The total brake failure that my son experienced while coming off the slip road at Junction 10 on the M23 motorway was terrifying and he (and his apprentice) were fortunate not to have been involved in a major accident at this busy junction. The cause of the failure is well documented - the use of the wet belt inside the EcoBoost engine causes delamination over time. Debris from it eventually clogs the pick up pipe and vacuum pump which then fails causing the brake pedal to go hard. The brake pedal simply cannot be depressed to slow the vehicle no matter how hard you try. He is self-employed and relies on his Ford Transit Custom van everyday. It is currently at a Hendy Ford garage awaiting a goodwill gesture from Ford - as it is a few months out of warranty - yet the wet belt was not due to be changed for another 30,000 miles at the earliest.The current estimated cost of the repairs are £1,800! In addition, the failure of the wet belt may have caused damage to the turbo and the cost to replace it would be £1,000 according to Hendy. He has had the vehicle regularly serviced - using the specified oil. Ford have a duty to undertake the repairs - and cover any additional damages resulting from the delamination of the wet belt but they are digging their heels in - offering a fraction of the repair cost.
I always change intermediate shaft bolt with its own torque sequence, these are known to break if not changed, or torqued wrong, I also fit a new crank bolt which has a crazy torque sequence which equates to about 6 stages and a total of about 430nm off top of my head. Also you can jack the engine where the gearbox stabilizer meets the box, allowing you to remove sump and fit the oil pump belt at the same time. Just a heads up.
Ah nice one good tips thank you! I have jacked some engines like that to remove sump when doing the timing belt/chain, but this way was suggested to me and I just stuck with it The intermediate shaft and re using crank bolt hasn’t caused me any issues….yet. Surprising I didn’t get sent a crank pulley bolt when ordering from fords…..
I’ve got this engine in a focus wen do you recommend I change the timing belt I’m coming up to 61k miles now had oil changed every 10 k for last 20k miles before that was the 18k what ford recommended this was before I knew it had a wetbelt Also it’s a 19 plate April 2019 I bought it
If it’s a 2019 focus, the chances are it has the 3 cylinder 1 litre eco boost engine in it, not this 2 litre eco blue engine. I think the timing belt interval for both engines is around 140k miles but I would advise changing the belts and checking/cleaning out the oil pump strainer at 80k. That’s my opinion though. I looked at a 2013 fiesta eco boost engine the other day and 92k miles the oil pressure warning light has come on and it has no oil pressure. The pump is completely blocked. The timing belt may not have snapped, but it’s shed enough material to block the pump. Unfortunately the owner has been driving round with the light on and too much damage has been done internally to justify the cost of repair.
Should have changed the oil a lot more often than every 10k. I would recommend 5k intervals. Reason being the dirty oil contaminates the belt, causing it to fall apart and break over time. Frequent oil changes can help extend the life of the belt.
I took the sump off, cleaned it out, and cleaned the oil pump. Maybe I didn’t show that boot in the video as clearly as I could have. The breathers were clear. I also missed that out I’m afraid.
I did 5:16 - it’s not very clear. This isn’t an instructional video, it’s just a bit of an experiment for me. How’s your new unit by the way? All working out ok I hope! 👍🏼
Steadily with no problems 4-5 hours If you have done a few and it all goes well 2.5-3 hours maybe Rear wheel drive I haven’t done yet - you need to remove engine mounts and crossmember which means supporting engine somehow. If you don’t have air con, it’s probably easier to remove the whole front for a nice amount of access.
How did you get on with the RWD? I did one recently and although with the front off, access was easier, I found the job harder! Crank pulley bolt was incredibly tight to remove without flywheel holding tool! Took 3 of us to get the bolt out in the end!
@@fredrich99yeh I haven’t had the pleasure of another rwd lately, hopefully soon. Yes they are good money although I didn’t charge lots for the last one I did, although the total job was a large amount, but that was a full service also, plus some suspension works, amongst other things with the timing belt.
I think I charged around 5-6 hours labour for this job, but I’m not really doing the videos to generate work. I’m south east in Essex. But appreciate the ask! 👍🏼
Becsuse the water pump isn’t driven by the timing belt, and can be accessed at any time A lot of timing belts drive the water pump and so if the water pump fails if can cause the belt to fail or come off. - this engine isn’t like that 👍🏼
You are right, however, I doubt very much that the crank bolt will fail, and seeing as the pulley is an interference fit, I don’t suppose that will be going anywhere any time soon. I’m certainly not the best mechanic in the world, and don’t make myself out to be. But I have a few years experience behind me, and I’m not too worried about the crank bolt. Next time however, I will be sure to use a new replacement 👍🏼
Yeh it does seem ridiculous the idea of putting something that was made using oil, into an environment that is full of oil! I think it’s done for efficiency, as there is supposedly less drag/resistance using this wet belt instead of a chain system?! 🤷♂️
@@ttatimbo5830 in all respect to you, i worked for ford for 26 years mainly machining crankshafts, 3,4,6 and 8 cylinder and the changes over time i have seen are incredible to save a few pence per item, if it costs shall we say 1 pound for a belt but 10 pound for a chain they will take the 1 pound belt even though its inferior, as say 10 million transits sold over time times a 9 pound saving over a far more robust chain is 90million pounds, and this is all they look at, great video by the way, oh and the ransit belt is so fragile looking compared to say a vw which is far chunky and stronger looking
@@deanbaker6456 oh right! Yes that is a massive saving! I didn’t look at it like that, but then I didn’t realise that it would have been cheaper to manufacture things like that. As for you working for Ford - that’s interesting! Where abouts did you work? Was it Dagenham or somewhere else? 👍🏼
@@ttatimbo5830 Bridgend, south wales fella, its closed now, most of my time there was machining v8 crankshafts for jaguar engines , but i have worked on cams, rods, blocks and heads
The total brake failure that my son experienced while coming off the slip road at Junction 10 on the M23 motorway was terrifying and he (and his apprentice) were fortunate not to have been involved in a major accident at this busy junction.
The cause of the failure is well documented - the use of the wet belt inside the EcoBoost engine causes delamination over time. Debris from it eventually clogs the pick up pipe and vacuum pump which then fails causing the brake pedal to go hard.
The brake pedal simply cannot be depressed to slow the vehicle no matter how hard you try.
He is self-employed and relies on his Ford Transit Custom van everyday. It is currently at a Hendy Ford garage awaiting a goodwill gesture from Ford - as it is a few months out of warranty - yet the wet belt was not due to be changed for another 30,000 miles at the earliest.The current estimated cost of the repairs are £1,800! In addition, the failure of the wet belt may have caused damage to the turbo and the cost to replace it would be £1,000 according to Hendy. He has had the vehicle regularly serviced - using the specified oil.
Ford have a duty to undertake the repairs - and cover any additional damages resulting from the delamination of the wet belt but they are digging their heels in - offering a fraction of the repair cost.
That’s shocking!
Sorry to hear that - hope you get a resolution soon!
I always change intermediate shaft bolt with its own torque sequence, these are known to break if not changed, or torqued wrong, I also fit a new crank bolt which has a crazy torque sequence which equates to about 6 stages and a total of about 430nm off top of my head. Also you can jack the engine where the gearbox stabilizer meets the box, allowing you to remove sump and fit the oil pump belt at the same time. Just a heads up.
Ah nice one good tips thank you!
I have jacked some engines like that to remove sump when doing the timing belt/chain, but this way was suggested to me and I just stuck with it
The intermediate shaft and re using crank bolt hasn’t caused me any issues….yet.
Surprising I didn’t get sent a crank pulley bolt when ordering from fords…..
Less talked much do, I love it.
Thank you!
It’s only because I’m camera shy! 😂
I’ve got this engine in a focus wen do you recommend I change the timing belt I’m coming up to 61k miles now had oil changed every 10 k for last 20k miles before that was the 18k what ford recommended this was before I knew it had a wetbelt
Also it’s a 19 plate April 2019 I bought it
If it’s a 2019 focus, the chances are it has the 3 cylinder 1 litre eco boost engine in it, not this 2 litre eco blue engine.
I think the timing belt interval for both engines is around 140k miles but I would advise changing the belts and checking/cleaning out the oil pump strainer at 80k. That’s my opinion though.
I looked at a 2013 fiesta eco boost engine the other day and 92k miles the oil pressure warning light has come on and it has no oil pressure. The pump is completely blocked. The timing belt may not have snapped, but it’s shed enough material to block the pump. Unfortunately the owner has been driving round with the light on and too much damage has been done internally to justify the cost of repair.
Should have changed the oil a lot more often than every 10k. I would recommend 5k intervals. Reason being the dirty oil contaminates the belt, causing it to fall apart and break over time. Frequent oil changes can help extend the life of the belt.
@@LA_Commander I agree -
Early oil and filter changes with correct spec oil is the most you can do to try and maintain the belts
or should have put the belt outside which is way much clever
What about clean out sump & breathers ?
I took the sump off, cleaned it out, and cleaned the oil pump.
Maybe I didn’t show that boot in the video as clearly as I could have.
The breathers were clear. I also missed that out I’m afraid.
He did that. Watch the video again
Why did you not change the oil pump belt??
I did 5:16 - it’s not very clear.
This isn’t an instructional video, it’s just a bit of an experiment for me.
How’s your new unit by the way? All working out ok I hope! 👍🏼
Just about to do a rwd transit must be a little bit easier . Roughly how long
Steadily with no problems 4-5 hours
If you have done a few and it all goes well 2.5-3 hours maybe
Rear wheel drive I haven’t done yet - you need to remove engine mounts and crossmember which means supporting engine somehow.
If you don’t have air con, it’s probably easier to remove the whole front for a nice amount of access.
How did you get on with the RWD?
I did one recently and although with the front off, access was easier, I found the job harder!
Crank pulley bolt was incredibly tight to remove without flywheel holding tool!
Took 3 of us to get the bolt out in the end!
Little harder rwd as the cross member has to be dropped Must prefer fwd . Doing another rwd this week good money
@@fredrich99yeh I haven’t had the pleasure of another rwd lately, hopefully soon. Yes they are good money although I didn’t charge lots for the last one I did, although the total job was a large amount, but that was a full service also, plus some suspension works, amongst other things with the timing belt.
how long did you work on it?
Can’t remember exactly but around 6-8 hours ish book time - I think it took me about 5-6 hours maybe
thanks for the info. keep up the good work 😀
@@ThomBruisschaart no problem
Thanks for the compliments
Ford does recommend using a new crank pulley bolt when doing this job. At least that's what the Ford dealer showed me when i had my belt changed
Yeh they probably recommend it but it’s not essential.
@ttatimbo5830 maybe not, but for a $7 part why cheap out
@@LA_Commander I will certainly be replacing it on the next one 👍🏼
@@ttatimbo5830 Sounds great brother. See you in 150,000 miles!
@@LA_Commander well, hopefully they last that long! But I doubt it! 😢😂
Helo mate, I have got the same 2017 model deisel Automatic Reg YB67HWA, how much labour will u charge for the same job and where are u located.
I think I charged around 5-6 hours labour for this job, but I’m not really doing the videos to generate work.
I’m south east in Essex. But appreciate the ask! 👍🏼
Hi, can you plz give me your contact number to arrange the timing belt change for Ford tourneo custom 2017, reg YB67HWA
Bonjour combien D'heure de travail en tous ?
Around 5-6 hours I think - it can be done quicker if you have no problems and are used to doing the same job 👍🏼
@@ttatimbo5830 Merci
Man that's a really badly designed engine. Well done, great video
Thank you! It’s just a bit of fun/experiment really, not a full on guide 👍🏼
@@ttatimbo5830 You did great but, why make it so difficult to get to the belts? They're service items
@@zambotv8150 if you think these are bad, look up the 1.0 litre ecoboost engines!! 10-12 hours job!!
@@ttatimbo5830 My mate has a breakers yard, he's making a FORTUNE from those ecoboost engines, they're failing all over the shop
Waterpump why you not changing??
Becsuse the water pump isn’t driven by the timing belt, and can be accessed at any time
A lot of timing belts drive the water pump and so if the water pump fails if can cause the belt to fail or come off. - this engine isn’t like that
👍🏼
Hi.
What torque for tensioner ?
I think it was 25nm but don’t quote me
Ok.
I thought the same.
Thanks
Charge an hour labour only took 11 mins 😂.
Lmao Stu!! 😂😂
Think I charged 5 hours on this can’t rmemeber
What is your hourly rate?
Depends, but usually around £50 plus vat
All that work to just reuse the same crank bolt 😢
You are right, however, I doubt very much that the crank bolt will fail, and seeing as the pulley is an interference fit, I don’t suppose that will be going anywhere any time soon.
I’m certainly not the best mechanic in the world, and don’t make myself out to be. But I have a few years experience behind me, and I’m not too worried about the crank bolt.
Next time however, I will be sure to use a new replacement 👍🏼
what a ridiculous design --i can't think of a single advantage except swelling the coffers of the service department.
what a rubbish backward step, all down to cost chain all day
Yeh it does seem ridiculous the idea of putting something that was made using oil, into an environment that is full of oil!
I think it’s done for efficiency, as there is supposedly less drag/resistance using this wet belt instead of a chain system?! 🤷♂️
@@ttatimbo5830 in all respect to you, i worked for ford for 26 years mainly machining crankshafts, 3,4,6 and 8 cylinder and the changes over time i have seen are incredible to save a few pence per item, if it costs shall we say 1 pound for a belt but 10 pound for a chain they will take the 1 pound belt even though its inferior, as say 10 million transits sold over time times a 9 pound saving over a far more robust chain is 90million pounds, and this is all they look at, great video by the way, oh and the ransit belt is so fragile looking compared to say a vw which is far chunky and stronger looking
@@deanbaker6456 oh right! Yes that is a massive saving! I didn’t look at it like that, but then I didn’t realise that it would have been cheaper to manufacture things like that.
As for you working for Ford - that’s interesting! Where abouts did you work? Was it Dagenham or somewhere else?
👍🏼
@@ttatimbo5830 Bridgend, south wales fella, its closed now, most of my time there was machining v8 crankshafts for jaguar engines , but i have worked on cams, rods, blocks and heads
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