Hi Ian. The chrome bezel is glued to the casing. I pried mine apart to address a condensation issue. The glue, polystyrene cement or similar is fairly brittle, but a flat bladed screwdriver worked very carefully around incrementally cracked it apart unscathed. The two screws hold the electrics in place within the case. The casing actually breathes via drilled holes in the casing sides which are covered internally with gauze to prevent dust ingress. I drilled extra holes backing with gauze and then reglued the bezel on. This stopped further condensation issues. Hope the anatomy of the internals might help others.
Thanks for this. I get a little condensation very occasionally so its not a big problem. But should it get bad I can think of doing this. Should it need replacement I will get a kilometre one from EBay 50 quid but still has second mph readings so not illegal
I would think the moisture getting in is the reason why the glues becoming unstuck and possibly the dial warping, makes sense to me moisture is the main culprit.
Hi, I had the same problem last week so I went to the dealer who told me the warranty process (long and drawn out), he then suggested that I disconnect the Speedo clean the connection then reconnect it and see if that cures it and hey presto it did! So fingers crossed it stays that way. At one stage my Speedo was telling me I was travelling at 100 mph 🤣. Since cleaning the connection I’ve had no problems . Thanks for the info, ingenious fix 👍
Thanks for posting. Mine has just started playing up, thought it was something related to the recent rev counter installation, so pleased its not, but will be looking for a solution as well now.
Thanks Ian. I did some research on a faulty - donated Speedo. I attempted to post a link to it in the Classic 350 FB group. But every time I post the link, UA-cam deleted my entire comment. But it's on the group if you look for it 👍
Thank you. Same problem, intermittently. Usually when bike is in direct hot sun. Cleaning contacts did seem to improve things for my C350, but that doesn’t support your finding of a friction point. Thx for doing an autopsy for us, Ian.
Same thing happened to my speedo 2 weeks, dial was warped from 60mph markings and needle jammed during start up sweep. Motorcycle was in direct sun for a couple of hours…was not particularly warm as in Scotland. Took it to nearest dealer and they advised it would be a straightforward warranty claim. That was 3 days ago. Hopefully will get a a replacement soon. First issue with 350 and happy otherwise. Very informative channel and thanks for making video on this issue !
Hi Ian, very interesting. I'm on my third Classic and the Speedometers on the first two were replaced. I spoke to Royal Enfield on this issue and they said the problem was related to the glass distorting and so trapping the pivot point of the needle, particularly when there is direct sunlight onto the glass. They told me the Speedos were manufactured in China and that a modified Speedo was in production to cure the problem - that was back in 2022. I'm now on my 3rd Classic and in 9 months of ownership it has stuck once. Seems you may have stumbled across another issue with them?🤔 Love your videos and the tinkering and fettling you do to yours, keep em coming.🙂👍
Fascinating! My speedo needle has never stuck BUT the back plate has certainly warped. Initially it warped exactly how you described: the top, right started lifting up. Since then, it was more or less warped back down, not at all perfectly though. It's better than it was but definitely not as good as its original condition. Also, the central black disc of the needle looks mottled and pockmarked. It's all very strange but, again, the needle has always worked as per usual. The only explanation I could come up with was that it resulted from the heat of direct sunlight (or maybe moisture). Anyway, I'm so glad you posted this video! 🤓
Morning Ian. This is quite timely, as I will be doing a long term review on mine soon, also talking about the speedo 🙄. I found mine went wonky, in bright/hot sunshine last August. Put a warranty claim in, still waiting for the replacement. I could have had a like for like replacement, but didn’t see the point, as I had heard a rumour that RE had discovered what the fault was, and were supposed to be coming up with a new speedo with different back plate. In the meantime, while the weather isn’t hot, the speedo behaves, but I have bought a gps bicycle speedo, which is surprisingly accurate for use when the weather warms up.
Sorry for the delay in responding, life has been busy at the moment. Great to hear that you enjoyed the video and hopefully found it useful 😁👍 As my new speedometer has a slightly different part number, I’m hoping that it has been modified to potentially rectify this fault. Funny I mentioned fitting a bicycle speedo to another Royal Enfield owner at the weekend as a temporary fix to his speedometer issue.
Lateral thinking, love it! Mine had the same problem at 800 miles, My local dealer got me a new one under warranty within a couple of weeks, I just had to take a photo of the serial number ( to save a visit there where they would have had to have opened ity up and got the number first, don't know why RE needed that info, but it was sorted very quickly) Several people have commented about too much grease on the contacts, and the relays too, but from what you found, certainly looks mechanical. Thanks Ian for a really interesting video
>I just had to take a photo of the serial number.. May I ask in which country this is? It seems that importers in in different countries decide differently.
Really interesting stuff ! Thanks. It's handy that you've now got a scrap speedo to experiment with. The paper clip clamps could indeed solve the issue of the backplate lifting. We shall see. I suppose it will depend on the tension required to prevent the lifting. There seem to be various issues with these speedos. Some, like yours, seem to have the backplate lifting and interfering with the needle calibration sweep. Others, like mine, appeared to get condensation in the connector ( possibly happens when you ride on a hot relatively humid day and the speedo then cools down ), which just needed opening, cleaning and protecting and all was good again. That fix lasted until I sold the bike, six months later, I had no further issues. And plenty of people, myself included, managed to get condensation behind the "glass" and in the LCD part. Hopefully the new part number is an indication that RE has addressed some of the known issues with these speedos. It has taken them long enough and I dread to think what they've had to spend replacing all of those speedos under warranty ! Fingers crossed that your new one doesn't have any similar issues ! Thanks for a very well presented and informative video Ian 👍🏻 Garry
Hi Gary, great to hear that you enjoyed my video and found it helpful. Only time will tell, if the new speedometer is any better than the original one 🤣
@@tigerness5555 We can but hope ! It would be great if RE have finally got on top of this issue because it's very annoying and pretty much the only thing that causes aggro on these bikes. It is a pain for the owners when they lose their original odometer count too. Replacing speedos multiple times doesn't seem like much of a solution to me. I know of people who are on their fourth speedo. So presumably they have to add up the mileage of all four to know their total mileage so far. Brilliant ! Will RE pay for their calculator batteries too ? Cheers Ian, Garry
Hi. I too had the same speedo problem starting last year, “the fix” switching ignition of and on did indeed cure the problem for a while but it did return and this time permanent. I too since the first 300 service have done all my own servicing. So in I went to my RE distributer and explained my situation. The reception person was adamant I wouldn’t get it replaced because of the service schedule had not been kept up as required. I pointed out that although RE stated this and it was clearly written in their service manual I did not sign this and also my consumer rights bypassed this clause. However the service manager heard this discussion and came across and listened to what I had to say I also added it was not a “one off” and that this was a common problem his response was “we are here to do the best for our customers first and foremost “leave it with me” 2 weeks later I received a call to go and get my new speedo fitted. RE are well aware this is a problem and if you can get your garage to back you up they can’t or won’t refuse to replace it. I think this batch should be recalled as they have not brought out an updated speedo. The problem I’m told was the glue was coming off the backing allowing it to ripple this has been addressed. Hope this helps.
Great to hear that you had a satisfactory outcome to your issue, unfortunately the dealer I bought my bike from, is no longer in business. I also have never had any dealings with any of the other Royal Enfield dealers in Scotland. For me, it was much simpler just to replace the speedo, as explained in the video. Hope you enjoyed the video and found it helpful.
Hi Ian, it’s a pity they are sealed & not replaceable but I’m commenting as you might be interested in replacing the ones on your Bonnie. I have just purchased & fitted replacement dial faces on my Speed Twin from Arton Works in Italy & I think they are a big improvement over the OE ones, I think it is something you might be interested in. Best regards Les.
Sorry for the delay in responding, life has been busy at the moment. Great to hear that you enjoyed the video and hopefully found it useful 😁👍 Interesting, but I’m quite happy with the instrument on my phone thanks 👍
Love the thought process you have to have a go.😊 Real pity re the glass shattering 😢 I guess now you can actually attempt to get into the insides of it. Can the mileage be transferred across? Best wishes😊
Hi Mark Sorry for the delay in responding, life has been busy at the moment. Great to hear that you enjoyed the video and hopefully found it useful 😁👍 No the mileage cannot be transferred to the new speedo, unfortunately.
I have had my speedo changed but not for sticking, mine had condensation in the lower window. Unfortunately the new one also suffers from the same issue. I was thinking about taking it off and try spilt it but clearly will not do that now. Nice info, cheers.
Great to hear that you enjoyed the video. I’d love to know if you can find a way to open the speedometer without damaging it 🤣 Perhaps a Dremel might work.
@@tigerness5555 I ain't going to try unless I have a another unit to replace it but maybe heat may loosen the glue. The only problem with leaving the condensation is it may affect the electrics but will cross that bridge if it ever surfaces.
That was interesting as I had the same problem on my bike and it was replaced under warranty. Assuming it heading for the bin having “destroyed” the speedo, I would have kept at the casing in order to determine what actually kept it firmly sealed i.e hidden screws/glue etc etc. 👍
I think Im going to call you Einstein from now on. Well done for coming up with a fix.👍 I self serviced my bike and the dealer was fully aware of that. My speedo packed in and I thought, Ill go in and ask the question. Do you know he had Speedos in stock and gave it to me despite me self servicing. Maybe it depends on the dealer but I was surprised he had the speedo " on the shelf". If that isnt an indication that there is clearly a problem with them then I dont know what is! All the best mate. Ride safe👍
Hi Shottos, great to hear that you enjoyed my video on how to destroy a speedometer 🤣 Unfortunately for me, the dealer who I purchased my Enfield from is no longer in business, and as I haven’t had any dealings with any of the other ones in Scotland I don’t think I would have been as fortunate as you. By the way, I also enjoy watching your UA-cam channel 👍😁
Sounds like the factory needs to stick the back plate down better or fix down a different way? I’ve just had my classic 350 in the halcyon green , I’m very pleased but my first ride was very scary as I hadn’t rode for over 40 years, I did 24 miles and started to feel better but had trouble getting my boot under the gear selector so I think I’m going to buy a heal and toe . But I will be glad when I’ve got used to it a bit better. Then I’m going to go on a police course as I think I need it . But it’s lovely to have a bit of sunshine at last , your very good at engineering things and solving problems, I no good at that so really enjoy watching your videos thankyou 👍🏍️
I think we lift the shifter one click. Easily done, but there’s a trick you’ll find on line. Need to loosen a bolt and press left peg down to create enough clearance to rotate the shifter up.
Sorry for the delay in responding, life has been busy at the moment. Great to hear that you enjoyed the video and hopefully found it useful 😁👍 I hated the standard gearlever, I’ve tried moving it to different positions on the shaft splines and this helped slightly. The heel and toe gearlever is brilliant in my opinion and is the one that was specifically designed for this bike. The gearlever that comes as standard is only fitted because European markets don’t like heel and toe gearlevers.
I am having an intermittent issue with my speedometer but not quite the same as yours. I bought my 2023 Red/Chrome Classic 350 in February 2024. Within the first 100 miles, I noticed the speedometer sticking. When I would stop, it only returned to 20 mph or so. Following that as I was riding it indicated 20 mph higher than my actual speed. After that day in March, it was fine. It didn't repeat the sticking until I was coming home this past Sunday from a 50 mile ride. About a mile from home, it stuck on 40 mph. I reached 320 miles, so it was time to do the 300 mile service - changing the oil and filter and set the valve tappet clearances. After turning the ignition on and off a couple of times, the needle returned to zero and seems to do a full sweep without any problem multiple times. There is a faint noise as the needle sweeps back and forth but it's the same throughout the full sweep. There is no sign of the needle even getting close to the numerical face of the speedo. Since I just did the 300 mile service myself, I expect I might have an issue with the warranty at the dealer, which is 30 miles away. I know Stewart Fillingham had a speedo issue and couldn't ride his classic for a couple of months So, I ordered a tachometer from Hitchcocks so I would be able to estimate my speed if this continues to happen. Since my bike was manufactured in the spring of 2023, I had hoped they had the speedo issue corrected. Keeping my fingers crossed at this time. Very moderate weather here in California and I keep the bike garaged.
Stuart Fillingham also claims, that RE are not asking for a complete service record and the importer was helpful. This is definetely not the case here in Germany. The dealer I bought the 350 from has closed the doors for good and the importer just tells me to bugger of.
Hi Ian, Very interesting, I wonder if anyone has got into the unit? I would have to, just like you. But, can you cut the bezel off with a Dremel? At that point you should be into the cavity.? Of course we dont know if it can be disassembled from here. Plastic glues are plentyful for reassembly / sealing. Is there a chap out there with a 3D printer ? who could print a new body that is servicable? Yes, there must be! Come on lets set up a challenge ! There must be a lot of duff speedos on garage shelves world wide.? Does the Meteor clock suffer with the same problem ? A note to the manufacturer: Just a small change to the injection die to incorporate some hold down lugs to the chromed speedo facia would immediately fix this problem. Or maybe your spares business would suffer too much???. Regards
I had the exact same problem as yourself, the speedo face lifted in exactly the same place. The needle always came to rest at 60mph when stationary. The bike is at the dealership awaiting the fitment of a new speedometer under warranty. It is only 9 months old and has covered just 800 miles so still running in.
I had condensation inside the lower digital panel from delivery, before any cleaning or rain. Counter-intuitively, this was mostly evident in warmer weather after the bike had run for a while. This seems to have disappeared after a year, and one suggestion was that tape inside the headlamp nacelle contacts should have been removed by the dealer, keeping moisture inside the speedo unit. I wonder if Royal Enfield make the unit or its provided by a sub-contactor, as repeated failures are not reflected elsewhere in the bike's construction.
I notice some owners report long delays in warranty claims. My 350 Meteor Nova started misting the led screen after a few miles running. I reported this to my dealer (GS Motorcycles). They asked for a photo of the misting and when the bike went in for its first service the complete speedo was replaced. So I for one have had great service under warranty.
Well folks my new himalayan is doing the misting up as my 2019 model did...and warranty in now for new clocks because mode button doznt work ....ps this is not enfields alone !!!! my 1050 xt vstrom misted its lcd unit and back in 2007 my moto guzzi breva lcd misted to .thankfully my old tech instruments on my 2011 vstrom 650 no such problem.😊...brilliant fix sir 👍👍
Hi Ian. Been pondering your speed problem all week. Not sure why, as I have a Meteor and a Hunter. If you made a wire tool similar to the one you made that's sole purpose would be to push the raised dial down. Then drill 2 holes next to each other. Insert the tool, lower the dial and put a little blob of hot glue in the second hole. When dry, remove the tool and seal the 1st hole with hot glue. Repeat process several times so the dial is blocked down and that should be a permanent cure.
Hi Ian, i bought a 2022 classic last year, the gentleman i bought it off give me a cover made of polyurethane which fitted snuggly over the the speedometer, he told me to fit every time i washed the bike, im not sure thats its purpose im more inclined to think its to stop direct sunlight shining on it as its opaque in colour rather than clear but you can still read your speed but its not as distinct.
It seems direct sunlight and heat affects the backplate warping. I wonder if applying some window solar tint to the speedo glass would rectify the problem?
For a bike with not too much tech on it, I personally think there is still too much, never liked the sweeping clocks just another thing to go wrong, at least when the speedo cable on older bikes snaps it was a 12 quid fix and off you went!, but times change I suppose 😢
You are still under warranty take it back, it's not relevant to anything else you have done? But as usual, you have come up with an ingenious way to repair it, First class Sir 👍 Cheers Paul Foster
Hi Ian, Sorry to bleat on about this. Having visited India many times, I can almost certainly say that somebody there will be repairing these speedos. ALMOST EVERYTHING is recycled, until theres nothing left that could be useful to somebody. I've seen piles of light bulbs being recycled for the steel fitment, glass and filaments _ incredible to us in our world of waste. You have to take your hat off to their inginuity and skill. If theres somebody in India reading this, please post a return message to confirm a repair location Regards Mike N
Yes there are places in India who can fix/refurbish any speedometers.. sure it is cheaper than buying a new one. But international postage alone will cost many times the of cost of repairs😂 is it really worth it? unless you are talking about a speedo from a old bike where you cant actually get a new one!
Hi all. I too, had this issue, on the first day I bought the bike (was hot). And a few times after. Did the cleaning of the contacts and till then, only happend once or twice by very hot weather. Just 2-3 reset and all was fine again. Finger crossed, hope it stay so.
Sorry for the delay in responding, life has been busy at the moment. Great to hear that you enjoyed the video and hopefully found it useful 😁👍 The contacts on my speedometer were very clean. There was no sign of any grease anywhere.
Hi Ian, may I suggest thinking about some serious surgery to get inside the case then you will see what the real problem is and get some insight on how it has been made very difficult to open. And follow up with a 3D printed replacement case with an easy to get into design. Are there any "legal" traps with not having the real milage showing on the speedometer on the bike? The little bent paperclip idea is pure genius - fast, low cost and it does the job needed. 👍
Its a common issue, Mine started playing-up when I got caught in a down-pour, now the needle got stuck and the digital read-out has disappeared. I telephoned my local Royal Enfield dealer and they have ordered a replacement. How long that's going to take ? and the weather is hotting-up and I have no bike.
Sorry for the delay in responding, life has been busy at the moment. Great to hear that you enjoyed the video and hopefully found it useful 😁👍 As a temporary fix, you could try fitting a bicycle speedometer to your bike they are remarkably accurate 👍
I think when we leave the bike on sun for a long time , the glue under the backplate loses it's stickiness..that could be the reason for the backplate to come forward
Why did the face lift is it a problem with the adhesive ? Maybe try using superglue with a fine tube applicator through the hole and holding for few seconds ?
They put to much contact grease in the speedo connection. Mine done this from brand new. Clean a lot of the grease out of the connection and it will work fine. My backing was all wavy and kept catching then the new one would go to full speed and get stuck all over the place. I then cleaned the connection and it is fine. Mine only has 1400 klms on it.
The speedo connection on both my original and new one did not have any grease at all, both were perfect clean. The backing plate distortion was my problem. Hope you enjoyed my video and found it helpful 👍
There seems to be a number of faults with these speedos. Mine only read daft speeds when the weather was hot and had to be switched on and off until it read 0. It was replaced under warranty but I'd much prefer a unit I know to be reliable, even an after market one.
Sorry for the delay in responding, life has been busy at the moment. Great to hear that you enjoyed the video and hopefully found it useful 😁👍 It seems only to affect the classic 350, I’ve not heard of any other issues with other models.
Very interesting. The speedo problems I have heard about have been due to condensation/water leaks or too much thick grease on the speedo electrical connector. The Enfields are great bikes but these are the sort of issues they really need to sort. Why they have gone with such a flimsy and poorly secured backing plate is beyond me. Any competent engineer should have spotted the potential for your issue to occur.
My Classic 350 was on its fourth speedometer when I sold it. This seems to only be a problem with MPH speedometers, not the KPH ones. What I found on my original speedometer was the face would bulge up and jam the needle when it got hot. I’ve heard a rumor that the latest version doesn’t have this problem. No evidence of this though.
My RE350 Classic with a KPH speedo has similar problems. I doubt that the problem is purely mechanical though, as the speed reading goes up to 160km/h on a hot day.
@@martinmuller2809 the heat causes the face of the gauge to bulge. That causes the needle to stick during its initial sweep. Wherever it sticks becomes its new starting point, adding whatever number that is to the speed you are traveling. I don’t doubt that a few KPH speedos have this problem but it is extremely rare, as opposed to MPH speedos where it is extremely common.
6:17 so bottom line here is the 'built to a price' issue is certainly apparent on the clock unit, but RE should take ownership of the problem and with more speed than they are given it's been a known problem for a couple of years now 🤷🏻♂️
Sorry for the delay in responding, life has been busy at the moment. Great to hear that you enjoyed the video and hopefully found it useful 😁👍 Good tip 👍
Why does it look like the video has been chopped in two to be edited and when the dial sticks the needle is blurred? There are also 2 needles in one frame at one point in the intro. I wonder if that was done to just demonstrate the problem?
Sorry for the delay in responding, life has been busy at the moment. Great to hear that you enjoyed the video and hopefully found it useful 😁👍 LOL this was a bit of video editing on my part as all the filming was done on the new speedometer and I was trying to re-create what was happening with the faulty speedometer. Well spotted 🤣👍
It baffles me why so many people seem happy to give up their rights under consumer law just because they do their own servicing. RE provide their customers with a tool kit and even do instructional videos on how to perform some of your own maintenance. Also the speedo fault is a known fault with some of the Classic 350s, and it has nothing to do with who does the servicing. Anyway it's your decision.
Many thanks for your comments, you’re quite correct in what you say. Unfortunately the dealer who I purchased my bike from it’s no longer in business. The other Royal Enfield dealers in Scotland are not convenient to my location. I also have no relationship with, and have never dealt with them. For me personally, it was just too much hassle to try and get Royal Enfield to replace my speedometer. Hope you enjoyed the video 👍😁
@@tigerness5555 fair enough too, I probably wouldn't bother in those circumstances either. Just as long as you know your rights hey. I'd just heard a couple of other Royal Enfield UA-camrs say similar things and I found it a little worrying that the dealers were pulling the wool over their eyes 🤨 As long as you know your rights, that's what counts 🙂 Really enjoy your videos, thanks 👍😊
Sorry for the delay in responding, life has been busy at the moment. Great to hear that you enjoyed the video and hopefully found it useful 😁👍 Definitely, my bike is not brand-new again 🤣
Enfield have had this problem for ages and don't give a toss!!!. If this had been a Chinese manufacturer the company would have been crucified. Enfield can get away with anything it seems.
If it can happen. It will. I have now idea all I can say is get another one. Write a letter and hope they can reply. Lemay Nelson. Vancouver Washington. Pacific north west. U. S. A.
Hi Ian. The chrome bezel is glued to the casing. I pried mine apart to address a condensation issue. The glue, polystyrene cement or similar is fairly brittle, but a flat bladed screwdriver worked very carefully around incrementally cracked it apart unscathed. The two screws hold the electrics in place within the case. The casing actually breathes via drilled holes in the casing sides which are covered internally with gauze to prevent dust ingress. I drilled extra holes backing with gauze and then reglued the bezel on. This stopped further condensation issues. Hope the anatomy of the internals might help others.
Thanks for this.
I get a little condensation very occasionally so its not a big problem.
But should it get bad I can think of doing this.
Should it need replacement I will get a kilometre one from EBay 50 quid but still has second mph readings so not illegal
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Great to hear that you enjoyed the video and hopefully found it useful 😁👍
I would think the moisture getting in is the reason why the glues becoming unstuck and possibly the dial warping, makes sense to me moisture is the main culprit.
Thanks for that comment as I've been looking for information on how I could get into the speedometer to do a bit of rebranding shall we say.
Hi, I had the same problem last week so I went to the dealer who told me the warranty process (long and drawn out), he then suggested that I disconnect the Speedo clean the connection then reconnect it and see if that cures it and hey presto it did! So fingers crossed it stays that way. At one stage my Speedo was telling me I was travelling at 100 mph 🤣. Since cleaning the connection I’ve had no problems . Thanks for the info, ingenious fix 👍
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Thanks for posting. Mine has just started playing up, thought it was something related to the recent rev counter installation, so pleased its not, but will be looking for a solution as well now.
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Thanks Ian.
I did some research on a faulty - donated Speedo. I attempted to post a link to it in the Classic 350 FB group. But every time I post the link, UA-cam deleted my entire comment. But it's on the group if you look for it 👍
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Thank you. Same problem, intermittently. Usually when bike is in direct hot sun. Cleaning contacts did seem to improve things for my C350, but that doesn’t support your finding of a friction point. Thx for doing an autopsy for us, Ian.
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Same thing happened to my speedo 2 weeks, dial was warped from 60mph markings and needle jammed during start up sweep. Motorcycle was in direct sun for a couple of hours…was not particularly warm as in Scotland. Took it to nearest dealer and they advised it would be a straightforward warranty claim. That was 3 days ago. Hopefully will get a a replacement soon. First issue with 350 and happy otherwise. Very informative channel and thanks for making video on this issue !
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Hi Ian, very interesting. I'm on my third Classic and the Speedometers on the first two were replaced. I spoke to Royal Enfield on this issue and they said the problem was related to the glass distorting and so trapping the pivot point of the needle, particularly when there is direct sunlight onto the glass. They told me the Speedos were manufactured in China and that a modified Speedo was in production to cure the problem - that was back in 2022. I'm now on my 3rd Classic and in 9 months of ownership it has stuck once. Seems you may have stumbled across another issue with them?🤔 Love your videos and the tinkering and fettling you do to yours, keep em coming.🙂👍
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Morning Ian.
Excellent info. Don't you just love tinkering and fixing things yourself, I know I do.
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Fascinating! My speedo needle has never stuck BUT the back plate has certainly warped. Initially it warped exactly how you described: the top, right started lifting up. Since then, it was more or less warped back down, not at all perfectly though. It's better than it was but definitely not as good as its original condition. Also, the central black disc of the needle looks mottled and pockmarked. It's all very strange but, again, the needle has always worked as per usual. The only explanation I could come up with was that it resulted from the heat of direct sunlight (or maybe moisture). Anyway, I'm so glad you posted this video! 🤓
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Morning Ian. This is quite timely, as I will be doing a long term review on mine soon, also talking about the speedo 🙄. I found mine went wonky, in bright/hot sunshine last August. Put a warranty claim in, still waiting for the replacement. I could have had a like for like replacement, but didn’t see the point, as I had heard a rumour that RE had discovered what the fault was, and were supposed to be coming up with a new speedo with different back plate. In the meantime, while the weather isn’t hot, the speedo behaves, but I have bought a gps bicycle speedo, which is surprisingly accurate for use when the weather warms up.
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As my new speedometer has a slightly different part number, I’m hoping that it has been modified to potentially rectify this fault. Funny I mentioned fitting a bicycle speedo to another Royal Enfield owner at the weekend as a temporary fix to his speedometer issue.
Lateral thinking, love it!
Mine had the same problem at 800 miles, My local dealer got me a new one under warranty within a couple of weeks, I just had to take a photo of the serial number ( to save a visit there where they would have had to have opened ity up and got the number first, don't know why RE needed that info, but it was sorted very quickly)
Several people have commented about too much grease on the contacts, and the relays too, but from what you found, certainly looks mechanical. Thanks Ian for a really interesting video
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>I just had to take a photo of the serial number.. May I ask in which country this is? It seems that importers in in different countries decide differently.
Hi Martin
I’m in Scotland so it’s a UK mph speedometer on my bike.
Really interesting stuff ! Thanks. It's handy that you've now got a scrap speedo to experiment with. The paper clip clamps could indeed solve the issue of the backplate lifting. We shall see.
I suppose it will depend on the tension required to prevent the lifting.
There seem to be various issues with these speedos. Some, like yours, seem to have the backplate lifting and interfering with the needle calibration sweep. Others, like mine, appeared to get condensation in the connector ( possibly happens when you ride on a hot relatively humid day and the speedo then cools down ), which just needed opening, cleaning and protecting and all was good again. That fix lasted until I sold the bike, six months later, I had no further issues. And plenty of people, myself included, managed to get condensation behind the "glass" and in the LCD part.
Hopefully the new part number is an indication that RE has addressed some of the known issues with these speedos. It has taken them long enough and I dread to think what they've had to spend replacing all of those speedos under warranty !
Fingers crossed that your new one doesn't have any similar issues !
Thanks for a very well presented and informative video Ian 👍🏻
Garry
Hi Gary, great to hear that you enjoyed my video and found it helpful. Only time will tell, if the new speedometer is any better than the original one 🤣
@@tigerness5555 We can but hope ! It would be great if RE have finally got on top of this issue because it's very annoying and pretty much the only thing that causes aggro on these bikes. It is a pain for the owners when they lose their original odometer count too. Replacing speedos multiple times doesn't seem like much of a solution to me. I know of people who are on their fourth speedo. So presumably they have to add up the mileage of all four to know their total mileage so far. Brilliant ! Will RE pay for their calculator batteries too ?
Cheers Ian,
Garry
Hi. I too had the same speedo problem starting last year, “the fix” switching ignition of and on did indeed cure the problem for a while but it did return and this time permanent. I too since the first 300 service have done all my own servicing. So in I went to my RE distributer and explained my situation. The reception person was adamant I wouldn’t get it replaced because of the service schedule had not been kept up as required. I pointed out that although RE stated this and it was clearly written in their service manual I did not sign this and also my consumer rights bypassed this clause. However the service manager heard this discussion and came across and listened to what I had to say I also added it was not a “one off” and that this was a common problem his response was “we are here to do the best for our customers first and foremost “leave it with me” 2 weeks later I received a call to go and get my new speedo fitted. RE are well aware this is a problem and if you can get your garage to back you up they can’t or won’t refuse to replace it. I think this batch should be recalled as they have not brought out an updated speedo. The problem I’m told was the glue was coming off the backing allowing it to ripple this has been addressed. Hope this helps.
Ps that should have read “RE Have brought out a new speedo”
Great to hear that you had a satisfactory outcome to your issue, unfortunately the dealer I bought my bike from, is no longer in business. I also have never had any dealings with any of the other Royal Enfield dealers in Scotland.
For me, it was much simpler just to replace the speedo, as explained in the video. Hope you enjoyed the video and found it helpful.
Hi Ian, it’s a pity they are sealed & not replaceable but I’m commenting as you might be interested in replacing the ones on your Bonnie.
I have just purchased & fitted replacement dial faces on my Speed Twin from Arton Works in Italy & I think they are a big improvement over the OE ones, I think it is something you might be interested in.
Best regards
Les.
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Interesting, but I’m quite happy with the instrument on my phone thanks 👍
Love the thought process you have to have a go.😊
Real pity re the glass shattering 😢
I guess now you can actually attempt to get into the insides of it.
Can the mileage be transferred across?
Best wishes😊
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No the mileage cannot be transferred to the new speedo, unfortunately.
I have had my speedo changed but not for sticking, mine had condensation in the lower window. Unfortunately the new one also suffers from the same issue. I was thinking about taking it off and try spilt it but clearly will not do that now. Nice info, cheers.
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I’d love to know if you can find a way to open the speedometer without damaging it 🤣 Perhaps a Dremel might work.
@@tigerness5555 I ain't going to try unless I have a another unit to replace it but maybe heat may loosen the glue. The only problem with leaving the condensation is it may affect the electrics but will cross that bridge if it ever surfaces.
Brilliant! Great solve when the warranty solution runs out.
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That was interesting as I had the same problem on my bike and it was replaced under warranty.
Assuming it heading for the bin having “destroyed” the speedo, I would have kept at the casing in order to determine what actually kept it firmly sealed i.e hidden screws/glue etc etc. 👍
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Hey TN, you could spay/coat the paper clips with a flat black paint to hide the clip a little/wee better. 😜👍 Thanks for the heads up.
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I think Im going to call you Einstein from now on.
Well done for coming up with a fix.👍
I self serviced my bike and the dealer was fully aware of that.
My speedo packed in and I thought, Ill go in and ask the question.
Do you know he had Speedos in stock and gave it to me despite me self servicing.
Maybe it depends on the dealer but I was surprised he had the speedo "
on the shelf".
If that isnt an indication that there is clearly a problem with them then I dont know what is!
All the best mate.
Ride safe👍
Hi Shottos, great to hear that you enjoyed my video on how to destroy a speedometer 🤣
Unfortunately for me, the dealer who I purchased my Enfield from is no longer in business, and as I haven’t had any dealings with any of the other ones in Scotland I don’t think I would have been as fortunate as you.
By the way, I also enjoy watching your UA-cam channel 👍😁
Sounds like the factory needs to stick the back plate down better or fix down a different way? I’ve just had my classic 350 in the halcyon green , I’m very pleased but my first ride was very scary as I hadn’t rode for over 40 years, I did 24 miles and started to feel better but had trouble getting my boot under the gear selector so I think I’m going to buy a heal and toe . But I will be glad when I’ve got used to it a bit better. Then I’m going to go on a police course as I think I need it . But it’s lovely to have a bit of sunshine at last , your very good at engineering things and solving problems, I no good at that so really enjoy watching your videos thankyou 👍🏍️
I think we lift the shifter one click. Easily done, but there’s a trick you’ll find on line. Need to loosen a bolt and press left peg down to create enough clearance to rotate the shifter up.
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I hated the standard gearlever, I’ve tried moving it to different positions on the shaft splines and this helped slightly. The heel and toe gearlever is brilliant in my opinion and is the one that was specifically designed for this bike. The gearlever that comes as standard is only fitted because European markets don’t like heel and toe gearlevers.
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Merci, toujours aussi attentionné et pédagogue, Bravo !
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Very clever, I may try this...I'm on number 2. Same issue as yours. Thank you.
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I am having an intermittent issue with my speedometer but not quite the same as yours. I bought my 2023 Red/Chrome Classic 350 in February 2024. Within the first 100 miles, I noticed the speedometer sticking. When I would stop, it only returned to 20 mph or so. Following that as I was riding it indicated 20 mph higher than my actual speed. After that day in March, it was fine. It didn't repeat the sticking until I was coming home this past Sunday from a 50 mile ride. About a mile from home, it stuck on 40 mph. I reached 320 miles, so it was time to do the 300 mile service - changing the oil and filter and set the valve tappet clearances. After turning the ignition on and off a couple of times, the needle returned to zero and seems to do a full sweep without any problem multiple times. There is a faint noise as the needle sweeps back and forth but it's the same throughout the full sweep. There is no sign of the needle even getting close to the numerical face of the speedo. Since I just did the 300 mile service myself, I expect I might have an issue with the warranty at the dealer, which is 30 miles away. I know Stewart Fillingham had a speedo issue and couldn't ride his classic for a couple of months So, I ordered a tachometer from Hitchcocks so I would be able to estimate my speed if this continues to happen. Since my bike was manufactured in the spring of 2023, I had hoped they had the speedo issue corrected. Keeping my fingers crossed at this time. Very moderate weather here in California and I keep the bike garaged.
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Stuart Fillingham also claims, that RE are not asking for a complete service record and the importer was helpful. This is definetely not the case here in Germany. The dealer I bought the 350 from has closed the doors for good and the importer just tells me to bugger of.
Hi Ian,
Very interesting, I wonder if anyone has got into the unit?
I would have to, just like you.
But, can you cut the bezel off with a Dremel?
At that point you should be into the cavity.?
Of course we dont know if it can be disassembled from here.
Plastic glues are plentyful for reassembly / sealing.
Is there a chap out there with a 3D printer ? who could print a new body that is servicable?
Yes, there must be!
Come on lets set up a challenge ! There must be a lot of duff speedos on garage shelves world wide.?
Does the Meteor clock suffer with the same problem ?
A note to the manufacturer:
Just a small change to the injection die to incorporate some hold down lugs to the chromed speedo facia would immediately fix this problem.
Or maybe your spares business would suffer too much???.
Regards
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I had the exact same problem as yourself, the speedo face lifted in exactly the same place. The needle always came to rest at 60mph when stationary. The bike is at the dealership awaiting the fitment of a new speedometer under warranty. It is only 9 months old and has covered just 800 miles so still running in.
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I had condensation inside the lower digital panel from delivery, before any cleaning or rain. Counter-intuitively, this was mostly evident in warmer weather after the bike had run for a while. This seems to have disappeared after a year, and one suggestion was that tape inside the headlamp nacelle contacts should have been removed by the dealer, keeping moisture inside the speedo unit. I wonder if Royal Enfield make the unit or its provided by a sub-contactor, as repeated failures are not reflected elsewhere in the bike's construction.
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I notice some owners report long delays in warranty claims. My 350 Meteor Nova started misting the led screen after a few miles running. I reported this to my dealer (GS Motorcycles). They asked for a photo of the misting and when the bike went in for its first service the complete speedo was replaced. So I for one have had great service under warranty.
It sounds like you have a very good dealer there, that’s very rare these days. Hope you enjoyed my video 👍
😂well done Ian, you just got to admire a bit of lateral thinking 😂 👍
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The face of the speedo and trim ring are pressure fitted. 😂 Great fix though👍
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I liked your accent a lot... So soothing to listen.. where are you from
Thanks for the compliment, I’m from Central Scotland 🏴👍😁
Well folks my new himalayan is doing the misting up as my 2019 model did...and warranty in now for new clocks because mode button doznt work ....ps this is not enfields alone !!!! my 1050 xt vstrom misted its lcd unit and back in 2007 my moto guzzi breva lcd misted to .thankfully my old tech instruments on my 2011 vstrom 650 no such problem.😊...brilliant fix sir 👍👍
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Hi Ian. Been pondering your speed problem all week. Not sure why, as I have a Meteor and a Hunter.
If you made a wire tool similar to the one you made that's sole purpose would be to push the raised dial down. Then drill 2 holes next to each other. Insert the tool, lower the dial and put a little blob of hot glue in the second hole. When dry, remove the tool and seal the 1st hole with hot glue. Repeat process several times so the dial is blocked down and that should be a permanent cure.
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Hi Ian, i bought a 2022 classic last year, the gentleman i bought it off give me a cover made of polyurethane which fitted snuggly over the the speedometer, he told me to fit every time i washed the bike, im not sure thats its purpose im more inclined to think its to stop direct sunlight shining on it as its opaque in colour rather than clear but you can still read your speed but its not as distinct.
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Mine did that once, not done it again as of yet
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It seems direct sunlight and heat affects the backplate warping. I wonder if applying some window solar tint to the speedo glass would rectify the problem?
That might work definitely worth a try, nothing to lose really.
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For a bike with not too much tech on it, I personally think there is still too much, never liked the sweeping clocks just another thing to go wrong, at least when the speedo cable on older bikes snaps it was a 12 quid fix and off you went!, but times change I suppose 😢
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I Agree with you. I have more fun riding (and servicing) the 35 year old Honda Clubman than the RE.
You are still under warranty take it back, it's not relevant to anything else you have done?
But as usual, you have come up with an ingenious way to repair it,
First class Sir 👍
Cheers
Paul Foster
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Hi Ian,
Sorry to bleat on about this.
Having visited India many times, I can almost certainly say that somebody there will be repairing these speedos.
ALMOST EVERYTHING is recycled, until theres nothing left that could be useful to somebody.
I've seen piles of light bulbs being recycled for the steel fitment, glass and filaments _ incredible to us in our world of waste.
You have to take your hat off to their inginuity and skill.
If theres somebody in India reading this, please post a return message to confirm a repair location
Regards Mike N
Yes there are places in India who can fix/refurbish any speedometers.. sure it is cheaper than buying a new one. But international postage alone will cost many times the of cost of repairs😂 is it really worth it? unless you are talking about a speedo from a old bike where you cant actually get a new one!
But if they didn’t make such shitty speedos they wouldn’t need repairing or recycling.
@@jimmyflawless True.
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Hi all. I too, had this issue, on the first day I bought the bike (was hot). And a few times after. Did the cleaning of the contacts and till then, only happend once or twice by very hot weather. Just 2-3 reset and all was fine again. Finger crossed, hope it stay so.
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The contacts on my speedometer were very clean. There was no sign of any grease anywhere.
@@tigerness5555 No problem. My contacts were looking clean too. But the improvement is undoubtable.That said, I perhaps can have the issue you had.
Hi Ian, may I suggest thinking about some serious surgery to get inside the case then you will see what the real problem is and get some insight on how it has been made very difficult to open. And follow up with a 3D printed replacement case with an easy to get into design. Are there any "legal" traps with not having the real milage showing on the speedometer on the bike? The little bent paperclip idea is pure genius - fast, low cost and it does the job needed. 👍
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3 month wait under warranty at my local dealer…..seems to be a common problem but RE do eventually fix….
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Its a common issue, Mine started playing-up when I got caught in a down-pour, now the needle got stuck and the digital read-out has disappeared. I telephoned my local Royal Enfield dealer and they have ordered a replacement. How long that's going to take ? and the weather is hotting-up and I have no bike.
As a temporary fix until the replacement comes you could use sat nav to give your speed.
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As a temporary fix, you could try fitting a bicycle speedometer to your bike they are remarkably accurate 👍
I think when we leave the bike on sun for a long time , the glue under the backplate loses it's stickiness..that could be the reason for the backplate to come forward
That’s definitely a possibility, but in my case my bike was kept it in the garage where it was cool and it still happened 🤣
Hi TN , i cracked my glass also trying same ? got a new one under warranty took weeks to come , wish me luck cheers
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If you want to avoid that from happening, you install a "monsoon" speedometer cover. Costs almost nothing on ebay.
Thanks for the info, not sure it would have made any difference in my situation though.
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Why did the face lift is it a problem with the adhesive ? Maybe try using superglue with a fine tube applicator through the hole and holding for few seconds ?
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They put to much contact grease in the speedo connection. Mine done this from brand new. Clean a lot of the grease out of the connection and it will work fine. My backing was all wavy and kept catching then the new one would go to full speed and get stuck all over the place. I then cleaned the connection and it is fine. Mine only has 1400 klms on it.
The speedo connection on both my original and new one did not have any grease at all, both were perfect clean. The backing plate distortion was my problem.
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I am also suffering with this fault. Secon time changin tacchimetro
A very common fault unfortunately.
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There seems to be a number of faults with these speedos. Mine only read daft speeds when the weather was hot and had to be switched on and off until it read 0. It was replaced under warranty but I'd much prefer a unit I know to be reliable, even an after market one.
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is the speedo issue just with the classic or does it also happen on the other 350 models?
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It seems only to affect the classic 350, I’ve not heard of any other issues with other models.
Royal Enfield standard 500 good 👍👍👍👍👍😊.
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Very interesting. The speedo problems I have heard about have been due to condensation/water leaks or too much thick grease on the speedo electrical connector. The Enfields are great bikes but these are the sort of issues they really need to sort. Why they have gone with such a flimsy and poorly secured backing plate is beyond me. Any competent engineer should have spotted the potential for your issue to occur.
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I am also waiting for a solution to the speedometer problem, it seems like an endemic evil
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My Classic 350 was on its fourth speedometer when I sold it. This seems to only be a problem with MPH speedometers, not the KPH ones. What I found on my original speedometer was the face would bulge up and jam the needle when it got hot. I’ve heard a rumor that the latest version doesn’t have this problem. No evidence of this though.
Hopefully, I have the latest version and mine will be okay from now on, fingers crossed 🤣🤞
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My RE350 Classic with a KPH speedo has similar problems. I doubt that the problem is purely mechanical though, as the speed reading goes up to 160km/h on a hot day.
@@martinmuller2809 the heat causes the face of the gauge to bulge. That causes the needle to stick during its initial sweep. Wherever it sticks becomes its new starting point, adding whatever number that is to the speed you are traveling. I don’t doubt that a few KPH speedos have this problem but it is extremely rare, as opposed to MPH speedos where it is extremely common.
6:17 so bottom line here is the 'built to a price' issue is certainly apparent on the clock unit, but RE should take ownership of the problem and with more speed than they are given it's been a known problem for a couple of years now 🤷🏻♂️
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If you paint the tips of the clips black then they would be invisible inside the speedometer
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Good tip 👍
Why does it look like the video has been chopped in two to be edited and when the dial sticks the needle is blurred? There are also 2 needles in one frame at one point in the intro. I wonder if that was done to just demonstrate the problem?
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LOL this was a bit of video editing on my part as all the filming was done on the new speedometer and I was trying to re-create what was happening with the faulty speedometer. Well spotted 🤣👍
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paint the wire clips black, further investigation to the inside would be good. Shame about the glass.👌
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@@tigerness5555 I think i will stick with my 60 year old RE 250.
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It baffles me why so many people seem happy to give up their rights under consumer law just because they do their own servicing. RE provide their customers with a tool kit and even do instructional videos on how to perform some of your own maintenance. Also the speedo fault is a known fault with some of the Classic 350s, and it has nothing to do with who does the servicing. Anyway it's your decision.
Many thanks for your comments, you’re quite correct in what you say. Unfortunately the dealer who I purchased my bike from it’s no longer in business. The other Royal Enfield dealers in Scotland are not convenient to my location. I also have no relationship with, and have never dealt with them.
For me personally, it was just too much hassle to try and get Royal Enfield to replace my speedometer.
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@@tigerness5555 fair enough too, I probably wouldn't bother in those circumstances either. Just as long as you know your rights hey. I'd just heard a couple of other Royal Enfield UA-camrs say similar things and I found it a little worrying that the dealers were pulling the wool over their eyes 🤨 As long as you know your rights, that's what counts 🙂 Really enjoy your videos, thanks 👍😊
Does this mean you have in a way reduced the mileage on the bike? New hack😂
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Definitely, my bike is not brand-new again 🤣
Enfield have had this problem for ages and don't give a toss!!!. If this had been a Chinese manufacturer the company would have been crucified. Enfield can get away with anything it seems.
They fixed mine under warranty no problem at all
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If it can happen. It will. I have now idea all I can say is get another one. Write a letter and hope they can reply. Lemay Nelson. Vancouver Washington. Pacific north west. U. S. A.
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