Let's Talk About Love, Victor... *lots to unpack here*
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Hey Rummates! Today we're talking about season 2 of Love, Victor. We have a LOT to get into so let's talk about it!
0:00 Intro
1:08 Background of Love Victor
2:30 Character Analysis
5:52 The Lack of Representation
7:31 The Good
6:44 The Cringe
10:00 Interracial Dating
12:02 Mia :(
13:04 Rahim :)
14:00 Finale & Final Thoughts
15:29 Outro
#imuRgency #lovevictor #commentary
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I really liked how despite Rahim having totally valid anxieties about his coming out to his parents, that they strayed from the typical “ragingly homophobic” Muslim parent trope and that they just reacted like loving parents
Yes I was surprised but relieved by their reaction and glad they subverted expectations:)). I’m also so happy they didn’t let their religion and beliefs cloud their love for their son ❤️
YES! i was afraid they’d do that and was relieved when it didn’t happen
we deserved a scene of him coming out tho! kind of didn't like how Rahim only existed when Victor was around. He's far more interesting than Benji.
@@Ray03595 Rahim is more interesting than Benji because the writers haven't delved into his back story very much. We find out Benji is a recovering alcoholic but that was apparently mentioned only to be used later as a loss of trust issue between Victor and Benji. I agree they rushed through Rahim's back story about coming out to his parents. Also, he just showed up one day as Pilar's "gay best friend" without any explanation how they met. You say Rahim only seems to exist when Victor is around and that's kind of true also for Benji even though he's supposed to be one of the main characters.
@@Lupin788 good point about benji. he also didn't really have a life outside of victor that we were shown. for the amount of screen time he got this season it's pretty surprising.
The fact that "ok boomer" made it into the script is proof enough that the writers are nowhere near gen z.
Lmao ikr I cringed so hard with that line. But pilar's line after about felix having a werthers original in his pocket was funny.
so maybe the lesson is just make ur own original jokes instead of recycling phrases that were short trends (that were mostly for the millennials)?
@@sabahk That Werther Original is in no way, shape, or form an original joke, that's like a meme from the late 90s.
@@fabianhebestreit3240 oh wow I had no idea LOL I wasn't born yet
😂😂 yeah it wasn’t their best moment
Also can we talk about how great Victor's dad was! He was completely changed as a person not just his view on the lgbt community. His was more open with his feelings in general and so much more gentle
i know!!! i was so proud of him and victor was so patient and graceful
felix was the mvp of this season no doubt
no lie here
Felix is the mvp always
High bar to set too. Considering that the rest of the characters are no pushovers either.
His was the most coherent storyline.
Of the show*
"it was Felix's season" Hell yes it was. He's my fav character and victor was lowkey not there for him at all this season. Wondering what you thought about his love triangle? Personally, I think pilar and felix had great chemistry in season 1 so I was happy to see them become a thing this season even tho it was definitely rushed. But also, I felt bad for lake cause she really didn't do anything wrong this time around. I think their breakup was inevitable though. I'm hoping to get more Pilar development next season cuz they always talk about how she's sad and moody or whatever but never really delve into that
Also Mia's dad made me LIVID
And yeah Victor getting on a chair to announce his sexuality was so awkward to watch like imagine being so self centred that you think everyone cares about your sexuality/who ur dating xD. If this happened in a real high school most people would just keep walking to class.
i think lake was a good match for the time being but pilar knows felix to a different level
I think Lake's developing something with Lucy. I LOVE THAT.
that’s literally what i was thinking... why do they care so much about coming out to the SCHOOL? like since when do people do that?
but now we might get wlw lake and im TOTALLY here for that development!!!!!
@@bizziegrace yesss!!
I cringed when Benji was yelling at Victor’s mom because that shit would not fly in my household. Like sir who do you think you are?😂😂
same i was sceaming at my screen like the caucasity you lot were doing it in the house
Right?? Like wtf 😭😂
i had to literally pause and give myself a minute
Mia is the first character that I’ve ever related to in tv or film. Despite me relating to her because we’re the same race, I’ve always felt overlooked by the ones who are supposed to love me. Mia’s arc isn’t always revolved around romantic love interests or the butterflies about falling in love, but a multitude of different kinds of relationships and their shortcomings; and to me that’s a first. Sometimes, I want to see a story where it isn’t always about getting the one you want because some of us out here be missing when we shoot our shot lol or is a failure on the romantic love front.
yeah i really love that they're giving mia agency and screentime and development i just want more of all of that next season-also less of lake in her space
im glad im not the only one who got second hand embarrassment from the chair scene
I skipped that scene LOL I didn't even need to watch the scene, I already knew what was coming and I saved myself from the suffering
@@caramel_rxse3951 no same i just skipped to the next episode when i saw what was coming
Yeah I just muted the TV and looked at my phone until it was over then unmuted it
Yea same, I took my tv outside and waited for the scene to be over
Fr I thought they were just going to hold hands to get the point across but then he pulled a chair out of nowhere and I was like oh no-
Please Love, Víctor writers GIVE MIA A BREAK
Season 3 please,the whole episode 1 and 2 I was like Mia's gonna get depression
But the way season 2 ended for Mia i think there will be drama
@@bulinandi4414 Benji is probably gonna start drinking again and people are gonna “feel” for him. PLZZZ😂😂
Didn’t like Mia at first but please she deserves to be happy
IKR?? They are definitely out to get her!
they are really praying on her downfall it is not okay LMAOO
I'm pretty sure that andrew's ex girlfriend flirted with lake at the end also ? So maybe that'll be a new love interest, i'd love to see wlw representation !
yes! very random but i’m here for it
yess i hope they do something beyond that scene
The actress who plays Lucy is gay/bi(not sure) in real life and is in youtube lesbian/bi circle so I was legit waiting on this potential storyline with her
@@liliakamoun8915 oh that’s so cool!
Honestly I think its really unnecessary at this point, they could of planted that seed in the first season now it just feels forced. But go off.
While I didn’t like the chair scene (it was really awkward to watch), I think it kind of makes sense why Victor did it because Creek Secrets was spreading lots of bad things about Mia to the point that it was affecting her in real life, not just online. Since gossip is such a big part of the school, it makes sense that Victor felt like he needed to make a big announcement (but he should’ve just pulled a Simon and posted something on Creek Secrets instead).
When it comes to the Isabel I actually liked the process of her accepting Victor as being gay. She really struggled trying to understand because of her upbringing, culture, and her religion. She acknowledges it’s going to take time to unlearn what has been taught to her for decades. I think because of Ana Ortiz acting it felt more real.
In a lot of shows it’s usually the mom who is automatically okay with their kids coming out and the dad who rejects or has to come around.
Also, Congrats to 50k! 🎉🎉
I feel a little proud I was around since your college content haha
This is so true
I loved it. I'm an atheist, but hearing her say "I'm not giving up on GOD. I'm giving up on YOU." To that pastor was the most satisfying part of the show.
Me too. Seeing Isabel struggle to accept victor made me think of myself not too long ago. I don't have any close lgbt friends/family, but I did struggle to accept lgbt people for some time, because of the same reasons as Isabel. I think that's why I had a problem with her. She reminded me if my past self. Seeing her grow felt kinda close to home, idk.
the show needs more inclusivity not only in race but in lgbt folks. because for a show centred on the struggles of the lgbt community, it’s sad to see there are only gay men. but they seem to have hinted at lucy and lake so i’m curious on that
yeppp i agree. if lucy and lake are bisexual (since they both dated men before) that will be amazing, because shows and movies always leave out bisexual people. also, the show did great in terms of race representation, but i just wish there’d be an east or southeast asian character. that’d make me so happy, as an asian bisexual myself lol. but they’ve done great so far
Also I’m pretty sure the actor that plays Lucy is part of the lgbtq+
@MISOJIMO I think Lucy might be a lesbian, since she didn't really care for her relationship with Andrew at all and she was kinda confused about it for a little. Lake would definitely be queer/bi/pan tho if something does happen between them and I'd love to see it so yeah that's my opinion on it :D
1. “Lucy and Lake” is such a cute couple name, and 2. I’ve been thinking since season 1 that Andrew should’ve been bi.
@@misojimo2154 just cause you’ve dated a gender in the past doesn’t mean you’re bi. It’s possible but it’s still open to Lucy just being a lesbian.
Dont forget the fourth love triangle in the finally between Mia, her dad, and Stanford
BYE
I SO AGREE ABOUT THE INTERACIAL DATING THING! Benji really didn’t seem to get it at all. (I’m also 100% team Rahim/Victor.)
Also, Mia really did deserve way better. Hopefully her mom will be good to her.
Finally someone gets it!!
Her mom abandoned her
EXACTLY
Not the Benji hate. I’m tired of ripping y’all into shreds about this.
I’m with you on this I think rahim and Victor are netted together
I liked it but it really irked my soul how the family and allies got a whole support group and the lgbtia teens only had each other. And the concept of a support group for straight people is so weird to me. Also the setting is Atlanta so where are the black people? I don’t feel like Andrew and Mia was enough. You can also apply the interracial relationships with a default white person to their friendships too cause all the poc had a white best friend if not a white partner too. I thought it was really weird how lake tried to say she understood Mias pain after her mom left cause she saw Mia go through it :/
Yeah, most PFLAG chapters I know with support groups also haves ones for queer teens in addition to parents, so it’s definitely weird. Granted most of this shows plot wouldn’t happen if the teens went to therapy instead of acting out and I think the writers avoided any sort of support/counseling for that reason (though it would definitely be fantastic to see).
as an asian i myself hoped to see at least one asian character somewhere. but generally i was pretty pleased with this show’s race diversity-it’s a lot better than most shows lol
thankyou!that mess spun me my mouth was open open when she said that whew the way lake was talking to mia this season y3ni in that episode where she showed back up at her house and andrew left them alone with pizza i was begging andrew to just look at lake through the door and no open it and tell mia nobody was there i am so tired of this little girl
and honestly i feltlike lovesimon was a little too pasty too-but hollywood stay whitewashing the south so-and you know it's whiteass atlanta when they going to vacation on lakelanier like this
I mean, Lucy was Benji's friend, so I assumed she was bi from the start. Benji's whole group seemed to be LGBT tbh.
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I agree with a lot of what you're saying. Mia definitely deserves better, I feel like Andrew needs to be given a storyline beyond being a supportive boyfriend or friend, 100% agree on the whole thing abou Benji not understanding Victor's struggles as a gay poc and Rahim's bringing so much light to the show and to Victor himself. It was a really good season, I hope season 3 is even better.
Rahim slayed this season. I like who he is & what he represents Iranian, Muslim & queer... & supportive parents.
He's a really good actor. And hot. I think they should be the couple for sure.... more interesting, more free, more to explore...
Fun fact: it was between him and Michael Cimino to play Victor. And the producer's cast Michael --- Anthony Keyvan is a much better actor. No question. But, he isn't Latin x .....I think the producer's were smart to cast him in season 2 --- and now can develop him and his background and his character as a lead.....😍.... Iranian, Muslim, queer, etc.... 2 men of color being together.....I'm in.....
i agree with a lot of the points you brought up, especially about the show becoming more diverse. imo, though, they brought up a lot of ideas in this season like the difference between being white vs a poc in the lgbt community, and how rahim's parents were super religious, and just glossed what those common experiences are like. i feel like the show is great at bringing up topics, but not really dismantling them. overall great review tho!
Just wanted to talk about Andrew's ex girlfriend Lucy. When I saw her i was getting some vibes lol and that scene at the end with Lake confirmed, and I started thinking about a potential new couple.
Obs: the diretor CONFIRMED that Lake is bisexual and Lucy's introduction to the show was to this future character development about her figuring out her sexuality.
Can you link me to the confirmation from the director?
@@Infinite-if7uq can you google it? 👀
@@erikperhs_ was that supposed to be shady??
@@bulinandi4414 Maybe. I just hate when people demand that we prove ourselves to them, it's not our job. The comment sounds like a challenge. If they really wanted to know, they would just look it up
@@erikperhs_ i can’t find it online can you give me a link if you want to i just want to read it and be excited all over again
Okay so I guess we're not talking about lake and Lucy then... It's fine I'm not sad🙂
@@circestyping what homophobic things did she say
@@circestyping she didn't say anything homophobic and it wasn't random because they were hinting at it since season 1
@@erikperhs_ Can you give examples of when they hinted at Lake's bisexuality in season 1?
@@circestyping homophobic where?😭 stop being sensitive.
@@Zac-oz9lj yall call anybody sensitive for just sharing their thoughts on something
on the topic of lgbt characters being played by only lgbt actors is not really a black and white subject. while i do think lgbt actors should definitely get the opportunity to tell our stories over straight actors, a lot of actors only come out after playing lgbt roles. like the keiynan lonsdale who played bram in love simon only came out after the movie, and that was his second lgbt role. the guy who played jackson in teen wolf also only came out after his character came out on the show as well.
Actually Colton Haynes, the guy who played Jackson, publicly came out after some asshole outed him and he needed to seek treatment from the anxiety he was under. Then we saw Jackson come out a couple months later. I agree with your point tho, not every actor is gonna be comfortable disclosing their sexuality.
@@chloemotsebo2075 oh i only knew after the teen wolf finale, thank you. and that’s so horrible, i’m glad he feels much more comfortable with himself now
Joshua Rush who played Cyrus from Andi Mack disney's first major gay character too, you have a good point there. We don't want to priveledge out people over closeted people. But then there could be a system where just the casting directors know?!? It is a complex issue because that is good in theory but logistically idk if it would work on a large scale (talking about my idea not your wonderful point)
lawd im so glad im not the only one on team rahim and victor
same!!!
same omg
!!!!!
same! victor deserves better than benji
ikr same
I actually began to not like Benji throughout this season I RLLY HOPE Victor doesn’t go back to him,, am def team Rahim. I understood some of Benji’s concerns but he began to do too damn much. Like him assuring Victor that he understands that he’s new to coming out and still learning, but then in argument using it against him as if there’s some weird resentment going on??? Was not it.
Also wouldn’t be here for ANOTHER poc falling for the colonizer... no beef w interracial but like 1000% beef w that white x poc trope
it was when he started to make victor feel like a burden after telling him the whole season he wasn’t for me
the best thing benji ever said was that their relationship was too messy for teenagers and i agree - they just arent good for each other anymore
benji turned into derrick. last season i felt bad that he was in that relationship but now i see they are perfect for each other
team rahim yessss
valid thoughts. but maybe step back and think about the things that benji is going through and realize he's only human. people make mistakes. they're not perfect. also i'm sorry but benji and victor are totally endgame. he's been there since day one. i find it incredibly unrealistic that they wouldn't end up together again and just work through their problems and become stronger.
You brought up some really good points. However honestly this whole season seemed really rushed to me, particularly Rahim and Victor. Love Rahim, I think he is an amazing character. and can not wait to see how his character develops. But this is the issue that I have. You go on a break with your boyfriend, who you supposedly love. Then go on a "date" with Rahim, who you just met, literally. You have a lot of things in common, wonderful. And now because of miscommunication with your bf, you fall for another dude, who you just met, make it make sense. Dont get me wrong there were some great parts like, the mom to come full circle was amazing. However, I am so tired of media and how they portray gay couples. Like I get it, we want the drama, but that doesnt mean you have to bring a complete stranger into the situaiton to shake things up, especially when you just got into a relationship. These shows depicts us gays as not being monogamous, and we cant have a healthy relationship, and we are always in some kind of triangle, and Im over it. Theyve known each other for like what 2 weeks, if that. BTW what is the tiimeline, the last 2-3 episodes, I wish I knew the timeline. Cause it seems like all this happened in 2 days? I get that Victor is all knew to this and his hormones are all over the place, but I like Victor and Benji, I fell in love with them 1st season. I do believe that Benji and Victor need to communicate and have a long conversation. Rahim needs to be Victor friend going into the 3rd season. Oh yea and the thing hinting at Lake being possibly "bi" makes no sense either, it came out of know where. There was no clue that shes into women, its almost like the writers didnt know what to do with Lake, oh but let's throw this scene in there with Lake chatting it up with another girl. I also think that the writers dont know what to do with Mia character as well, He character seems like a missed opportunity to me, like the writers c'mon. It seems like shes almost an after thought.
i agree with you 100%!
Great analysis. In terms of lgbtqa themed content especially around high school age, love victor is the best to have done it so far. Now I m “old” enough to remember that a show like this wouldn’t have been possible 10 years ago when I was a HS freshman. I feel privileged to be in the age of Love victor, pose, generation etc. and I think we as a society can do a better job at accepting these shows for what they and while also acknowledging their short-comings. I feel like you personally do that well, sir.
S2 was better for sure, they did a good job with character development. Usually the dialogue is good but once they say their one-liners I start to cringe. I think Rahim & Victor should be together!
the whole getting caught having sex, benji gave attitude to isabel in her own home and then outed their relationship to Adrian, like straight or gay, My parents are black and they would have cursed us out or whooped my ass for bringing someone to have sex in their house, downright disrespectful and benji needed to apologize for that
Hell yes!!
100% agree
My parents are asian and SAME. Honestly my parents would hate Benji. They’d love somebody like Rahim though... 👀
@@misojimo2154 thank you, someone who gets it
Still to this day, there are many young queer actors who aren’t out yet so I wouldn’t imagine during the auditions the producers were overwhelmed with out gay actors who could act, sing, play guitar and basketball. I also wouldn’t be surprised if some of the currently “straight” actors in Love, Victor aren’t identifying as queer by the end of the decade (a la Ronen Rubinstein who came out as Bi once his career was more established)
Yes, this is exactly one of the many talking points in this complicated discussion. An actor has to be OUT in order to be known as a "queer actor" and not many actually are...yet. Hollywood is just now starting to realize that it's not actually "okay" to have cis actors playing trans roles. Progress is being made, it's just been moving slow.
Sadly, Hollywood is still very homophobic. Talent agents often still advise clients to not be openly gay (especially if they're just starting out). You mentioned Ronen Rubinstein from 911 Lone Star. His co-star Rafael Silva also only became more open about his sexual orientation once the show became an established hit with "Tarlos" (Rubinstein and Silva's character couple) leading the way. It does help that 911 Lone Star is a show produced by Ryan Murphy who has gone out of his way to not only make shows with lots of queer characters but also cast lots of queer actors. Going back to Love Simon, the 2018 film that was the inspiration for Love Victor, the actor who played Bram came out to his fellow cast members right at the end of filming and on Instagram a few weeks later to fans.
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I loved Rahim with all my heart, like he just makes me feel so seem and understood as we come from a similar background. I feel like our experiences are really similar and I love seeing that kind of rep in media.
no literally mia couldn’t catch a break i felt so bad for her the entire season...
The best part about season 2, for me, was the conversations between Victor and Felix with regards to both their sexualities and sexual experiences. Rather than worry about each other's comfort and discomfort, they we're able to talk to each other freely and with no hate/judgment from both parties. It's the kind of conversations that I wish people generally had with each other, especially men.
Also Mia's dad not putting his daughter first and then at his wedding telling his new wife that he will put her first over his career 🤮🤮🤮
RIGHTT that dude is such a major hypocrite
The only thing that matters from the finale is the hint at bisexual Lake in season 3... nothing else matters to me now
I’m SO tired of the characters of color always falling for a white person😩. Like pls, can we stop making the white person the canon love interest all of the time.
that’s part of why i love felix and pilar so much. obviously felix is white but the fact that he chooses pilar over lake and that he sees her as a real person is nice
YES! Also, in gay stories the love interest is always the masculine muscular guy. I like Rahim because he's effeminate and fun
I think that trope was created as a response to the taboo against interracial relationships.
@@VicenteTorresAliasVits Definitely, but atp it’s overused. That trope is utilized so much now, that we barely have any couples of color in most of our recent tv shows. It’s always interracial but only with a white person.
Me dating a COLONIZIER: 🙃🙃
Since all the actors are young the director should just be like “hey if any of the lingo feels dated then feel free to switch it out with something you thing someone your age would say”
Honestly I'm 22 and I didn't notice anyway. Although maybe I'm just no hip enough, idk.
My problem is that Felix seemed ready to get back with Lake but then he found the snacks that Pilar left for his mother and then was like oop guess she's the one for me 🤷🏾♀️ but Lake would have been just as considerate if he let her be. He completely pushed her away and it was understandable but Lake just wanted what was best for him so I feel extremely bad for her. That being said I've been shipping Felix and Pilar since S1🙃
Mia is the Bonnie Bennett of the show
omg let’s not put that negative energy into this universe. I’m still traumatized by Julie Plecs treatment of Kat/Bonnie
Omg!!!! I literally said this smh
I have some thoughts about this season, so I’m just gonna list them out:
1. I really dislike how much romance consumes the more wholesome and supportive friendships of the show. One of the better parts of Season 1 was Felix and Viktor’s friendship, where I feel it (and all other friendships as a whole) are swept under the rug for the sake of love triangles.
Like, Andrew had more interactions with Felix than Viktor did (they never really went anywhere with him befriending Felix either). And, as a result, a lot of the more promising emotional moments felt completely unearned and empty without them bonding on screen. One of the most baffling decisions of the whole show was when Felix revealed his mother’s situation, and there’s no scene of him talking about it with Viktor or Viktor even really comforting him. It just cuts to the next episode, where Viktor is rousing him from bed while counting the minutes when he can talk to Benji!
I get it, they’re teenagers. Relationships can feel more life-changing and consuming than friendships. But so many fulfilling moments and quietly intimate (platonic) scenes were lost because it was so rushed.
2. This ties into problem 2, admittedly a personal one. I was kinda against Pilar and Felix because I liked him and Lake together, but moreover I really hate the big brother’s best friend falls for little sister trope. Idk, that trope is personal and, to me, (quite irrationally, I concede), I blamed the prioritization of Pilar and Felix over Viktor and Felix as where their relationship comes apart. I now concede Pilar and Felix are cute, and most of all, Lake and Lucy looks like a promising duo as well. But it took a while.
3. Benji was literally the worst and I hated him this season. He was such an arrogant douchebag who never communicated his issues, but then expected Viktor to be able to do so. Like when he got angry that Viktor danced with Rahim, even though he’s the one that broke up with Viktor over his own irrational impulses! Viktor x Rahim all the way-also, Rahim just has a lot more personality and is so much more communicative about his feelings.
4. Thank God they finally addressed the struggles of interracial dating. Also, just the existence of bi/pansexuality (well, they vaguely hint at bisexuality with Lake. Wouldn’t say that’s much progress, but it’s a step up).
5. Ngl, the kissing scenes always make me cringe from this show.
6. Ik this is dumb and kinda unnecessary, but I kept noticing how dry everyone’s skin looked. As rude as it is, I was just constantly thinking about how badly in need most of the cast was for moisturizer, or a good cleanser or toner or something! It was distracting me, which is mostly my fault for fixating on stupid stuff anyways.
Okay but i agree with you 100% !! Pilar and Felix felt weird because at the time he didn’t even interact with Victor at all
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Honestly, it felt so weird. I know Pilar gets him and understands his problems, but that doesn’t make Viktor’s role in his life obsolete. I know Viktor just came out and had bf issues, but that also doesn’t mean he can’t be there for Felix. And I honestly don’t think it’s a result of Viktor’s self-centeredness or his flaws, but a result of timing and the pace of the episodes.
They didn’t have time for the Felix Viktor friendship, so they prioritized the romances over what I consider one of the most important relationships in the show. And that’s not how you write a series, because it feels rushed and way too fast. I guess they think romance is more important or your partner is your best friend, which is true - to an extent - but they fail to understand how friendships play a larger role in a teenager’s life since this happens to all the characters who enter a romantic relationship. They just seemingly forget their old friends.
@@apocalypseready6256 the latter is so true ! Like whenever a character enters a relationship they also enter the friend group their partner is in, like I always wonder do those characters don’t have any other friends ? Like that’s so weird
Faaaaaaaaaacts, Felix and Pilar was ruuuuuuuuuuuuushed, and I didn't get much of any chemistry. Also, I was just upset over how they threw in TWO love triangles and a part of me felt it is guaranteed Benji and Victor will end back together over Victor and Rahim, only because they wouldn't end 2 relationships in one season.
@@ProphetMisfit09 lol I’m pretty sure they’re gonna make rahim and victor be together just to have venji be endgame because they don’t give a shit about rahimxvictor. You know, to just make everyone hate them and to make the venji return satisfying or some shit
Honestly, the worst thing about Benji is that he was almost like a dark rain cloud over Victor. He brought nothing but toxic energy to Victor. When it came to his mother he never gave her any credit when she’s a grown woman trying to unlearn something she’s been told all of her life. He yelled at her after she she walked in on her teenage son having sex and was (understandably) angry. Benji brought pessimistic energy to that situation. Also the basketball situation when Victor was bummed about the guys not wanting him to change with them, Benji had an “I told you so” attitude. And the way Benji exploded on him at the restaurant, that was the moment I could not understand Victor being in a relationship with him.
i totally agree. honestly, benji was TOXIC in season 2. also, as a person of color myself (asian) i could see how benji didn’t understand at all how isabel was trying her best, and how her culture and religion made it difficult for her to accept things at first. benji didn’t even try to understand in my opinion. he was impatient, pessimistic and nit understanding towards victor and his parents’ situation at all. this is why i became “team rahim” after the last episode of season 2. honestly, rahim is so much more understanding and obviously, understands victor’s struggles a lot more. i’m interested in seeing victor and rahim have more interactions next season. maybe benji will start to change next season too, who knows. but god, i am sick of benji now lol.
@@misojimo2154 please don't throw the word "toxic" around. saying you didn't like his behavior is valid. but fandom throws that word around every single time someone is less than perfect. it's way overused. benji wasn't toxic. he just said some stupid things and wasn't as understanding as he should have been. but victor wasn't perfect either and i'm not gonna call him toxic.
I mean Benji has a right to feel the way he felt. How are you gonna tell a gay person how to respond to homophboia? I'm surprised he didnt curse out victors mom sooner i sure would have.
@@mykittystinksbad2 Agreed. While it probably wasn't the time or place for Benji to get assertive, you can't always control when you're going to blow. Isabel had been treating Benji like shit FOR MONTHS! Refusing to let him in the house, throwing out their food rather than allowing him to eat there. Showing visible disgust whenever he showed Victor the slightest affection. He had every right to lose his temper. It's unfortunate that it happened after he was caught in the throws of passion, however he was already hyped up at that point. Not only was he frustrated with Isabel, but he was sexually frustrated as well.
Ok but how can he yell at his grandparents abt benji being gay but can’t stand up to his mom abt his own life honestly she should’ve respected his relationship with benji and benji wasn’t toxic. Benji has some understandably upset moments and some were extra and as a person of color (black) victor honestly needed to stand up to his mom she was being downright disrespectful to benji and she doesn’t have to like him but she could atleast try. Victor and benji were I would say the honeymoon phase of their relationship and then school started and Everything happened I admit they have personal issues they have to work with but victor should also be held accountable for his actions this season too
also, mia has been through so much that you can notice in her facial expressions how the desensitised she is by everything -- like when's telling everybody that she's moving to Stanford with her dad you can literally see in her face that she's so used to this shit that doesn't "bother" her anymore. please give my girl a break
What made me so mad with Victor in the first season is the fact that he kept cheating on Mia. Youre allowed to figure ur stuff out (and I let the work trip kiss slide bc I kind of got it was an impulse thing and ur emotions were going through it) but kissing benji right outside the dance when u haven’t broken up with her, and then using the excuse that u want to give her one good night is absolute crap bc if u really wanted that u wouldn’t have done that to her. I also don’t like how they made her feel like she’s not allowed to be mad at him for literally cheating and that he doesn’t really apologize for it
Benji was absolutely terrible this season no one can deny that, HOWEVER, it was really shitty of Victor to tell Rahim, who is basically a stranger to Benji, that Benji struggles with alcoholism. I think Benji was right for not being able to trust Victor for that, that wasn’t Victor’s secret to tell.
I don’t know if it’s just me but I’m so TIRED of the love triangles.
It's technically not a love triangle
It's just real life, just because you like someone it doesn't mean you'll never fall in love with someone else
On the topic of straight actors playing LGBTQ+ characters, the actor who plays Victor seems very educated on issues and struggles of the community. Also even if he was queer, he might still have a completely different experience than victor has and still have to use his imagination. For example, i never had to/got to make a conscious decision to come out, i was outed by a friend. So for me it was super interesting to see someone on tv making that decision.
I see a LOT of ppl hating on Rahim bc they just ship Benji and Victor but if you strip away the "omg they're cute" or "they belong together" and actually analyze and break down Victors and Benji's relationship which is what I'm going to do, you can see why they might not work out.
Like Benji said Victor is new a being gay so they have to take everything so slow and Benji needs to "coach" Victor through it, so obviously that's gonna frustrate Benji, and that's fine, Benji is allowed to feel that way. But if Benji doesn't like to takes things slow and having to explain things to Victor that might mean Victor isn't the one for him.
Benji comes from a white family, so they're much more supportive than a family of color not to mention a religious family. So naturally for someone who has been out for a while and their parents are supportive would be frustrated and angry when their boyfriends family in this case mother isn't. Benji in his words "doesn't jump for joy at every little step" Ilsa takes, but what Benji can't understand is that every "little" step for him is a HUGE step for Victor and a even bigger one for his Mother. Benji can't understand that bc he is white and he doesn't understand the culture and the religions implications and this isn't to say that white ppl can't be religious, but poc take religion to another level, their religion almost always shapes their life. This is coming form a Mexican who's family is also Catholic so I know what's it's like. So white ppl really can't understand this
Rahim in the other hand does. While Benji and Victor might've had at least 1 year to bond, and while Rahim and Victor have had way less (and this is were ppl think it's lazy writing) they already have that connection bc of their situation, bc they both have religious parents and they both have skeptical parents, that's something the Victor and Benji most definitely don't have and even if they get back together and live out their days they probably will never have that bc of Benji culture. That also means Rahim is more understating of Victors mom bc he himself has those types of parents, so it'll be easier for him. Since Rahim is also new to being gay that means they can take things at the same pace and they can figure out what they don't know with less friction bc they're both in the same boat.
At the end Victor will choose who makes HIM happy not who makes us happy. If he goes and thinks things with him and Benji can work out great and if he thinks Rahim is a better fit great as well. But when looking at a relationship don't guide yourself on the reasons like "oh they're cute", "Benji was his 1st", "he lost his virginity to Benji", "they said I love you", "they've been together for a long time" or "Benji helped him come out"none of these or other reasons. Actually break down the relationship and look at it from there without bias
Well, actually at the end of the day, the storyboard writers will choose who they think is a greater fit.
Yup. I agree with every single word you wrote
For a show set in Atlanta, it is very odd how white/lightskin the show is. Not just the main cast, but even the extras.
i’ve been waiting!! 💕💕
on the topic of casting lgbtq+ ppl to play those roles I completely understand the sentiment and wanting work for lgbtq+ actors, however, in terms of casting, I don't believe you can legally ask someone their sexuality. race and ethnicity are clear cut, however, sexuality is more ambiguous and fluid so it's not necessarily something you can cast a certain actor off of
Am I the only one wondering if this friend group (Victor, Felix, Lake, Mia etc) is going to be in complete shambles in s3? I highkey feel like everyone is hopping from relationship to relationship and that gets kinda messy lol
when benji is giving victor advice on how to deal with his mom, i found myself looking at him like 🤨. and i don’t really blame him that much, because i feel like he just doesn’t understand those key cultural differences. like with my parents (me being an nigerian american muslim) and the way i was raised, talking to ur parents about this kind of thing takes a hot minute. it’s not just about confidence, although that’s part of it. it’s because you have to keep in mind what your parents think and believe so you can properly skew ur conversations to allow them to completely understand you, while also preparing yourself for the worst at every possible second.
i hope i explained that right 🙃
omg yessss i was waiting on this one- and congrats on 50k 🥳!
Yes! Thank you!
The actors who play victor and benji are both straight and say that they’re allies which is great but I still til this day don’t get why tv shows don’t cast people who actually have experienced what it’s like to be apart of the lgbtq community to play lgbtq roles.
Because of this little word called “acting”.
NO ONE! BOSSES! THE GARNET! Yes and representation matters.
It would feel good to see real gay men sharing their truth normalized.
Lgbtqia+ need role models and heroes too...
@@noonebossesthegarnet2890 I get that but also why can’t lgbtq actors fill these roles, they’re are some great lgbtq actors out there.
@@riderghost2623 Because the business world values skill over sexuality. I agree with you, it would be great to see more LGBT actors fill in amazing roles, but good films come with good acting, and people want those who can fill the role the best regardless of sexuality.
@@noonebossesthegarnet2890 I see what ur saying.
I was SO mad with Isa this season but I quickly realized that the real villain is Mia’s dad
Isa’s développement was so interesting tho, like it was quite realistic
@@ines2fenoyl756 it really was but it was still frustrating for me to watch victor get hurt by her :(
i wasn’t mad at her personally as a poc because i totally understand why she was like that-and it was amazing seeing her growth. she made so much progress
@@misojimo2154 i totally agree. i’m also bipoc and coming out to my parents was so nerve wracking.
@@misojimo2154 Yeah it's honestly really realistic and I feel my mom would react similarly
Ok I love Rahim but I think benji was with victor through so much and had to deal with a lot, (victors mom mostly). And personally I don’t think it would be fair if Rahim got the accepting loving parents that victors parents became because of benji and victors relationship. I do think that benji will never understand certain things Bc he’s a economically stable white guy. But I feel like victor and his relationship was raw and filled with love until other people got in the way. I think that’s Rahim and victors relationship was a friendship at first but then Victor felt it was a breath of fresh air and it was easy and those feelings were seen as infatuation. But idk, when ever I watched Rahim and victor I felt like I was watching best friends but with benji I saw a real young relationship that had ups and downs but could be worked though.
I don't know, I feel uncomfortable with the idea of only casting gay and bi actors for roles like this because it ends up putting a lot of pressure on actors who might belong to those communities but be closeted, or not want to make that part of their life public. Same goes for authors too, the writer of Simon Vs. The Homosapien Agenda felt pressured into coming out as bi because "she shouldn't have been telling those stories". This isn't like cases of whitewashing and colorism in casting or casting cis men to play trans women, there's more nuance to it imo.
I also understand that there's gay actors who don't wish to play gay roles for fear of being type cast.
Exactly!!!
New video drop on my lunch break yes!!!! ☺️ congrats on your 50k
I felt like this show was rushed. Ending of relationships and begin of the new ones. I don't know, maybe it's because they are short episodes and I watched it all in one day I don't know.
I get Mia dating the college guy and moving on to Andrew coz they dated for like a day or so and he was a dbag. Plus her and Andrew had always had something going on.
But Felix moving from being in love with Lake to being in love with his friend's lil sister was very rushed. Also, breaking up with your partner coz they care about you did not make any sense. I get being mad/angry at them for 'betrayal', but a whole break up. Especially coz his mom really needed the help she got from Lake's stunt. Pilar is okay and I feel like I will enjoy their relationship, but for me, it felt rushed af.
Then Victor. Boy oh boy. I get that Benji was annoying and totally didn't get the cultural differences or whatever. But really I was so annoyed with Victor as well. Like can he grow some balls and learn to be assertive. To some extent Benji was right, Victor's mom was an obstacle to their relationship and Victor just refused to see that. We (poc) know how our parents are about certain things but it does not make us blind to their actions. We know what is happening. But it felt like Victor did not want to acknowledge the fact that his mom was being a bitch. I like Rahim, but I feel like Victor likes him because he is an easy choice for him.
omg yessss i've been waiting for this all day
Great video! I am also team Victor x Rahim for sure. They just seemed to have a connection that Victor and Benji didn't have. Also I love Felix so much, and I'm so happy they delved more into him in this season.
Just wanna comment on what you said about only lgbtqia+ actors playing lgbtqia+ characters. I definitely agree! But it's also good to keep in mind that there are closeted actors out there who know the lgbtqia+ experience but haven't come out yet. And if an actor is gay and they play a gay character, for instance, it would be kinda shitty for the audience to complain that it's played by a "straight" actor and thus make the actor feel like they have to come out when they're not ready just to justify their playing of the role.. :) Loved this video, though! I always agree with what you have to say. love your channel!
At first I didn’t hear what was wrong with the statement in 4:51 until it kind of just sinked in and... let’s just say thank you for clarifying because that would make Mia’s story a whole different kind of dark
Congrats on 50k
congrats on 50k💕💕
no bc ur so right abt rahim & victor! i rly liked them together & i hope to god victor isnt going back to benji………like theyre just not good together anymore…..& AlsO that damn last scene for the finale!!!!!! like it’ll be a Long Ass Time before we get another season just like the wait for s2 i’m not gonna rmbr the cliffhanger!?!?! id rather just know who it was at the finale instead of the first ep of s3. they rly did us dirty for that one
I feel like a stalker for clicking so fast😣
no ily for it
Really good to have such a thoughtful review. Many thanks
Felix and Pilar are my favourite couple the grumpy girl and sunshine boy trope is my favourite
I just discovered your channel, and it's amazing! You have a new subscriber!
Also Mia deserved better and Rahim was a vibe I hope Victor explores that avenue.
I felt that victor got off too easily with Mia. Like you shouldn't cheat on other people period. Like I would understand if they broke up before he got with benji and to be honest as soon as he knew. then it would be understandable if they got on good terms.
Like discovering your sexuality shouldn't be a free pass for cheating.
That's my thought
i really like the show! i hope mia gets more in season 3
Thank you for what was the best and most accurate review of this show I have seen. Glad to have found you.
When I think about it and listen to some reviews about why people love Victor and Rahim, they really made him the perfect character to come between Victor and Benji. He is recently out, he is more feme then Benji, he is another person of color. I kind look at it now like they wrote him as the perfect 3rd guy in this love triangle because everything about him just fits so well with Victor. I'm hoping for Venji, but I can really see why people are rooting for Vahim
i just love this Channel, and you inspire me to create my very own UA-cam channel.
This is my first recommendation of you and I like your video and cause of your cute little subscribers montage at the beginning I decided to check the rest of your channel out. And I saw a caption that said “sex education is actually good?” And so I’m subbing.
I'm so honored to be one of the subscribers that brought you one step closer to 50k. You grew on me in a very short period of time I might add, but when I heard that you are a VictorxRahim shipper, you truly gained a new fan ❤️
did i just go watch both seasons of love victor just for this video? yes. 😮💨💕
haha me too!
I really liked rahim and victor's chemistry.
You sound a lot like D’Angelo Wallace
this is the biggest compliment you could ever give me. thank you.
@@imuRgency haha you’re welcome u both give off the same vibe. Very calm and articulate.
Felix reminds me of a character Dylan o’brien has played u gets me 🙌🏾😅
watching him stand on the chair to come out was so fucking hard to watch. it was so cringe and embarrassing i was literally overheating
you should watch and review pose !! you’d love it :) it’s literally the best show and deserves all the awards😌
i discovered ur channel yesterday and the poc falling in love with white person trope is SO TRUE i keep thinking about it, like it literally applies to the vast vast majority of the shows i know its scary. mia was 1000% put thru so much unnecessary pain, i agree they better give her the world next season. and the benji not having to know about victor's experience so tru, also i agree it better not be benji and victor lmaooo i love rahim but mostly i just dont like benji
I need to watch this show now so I can finish watching this video!! 🌈🌈🌈 Also, congrats on 50k subs!!
You are very right about everything. A sage and observant commentary. Having a good rapport with people with whom one shares a similar cultural, ethnic or colour identity can indeed be profound: it's about human bonds, solidarity, understanding. But it's not the same as love. I am not sure I sense that Rahim and Victor love each other. Meanwhile, love can connect persons who share less in common. Like Benji and Victor.
As a gay teen the way they handled Victors "apology" to Mia is something I have a big problem with. Already in season 1 I saw how ppl didn't like the repeating trope of "someone comes out/figures out who they really are at the expense of someone else" I understand why some ppl didn't like, bc in some way it's validating that hurting someone doesn't matter as long you find out who you are, but I actually did like the idea, key word DID. I liked bc it is very realistic and something that does happen. Often when you're trying to 1 trying to hide your sexuality, you enter a relationship with someone to pretend you're straight and if you finally come out that person will be devastated bc it was all a lie or 2 (and this is kinda Victor's case) when you're unsure of ur sexuality and you start a relationship with someone bc u actually like them and for it to help you figure yourself out, but then you realize you don't like that gender and once again when they find out, they're devastated. This show is going for a more realistic approach, so I thought they would really show how the person who finds out ur non-straight will be really affected and how the person who comes out will need to take accountability, that's why I liked it, bc I thought they were gonna use this moment to teach the audience but they didn't and I'm really disappointed.
So when Victor says sorry to Mia, Mia then says "I feel like I'm NOT allowed to be mad at you bc coming out is the most important thing you've ever done". And that's the part that really made me angry, what's upsetting isn't that Victor dated Mia to figure if he liked her but that once he did realize he was gay he still kept dating her without actually tryna come out to at least her, but I let that slide bc coming out is very scary. What I don't excuse and shouldn't is that Victor goes further by cheating on her by kissing Benji not once but TWICE! And it doesn't end, on top of that the show makers or the writers, or whoever, they not only excuses his actions with "he was coming out" but that also justifies what Victor did. But it still doesn't stop, it goes one step further by making the victim, Mia, say they're not allowed to feel upset which is BS! Just bc you are going through something, in this case figuring out ur sexuality doesn't give u a free pass to hurt someone and when u hurt someone not to properly apologize or take accountability. What the writers should've done is let Mia tell Victor how upset she is bc she is most definitely allowed to feel that way and they should've had Victor acknowledge her feelings and let her know she SHOULD feel angry and done a better job taking accountability for the kissing Benji and leading her on. That would've been more realistic and a moment for everyone to learn.
EXACTLY!!!!!! MIA WAS RIGHTFULLY UPSET BUT THEY DIMINISHED HER STRUGGLES AND ANGER TO LET VICTOR OFF THE HOOK AND IT WAS SO FRUSTRATING.
Exactly!!!! That's my issue with that plus she forgave him too quickly. I was so pissed at him. He knew what he was doing. Why go to the dance knowing you don't have feelings for her and have a high chance running into Benji? Always putting himself in a position of temptation and kiss Benji on two occasions. I'm gay and I love mia and she didn't deserve that or anything that came after. She could've outed him but choose to take the hits smh.
Mia adds that "but I
just wish that you doing
the most important
thing you've ever done
didn't make me feel like shit" so she does tell us how she feels about it and that Victor should've handled it better. I think the writers wanted to make Mia a good, forgiving person and highlight their friendship but ultimately Victor doesn't get called out. I see that the problem is that they muddled "figuring out your sexuality" and "cheating". Like Victor shouldn't be made feeling bad for questioning his sexuality while dating a girl but he should've broken up and been criticized for cheating (like I'd forgive his first kiss, he was exploring and confused, but the finale wasn't it). It didn't hinder my enjoyment of the show because I didn't think too deep about it but I see why it's something that would annoy people.
Thanks for telling me to hold up and watch it. I feel hyped for it so I'm gonna watch it right now! Where can i find it?
Found your channel because I’m having Love, Victor withdraws. I agree with you on pretty much everything. I’m defiantly team Victor/Rahim. And I’m very interested to see what happens with Mia. Keep up the great work my friend.
Wow I remember watching your college videos but never followed your videos past that. Congrats.
I personally am still team benji, but I like rahim too. People have to realize like benji obviously went through some stuff too, like the dad taking him to a strip club. I’m sure that next season they will talk about him more. Like his alcoholism and just everything. I think they may take a break, buuut, I am pretty sure they are endgame so
Omg I hated the references that they threw every episode like stooppppppp we get it
Maybe this is just me talking but i have been taught to always support family, your family is everything and I really understand why Mia deserve so much better, that girl need a break but! I honestly wouldn’t tell my Dad to let go of a job that he worked so hard to get. Her dad is definitely selfish! But this is his job, his dedication. I grew up with my Dad working a whole different state from us, there were days I didn’t get it, he felt like he was never around but growing up, I understand better now.
im going to need you to watch cruel summer!! its only 10 ep
I guess I'll be the miscreant Benji defender because someone has to. I'll concede that the way Benji acted towards Isabel during that scene was incorrect. However, Isabel had been treating Benji like shit FOR MONTHS! Refusing to let him in the house, throwing out their food rather than allowing him to eat there. Showing visible disgust whenever he showed Victor the slightest affection. He had every right to lose his temper. Her being a POC does warrant some consideration... but only so much. Being a POC doesn't give you carte blanche rights to treat your son's boy friend in any fashion you want.
And Benji also had every right to be upset with Victor for sharing his AA status. He's known for over a year how sensitive Benji is about that. And then for Victor to blab about it to another man- especially another gay man? He has a right to be pissed.
Plus I do have a lot of reservations about Rahim. Are you seriously going to tell me he had no ulterior motive behind the "White boys just don't get it" speech? Of course he did. And then he had the gall to act all innocent stating he didn't mean to come between Victor and Benji? Of course you did, Mo fo. You know you did and you pretty much admitted it when you kissed Victor. I hate it when people throw a rock and hide their hand.
I really kinda hated benji so much this season lol he was always getting mad at victor for his mom being homophobic as if that was gonna affect him more than victor lmao, and then lowkey guilt tripping him into coming out but not being there for him when he faced homophobia from his teammates, also the scene where he snaps at victor about how annoying it is that he's new to being gay, which victor expressed he very insecure about in the first few episodes, and the reason benji snapped is bc..... he was called out for being a hypocrite??? bc he wasn't open about himself when he's always trying to get victor to be open about everything?? idk dude has bad vibes
Yo I don’t understand why at the finale of each season victor cheats on mia than victor sorta cheats on benji I wouldn’t be surprised every season finale someone cheats on someone 😂
The second season of LOVE, VICTOR was an improvement over the first one. While there were still some contrivances caused by lies, secrets and misunderstandings, they weren't predominant anymore. Most of the drama was generated by people having realistic problems without easy solutions. And the characters are still likable (arguably more than before).
*Spoilers ahead!*
In E4, Victor says he wants to go to a cabin with Benji and his friends for the weekend. Isabel says she and Armando should discuss it first, but Victor calls her out for being apprehensive about his sexuality. Here's the thing, though: These are still teenagers, so it's normal for a parent to have doubts about an unsupervised getaway. The writers should've waited to use this idea in a later episode. One where Isabel has learned to fully support Victor. That way, during this scene, she would say "No, if you had a girlfriend, I would've reacted the same way."
In E9, Rahim says to Victor "I didn't finish reading LORD OF THE FLIES. Who knew a bunch of hot British boys getting stranded on an island could be so boring?" Ummm... Aren't the characters in that book pre-teens? Ewww!
In E10, ends with Victor *and* Felix *and* Armando realizing who they want to be with and going to their homes. Lake didn't get a full declaration, but it was close enough. Look, when you have an ensemble like this, you should try to be more varied with how you wrap up the different storylines for the season. You also shouldn't repeat the format of the cliffhanger from the previous season (a shot of Victor saying something important and fading to black before we see the reaction). Speaking of, Victor now has to pick between Benji and Rahim, whom he hasn't known for that long. Therefore, the ending isn't really a nail-biter. Even if he does choose Rahim, then that would make the previous scene pointless. You know, the one where Felix told Victor to imagine his future in great detail and who he wants by his side. That meant he was going to pick the boy he loves, not the boy he merely likes. Not that Rahim is a bad choice, but realistically, picking him would be based on other factors.
I am really annoyed that I am just coming across this channel. Your content is fire asf not gone cap. I loved this season but the ending threw me for a loop even though it was fantastic. I am definitely team Victor&Benji, but kudos to Rahim for shotting his shot and he actually scored cuz he's a solid love interest for Victor. My next issue comes in the form of Pilar and Felix; I'm kinda disappointed that things didn't work between him and Lake because that girl helped his mother and there will never be a way Felix can repay such a favor. It's also kinda problematic for me with Pilar being Victor's younger sister but I might just be salty. All in all, a great finale and I can't wait for s3 and awesome job on your video!
The actress who plays Mia is on point the emotion she puts in her eyes. And I really fuck with Rahim