Tin Hifi P1 Max - The Planar that thinks it is a Dynamic - Honest Audiophile Impressions
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- A BIG thanks to Linsoul for providing the Tin Hifi P1 Max for review, greatly appreciated. Is the P1 Max the best planar? Does the P1 Max sound planarish or like a DD?
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Hi Dave. Excellent review, the detail and soundstage description is masterful. Always a pleasure to listen to you.
Thanks for the kind words.
Hi dave, based on your suggestion that i asked in the discord group, i finally get this p1 max... and i very much enjoy this iem.
very accurate and spot on review for this iem!! Thanks Dave!!
Great to hear! Glad you enjoy the P1 Max.
Best review of one of my favorite IEMs. With the sale on Linsoul this has gotta be the best value in audio. I always enjoy music when I listen with these. 🐼
Thank you for the kind words, much appreciated. P1 Max is a fantastic value for the price on Linsoul.
Excellent work as always informative and detailed. My best planars to date are Raptgo Hook X. This is the upgraded version of all Elixir. Can't wait to hear your opinion on Hook X and of course in comparison to other planars and Elixir.
Hook X review coming soon.
Just purchased the Pi max 2 days ago and you hit the nail on 2 specific points. It is picky on portable dac/amps ( i found it west best with the IFI Hip Dac, with a slight warm, laid back signature and ample power). The 2nd point you were spot on is, the timeless is less resolving and revealing than the P1 max. (i have the timeless as well). Overall the best tuned Planar. Thanks Dave.
Awesome 😎👍 Thanks for the impressions. Glad you enjoy the the P1 Max. Thank you for the kind words, much appreciated ❤️
can you use it plugged straight in the smartphone without a dac?
My phone doesn't have a headphone output. I have no idea how it sounds without a dongle.
@@SileDevil yes you can simply plug it into your phone's analog output directly (albeit the volume will mostly have to be turned up 100%).
It’s $100 USD right now. Half the Timeless and more than half the Hook-X. And about $50 USD less than the S12. So, I think it’s the better choice right now, for the price.
I ordered one because of this! Waiting on receipt. I love my Timeless but want to do a comparison.
@@arthurhaywood2184 You should have waited. $84 USD today. I just ordered.
@@arthurhaywood2184 hello so how do they compare to the timeless? I am considering a buy because right now they are like 85 bucks.
@@matusjurcik6974 I would describe them as being a bit on the bright side of neutral with an emphasis on the upper mids/lower treble. It’s an area where I know that I can be hypersensitive to but that’s a personal thing. Some may be just fine with its tuning. That’s not to say that I don’t like it. It’s just to say that I like the Timeless more. What I would say is that at its current sub $100 price, I’d consider it to be a bargain. It’s a great choice for an EDC. It’s better than a TinHifi T3+ and smoother than an og Tripowin Olina although I do prefer a modded Olina over it.
Sport on review mate keep up the good work 👍
Thanks, will do!
Great review Dave! I bought the Tinhifi p1 max and sent it back because it sounds like a dd to me. It’s not a bad IEM, but it’s a bit overpriced by $20 imo. I think the plastic housing could have something to do with the sound as well. I will be looking at the TRN Kirin when it comes out. Linsoul is selling the Kirin on their site for about $130. Saw your review on the Elixir and may take a chance on it! I did plug the P1 Max into my rebuilt iPod classic and it did sound pretty good, but everything else meh.
Thanks for your impressions.
Nicely done 👍
Thanks
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Great review
Thanks
Thanks Dave. Love my S12 and Timeless but wanted to give these a shot. At $84 on linsoul, it's hard not to pick them up.. 😎👍
Awesome 👍😎
Got them today for 80$ 😁
Gonna report on the sound when they arrive, but as of now I think it's safe to say that out of all the headphones/audio channels my opinion on the sound is most closely matched to what you describe. Happened on every purchase - Sundaras, all the KZ shits I bought (never again) like ZEX, CRA, EDX, etc..
This is the channel I look at when I wanna make purchasing decisions now, that's a very high praise if you knew me :)
Keep up the good work man!!
Awesome 👍 Look forward to hearing your impressions of the P1 Max.
Thanks for the kind words, much appreciated. I'm glad you find the channel content helpful.
@@TheHonestAudiophile
Well it took way longer for the earphones to get to my location than expected (exactly 50 days). I'll get straight into it and confirm all of your finding regarding P1 Max.
They are very source dependent. I run my desktop on Fiio K7 and on that they sound amazing. High resolution, note weight and definition, increased dynamics and stage.
That said on my iBasso DC 05 they sound very bland and non exciting in any way. They even lose some midrange on that dongle and dynamics especially. For someone who plans on using this with the dongle on the phone that sucks. Oh well i guess an upgraded dongle is due. I'll follow your observation and go for the FC4.
I fully agree that this is the least obvious planar I've heard. It sounds very natural and neutral. There is a slight hump in midbass though. In my opinion that famous "planar" timber comes mostly from the increased energy in the treble which most manufacturers love to shove in our ears these days.
Oh and one more thing, I've ordered the wide bore Spring Tips to check that out as well and see if I like it more or less. I have a plethora of tips but none of which are wide bore so that should be interesting.
Anyway thank you once again for providing us (in this case me 🤣) with a very good insight on how these sound. I can probably blindly buy anything that matches my sound preference based on your reviews which is saying a lot as I'm a picky bastard 😆
@bogmirkovic8219 Awesomeness 😎 Glad you enjoy the P1 Max. Thanks for the impressions.
I received P1 Max today.
It's much better than I expected.
Bass isn't weak, you just need right tips and power source I think. I'm glad I got these for 99 only, no brainer and excellent entry point for planar IEM.
Awesome 👍😎 Glad you enjoy the P1 Max, my favorite planar IEM.
@@TheHonestAudiophile Maybe I wouldn't have bought it if you gave it a low rating.
Now I rate you high and crinacle gets points taken away for trash talking P1 Max.
BTW, do you know how fragile planars iems are compared to most dynamic drivers owned by peasants?
I've read some say it's more fragile but others say it's less fragile. Also, I wonder if it's not a good idea to put it closer to magnets? Just wanted confirmation from the honest audiophile. Thank you.
PS. I use Sony nwz-A15, have to increase the volume 3 or 4 notches up to sound alive.
I haven't had any issues with driver failures on planar IEM. But I haven't had much issue with any IEM to be honest. But I don't use an IEM as a daily driver for weeks or months like a lot of users as I have other IEM I'm reviewing so my usage isn't as heavy like some users.
Glad you found the channel content helpful and thanks for the kind words, much appreciated.
Which tips do you think are suitable? I need xl. I was not satisfied with what came out of it. 3 pairs of the same size (1 pair red 2 pairs black) that came out of the package.
JVC Spiral Dots are pretty solid option
I also like Softears UC and CTM Flexi tips
Hi Dave. Thanks for another excellent & thorough review. Taking some cues from your review, it seems the P1 Max has similar sound characteristic Tin Hifi T3+? Albeit with more resolution and air (hence the driver, Planar). Especially when you described the soundstage accuracy (and then I compared to your review about the T3+). Enlighten me, please. As for Planar, I am more familiar with home audio speakers, and I reckon they need (good) power to shine (based on my experience with Maggies, they shone when driven with Pass Aleph, not the likes of Rotel), plus the fact that P1 Max has, if not mistaken, relatively low sensitivity at 98±3dB @1kHz 0.126V. CMIIW. By the way, I think you should join Jim Austin at Stereophile for head-fi gears review, eh? :-D
For sure has some similarities to T3 Plus but mostly to the Kato. P1 Max is an upgrade to the T3 Plus.
Thanks for the suggestion about Stereophile.
Totally agree with you this time, these P1 max are great. I had to adjust via EQ to my preferences, but i like them more than my S12.
These are my current listening iems (with Simgot EA500 😏).
Edit 08/11:
With a "powerfull" source, such as xduoo link2 bal, these P1 max are reaching a top level, and not fatiguing at all, even at a loud volume.
To my ears, definitly better than S12, but they need power to open themselves.
Glad you enjoy the P1 Max and EA500. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I know this has been out for a while now, but having considered recently as my first planar IEM, I've found on forums and chats that they pair very well with Tube Amps. I know you don't agree with EQs, so even from something that's coloured as Tubes are may be something to look into for pairing with these.
Sure, P1 Max should sound good on a quality tube amp. I haven't tried it but I don't see why it wouldn't.
I just choose P1 Max over the Kato ... in my opinion P1 are more balanced than Kato and more musical and enjoyable...
Kato for me is just fatigue and to much high.
I use P1 Max with provided black tips and sound good on my Samsung galaxy note 9 and also Fiio K1 amp !
Awesome 👍😎 Thanks for the impressions.
I’ve had the P1 Max for a few days now, and I too prefer them over my S12s and my Timeless. I am really curious how to hear the goods on the new TRN Kirin planar….$129 and tunable. I wonder if KZ will try to tackle the planar IEMs..?
I am curious as to the Kirin as well, hope to hear and review one. Thanks for the impressions.
Hey why do you prefer P1 Max over S12 and Timeless. How does it respond to EQ being a planar?
@@ava1431 The P1 Max are much better in the treble area, the S12 and the Timeless are a little too shouty and sibilant for my ears. The P1 Max handles eq excellent like most planars.
@@fiddlix yeah I’m pretty sensitive to treble as well. Hence I have asked. Good that it responds to EQ well. How do you compare the technicalities of P1 Max vs 7Hz or Timeless.
@@ava1431 S12, wins on the technicalities, then the 7hz Timeless and P1 Max are about equal for a very close second. The difference is so small between all three, and what little difference there is between them, I don’t let it get in the way of my enjoyment of them.
hey dave, just want to thank you for this review. i bought this set for around $90 at my local store which is an absolute steal and i must say this is one of the best iem i ever heard! the tonality in this is amazing and just beat most iems that are more expensive. the details are excellent either altho not as good as Variations or Mangird Top but still amazing regarding the price i bought this. thankyou so much for your review sir!
Awesome 👍😎 I'm glad you enjoy the P1 Max. Thank you for the impressions. You're welcome for the review, glad you found it useful.
Hey Dave, thanks so much for this review. Since there are more planes entering the market. Is the P1 Max still your favourite planar IEM? I'm thinking about either getting a P1 max or save up for the Tangzu Wu Zetian Heyday. I don't plan to buy a dac and just want to use the IEMs straight from my phone. I currently own and use the Olina SE the most.
What would be your suggestion?
Thank you for your time doing reviews, highly appreciated.
A great day to you!
P1 Max is still highly recommended. HeyDay review coming very soon.
I would recommend the P1 Max but if you are just using your phone output I would also recommend a dongle DAC/Amp to bring out the best, I recommend the Hiby FC4.
Hi Dave , Planning to buy P1 max based on your review.
I have ibasso DC05 as DAC AMP source.
So will it be good enough for P1 Max?
Earlier bought TFZ Live 3 as per your recommendation and fully satisfied with the decision.
I do not have any experience with the iBasso DC05, sorry.
I look for ward to hearing your impressions of the Tin Hifi P1 Max.
Hey, I’ve been really enjoying your reviews lately since I am now looking at purchasing a great pair of iems for competitive gaming. I play competitive first person shooter games where imaging and treble response for hearing footsteps is most important. I also don’t like a lot of bass due to not being able to hear enemies when too many explosions are going off. Do you have a recommendations in the under $250 mark that fits my use case?
Glad you enjoy the channel, thanks for the kind words. To be honest,I am not a good source for gaming recommendations. I do not play FPS games much, very rare occasions. I also play sporadically on a PS4 Pro with sim racing and sports games. I mostly use the Rode NTH-100 headphone for gaming but for an IEM sub 250 I like to use the Moondrop Kato and the Tin Hifi T2. The Moondrop Blessing 2 is amazing for gaming if you can up the budget slightly.
tin t2 imaging is pretty good imho
@@erenyeager655 I agree 💯
You don't need absurd imaging for competitive gaming
An SSR would do the trick
Hey I reccomended that my friend buy the Shouer S12. He has Shozy 1.4s.
He says the treble is distorted on the S12 in comparison. I told him it could be
the amplifier isn't powerful enough for S12 because Planar. Does this sound right?
I mean, no one ranks the Shozy 1.4 over the S12. Could it be defective?
Yes, amplifier for sure could effect the treble. Also it is more revealing of an IEM so it maybe revealing flawed masters of the music.
Hi,decided to buy tin t3 plus for my upgrade what jvc spiral dots do you use for your tin t3 plus?fx9,fx10 or fx11?
JVC FX10 are what I use. I look forward to hearing your impressions of the T3 Plus.
I’m curious how you would compare this with the blessing 2?
Blessing 2 has less note weight and body, less bass impact, is brighter in the upper mids and lower treble and has more elevated upper treble. Blessing 2 has wider stage, a little better detail retrieval and resolution. Overall both are excellent choices but different presentations with the P1 Max as a more natural and neutral than the Blessing 2 which means colder neutral and analytical.
I don't know if you have ever tried electrostatic iem, but is there an alternative planar to shure kse1200?
Sorry I haven't heard the KSE1200 or any other electrostatic IEM.
Hi Dave.
I was planning on purchasing the Thieaudio Elixir based on your review, but his review intrigues me. Which IEM do you like better?
Thanks,
Ken
Between the 2 I'd pick the P1 Max but it is source picky and harder to drive then the Elixir. The Elixir is really close though and not really that much difference just a touch more bass impact and a little more laid-back in the treble.
@@TheHonestAudiophile
Wow man, thanks for the quick reply. I have the A&K Kann Alpha, so I don’t think driving the P1 Max will be a problem. Based on your comparison, I think I’ll go with the Elixir.
Look forward to hearing your impressions.
You're welcome for the comparison.
Hi, just curious whether you tested them on hiby fc4's 3.5mm or the bal output? Just wanted to know if it works well with shanling UA2 (output 3.5mm 2V @31Ω/ 125mW@32 Ohm & output 2.5mm bal 2.5V @32Ω/195mW@32ohms)?
I tested it on both outputs of the FC4. Sorry haven't heard the UA2.
@@TheHonestAudiophile Did the power from the 3.5mm slot on the FC4 drive them well?
The 3.5 output was not really up to snuff as much as the 4.4 but it did get loud, it was lacking in overall sonic performance.
11.11 is coming soon I am torn between P1 Max and T3 Plus. Are P1 Max worth the extra money over T3 Plus?
Yes, in my humble opinion. The P1 Max is a more detailed, resolving, natural and accurate reproduction.
The P1 Max requires a lot more power to drive.
Do you need DAC to drive P1 max when using with phone?
Which would you buy if this and KATO were the same price? Which has more bass?
The P1 Max requires a lot more power than the Kato. A dongle dac/amp with good power like the Hiby FC4 and Hidizs S9 Pro can drive the P1 Max well on balanced output. Kato has a little more bass impact. If both were same price; i'd buy both if I had a good dongle to drive the P1 Max.
@@TheHonestAudiophile thank you!
My pleasure, you're welcome.
Hi Dave :) so when somebody just says that the P1max is mediocre in technicalities does it mean that he is simply underpowering them? Also are the P1max prone to hiss? Thanks :)
P1 Max in my opinion is not lacking or mediocre in technicalities. Being underpowered can causes gear to sound lacking technicalities for sure. I don't hear hiss on the P1 Max on any of my sources.
@@TheHonestAudiophile Hi so I actually bought the set and now after some time, despite reviewers like crinacle claiming that these are inferior to the 7hz timeless or s12, I can tell for sure that the opposite is true. These are extremely precise and fast sounding iems, especially when powered properly 💙 and I agree with everything what u have said. Please people when they are on sale (80bucks) dont hesitate and buy them right away, they are steal. If u are a gamer and need something just for gaming buy them also in that case cause they will blow out of the water every gaming headphones around 80 bucks and more. For around 80 bucks buy either etymotic er2se, olina SE or these (on sales).
@@matusjurcik6974 Awesomeness! Thank you for the impressions. I agree, these are a steal of a deal at current and sale prices.
Hi Dave, Does it sound good with VE megatron?
That'll be covered in the Megatron review.
Do you think is really necessary to have a dedicated amplifier for an iem?
Depends on the IEM, some are harder to drive and respond better with better power. Usually the more powerful dongles are able to drive an IEM to potential. Planar IEM tend to be a little picky with power.
I'm completely new to IEMs and I just purchased these from linsoul for around $100 which is quite a steal I think. I am mainly planning to use them for desktop. Should I purchase anything to enhance the sound or will simply plugging it into the computer be enough? Thanks :)
Sounds like a steal of a price. Look forward to hearing your impressions.
I highly recommend an amplifier at minimum or a dac/amp combo or a powerful USB C dongle like the Hiby FC4. The Aune X1s GT is a solid dac/amp that pairs well with the P1 Max. The Drop THX One Linear is a great amplifier to pair with the P1 Max. I do not believe a computer output is enough to get quality sound out of the P1 Max.
@@TheHonestAudiophile Thanks so much for the reply! I will look into getting something to increase the quality of the sound and let you know what I think. There are so many different types of IEMs so I think I may have just entered a rabbit hole haha.
@@camerontayor01 Look forward to hearing about your rabbit hole journey.
@@TheHonestAudiophile Well, I ended up buying a SoundblasterX G6 DAC AMP to pair with the IEMs. They just came in today and my expectations were blown out of the water. Absolutely phenomenal sound compared to standard earbuds. I'm not that knowledgeable in audio stuff, but I am definitely happy with these IEMs. I was able to get the DAC AMP at a reasonable price as well. It seems I was right about entering a rabbit hole!
@@camerontayor01 awesomeness 😎 Glad you enjoy the P1 Max and G6. Thanks for the impressions.
Don't know guys... I don't own planar iems and I'm not sure I should own one. How much worse are they compared to over ears planars?
Hard to explain. Different presentations but similar at the same time. If you enjoy over ear planars then you'll probably enjoy a quality planar IEM.
So you think this has a better soundstage over other planars you've heard?
I think the P1 Max has an accurate soundstage. If that means it has the better soundstage...Sure.
Will P1 max be a good match for mojo 2?
Sorry haven't heard Mojo 2
How do these compare to olina?
Considering I've only heard the stock Olina, the P1 Max is superior in all areas.
Thanks for the detailed commentary, Dave. I'm on the fence between this P1 Max and the S12. My Qudelix 5k can output 240mw in balanced configuration. Do you reckon this would be enough do get at least a decent sound out of these planar IEMs? Which of the two are more demanding? For reference, I'm coming from the Shuoer Tape Pros (been using it for two years now but recently lost one side...) which, believe it or not, I quite liked despite it being very unkind to poorly mastered or older tracks.
I don't think you will get the best experience for either but it should be tolerable. The P1 Max is slightly more demanding.
@@TheHonestAudiophile Thanks for the insight! Much appreciated.
My pleasure, you're welcome.
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“Chicken wire.” Well, now that’s all I can see.
😂
You can tell they were scratching around for a face plate design
Will an android phone be able to drive this iem to its potential? Say mid range phones.
NO! In my opinion a phone is not providing the correct power for the P1 Max. A more powerful dongle, Hiby FC4, or portable amp, Topping NX7, is the minimum in my opinion. I highly recommend using any of the planar IEM on desktop amplifiers for optimal performance.
Could you suggest some iem with excellent soundstage and imaging as well as good depth, width and height...
Very subjective question but here are a few of the natural, accurate soundstages that I can think of in various price ranges.
Akoustyx R110
Moondrop Kato
Tin Hif P1 Max
JQ 4U Pro
Moondrop Blessing 2
SeeAudio Bravery
ADV M5-12D
CTM Da Vinci X
Ordered them for 88$, now wait for them to arrive. I have hifiman 4xx and ananda, sennheiser hd660, earpods, airpods pro 2 in my arsenal, and during summer 40'C outside I can't really use them, also I always wanted something portable, good quality, planar and wired. Source will be Fiio k5 pro
Look forward to hearing your impressions.
how is it compare to my idun2.0
P1 Max has more detail retrieval and resolution, more accurate tone and timbre, less treble aggression and harshness, more accurate stage width, depth and layer and more impactful and accurate bass presentation. In my opinion the P1 Max is a big upgrade to the iDun Golden when powered correctly.
@@TheHonestAudiophile ok good, thanks for the pro answer
My pleasure, you're welcome
p1 max or dunu titan s ?
P1 Max is an upgrade overall but the Titan S is better when used as a monitor and are also easier to drive.
@@TheHonestAudiophile I was waiting for your review, to confirm the purchase of the p1 max, I think your opinion is very relevant and consistent, thank you. i will buy the tin p1 max. i have tin t2 og and tin t2 plus and moondrop srr so i was looking for something better, more detailed and resolute. I'm glad you liked the tin p1 max. Is it a very large phone as shown in the photos? my ears are not big, they are medium, if the size of tin p1 max is similar to tin t2 plus i will be relieved.
It is larger than T2 Plus. It is similar in size to the T3 Plus and T5.
I look forward to hearing your impressions of the P1 Max.
Thanks for the kind words, greatly appreciate.
Which do you prefer the P1 max or Kato?
Comparison made in the video.
The phones have no amp power most of the time, that's a real problem in terms of driving any headphones or IEMs. I also cannot stand BT stuff so far because you're stuck with
the power output of the device and the BT phones or IEMs.
100% agree
@@TheHonestAudiophile I actually like BT for convenience sometimes, but I don't expect good sound, that's the problem. I don't blast my music super loud but I love the quality and power of a good headphone amp, and having a bass switch on it too, and gain. If the next iPhone I bought had A. an amp built-in and B. still had a headphone output minijack I would be much happier. Or BT IEMs with an amp in 'em somehow, though this is not going to happen. I read the Sadies headphones have an amp built-in, but they look ridiculous.
@@thiscorrosion900 Blue makes a couple of headphones with an amp. They're an interesting fit and style for sure. I actually own the Blue Lola, non amp version, just a headphone for the rare moment of something different. I rarely ever use Bluetooth.
@@TheHonestAudiophile I see, that's certainly an interesting design idea, I just don't love their designs, Blue. Bulky and
bizarre. I have heard they sound good, though. I recently got one of these WKIng type 80 watt BT speakers and THAT'S quite good! Sounds fantastic and has power and bass to burn. But headphones...nah. I have the HIfiman HE400Is and those are my champ home headphones for sheer detail and "subtle music" listening. I don't really bother using them for rock or very primitive music at all.
I usually don’t like it when reviewers talk about source gear for iems but for certain iems it’s kinda justified especially planars
I actually think that mentioning source gear is important in a review, it helps the viewer to have a reference point with the reviewer.