of evo now
No mention of Murkrow? Prankster + Tailwind is a good combination.
In RBY UU Dragonair used to have a solid niche, due to the fact that unlike Dragonite it was only 2x weak to ice moves, while Dragonite was still 4x weak to ice.
They both ran wrap+agility before that was banned, although I'm not sure if Dragonair is still viable in RBY UU since I haven't played the tier in a while.
Got top 20 in Convergence with this team, its cool :) hopefully u see this:
Roaring Moon @ Choice Band
Ability: Hustle
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Outrage
- Crunch
- Earthquake
- U-turn
Lilligant @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Contrary
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Leaf Storm
- Tera Blast
- Dazzling Gleam
- U-turn
Scream Tail @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Bounce
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 30 Spe
- Moonblast
- Nuzzle
- Wish
- Teleport
Garganacl @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Impish Nature
IVs: 0 SpA
- Rapid Spin
- Salt Cure
- Knock Off
- Will-O-Wisp
Tauros-Paldea-Combat @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- No Retreat
- Bulk Up
- Drain Punch
- Rage Fist
Scizor @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Punch
- Pin Missile
- Rock Blast
I love dusclops, it’s my favorite Pokémon and it’s the number 1 NFE demon
I love Rhydon. NFE pokemon are amazing as I tend to not like final evo designs as much in general. This is why Misdreavus is the best mon. Edit: Oh yay it got a mention :D
I started playing pokemon in gen 5. At some point after I'd beat the game I went looking around for new pokemon. I walked into the grass and there it was: Vigoroth. Immediatelt, I fell in love. This was my new favourite pokemon, I was gonna use it on every team forever... and then it levelled up... I was devastated by whay it turned into, so much so that I reset my ds and gave it an everstone. Glad to see I made the right choice
Damn this feels like it could be a FSG video
My favorite one's are for sure togetic and watortle being both great walls in lower tiers specially togetic with base 105 special defense and 85 defense plus eviolite.
Ok, so before i watch further, my guesses are chansey, vigoroth and porygon mainly but also every eviolite Pokemon, thats not focusing on direct attacks
Eviolite Luvdisc.
*Oh wait. Nvm. Thanks Gamefreak* 🗿
Eviolite lickitung is an actual menace in gen7 pu. I ran a hella dank set and it walls so much
God I loved my shadow ball psychic recover conversion 2( I think) porygon2
Raboot was a little terror in gen 8 pu I believe