Thanks. Video Showcases it wrong. Rush Job while trying to record the dummy video :( Still writing the blog as I am writing the comment. Will update here with a comment as well.
@ColoristFoundry, you mentioned using a 'custom version' of the bleach bypass DCTL, but I'm skeptical. If modifications were made, why not highlight them in the video or blog from the start? Mistakes are a part of learning, but it's important how we address and move forward from them. Not everyone reads UA-cam comments, and stating you used a 'custom version' could lead to confusion and incorrect application of the DCTL by viewers. Could you either correct the video section or share the modified DCTL with proper instructions? Acknowledging and learning from mistakes is crucial in color science.
Genuinely apologise here. I understand how things might be coming off as skeptical, let me make things right. Blog indeed seems quite confusing. Allow me a couple of days to update it (i am sure if time was a luxury i wouldn't have made a mistake in the blog or video). Everyone who downloaded LUTs or dev-tool will receive an update email. I surely want to be respectful to learnings and the community (unlike how it used to be at colorist factory). I am trying my best, but that's no excuse. Again, apologies. - Jai
For anyone curious, the music here is MelodySheep’s soundtrack to The Sights of Space. I hear their music all over UA-cam now, but nobody seems to credit where it comes from. Otherwise great video, thanks for the free resources
Thanks. We buy the right to the audio via music bed. For longest time UA-cam displayed the tracks underneath for us, but they’ve stopped doing that since there is no copyright obligation from their end anymore (via something between Musicbed and UA-cam). But regardless, Good Advice, let me update music credits in all the videos and maybe will try to include the artist and music in video itself by the end screen from new videos:)
@@ColoristFoundry Really appreciate the response! I wasn’t aware that they sold the rights to their music-that might explain why I’ve been hearing it more often. Hope that I didn’t come off as rude or condescending. Thanks for taking the effort to make these videos!
They did not record to Vision3 film, that's camera negative, they recorded to intermediate 2254. The final grade was made before film out, the intermediate stock has a gamma of 1.0, so it can transfer the graded input gamma 1:1 along the straight line portion of the H&D curve. Vision3 has a much higher granularity than 2254, the only significant impact to the film out process is decreased spatial fidelity.
Correct, although iso is closer to 2. The closest grade that I've seen that emulates Dune's process is the power grade from film laboratory on gumroad although it doesn't work very well for indoor shots. It's the only one that uses a 2254 emulation with bleach bypass in the right order.
The reason people shouldn't match their grade to another film is that it's another film and the look should be your own. Replicating a look is perfect for learning the craft and processes, but whenever I see people trying to copy a grade for a real project, especially if it's a professional one, I just think they're hacks trying to ride the wave of more brilliant artists. Just like when True Detective came out and everyone at marketing agencies started copying the style of that show's intro. A grade should be what's fitting to the project or a look that has been fine tuned by an artist to be their own voice in visual storytelling. Otherwise people will just end up being bland knockoffs while believing themselves to be professional masters.
I think it's okay to copy a look, as long as it is then matched to whatever you're portaying in your film. Obviously different color grading fits different base material and vice versa. Taking inspiration from genius artists is morally justyfied, since it is heavily implied by the very nature of teaching and learning, so there shouldn't intrinsically be a problem there. The problem arises, when somebody tries to legitimise a work of their own, when in reality it's starkly influenced by other (probably greater) works and no credit is given. On the other hand, I think it's also okay to copy looks and so on, for the sake of learning the craft, not for distributive or profit-oriented purposes. Also, speaking from personal experience, sometimes it's just extremely fun and rewarding, to recreate something, just for the sake of doing it on your own; programming and various other things are good examples for this...considering, that many changes will be made, in order to suit a vision that sometimes could only be formed BY the process of copying, that's alright, I guess. But I'm just babbling away, I reckon.
@@DaddyRaiden 100% agree with you. I honestly found this video really interesting and it would be an absolute shame if it was such a taboo to attempt to copy and learn from another film that people stopped trying. While I fully understand the moral and ethical standpoint of copying someones work, I believe examples like this video should not be under such harsh scruetiny as it is because, i believe, this is purely from a educative and entertainment purpose.
For a more accurate look it would be possible to emulate the kodak 2254 print as thats the same stock they used to do the digital to film transfer along with the bleach skip dclt
@@SHDEdits they had certain clips in film intermediate go through the bleach skip process and then emulated to match it perfectly for the rest of footage on digital
@@creed3500 Just checked you're right, I must have missed the desire to emulate a skip bleach, given that they went through a real skip bleach for The Batman, I'm surprised they chose to emulate it rather than just do it for real.
Go for color slice or look Dev tools, link in bio. As far as emulating the negative is concerned, I can share a negative only LUT over Instagram for you to play around with
Unfortunately the script for generating the split-tone-ramp doesn't seem to work on every kind of grade. I wanted to try out this method on a different movie (Asteroid city) but it seems like the script doesn't find the darkest and brightest pixels correctly.
I think Astroid city is a bit complex for the script. You would typically need something that does a deeper analysis of highs and shadows.. For this script it’s better if we try shots that are in mono tones. All the shots I uploaded were cropped (no black bars) and were following similar tonality
@@dik56 how could this video "stop copying dunes look" matter to a book that has no pictures. I know the book is influential but the book is irrelevant to the topic of copying a look of a movie.
@@ColoristFoundry for example, I want to make another movie, how can I upload a screenshot of a new movie and how can I get a gradient through the code?
@@akelindstrom1786 At least it's not boring like Villeneuve's pretentious slog. It may be a mess, but at least it's memorable. I forgot Dune part 1 the next day.
What is the point of trying to grade a shot of 2 people in a photography studio under boring lighting to a not even match a somewhat more dramatically lit shot of Timmy Shallz on a movie set? Seems totally pointless to me. Secret to the dune look? pop a beige solid over the footage in color mode then bring back the blue of the eyes. It's a boring ass look anyway. I'm exaggerating for comedic affect, but the truth isn't that far off.
These movies look like those old Obsession perfume commercials. I don't see why people are freaking out so much about them. The cinematography is 'pretty' for a quarter of the movie and then it just gets boring due to it's muted palette and constant wide shots. Empty and hollow like some high end fashion magazine. Or maybe some ultra modern brutalist mansion filled with lots of minimalist art, trinkets and furniture you can't touch. I hope this doesn't become a trend in Hollywood. Not like they're producing much else of interest, but I really don't need any more of Villeneuve's sterile style. Just my view.
The Bleach Bypass dctl expects linear signal as input. Your video and blog setup is wrong. Just to let you know.
Thanks. Video Showcases it wrong. Rush Job while trying to record the dummy video :( Still writing the blog as I am writing the comment. Will update here with a comment as well.
@ColoristFoundry, you mentioned using a 'custom version' of the bleach bypass DCTL, but I'm skeptical. If modifications were made, why not highlight them in the video or blog from the start? Mistakes are a part of learning, but it's important how we address and move forward from them. Not everyone reads UA-cam comments, and stating you used a 'custom version' could lead to confusion and incorrect application of the DCTL by viewers. Could you either correct the video section or share the modified DCTL with proper instructions? Acknowledging and learning from mistakes is crucial in color science.
Genuinely apologise here. I understand how things might be coming off as skeptical, let me make things right. Blog indeed seems quite confusing. Allow me a couple of days to update it (i am sure if time was a luxury i wouldn't have made a mistake in the blog or video). Everyone who downloaded LUTs or dev-tool will receive an update email. I surely want to be respectful to learnings and the community (unlike how it used to be at colorist factory). I am trying my best, but that's no excuse. Again, apologies. - Jai
classy response and questions from both of yall! @@ColoristFoundry
For anyone curious, the music here is MelodySheep’s soundtrack to The Sights of Space. I hear their music all over UA-cam now, but nobody seems to credit where it comes from.
Otherwise great video, thanks for the free resources
Thanks. We buy the right to the audio via music bed. For longest time UA-cam displayed the tracks underneath for us, but they’ve stopped doing that since there is no copyright obligation from their end anymore (via something between Musicbed and UA-cam).
But regardless, Good Advice, let me update music credits in all the videos and maybe will try to include the artist and music in video itself by the end screen from new videos:)
@@ColoristFoundry Really appreciate the response! I wasn’t aware that they sold the rights to their music-that might explain why I’ve been hearing it more often. Hope that I didn’t come off as rude or condescending. Thanks for taking the effort to make these videos!
They did not record to Vision3 film, that's camera negative, they recorded to intermediate 2254. The final grade was made before film out, the intermediate stock has a gamma of 1.0, so it can transfer the graded input gamma 1:1 along the straight line portion of the H&D curve. Vision3 has a much higher granularity than 2254, the only significant impact to the film out process is decreased spatial fidelity.
Correct, although iso is closer to 2. The closest grade that I've seen that emulates Dune's process is the power grade from film laboratory on gumroad although it doesn't work very well for indoor shots. It's the only one that uses a 2254 emulation with bleach bypass in the right order.
It's comments like this that I live for.
The reason people shouldn't match their grade to another film is that it's another film and the look should be your own. Replicating a look is perfect for learning the craft and processes, but whenever I see people trying to copy a grade for a real project, especially if it's a professional one, I just think they're hacks trying to ride the wave of more brilliant artists. Just like when True Detective came out and everyone at marketing agencies started copying the style of that show's intro. A grade should be what's fitting to the project or a look that has been fine tuned by an artist to be their own voice in visual storytelling. Otherwise people will just end up being bland knockoffs while believing themselves to be professional masters.
I think it's okay to copy a look, as long as it is then matched to whatever you're portaying in your film. Obviously different color grading fits different base material and vice versa. Taking inspiration from genius artists is morally justyfied, since it is heavily implied by the very nature of teaching and learning, so there shouldn't intrinsically be a problem there. The problem arises, when somebody tries to legitimise a work of their own, when in reality it's starkly influenced by other (probably greater) works and no credit is given. On the other hand, I think it's also okay to copy looks and so on, for the sake of learning the craft, not for distributive or profit-oriented purposes. Also, speaking from personal experience, sometimes it's just extremely fun and rewarding, to recreate something, just for the sake of doing it on your own; programming and various other things are good examples for this...considering, that many changes will be made, in order to suit a vision that sometimes could only be formed BY the process of copying, that's alright, I guess. But I'm just babbling away, I reckon.
@@DaddyRaiden 100% agree with you. I honestly found this video really interesting and it would be an absolute shame if it was such a taboo to attempt to copy and learn from another film that people stopped trying. While I fully understand the moral and ethical standpoint of copying someones work, I believe examples like this video should not be under such harsh scruetiny as it is because, i believe, this is purely from a educative and entertainment purpose.
For a more accurate look it would be possible to emulate the kodak 2254 print as thats the same stock they used to do the digital to film transfer along with the bleach skip dclt
They didn't skip bleach the intermediate in Dune.
@@SHDEdits they had certain clips in film intermediate go through the bleach skip process and then emulated to match it perfectly for the rest of footage on digital
@@creed3500 Where did you read this?
@@creed3500 Just checked you're right, I must have missed the desire to emulate a skip bleach, given that they went through a real skip bleach for The Batman, I'm surprised they chose to emulate it rather than just do it for real.
@@SHDEdits some clips were real but the rest still cut very well
Thank you so much a wonderful job , well done 👍🏻
Will arri film matrix invert dctl be sold?
Amazed by the complexity of this poor mans job. Is it possible to get all of these DCTL Plugins?
Go for color slice or look Dev tools, link in bio. As far as emulating the negative is concerned, I can share a negative only LUT over Instagram for you to play around with
I need to see the Dune logo in papyrus now because reasons.
Nice video !! Can you give me the name of the plugins for the bleach by pass please ?
I mean, on what website can you make a Pallete?
instantly regocnise the melody sheep music
Same. 😂
Hello! Thank you! Where can I download "arri film matrix invert dctl"? Thank you!
These guys "try to help" but they dont lol
If you ever find out, i'd like to know too
Unfortunately the script for generating the split-tone-ramp doesn't seem to work on every kind of grade. I wanted to try out this method on a different movie (Asteroid city) but it seems like the script doesn't find the darkest and brightest pixels correctly.
I think Astroid city is a bit complex for the script. You would typically need something that does a deeper analysis of highs and shadows..
For this script it’s better if we try shots that are in mono tones. All the shots I uploaded were cropped (no black bars) and were following similar tonality
@@ColoristFoundry Ah ok, thats unfortunate... Gotta stick to doing it by eye then...
@@davidbitterlich8236 brb, calling Sam Altman 😆
just discovering this channel today. legendary.
i discovered it today, a day after you
i dont regret it
bro whos copying it
literally everyone after the 70s
@@dik56 true. But the movie just came out no other movies have had time to make other films derivative of dune.
@@people174 brother dune has existed for decades, the fact that there's a new movie out means nothing
@@dik56 how could this video "stop copying dunes look" matter to a book that has no pictures.
I know the book is influential but the book is irrelevant to the topic of copying a look of a movie.
how can I run the python script on my own to analyze other films? Great video btw, ive been spending the last week studying this from wake to sleep 😁
also need to find the arri matrix invert dctl pleaseeeee
Link please? We just can’t find a site like the one in your video, what site? Give me a link please
coloristfoundry.com/recreating-dunes-cinematic-color-grade-a-step-by-step-guide/
Apologies :(
where can I make codes on which site?
Blog link in description
@@ColoristFoundry for example, I want to make another movie, how can I upload a screenshot of a new movie and how can I get a gradient through the code?
What is the music in the background?
MelodySheep - The Sights of Space OST
Is the split analyzer available somewhere?
Blog, linked in description
Find it to sepia for me
Getting ideas for Gallowmere?
:O You know about the madness that is Gallowmere?@@InReserveProductions
So they recorded it digitally, then transferred it to film and then copied that film back to digital?...
Denis Dune is desaturated compared to David Dune. I liked David Dune more for more vibrant colors and Toto.
And the Mini-Series is even more colorful, imo David's version is the most visually pleasing. The older I get, the more I love David Lynch's Dune.
David's versions look doesn't serve the story well.
@@akelindstrom1786What do you mean? What is wrong with David's Dune story?
@@ZvilgantisKailis he meant, the vibrant colours does not go well with the dark themes.
@@akelindstrom1786 At least it's not boring like Villeneuve's pretentious slog. It may be a mess, but at least it's memorable. I forgot Dune part 1 the next day.
Its still saturated
🤯
What is the point of trying to grade a shot of 2 people in a photography studio under boring lighting to a not even match a somewhat more dramatically lit shot of Timmy Shallz on a movie set? Seems totally pointless to me. Secret to the dune look? pop a beige solid over the footage in color mode then bring back the blue of the eyes. It's a boring ass look anyway. I'm exaggerating for comedic affect, but the truth isn't that far off.
Am I the only one who thinks the film is too unsaturated, especially the sand looks too pale.
woah|
It’s far from dune look
Yeah no wonder
These movies look like those old Obsession perfume commercials. I don't see why people are freaking out so much about them. The cinematography is 'pretty' for a quarter of the movie and then it just gets boring due to it's muted palette and constant wide shots. Empty and hollow like some high end fashion magazine. Or maybe some ultra modern brutalist mansion filled with lots of minimalist art, trinkets and furniture you can't touch. I hope this doesn't become a trend in Hollywood. Not like they're producing much else of interest, but I really don't need any more of Villeneuve's sterile style. Just my view.
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@@kurhanchyk 👍🏻