Best Canteen - Which one should you get?!
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- Best Canteen - Which one should you get?!
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i just love your videos you are teaching people how to survive outdoors and what is the best stuff to have on you while surviving outdoors keep up the great videos
Survival Lilly I love the titanium canteen!
Thanks Lily for the video. I would also choose the Keith.
For bottle cleaning try seasalt (the coarce stuff) and 4-6 drops hand dishwashing liquid and tiny bit of water (roughly same volume of salt), shake vigorously the salt gently scrubs inside and washes out crud easy.
Survival Lilly love you lilly
Nalgene for me every time . Great video
Hey big fan, I agree the Rothco stuff is pretty cheap
I actually buy my nalgene bottle thanks to you.
Cheers from Mexico.
Nice and light waight but id rather be able to boil watter so stanless or titanium is king
@@justacentrist4147 nalgene makes a steel bottle
@Manletopia That is good to know. But not really what the coment was about
I used that green plastic canteen for 20 years while in the Army. As you said, nothing wrong with it. However, while it is good, during the heat of the day, the water does tend to heat up very easily and can tend to smell like plastic. Taste just like hot water though. lol Good video. Very well covered.
David Beasley the water will heat up in anyone that you have in the environments that we operated in
I have that one, I like it alot lol
I think it was the NBC valve that made the water taste funny
Yugo 90s plastic bottles usualy got washed with a bit of salt in the clean water before filling it... could work...
@@ianbyers1250 why you think that?
Thanks Lilly.I chose both of the styles you discussed in an earlier video. The round stainless and the original style.The Pathfinder school makes a very nice kit that includes a multituse stove that can use wood or hexamine, or acholhol for flame. The kit has room for a couple days of food, coffee or tea. I have in included a Ferro rod, TP, and attached a good survival knifey to each.If that is all one could grab to "run" to the hills, it would be a start...as long as one was at least dressed.Thank you for your honest reviews and entertaining, informative videos.
my carry is a 2 litre us military canteen. if you buy metal carriers, make sure it's single walled, non insulated. that material usually melts if you put it on a heat source.
My cousin much older than me, brought back a metal canteen and cup from US NAVY when I was 9 years old. Have had that set for 60 years. Still use it and is part of emergency car kit. GREAT VID LILLY, thk you!
Efferdent is good for cleaning canteens periodically.
I wouldn't have thought of that. Do you think it might react with the metal in any negative way?
I do not think it would as long as you rinse it good after cleaning.
You have two U.S. Army canteen cups: the one you identified as such with the butterfly handles, and the one with the L-shaped handle. I have used the plastic U.S. Army canteen, the first one you mentioned, for 34 years, as well as the Nalgene (about 6 of the latter, which I carried in NOLS). Something you do not mention is the advantage of a small mouth: you can close your lips over it, allowing you to swig while still moving. We would never carry just one canteen, however, but two, with one canteen cup. There is a separate NBC cap, however, which allows drinking while wearing a mask. I have have probably half a dozen Nalgenes, and while the wide mouth is very occasionally an advantage, I found it harder to drink on the move. It was a wash at best. I found the conformal shape of the canteen better than the Nalgene, and we had better carrying pounches which were fleece-lined, supporting both evaporative cooling and a LITTLE insulation against freezing. The pouches had a pocket for purification tablets, as well.
I recommend the full British Crusader set, comes with a stove, metal cook tin, cup, metal lid and the whole lot fits perfectly in the back pocket of a bergen with space for lots of hexamine; don't get a copy though, only the genuine ones as the copies are crap.
--Aaaannnd the Crusader canteen is plastic.
@@duncanidaho2097 there is a crusader plastic cup and a metal cup that go around the bottle but ok lol
Thanks for the video Lilly! This really helped because I actually have been looking for a new canteen. :D Thank you!
Right on time. Backpacking next Sunday to the german Eifel national parc for four days. Still need a waterbottle or canteen.
I like the Swiss military cook set, It comes with an aluminum bottle cup and wood burning stove.
Thanks Lily 💕I love each of your videos that I’ve viewed so far! Thanks for sharing your expertise 🦔🐿🏕
The US gi issue canteen cup is 316 surgical grade steel also most newer gear is made from materials used by the Army due to the extensive research in use and durability. I have been using my canteen's and cup since 1982! Yes they are indestructible! The only issue in all these years is the plastic tab that holds the cap wore out. I drilled two small holes in the two pieces and used two zip strips. Five years ago. Still holding strong! Love your videos. Not many ladies are at your level or men for that matter! You rock Lilly!
Very nice presentation I have just a few points
1. Regular cleaning (not the oily residue you described) use denture cleaning tabs 2/canteen & 3/water bladder
for bladders you need a camelbak or similar field cleaning kit
2. Canteen cup stoves (stainless steel) used with alcohol stove, heat tabs, or with coals in the fire pit (makes your canteen into a cook system)
3. Should carry at least 4 lt in canteens and or bladder combinations & 2 Canteen cups
for Hydration on the move Bladder or 2 canteens on the outside of your pack 2 canteens inside pack for meal prep (bladders are a pain in the A** when it comes to meal prep)
with 2 canteens you can refill an empty canteen and add puri tabs and they work while you carry on with your trek
4. single wall metal canteens are best for winter treking as they can be put in the fire to melt frozen water (remember to remove plastic lids first)
A tip on the plastic US-style canteen: Get a Vietnam War era surplus canteen cup. They're relatively inexpensive, and made of stainless steel instead of aluminum. They also have a slightly better handle which can 'lock' in place when in use (and when not in use).
I have both a plastic US-style canteen (actually it's GI issue) and a steel Nalgene bottle (the large one). I use them for different purposes depending on what I'm up to. The plastic canteen was my first, and I've had it the longest. I had a cheap 2-quart plastic (square) canteen, that I believe was made by some less-reputable maker. It was almost as good, but it had imperfections in the seams that did not inspire confidence. Overall, I recommend different kinds of canteens, because in some cases you want lightweight plastic, and in some you want a container you can boil water and cook things in.
Why do people hate aluminum? It's cheap and it's lasted my whole life.
@@griff8858 because aluminium is toxic
@@griff8858 There's lots of reasons people like Aluminium, it's lightweight, relatively durable, and a value option compared to Titanium.
Unfortunately Aluminium doesn't like the human body as much as we like it, so while it's not as toxic as lead and other heavy metals it's still not a good idea to be boiling water in it, Titanium and Stainless Steel is much better for food grade cookwear and storage.
@@griff8858it melts easily!
This was a great video Lilly...keep up the awesome work...love seeing a beautiful woman love the outdoors and survival as you do....My wife and I learn quite a bit from you even though I have a survival background I still learn new things...We appreciate what you do and for promoting the fact that women can enjoy the outdoors as much as anyone else....
I gave up Netflix for your channel lol I've been literally binge watching your videos! Itll be sad when I run out but by then I'll be ready to do some 2-3 day solo bushcraft trips. Thank goodness I can get a lady's expertise on the outdoors when all I've had is a man's. When I am done buying all my gear and finally make a video, I'm so doing it with one of your shirts on simply because you are my primary leaning and teaching source! Bless your soul and keep up the amazing work you do, I'm truly inspired!
Ryan
Why would you need a woman’s expertise as well?
Awesome information as always Lilly, thank you so much!
Awesome job Lilly, look forward to seeing your next video.
Great video, as always, Lilly. Thanks for sharing.
I actually own the plastic US canteen at the Army Surplus In Spokane it is pretty great i'd also recommend if you have a belt you can buy a cover and put it on the belt.
Thank You Lilly! I appreciate how thorough this video is, and add that water hoses are less than ideal in winter weather. This year I found out plastic alcoholic beverage containers add little mass and pack ideally, but certain caps can crack, and drain your water supply) I've been an active outdoors person for a few decades (weekend warrior ski touring, biking, hiking, climbing, helping friends carry meat, etc.), but I just started focusing on survival techniques and prep while starting to volunteer as a Search And Rescue Technician two years ago. I've been doing a lot of learning and trying new gear lately and every time I think I have the best strategy, I learn something new that's easier to carry and I'm starting all over again. I don't yet have a metal water bottle, and the self contained wood fire utility of the one time Ti canteen investment is very attractive. Does the Keith lid seem to be robustly attached if subjected to lots of vibration - as in strapped to a mountain bike? I often need to carry an alcohol stove. Does anybody have experience with GI style cook pots on top of cat food alcohol stoves?
Great video Lilly. Thanks. Keep them coming.
Great show
I’m glad you still broadcast. It would be an honor to camp with you and a learning experience.
Thanks for all the great information. I’ve learned so much from your videos. Truly appreciate your channel !!
always enjoy your videos! thanks and please keep making them. you rock!
Great vid. Thanks. Looks like spring is slow showing up there. Finally getting warm here.
Very good review!! I have an old GI s/s canteen/cup (carried it in SE Asia almost 50 years ago). Still serves me well. Great video!! I could listen to you talk all day!!
Excellent description of what is available. That AND pros and cons, and the valuable opinion of one of the best... Survival Lilly! Thanks Lilly.
I'm really happy to see how you do the vids and you help us by making them to we the people can make a choice to the better product,thanks Lilly,I do appreciate it.
Great video. Thank you Lilly. You have helped me a lot.
Gee thanks !,I was about to get another system, good timing. Have a good day Lilly☺
Totally agree on water bladders. Those are for runners so far as I am concerned. I carry a GSI Outdoors Halulite Tea Kettle instead of a canteen cup and Nalgene Water Bottles with the OTF lids. Nearly as convenient as the tube on a bladder. In my mind, the kettle provides storage for many items when not in use (think, fire kit) heats water rapidly and is also useful for cooking many foods. If only I could find a coffee percolator this useful. Until then, pour through filters kit will do for my coffee addiction.
Really helpful. I appreciate your telling us about the ease of cleaning afforded by the out- v in-lip. And the range of products you reviewed. Also great to hear from a woman! Not all of us are gigantic men who can carry heavy weight around! Thank you!
Great video Lilly! Just a quick thing, molybdenum is added to steel to make it harder and more wear resistant. Chromium is alloyed with steels to make it corrosion resisting. You may also hear the term Chrome-Molly which is a steel containing both Molybdenum and Chromium which is an alloy that is very tough but also corrosion resistant.
Great video. I started out with the GI canteen. Over the years I moved up to the titanium canteen with titanium canteen cups and one plastic see through canteen bottle. Also have the military canteen cup shaped stove and lid. Again good job on the information from a ladies point of view. Cheers
304 is excellent stainless. It won't corrode. I used press hear exchanger plates out of it. And the conductive fluid they used to cool water inside the plates is extremely corrosive. To be sure NO steel is that PROOF. However, that is not a factor right because we dont store our canteens with water in them right? We also don't leave them laying around right? Stainless is cheap and durable and light enough for a small object.
Thank you Lilly. I definitely value your opinion and experience!!
Thank you for all of the videos! I'm learning a lot and starting on my bushcraft/primitive lifestyle. (I've been living outdoors for over 2 years now)
thank you so much for doing this review video , i was in a long search for the Best canteen and after watching this i have decided to go with the Kieth set you recommended, Thank you Lilly i enjoy all your videos and learning more an more everyday from you and the other channels you shout out too.
Been watching your content since under 10k subs glad to see your channel grow! Thanks for all the quality content.
Fantastic overview of the different canteens and cups available. We have several different ones also, as we have found all of ours in either thrift shops or online. We have a cup for each person in our family, but we don't have canteens for each person, so we have to carry a separate water bottle. We haven't had any issues with that as of yet. I really like the Keith titanium canteen and cup set, but man the price! I do see the value in it, especially since it has the lids and also has loops on both the lid for the canteen and the lid to the cup. :) Thanks again for such a great overview! Love it, Lilly!
Thank you for all this information! You are pretty awesome and i love your videos!
This is a very well researched video, and your vast experience is evident. Thank you. Sehr gut!
This is so awesome, I can't believe you put this out just as I'm buying bottles for the woods. Perfect timing, thanks!
Thanks for showing us. Good overview of container options. Take care.
Thanks for sharing Lilly!
For me its the UK military 58 pattern webbing bottle with plastic cup on top (which can be replaced by the metal crusader kidney shape cup); carried one of these in the army no problems, and as long as they are original MOD bottles they are bomb proof; we used to fill one up and play rugby with it, you can fill it up and throw it at anything and an original bottle will not break or leak.
In Arizona- I refer to use a wide mouth stainless steal canteen,cup and lid, plus a second plastic canteen. I can heat water with the steel, once it cools put it in the plastic 1
Thank you for a great review with great food for thought. I use USGI plastic canteens with ss cups with regular backpacking. I use the Stanley 32oz canteen that is half ss (bottom half & cookable) & a plastic top (makes a cup when turned upside down) innmy GHB.
Now you have me rethinking things.
Great review, thank-you very much.
Great, informative video! Thanks! Without a doubt, you can't go wrong with the Keith Titanium Canteen kit. It is one of the very few pieces of equipment that I will not debate whether or not to take.
Very helpful. Lots of choices and its nice to know what the pluses and minuses are of each one. Excellent video.
Your recommendations really make sense. Many thanks. I chose the Pathfinder Canteen Kit. Am really happy with it and my plastic canteen!
Great video Lilly, absolutely loved it. This video is great for bushcrafters who can make fires to boil water. But if you are like me, who live and camp in areas where wildfires are common you will have to find alternate way to clean your water. I live in Southern California and during some years when we and our neighboring states like Nevada and Arizona are in a drought. you are not allowed to have campfires. Here we rely on filters and chemical water treatments.
As for water bladders. There is a defiant "you get what you pay for" aspect to them. I have been using them for year and I enjoy them. I always look for quick disconnects for the hoses to the bag, and I always add a second quick disconnect with shutoff for the bite valve. Then I ad a quick disconnect fitting to the water filter ( pump or gravity feed) to make refilling my bladder without taking it out of my backpack. Also all the makes cleaning easy. Just drop everything in a sink filled with a few inches ( 10 cm) of hot soapy water and rinse. Assuming one only uses water in the bladder.
Great vid on this subject. I went to mostly metal bottles even in my standard around town treks. Thanks for putting all the time and effort into this. I know you had to be cold because you weren't acting it you were living it. Take Care and Stay Safe.
Nice! great review and some things I would not have thought of. thanks!
Lilly, very nice video✔✔☺ I am not sure if you are aware, but there's another option using your existing gear. The Nalgene Oasis bottle is designed to hold boiling hot water. So when paired with the USGI canteen cup, water can be boiled in the cup and stored in the canteen. Thus, one gets a super robust, lightweight and cost effective set-up with some time tested and readily available gear!☺☺☺
@@nrgltwrkr2225 Thanks. Just wanted to let you know that the Nalgene canteen is the same dimensions as the USGI, thus the canteen cup and stove will all nest and fit in the USGI canteen pouch or equivalent. Good luck 🤞😃
@@BingWatcher Great to know! Thanks again. :-)
As far as a canteen and cup. I love the G.I. plastic canteen and stainless steel canteen cup. Reason is I was an Infantryman in the US Army once upon a time. This combination has been fantastic since WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam for all soldiers. Before Vietnam the US Army has used aluminum or stainless steel canteens. Many have of the metal ones did survive to be issued to soldiers later. The plastic canteen and stainless steel cup I used in my time of service. I still kept my old Army set in my emergency kit in my truck where ever I go. I thank the US Army for keeping my favorite equipment even though I "acquired" it from them. Perfect for making Ramen noodles, coffee, tea, hot chocolate, and heating up chili and hot dogs etc.
Good video!
Havent seen the whole thing but i know this is gonna be good
Love my titanium canteen set! Totally agree with you, it’s worth the money! Another great video! Thanks Lilly!
Good info thank you for your time and consideration for water canteens.
Thanks for the review. I have two Nalgene plastic and two SRO 32 oz and one 64 oz Stainless I also have their Canteen and cup set. I also have two US Army canteens and cups one plastic and one metal. Most of the time I carry the two 32 oz SRO bottles and cups.
Very useful video. You explain the pros and cons across various cost ranges.
Also,FWIW, I like retainer cords for the canteen cap. That is one of the few shortcomings of the keith.
Awesome video as always and information on the canteens. BE SAFE AND BE THE BEST.
Great little review and love your different perspective on the canteens. Subscribed now so will look at some more of your videos thank you and keep up the great work.
Not only informative but always entertaining to watch! Great info as always Lilly - please visit Vancouver, B.C. Canada soon!!
Very good review. 💛
I'm a big Nalgene fan.
1. Metal. 2.Big mouth 3.Matching cup 4. Good screw cap design 5. Reasonable price 6. Good quality production
Thanks for the informative video and introducing the Keith Titanium canteen which I am now interested to get.
Nice review Lilly. Thanks for sharing your opinion.
Daniel
The first water bottle is my personal favorite only reason is I went to wish it's a site that you can get good gear from and I got that water bottle on the first one and I also started scrolling down and I found this as well potpan outdoor set lightweight I put that water bottle in and it works tremendously it all combined into one and it's cheaper than the $150 one I've noticed I've been a long time screwdriver I enjoy watching your videos thank you for all the information that you have provided to me
I like the old stand by olive drab green GI canteen as a veteran I’m used to the reliability of the one. Like the titanium but too expensive.
I love water bladers for the quick access to water when I'm biking or hiking but it's so true that everything tastes of plastic and they are a pain to clean. I store mine in the freezer to prevent weird moisture growth in the tube.
Great video Lilly. I have to say, i agree. I have had many many water containers over the years. I used to love my Nalgene bottles, and still do for some tasks. Military canteens, plastic and steel, but recently i broke the bank and bought a Keith Titanium Canteen Mess Kit, and im in love with it. I do keep a 40 oz double wall insulated Hydro Flask with me as well. I know it weighs a little more, but i love to boil some water in the titanium cup, fill the canteen, attache some paracord to the ring on the lid, and drop the canteen back into the stream or river to cool, then transfer the now cool water into my Hydro Flask. My Hydro Flask keeps it cool for drinking, which to me is super important. Nothing like a cold drink of water to quench your thirst when out in the bush. But yeah i find the Keith Titanium Canteen, though expensive, if you can afford it, an indispensable part of my kit. The lid works great also. Good choice. I do recommend a nice 32 oz - 40 oz Hydro Flask water bottle to accompany it though.
Great video as usual Lilly, my preference is the crusader set. Water bottle, cup. cooker all in one small unit.
Thanks for the review..Thanks for sharing
I actually purchased the Nalgene stainless steel 38 oz bottle after watching some of your past videos and I have to say that it is my favorite. It is a bit bit heavy, but it is a work horse when it comes to boiling water.
Hi Lily! I used to have plastic smell and taste issues from the canteens I was issued from CIF. Easy way to get it out is 5 ml of chlorine bleach and fill it up with hot water. Let it sit, shake it, and pour it out. Should take care of it
To clean metal water bottles with narrow necks, fill with near-boiling water and add 1 or 2 denture cleaning tablets. Then rinse out well.
Clean the inside of the plastic water bladder with vodka. It will kill the germs. :)
Hell yeah
Remember to rinse unless you're russian
@@krek420 i used 10% spirit vinegar, it taks also damp smell, as well as killing all bacteria and viruses.
Thank you Lilly. My bag has the stainless steel klean kanteen and a nalgene 32 wide mouth. Also a clear nalgene allows you to do some SODIS purification. Got a stainless steel cup for boiling
I've had the titanium one for a few years now, it''s definitely a worthwhile purchase.
Tough, lightweight, and a good design.
How do you find the cleanliness of the interior fold around the inside of the canteen? Does it get festering and hard to clean? Also have you seen anyone crack the canteen around the bend/fold around the middle of the canteen? I’ve heard that the fold around any canteen including stainless steel canteens are its weakest point?
best cleaning tip half a teaspoon of bicarbonate of soda in half a canteen/bottle of warm water when the fizzing has calmed down you can screw on lid and give your best cocktail bar man impression (vigorous shaking) for a good 30 seconds or so then remove lid allow to stand for 10 minutes or so then rinse thoroughly with cold water and leave to drain, if you've got a bottle brush so much the better 🤘
This video has a lot of great information the time and effort is appreciated! thank you !!
The one I prefer the most is the WWII US Army stainless steel canteen, similar to the one you showed, but made in the early 1940's.
Thanks for the video and info.
Great video I find the combination 1 bottle (plastic or stainless) and one canteen works good for me though on longer treks I do take a 3 liter bladder I link to have tea at night and coffee in the morning. Cheers and thank you.
Thanks so much for the info!!!
Cool things to think about, I know many hikers like disposable water bottles, but for more long term camping I can see how something more heavy duty would work better.
When i am at work i use a plastic Nalgene bottle with stainless steel nesting cup. When i am walking in the mountains or woods i use either the M-1910 stainless steel replica canteen set. Or another surplus canteen the Yugoslavian kit or the VDV paratroop canteen set. I am not scared of aluminium we have been using it in the army for 100+ years before the plastic bottle with nesting cup (aluminium) came. I only use stainless steel a lot when it needs to be able to take punishment.
Hello. I prefer steel canteens that have very wide mouths. They are easier to clean, and can be packed with supplies. With a stainless cup that nests on it completes a great kit.
Great info , the stainless one should be good for me.
Thanks for the info!
I have the Nalgene Oasis canteen and Nalgene Stainless Steel bottle, and I absolutely love them. Great products. I said I'd NEVER buy a titanium canteen... and then I bought a Keith Titanium Canteen kit (with cup). I'm totally sold on the Keith Titanium kit setup, it's now my #1 go-to system for carrying and boiling water.
I used to use and love a lot of canteens but have switched over to Smart water bottles for weight and volume considerations. If I need to boil ( I usually use a filter) then I can with my titanium or steel cup/pot. Having said all that though, I love the Keith products and will likely pick up one of those canteen sets in the future. Thanks for the reviews!
Opaque canteens and water bladders will have less tendency to get moldy. The sunlight encourages the growth of some molds. I like carrying one stainless steel water bottle, and one very large Smart Water bottle. TRhe Smart Water bottles have a seamless inside that cleans easily, and they cost almost nothing. They're throw-aways. Toss them, when they get cruddy.
Fantastic video, you clearly have a great understanding of physical materials and professional design elements. I love the over abundance of information. Thank you.
The titanium canteen full of water vs the AL canteen filled with water will weigh a very small fraction of 1% difference because almost all the weight is from the water. If you lifted both canteens both full of water (assuming they hold the same amount) you probably couldn't tell the difference. Is that really worth over $100 difference? I like your videos.......
Dr. Don Science , I think what’s important to note here is that the Ti version has a wider mouth and the cup has a lid. Not making it worth so much $ but that’s the nature of Titanium, it’s expensive.
Dr. Don Science maybe it would be a good idea to study up on the effects of aluminum and the relationship to dimentia and other health problems.
Never proven Chuck. It doesn't mean that you eat aluminium it will get in your blood and will lead to the disease. Besides, a lot of meals are wrapped in aluminium foil. No one complains about that.
Drinking water from an AL canteen will not harm you. The only way AL can leach into a food or liquid substance is if it's highly acidic such as cooking tomatoes in an AL pot. Even tomatoes cause little to no leaching because it's really not that acidic. People who accumulate AL do so by directly ingesting it through antacids and pharmaceuticals which is common in modern society. If you have a prescription there's a good chance it contains AL and you will be ingesting it every day. There are millions of beer/soda beverages consumed every day from AL cans. Most cookware is an AL alloy. AL is one of the most abundant elements and is everywhere. And as a side note, most titanium is really a titanium alloy which can contain combinations of magnesium, nickel, vanadium and AL. The titanium pins and staples that are used surgically contain about 6% AL...... AND I never even said that I favored AL canteens - I prefer stainless steel. In fact I just purchased another 40 oz Klean Kanteen. Nothing beats drinking clean filtered water out of a SS canteen. For long term storage I use 1 small drop Lugol's iodine.....
Dr. Don Science I'll aree on the acidic part. But when the aluminum is broken down in a fire, almost to the point of melting, it gets parts released into the water. That's why people quit bying aluminum pans. Some still buy an aluminum allow with Teflon coating, alluminum has also been linked to dementia and cancer. So, why take the chance. I to have the SS. And am going to do the research on the titanium.
Hi Lilly. That's a pretty good review. Thank you.
The first canteen, including the aluminum cup, is the one the danish armed forces use. The cup is made for small spiritburners, not for a full log fire.
I carry a klean kanteen 2L. When I find a pot that nests to it snugly, I will have my perfect carry.
I would never use anything other than single wall stainless steel. Like Doc Don Science says, the weight savings of other materials is negligible next to the weight of the water.
The best way I know of the clean out a funky water bottle or bladder is hot (not boiling) water and a denture cleaning tablet. Clean the drink tube by squeezing water through it. Just rinse well afterward. Bladders do have an advantage of being able to roll up and stuff them into an EDC. Mine has a hydrapak seeker 2L and a katadyn befree filter. When paired with the KK I can collect, filter, and boil 2L at a time.